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00:00 Bunnyh can't access it until after a few hours though
00:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.545 BTC [+]
00:00 mod6 herbi: thanks for the heads up.
00:01 herbijudlestoids Bunnyh: i just checked my debug.log which goes back to the 9th of this month...none of those hashes are in there
00:01 herbijudlestoids looks like theyre older than what i got
00:01 Bunnyh i mined them on the 2nd
00:02 Bunnyh and with eloipool actually, so i guess debug.log wouldn't have anything interesting anyway
00:02 mircea_popescu sounds like the code change might have been a little buggy ?
00:02 herbijudlestoids wait, did you mine them solo or in pool?
00:02 mircea_popescu perhaps it allows you to declare 50 btc new blocks if you wish, even if they shoulkd be 512 ?
00:02 Vexual lol
00:02 herbijudlestoids or personal pool?
00:02 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids makes no diff really, cause the block was the block
00:03 Bunnyh herbijudlestoids: solo pool, i had too much hashpower to use altcoind directly
00:03 Vexual did you get any 512 blocks like that?
00:03 Bunnyh yes, hundreds
00:03 Bunnyh just those three 50 ATC blocks randomly
00:03 Vexual why you telling people thne?
00:04 herbijudlestoids it would still be good to see a log of the altcoind encountering those blocks and see what its saying
00:04 ThickAsThieves we didnt have the source code on the 2nd tho
00:04 ThickAsThieves did we?
00:04 mircea_popescu pankkake ^ you ever heard of shit like that ?
00:04 herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: no
00:04 Bunnyh Vexual: huh? i'm just interested in how/why that could happen
00:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-]
00:06 Vexual are you mining bc on the same rig?
00:06 MisterE too much hashpower is a good problem to have
00:07 Bunnyh Vexual: sure, i just thought i'd point those asics to a new coin for a night, it's not like that "too much hashpower" really makes much btc nowadays
00:07 herbijudlestoids weird as well because those 50 blocks are surrounded by 512 blocks
00:07 ThickAsThieves so it thought it was bitcoin not altcoin somehow
00:08 herbijudlestoids not like its 50, 50, 50...its 512, 50, 512, 512, ... 50, 512...
00:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4800055 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}
00:08 ThickAsThieves so how do we do the reverse is the question
00:08 Bunnyh "thought it was bitcoin" ? i have no idea what that could mean
00:09 ThickAsThieves mine 512btc block
00:09 Bunnyh they were just miners pointed to a pool that was pointed to altcoind
00:09 Vexual someone would notic 512 bc blocks
00:09 ThickAsThieves so
00:09 MisterE 512 bc is a lot
00:09 ThickAsThieves yep
00:09 ThickAsThieves so is 5000btc
00:09 ThickAsThieves or 1m
00:09 Vexual so mr forbes would say the whole think is borked
00:10 MisterE there's a thousand pundits waiting to say the whole thing is b0rked
00:10 ThickAsThieves i knew ATC would be disruptive!
00:10 MisterE Poor Robert Bork
00:10 MisterE last niminee to try to be honest
00:10 MisterE nominee*
00:10 ThickAsThieves can nodes somehow affect this?
00:11 ThickAsThieves when/where is the block reward determined?
00:11 Bunnyh can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes?
00:11 Vexual what code are you running bunny?
00:11 Bunnyh that was with the initial release of altcoind + latest eloipool
00:11 MisterE I'll just follow the chat then jump on the sploit when you guys figure it out OK :p
00:12 herbijudlestoids im looking at ../src/main.cpp:1076
00:13 herbijudlestoids hang on ill pull it up
00:13 herbijudlestoids https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1076
00:13 herbijudlestoids is that the line that determines the block reward?
00:14 Bunnyh looks familiar, i've had to check the same function with other coins to understand some custom implementations
00:14 Evolyn can someone tell me whats happening with havelock? the site is... not accessable @.~
00:15 herbijudlestoids Bunnyh: so for some reason when that function was called, it COIN must have = 0.097...
00:15 agorecki What's the reward for mining a block in terms of fees? It's .2 bitcoin, isn't it?
00:15 ThickAsThieves https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2109
00:16 ThickAsThieves dunno if that is of interest
00:16 ThickAsThieves just searching for 50s
00:16 ThickAsThieves ...
00:16 ThickAsThieves that's the only one
00:17 herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: that looks like an error code tho
00:17 Vexual get you 0.01 back tat
00:17 mircea_popescu <Bunnyh> can't you generate less than the allowed block reward + fees in btc too? or would that be rejected by other nodes? << you can
00:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00531907 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2}
00:18 mircea_popescu Evolyn nobody said anything so far.
00:18 mircea_popescu you can prolly ask toffoo
00:18 mircea_popescu oops i mean topace
00:18 Bunnyh so the bug could very well be in eloipool or my eloipool config
00:18 ThickAsThieves evolyn, its probly cloudflare
00:18 Bunnyh it was just a continuous run and those 50 ATC blocks happened randomly, spaced with dozens of normal blocks
00:18 ThickAsThieves loads fine for me
00:19 ThickAsThieves give it 5min
00:19 Evolyn sometimes the site loads, yes, but having trouble most of time, and cloudflare shows me offline version all time
00:19 ThickAsThieves there's something buggy in the code i think
00:19 ThickAsThieves where it retries a bunch
00:20 ThickAsThieves and then triggers CF
00:20 ThickAsThieves happens to me a lot when pushing shares to people
00:20 MisterE it's probably being ddosed
00:20 Bunnyh Luke-Jr: can you think of any reason why eloipool would suddenly generate a 50 coin block reward instead of the actual amount that should be generated?
00:20 Bunnyh 50 is the initial btc reward and eloipool is designed for btc, so wouldn't be too surprising...
00:21 MisterE yea 50 per block right?
00:21 ThickAsThieves might wanna point out we arent talkin bout btc to luke
00:21 MisterE and to me :p
00:22 cs1980 taking about altcoin?
00:22 ThickAsThieves yes
00:22 Bunnyh Luke-Jr: the correct reward would be 512 coins in this case, and eloipool mostly generated blocks with that amount
00:23 Luke-Jr I can.
00:24 ThickAsThieves care to share?
00:28 herbijudlestoids i got a present for yall
00:28 herbijudlestoids http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xrtb6OK8t2c/TTB3SJN1AuI/AAAAAAAABas/VoiZoColSOA/s640/Jeff-Goldblum-jeff-goldblum-13817997-357-500.jpg
00:28 ThickAsThieves jurov when comes the ATC Coinroll?
00:28 MisterE dammit man, I see images inline
00:29 MisterE buy a Tesla: What happens when a Tesla Model S gets rear ended? http://t.co/GgEaFTKKdZ
00:30 ThickAsThieves what is that a Kia?
00:30 herbijudlestoids MisterE: never admit to geeks you see your images inline. http://wikka.moreawesomethanyou.com/images/e/e1/GoatseOA.jpg
00:30 MisterE fucker!
00:31 MisterE it's ok I'm numb to goatse
00:32 Bunnyh i wouldn't even want to imagine what most irc channels look like with inline images ...
00:32 Luke-Jr ThickAsThieves: I cared to share the Eloipool code in the first place, and it seems very few care to contribute back their changes, so.. not especially inclined to help with it tbh.
00:32 MisterE its funny when I joined this channel and my gf sees me chat from her desk behind suddenly there are naked pics in chat and she comes over
00:33 KRS-One lol MisterE
00:33 ThickAsThieves Luke-Jr I never even heard of the thing
00:33 ThickAsThieves just wondering
00:34 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: give us a clue and we might be keen to contribute a patch? ;)
00:34 Luke-Jr subsidy = 5000000000 >> (height // 210000)
00:35 herbijudlestoids is that in eloipool or in altcoind code? looks like the line below the line i pasted before
00:35 Luke-Jr used to fabricate block templates before bitcoind has the next block
00:35 Luke-Jr Eloipool
00:35 Luke-Jr and yes, it looks similar because it does the same thing :P
00:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00087297 = 4.3212 BTC [+]
00:37 ThickAsThieves so it was caused by eloipool not altcoind
00:37 Vexual phew
00:38 Bunnyh thanks, mystery solved
00:38 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: can we help with a patch? or its just a discrepancy for altcoins?
00:38 Bunnyh that could be made configurable but then users would have to input the reward algorithm, which might be a bit convoluted with some coins
00:39 ThickAsThieves herb i think it's an incompatibility
00:39 ThickAsThieves how is eloipool supposed to know what to predict if it isnt predictable
00:39 Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: a patch would be handy
00:40 Luke-Jr I'd think a simple config var with a lambda type would work
00:40 Luke-Jr and complex altcoins could always define a full function in the config if they had to :p
00:41 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: i think im on your github, but not 100% sure. do you mind pulling it up? file/line number?
