#trilema | 2013-12-06

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00:00	nubbins`	nod
00:00	nubbins`	paul son of bob son of paul
00:01	nubbins`	certainly the police wouldn't abuse this new power
00:01	nubbins`	certainly they wouldn't harvest dna from every single person at every political protest, starting the moment these new powers were granted
00:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02959995 = 0.296 BTC [+]
00:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.0029899 = 0.583 BTC [+]
00:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0029899 = 0.2302 BTC [+]
00:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00078636 = 15.1767 BTC [-] {2}
00:26	benkay	;;ticker
00:26	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1045.71239, Best ask: 1053.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.28761, Last trade: 1045.71239, 24 hour volume: 59162.14677524, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1226.0, 24 hour vwap: 1049.52239
00:28	KRS\|gotyawallet	Colleagues, is there such a thing as a continual throttled dump of sale of btc into the buys?
00:28	KRS\|gotyawallet	without affecting market price much
00:28	BingoBoingo	KRS\|gotyawallet: Sure.
00:28	KRS\|gotyawallet	if the demand is there
00:29	KRS\|gotyawallet	could that be what im seeing on gox?
00:29	KRS\|gotyawallet	something is weird
00:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [-]
00:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
00:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
00:39	KRS\|gotyawallet	ok i think it was my view
00:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34020001 BTC [+]
00:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
00:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34030001 BTC [+]
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01:04	youknowwhoiamand	—–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) mQINBFFGg7oBEADSzyOH2sVbcVhvRXFg2k7HuS9Z0w1KLVRfuYxRTz38m71CUScn 5FWnIn+p0KSY6V8idluT0+7hyn8XId0S+i1JLKUi3kl4WjkLx5EkWisQF6noEloF fMUXwpd8dguRkydNdiAIBb3Ghw6ItGEVr0O22KAQR8O9pPx2UIouO+Z6SeBmzJYC i+TJPce60PZ77OqVN3w2m8RYsgZrRjB8F8dKwW1niTsZ6ZUzac3QFJIKMng7r8+X q7ZqgwKMjpoRmeL5Hctwag0yMURNSoXP7rU5bdC8bDT6NIOImWK1+08DH6Vq8JCU 8e2Zakct3P8sjAAQyx
01:04	youknowwhoiamand	you know who i am and why i'm here
01:05	youknowwhoiamand	you gonna talk or not. 10 minutes and i'm leaving
01:06	BingoBoingo	youknowwhoiamand: Really? that isn;t a whole public key
01:07	benkay	what is this "weird"?
01:07	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: that's your own key!
01:08	asciilifeform	or the first few dozen bytes anyway
01:09	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I know
01:09	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: He aign't got the privates. Think of this a a way of hailing
01:10	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: would be a tad bit more exciting if he signed with it.
01:11	benkay	;;gettrust r3wt
01:11	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=r3wt \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt \| Rated since: never
01:16	BingoBoingo	;;eauth BingoBoingo
01:16	gribble	Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
01:16	BingoBoingo	freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f2fc991490457cde3962ebe7fad562a9fb77854ea305aa08e2be6603
01:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00078876 = 8.8341 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 16 minutes ~
01:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.3350004 = 1.675 BTC [-] {3}
01:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.33239521 = 4.3211 BTC [-] {3}
01:50	BingoBoingo	;;ident r3wt
01:50	gribble	Nick 'r3wt', with hostmask 'r3wt!add8887f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.136.127', is not identified.
01:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.33133963 = 3.3134 BTC [-] {2}
01:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.33100001 = 0.993 BTC [-]
02:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33100001 = 0.662 BTC [-]
02:15	dub	who is that and why are they here
		~ 38 minutes ~
02:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29233 @ 0.00079107 = 23.1253 BTC [+] {2}
02:57	Mayasaurus	r3wt
		~ 32 minutes ~
03:29	KRS\|gotyawallet	r3wt had a bitnode address
03:31	Mayasaurus	KRS\|gotyawallet: does he?
03:31	Mayasaurus	I'm looking for him.
		~ 15 minutes ~
03:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	After China's news some (imo) good news:
03:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/12/05/2342208/this-whole-bitcoin-thing-could-be-big-says-bank-of-america
03:46	ozbot	This Whole Bitcoin Thing Could Be Big, Says Bank of America - Slashdot
03:47	KRS\|gotyawallet	[sic] Bank of America "frowns at the possibility that regulators could step in and increase transaction costs.".
03:47	KRS\|gotyawallet	lmao how could regulators do that? at the fiat exchange level?
		~ 20 minutes ~
04:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00299421 = 0.3324 BTC [+] {2}
04:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.0029949 = 0.59 BTC [+]
04:20	zacm	regulators making things ireggular, as always
04:21	zacm	irregular actually
04:21	zacm	bank of america can buy as much btc as they like
04:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [-]
04:32	KRS\|gotyawallet	all this f'n talk about bitcoin being worth $1300 is gonna fuck us for awhile.
04:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16307 @ 0.00078805 = 12.8507 BTC [-]
04:39	Apocalyptic	KRS\|gotyawallet, why N
04:39	Apocalyptic	why would anyone actually think their valuation is relevant ?
04:40	Apocalyptic	because analysts are so accurate at evaluating stocks... let alone a technology that they can't really grasp
		~ 15 minutes ~
04:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 993 @ 0.00079086 = 0.7853 BTC [+]
04:58	KRS\|gotyawallet	apocolyptic: my thoughts exactly..
04:58	KRS\|gotyawallet	we havent even scratched the surface of what btc can do and with that will come an increase of value
04:58	KRS\|gotyawallet	just wait til africa starts buying..india..
04:59	KRS\|gotyawallet	there is going to be a shortage
04:59	KRS\|gotyawallet	[im speculating] we could look back at this someday and say "I can't believe we used to own and move entire units of btc around.".
05:00	KRS\|gotyawallet	I'm also worried about an unweildy blockchain.
05:00	KRS\|gotyawallet	I'm hoping Satoshi took that into account.
05:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [-]
05:03	Apocalyptic	KRS\|gotyawallet, you're concerned by the size ?
05:05	jurov_	KRS\|gotyawallet: I don't know what is worrying about the blockchain.
05:05	KRS\|gotyawallet	i rly dont care about the size, i just care that its managable.
