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00:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.24946149 = 6.486 BTC [+] {5}
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00:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.05 = 5 BTC
00:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.24999998 = 2 BTC [+] {2}
00:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.25 = 1 BTC [+]
00:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4435 @ 0.00089935 = 3.9886 BTC [-]
00:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25 = 1.25 BTC [+]
00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.0008992 = 28.2798 BTC [-] {3}
01:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0009027 = 4.6038 BTC [+]
01:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.08302499 = 0.6642 BTC [-] {4}
01:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.05 = 0.65 BTC
01:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0008987 = 9.5262 BTC [-] {2}
01:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.0009027 = 7.1765 BTC [+] {2}
01:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
01:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00230002 = 0.575 BTC [-] {2}
01:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.0228 = 0.5928 BTC [-]
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01:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00296899 = 1.0095 BTC [+] {2}
01:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 258 @ 0.00296996 = 0.7662 BTC [+] {3}
01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24840 @ 0.00089845 = 22.3175 BTC [-]
01:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 675 @ 0.00297781 = 2.01 BTC [+] {2}
02:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00297861 = 0.8936 BTC [+] {4}
02:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00298 = 0.3189 BTC [+] {2}
02:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00238998 = 0.1673 BTC [+]
02:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00090223 = 19.2626 BTC [+] {2}
02:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00090311 = 15.5335 BTC [+] {4}
02:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11752 @ 0.00089777 = 10.5506 BTC [-] {2}
02:19 Apocalyptic komododragon, sup
02:21 komododragon what up
02:21 komododragon you fucking #brokeboy
02:21 komododragon running the late shift tonight again you fucking mut
02:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00230381 = 0.4838 BTC [-] {4}
02:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00089756 = 11.1297 BTC [-]
02:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.05 = 5 BTC
02:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02375 = 0.2375 BTC [+]
02:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02429898 = 0.243 BTC [+] {4}
02:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10625 @ 0.00089883 = 9.5501 BTC [+]
02:55 newguy ;;bcauth newguy
02:55 gribble Request successful for user newguy, hostmask newguy!~truerelig@180.191.169.190. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:801499a6e823efeda47d85dcc68470a283c226f35d4597682b2c2414
03:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5319 @ 0.0009029 = 4.8025 BTC [+]
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03:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12617 @ 0.00089994 = 11.3545 BTC [-] {2}
03:24 Apocalyptic seriously ASAPCA gtfo
03:25 ASAPCA lol
03:25 ASAPCA you my good sir
03:25 ASAPCA are going to get
03:25 ASAPCA hit at least
03:25 ASAPCA 30 times
03:25 ASAPCA i swear to fucking god
03:26 ASAPCA you better stay up with me
03:26 ASAPCA and watch
03:27 ASAPCA now that I got my hands on you
03:27 ASAPCA you're going to wish
03:27 ASAPCA you never got in our way
03:27 ASAPCA you mother fucker
03:29 Apocalyptic *sigh*
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY yeha
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY what i been saying
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY all these times
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY you've kicked me
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY and said
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY U MAD?
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY U MAD?
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY yeah bro
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY i was fucking mad
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY i was livid
03:29 Apocalyptic i can imagine
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY well
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY you gonna feel it
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY with this shit
03:29 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY you fucking maggot
03:35 BDKBDK your going to learn
03:35 BDKBDK today
03:35 BDKBDK you mother fucker
03:38 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY ahhh
03:38 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY looks like
03:38 KINGLILJAYYYYYYY its over
03:38 toronto OH
03:38 toronto AHAHA
03:38 toronto MAYBE NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03:39 twizt huh
03:39 twizt whats going on
03:39 Apocalyptic this chan could really use some op
03:39 kushedoutt oh yes
03:39 Apocalyptic twizt, just a random douche hating
03:39 kushedoutt it should
03:39 kushedoutt could
03:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6895 @ 0.00090361 = 6.2304 BTC [+]
03:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3255 @ 0.00090392 = 2.9423 BTC [+]
03:43 ASAPCA aight
03:43 ASAPCA well
03:43 ASAPCA guess the party
03:43 ASAPCA is up
03:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2124 @ 0.00089881 = 1.9091 BTC [-] {2}
03:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00090184 = 8.342 BTC [+]
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04:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10516 @ 0.00089747 = 9.4378 BTC [-] {2}
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3534 @ 0.00089584 = 3.1659 BTC [-]
04:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5782 @ 0.00090063 = 5.2074 BTC [+] {2}
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05:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00089974 = 6.1632 BTC [-]
05:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00089584 = 12.7657 BTC [-]
05:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15718 @ 0.00090128 = 14.1663 BTC [+]
05:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5732 @ 0.00090185 = 5.1694 BTC [+] {2}
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06:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00090238 = 8.1665 BTC [+] {2}
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06:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00089643 = 11.8329 BTC [-] {3}
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07:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00089863 = 6.7397 BTC [+]
07:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00089489 = 6.9801 BTC [-] {2}
07:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00089863 = 6.2005 BTC [+]
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07:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00089476 = 10.4687 BTC [-]
08:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9351 @ 0.00089476 = 8.3669 BTC [-]
08:06 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic lol so what was that all about ?
08:06 Apocalyptic i call him out, he's our usual scammer in -otc
08:06 Apocalyptic so he got pissed
08:07 Apocalyptic and started creating fake accounts to negrate me
08:07 Apocalyptic & other ops
08:07 gribble Error: "other" is not a valid command.
08:07 truffles lol at that
08:08 truffles at the gibble thing..
08:11 lyspooner what is min size for x.eur
08:12 lyspooner and do i understand the specifications correctly that davout will be responsible for defining delivery details?
08:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4055 @ 0.00089476 = 3.6283 BTC [-]
08:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15512 @ 0.00089469 = 13.8784 BTC [-]
08:21 mircea_popescu lyspooner what do you mean min size ? you can get 1
08:21 jurov he prolly means the lot
08:22 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic you getting a lot of that in -otc these days huh ? i see Azelphur negging people, that's a rarity.
08:22 mircea_popescu 1 x.eur = 1 eur
08:22 mircea_popescu <lyspooner> and do i understand the specifications correctly that davout will be responsible for defining delivery details? << within reason and in advance.
08:23 lyspooner so i buy 1 x.eur, hold it to expiration, and then davout gives me 1 eur
08:23 mircea_popescu yea
08:23 jurov and MKFUT does work on x.eur with 1.8 EUR collateral equivalent?
08:23 mircea_popescu at expiration you can either take 1 euro in cash if you go through the delivery process or have it rolled to next month's x.eur
08:23 mircea_popescu jurov no.
08:24 mircea_popescu but you can contact davout, and deliver euros to him on bc, which arrangement he may accept
08:24 lyspooner i could bankrupt davout by buying several instances of 1 euro from davout, holding them to expiration and having him wire me 1 eur at as many bank accounts as i have contracts
08:24 mircea_popescu this obviously being a mm feature, don't expect it to happen for 7.8 eur or some bs
08:24 mircea_popescu lyspooner afaik there's a 5 eur charge per delivery.
08:24 mircea_popescu go ahead
08:24 jurov right
08:26 mircea_popescu anyway, the phys delivery is mostly there to keep things honest. unlike all the bucket shops running a soft-settled only "future"
08:26 mircea_popescu which obviously is not a future.
08:26 lyspooner because delivery specifications are made by a single-market maker, this contract will always guaranteed to have a single seller?
08:26 mircea_popescu no such guarantee is made.
08:26 lyspooner but davout is responsible for his delivery specs, which might differ from, say, mine
08:26 mircea_popescu yes.
08:26 lyspooner how will a buyer know whome he is facing ?
08:26 mircea_popescu (see teh email you just got)
08:26 lyspooner ah ok sec
08:27 jurov we'll have to wait for official announcement with the specs.. or was it done already?
08:27 mircea_popescu jurov click all the links!
08:27 mircea_popescu Monthly settlement details available here : http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net/
08:28 jurov i see
08:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14475 @ 0.00089656 = 12.9777 BTC [+] {3}
08:31 lyspooner so mpex will not take responsibility for davout or anyone else's failure to deliver?
08:31 mircea_popescu yeah, because they deposit to mm.
08:31 mircea_popescu (c) The Market Maker will make a deposit of BTC with the Exchange, on the basis of which the Exchange will create a number of X.EUR contracts in the Market Maker's account, by the criterion of the weighted spot price rounded to the lowest 10.
08:32 lyspooner so if you choose 5 market makers for the product, each with their own delivery specification, the buyer of the contract faces all of the different mm's
08:32 mircea_popescu and
08:32 mircea_popescu (a) The Market Maker will immediately notify the Exchange should observance of the terms of this contract become impossible for the future. Should such notification be received, the Exchange will distribute the Market Maker's deposit to contract holders, in proportion of the number of contracts they hold but not in excess of the implied spot value rounded to the lowest 10. This distribution will constitute the sole rem
08:32 mircea_popescu edy for contract holders from the part of the Exchange.
08:33 mircea_popescu lyspooner that is one way to run it. there's no guarantee it'll be the way it's run.
08:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC
08:34 lyspooner so if i buy 1000 contracts at .0015 and the future expires at 10,000,000 eur on the final settlement day, and the short can't give me 10 billion euros, what do i get?
08:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00298 = 0.1937 BTC [+]
08:35 mircea_popescu 1000 contracts = 1000 euros
08:35 mircea_popescu how can't he not give you 1000 euros ?
08:35 lyspooner ah ok, i've been look at icbit too long
08:35 mircea_popescu it rots the brain.
08:35 lyspooner indeed
08:35 mircea_popescu we do things right for a reason.
08:36 lyspooner there's still something gross about the delivery specs being different from mm to mm
08:36 mircea_popescu no there isn't. you've been looking at eurodollars too long.
08:36 mircea_popescu embrace free market.
08:37 lyspooner imagine i buy 100 contracts while there is a single market-maker, davout, because i am comfortable with his terms of delivery
08:37 mircea_popescu anyway, the mm deposit could have been in either of the pair, but btc seems safer.
08:37 mircea_popescu admittedly there could still exist an edge case where the mm splits and the holders book a loss
08:37 mircea_popescu but it seems really edgy.
08:38 mircea_popescu lyspooner certainly all changes are announced before the contract trades. this is sacred.
08:38 lyspooner you couldn't allow a second market-maker
08:38 lyspooner mid-trading
08:39 lyspooner in the case where the mm splits or dies or forgets everything or worse, then the longs eat the crap
08:40 mircea_popescu well suppose the mm gets 1mn contracts, by depositing 1560 btc.