00:41 mircea_popescu o that's it then
00:42 Bunnyh herbijudlestoids: merklemaker.py line 160
00:42 Luke-Jr Eloipool is Gitorious-only FWIW
00:42 Luke-Jr and Bunnyh beat me to it
00:43 mircea_popescu might be an idea to grep the code for any 5000000000
00:43 mircea_popescu just to be on the safe side
00:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.00531478 = 0.6537 BTC [-] {7}
00:43 herbijudlestoids https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/eloipool/source/8ceb124e5e7f67e58427365d20f90def7da0083e:merklemaker.py#L160
00:43 mircea_popescu because if there's a config and then down the line this happens again in some other point people will curse.
00:43 ozbot merklemaker.py in bitcoin/eloipool:master - Gitorious
00:43 Bunnyh no other hits for 5000000000
00:44 mircea_popescu cool then.
00:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53599999 BTC [+]
00:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00087297 = 4.4521 BTC [+]
00:53 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: i like to think that i dont suck at python, but iv never used lambda functions before
00:54 ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5134983#msg5134983
00:54 ozbot ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
00:55 mircea_popescu 2fa huh.
01:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087297 = 3.4919 BTC [+]
01:08 Duffer1 pankakke around?
01:09 Duffer1 ;;later tell pankakke for your thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg5133227#msg5133227
01:09 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:11 mircea_popescu Duffer1 interesting that the activeminer crowd woudl confuse bitfury chips for bfl chips
01:12 Duffer1 ken claimed bfl chips, those that knew better pointed it out right away that the pic is bitfury
01:12 Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: abc = lambda(a, b): a + b
01:12 Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: is the same as
01:12 Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: def abc(a, b): return a + b
01:12 Luke-Jr except abc might be some.object.property instead of just a word
01:12 Duffer1 er probably bitfury
01:12 mircea_popescu it's bitfury
01:12 mircea_popescu not that many actual chips around. not yet anyway.
01:13 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: why lambda and not int? dont want to hassle you about stupid shit so feel free to ignore
01:13 Duffer1 it's interesting that people still believe anything ken says
01:13 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: let me finish this patch im attempting, if it sucks you can tell me what i did wrong :D
01:13 Bugpowder mircea_popescu: Do I need to resend my public key to MPEx to use my account? I keep getting unrecognized sig responses.
01:13 mircea_popescu internet contrarianism.
01:13 Duffer1 down is up here
01:14 mircea_popescu Bugpowder did you after oct ?
01:14 Bugpowder I don't think so
01:14 mircea_popescu then yes.
01:14 Bugpowder OH
01:14 Bugpowder OK
01:15 benkay (defun higher-order-function-for-passing (thinger) (inc thinger))
01:15 Bugpowder I love how I can spent an hour trying to fix gpg only to discover this fact.
01:15 Bugpowder sending..
01:15 Duffer1 I don't see the reason to lie about who's chip it is though, what am I missing?
01:16 Duffer1 he's an idiot, don't overthink it OR is there another reason...
01:16 mircea_popescu Duffer1 i dun see another reason
01:16 mircea_popescu random internet person likes to get into arguments.
01:16 mircea_popescu no downside, if he's proven wrong it's yet another random internet guy that's wrong.
01:17 mircea_popescu perhaps some upside, he's gonna be an internet expert if it randomly happens he' sright.
01:17 Bugpowder I hope this works...
01:17 Duffer1 he might be right in some rick and morty universe where 1+1=3...
01:17 mircea_popescu "it's 2014 and that picture quality doesn't even exist anymore" i liked that part.
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087066 = 4.7886 BTC [-]
01:17 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: ok i emailed to the email address in your headers.
01:18 Luke-Jr herbijudlestoids: int cannot do what lambda does :P
01:18 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: no i understand the basics of lambda, what i was asking is why use it in this case. i emailed you a thing, if its wrong pls feel free to reply and let me know
01:19 herbijudlestoids but to me it seems like you can just pull those hardcoded ints out into the config file and let the use modify?
01:19 mircea_popescu he doesn't know for a fact it will be always ints.
01:20 Luke-Jr it could be an exponential degrade every block, for example
01:20 Luke-Jr or the subsidy could grow
01:21 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: ill make you a deal, if you think my patch is correct for all cases where its int, then i will spend some time on the weekend and try to understand the lambda business
01:22 herbijudlestoids i guess not really a "deal"
01:22 mircea_popescu lol
01:22 mircea_popescu pledge ?
01:22 herbijudlestoids yea i pledge on mircea_popescus pants
01:23 mircea_popescu best put some on then
01:23 Luke-Jr I wouldn't call it correct.
01:23 Luke-Jr I would argue that CoinDecimals*CoinBlockReward is wrong
01:23 Luke-Jr and that software should only ever work in the base unit
01:24 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids remove this "decimals" nonsense from your head right now.
01:24 mircea_popescu all bitcoin amounts are simply satoshi ints.
01:24 mircea_popescu there's no fractions in crypto.
01:24 benkay learning the lambda business is a good idea anyways herbijudlestoids
01:25 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: ok i just took that example from the altcoind code where they have a constant COIN = 100000000 and constant CENT = 10000000
01:25 mircea_popescu wait thats not right
01:26 mircea_popescu ;;calc 100000000 / 10000000
01:26 gribble 10
01:26 mircea_popescu that's a dent.
01:26 herbijudlestoids static const int64 COIN = 100000000;
01:26 herbijudlestoids static const int64 CENT = 1000000;
01:26 mircea_popescu a ok.
01:27 herbijudlestoids sorry i might have the wrong number of 0s, didnt use CENT in my code in the end
01:27 herbijudlestoids Luke-Jr: so aside from that single multiplication issue, its ok?
01:27 Luke-Jr looks ok
01:27 benkay engineering can never be a copy/paste affair.
01:27 herbijudlestoids alright, i am asking to make sure im on the right track, cos i dont wanna go off and do XYZ and come back to you and burn your eyes out
01:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00086801 = 24.7817 BTC [-] {2}
01:28 Bugpowder mircea_popescu: sent the right pub key to office, I hope
01:28 herbijudlestoids benkay: i didnt say i copied it :)
01:28 herbijudlestoids but i was trying to keep the python code to look similar to what i could see in the altcoind code
01:28 herbijudlestoids and i figured there must be some convention for using this COIN
01:29 herbijudlestoids ok, well Luke-Jr i pantspledge to you that i will look unto the lambda business and try to make a useful patch, so that you dont feel like all of us people in the community are cunts who never contrib (altho iv never used eloipool)
01:30 Luke-Jr k
01:33 mircea_popescu lmao
01:33 mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu
01:33 gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
01:33 mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:06f4e6d6f3f39f655619c7c5064ab96dcfcb77e103c7dedbccf58e2c
01:33 gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
01:33 mircea_popescu ;;rate herbijudlestoids 1 Noob.
01:33 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user herbijudlestoids has been recorded.
01:34 mircea_popescu Bugpowder should be ok
01:34 herbijudlestoids thx mircea_popescu
01:35 herbijudlestoids i have been waiting to do this for so long
01:35 herbijudlestoids ;;rate BingoBoingo sexysosexy
01:35 gribble Error: 'sexysosexy' is not a valid integer.
01:35 herbijudlestoids ;;rate BingoBoingo 10 sexysosexy
01:35 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
01:35 Bugpowder YES
01:35 herbijudlestoids amirite?
01:36 herbijudlestoids imrite
01:36 Bugpowder if only I had gotten this to work a few months ago
01:36 Bugpowder I was gonna by calls at 100
01:36 Bugpowder hey
01:36 Bugpowder how are bitcoin transfers working right now?
01:36 Bugpowder Are deposits able to come in or are the getting malled?
01:37 mircea_popescu ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 x-bt.com etc
01:37 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Apocalyptic has been recorded.
01:37 mircea_popescu Bugpowder what's malled ?!
01:38 Bugpowder like transactions on the network. do they work right now? They do right? what % is getting mutated?
01:38 mircea_popescu what difference does it make ?!
01:38 mircea_popescu i have no idea %s, i dunno anyone counted.
01:38 mircea_popescu ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 ATC
01:38 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
01:38 Bugpowder dunno. I just don't want to send a deposit and have it go to limbo
01:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087362 = 32.2366 BTC [+] {2}
01:40 mircea_popescu anyway, that's it for me. take care all.
01:40 Vexual anyone blacklisting wonky nodes?
01:40 herbijudlestoids cya mp
01:40 herbijudlestoids time for a DNSBL of bitcoin nodes lol
01:45 Vexual bugpowder you can always send it again
01:45 Bugpowder sending a test deposit
01:46 herbijudlestoids http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xu4he/it_is_clear_that_silk_road_2_funds_were_stolen_by/
01:47 ozbot It is clear that Silk Road 2 funds were stolen by the operators : Bitcoin
01:51 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK2qjeL-lxc
01:51 ozbot My Milkshake - YouTube
01:53 herbijudlestoids Vexual: will you be my valentine?