05:05	jurov_	I built dedicated miniitx machine with celeron 837 and spare 300GB HDD
05:05	jurov_	ant it runs fine both bitcoind and litecoind atand other stuff
05:05	jurov_	at same time
05:06	Apocalyptic	i don't see an issue with manageability
05:06	jurov_	whole setup $150
05:06	KRS\|gotyawallet	jurov: memories of forking come to mind?
05:06	Apocalyptic	slovakian hardware is cheap
05:06	jurov_	lol
05:07	jurov`	what about fork?
05:08	KRS\|gotyawallet	im just sayin i was thinking that the block chain could become unwieldy over time/growth..i admit i dont know a lot about it, but we haven't got to this size and usage yet.
05:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00299633 = 0.1678 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 27 minutes ~
05:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 45 @ 0.05000024 = 2.25 BTC [-] {3}
05:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00299799 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
05:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.0077 = 0.2618 BTC
		~ 44 minutes ~
06:36	KRS\|gotyawallet	cnbc is at it again- they keep dropping the 'B' word.
06:37	KRS\|gotyawallet	Marc Faber, editor and publisher of The Gloom, Boom & Doom Report, told CNBC on Friday he believes a "massive speculative bubble" has encroached on everything from stocks and bonds to alternative currency bitcoin and farmland. He attributed the vast bubble to "symptoms of excess liquidity
06:37	KRS\|gotyawallet	I'm thinking if there are that many bubbles forming and btc crashes instead of rallys, gold and silver is going to pluto.
06:37	KRS\|gotyawallet	btc and precious metals are quickly approaching a point.
06:38	KRS\|gotyawallet	throw in agriculture, land plus stocks and bond securities and you have the perfect storm
06:38	KRS\|gotyawallet	U.S. securities valuations are coming to a head imo
06:39	KRS\|gotyawallet	game over, anyone who wasnt smart by taking profits is broke
06:39	KRS\|gotyawallet	imo I'll go balls deep into precious metals
06:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00078376 = 9.7578 BTC [-]
06:39	KRS\|gotyawallet	and if bitcoin rallys hell, I'll have a chair on the MPEX too.
06:40	KRS\|gotyawallet	gl to all those who invested in zero coin or what the fuck
06:49	KRS\|gotyawallet	(Read More: Faber: 'We are in a massive speculative bubble') http://www.cnbc.com/id/101235052
06:49	KRS\|gotyawallet	Faber also referred to the rapid rise of bitcoin, the digital currency that crossed $1,200 early Friday, as an area affected by excess liquidity.
06:50	twizt	yea
06:50	twizt	mrkts are messed up...
06:52	twizt	the trade in the future is all about massive borrowing and investing proceeds into equities
06:52	twizt	but its not gonna work...
06:52	twizt	cuz they kept rates low and rallied stocks at same time
06:53	twizt	the trade happened b4 rates started rising
06:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.33033334 = 1.982 BTC [-] {2}
06:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.33 = 13.2 BTC [-] {4}
07:04	jurov`	after the huge "easing", what else did they expect?
07:05	jurov`	"excess liquidity" oh my
07:06	pankkake	how is that "liquidity" going to bitcoin buyers?
07:06	pankkake	unless banks are now buying bitcoins
07:07	jurov`	the newly "minted" usd inevitably leaks off banks
07:07	pankkake	well not in my pockets at least :/
07:07	twizt	too much free money
07:08	twizt	if ur a good creditworthy person (ie didnt get suckered into real estate investing pre collapse)
07:08	twizt	you can basically get any loan u want
07:08	jurov`	pankkake: if you sold any btc recently, then in fact, it did
07:08	pankkake	oh, true
07:08	pankkake	I have a loan :D
07:08	jurov`	heh , that too
07:08	twizt	yea like decent loans too with decent terms
07:09	twizt	just everyone else cant lol
07:09	pankkake	including a state 0% loan. I could have had two, but missed it due to bureaucracy (and now it doesn't exist)
07:10	pankkake	but at a point you could get about 40k€ 0% loan for real estate
07:11	pankkake	and my bank loan has pretty much no conditions
07:13	twizt	shit man i wish i could get a loan
07:13	twizt	been unemployed since april, sucks so much
07:13	pankkake	I lost my job a few months after taking the loan
07:14	pankkake	though unemployement really doesn't exist in my branch
07:14	twizt	yea i quit tho
07:14	pankkake	but I was really surprised by how easy it was to get it
07:15	twizt	lol
07:15	twizt	and ive been trying.. keep getting told im overqualified
07:15	pankkake	I hear it's harder to get loans now (in France), but still
07:15	twizt	i apply to jobs where i meet the 2 year experience mark.. still overqualified
07:15	pankkake	never understood that overqualified thing. must be another reason
07:15	twizt	yea def
07:15	pankkake	or they fear you won't stay?
07:15	twizt	was willing to take pay cut etc.
07:15	twizt	prolly
07:16	twizt	but i wouldnt do that
07:16	pankkake	that's what I got in some interviews, prove us you will stay with us
07:16	twizt	check this, i went to interview for a job right (finance/accounting), hiring manager saw that I could code
07:16	twizt	referred me to another job
07:16	twizt	within same company
07:16	twizt	i go for that job, talk to the SVP who tells me they'll create a hybrid finance/tech job for me
07:17	twizt	then tell me over overqualified.. for the job they said they would create for me
07:17	twizt	what kind of shit is that
07:17	pankkake	lol
07:17	twizt	and i cant compete with candidates with degrees in compsci
07:17	twizt	for compsci jobs
07:18	twizt	i could code, and figure stuff out to get things working.. but cant recite stuff off the top of my head
07:18	pankkake	eh, many small companies don't really care about diplomas (at least those where I worked)
07:18	pankkake	show that you can create something and you're better than 99%
07:19	twizt	yea but u know compsci jobs are gonna have compsci kids applying
07:20	twizt	i had a interview yesterday, and another one in 3 hrs
07:20	twizt	crossing my fingers
07:20	twizt	lol
07:24	pankkake	good luck :)
07:24	jurov`	twizt, we need writers, traders, anyone.. not just compsci
07:25	twizt	jurov`: well i was a risk analyst.developer at my last gig
07:25	twizt	was the leash to traders
07:25	twizt	so the programming helped
07:25	twizt	charge of wires, cash transfers, margin monitoring, etc.