08:40 mircea_popescu he sells those, and then runs off
08:40 mircea_popescu people get 0.00156 btc per held contract.
08:40 mircea_popescu that COULD be worthless, obviously. and it'll have to be accounted for.
08:41 mircea_popescu still, on one hand it's a much better liquidation event than either the best or the most recent non-mpex liquidation event, on one hand
08:41 mircea_popescu and it's practically better than the alternative (hold 1mn euros which also COULD be worthless)
08:44 lyspooner he would sell 1mn contracts, and in the case that bitcoins were worth less than 1 eur and he didn't hedge himself, he would owe 1mn EUR. he would run off and people would get near worthless bitcoins
08:44 mircea_popescu it's a possibility.
08:44 lyspooner make him post euros to you
08:44 mircea_popescu of course, what he says is that he's not going directional, and it makes sense for him not to, if he knows his business,
08:45 mircea_popescu and moreover he has the means to go delta neutral as he has ready access to a spot market.
08:45 mircea_popescu lyspooner what, instead of btc ? that's nonsense.
08:45 lyspooner nonsense in what way? it prevents the situation i just described
08:45 mircea_popescu it creates the equivalent.
08:46 mircea_popescu i tell you euro will turn worthless in the next ten years a degree of magnitude more often than btc will
08:46 mircea_popescu at the very leasty.
08:46 lyspooner shorts post euros, longs post bitcoins
08:47 mircea_popescu i'm not a fucking exchange. i gotta pick one.
08:47 lyspooner the good exchange will pick that format
08:47 lyspooner until then you have recreated icbit's downside problems
08:47 lyspooner with slightly better management
08:47 lyspooner and less (?) default risk
08:48 mircea_popescu nah.
08:48 mircea_popescu looky, economy is built on trust and people doing their job. it's not really built on "making it impossible" for people to default.
08:49 mircea_popescu making it obvious when someone defaults and making responsibility stick for defaults is good enough.
08:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00090117 = 14.0583 BTC [+] {3}
08:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00238994 = 0.2486 BTC [-] {2}
08:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 196 @ 0.00239751 = 0.4699 BTC [+] {3}
08:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25275 = 0.5055 BTC [+] {2}
08:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00284938 = 7.1235 BTC [-] {11}
08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.251 BTC [-]
09:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24716 @ 0.00090256 = 22.3077 BTC [+] {3}
09:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC {2}
09:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00090334 = 8.1689 BTC [+] {3}
09:16 mircea_popescu ;;bcstats
09:16 gribble Current Blocks: 275236 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 955 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 1 hour, 54 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1116079088.26 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.86872
09:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14773 @ 0.00090383 = 13.3523 BTC [+] {2}
09:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
09:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25 = 0.5 BTC [-]
09:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.05 = 1.25 BTC
09:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00090354 = 11.0232 BTC [-]
09:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.50000001 BTC [+]
09:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00089975 = 11.0219 BTC [-]
09:58 ThickAsThieves ;;estimate
09:58 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1115862283.67 based on data since last change | 1184576457.35 based on data for last three days
09:58 ThickAsThieves the dream is over
10:00 pankkake :(
10:01 ThickAsThieves only gavin can save me now
10:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00089951 = 4.4976 BTC [-] {2}
10:04 jurov TAT you made out on idiffs like a pig, don't cry now :D
10:04 ThickAsThieves hehe
10:05 ThickAsThieves actually the amount lost here is probly very close to amount gained on idiffs
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10:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 301 @ 0.002845 = 0.8563 BTC [-] {4}
10:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 415 @ 0.00279697 = 1.1607 BTC [-] {5}
10:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.00265123 = 0.1299 BTC [-] {4}
10:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00089803 = 2.9635 BTC [-]
10:39 azoo_ https://twitter.com/Heineken/status/412582896038580224/photo/1
10:39 ozbot Twitter / Heineken: Our vision of the future? Drink ...
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11:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [+]
11:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.04199999 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
11:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25 = 1.25 BTC [-] {4}
11:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00090163 = 22.2703 BTC [+] {4}
11:23 taub_ hehe surprise guys let me raise the fees on my super active traedign platform to 0.3%
11:23 taub_ without giving you any warning
11:23 taub_ because i'm chinese
11:24 taub_ fucking btcchina
11:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
11:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.0008986 = 5.167 BTC [-]
11:42 jcpham ;;seen mircea_popescu
11:42 gribble mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> ;;bcstats
11:50 ThickAsThieves already like 2PH added since last diffchange yeesh
11:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00089803 = 0.898 BTC [-]
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00089791 = 14.3666 BTC [-] {2}
12:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2291 @ 0.00089806 = 2.0575 BTC [+]
12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [+]
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 473 @ 0.05 = 23.65 BTC
12:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02489999 = 0.2988 BTC [+] {2}
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12:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3359 @ 0.00090108 = 3.0267 BTC [+]
12:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
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12:49 mircea_popescu taub_ better than 1% or w/e mtgox was doing
12:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13893 @ 0.00090047 = 12.5102 BTC [-]
12:50 mike_c coinbase is 1% too, although they aren't really an exchange.
13:04 gesell whats the reason for the current crash?
13:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5132 @ 0.00009079 = 0.4659 BTC [+] {4}
13:05 mircea_popescu it's its party and it can crash if it wants to ?
13:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14654 @ 0.0000871 = 1.2764 BTC [-] {5}
13:05 jcpham you would crash too if it happened to you
13:06 mircea_popescu Estimated1002357574 in 1167 blks
13:06 mircea_popescu ;;bcstats
13:06 gribble Current Blocks: 275265 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 926 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1115703052.32 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.82732
13:06 mircea_popescu lol bitcoincharts is a little behind the blox
13:06 pankkake depends on how you compute it
13:07 pankkake it's 1002 if nothing gets added
13:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10231 @ 0.00090013 = 9.2092 BTC [-] {2}
13:07 mircea_popescu is it ?
13:07 mircea_popescu i thought it'd be ~1050 even so
13:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000896 = 5.2864 BTC [-]
13:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0499 = 0.499 BTC [-]
13:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00089763 = 4.4433 BTC [+]
13:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
13:18 diametric seems like the market is in full panic sell mode right now.
13:20 mike_c buffet says this is a good time to be greedy
13:21 pankkake is there a non-panic mode in bitcoin?
13:22 diametric ahh also btc china has enacted a trading fee now
13:27 Duffer1 btcchina not allowing fiat withdraw (rumor)
13:29 mike_c well, its posted on their site that they are requiring identification now
13:29 pankkake well then it shouldn't crash at all
13:30 mike_c heh, right. the gox effect.
13:32 mircea_popescu aw shucks, not a billionaire again ?
13:33 mircea_popescu btc y u so break my haert
13:33 mike_c but now you get to enjoy the anticipation of being a billionaire again.
13:34 mircea_popescu financial sex.
13:34 mircea_popescu now you're in... now you're out. back in... back out...
13:35 diametric just the tip
13:35 pizzaman1337 anyway... when does X.EUR start trading?
13:36 mircea_popescu was supposed to start today. i guess davout is having some tech trouble ?
13:36 asciilifeform new from the seekoority circus! http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002647.html
13:36 mircea_popescu wow f-secure, what a blast from the past
13:37 mircea_popescu all i recall is this dos-age splash screen
13:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.00089763 = 1.0323 BTC [+]
13:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 128 @ 0.00241498 = 0.3091 BTC [+]
13:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00241609 = 0.4832 BTC [+] {3}
13:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.251 = 0.502 BTC [+]
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14:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00089763 = 13.8235 BTC [+]
14:18 benkay asciilifeform: i dreamt about a dataflow soup (using biocomputing elements) last night and then read your Alert Reader post this morning.
14:18 benkay odd synchrony.
14:18 asciilifeform haha
14:18 benkay first i'd ever encountered the notion of dataflow stuff
14:20 benkay i'm a near total neophyte to the execution of code and the things upon which they execute, so your grumpy old man attitude is fascinating to keep in mind while coming up to speed on the rest of the stack.
14:20 mircea_popescu especially if you also keep in mind his age.
14:21 asciilifeform phun phact: i've had people write to me: 'fscking keep over already, geezer'.
14:21 asciilifeform *keel
14:21 asciilifeform 'can't build our shiny new world with yer kind around'
14:22 asciilifeform that fan mail was in '09.
14:22 asciilifeform i turned 30 2 wks ago...
14:22 benkay your prose does have the vitriol of not-totally-bleached youth ;)
14:22 kakobreklaa fun fact, clark moody refused to advertise my service cause it was suspeicious of it being scammy. he does have a mcxnow banner on site, still.
14:22 mircea_popescu herp.
14:23 mike_c tell him your code is C++, and therefore can't be a scam.
14:23 jcpham mircea_popescu facedesk
14:23 Duffer1 hehe
14:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0008976 = 5.3856 BTC [-]
14:23 jcpham mcxnow scam all day
14:24 KRS|Gotyawallet +1
14:24 mircea_popescu what are we voting on ?
14:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07062697 = 0.9182 BTC [-] {8}
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2836 @ 0.000896 = 2.5411 BTC [-]
14:26 benkay no doge on mcxnow
14:26 benkay scam
14:33 dub ;;ud sharking
14:33 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sharking | To pull a girl's panties down in public, usually when she's wearing a short skirt. Very popular in Japan.
14:33 FabianB_ http://www.coindesk.com/china-bans-payment-companies-working-bitcoin-exchanges-sources-claim/ <-- has this been discussed already? am not through the backlog yet
14:33 mircea_popescu FabianB_ in passing. not rly.
14:33 mircea_popescu seems the usual overreaction. no such thing happened as far as anyone knows
14:34 mircea_popescu but idiots love being overzealously silly.
14:34 Duffer1 couple of reddit rumor threads so far, that's all i've been able to find
14:34 FabianB_ they love loosing money by panicking it seems
14:38 FabianB_ the only third party 'payment provider' they mention in the article is Tenpay
14:38 FabianB_ didn't know any of them had anything directly to do with bitcoin
14:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22213 @ 0.00089553 = 19.8924 BTC [-] {4}
14:46 ThickAsThieves they pulled similar shit with tencent rumors in the past
14:46 ThickAsThieves like QQ would use btc or somthing
14:49 azoo what about the just recent news about china banning withdrawals btc to fiat?
14:50 mircea_popescu log's your friend
14:51 Duffer1 ;;ident lino
14:51 gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
14:51 Duffer1 wtf..