01:54 Vexual if you get ukyo and burnside to spill the beans on the fbi
01:54 Vexual i mean sec
01:56 MisterE what herb, no honor among thieves? :)
01:56 MisterE well I guess hosting a site for drug dealing doesn't make you a thief
01:57 Vexual herbijerbi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPEM2RvpcLM
01:59 herbijudlestoids MisterE: i dunno im not posting it because i agree but because the discussion within is interesting
01:59 herbijudlestoids Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM&feature=youtu.be
02:00 MisterE Ahh ok
02:00 herbijudlestoids vex lovez teh dnb
02:02 Vexual this needs the ag dancing
02:02 Vexual even his tie looks like a police car
02:05 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSzpOUwiLkc
02:06 ozbot Nightcrawlers - Push The Feeling On - YouTube
02:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51635 = 1.5491 BTC [-] {2}
02:12 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZSj3FbdFa4
02:12 ozbot Daft Punk - Revolution 909 - YouTube
02:12 benkay what the fuck is wrong with you two
02:12 Vexual we're in love
02:13 Vexual deal with it
02:13 benkay -g
02:14 Vexual #Your search - -g - did not match any documents.
02:14 KRS-One whats wrong benkay
02:14 KRS-One Did you have something important to talk about?
02:15 KRS-One I'm here if so?
02:16 benkay it's horrible
02:18 benkay ?
02:18 herbijudlestoids benkay: its fucken valentines day, dont ruin our love
02:19 herbijudlestoids you will understand tomorrow when the rest of the world catches up
02:21 KRS-One http://i.imgur.com/GNqe8bp.jpg
02:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.514 BTC [-]
02:22 herbijudlestoids KRS-One: someone should go stand there with a sign saying "ONLY DUMBASSES PUT ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET"
02:23 herbijudlestoids "Y U SKIP DUE DILIGENCE"
02:23 Vexual id have a sign with this qr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhKRWGy7NQ
02:24 Vexual ylang ylang
02:24 Vexual but id put it on a post and get out of the snow
02:28 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uYs0gJD-LE
02:28 ozbot M.I.A. - "Bad Girls" (Official Video) - YouTube
02:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00087062 = 10.8392 BTC [-]
02:33 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLRfeUIeSeY
02:33 ozbot Peer Kusiv - Hoch-Tief (Video) - YouTube
02:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00087062 = 3.1342 BTC [-]
02:41 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD5phTXGN_0
02:41 ozbot Madonna - Beautiful Stranger - Official Video HD - YouTube
02:45 Vexual i heard mp lika madonna
02:46 herbijudlestoids http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
02:46 ozbot How a Web Design Goes Straight to Hell - The Oatmeal
02:46 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-xu8CcamT4 herbi
02:46 ozbot Hilltop hoods- dumb enough - YouTube
02:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 72 @ 0.06969012 = 5.0177 BTC [-] {5}
02:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08014598 = 4.0073 BTC [+] {9}
02:51 Vexual ok my openex tx finally got in, ima trade me some atc
02:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.0978 = 3.5208 BTC [+] {2}
02:53 Vexual how many confirms do they like?
02:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00087278 = 15.3967 BTC [+] {4}
02:54 benkay not until you give us more music videos
02:54 Vexual you changed your tune trudy
02:55 Vexual did you stockholm syndrome on my utube spam?
02:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00522077 = 3.6545 BTC [-] {11}
02:55 Vexual or are you being facetious
02:57 KRS-One http://i.imgur.com/d6NMXuZ.jpg
02:57 Vexual lol
02:59 herbijudlestoids they need all 6 confirms
03:00 herbijudlestoids or 5 i think
03:00 herbijudlestoids close to all
03:01 jurov all of them
03:01 Vexual all 6?
03:01 Vexual its a polular number
03:02 jurov by satoshi's decree
03:02 Vexual was it?
03:03 Vexual a decree or a passing fancy?
03:03 Vexual theres litttle difference with satishi
03:04 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr5SnlxIZCA
03:04 ozbot Hilltop Hoods - Rattling the Keys to the Kingdom - YouTube
03:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50916666 = 3.055 BTC [-] {2}
03:10 Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FucSOWdvc_M this ones for pankkake for no reason other than i remember his name
03:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00509978 = 0.561 BTC [-] {8}
03:15 BitcoinPropagand Is there any MP here?
03:16 Vexual asleep
03:16 herbijudlestoids yerrrrr friday!
03:16 herbijudlestoids WOOO
03:17 Vexual shit thats two bits of info yove given me herbi, friday, and valentins
03:18 herbijudlestoids http://www.securityweek.com/new-ie-10-zero-day-used-watering-hole-attack-targeting-us-military
03:19 herbijudlestoids even after all these years
03:19 Vexual ie10?
03:19 herbijudlestoids the hax basically boil down to tricking someone
03:20 Vexual what else you got ? how to trade atc on openex?
03:20 herbijudlestoids lollll go read todays logs for that, everyones got an opinion about how what i did was wrong
03:20 Vexual i was there and reading
03:20 herbijudlestoids so thats all i got :P
03:21 Vexual i wasn't going to offer the answer without a 1 atc prize
03:21 herbijudlestoids http://t.co/PlG3uejFhK
03:22 herbijudlestoids Vexual: i woulda given you 1 ATC just to represent our love
03:22 herbijudlestoids fuck ill still give ya one ;)
03:24 Vexual how many u got?
03:24 herbijudlestoids plenty, want one? happy to
03:25 herbijudlestoids gimme yer wallet addy
03:25 Vexual yeah i don't actuall love you
03:26 herbijudlestoids haha
03:26 herbijudlestoids FINE
03:26 Vexual youll need those atc soon, imma buy the whole board on openex
03:27 Vexual ace thing
03:28 herbijudlestoids low for now i got a steady stream coming in
03:28 Vexual what are you mining with?
03:28 herbijudlestoids about 1.3GH of ASIC
03:28 Vexual loooks like bongo brain is preparing for me
03:29 Vexual shit, im confirmed
03:30 Vexual what do you know of bbs trades?
03:31 Vexual nevermind
03:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]
03:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-]
03:33 herbijudlestoids sorry was in the other room, what are bbs trades?
03:34 Vexual bingoboingos' trades i meant, not a dial in board
03:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.089 = 0.712 BTC [-]
03:34 Vexual imagine if crypto currency was invented then
03:34 Vexual ok so what do i do herbi, i got btc
03:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00087453 = 15.829 BTC [+]
03:37 herbijudlestoids well you can either buy ATC at market for 499s or put a bid in above 300s
03:37 herbijudlestoids if you buy at market you get them now, if you put in a bid you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bid
03:38 herbijudlestoids 290s is the highest bid now, sorry
03:38 herbijudlestoids its a 2 way auction
03:40 herbijudlestoids nothing stopping you from putting in bids below 290 i guess but then you gotta wait for someone to sell into the bids above oyu
03:42 Vexual yeah m,y head say buy a fuckload at 125
03:43 herbijudlestoids Vexual: there is a lot of bids above 125
03:43 Vexual now, but earlier
03:44 herbijudlestoids i think theyre all in there to stop me from pinging the last price to 110 hehe
03:44 Vexual what good would that do?
03:45 herbijudlestoids nothing, but it foils bingos attempts to have it worth more than doge
03:45 herbijudlestoids hehe
03:46 Vexual arent you hding atc?
03:46 herbijudlestoids iam, but they dont hold any implicit value to me and it doesnt cost more than 0.00000001 ATC to ping a bid and set the last price ;)
03:47 herbijudlestoids Vexual: if he wouldnt let me narrow the spread then i had to convince him to narrow it lol
03:47 Vexual yeah this coin is unique
03:48 KRS-One http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9Ak1t09Ao#t=115
03:48 ozbot Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
03:48 herbijudlestoids i got the ASICs from a friend who didnt want them anymore, i was using them to mine a small amount of BTC a while ago but then the USB hub died and were just sitting around on my desk until ATC
03:49 herbijudlestoids just a bit of fun, i originally wanted to get some and sell them on -otc to establish WoT, but nobody wanted to buy the small amount i initially had and someone (i think benkay) mentioned sturles to me anyway as someone who helps newbies to get rated on WoT...so not really necessary for much anymore
03:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.09779999 = 0.489 BTC [+]
03:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00087013 = 14.8792 BTC [-]
04:01 Vexual herbijudlestoids: how doeth rounding on samll amounts work?
04:02 herbijudlestoids Vexual: not too sure
04:02 Vexual werent you buying microcents?
04:02 Vexual do you have a notebook?
04:02 herbijudlestoids selling
04:02 herbijudlestoids pinging bid = sell 0.0000001 ATC into the highest bid
04:03 Vexual did you get any btc?
04:03 herbijudlestoids what are you specifically asking?
04:03 herbijudlestoids yea some tiny amount, about 2000 satoshi worth
04:03 herbijudlestoids but bingo hit all of my bids when i put them in
04:06 Vexual well i just bought 200 at around pankkake's ask, so im good with that
04:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14987 @ 0.00087514 = 13.1157 BTC [+] {2}
04:09 Vexual 300?