07:25	jurov`	why not throw the cv in here?
07:26	twizt	just broadcast CV to random peeps?
07:26	twizt	lol
07:26	twizt	i wanna kno what im applying to first!
07:26	twizt	and for WHO
07:27	jurov`	risk analysis indeed :D
07:27	twizt	u might google me and find out im really sexy and start stalking me too
07:27	twizt	dont want that
07:27	twizt	;)
07:27	jurov`	we're past that point, i'm talking to you already
07:28	jurov`	do you realize?
07:28	twizt	realize what exactly o_O
07:28	jurov`	nm
07:28	jurov`	oh you wrote stalking, i read talking
07:29	twizt	haha
07:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.0031201 = 0.1654 BTC [+]
07:29	jurov`	i can keep tabs on you too, no problem ;)
07:29	twizt	i cant wait to get a job
07:30	twizt	im gonna pour money into my sauce man
07:30	twizt	and be a sauce millionaire lol
07:31	jurov`	pretty unsanitary, if you ask me
07:31	twizt	figuratively
07:31	twizt	not literally
07:34	KRS\|gotyawallet	twizt: where are you located?
07:35	twizt	new york metro
07:35	KRS\|gotyawallet	trying to get a feel for your job market
07:35	twizt	connecticut
07:35	twizt	there's jobs, but usually goes to family members
07:35	KRS\|gotyawallet	did you used to ride the weehawken train
07:36	twizt	nah
07:36	twizt	metro north
07:36	KRS\|gotyawallet	damn shame that is
07:36	twizt	?
07:36	KRS\|gotyawallet	train wreck not far from manhattan
07:36	twizt	oh yea i saw that
07:36	KRS\|gotyawallet	80 mph on a 30 curve
07:36	twizt	that was metro north man
07:36	twizt	the derailed one
07:37	twizt	derailed in the bronx
07:37	KRS\|gotyawallet	oh..been a long time since i've been in New York City
07:37	KRS\|gotyawallet	anyway good luck with that later
07:37	twizt	ty
07:38	KRS\|gotyawallet	check it theres also jobs for bitcoin saw it on a website
07:38	KRS\|gotyawallet	avoid sam
07:42	KRS\|gotyawallet	jurov: you looking for talent?
07:42	jurov`	yes
07:42	KRS\|gotyawallet	I dont even know what you do besides coinbr
07:43	KRS\|gotyawallet	I'm down for whatever, although I made plans since 01 november to take the rest of the year off.
07:43	jurov`	my first "startup" was simpleshell.com
07:43	jurov`	if anyone could take it over, would be glad
07:43	jurov`	have many other ideas, too
07:44	KRS\|gotyawallet	nice, does this fully pipe out too? to other web sessions? devices?
07:44	KRS\|gotyawallet	\| /dev/whatever
07:44	KRS\|gotyawallet	> /dev/sound etc
07:45	jurov`	dont think you have the permissions
07:45	KRS\|gotyawallet	its a real shell?
07:45	jurov`	but if you can annoy aws staff by shrieking souds, by all means do it
07:45	KRS\|gotyawallet	hah
07:46	jurov`	try researching if it's real ;)
07:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	ok thats one of my things
07:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	hardened huh jv2?
07:47	KRS\|gotyawallet	i'll see about that..i have editor, a compiler..nice
07:47	KRS\|gotyawallet	i'll have to start trolling memory locations =D
07:48	KRS\|gotyawallet	did you hear that researchers have found a way to look outside of a vm, like a vmware virtual machine for instance
07:48	mircea_popescu	yes.
07:48	jurov`	that's why it's limited to 15min.. would not be so easy to upkeep otherwise
07:48	KRS\|gotyawallet	not sure if they patched it, but it read as a huge problem, because vmware shares memory, you can grab the memory contents of other machines and even the host
07:49	mircea_popescu	how's the limit help tho ?
07:49	jurov`	so far it was not haacked , only some dos
07:49	KRS\|gotyawallet	i wish i had more time, if theres a compiler and a text editor i could start doing funny stuff
07:49	jurov`	anyway, if you can break outside of aws container, i'm interested
07:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1058 @ 0.00300122 = 3.1753 BTC [+] {4}
07:49	KRS\|gotyawallet	i dabble in security
07:49	KRS\|gotyawallet	ok
07:49	jurov`	i can extend you session if you want
07:49	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/lef99jm.jpg << guess the city./
07:50	KRS\|gotyawallet	ill hit you up about that
07:50	twizt	china
07:50	twizt	lol
07:50	KRS\|gotyawallet	Somalia?
07:50	mircea_popescu	shanghai yes
07:50	KRS\|gotyawallet	dont tell me thats china smog
07:50	mircea_popescu	the funny part is, back when the center was in the west, it'd have been london, or ny.
07:50	mircea_popescu	it is.
07:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1078 @ 0.00301626 = 3.2515 BTC [+] {6}
07:50	KRS\|gotyawallet	those poor bastards are living in an ashtray
07:50	mircea_popescu	bwahaha this takes the cake
07:51	mircea_popescu	mpoe-pr "o hey there you are. i had a nightmare. you and inaba were taking me to the urologist."
07:51	jurov`	KRS\|gotyawallet:basically i think if you add btc/ltc payments, it can make something
07:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4409 @ 0.00301993 = 13.3149 BTC [+] {6}
07:51	jurov`	]currently it's like $10/mo from the ads
07:52	jurov`	but of course, stakes get higher from permanent shell access
07:52	KRS\|gotyawallet	jurov, I need suid on /bin/sh plz
07:53	jurov`	it's mounted nosuid anyway :P
07:53	KRS\|gotyawallet	bah
07:54	KRS\|gotyawallet	just a jail
07:54	KRS\|gotyawallet	with a hook to javascript maybe?
07:55	jurov`	the anyterm does it
07:55	mircea_popescu	stop whining and get your own root :D
07:55	KRS\|gotyawallet	i like ez
07:56	KRS\|gotyawallet	will social engineering work? :P
07:56	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/645/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-5b-before-june/
07:56	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 5B before June
07:56	mircea_popescu	here we go, get it while it's hawt.