14:53 dub ;;gpg info lino
14:53 gribble No such user registered.
14:54 Duffer1 ya i was lookin in wrong chan >.<
14:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.0008976 = 4.9817 BTC [+]
15:02 FabianB_ http://bitbet.us/bet/611/bitcoin-value-will-drop-back-to-450-or/ <-- hehe, if they panick to that level
15:02 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin value will drop back to $450 or below before Christmas
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.0008976 = 5.61 BTC [+] {2}
15:02 ThickAsThieves panic abounds!
15:04 jurov $avg
15:04 mpexbot jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:05 jurov ;;ticker --average
15:05 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is (1 more message)
15:05 jurov ;;ticker --avg
15:05 gribble 816.33325
15:05 mircea_popescu no love for jurov
15:05 jurov .bait
15:05 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/4678fc7e2df00bd8dc4781e0ed288afc/tumblr_mp6aio31LD1s9olebo1_500.jpg
15:05 jurov lol
15:05 pankkake ozbot is being a smart ass
15:08 ThickAsThieves ha!
15:10 sois TAT, Did Friedcat respond on what the issue is with the direct transfer shares from last week?
15:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000094 = 0.282 BTC [+]
15:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00089763 = 12.0282 BTC [+]
15:12 the20year2 jurov: the prevailing theory is that the heart shape is specifically that
15:12 ThickAsThieves sois, no he has not
15:12 ThickAsThieves seem i can only get his attention once each week
15:12 ThickAsThieves seems*
15:12 sois Okay, guess nothing we can do but wait till next dividend or his response
15:12 sois :-
15:12 ThickAsThieves i suspect he'll just fix it and not say anything...
15:13 ThickAsThieves either way i'll square up any divs
15:13 sois ok, sounds good
15:14 sois i sent him a proposal that would automate the process, i'm guessing he is just using excel and manually doing it which must be a hassle
15:15 jurov o looky, http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR&r=1 is on
15:16 mircea_popescu what's r=1 do
15:16 mircea_popescu oh.
15:16 jurov i'll add it on coinbr, but it needs scary warning you need b-c account to settle it
15:16 mircea_popescu $depth x.eur
15:16 mpexbot mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['2000 @ 0.0016129', '100 @ 0.00153846', '350 @ 0.00147']
15:16 mpexbot mircea_popescu: Asks: ['2000 @ 0.00227272']
15:16 ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/16/5216862/bitcoin-is-so-2013-dogecoin-is-new-crypto-currency-on-the-block
15:16 ozbot Bitcoin is so 2013: Dogecoin is new crypto currency on the block | The Verge
15:16 ThickAsThieves wtf
15:17 mircea_popescu jurov well you don't HAVE to settle, you can just sell it back later
15:17 the20year2 wow, petamine already has 3437 btc
15:17 Duffer1 .........................
15:17 Duffer1 more than they'll ever actually mine
15:17 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1/0.0016129
15:17 gribble 620.001240002
15:17 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1/0.00227272
15:17 gribble 440.001408005
15:18 mircea_popescu $depth O.USD.C110T
15:18 mpexbot mircea_popescu: O.USD.C110T Bids: ['1000 @ 1e-08', '1000 @ 1e-08']
15:18 mpexbot mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.00627926', '1000 @ 0.00627947', '5 @ 0.025']
15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6559 @ 0.00089573 = 5.8751 BTC [-]
15:19 the20year2 i'm sure
15:19 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00627926 * 110 + 110
15:19 gribble 110.6907186
15:19 mircea_popescu uh no
15:20 jurov ;;bc,convert eur
15:20 gribble 1 BTC = 749.9 USD = 544.80235 eur
15:20 mircea_popescu $depth O.USD.C065T
15:20 mpexbot mircea_popescu: O.USD.C065T Bids: ['1000 @ 0.01591501', '1000 @ 0.01591501']
15:20 mpexbot mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.02752279', '1000 @ 0.02752286']
15:21 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.01591501 / 0.02752279 - 0.0016129 / 0.00227272
15:21 gribble -0.131429844848
15:21 mircea_popescu whadda ya know. option spreads are narrow.
15:22 davout ohai
15:22 davout such future contract
15:22 davout much spread
15:22 mircea_popescu much spread
15:22 mircea_popescu lol
15:22 jurov wow
15:22 davout wow
15:22 mircea_popescu owo
15:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4370 @ 0.00089622 = 3.9165 BTC [+] {2}
15:23 kakobreklaa much spread
15:24 mircea_popescu small amount of late, kako :D
15:24 davout large amount of 'a'
15:24 kakobreklaa large amount of lag to somaila
15:24 mircea_popescu such internweb.
15:26 mircea_popescu Duffer1 the20year2 have 3.5k according tp what/who ?
15:26 the20year2 ?
15:27 the20year2 according to havelock's chart
15:27 mircea_popescu http://www.cryptx.com/peta-mine/ < this thing ?
15:27 ozbot PETA-MINE | CryptX
15:29 Duffer1 wow they really have raised 3400 btc
15:29 Duffer1 https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=PETA
15:29 ThickAsThieves hard to know
15:30 ThickAsThieves even harder to care
15:30 Duffer1 i can't imagine that will ever rio
15:30 Duffer1 roi
15:30 mircea_popescu "CryptX has a contract with Cointerra"
15:30 mircea_popescu where's the cxontract
15:30 the20year2 course not
15:30 mircea_popescu these people never heard of signatures etc ?
15:30 the20year2 And it's a sweet deal for the mining company......the cost to provide those GH goes down every day
15:31 the20year2 I always laugh at how these companies are set up, i've gone overboard with mine, and no one cares
15:31 mircea_popescu anyway, pmb version 50. why even.
15:32 Duffer1 worse than a pmb
15:32 Duffer1 only 65% equity on offer
15:32 Duffer1 those assholes have gone overboard with that one
15:32 the20year2 they retain 65% or selling 65?
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00090107 = 17.8412 BTC [+] {2}
15:33 Duffer1 they retain 35% of divs because..
15:33 the20year2 If you were the issuer , why not? Investors typically don't read the T &C , and if they do, few understand it
15:33 mircea_popescu the20year2 and then you list the crap and get called a scam and don't understand why.
15:33 the20year2 I retain 35% of my divs too, but then I ponied up $30k+ into the fund :D
15:33 mircea_popescu who was asking me earlier ?
15:33 the20year2 Who cares if they get called a scam? They've already pocketed 2.8m in investments
15:34 the20year2 makes me wish i'd of asked for 5k bitcoins instead of the 700
15:34 Duffer1 what's your project the20?
15:34 the20year2 buying income producing real estate with bitcoins
15:34 Duffer1 oohh right
15:34 mircea_popescu stealing 2.8mn from idiots does not make the stolen funds investments.
15:35 the20year2 is it theft if they willingly hand it over?
15:35 Duffer1 fleecing the ignorant is little better than theft imo
15:35 ThickAsThieves ...
15:35 mircea_popescu it's not a business.
15:35 mircea_popescu whatever it is.
15:36 Vexual courts oft call it theft
15:36 Duffer1 it's not intended to benefit the investor so i'd call that a scam, maybe not "theft"
15:36 ThickAsThieves last i checked, taking candy from babies wasn't good for the rep
15:36 the20year2 *Hopefully* the end result will be smarter investors
15:37 mircea_popescu it usually is.
15:37 ThickAsThieves it's a tsunami of dumb tho
15:37 Duffer1 smarter, broke, investors hehe
15:37 ThickAsThieves good luck
15:37 deadweasel knowledge is valuable :)
15:37 mircea_popescu ;;genrate 240000000
15:37 gribble The expected generation output, at 240000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 908350862.437, is 132.875487804 BTC per day and 5.5364786585 BTC per hour.
15:37 mircea_popescu did i get the 0s right ?
15:38 mircea_popescu 240 th they say they're deploying, selling the lot for 50k btc.
15:38 ThickAsThieves ;;nethash
15:38 gribble 8658640.6558
15:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11330 @ 0.00089857 = 10.1808 BTC [-]
15:39 the20year2 how long to set up the 240th?
15:39 mircea_popescu will hit even in 300 days of constant difficulty. also known as never.
15:39 mircea_popescu the20year2 two weeks from january.
15:39 the20year2 nice
15:39 the20year2 I wonder what kind of facility they're in
15:39 the20year2 My brother's looking at local warehouses/factories to deploy in, and the cost for setup and time involved is immense
15:39 the20year2 It's not like you can just find a datacenter and say "hey let me put my stuff in there"
15:39 mircea_popescu well savage family has some free space.
15:40 mircea_popescu Bitmine ever deliver anything so far ?
15:40 Duffer1 a bunch of spam mail to my inbox but that's about it
15:41 Duffer1 no i'm not sure if they've actually shipped though
15:41 mircea_popescu so basically this is a 25% actual rigs (from cointerra) and 75% vaporware.
15:41 mircea_popescu deal gets better and better.
15:41 the20year2 Nice
15:41 ThickAsThieves sounds a lot like ActM
15:41 mircea_popescu who's behind this ?
15:41 mircea_popescu yeah, it does.
15:41 mircea_popescu and the mo is quite similar, too.
15:42 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=215431.0
15:42 ozbot Official Avalon mining rig clones thread from bitmine.ch (NOW SHIPPING)
15:42 mircea_popescu some guy, giorgiomassa
15:42 mircea_popescu which is an italian name. making avalon clones.
15:42 mircea_popescu now how does he do that ?
15:42 the20year2 coinlab money?
15:44 ThickAsThieves he used the ghosted Avalon chips
15:44 ThickAsThieves uses*
15:44 ThickAsThieves (not srs)
15:44 mircea_popescu is it this guy ? http://www.massarotto.com/
15:45 ThickAsThieves dunno
15:45 mircea_popescu ok so basically they mostly delivered an avalon clone on a 9 month schedule, and announced a 28nm process on a 3 month schedule late sept.
15:46 mircea_popescu so maybe they deliver, in the summer.
15:46 ThickAsThieves like bfl monarchs
15:47 ThickAsThieves i still have my email spam from them
15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00089815 = 3.413 BTC [-]
15:47 ThickAsThieves promising xmas delivery
15:47 mircea_popescu xmas delivery is a thing.
15:47 mircea_popescu "Even with weights, allowing a diff bet to be open to bets till so close to the resolution date, enormously reduces the incentive to bet until it is an obvious call and thus limits the size of the bets to a few eager early beters plus roughly double the late skimmers. No money in between an thus smaller overall rollers."
15:47 mircea_popescu does this guy have a point ?