04:11 Vexual see what happens tommorrow, ciao valentineses
04:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27347 @ 0.00087555 = 23.9437 BTC [+] {2}
04:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00087569 = 19.7906 BTC [+] {2}
04:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00293135 = 0.126 BTC [+] {3}
04:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91100 @ 0.00087658 = 79.8564 BTC [+] {5}
~ 21 minutes ~
04:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {2}
04:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39388 @ 0.00087663 = 34.5287 BTC [+] {3}
~ 26 minutes ~
05:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 489 @ 0.0029 = 1.4181 BTC [-] {2}
05:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0729999 = 0.146 BTC [+]
05:27 herbijudlestoids hullo BingoBoingo
05:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
05:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08500003 = 0.34 BTC [-]
05:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 585 @ 0.00024529 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {4}
05:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.07930345 = 7.058 BTC [-] {9}
05:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.05809769 = 11.6195 BTC [-] {11}
06:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06999996 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3}
06:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06001922 = 0.7802 BTC [-] {3}
06:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [-]
06:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00087317 = 23.3573 BTC [-] {2}
~ 30 minutes ~
06:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06999325 = 2.5198 BTC [+] {5}
06:58 kakobrekla yes herbijudlestoids
07:00 kakobrekla http://youtu.be/ob9Ak1t09Ao?t=1m50s
07:00 ozbot Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
07:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+]
~ 25 minutes ~
07:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.0008709 = 13.0635 BTC [-]
07:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00025996 = 2.5996 BTC [+] {5}
07:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2959 @ 0.00025999 = 0.7693 BTC [+] {4}
07:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.08478997 = 1.3566 BTC [-] {2}
07:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08478998 = 4.2395 BTC [+]
07:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08478998 = 0.3392 BTC [+]
07:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.0042976 = 0.1719 BTC [+]
07:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00025991 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {2}
07:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025999 = 0.26 BTC [+]
07:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08479499 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {2}
07:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+]
07:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
07:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0848 = 0.1696 BTC [+]
07:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0818 = 0.4908 BTC [+]
08:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0845 = 0.507 BTC [-]
08:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00086947 = 10.9553 BTC [-]
08:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.0008693 = 15.517 BTC [-]
08:22 Apocalyptic <sturles> Eh, no. Very few people expect that. The smartest investors ar buying BTC on MtGox now.
08:22 Apocalyptic derp of the day
08:23 jurov he meant it seriously?
08:23 dexX7 you think that's not smart?
08:24 punkman1 if you can't take withdraw fiat, what else you gonna do
08:24 punkman1 buy the cheap btc and hope mtgox gives you some
08:25 Apocalyptic yes jurov
08:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2909 @ 0.00024438 = 0.7109 BTC [-] {3}
08:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210003 = 0.4884 BTC [-]
08:41 ThickAsThieves https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ob9Ak1t09Ao#t=40
08:41 ozbot Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
08:41 herbijudlestoids revolution in venezuela, ukraine, turkey, thailand
08:41 herbijudlestoids and we talkin gox :P
08:43 ThickAsThieves Karpeles confrontation at 2m
08:43 ThickAsThieves cant fukn understand him tho
08:44 ThickAsThieves with his south afrifrenchican accent
08:44 ThickAsThieves dude seems starstruck
08:44 herbijudlestoids walkies
08:45 herbijudlestoids bbl
08:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123899 BTC [+]
09:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC {2}
09:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1239 = 0.2478 BTC [+]
09:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12405571 = 0.8684 BTC [+] {2}
09:03 jurov starstruck lmao
09:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1241 BTC [+]
09:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
09:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086978 = 11.0462 BTC [+] {2}
09:07 ThickAsThieves kakobrekla, idea for BitBet: in the Resolved column, make it so the winning side is colorized and/or have the winning answer displayed in the center of the bar
09:09 pankkake the block reward check in bitcoin allows you to have blocks with lower rewards. maybe someone mined with another coingen altcoin that had compatible parameters
09:09 ThickAsThieves it was sorted later in the log p
09:09 pankkake oh
09:10 ThickAsThieves twas cux a lukejr pool app
09:10 ThickAsThieves cuz*
09:10 ThickAsThieves herb is gonna fix it
09:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0008693 = 14.3 BTC [-]
09:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4765 @ 0.000869 = 4.1408 BTC [-] {2}
09:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21920 @ 0.00086992 = 19.0686 BTC [+]
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27762 @ 0.00087212 = 24.2118 BTC [+]
09:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37201 @ 0.00087383 = 32.5073 BTC [+] {2}
09:35 Apocalyptic http://i.imgur.com/k8dzmD8.png
09:41 ThickAsThieves Apocalyptic, is x-bt open for business? The site looks nice but I see no orders.
09:42 Apocalyptic it is,
09:42 Apocalyptic people seem to use it more as a wallet than an exchange though
09:43 ThickAsThieves how will you ever compete with OpenEx?!
09:43 Apocalyptic we're not on the same markets, i don't plan to include every new alt
09:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0835 = 0.501 BTC [-]
09:44 jurov x-bt needs to implement similar order matching :DDD
09:44 Apocalyptic heh
09:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2}
09:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 922 @ 0.00023038 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {4}
09:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07227 = 0.1445 BTC [+]
10:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0055 = 2.75 BTC
~ 19 minutes ~
10:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.000869 = 5.4313 BTC [-]
10:27 boolcrap whats an assbot
10:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5394 BTC [+]
10:32 asciilifeform boolcrap: tickers.
10:33 mircea_popescu boolcrap it's a bot. it does various useful things like
10:33 mircea_popescu !t m x.eur
10:33 assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00197733 / 0.00197826 / 0.00198459 (1550 shares, 3.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00175376 / 0.0019975 (21050 shares, 36.92 BTC)
10:33 asciilifeform and this.... 'amazing'
10:33 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
10:35 kakobrekla !h boolcrap
10:35 assbot List of commands:
10:35 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
10:35 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
10:35 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
10:35 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
10:35 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
10:35 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
10:35 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
10:35 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
10:35 kakobrekla hm
10:35 kakobrekla tjos os mpt tje way ot should be
10:35 kakobrekla whatever
10:35 mircea_popescu lol
10:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'everything new is carefully forgotten old' - http://www.flickr.com/photos/nnsanews/8726748024/in/photostream/
10:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol
10:37 mircea_popescu kakobrekla but srsly, bet closed on 14th, guy agitates about not being paid on 14th ?
10:37 mircea_popescu it's not even been a day ><
10:37 pankkake !rules
10:38 kakobrekla ah right
10:38 kakobrekla i missed that part
10:38 herbijudlestoids hullo guys
10:38 herbijudlestoids just about bedtime here
10:38 mircea_popescu i mean i get it, people need their 18 bitcents or w/e to go invest it and double it or w/e it is they do, but still.
10:38 kakobrekla sry mp, thought it was 5 days.
10:38 mircea_popescu "aveti putintica rabdare" as teh phrase goes.
10:38 mircea_popescu np np
10:38 jborkl the option bid/ask is offline right now MP?
10:39 mircea_popescu jborkl bot must have failed to get a quote
10:39 Jere_Jones mircea_popescu Feature request for bash.bitcoin-assets.com: A link to the part in the relevant part at log.bitcoin-assets.com so that context is easier to find.
10:40 mircea_popescu this is actually not a bad idea. kakobrekla would it be hard for !b to also pass the link to the first line ?
10:40 jborkl ah ok, where is the bot getting vwap from now? I can't remember
10:40 mircea_popescu bitcoincharts, as before.
10:40 jborkl ok thanks
10:40 mircea_popescu i've never changed that
10:40 herbijudlestoids i been thinking tonight, i might have to force myself to not come in here for a while. in a week or so big things coming and i need to make sure all my focus on it. this place is just too distracting :P ...hopefully when i come back ill be rich.
10:40 kakobrekla i approve of the idea.
10:41 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083 << this is such lulz.
10:41 herbijudlestoids aside from reading bash and trilema, any advice for someone who has to take a gap?
10:41 boolcrap i see
10:41 mircea_popescu "mp, you must do what we say or else we'll hurt ourselves! care!"
10:41 ozbot MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:41 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids get laid.
10:41 herbijudlestoids haha
10:41 herbijudlestoids -assets related advice
10:42 mircea_popescu dun worry too much, as exciting as it may seem and as fleeting it may appear for that reason, bitcoin will still be here in a decade, and so will this chan.
10:42 mircea_popescu you'll just be older and decrepit-er and senile-er
10:42 mircea_popescu aka richer.
10:42 boolcrap your saying that humanity will survive another 10 years?
10:42 kakobrekla YOU A RE HUMAN!?!
10:43 boolcrap im pretty sure we are on the verge of blowing all of ourselves up
10:43 mircea_popescu boolcrap just the girls.
10:43 boolcrap hrm
10:43 boolcrap they would become asexual?
10:43 chetty we been there for 50 years, nothing to see there
10:43 herbijudlestoids ok thx.
10:44 asciilifeform 'we shall all bake together when we bake...'
10:44 boolcrap lawl.