07:56	jurov`	to me? dunno, i made even burnside apologize publicly
07:57	mircea_popescu	what was that about ?
07:58	jurov`	burnside was trolling coinbr on trolltalk
07:58	jurov`	some year ago. i just just politely replied and waited for him to repent
07:58	jurov`	so much for social engineering
07:59	mircea_popescu	a a
07:59	mircea_popescu	i recall that, but i think krs meant "gets your pw"
08:00	KRS\|gotyawallet	heh
08:00	KRS\|gotyawallet	i didnt know you guys knew this stuff
08:00	KRS\|gotyawallet	i thought you were all finance propellerheads
08:00	mircea_popescu	your irony is showing
08:00	jurov`	oh and you can actually get the pw. if you promise to take it somewhere
08:00	KRS\|gotyawallet	and finance geniuses i must say
08:00	jurov`	maybe even IPO on havelock :DDD
08:01	KRS\|gotyawallet	haha how are they doing since panama
08:02	jurov`	see the log yest
08:02	KRS\|gotyawallet	jurov i might start doing some thinking about this-
08:02	KRS\|gotyawallet	im seeing a btc hosting provider offering
08:02	thestringpuller	.d
08:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.003014 = 0.1808 BTC [-]
08:02	mircea_popescu	Fifty thousand people signed up online for New Jerseys gambling sites in the first week. That compares with 741 who signed up for Obamacare during all of October.
08:03	mircea_popescu	apparently just-dice is siolid competition for new york.
08:03	jurov`	dunno, there are throngs hosting providers.. offering a shell you can do stuff in immediately it's better imo
08:03	KRS\|gotyawallet	pay per minute hosting
08:03	mircea_popescu	KRS\|gotyawallet there's certainly a market, asciilifeform long wanted a host, i asked namworld for a price like a month ago, still waiting.
08:03	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
08:03	gribble	1017.35
08:03	KRS\|gotyawallet	wonder whats special about this
08:04	KRS\|gotyawallet	i'm going to think about this
08:04	jurov`	no messing up with installation, searching the right packages
08:05	KRS\|gotyawallet	its just a jail that can be rebooted at any time right
08:05	KRS\|gotyawallet	cant mess anything up it comes form an image
08:06	jurov`	yes
08:08	jurov`	the us contractor just recommended me to use niggas.txt next time :D
08:08	mircea_popescu	lol win
08:08	mircea_popescu	you've done your part reclaiming that unfortunate word, ThickAsThieves wouild be proud
08:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00314499 = 0.1447 BTC [+]
08:11	KRS\|gotyawallet	damnit you've got me mesmerized with this damn terminal
08:12	KRS\|gotyawallet	I got it- Run your very own Supernode! Virtual terminal access. 0.03 BTC/hour. http://simpleshell.com
08:12	ThickAsThieves	lol
08:13	ThickAsThieves	i assume he said NOT to use niggers.txt next time
08:13	pankkake	just say you're taking it back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4
08:15	KRS\|gotyawallet	so who here is near chennai
08:15	KRS\|gotyawallet	this term leaks other people's IP addresses..i'm thinking ThickAsThieves recently logged in
08:15	KRS\|gotyawallet	or tried simpleshell
08:15	KRS\|gotyawallet	?
08:16	KRS\|gotyawallet	no
08:16	KRS\|gotyawallet	someone from india
08:16	jurov`	i was actually thinking to publish the IP via ident
08:16	jurov`	cuz i had it running here at home for few years and got banned from freenode :D
08:17	jurov`	i just banned irc ports instead
08:17	KRS\|gotyawallet	might not want it to be persisent, each time a user comes in this stuff should be sanitized
08:17	KRS\|gotyawallet	thanks for including nmap =D
08:18	jurov`	yes that's the idea, everything included... but SYNs are rate limited
08:18	ThickAsThieves	who's spying on me now?
08:20	KRS\|gotyawallet	ThickAsThieves HAH!! You better buy on your call options, time is quickly approaching. I'd like in on that too-
08:20	KRS\|gotyawallet	ThickAsThieves HAH!! You better buy on your call options, time is quickly approaching. I'd like in on that too-
08:20	ThickAsThieves	?
08:20	KRS\|gotyawallet	16:06:35 ThickAsThieves: - You write a 2013 $100,000 call option to your bitcoins, so that I can buy them from you anytime, by just sending you $10 million U.S. Dollars
08:20	KRS\|gotyawallet	16:06:35 ThickAsThieves: - If I do not redeem your bitcoins before 31. December 2013, you get my 1 bitcoin as I lose the bet
08:21	KRS\|gotyawallet	reading old logs
08:21	ThickAsThieves	i never said that
08:21	KRS\|gotyawallet	uhh..heh
08:21	ThickAsThieves	i'm confused
08:21	KRS\|gotyawallet	sure u did
08:21	jurov`	KRS, so lame.. hire pankkake instead
08:21	KRS\|gotyawallet	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2013&bots=true
08:21	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
08:22	KRS\|gotyawallet	whats up jurov
08:22	ThickAsThieves	[08:21] <KRS\|gotyawallet> Which hole does it go in?
08:23	KRS\|gotyawallet	HAH
08:23	jurov`	i was thinking you want to social engineer TAT
08:23	KRS\|gotyawallet	naw but i could tho
08:24	ThickAsThieves	you cant social engineer me but there are surely enough tidbits in that log to sort out who i am
08:24	KRS\|gotyawallet	lmao rly
08:24	KRS\|gotyawallet	so..let me get this straight.
08:24	ThickAsThieves	have fun reading it all
08:24	KRS\|gotyawallet	You can't be social engineered but you sure as hell can be smurfed or hacked.
08:24	ThickAsThieves	smurfed?
08:25	ThickAsThieves	what's your deal?
08:25	KRS\|gotyawallet	oh im sorry i thought you were saying this wasnt you
08:25	ThickAsThieves	what wasnt me?
08:25	KRS\|gotyawallet	you said you never said that but its there in the logs
08:25	ThickAsThieves	i qwas quoting someone else ya turd
08:26	KRS\|gotyawallet	gotcha
08:26	ThickAsThieves	this is what i get for talking to Chaang-Noi I guess
08:27	KRS\|gotyawallet	;;seen chaang-noi
08:27	gribble	chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> ch0000 ch0000!