15:48 ThickAsThieves yes
15:48 jurov kinda yes
15:48 mircea_popescu so then what dio you do, have all these bets you can't bet on ?
15:48 mircea_popescu cause they closed last week and resolve in a month ?
15:48 ThickAsThieves more curvy weight loss
15:49 jurov no, all the bets i can bet, but have weight like 50k or 30k
15:49 mircea_popescu jurov huh ?
15:49 kakobrekla [21:49:25] <ThickAsThieves> more curvy weight loss
15:49 jurov yes, updating the curve could help
15:49 kakobrekla you need more fat for more cuvers you know
15:49 kakobrekla curves
15:49 Vexual .bait
15:49 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhd6p65yj1qdxglyo1_1280.jpg
15:49 ThickAsThieves you know what i mean tho?
15:50 ThickAsThieves weight needs to drop off harder
15:50 kakobrekla you like fat women?
15:50 kakobrekla ah
15:50 ThickAsThieves the curve
15:50 mike_c not sure that's any different than just closing early
15:50 ThickAsThieves it let speople bet
15:50 mircea_popescu not only what mike_c said, but also... then how do you specify the curve.
15:50 Vexual risk and reward
15:51 ThickAsThieves of course then you run into the other issue of letting people make losing winning bers
15:51 ThickAsThieves bets*
15:51 mircea_popescu yeah.
15:51 ThickAsThieves what if weight was 'spent'
15:52 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
15:52 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
15:52 mircea_popescu i can't even follow the guy's idea
15:52 mircea_popescu what has materially changed in that bet since a month ago ?
15:52 mircea_popescu it's still pretty wild.
15:54 jurov hm, there should exist some curve how the prediction accuracy increases over time for natural phenomena
15:54 ThickAsThieves if they keep adding PHs every week that bet...
15:54 jurov and weight would be inverse of it
15:54 jurov and i strongly dount that curve is linear
15:55 ThickAsThieves pretty good assumption
15:56 mike_c i'm warming up to the 'spend weight' idea
15:56 mircea_popescu jurov just do a historical average of all science ?
15:56 jurov can't black-scholes be applied?
15:56 mircea_popescu mike_c i dunno what it'd be
15:56 mircea_popescu explain it ?
15:56 ThickAsThieves something like,
15:56 mike_c it puts something of a cap on the bets, but whatever.
15:56 mike_c like, you bet 50btc, the weight drops 50k
15:56 ThickAsThieves you start with 100,000 weight
15:56 Vexual science? is 100% science
15:56 mircea_popescu jurov a nonlinear curve would, of course, have to somehow be communicated to the bettors, which may take 16 months of scam accusations in the btctalk.
15:57 ThickAsThieves then each bet get 10% of that weight, but new bet's weight is offset
15:57 ThickAsThieves by the amount of coin betted
15:57 ThickAsThieves to avoid losing winners
15:57 ThickAsThieves so first bettor get 10,000 weight
15:57 mircea_popescu i can follow mike_c proposal but not yours, and moreover they seem quite distinct
15:57 ThickAsThieves next gets 9000 weight or whatever
15:57 jurov http://weather.mailasail.com/w/uploads/Franks-Weather/Skill-graph.jpg this is for weather forecasts
15:57 ThickAsThieves i honestly dont havce it thought thru
15:58 mircea_popescu jurov interesting...
15:58 mike_c if you "buy" weight, it encourages you to 1) wait for more info, but 2) get in before someone else gets all the good weight
15:58 jurov source: http://weather.mailasail.com/Franks-Weather/Forecast-Accuracy-Limitations
15:58 ThickAsThieves mike_c it's already the case
15:58 mike_c not really
15:58 mircea_popescu mike_c how do you anchor it ? why 50k and not 492 ?
15:58 ThickAsThieves bet early does get you better weight
15:58 ThickAsThieves just the curve is slowwww
15:58 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves basically he proposes to not use a time function, but a bet function
15:59 mike_c only marginally. but if you auction off weight, it changes the dynamic a lot
15:59 mircea_popescu likle the blockchain
15:59 ThickAsThieves ah i see
15:59 ThickAsThieves thats totally diff
15:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5255 @ 0.00089815 = 4.7198 BTC [-]
15:59 ThickAsThieves starting to sound like that other site
15:59 mircea_popescu mike_c how is your idea different from just splitting the pool according to a polynomial (bet sum) ?
15:59 ThickAsThieves where you can sell your bet position
16:00 mike_c thinking it through. i believe it is different because the guy who bets the first 10btc gets more than the guy who bets the last 10btc
16:01 mircea_popescu yes, but his more is a function of the total bet.
16:01 mircea_popescu or w/e, model this for me
16:01 mircea_popescu mebbe i only think i got what you mean
16:01 mike_c yeah, i'll think it through.
16:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00090127 = 14.9611 BTC [+]
16:04 Vexual you're only talking about difficulty bets?
16:05 mircea_popescu Vexual it's where people seem to think they do a lot better at predicting outcomes as time goes by
16:05 ThickAsThieves like that minimum wage one
16:05 ThickAsThieves it;s old but
16:06 ThickAsThieves if it's not on the agenda for the gov by a certain date
16:06 ThickAsThieves you know it aint gona happen
16:06 mircea_popescu i mean to be clear, im not proposing linear timeweight is the absolutely correct solution. it's obviously wrong, life isn't linear.
16:06 mircea_popescu however, it may be the best approximation, depending how the problem is actually defined
16:06 ThickAsThieves what if it's a fixed amount of weight that can be given, then the 'price' of weight is determined by the amount of coins bet prior.
16:06 mircea_popescu the who ?
16:07 mircea_popescu jurov what's that curve even, its not a sine section.
16:07 Vexual a curve from the difficulty estimate?
16:07 ThickAsThieves no
16:07 mircea_popescu he linked some stuff above from weather prediction
16:08 Vexual perhaps the weather curve is plotted from data
16:08 mircea_popescu prolly
16:08 ThickAsThieves any tapering over time would be better than linear
16:09 Vexual add some function to the diff estimate to make a sexy curve
16:09 jurov can't find any supporting maths, looks like fully empirical
16:09 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that can't be true.
16:10 ThickAsThieves i mean that in the starting from linear sense, not saying an extreme taper would be better
16:10 mircea_popescu "any woman would be better than the girl next door. except, you know, a really annoying pornstar. or a quadriplegic. or a butch lesbian."
16:11 ThickAsThieves like said, not meant to be taken to extremes
16:11 ThickAsThieves meant to move the meter
16:11 Vexual u in it for the money or in it for the love?
16:11 ThickAsThieves like 1 bj per year is better than zero
16:12 ThickAsThieves but 1000 is maybe too much
16:12 mircea_popescu mike_c one major problem of the not-time approach is, what if right before your 10btc bet makes it, someone puts in a 1k btc bet.
16:12 mircea_popescu you basically now live in a cloudy soup of "i can't fucking know wjhat i'm betting on"
16:12 jurov 1+cos(x) in the 0,pi interval? but yes, needs some modelling what would be the effect
16:13 mircea_popescu jurov looks too un-sine to be a sine imo.
16:13 jurov insinity
16:13 mircea_popescu ianal.
16:13 mircea_popescu lol
16:14 jurov just throw weierstrass function in
16:14 jurov epic outrage
16:15 mircea_popescu what can math possibly hurt.
16:15 mircea_popescu blancmange. moar like tits.
16:16 mike_c mircea_popescu: yeah, i was thinking about that. but its not like its not a cloudy soup right now.
16:16 jurov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blancmange_curve is moar like tits
16:16 ozbot Blancmange curve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
16:16 mircea_popescu but at least you know what weight you get.
16:16 Vexual popescu curve
16:16 mike_c which is still only a piece of it. because if someone drops that 1k bet down on my side my odds still tank
16:17 mircea_popescu but not more than his.
16:17 mircea_popescu it doesn't give him cake and you penis.
16:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00090128 = 5.9484 BTC [+] {2}
16:18 mike_c yes. not unsolvable though.
16:18 mircea_popescu what are you, an engineer ?
16:18 mike_c sometimes
16:18 ThickAsThieves what if you just offer 4 curve pictures when making bet, maybe in a Edit Curve button, one tapers early, one late, one linear, one like Franks Weather
16:18 ThickAsThieves then you can overlay the curve chosen on the graph pic for each bet
16:18 ThickAsThieves or sumth
16:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.257 BTC [+]
16:18 mike_c steep curves late are the same as early closing imo
16:18 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this discussion mostly started because users can't be arsed to use the fine tuning implem,ents already available
16:19 mircea_popescu not like i won't let you make a bet that expires early or that ends with w/e weight etc
16:19 asciilifeform next thing we know, bitbet gets a scripting language, and we're playing 'Core Wars.'
16:19 ThickAsThieves then mods can decide curve?
16:19 mircea_popescu mno ?
16:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform somethin' like that.
16:19 Vexual you'll end up with a flat line
16:19 asciilifeform what ever happened to the fellow who was going to offer 'pwn by box for 10 btc?'
16:20 asciilifeform *my
16:22 mircea_popescu prolly something unfortunate
16:23 asciilifeform afaik the offer never went live
16:24 asciilifeform he was offering 'get a root account, and see if you can get past my fancy memory partitioner plugin'
16:24 mircea_popescu was it jurov ?
16:24 asciilifeform no, some random face
16:24 jurov nope, i dont give root :)
16:25 asciilifeform pwn contests for btc prize are an underdeveloped field
16:25 Vexual lol
16:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00243999 = 0.244 BTC [+]
16:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.257 BTC [+]
16:26 asciilifeform if the arena keeper is reputable, people will play
16:26 asciilifeform otherwise nobody cares to part with an 0day for a prize that may or may not exist.
16:26 mircea_popescu this is a point
16:26 mircea_popescu i guess roua's accident recently left a hole.
16:26 dub s.pwn?
16:26 mircea_popescu besides, btc makes us about 5000x as powerful as fiat ever was
16:26 mircea_popescu what's apple gonna do, come here and bitch ?
16:27 dub >9000x tbh
16:27 mircea_popescu myeah
16:27 mircea_popescu im kinda looking forward to the day when the old world starts actually paying lawyers to troll irc.
16:28 mircea_popescu i can be all, ha, i was doing this in 2012 newbs.
16:30 asciilifeform there's no possible substitute for arena reputation, though; with the possible exception of holding the contest inside a faraday cage, with the target machine signing messages with its addr key on demand.
16:31 asciilifeform perhaps the game is not being played formally because 95% of the btc community is already playing it informally
16:31 asciilifeform without necessarily intending to.