10:44 herbijudlestoids i might try to pop in occasionally for a rematch against bingoboingo
10:44 herbijudlestoids behave yourselves :)
10:44 mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids : "go! go to your fancy fire!"
10:45 mircea_popescu ;;google blow tumbler
10:45 gribble blow on Tumblr: <http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/blow>; beyonce blow on Tumblr: <http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/beyonce-blow>; Blown glass Tumbler - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34VEuiPenqs>
10:45 mircea_popescu google seems stuck in safe mode
10:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07150094 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3}
10:48 boolcrap assbot
10:48 boolcrap show me some ass
10:48 boolcrap !ass
10:48 boolcrap !hotass
10:48 asciilifeform .bait
10:48 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m65bz28JCw1rwvn7bo1_500.jpg
10:48 boolcrap there we go
10:48 boolcrap !hotamericanjailbaitass
10:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086971 = 15.4808 BTC [+] {3}
11:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1232 BTC [-]
11:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00023999 = 0.432 BTC [-] {3}
11:11 ThickAsThieves bitstamp open for withdrawals again
11:13 ThickAsThieves http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/524796/show-me-the-bitcoins/
11:13 assbot 123!
11:13 ozbot Charting Bitcoin's Unsteady Rise | MIT Technology Review
11:14 ThickAsThieves minimally interesting...
11:15 ThickAsThieves "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded"
11:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08399997 = 0.252 BTC [+]
11:16 mike_c and by "spent" they mean.. moved?
11:16 mike_c so when mining pools distribute shares the coins are "spent" i guess?
11:16 deadweasel they don't know what they mean.
11:16 deadweasel spendthrift miners!
11:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08399997 = 0.168 BTC [+]
11:18 ThickAsThieves yeah the graphic is kinda useless
11:18 ThickAsThieves sorry MIT
11:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
11:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
11:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [-] {2}
11:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.07300003 = 3.577 BTC [-] {8}
11:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
11:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00086953 = 10.8256 BTC [-]
11:36 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves> "New bitcoins are now far more likely to be spent than hoarded" << on the basis of what ?
11:37 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.new#new this should be lulzy.
11:38 ozbot Calling out CasinoBitco.in
11:38 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^
11:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.066 = 0.66 BTC [-] {2}
11:43 pankkake I wouldn't reduce bitbet to gambling
11:43 mircea_popescu this is a point.
11:44 pankkake and I think CBTC is the least worst havelock security :) (I sold mine as soon as I could make a profit, because fuck havelock, but anyways)
11:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
11:45 mircea_popescu yes, which is why the mention.
11:45 mircea_popescu wtf must you be thinking, to simply make false statements for absolutely no reason.
11:45 mircea_popescu pretty disappointing.
11:45 pankkake "the first Bitcoin-only gaming establishment to offer unique, provably-fair games" is true if you account for "unique"
11:46 pankkake everything's unique in some way
11:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00086897 = 38.2347 BTC [-] {2}
11:46 mircea_popescu not really.
11:46 mircea_popescu i get that this has of late become fashionable, but it's not actually true.
11:46 mircea_popescu every apple is not unique. it's just an apple.
11:47 mircea_popescu more abstractly : for things to be unique it's not enough for them to be different, it's also required for that difference to be meaningful in some sort of actual system. it's not enough that a system may exist in which the difference may be meaningful. it has to be actually meaningful in an actual system.
11:47 mircea_popescu and one's mother is not a system.
11:47 deadweasel Hey, they launched a poll to confirm their beliefs about their upcoming growth spurt... what other evidence do you need?
11:48 deadweasel A poll, in the forums....
11:48 mircea_popescu deadweasel maybe they can laungh a poll so that 2013 comes before 2011 in their personal history.
11:48 deadweasel since they're trading below IP, it would make them look profitable!
11:48 deadweasel IPO*
11:48 mircea_popescu s/laungh/launch. apparently laugh got impacted in there
11:50 deadweasel glad you took them to task. that is a very scammy venture judging by their post.
11:50 mircea_popescu i'm with pankkake, they actually are one of the less scammy things on havelock.
11:50 mircea_popescu they only took their investors down 30% or so, so far.
11:50 deadweasel i've stopped looking at anything on havelock, because if it's on havelock....
11:50 mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma6breRS0v1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
11:50 mircea_popescu this is the worst fucking idea ever.
11:50 mircea_popescu any chick with nice tits has serious problems running topless.
11:51 mircea_popescu they should have let them wear bras and nothing else.
11:51 pankkake they're over the IPOs price now I think
11:51 mircea_popescu pankkake yeah, because they want to sell more treasury stock.
11:51 pankkake they made 3 IPOs, each newer IPO… cheaper
11:51 deadweasel hahaha
11:51 mircea_popescu derp.
11:52 pankkake and the first one was sold out very quick, it traded much higher for a short time, like the older havelock IPOs
11:52 pankkake so that whole thing was badly done
11:52 deadweasel were they IPOd before havelock changed ownership?
11:53 pankkake yes
11:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-]
11:53 jborkl topace doesnt own havelock anymore?
11:54 mircea_popescu they did some dubious shuffling of assets
11:55 mircea_popescu it's clearly a fraudulent construct and will be pierced by any court, but hey.
11:56 pankkake seems to be a bit stronger than the others
11:56 jborkl oh huh, what did they inc in another country and transfer type of deal?
11:56 topace correct i am no longer a majority stakeholder in havelock (the exchange)
11:56 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5112237#msg5112237 if you want lulz
11:56 ozbot [ActiveMining] Shareholder Discussion Thread {moderated TROLL FREE}
11:57 mircea_popescu jborkl i don't even remember which bahamas it supposedly was.
11:58 jborkl ok, yeah I missed that completely.
11:58 mircea_popescu pankkake that'll be interesting. i guess the results are only predictable to like five people or some shit.
11:58 mircea_popescu "We are being blocked, even in a startup the owners can move their ownership to another investor, we can't even do that."
11:58 mircea_popescu derp.
11:59 mircea_popescu why the fuck are all these people without a clue involved in stuff.
11:59 jborkl I thought Activemining was resolved as a fat guy in the trunk of a 67 skylark 6 months ago
11:59 mircea_popescu it was.
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.60766948 BTC to 1`676 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
11:59 jborkl ok, just making sure
11:59 mircea_popescu nothing ever goes away on the forum.
11:59 mircea_popescu even the gbbg dood is still there.
11:59 mircea_popescu heck, goat is still there, rpietilla is still there, one of these days the pirate character is gonna start posting again.
12:00 benkay some of the goat's posts ocassionally get 'edited'
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC
12:01 Jere_Jones Favorite mp quote so far: "There’s however no intelligence required to be an asshole."
12:01 mircea_popescu i said that ?!
12:01 jborkl I noticed almost 0 of the advertising slots have been filled for about a month, I read about vaporware every few days
12:01 Jere_Jones http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/
12:01 ozbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptib
12:02 Jere_Jones Right before "Meanwhile, quoth Business Insider :"
12:02 mircea_popescu lol ozzie is too short for my titulature needs.
12:02 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones wonderful thing technology, i'd have forgotten 80% of my good ideas without it.
12:07 Asa9 sir - I wish you were around when I was a teen. I would have had my shit together way before now.
12:07 Asa9 you should call yourself the Oracle something
12:08 Asa9 just wanted to add that after reading your site for awhile now
12:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02467648 = 0.6169 BTC [-] {8}
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00023897 = 0.1195 BTC [-]
12:12 mircea_popescu i shall call myself mp!
12:12 deadweasel 'his discourse is about on par with what you’d expect out of the Ohio representative in the Miss America competition.' >> ahahahahha
12:13 Jere_Jones And... I'm out of trilema credits. I guess I should get some work done.
12:13 mircea_popescu back to the mines.
12:13 deadweasel dogecoin, because kids are starving in africa,
12:13 mircea_popescu incidentally, this brings forth an interesting point :
12:14 mircea_popescu people love to think that trilema credits system is there cause im greedy, but it may just as well be the case
12:14 mircea_popescu they're there to force people to also do some work in a day. at the very least to pay for the credits.
12:14 mircea_popescu fight the tendency to spend 100% of one's life in the sinagogue
12:14 deadweasel or have rotating vpn..
12:14 mircea_popescu still needs to be paid for
12:15 deadweasel i pay for it by reading it ;)
12:15 mircea_popescu lol
12:15 deadweasel my brain will never be the same
12:15 mircea_popescu no but this is in reference to an amply discussed 19th century problem, where jewish kids didn't really want to do anything but learn
12:15 mircea_popescu cause it was more stimulating
12:15 mircea_popescu and well... you can't have a society of nothing but that.
12:16 deadweasel we're certainly trying over here, only we've managed to learn in a poorly to not-at-all fashion. and we're great at it.
12:16 mircea_popescu yeah i guess that's progress.
12:17 mod6 FORWARD SOVIET
12:17 Jere_Jones Eh. No worries. Trilema credits are cheap. Surprisingly so.