08:27	KRS\|gotyawallet	;;seen bowjob
08:27	gribble	bowjob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 32 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <bowjob> lol
08:28	KRS\|gotyawallet	simpleshell.com theme is remniscent of my SCO/Unix days
08:29	KRS\|gotyawallet	Santa Cruz Operations had a solid future if they didnt let opportunity pass them by.
08:32	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.220 lol this is going well
08:32	pankkake	plz don't hack me
08:32	pankkake	I'm in here without any protection
08:32	KRS\|gotyawallet	rly
08:33	jurov`	pankkake is ~anus@inara.p.engu.in (http://headfucking.net/)
08:33	jurov`	mhm
08:33	KRS\|gotyawallet	you know you cant dangle something like this in front of me..i'll get lost in here for hours
08:33	jurov`	that was exactly the intent
08:33	KRS\|gotyawallet	i havent slept all night =/
08:34	KRS\|gotyawallet	ill let your imagination let you figure out why
08:34	ThickAsThieves	crack?
08:34	KRS\|gotyawallet	nice when i look to see who's logged in, I'm not even logged in..
08:34	KRS\|gotyawallet	close
08:34	ThickAsThieves	baking soda?
08:34	KRS\|gotyawallet	nay
08:35	KRS\|gotyawallet	thats for crack
08:35	KRS\|gotyawallet	i'm white
08:35	KRS\|gotyawallet	not a nigga
08:38	thestringpuller	#notanigga
08:38	thestringpuller	https://twitter.com/search?q=%23notanigga
08:38	ThickAsThieves	lol i hadnt seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6Hp_Zq3rU
08:39	ThickAsThieves	ZT goes all out with these things huh
08:51	ThickAsThieves	Bugpoweder is that you that bought the white Tesla?
08:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.00302 = 3.926 BTC [+]
08:53	KRS\|gotyawallet	Well done Jurov
08:54	KRS\|gotyawallet	i see you have skillz
08:54	KRS\|gotyawallet	i have gathered some notes and know a few things about this
08:54	Bugpowder	nope
08:54	Bugpowder	I'm kinda annoyed
08:54	Bugpowder	about that
08:57	KRS\|gotyawallet	the newones are tits
09:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00302 = 0.4228 BTC [+]
09:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00314499 = 0.1195 BTC [+]
09:07	KRS\|gotyawallet	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KWwG6gsy
09:09	Bugpowder	MPEX made CNN.
09:09	Bugpowder	http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/12/05/betting-against-bitcoin-bubble/
09:09	ozbot	How to bet against the bitcoin megabubble - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet
09:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 455 @ 0.00291699 = 1.3272 BTC [-] {4}
09:10	ThickAsThieves	we provided most of that guys research in this channel
09:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 542 @ 0.00289061 = 1.5667 BTC [-] {4}
09:12	Bugpowder	holy fucking SP500
09:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 35 @ 0.0077 = 0.2695 BTC
09:23	jurov`	why he does insist on getting long with majority of the btc?
09:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00314499 = 0.1352 BTC [+]
09:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00291 = 1.455 BTC [+]
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09:48	oleganza	I had an idea recently about idiot-proof Bitcoin vault
09:49	oleganza	you move money to P2SH multisig scripts and the pubkeys are owned by your friends
09:49	davout	oleganza: hello!
09:49	oleganza	hi
09:49	oleganza	since it's P2SH they don't know where your money is, good for privacy
09:50	pankkake	coucou
09:50	oleganza	also you can have 20 separate transactions, so when you redeem one, you do not expose all your money
09:51	oleganza	to be idiot-proof, the wallet app should also allow distributed backup. In case you lose your password, you your own backup.
09:51	oleganza	in other words, underlying script (which is hashed into P2SH address) should be backed up somewhere
09:51	davout	oleganza: you'd still be able to somewhat link it to txes up the chain, especially if they all look similar in the way they all spend to P2SH
09:51	oleganza	mix money before that
09:52	nubbins`	salut
09:54	oleganza	so: backing up the wallet on some 3rd party service does not solve a problem of forgotten key
09:54	oleganza	ultimately, it's your friends who can trust you to give you back the back up
09:54	oleganza	so the idea is to send the actual scripts for P2SH to the same friends who own the keys
09:54	pankkake	well, you trust that your friends won't betray you all at once
09:54	oleganza	yup
09:55	oleganza	and you don't need to remember a password. You just go to them
09:55	oleganza	but to preserve privacy, they should not know the script contents
09:55	oleganza	otherwise they will find out how much money you have
09:55	oleganza	so i want to mask some pubkeys from the script
09:55	pankkake	can be done with many X-of-Y backup systems too
09:56	oleganza	essentially it is x-of-y backup system, but without passwords
09:57	oleganza	because i'm trying to solve a problem "I saved $1M 5 years ago"
09:58	oleganza	"and now i don't remember my password"
09:58	davout	how is it different from shamir's scheme ?
09:58	davout	unlock arbitrary data with N out of M secrets
09:59	oleganza	shamir's scheme generates all numbers in one place
09:59	davout	ah that's right
09:59	oleganza	here i need all pubkeys to be created in different places
09:59	oleganza	and never have all keys in one machine
09:59	oleganza	ever
09:59	oleganza	so i can have strong security promise "even if machine is compromised, it can't do something you don't want"
10:00	oleganza	assuming you didn't lost all money before making P2SH transfer
10:00	oleganza	so you can use your shitty windows all day long
10:01	nubbins`	http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51f637eeeab8ea9153000002-480/barack-obama-may-photos.jpg
10:01	davout	so multisig could do the trick, except for the privacy concerns, right?
10:01	oleganza	and backup concerns
10:01	oleganza	privacy is easy: you don't show people your script
10:02	oleganza	they cannnot find your p2sh hash on the chain using their pubkeys
10:02	oleganza	but i want to backup the script with the same people
10:02	oleganza	but still keep my privacy
10:02	oleganza	so i want to give them masked scripts
10:04	oleganza	if the script is 3 pubkeys, then in 2-of-3 scheme, 1 pubkey will be masked
10:04	oleganza	with ******, that is
10:04	oleganza	so you will see "* B C", another guy will see "A * C" and third guy will have "A B *"
10:05	oleganza	this will prevent you from finding p2sh transaction on blockchain
10:05	oleganza	and still, i can get these portions from m-of-n people and get my original script, even if I lose all backups myself
10:06	davout	oleganza: if you manage to find the holy grail of perfect security and perfect usability you're my new god
10:06	oleganza	with a proper UI (which is the whole point), my mom can have some shitty password on her wallet and move money like that to 5 of her children. She can't be robbed and her privacy is good enough
10:06	nubbins`	at the risk of sounding silly, why not just make a multi-part rar, create some .par files, and distribute those to friends?