16:32 mircea_popescu lol
16:32 mircea_popescu i don't think there's possible substitution for reputation generally.
16:32 asciilifeform 0day + lamer -> crying lamer, 0 probably stays 0; 0day + arena -> possibly nothing, 0 is now 1+
16:33 mircea_popescu this was "news" in 200 bc too. i dunno why it's so counterintuitive
16:33 asciilifeform 'you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.'
16:34 Vexual can we have drones with cameras reading keystrokes in the arena?
16:35 asciilifeform Vexual: the arena in question may not be a literal one; the original issue was how to prove that the target actually contains a prize.
16:36 asciilifeform the 'piñata', if you will.
16:37 Vexual you propose to make it more sporting by making it less sporting
16:38 Vexual but legal
16:39 asciilifeform it's a standard 'trading in the desert' situation
16:39 asciilifeform player may (or may not) have 0day
16:39 asciilifeform arena may (or may not) have prize.
16:39 asciilifeform player, by playing, necessarily reveals his hand.
16:39 asciilifeform how to motivate him
16:43 BingoBoingo http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81%20Pro%20BTC/
16:43 ozbot ASRock > H81 Pro BTC
16:43 BingoBoingo Awfully late to the party with this...
16:44 Vexual i still prefer the physical areana with drones, paid for by discorvey channel
16:44 kakobrekla lol wtf pro btc
16:44 asciilifeform 'Just plug in the USB Key and let your computer log in to windows automatically!'
16:45 Vexual then sell your 0 days to market with the advertising
16:45 asciilifeform no one has yet invented a means whereby unknowns can sell secrets to unknowns.
16:46 kakobrekla omg wtf the mobo has dehumidifier
16:46 Vexual no thats the beauty of it, by removing that special part of the whole game, you reintroduce it again
16:47 asciilifeform Vexual: where do you intend to find the fools who will drop their 0day panties in public?
16:48 asciilifeform anyone who wants to show off can do this already simply by using the weapon 'in anger' the usual way.
16:48 mike_c this is really good:
16:48 mike_c http://dimacs.rutgers.edu/Workshops/Markets/pennock.pdf
16:48 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: I take that to mean they'll randomly power up the computer when you aren't using to to see if you found any bitcoins yet.
16:48 mike_c "A Dynamic Pari-Mutuel Market for Hedging, Wagering, and Information Aggregation"
16:48 kakobrekla :))
16:49 Vexual thats what i mean ascii, the area is fake
16:49 asciilifeform planet has enough fake things
16:49 asciilifeform how about something real for a twist.
16:50 mircea_popescu mike_c did the academia folks invent something again ?
16:51 mike_c it's got some good proposals for how to do it. i'm working on the tl;dr.
16:51 mircea_popescu i like this guy.
16:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00090279 = 7.0869 BTC [+] {2}
16:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00090295 = 8.5329 BTC [+] {2}
16:56 Vexual j Applied Meteorology
16:57 asciilifeform if we're doing papers, try this on for size: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hashlife.pdf
16:58 asciilifeform (a bit of a hog, scanned it personally from the original print)
16:58 asciilifeform anyone who can figure out how to apply it to sha2 wins... +inf.
16:58 mike_c how could i possibly open a pdf from someone i know could hack the shit out of me if he wanted to?
16:58 asciilifeform how do you breathe air.
16:58 mike_c carefully?
16:58 mircea_popescu lol
16:58 asciilifeform somebody could've mixed some strange in.
16:58 mircea_popescu pdfs need to die already
16:59 Duffer1 preach it brother
16:59 asciilifeform if jpeg came in multi-page variant, i'd have jpeg.
17:00 asciilifeform tldr version: exponential speedup for cellular automata algos
17:00 asciilifeform phys. d. 1984. 75-80
17:00 asciilifeform (bill gosper)
17:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9414 @ 0.00090012 = 8.4737 BTC [-] {2}
17:01 asciilifeform basic idea is to 'compress' time and space simultaneously
17:01 asciilifeform (sounds weird, but it wurks)
17:03 sundun_ hi
17:03 ll open it in a vm
17:03 ll or use pdf2jpg.com or similar
17:04 kakobrekla NSA also does this for you
17:07 pankkake multipage jpeg is called tar :)
17:08 BingoBoingo Whatever is wrong with TeX for passing documents?
17:08 asciilifeform doc in question is a scan
17:08 asciilifeform from dead tree.
17:09 kakobrekla ocr?
17:09 asciilifeform with pictures.
17:09 mircea_popescu we need a better format.
17:09 kakobrekla dam pictures.
17:09 kakobrekla i like png better.
17:10 pankkake png scans are HUGE
17:10 kakobrekla yes cause scans sucks
17:10 pankkake unless you do black and white with high contrast filter
17:10 kakobrekla mhm
17:10 asciilifeform ok lazy kids http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/hl/hl.html
17:11 mike_c ok.. i think i understand enough to design bitbet v2.
17:11 pankkake when is the ipo?
17:11 mike_c i'll ask havelock. probably tomorrow.
17:12 mike_c basically you buy shares in the outcome (this is not tradesports). share price is based on the current proportion of bets. so buying one share costs 0.1, but buying two shares cost 0.22, etc.
17:13 asciilifeform (should be http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html for permalink)
17:13 mike_c price of shares will be driven to whatever probability is currently expected.
17:13 mike_c so early bettors get better prices
17:13 mike_c and when an event is basically decided, share prices go through the roof on that side
17:13 asciilifeform is this predicated on identity costing >0 ?
17:13 mike_c no
17:13 asciilifeform because what's to stop 1000 socks for buying 1000 shares for 0.1 each
17:14 mike_c can't be done. it's like an order book
17:14 mike_c but the order book is filled with the algorithmically determined prices
17:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00090097 = 9.0097 BTC [+]
17:14 mike_c so everyone knows its fair
17:15 asciilifeform so share 1 is sold for 0.1. share 2 is sold, to an apparently different buyer for, ?
17:15 mike_c 0.11
17:15 mike_c bettor would basically put in a limit order
17:15 asciilifeform ok
17:16 Vexual then it starts sounding like something else
17:16 mike_c but not, because it's not just an open market
17:16 mike_c and there is no market-maker
17:16 mike_c except, there is always buy-liquidity from the opposing side
17:17 mike_c it does, however, allow you to sell your shares if you want
17:17 Vexual nat a bet
17:17 mike_c huh?
17:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 754 @ 0.00241562 = 1.8214 BTC [-] {4}
17:19 mike_c if there is sufficient interest from people i can work up a simulation.
17:20 mike_c the nice thing about is that you don't need a time weight. early bettors get better odds, and it will naturally get squeezed off when the market knows the event is decided.
17:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00090317 = 6.2319 BTC [+]
17:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.09304399 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {5}
17:21 mircea_popescu so let's run through this. bet is gribble's coin toss comes out heads.
17:21 mircea_popescu what now ?
17:22 Vexual do 3 in a row mircea
17:22 mircea_popescu nah, one's enough for this
17:22 mike_c well, i think parimutuel wagering on mathematical things is silly :)
17:22 mircea_popescu that aside
17:22 pankkake is gribble provably fair?
17:22 mircea_popescu it dun matter what the bet is.
17:22 mike_c let's say the democrats when the next US pres election
17:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.09975999 = 0.4988 BTC [+] {4}
17:22 mircea_popescu so what do i do now ?
17:22 mike_c BB seeds with 0.6, 0.4
17:22 mircea_popescu ok
17:23 mircea_popescu i think irl bitbet seeds more like .3 .7 bu anyway
17:23 mike_c now there will be a share price for each one (there are a variety of pricing functions) to buy a share in each outcome
17:23 mike_c but that share price is an integral
17:23 mircea_popescu wait, what ?
17:23 mircea_popescu i got 10 btc on the dems right here. i send it to your site. what happens ?
17:23 mike_c you get x shares of 'dems winning'
17:24 mircea_popescu "x" ?
17:24 mircea_popescu scam.
17:24 mike_c no, it's all math
17:24 mike_c no scam
17:24 mircea_popescu all math is scam. so what's your x on my 10 btc ?
17:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11113 @ 0.00009487 = 1.0543 BTC [+] {2}
17:24 mike_c you will be able to see when you place your bet. it will say "1 share: 0.1 btc, 1 more share: 0.2 btc, 1 more share: 0.5 btc"
17:25 mircea_popescu ...
17:25 Duffer1 it sounds like you're trying to dumb it down for noobs by overcomplicating it
17:25 Duffer1 it = weighting
17:25 mircea_popescu so if i spend 10 btc i get a number of shares you can't specify. wjhat happens next ?
17:25 mike_c it's basically an algorithmically generated order book for shares in 'dems win'
17:26 mike_c i can specify, just can't do the integral off the top of my head.
17:26 mircea_popescu algorithmically generated order books aren't used irl
17:26 mircea_popescu guess why.
17:26 mike_c um.
17:26 mike_c i give up.
17:26 mircea_popescu mike_c so guess dood. weren't you an engineer ?
17:26 Vexual u can have an algo gen weighting curve tho, dont even need to update faq
17:26 mircea_popescu that was quick ;/
17:26 mike_c in my mind it works. i may not be explaining correctly
17:27 mircea_popescu just guess the value of the integral, it won't kill you .not like it's a binding contract or anything
17:27 mircea_popescu just a little numerical analysis
17:27 mike_c ok, lemme figure it.
17:27 mircea_popescu now he goes all taylor on it i bet
17:27 mircea_popescu (1st share 1 btc, 2nd share 1.3 btc etc ftr)
17:28 mike_c if i guess the bridge will fall down when you drive over it.
17:28 mircea_popescu so ?
17:28 mircea_popescu we're trying to see how that'd go atm
17:29 mike_c m = M1[e^(n\n2) - 1]
17:29 mike_c gimme a sec :)
17:29 mircea_popescu e ?
17:29 mircea_popescu why not pi.
17:29 mike_c yes
17:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00239999 = 0.24 BTC [-]
17:32 sbp Bill Gosper's paper is also at https://www.lri.fr/~filliatr/m1/gol/gosper-84.pdf
17:32 sbp some C code here, haven't tried it: http://dotat.at/prog/life/hashlife.c
17:33 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352830.0 << check out the paperwork that went into a
17:33 ozbot Fudda'd by muddafudda
17:33 mircea_popescu 5 ltc dispute
17:33 mircea_popescu now we know it's the end of the world.
17:34 mike_c ok ok
17:34 mike_c wag: you would get about as many shares as 0.7 has (if 0.7 was on dems)
17:35 mike_c so coming in and dropping 10btc on a bet with only 0.3 on the other side, not so great.