12:18 mircea_popescu mod6 it is, you know ? i mean people who haven't lived this side of the iron curtain can't really get the depth of it, it;s not the same to be told about it or to see it with your own eyes
12:18 mircea_popescu but it is fucking soviet.
12:18 mircea_popescu fractally so. in excruciatingly shocking detail.
12:18 asciilifeform sad part is, these folks are about to get a Free! Amazing! excursion there. no time machine needed.
12:19 mircea_popescu all sorts of obscure nonsensical shit you sincerely thought are an artefact of the time and place,
12:19 mircea_popescu a resut of the stupidity of one particular race,
12:19 asciilifeform the new, 'streamlined', 'modern' ussr. all butugichag, no kurchatov.
12:19 mircea_popescu anything you wish. nope... was not.
12:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform then what's ann arbor ?
12:20 asciilifeform it'll be in anchorage or something
12:22 asciilifeform the americans seem eager to move into the mythical ussr they themselves painted.
12:22 asciilifeform where 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.'
12:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the joke with the little girl and the icecream ?
12:22 asciilifeform yes
12:22 asciilifeform everyone knows it
12:22 mircea_popescu fucking hell.
12:22 mircea_popescu you know, i like the americans better. at least to them i can tell jokes :D
12:22 asciilifeform anyone here doesn't know it?
12:23 Asa9 i don't
12:23 Asa9 :(
12:23 mircea_popescu mwahaha.
12:23 deadweasel plunder our laughs
12:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you say it
12:24 mod6 it has been quite the transformation over the last 30 years. WE WILL HAVE PROGRESS, FROM HOPE, TAXATION OF THE WEALTHY AND UNICORN FARTS! WE WILL SHOW THE WORLD HOW EXCEPTIONAL WE ARE!
12:24 boolcrap tell me this joke i have not heard it
12:25 mod6 *cough*
12:25 asciilifeform mp, i liked your telling. let's have it
12:25 mircea_popescu i told it before ?
12:25 mircea_popescu jesus i'm already an old man, check me out.
12:25 asciilifeform at some point
12:26 mircea_popescu ok, so school in soviet russia
12:27 mircea_popescu a guy in the required sunglasses joins the 4th grade to help with their political educaiton
12:27 mircea_popescu tells the kiddos all about the horrible imperialist barbaric lands outside of The Country, and how children there are kept naked and starving and forced to labour in huge child labour camps
12:28 mircea_popescu whereas for comparison the kids in the soviet union are free and happy and even get icecream!
12:28 mircea_popescu little girl in last row starts crying her pioneer shirt off
12:28 mircea_popescu "what's the matter little girl ?"
12:28 mircea_popescu "i want to go to the soviet union!!!"
12:28 Asa9 lol
12:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08167999 = 0.8168 BTC [+] {4}
12:28 boolcrap heh
12:29 mod6 *grin*
12:29 boolcrap i have a joke
12:29 mircea_popescu shoot
12:29 boolcrap its my only joke ever.
12:29 boolcrap ok so
12:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what were schoolkids' paramilitary thing called in the ussr ? i forget.
12:29 boolcrap a rabbi a priest and little boy are sitting at a table, the little boy is kind of bent over the table getting something
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.0818 = 0.1636 BTC [+]
12:30 boolcrap so the priest turns to the rabbi and says " boy id love to screw that little boy"
12:30 boolcrap and the rabbi says " out of what?"
12:30 mircea_popescu lol
12:30 Jere_Jones lol
12:30 mod6 haha
12:30 jborkl heh very good
12:30 Asa9 I went to the shrink once. He diagnosed me as being Stoic. I cried.
12:30 Jere_Jones Anyone heard the "Theory vs Reality" joke? It's the only one I have that routinely gets geniuine laughs.
12:31 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/embed/_sxTbfeYdO0 anyway
12:31 ozbot Hymn of the USSR - Red Army Choir (English Sub.) - YouTube
12:31 mircea_popescu Jere_Jones "two whores" ?
12:31 Jere_Jones Yeah
12:31 Jere_Jones A life lesson and a joke in one.
12:31 mircea_popescu there's this romanian joke whereby the insane in one asylum loved jokes, and knew them so well that people'd just say the index # and everyone laughed.
12:32 Jere_Jones That joke is romanian?
12:32 mircea_popescu so the romanians say.
12:32 Jere_Jones lol
12:32 mircea_popescu im sure it's persian or something
12:33 boolcrap popescu do you like romanian gymnasts ?
12:33 mircea_popescu sure, why not.
12:34 boolcrap i have nothing further to contribute to this.
12:34 boolcrap hey i hear the internet is amazing in romania.
12:34 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00087104 = 21.7324 BTC [+] {2}
12:35 mircea_popescu it is actually. top 5 in teh world or something.
12:35 pankkake really?
12:35 mircea_popescu yeah.
12:35 boolcrap popescu are you like, the only honest man in romania?
12:35 pankkake for some reasons romania is banned as a whole in many private torrent trackers
12:35 pankkake so I supposed it was shitty
12:35 mod6 lol, someone should spoof that USSR Hymn, change the words to USSA and obummer & co.
12:36 mircea_popescu pankkake nah, it's definitely the best in the eu.
12:36 mircea_popescu boolcrap nah.
12:36 pankkake if you don't account for scandinavia maybe
12:37 mircea_popescu http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/6/2013-01-23/top-10-countries-with-the-fastest-internet.html
12:37 ozbot Top 10: Where to Find the World's Fastest Internet: 5. Romania - Bloomberg
12:37 boolcrap dam
12:37 jborkl pankkake, MP can answer this- but I seem to remember Romania had a bad rap for spam email servers awhile back so it is assumed
12:37 mircea_popescu yes, if you account for it.
12:37 boolcrap what kind of line do u have at your house in romania?
12:38 mircea_popescu http://www.upc.ro/
12:38 mircea_popescu that's the provider. 150mbps for like 30 bux or w/e
12:38 boolcrap dam
12:38 boolcrap sounds amazing
12:38 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
12:38 mircea_popescu o wait, 9 bux
12:38 mircea_popescu apparently they slashed it
12:38 pankkake :o
12:38 boolcrap what about
12:38 boolcrap in the country side
12:38 boolcrap what kind of internet do they have?
12:38 mircea_popescu this is the country side.
12:38 boolcrap heh
12:38 boolcrap so
12:39 mircea_popescu europe, and especially romania, has been continuously inhabited for 2k years.
12:39 mircea_popescu there is no "countryside" in the arizona sense of the term
12:39 deadweasel 9 bucks! i am in prison...
12:39 mircea_popescu deadweasel told ya.
12:39 boolcrap theres no places where there isnt fiber run?
12:39 mod6 i used to live in the az countryside :)
12:39 mircea_popescu boolcrap there are, but you'd have to go there FOR THAT purpose.
12:39 boolcrap o
12:40 mircea_popescu anyway, getting gbps connections isn't either hard or expensive.
12:41 boolcrap dam i just moved to the country
12:41 boolcrap bad internet
12:41 boolcrap back to 1997 speeds.
12:41 mod6 ahh, waiting for boobs, one line of pixels at a time 'eh
12:41 mircea_popescu lmao
12:41 pankkake I pay 50€ for 100M down / 5M up. and most people don't even have access to that
12:42 mircea_popescu pankkake told ya.
12:42 boolcrap im getting about 56k down
12:42 mircea_popescu ><
12:42 boolcrap :)
12:42 boolcrap how do i jerk off, no one knows
12:42 boolcrap nothing worse than waiting for some hot porn to load
12:42 mod6 slowly
12:43 mircea_popescu boolcrap so get a woman.
12:43 boolcrap well
12:43 boolcrap in my country i dont have a stable of women
12:43 boolcrap like u do
12:43 mircea_popescu builds character anyway. you'll get trained against doing i too early.
12:43 mircea_popescu pankkake incidentally, banning romania in a torrent tracker is pretrty much idiotic.
12:43 mircea_popescu i would guess 50% of all material in the eu is in romania.
12:43 pankkake most French internet is 20M down/1M up for 30€ (DSL) - some lucky people have real FTTH though, with symetric bandwith
12:44 pankkake conversely, there are many romanian trackers
12:44 mircea_popescu pankkake obviously you can have anything custom installed. the discussion is more about you know, entry level or average or w/e
12:44 pankkake either it was because some ISPs were altering the traffic (happens in Israel), or there were too many cheaters (romanians, after all)
12:45 pankkake well French FTTH is about 30€ too. just way too few places where it is installed
12:45 pankkake and it seems most of the hurdle is bureaucracy
12:45 pankkake the lines are built
12:45 mircea_popescu of course.
12:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51941 BTC [-]
12:46 mircea_popescu pankkake what'd a cheater do to a torrent ?!