10:07	nubbins`	ah, nm, don't think i fully read what you guys were discussing
10:07	oleganza	multi-part RAR might work as well
10:08	oleganza	the big problem is how to send all this stuff from the app
10:08	oleganza	so it's easy to use and always works
10:08	nubbins`	well, should be trivial to create rars and pars
10:08	nubbins`	all that's command-line stuff
10:09	nubbins`	so you create a 5-part rar and 4 pars, distribute 1 par to each of 4 friends, then delete 1 or more rars from your collection
10:09	nubbins`	delete 1, then any 1 friend can complete it
10:09	nubbins`	delete 3, then you need 3 friends
10:09	nubbins`	etc
10:11	oleganza	sort of
10:11	oleganza	regarding usability
10:11	oleganza	people can generate keys in their apps like yours
10:11	oleganza	and send them by email
10:12	oleganza	you can verify that the key is good by checking on phone (to ensure against man in the middle attack)
10:12	oleganza	only pubkeys are sent
10:12	nubbins`	PARs would be tiny for something like this, a few tens of kb max
10:12	oleganza	you add those in your addressbook (built-in the app)
10:12	nubbins`	md5 checksums for checking
10:13	nubbins`	"hey bro do an md5 on that par i sent you, should start with abc and end with xyz"
10:13	oleganza	:)
10:14	pankkake	everyone's checking only the start and end
10:14	pankkake	this is so vulnerable
10:15	nubbins`	well
10:15	nubbins`	is it? :(
10:15	oleganza	start is as good as end
10:15	oleganza	then inside the app you create a multisig transaction and choose people and their keys.
10:15	nubbins`	realistically you can rattle the whole thing off
10:15	nubbins`	takes ten seconds
10:15	pankkake	I think some attacks were demonstrated
10:15	nubbins`	ah, would be curious to see that
10:15	oleganza	now your wallet must send to all these people partial backup of this transaction.
10:17	oleganza	simplest way is to go through my server (me == developer of the app), but the backup needs to be authenticated at least
10:17	oleganza	at most, encrypted.
10:17	nubbins`	slim odds that someone would MITM your email and modify your attachment maliciously in such a way that the beginning and end 3-4 chars of the md5 hash were the same
10:17	oleganza	and the wallet apps are sitting behind awful firewalls and all this shit
10:17	oleganza	so i don't want too much p2p headache
10:19	oleganza	nubbins`: so the problem ends with establishing authentication pubkey in the first place
10:19	oleganza	securely
10:19	oleganza	and then signing all interacting with that key
10:19	oleganza	e.g. the guy sends me his key and on the phone verifies half of the bytes
10:20	oleganza	then it's in my wallet addressbook and app can automatically do the rest through my server, or p2p, or whatever
10:20	nubbins`	sorry man, it's too early for me to be wrapping my head around this
10:21	nubbins`	if it's a pubkey, why secure it at all?
10:21	nubbins`	what's someone gonna do with it?
10:23	oleganza	pubkey identifying your friend can be MITMed
10:24	asciilifeform	the phuture: paper 'who's who' comes back. for pubkeys. you read it here first...
10:24	oleganza	and your p2sh script is a list of pubkeys from all your N friends. This better be kept secret from them so they don't know where's your money
10:25	nubbins`	pubkey posters on telephone poles
10:25	oleganza	ok, no per-identity pubkey
10:26	oleganza	it'll be per-purpose
10:26	oleganza	idea: a friend sends you his pubkey
10:26	oleganza	you import it under his name in your addressbook
10:27	oleganza	addressbook chooses perfectly randomly some internal 4 bytes and asks you to verify them with your friend
10:27	oleganza	fairly good protection against MITM
10:27	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: As an S.NSA product? Printed by nubbins?
10:28	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: perhaps one day.
10:29	nubbins`	newsprint is cheap, i could push out a rag every so often for minimal cost
10:29	nubbins`	which of you guys lives in MD?
10:29	oleganza	NSA may listen every email, but less likely to MITM you specifically
10:31	thestringpuller	;;later tell Bugpowder why are they still calling it a bubble?
10:31	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:31	nubbins`	HEH
10:31	nubbins`	because regret
10:32	thestringpuller	On top of all that, this isn't like trading on the New York Stock Exchange. Midday Wednesday, MPEx appeared to shut down, and the prices of the contracts disappeared. I was told this happens a lot. As of early Thursday, the exchange still wasn't listing prices. What's more, after running through my math of the trade with a Coinbr broker in a chat room, with the conclusion that basically the trade doesn't make sen
10:32	thestringpuller	GOD
10:32	thestringpuller	this fuck is so uninformed
10:32	thestringpuller	MPEX wasn't shut down
10:32	thestringpuller	it never shuts down
10:32	thestringpuller	the bot just doesn't quote when bitcoin charts fucks up
10:32	thestringpuller	blame bitcoin charts not mpex
10:32	thestringpuller	jesus
10:32	nubbins`	pretty scathing media appearance
10:33	nubbins`	's what you get for talking to reporters ;p
10:34	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
10:34	gribble	1016.26
10:34	pankkake	well talking to journalists is exactly like talking to cops
10:34	pankkake	everything you say may and will be used against you
10:35	thestringpuller	that's why niggas don't talk to da popo
10:35	thestringpuller	NO SNITCHIN'
10:35	pankkake	$avg
10:35	mpexbot	pankkake: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:38	mircea_popescu	oleganza this sounds like making it more idiot vulnerable.
10:39	nubbins`	putting a password on your wallet makes it more idiot vulnerable
10:39	mircea_popescu	nubbins` basically if i told the guy "fuck you, you uninformed, intellectually lazy piece of scum" in response to his first email
10:39	mircea_popescu	or if i told him "go to assets, figure it out"
10:39	mircea_popescu	the result is exactly the same.