17:35 mike_c just like bbv1
17:36 mircea_popescu bbv1 is neutral on thsi score. if someone buys the other side later it lifts you up
17:36 mircea_popescu does your thing lift me up ?
17:36 mike_c as would this. you are buying shares in dems. later, money comes in on reps, your intrinsic share value goes up
17:36 mircea_popescu aite, so let's try it. since you're somehow decided it must be 0.1s for some reason, i put 0.5 on dems. what's that do ?
17:37 mike_c you get half as many as the 0.7 has
17:37 mircea_popescu so i get 5, say.
17:38 mike_c um, 3.5 to his 7, yes
17:38 mircea_popescu ok. now, i come and put 0.7 on dems. what's this do ?
17:38 mike_c you get like 1 share
17:38 mircea_popescu aite. so dems side is now 3 (opresumably) + 3.5 + .95 shares
17:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07012307 = 0.9116 BTC [-] {5}
17:39 mircea_popescu and .3 + .5 + .7 = 1.5 btc
17:39 mircea_popescu right ?
17:40 mike_c er, heres my math: shares: (7 + 3.5 + 1) = 11.5 shares (0.7 + 0.5 + 0.7) = 1.9 btc on dems
17:40 mircea_popescu o o ok i see. i mixed the .3 and .7 aite
17:40 mircea_popescu so now obama comes and dumps 10 btc on reps. cause he's hedging.
17:40 mircea_popescu how many shares does this buy him ?
17:44 mike_c ~40
17:44 mike_c with BB having seeded 3 shares
17:44 mircea_popescu aite.
17:44 mircea_popescu now, the reps lose, obviously.
17:45 mircea_popescu how do you split the 10.3 ?
17:45 mike_c company decision. it can be done so that all the money is split, or only the losers money.
17:45 mike_c er, so you said the losers
17:47 mike_c 0.7 early -> 6.26 0.5 mid -> 3.13 0.7 late -> 0.9
17:48 mircea_popescu even if these could be within five minutes of each other ?
17:48 mike_c yes. that's the beauty.
17:48 mircea_popescu so any new bet is basically a landrush to buy the early shares ?
17:49 mircea_popescu basically to extract value out of this scheme all you need to know is your avg volume
17:49 mike_c not exactly. the bet should always, throughout its lifetime, float around its current probability
17:49 mike_c and if you see an imbalance, you are incented to act quickly
17:50 mircea_popescu but if i know that a certain bet will reach say 200 btc total wagered
17:50 mike_c whereas right now an imbalance means nothing
17:50 mircea_popescu then as long as the odds are 10:1 or less i am safe buying 10 btc each side, cheap shares
17:50 mike_c first off, that is currently the situation with BB. betting early on a high volume bet is a guaranteed win.
17:51 asciilifeform unrelated: crypto-auction! https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/KNkFS_34P_I/RQmpPTkP2tcJ
17:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00090244 = 13.1305 BTC [-]
17:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.0248 = 0.992 BTC [-]
17:51 mike_c but shares do not devalue with time in this scheme.
17:51 mike_c that is, say the situation went differently.
17:51 mike_c 0.7 on dems, then 10 on reps
17:51 mike_c now i can buy profitable dem shares again
17:51 mike_c and am incented to do so quickly, before someone else does
17:52 mike_c so the right time to bet is when i feel the odds are wrong, which isn't really the case right now
17:52 mircea_popescu suppose i send 1 btc, ion the reps, and discover i didn't get 8 shares but .7 because someone put 10btc in 10 minutes before me.
17:53 mircea_popescu i now go to the forum and open a scam thread, saying you put the 10 btc
17:53 mircea_popescu what do you do ?
17:53 mike_c you basically put in a limit order. "buy up to 10btc of shares at up to 0.2 each"
17:54 mike_c nobody unhappy, because if that whale gets in before you, you just don't get filled
17:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21331 @ 0.00090148 = 19.2295 BTC [-] {2}
17:54 mike_c and now you bet the other side.
17:54 mircea_popescu ...
17:54 mike_c it's right. i feel it. i'll build a simulation.
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00089511 = 0.8951 BTC [-]
17:55 mike_c unless something seems way off to you. like the idea of putting in a limit order.
17:56 mircea_popescu i just gave an example
17:56 mircea_popescu what do you do in that case ?
17:58 mike_c you have to refund I guess. I'm on bitbet, i say "i want 10btc of dems at up to 0.2 per share". You generate an address and in your DB mark it as a limit order at 0.2. if you can only fill 5btc of it you have to send the other 5 back..
17:59 mircea_popescu this will be a pain to run.
17:59 mircea_popescu moving on : how do you sort within a block ?
17:59 mircea_popescu say both me and kako send in block 275000. who goes in first ?
18:00 mike_c yes.. well, JD creamed satoshi-dice because having an account has advantages :)
18:00 mike_c lemme think on sorting.
18:00 mike_c same block, sort by bet time?
18:00 thestrin1puller mircea_popescu: when you retrieve depth stat and matches to json stat, no? So is it possibly to just take current top ask/bid depth value and translate it into market buy or market sell?
18:00 thestrin1puller i'm sure this has been asked before so I apologize
18:01 mircea_popescu well sure it is, bash/python/we you use
18:01 mircea_popescu mike_c the time value is iffy
18:01 mike_c i meant bet time on BitBet, but you reuse addresses, so you won't always have that.
18:01 mircea_popescu (depending who mines the block the same exact tx can end up with diff timestamps)
18:02 mircea_popescu like say pool x could mine me before kako, and pool y could mine kako before me
18:02 mike_c ah, block time isn't dependable?
18:02 mircea_popescu nope.
18:02 mircea_popescu in the best case is "when we heard the tx"
18:03 mircea_popescu or, what the node that told us the tx said
18:03 mircea_popescu or, what the user making the tx said the time was
18:03 mircea_popescu or we
18:03 mircea_popescu the blockchain exists in the first place because time isnt reliable.
18:03 mircea_popescu otherwise we'd just use timestamps
18:04 mike_c this may not be possible without accounts.. which i guess makes it no good for BB.
18:05 mircea_popescu how do you time accounts ?
18:05 mike_c i mean like having balances on BB
18:05 mircea_popescu even so ?
18:05 mike_c ala JD
18:05 mike_c then its the same as mpex
18:05 mircea_popescu jd isn't a mega concurrency engine. ppl bet the house
18:05 mircea_popescu that may be a little expensive to make.
18:06 mike_c except the order of magnitude is lower
18:06 thestrin1puller ;;ticker
18:06 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 740.0, Best ask: 743.28947, Bid-ask spread: 3.28947, Last trade: 740.0, 24 hour volume: 40151.84292354, 24 hour low: 714.11, 24 hour high: 928.0, 24 hour vwap: 800.48436
18:06 mike_c so it doesn't need to be mpex
18:08 mircea_popescu honestly i dun see myself using it, sounds like a sort of bettrade w/e that thing was called, except with a perhaps very broken auto-mm tacked on
18:08 mike_c the mm is just a help to see what you're getting.
18:09 mike_c similar to the calculator on BB right now
18:09 mircea_popescu if you're gonna do that may as well just make it the thing, let people trade shares.
18:09 mircea_popescu or for that matter invest in zh's darling, i forget what it was called.
18:09 thestrin1puller mircea_popescu: on "stat" call
18:09 thestrin1puller do you get back every transaction you've ever made?
18:09 mircea_popescu since last stat.
18:09 mircea_popescu or an hour prior or something like that
18:09 Bunnyh how about sorting bets in the same block by creation time of betting addresses?
18:10 thestrin1puller oh wow
18:10 mircea_popescu Bunnyh he wants accts i thought
18:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8026 @ 0.00089501 = 7.1834 BTC [-] {2}
18:11 mike_c if it can be done without accts, all the better. just sorting incoming bets is the problem.
18:11 mike_c and the fact that you would need to potentially return money.
18:11 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: so for the "average" mpex user they would need to call stat evert "blah" hours and keep a log of all of them to record every trade/transaction they've made on mpex no?
18:11 mircea_popescu and the fact that you will need a very solid api or nobody will mm it.
18:12 mircea_popescu bbet's interface is very simple by design, but your thing would be sort-of like the rpc call of all time
18:12 mircea_popescu thestringpuller they can call it once a month
18:12 thestringpuller but they would need a "stat.log" or something?
18:12 mircea_popescu well w/e they wish to use
18:12 jurov that
18:12 mircea_popescu yes, if they want to store data they;ll need a filesystem or some other similar implement
18:13 thestringpuller of course, but the user has to record, mpex doesn't have SoR
18:13 jurov thas's why pympex logs by default
18:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.045 = 1.08 BTC [-]
18:13 thestringpuller yea, but I was seeing how the user could see more of their trades in a gui
18:13 thestringpuller like a large table
18:13 mircea_popescu in principle a good client logs.
18:14 thestringpuller and stat only shows recent, was seeing if the user would be the SoR
18:14 thestringpuller if so then user would load previous logs into new client
18:14 thestringpuller then have all trade data for that account
18:15 mike_c if this were a simple problem we wouldn't be talking about it. simple designs are great, but limiting.
18:16 mircea_popescu no argument.
18:16 mircea_popescu still, we use http and tcp/ip
18:16 mircea_popescu we don't use windows or macos
18:17 mike_c yeah, i just feel like we're talking about tcp KEEP_ALIVE and deciding it's too complicated :) even tcp is complicated.
18:18 mike_c i'll think on it some more. and can maybe explain more clearly.
18:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2599 = 0.7797 BTC [+] {2}
18:27 mircea_popescu tcp ios kinda complicated...
18:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.0008963 = 11.383 BTC [+]
18:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 895 @ 0.00240374 = 2.1513 BTC [+] {3}
18:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25414444 = 2.2873 BTC [-] {4}
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19:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18059 @ 0.00089789 = 16.215 BTC [+] {2}
19:07 pankkake looks like bitcoin-central is goxed
19:09 turbo_ac100 hey mircea_popescu, do you want to make someone make a firefox search engine plugin for bitbet? Imagine asigning keyword bb and just 'bb bfl' would CREATE fun - or at least find it.
19:10 mircea_popescu hehe not such a bad idea
19:10 mircea_popescu <pankkake> looks like bitcoin-central is goxed << hi davout
19:10 dub guys
19:10 dub everyone chill the fuck out
19:11 dub http://www.thestreet.com/story/12154966/1/five-ways-to-fix-bitcoin.html
19:11 ozbot Five Ways to Fix Bitcoin - TheStreet
19:11 turbo_ac100 should be half an hour of work max: mycroft project is your friend http://mycroftproject.com/search-engines.html
19:11 mircea_popescu wow dub ty for saving the day
19:11 dub this has to be satire right?