12:46 pankkake my coproperty said yes to an ISP… 3 years ago
12:46 pankkake private trackers rely on the clients to tell how much they upload and download
12:46 pankkake but you can totally lie
12:46 pankkake of course, unless everyone lies, you can figure out who did lie
12:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51446666 = 1.5434 BTC [-] {2}
12:47 mircea_popescu but why do you care if they lie or not /
12:47 pankkake each user has upload/download stats
12:47 pankkake and you have to maintain a good ratio of those
12:48 jborkl http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/fios-customer-discovers-the-limits-of-unlimited-data-77-tb-in-month/
12:48 ozbot FiOS customer discovers the limits of “unlimited” data: 77TB a month | Ars Technica
12:48 pankkake the goal is to encourage sharing
12:48 mircea_popescu this sounds to me like french bureaucracy
12:48 pankkake haha
12:48 mircea_popescu just let people do whatever the fuck it is they please to do.
12:49 pankkake well, the end result is a lot of content and a lot of speed
12:49 mircea_popescu seeing how there's no comparison point, all soviet bureaucracies claim a lot of speed and content
12:49 mircea_popescu north korea is at this very moment saying the same
12:49 punkman1 the goal is usually to get people to pay for download credits, since they can't actually upload anything
12:49 mircea_popescu derp.
12:49 punkman1 because too many people uploading
12:49 pankkake the real issue of private trackers is… CENTRALIZATION!!
12:49 mircea_popescu so the goal is to try and recreate riia out of material stolen from the riia
12:50 pankkake the best trackers - as in best content and spee- usually don't do that
12:50 mircea_popescu obviously.
12:50 mircea_popescu and the better ones actually don't block romania, on the grounds of you know, being in romania in the first place.
12:51 pankkake http://i.imgur.com/NmI9aDK.png
12:52 mircea_popescu kinda meaningless to me but hey.
12:52 pankkake I wanted to compare the different reward/"economic" systems but never got to it
12:52 punkman1 pankkake: how can that small amount of leechers support those seeders?
12:52 mircea_popescu lol!
12:52 pankkake what do you mean?
12:53 punkman1 seeders need leechers to get download credit, not enough leechers for everyone
12:53 punkman1 yeah it's a bit twisted this logic
12:53 pankkake the thing is, most of your torrents stay idle, but you then can seed a LOT of things
12:53 mircea_popescu http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/wikipedia-kills-page-linking-obama-slogan-to-socialist-movement/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
12:53 pankkake I have about 6000 albums seeding on that tracker alone
12:54 mircea_popescu wikipedia deletes page because people who didn't like obama used it as an example.
12:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1291 @ 0.000225 = 0.2905 BTC [-] {2}
12:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699985 = 0.231 BTC [+]
12:54 pankkake and maybe 5 at a time max with downloaders. so it's manageable
12:54 pankkake wikipedians love to delete pages
12:54 mircea_popescu only some of them.
12:55 mircea_popescu they don't delete the retarded pages about nonsense like bullying
12:55 mircea_popescu they do delete pages that dare notice that indeed forward is shorthand for stupid.
12:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3609 @ 0.000225 = 0.812 BTC [-]
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13:13 deadweasel i leech plenty
13:13 deadweasel limit my up to 10kb
13:13 deadweasel :)
13:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07629999 = 0.1526 BTC [-]
13:20 Duffer1 hola
13:22 mircea_popescu hey
13:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06647788 = 2.6591 BTC [-] {9}
13:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06470221 = 1.1646 BTC [-] {3}
13:27 Asa9 mp - Im doing some housework and Im hummiing along with the hymn of the soviet union. Thanks a lot!
13:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28551 @ 0.0008708 = 24.8622 BTC [-] {3}
13:27 asciilifeform soyuz nerushymyj,...
13:31 mircea_popescu lol
13:32 mircea_popescu bessmertnykh idej kommunizma!
13:32 asciilifeform haha
13:32 asciilifeform lenin velikij nam put' ozaril...
13:33 mircea_popescu nono the best part about lenin (in romanian at least) is Partiia Lenina!!!!
13:33 mircea_popescu because in romanian, feminine is derogatory, and party and lenin are both masculine.
13:33 mircea_popescu so it's like... partidette leninette a la smurfette.
13:33 asciilifeform ahaa
13:34 mircea_popescu people tended to lol at that part.
13:35 asciilifeform 'only the laziest won't kick a dead lion' (rus)
13:35 mircea_popescu i guess hipsters don't either, nor rabis.
13:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 491 @ 0.000225 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}
13:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1584 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3455 BTC [-] {2}
13:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4509 @ 0.0002181 = 0.9834 BTC [-] {6}
13:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00087063 = 24.1165 BTC [-] {3}
13:50 kakobrekla o pankkake whatcd :)
13:55 pankkake which has been ddosed for weeks :( decentralize it!
13:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00087253 = 8.3763 BTC [+] {2}
13:57 kakobrekla i barely use it anymore
13:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1739 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3793 BTC [+]
14:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.00021811 = 0.3902 BTC [+]
14:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06410011 = 1.282 BTC [-]
14:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0729 = 0.2916 BTC [-] {2}
14:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2}
14:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.06173911 = 2.5313 BTC [-] {7}
14:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
14:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00087387 = 68.861 BTC [+] {4}
14:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12489 BTC [+]
14:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.07335355 = 1.0269 BTC [+] {6}
14:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210005 BTC [-]
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.19376446 = 1.1626 BTC [+] {2}
14:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11739 @ 0.00086772 = 10.1862 BTC [-] {2}
14:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1611 @ 0.00086657 = 1.396 BTC [-]
14:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8087 @ 0.00087448 = 7.0719 BTC [+]
14:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27063 @ 0.00087468 = 23.6715 BTC [+]
14:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.0008725 = 11.2553 BTC [-]
15:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0729999 = 0.219 BTC [+]
15:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.07393176 = 1.2568 BTC [+] {2}
15:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00021806 = 0.9813 BTC [-] {7}
15:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}
15:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210004 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}
15:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] {2}
15:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [-]
15:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06899997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}
15:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00515454 = 0.3299 BTC [+] {6}
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15:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00500738 = 0.7511 BTC [-] {4}
15:40 pankkake easy MPOE-PR opportunity: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5134983#msg5134983
15:41 mod6 oh wow.
15:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00022675 = 0.4535 BTC [+]
15:43 mod6 2FA key was written down on paper as "backup". << 2FA ftw lawl
15:44 pankkake well if the paper was the issue, that's someone he knows
15:44 punkman1 "So we turn to you, our valued customers, what features would like us to add to our platform?"
15:45 Willdude123 Hello
15:48 kakobrekla hi
15:48 kakobrekla http://i.imgur.com/vKuwsiA.jpg
15:48 punkman1 i lol'd
15:49 Willdude123 What was that rather large stock exchange that shut down? Something E
15:49 Willdude123 Or did it shut
15:50 Willdude123 Are there any good books on investments I can read?
15:50 B007 yes
15:51 Asa9 the richest man in babylon
15:51 Asa9 start there
15:51 Asa9 :D
15:51 Asa9 there are many pdfs online
15:51 kakobrekla B007's favorite 'Pumpin'n'dumping by Pirrratee Atrobterts'
15:52 Willdude123 Is that not a little old?
15:52 Asa9 well what do you mean on investments?
15:52 kakobrekla afaik preorders were just ipoed
15:52 B007 kakobrekla: oh you
15:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-]
15:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
15:53 kakobrekla Willdude123 log.bitcoin-assets.com turned out to be a good book to read up on investments
15:53 Willdude123 So just reading what people say here?
15:54 kakobrekla and said.
15:54 Willdude123 I don't particularly understand this B.SELL and B.MINE business
15:55 kakobrekla read the contract if there is any
15:55 pankkake it's inspired by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.0
15:56 Willdude123 Somewhat difficult to understand, will continue
15:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 457 @ 0.05586238 = 25.5291 BTC [-] {11}
15:57 kakobrekla take the time to understand and self learn yourself
16:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00086838 = 26.9198 BTC [-]
16:04 Willdude123 kakobrekla, so how can they afford to pay out what a 5 mh/s miner would pay out?
16:04 Willdude123 Do they have miners?
16:05 Jere_Jones punkman1 What's wrong with asking customers what they want?
16:05 punkman1 Jere_Jones: in this case, read the thread, and see the derps asking Havelock to 2FA HARDER
16:08 Willdude123 Well this is remarkably confusing
16:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0008711 = 14.1989 BTC [+]
16:11 Willdude123 So it costs £12000 to register with MPEX. How does anyone make any profit?
16:12 bones` I would think successful trades?
16:14 deadweasel i don't think he accepts £
16:16 Willdude123 Well, 30BTC then
16:16 Willdude123 Sorry, I've yet to manage thinking in BTC without converting it to my own currency
16:17 bones` Some good introductory reading: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Atrilema.com+noob
16:18 Willdude123 Whut?