10:39	nubbins`	heh
10:39	nubbins`	nod, fair enough
10:39	mircea_popescu	so basically the moral here is, you can say exactly anything you wish
10:39	mircea_popescu	even random gibberish
10:39	mircea_popescu	idiots will be idiots and that's that.
10:40	jcpham	i think an unencrypted wallet.dat on your normal windows users' computer is like hanging a neon sign in your car asking people to steal it
10:40	mircea_popescu	there still exist unencrypted wallets in the wiold ?!@
10:40	oleganza	mircea_popescu: what's the problem here? How my mom recovers forgotten password?
10:41	mircea_popescu	oleganza idiot sends his pw and his backup to the same frined
10:41	mircea_popescu	starts forum thread about how you scammed him.
10:41	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: plaintext wallets are often used to bait honeypots.
10:41	oleganza	conjecture: people are not idiots, they simply not experts and real experts did not give them proper tools and methodology yet
10:41	asciilifeform	(for collecting '0days')
10:41	topace	bitches be bitches
10:41	topace	good motto
10:42	nubbins`	noobs be noobs
10:42	mircea_popescu	oleganza so basically you're not solving an actual problem, you're drawing.
10:42	nubbins`	mildly circular, but yes
10:42	oleganza	today investing in BTC for a non-CS guru is a major security problem
10:42	mircea_popescu	"investing" by unprofessionals is and will remain a major security risk.
10:42	mircea_popescu	this is not something that can be changed by technology.
10:42	oleganza	ok. I'll go home then
10:43	nubbins`	wait, where are you now?
10:43	mircea_popescu	lol
10:43	mircea_popescu	good one
10:43	nubbins`	oleg just stands up and walks out of the office
10:43	nubbins`	"peace"
10:43	oleganza	i know a lot of mac people who couldn't use git or any UI on top of git until I created Gitbox
10:43	mircea_popescu	but are they more secure now ?
10:44	oleganza	UI expands possibilities if done right. Otherwise it's always "git is only for experts"
10:44	mircea_popescu	cause you're mixing two unrelated topics.
10:44	oleganza	in fact, they are. Where git allows you to fuck up things, my UI prevents these issues
10:44	oleganza	so if you are not an expert, you don't need to go to ask one for help
10:45	mircea_popescu	that may be, but we were discussing idiot proofing the wallet by a share to friends scheme.
10:45	mircea_popescu	this may offer w/e ui benefits, i can't discuss that in the abstract.
10:45	mircea_popescu	from a security viewpoint, however, it does not idiot proof anything.
10:45	nubbins`	http://www.theonion.com/articles/nelson-mandela-becomes-first-politician-to-be-miss,34755/
10:45	ozbot	Nelson Mandela Becomes First Politician To Be Missed \| The Onion - America's Finest News Source
10:45	nubbins`	heh
10:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	what the fuck are these people saying on #bitcoin-pricetalk "its all over"
10:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	lmao wtf
10:46	nubbins`	“Today we lost not only an international hero and a symbol of the resilient human spirit, but also the very first political figure ever who people actively wish was still alive and affecting world affairs,” said political historian Wallace M. Delaney
10:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	did something happen?
10:46	mircea_popescu	get out of here, people wished hitler was still alive in 1945
10:46	mircea_popescu	why all this pious fraud bs ?
10:46	nubbins`	heh
10:47	nubbins`	TBF i missed jack layton
10:47	mircea_popescu	KRS\|gotyawallet yes, a new chan was created a pparently, named -pricetalk
10:47	nubbins`	maybe the only canadian politician i've ever had respect for
10:47	nubbins`	(trudeau was before my time)
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32825 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {2}
10:47	mircea_popescu	personally, i wish caesar were still alive and affecting world affairs.
10:48	mircea_popescu	you know, the one guy who perhaps could claim the first on that score.
10:48	nubbins`	hahaha
10:48	nubbins`	WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR
10:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.31851673 = 5.4148 BTC [-] {8}
10:48	oleganza	mircea_popescu: can you elaborate what's wrong with m-of-n sharing of keys with friends?
10:48	nubbins`	honestly kinda forgot about the onion
10:48	nubbins`	http://www.theonion.com/articles/generous-military-sends-800-in-disability-to-man-w,34748/
10:48	ozbot	Generous Military Sends $800 In Disability To Man Who Wakes Up Screaming Every Night \| The Onion - A
10:48	mircea_popescu	oleganza that the idiot is going to share all the keys with the same friend.
10:49	asciilifeform	what people really miss is not the fuhrers, but the times when they were possible. you think anybody misses Brezhnev, the man?
10:49	mircea_popescu	your scheme relies on the idiot comprehending m-of-n, which is a higher bar than comprehending "this is your wallet file, keep it safe"
10:50	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=357465.msg3851336#msg3851336
10:50	ozbot	Market Depth / Charting Sites for Assets
10:50	nubbins`	the idiot doesn't need to comprehend anything beyond "keep this safe", but if he doesn't comprehend it, it's just as likely to grow wings and fly away
10:50	KRS\|gotyawallet	oh great baidu isnt accepting btc anymore
10:50	KRS\|gotyawallet	markets tanking
10:50	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
10:50	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 994.5, Best ask: 1000.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.50000, Last trade: 994.5, 24 hour volume: 22039.35832478, 24 hour low: 994.5, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1071.32021
10:50	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform perhaps difficult to distinguish the man (who makes his time) from the time.
10:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6116 @ 0.00078466 = 4.799 BTC [+]
10:50	nubbins`	asciilifeform: trudeau is as close as canada got to a fuhrer
10:51	pankkake	at least this gives bitcoin-central some volume
10:51	oleganza	mircea_popescu: the minimum assumption is that user is not idiot to share his password. Then the UI will guide hi through the process.
10:52	oleganza	*guide him
10:52	Apocalyptic	oleganza, are you talking about that bitrated site ?
10:52	oleganza	no
10:52	Apocalyptic	it's so wrong in so many ways
10:52	asciilifeform	giving lusers secret-sharing is a perfect recipe for 'damn i lost my wallet, btx sux'
10:52	asciilifeform	*c
10:52	pankkake	UIs cannot be enough, users need to understand what they are doing or they will fail as always
10:52	mircea_popescu	oleganza understand, i;m not saying this is bad. i am merely saying that "idiot proofing" is not its selling point.