19:11 mircea_popescu unintentional, but yes.
19:12 pankkake "Select images for those bitcoin printings that convey respect and prestige globally, perhaps the portraits of American presidents" unintentional?
19:12 davout pankkake: wat
19:12 dub 5 wayz to fux buttcoin, make it into USD
19:12 mircea_popescu since when does the set of us presidents convey respek or prestige ?
19:12 pankkake davout: oh it's back. it was showing 0€ no trades
19:12 mircea_popescu dub that's thinking outsidda da box yo
19:12 dub they are people that other people have or would liek to shoot at duh
19:13 mircea_popescu dub thb they look kinda like the presidents of all failed european colonies.
19:13 mircea_popescu new zealand, rhodesia, name your pick
19:13 davout pankkake: that happens when the front has loaded, but it' still waiting for the api to answer
19:13 davout pankkake: in other words when we're goxxed
19:13 davout xD
19:13 pankkake hehe
19:13 mircea_popescu lawl
19:13 pankkake so much volume, can't handle it!
19:13 dub too popular
19:13 davout fuck yes
19:13 davout such volume
19:13 dub such success
19:13 pankkake that's what you get for using ruby
19:14 mircea_popescu confucius say : he who fuck yes is yay.
19:14 davout i use ruby
19:14 mircea_popescu no, ruby uses you.
19:14 davout in the berlusconi way
19:14 mircea_popescu btw, who's berlusconi's latest gf ?
19:15 mircea_popescu did he move off the twelve year old ?
19:15 davout some random inmate i presume
19:15 mircea_popescu wait he;'s in jale ?
19:15 davout dunno
19:16 mircea_popescu is an Italian politician, entrepreneur, media tycoon, frequent criminal defendant and convicted tax evader who served three times as Prime Minister of Italy
19:16 mircea_popescu sounds like that place.
19:16 mircea_popescu In November 2010, teenage Moroccan belly dancer and alleged prostitute Karima El Mahroug (better known as "Ruby Rubacuori") claimed to have been given $10,000 by Berlusconi at parties at his private villas. The girl told prosecutors in Milan that these events were like orgies where Berlusconi and 20 young women performed an African-style ritual known as the "bunga bunga" in the nude.
19:16 mircea_popescu aha!
19:17 kakobrekla such spread
19:17 turbo_ac100 "Select images for those bitcoin printings that convey respect and prestige globally, perhaps the portraits of American presidents." o_O
19:17 davout i always want to make yo mamma jokes when someone mentions a wide spread
19:18 asciilifeform anyone remember the american politician with the 'wide stance' ?
19:18 dub palin?
19:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00296998 = 0.1336 BTC [+] {4}
19:18 asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal
19:18 ozbot Larry Craig scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:18 kakobrekla "yo mama has such spread its useful for such spread joke"
19:19 kakobrekla liek dat?
19:19 dub so humerus
19:22 davout kakobrekla: something like that
19:25 dub woot passed 200 pages in my document that nobody will read!
19:26 benkay what document, dub?
19:27 kakobrekla dont read it or else he will have to start over
19:27 dub PoC test for a metro ethernet
19:27 dub so yes, lots of drawings
19:29 benkay i love the documents nobody will ever read
19:29 dub theres only like 25k words so far
19:29 benkay that'd be one of the reasons i bailed on the semiconductor space
19:34 mircea_popescu there's a girl somewhere in a basement, kinda mousty, kinda cute, with glases and b tits
19:34 mircea_popescu READING ALL THESE
19:34 benkay so these gpg contracts
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17029 @ 0.00089346 = 15.2147 BTC [-] {3}
19:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6371 @ 0.00089323 = 5.6908 BTC [-] {2}
19:38 benkay specifically for MPOE/MPEx, wherein it's laid out that bond deposits must be greater than 100 BTC - what is our overlord's process for updating these contracts to reflect the reality of 50 BTC bond deposits, and how would our overlord advise future contract writers to behave when making similar modifications?
19:39 mircea_popescu there;s 50 btc bond deposits ?
19:39 BingoBoingo There is an Alphabet Soup Agency Agent right now reading all of Bitcointalk's posts and being pissed that the guy in the neighboring cubicle gets to instead just read the -assets log and follow any linked content.
19:39 mircea_popescu there probably should be 10 btc bond deposits, seeing how the lot got downsized
19:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo word lol
19:41 jurov O.o benkay you're writing guidelines for contract writers???
19:41 benkay well i'll be damned
19:41 kakobrekla its an interesting topic
19:42 benkay nah jurov i'm just wrong about stuff
19:42 benkay but maybe one day i'll have written a few gpg contracts and can write guidelines for stuff
19:43 kakobrekla i put the variable part of the contract in a seperate part
19:43 jurov smickles wrote some
19:43 kakobrekla i did put
19:43 jurov i then snatched them
19:43 jurov and mutilated beyond repair
19:43 kakobrekla so you end up with 2 docs, one being disposable or whatever
19:43 benkay o hey mind forwarding your snatch?
19:43 benkay (el oh el forwarding a snatch)
19:44 jurov you want to pay smickles too?
19:44 benkay can't see why i would
19:46 mircea_popescu having a variable part kinda defeats the immutable niceness of gpg
19:46 mircea_popescu immutable niceness kinda defeats being alive
19:46 mircea_popescu rock paper snatch.
19:47 kakobrekla like deposit addy is defined in X where X is a time limited contract
19:48 mircea_popescu that works yes
19:48 mircea_popescu or like the x.eur settlement works
19:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 515 @ 0.00089806 = 0.4625 BTC [+]
20:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00089979 = 4.9938 BTC [+]
20:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00297397 = 0.2082 BTC [+]
20:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00291245 = 0.1514 BTC [-] {3}
20:08 benkay !t m nsa
20:08 assbot Things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun.
20:08 benkay !h
20:08 assbot List of commands:
20:08 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
20:08 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
20:08 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
20:08 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
20:08 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
20:08 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
20:08 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
20:08 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
20:08 benkay !t m snsa
20:08 assbot Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
20:08 benkay !t mpex snsa
20:08 assbot I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
20:08 kakobrekla !t m s.nsa
20:08 assbot [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015066 / 0.00016 (11671 shares, 1.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0001011 / 0.00010918 / 0.00016 (508879 shares, 55.56 BTC)
20:08 benkay !t mpex nsa
20:08 assbot I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
20:09 benkay thanks kakobrekla
20:09 kakobrekla yw
20:09 benkay !l m s.nsa
20:09 assbot Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016 BTC [+]
20:11 jurov !t m x.eur
20:11 assbot The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
20:11 wao-ender :D
20:11 jurov !depth m x.eur
20:12 jurov $depth x.eur
20:12 mpexbot jurov: X.EUR Bids: ['5000 @ 0.0016245', '2000 @ 0.0016129', '100 @ 0.00153846', '350 @ 0.00147']
20:12 mpexbot jurov: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.00209999', '1000 @ 0.00217391', '2000 @ 0.00227272']
20:12 benkay i see davout is now posting bids and asks ;)
20:12 jurov if it's davout
20:13 jurov in the beginning there was only 2000 bid/ask
20:13 jurov the 1000/5000 ones are newere
20:13 benkay well someone
20:13 benkay davout i think is obligated to maintain a spread
20:14 jurov that was helluva spread at first
20:14 benkay hella spreaaaad
20:14 mircea_popescu still kinda wide
20:14 jurov ;;calc 1/0.00209999
20:14 gribble 476.192743775
20:14 jurov ;;calc 1/0.00162450
20:14 gribble 615.574022776
20:15 jurov ;;bc,convert eur
20:15 gribble 1 BTC = 736.0 USD = 534.9984 eur
20:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04425 = 0.177 BTC [-] {2}
20:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 768 @ 0.00297079 = 2.2816 BTC [+] {4}
20:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.0029708 = 0.3179 BTC [+]
20:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0028505 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {3}
~ 28 minutes ~
20:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8935 @ 0.00089979 = 8.0396 BTC [+] {2}
20:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2560007 = 0.768 BTC [+] {3}
20:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25233366 = 2.271 BTC [-] {6}
21:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3015 @ 0.00089566 = 2.7004 BTC [-]
21:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12685 @ 0.00089525 = 11.3562 BTC [-] {2}
21:02 benkay "the operators of bitcoin" oh my lols
21:04 jborkl Sup ladies
21:04 benkay can't tell if derp or sarcasm
21:05 truffles hey girls
21:05 mike_c it should be on coinion, but it's atcually derp.
21:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6221 @ 0.00089318 = 5.5565 BTC [-] {2}
21:11 mircea_popescu the operators of bitcoin, twisted instigators.
21:19 jborkl Bitcoin is boring lately, I am going to start trolling to keep myself entertained
21:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00089431 = 14.5773 BTC [+]
~ 20 minutes ~
21:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12464 @ 0.00089306 = 11.1311 BTC [-] {2}
21:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1636 @ 0.00089172 = 1.4589 BTC [-]
21:50 truffles dub the dick
21:50 truffles lol
21:52 dub never
21:52 truffles nim thinks so :p
~ 16 minutes ~
22:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7764 @ 0.00089172 = 6.9233 BTC [-]
22:15 pankkake my Bernankoin is going along well, finally. preview of the splash screen: http://i.imgur.com/3vshLef.png
22:15 pankkake just need to tweak the Quantitative Easing function some more
22:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10337 @ 0.0008916 = 9.2165 BTC [-]
22:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.25 = 1.5 BTC [-]
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6226 @ 0.00089574 = 5.5769 BTC [+] {2}
22:28 mircea_popescu http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/16/the-nsa-claims-it-foiled-a-foreign-plot-to-destroy-the-u-s-economy/
22:28 ozbot The NSA Claims It Foiled a Foreign Plot to Destroy the U.S. Economy | TheBlaze.com
22:28 mircea_popescu the bitcoin is foiled!
22:28 Apocalyptic wtf
22:29 truffles lmao
22:29 truffles bitcoin is a terrorist organization
22:29 mircea_popescu pls gib us more monyz, we are not useless. we thwarted a tethan plot to turn the sun pink!
22:29 Apocalyptic heh
22:30 Diablo-D3 the market is down to $700 again? heh.
22:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0249 = 0.498 BTC [+]
22:34 Ziggy9263 Let the lurking begin?
22:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.0249 = 0.4233 BTC [+]
22:34 ThickAsThieves mining is no longer profitable, stop teh hashzorz!
22:35 Apocalyptic TAT, don't bother, you're not winning the bet :)
22:35 ThickAsThieves :)
22:35 Ziggy9263 .bait
22:35 ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbrbz7hSy71qk6jw7o1_500.jpg
22:35 ThickAsThieves an american can dream, can't he?
22:36 Ziggy9263 .bait
22:36 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4qn0j7Prn1r9mvn7o1_500.jpg
22:36 Ziggy9263 .bait
22:36 ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9as1xK4Wn1rb3lryo1_500.jpg
22:36 Ziggy9263 .sharkbait
22:36 Ziggy9263 .oohaha
22:36 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: At what point for you does sabotagine miners become profitable?
22:37 ThickAsThieves ziggy, yknow you can make out with ozbot in private too
22:37 Ziggy9263 OH!
22:37 ThickAsThieves i dont know what sabotage costs
22:37 Ziggy9263 I just saw the 500 and assumed it was the same picture...
22:37 asciilifeform nsa foils plot to destroy us economy! strateegic nyooke levels redmond, wa. please stay out of crater.
22:37 Ziggy9263 It... Isn't...
22:37 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well for a pair of shears and the location of the mains power into a mining farm...
22:38 ThickAsThieves i assume attacking pools would be most disruptive
22:38 Apocalyptic indeed
22:38 ThickAsThieves i hear there's an internet main line in cyprus...
22:38 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well I though you had a bet to win...
22:38 fiat500 ohai ThickAsThieves
22:38 BingoBoingo Does NeoBee even hash?
22:38 ThickAsThieves sup
22:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: botnets are already switching from mining to pool ddos.
22:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Took them long enough
22:39 ThickAsThieves neobee gon hash donuwurry nun
22:39 asciilifeform it's been the case for a while.
22:39 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, interesting
22:39 asciilifeform the best sabotage is free.
22:39 ThickAsThieves i guess i need more hacker friends
22:41 Ziggy9263 ThickAsThieves: So do I. I need to hack more often, too.
22:41 Ziggy9263 I only ever do it at school, lol.
22:42 Ziggy9263 But really, once I have admin on the computer I'm on and free, unblocked internet, at school, then I'm all good, no need to hack more, lol.
22:42 Ziggy9263 But if I were to ever make it downtown to the ISD's office...
22:43 asciilifeform there's more to life than an uncensored net connection.
22:43 Ziggy9263 I'd keep a livecd and a rat with me...
22:43 Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: That's where the admin power comes in, but only for the local computer... Which is nice.
22:43 Ziggy9263 Windows...
22:44 Ziggy9263 I know the password of one of my teachers, and so I log in, open up the console, add my admin account, log out and back into the account, and then I'm all good... After that, I just proxy on over to my server and then watch youtube videos all class period.
22:44 Ziggy9263 And go onto IRC.
22:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16067 @ 0.00089114 = 14.3179 BTC [-] {3}
22:46 Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: I have a question for you...
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1633 @ 0.00089027 = 1.4538 BTC [-]
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 1337 @ 0.00010339 = 0.1382 BTC [-] {2}
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1337 @ 0.00012 = 0.1604 BTC [-]
22:46 asciilifeform prof at my uni, years ago, peeking at a kid's laptop: 'if you play net poker during my lecture, at least have the decency to win.'
22:46 Apocalyptic heh
22:46 mircea_popescu lol
22:46 Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: Internic Network... Reminds me of Uplink... You ever played it?
22:47 asciilifeform ?
22:47 Ziggy9263 Never played it?
22:48 asciilifeform i've never 'played' times square, or the bering strait, or nato, either
22:48 asciilifeform how do you 'play' internic?
22:48 Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: I asked if you'd played Uplink, sir.
22:49 Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: The game by introversion software.
22:49 asciilifeform nope.
22:49 Ziggy9263 Okay then, nevermind...
22:49 asciilifeform played 'core wars' though.
22:49 asciilifeform recommended.
22:49 Ziggy9263 Ahahaha!
22:50 Ziggy9263 core wars...
22:50 Ziggy9263 I played it a little, had to format my computer before I could really get into it, though.
22:50 Ziggy9263 Do you also lurk in #osdev?
22:50 asciilifeform nope.
22:50 Ziggy9263 Ok. Just wondering, because your name seemed familiar...
22:51 mircea_popescu i played nato.
22:51 mircea_popescu it's kinda boring
22:53 HaltingState Ziggy9263, i love uplink
22:54 Ziggy9263 I love it, too.
22:54 dub https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/412769258771189761
22:54 ozbot Twitter / StephenAtHome: TONIGHT: "The NSA is spying ...
22:54 Ziggy9263 I want to get a tablet just so I can play it on the tablet, lol.
22:54 mod6 corewars++
22:55 Ziggy9263 And corewars is cool, too.
22:55 Ziggy9263 Any of you ever heard of PSDoom?
22:58 Ziggy9263 No?
23:03 truffles dub heard about that lol
23:03 BingoBoingo Anyone here see that Scheier is getting pushed out of his "Security Futurist" job at BT?
23:03 truffles and how there are so many narcs theyre running into each other lol
23:04 BingoBoingo Everyone is a narc when exposed to rectothermal threats
23:05 asciilifeform 'hey torquemada! what do you say? - i just got back from the auto-da-fe!'
23:05 truffles ;;ud rectothermal
23:05 gribble Google found nothing.
23:06 truffles ;;google rectothermal
23:06 gribble Schneier on Security: Norbt: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/norbt.html>; Loper OS » Practical Cryptoanalysis of Elliptic Curve DSA.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061>; Amazon Vows To Fight Government Requests For Data - Slashdot: <http://slashdot.org/story/13/06/19/2238212/amazon-vows-to-fight-government-requests-for-data>
23:06 truffles wtf does that mean!
23:06 asciilifeform looks like i might be responsible for throwing that into the english-speaking world.
23:07 bloctoc ;;ud rectum
23:07 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rectum | Rectum. Arsehole; anus; poop chute; where thy loafs become pinched. The place where excretement is expelled from the body in a glorius flexing of thy muscles ...
23:07 ozbot Urban Dictionary: rectum
23:07 truffles so its like a probe but with pcs ?
23:07 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You did indeed
23:08 BingoBoingo truffles: It is a soldering iron in the pooper
23:08 truffles what human would do that
23:08 BingoBoingo truffles: A human who really wants another human's secrets
23:10 truffles thats no longer a human to me
23:10 truffles or at least not a sane one
23:10 jborkl Well I guess it depends on if it is on or off
23:10 asciilifeform what's the sane thing to do? ask the enemy nicely?
23:11 BingoBoingo truffles: Maybe not a person. Human though merely implies species, not the worth of any particular member of the species.
23:11 asciilifeform that's normally done first, in any case.
23:11 asciilifeform '1st degree of the extraordinary question: shown the instruments.'
23:11 truffles torture works on the weak sure
23:12 truffles true believers i dunno
23:12 truffles and most ppl wouldve already spilled
23:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00089712 = 44.4972 BTC [+] {2}
23:12 asciilifeform choice was whether to spill before or after the smell of sizzling arse fills the room.
23:13 fiat500 BingoBoingo: BT?
23:14 BingoBoingo fiat500: The telecom he work/s/ed for
23:14 fiat500 he works for a british telecom?
23:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
23:14 BingoBoingo Seems like it
23:14 fiat500 wtf
23:14 fiat500 thats insane
23:15 BingoBoingo Well, it goes well with the he was a government collaborator theory...
23:15 fiat500 the brits are so much worse about personal privacy than the US
23:15 fiat500 eh, interesting conspiracy theory
23:15 truffles what did he collaborate??
23:15 fiat500 where is this news?
23:17 BingoBoingo fiat500: This is just a tabloid source, but http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/nsa-surveillance-critic-bruce-schneier-to-leave-post-at-bt/
23:18 fiat500 ars is a tabloid now?
23:18 BingoBoingo fiat500: it kind of has been for a while\
23:19 fiat500 oh, he was acqui-hired
23:19 fiat500 that makes more sense to me
23:19 BingoBoingo And now he's Departe-fired
23:19 fiat500 lol, nice play on words
23:20 truffles "BT has been fingered by The Guardian" hmm
23:25 deego Did BT like it?
23:26 truffles prob not
23:26 deego Fingered by its own Guardian. That's some serious abuse. :(
23:28 mircea_popescu hahahaha
23:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC [+]
23:45 mircea_popescu some fucktard is trying to sell me some amazon bitcoin bible
23:45 mircea_popescu "over 200 pages the book describes easy to understand, but in depth all the
23:45 mircea_popescu wide-ranging aspects of Bitcoins"
23:45 mircea_popescu written by a bunch of tards i never heard of.
23:45 mircea_popescu what is this world coming to
23:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'd be more disturbed if they weren't selling it.
23:47 mircea_popescu i guess niels bohr also got fliers in the mail about this new way to learn all there's tio know about neutrinos
23:47 mircea_popescu written by our entreprising if dimwitted friends across the pond
23:47 BingoBoingo Of course
23:50 ThickAsThieves lets IPO a book
23:50 ThickAsThieves the history of bitcoin
23:50 ThickAsThieves itll just be the IRC log
23:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00089772 = 8.1693 BTC [+]
23:51 ThickAsThieves this the ending for it.
23:51 ThickAsThieves fin.
23:51 mircea_popescu you know mty logs of this chan are > 50mb
23:51 BingoBoingo I dunno Paper gets expensive
23:51 mircea_popescu that's roughly 10`000 pages.
23:51 ThickAsThieves an e-book then!
23:52 ThickAsThieves even scammier
23:52 ThickAsThieves it's an epic history after all
23:52 ThickAsThieves much drama and tragedy
23:53 Bugpowder just thru chapter 3
23:53 mircea_popescu tbh i think the "only 200 pages" is a selling point.
23:54 ThickAsThieves maybe we need to hire a shakespeare to bibleize the storys
23:54 mircea_popescu storeys
23:54 ThickAsThieves sry storees
23:54 ThickAsThieves parables n whatnot
23:55 ThickAsThieves Mircea 5:12
23:55 mircea_popescu to invest or not, is it wiser in the purse to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous povertah
23:55 ThickAsThieves hehe
23:55 mircea_popescu or take arms against a sea of ipos and in scamtagging end them!
23:55 fiat500 and lo, mircea said unto thee, insert coins to continue reading
23:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02499995 = 0.125 BTC [+]
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