16:19 Willdude123 The lmgtfy thing didn't really work as one was not expecting to google that
16:19 Asa9 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/does-janet-yellen-believe-in-deflation-2014-02-12?link=sfmw_sm
16:19 ozbot Does Janet Yellen believe in deflation? - Brett Arends's ROI - MarketWatch
16:26 Willdude123 I think I sort of just about get it now
16:28 kakobrekla Willdude123 http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=18
16:29 Willdude123 :)
16:29 Willdude123 I semi-understand it
16:29 Willdude123 I'm not making a claim to understanding it
16:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55489999 BTC [+]
16:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
16:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210004 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
16:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
16:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
16:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55489999 = 1.1098 BTC [+] {2}
16:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0738 = 0.369 BTC [+] {3}
16:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12210004 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}
16:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+] {2}
16:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
16:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
16:51 punkman1 http://stephenlaw.blogspot.gr/2014/02/how-us-treasury-imposes-sanctions-on-me.html
16:51 ozbot Stephen Law: How the US Treasury imposes sanctions on me and every other "Stephen Law" on the planet
16:52 BingoBoingo Oh, Altcoin now leads Opened in BTC volume
16:54 pankkake 0.3BTC? WOW!
16:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.0008725 = 21.5508 BTC [+]
17:02 asciilifeform pankkake: wait - wtf ?
17:02 asciilifeform surely not
17:03 pankkake https://openex.pw/index.php?page=home shows 0.3
17:03 ozbot OpenEx
17:03 pankkake volume of course not price
17:03 asciilifeform aha
17:04 asciilifeform 'Danger! 1,000,000 Ohms.'
17:04 asciilifeform something like that
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5296 @ 0.0008711 = 4.6133 BTC [-]
17:10 Vexual resistance is futile
17:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0008711 = 8.7981 BTC [-]
17:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00021623 = 0.5406 BTC [-] {8}
17:28 benkay induction is irresistable
17:28 benkay punkman1: nowhere on that page is there mention of bitcoin. you should fix that.
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17:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06399918 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2}
17:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06418175 = 0.706 BTC [+] {5}
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18:09 kakobrekla bash flushed.
18:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0008725 = 7.329 BTC [+]
18:17 benkay http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=57
18:17 ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash
18:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00022491 = 0.1743 BTC [+]
18:21 davout kakobrekla: did you document your findings about bitstamps matching engine somewhere?
18:21 davout or should i dig the logs?
18:22 kakobrekla hm, i bitchumented it here and prolly on forums couple of times
18:22 kakobrekla but then they added to their faq "we are retarded" and i stopped.
18:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6465 @ 0.00087241 = 5.6401 BTC [-]
18:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18085 @ 0.00087269 = 15.7826 BTC [+] {2}
18:29 kakobrekla btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so
18:29 davout yeah, you said it here a week ago or sthg iirc
18:30 davout the question is who buys it
18:30 punkman1 nobody sane
18:31 davout punkman1: the value of an exchange boils down to the value of their banking relationship + their existing customer base
18:31 davout one of the two is unknown
18:31 kakobrekla anyway re bitstamp, there were couple of problems over the course of time
18:32 kakobrekla the most irritating is the min trade fee
18:32 davout oh yeah i heard about this one
18:32 kakobrekla i had a case where someone hit my order with 1 satoshi
18:32 davout ouch
18:33 kakobrekla (they can also make this shit up)
18:33 davout like hitting your order with a satoshi just to charge you the minn fee?
18:34 kakobrekla yea
18:34 kakobrekla and ofc fee in that case is millions %
18:34 davout yo
18:35 Apocalyptic <kakobrekla> btw dunno if you caught it, but they are supposedly selling their shit in a month or so // interesting
18:35 davout "your cable was unplugged and it took 3 secs to fix? we'll charge you the full hour no problem"
18:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00087415 = 22.3782 BTC [+] {3}
18:42 davout kakobrekla: i'm asking because imma open up the market orders feature, and i want to test the shit out of it before i do, so i was wondering if there were some bugs with them that could give me additional things to pay attention to
18:42 davout (on bstamp)
18:44 Apocalyptic davout, have you read http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r4d6t/bitstamps_streaming_api_and_exploitation/ ?
18:45 Apocalyptic the issue, and the fact someone is exploiting it beyond reasonable doubt has been verified
18:46 davout Apocalyptic: has it been fixed ?
18:46 Apocalyptic nope
18:46 Apocalyptic not to my knowledge
18:47 ThickAsThieves why isnt mpex quoting options?
18:48 ThickAsThieves data source seems to be working fine, no? http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json
18:49 davout ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2014#503754
18:49 ThickAsThieves failed to get a quote?
18:49 davout yea, that's kind of mysterious
18:49 ThickAsThieves as in cant access the bitcoincharts data that is accessible?
18:50 davout maybe it's some sort of safe switch that interrupts quoting under certain market conditions
18:51 davout maybe the quoting leprechauns are on strike
18:52 ThickAsThieves thatd be fine i guess
18:52 ThickAsThieves if that was stated reasoning
18:52 davout or mebbe the leprechaun is busy http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/165/e/e/fvsm01_leprechauns1_witches0_by_faile35-d3ixz8r.jpg
18:52 Apocalyptic .d
18:52 ozbot 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 384 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8109% in 2d 4h 53m 52s
18:52 ThickAsThieves "dont expect to buy options when you want them most" or such
18:53 ThickAsThieves hypothetically speaking of course
18:53 davout if it "failed" to get a quote it sort of implies it's an unexpected situation
18:53 ThickAsThieves which'd be weird too, considering that's just an algo flaw, just make em cost more
18:55 ThickAsThieves i vote it's a Bugpowder freezeout
18:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07500001 = 0.375 BTC [-] {2}
18:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21942 @ 0.00087465 = 19.1916 BTC [+]
19:00 ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDXuPQ9ML9E
19:00 ozbot Get Konnected with The Kronies Action Figures - YouTube
19:01 davout wow
19:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17498 @ 0.00087494 = 15.3097 BTC [+]
19:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087465 = 5.073 BTC [-]
19:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00038239 = 0.6118 BTC [-] {5}
19:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+]
19:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00087494 = 2.8663 BTC [+]
19:30 mod6 lol TAT, that was awesome
19:33 mod6 "oh no! I'm underwater, I need a bail out!" lmao
19:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.0008749 = 7.8627 BTC [-] {2}
19:35 pankkake http://thekronies.com/ (but you can't buy them… yet)
19:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
19:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210004 BTC [-]
19:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07399999 = 0.222 BTC [+]
19:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210003 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
19:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
19:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
19:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210003 BTC [-]
19:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
19:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00087526 = 20.2185 BTC [+] {2}
19:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00297571 = 0.2083 BTC [+]
19:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899997 = 0.414 BTC [+]
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20:14 mod6 http://youtu.be/ob9Ak1t09Ao
20:14 ozbot Protest at Mt Gox, Tokyo, 14th February 2014 - YouTube
20:14 mod6 lmao
20:17 pankkake from the looks of it, the guy ate all the bitcoins
20:18 pankkake does it work like a piñata?
20:19 asciilifeform http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jAVGHwajDek/Rug-h4p-SAI/AAAAAAAAABY/vFJNNHVb9I4/s1600-h/bus.jpeg
20:19 ozbot bus.jpeg (image)
20:20 mod6 haha, magicaltux came on the lamers bus
20:21 kakobrekla i think he runs that company too
20:21 kakobrekla free pass!
20:27 benkay afternoon
20:28 kakobrekla heya
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20:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2}
20:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00087465 = 5.4228 BTC [-]
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21:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087537 = 13.4807 BTC [+] {2}
21:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
21:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
21:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087465 = 4.2421 BTC [-]
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22:02 moiety meh
22:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00297927 = 0.432 BTC [+] {4}
22:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06099999 = 0.366 BTC [-]
22:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00515 = 0.1288 BTC [-]
22:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51800001 BTC [-]
22:18 ThickAsThieves http://www.bloomberg.com/video/can-bitcoin-come-back-from-multiple-hacks-~XPcnslQRTu4drafGngWdw.html
22:18 ozbot Can Bitcoin Come Back from Multiple Hacks?: Video - Bloomberg
22:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00087559 = 9.1061 BTC [+]
22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2207 @ 0.00087559 = 1.9324 BTC [+]
22:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4993 @ 0.00087563 = 4.372 BTC [+]
22:26 MisterE ThickAsThieves: you read about the dude who flew to Tokyo to confront Gox CEO?
22:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00022499 = 0.225 BTC [+]
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087465 = 9.3588 BTC [-]
22:38 pankkake http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?type=&nick=&thing=GOXBTC&otherthing=&eitherthing=&notes=
22:38 ozbot #bitcoin-otc order book
22:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10224 @ 0.00087563 = 8.9524 BTC [+]
22:45 chetty haha goxbtc, is that a new alt coin?
22:46 joecool it's a fractional reserve currency based on bitcoin
22:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00087465 = 9.4462 BTC [-]
23:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087463 = 5.5976 BTC [-] {2}
23:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+] {2}
23:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13051 @ 0.00021537 = 2.8108 BTC [-] {10}
23:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9525 @ 0.00087463 = 8.3309 BTC [-]
23:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087564 = 8.4937 BTC [+] {2}
23:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00522854 = 0.4915 BTC [+] {10}
23:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 136 @ 0.00525205 = 0.7143 BTC [+] {5}
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