10:52	oleganza	i'm talking about my idea of a wallet app that allows to keep your stash safe even if you or someone's computer is badly compromised later
10:53	mircea_popescu	yes, but you are thinking about it in a very narrow manner.
10:53	nubbins`	http://hothousecleaners.com/
10:53	ozbot	HotHouse Cleaners - Topless cleaners, lingerie cleaners, escort directory
10:53	nubbins`	^ now accepting btc
10:53	mircea_popescu	consider the problem in its proper generality, as the byzantine problem.
10:53	oleganza	okay, i'll rephrase. It's a convenient way to strongly protect your stash even against yourself (getting a malware, forgetting password etc.)
10:53	KRS\|gotyawallet	oh nice i'll drop some down on that
10:53	asciilifeform	luser gives shares to five friends, needs 3. one loses his laptop on the train, two have their disk formatted by crapware. result: no wallet.
10:53	mircea_popescu	what can you do once how many guys go rogue ?
10:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3109 = 1.2436 BTC [-]
10:53	nubbins`	KRS\|gotyawallet: my understanding is that you're not allowed to touch them
10:53	nubbins`	so really you're just paying a bunch of strippers to do a shitty job of cleaning your house.
10:54	Diablo-D3	so whats the point?
10:54	nubbins`	neckbeards
10:54	nubbins`	and wizards
10:54	nubbins`	is the point
10:54	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you have to understand when they say no it's maybe.
10:54	mircea_popescu	the no being there mostly for the benefit of the police.
10:54	nubbins`	and the extreme wizards
10:54	oleganza	mircea_popescu: practically speaking, if you are being nice to people, they won't have huge incentive to figure out with whom you stored the keys and how much do you have
10:55	Diablo-D3	when the fuck did wizard become an insult?
10:55	oleganza	mircea_popescu: if you made everyone hate you, it's your problem
10:55	nubbins`	i'm sure if i flexed my muscular quads at them, they'd be mopping up pussy juice out of the rug for hours
10:55	Diablo-D3	>nubbins
10:55	Diablo-D3	>not a 400 pound fatass
10:55	oleganza	after all, they themselves have some stash
10:55	nubbins`	Diablo-D3: http://mmoqq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/king-nerd.jpg
10:55	oleganza	and want to store it shared too with you and their friends
10:55	oleganza	so it's mutual service
10:56	oleganza	and everyone wants to be nice to each other so they can redeem savings
10:56	Diablo-D3	nubbins`: okay, thats just awesome
10:56	nubbins`	Diablo-D3: i'm barely more than half that weight ;)
10:56	Diablo-D3	nubbins`: so you weigh about as much as I do then
10:57	nubbins`	yeah, more or less
10:57	nubbins`	i'm less intimidating than i was when i had a beard tho ;(
10:59	pankkake	well if I wanted to pay for someone to clean my house, I'd rather have been done by a half naked lady
10:59	nubbins`	some naked slut shows up
10:59	nubbins`	"ew lol this place is disgusting"
11:00	nubbins`	"i can't believe this"
11:00	nubbins`	"i'm cold"
11:00	nubbins`	etc
11:00	nubbins`	then your boner dies
11:00	nubbins`	and you sit in a chair, emasculated, wacthing a bunch of naked women lel at your life
11:00	nubbins`	sounds great
11:00	nubbins`	i mean, if you even start to masturbate, they'll leave
11:00	nubbins`	you know it
11:01	pankkake	speaking from experience?
11:01	nubbins`	nah
11:01	nubbins`	that's just how i imagine it'd go
11:01	pankkake	the sad truth is that I like to clean, with few exceptions
11:01	nubbins`	i should hire you for the studio
11:02	nubbins`	keeping that place clean is a full-time job
11:02	pankkake	I once proposed to do it for free for anyone having a fancy vacuum cleaner
11:02	nubbins`	haha
11:02	pankkake	(it has to be transparent at least)
11:02	nubbins`	dyson!
11:02	nubbins`	we barely have need for a vacuum
11:02	nubbins`	one rug
11:02	asciilifeform	transparent vacuum cleaners... when do we get the: transparent toilet?
11:02	nubbins`	all else is tile or softwood
11:03	nubbins`	if you were wondering, softwood is not appropriate for floors
11:05	pankkake	I have a floating floor that is very easy to clean, I barely use the vacuum cleaner anymore
11:06	pankkake	laminate flooring would be the correct term I think
11:06	nubbins`	ah yes
11:06	nubbins`	laminate is great
11:07	nubbins`	imagine explaining to someone 100 years ago that in the future, floors will be made of plastic with photographs of wood on top
11:08	nubbins`	the only down side is that if it gets wet, it tends to swell at the seams
11:08	pankkake	there are some ugly/ridiculous ones. mine is grey so you it's mostly a nice pattern, not faking wood
11:08	pankkake	yes; the air is quite humid here too
11:09	mircea_popescu	oleganza "if you are being nice to people" that's the silliest thing i heard all day
11:09	mircea_popescu	people's incentive to steal from you is how much you got, not how nice you are.
11:10	nubbins`	in fact, nicer people get taken advantage of more often
11:10	oleganza	if you can't rely on yourself to keep your passwords safe and computers secure, then you can only rely on other
11:10	oleganza	s
11:11	oleganza	you and me are not the same kind of people as our parents, for instance.
11:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform afaik teh japanese have it
11:11	nubbins`	one great thing i saw in japan was sinks in the toilets
11:11	nubbins`	so you wash your hands with the water that then fills the tank
11:12	asciilifeform	nubbins`: those are said to be standard in american prisons.
11:12	nubbins`	http://peswiki.com/images/0/07/Sinkpositive_context_350.jpg
11:12	nubbins`	great inventions
11:12	pankkake	oh, indeed
11:12	pankkake	doesn't take extra space
11:12	nubbins`	nor does it waste water
11:12	pankkake	I need that for mine, no sink in it
11:13	nubbins`	no sink in your bathroom :0
11:13	mircea_popescu	this reminds me of butters.
11:13	mircea_popescu	nubbins` he's french, he has a bidet
11:13	mircea_popescu	that should be enough for everyone.
11:13	nubbins`	heh
11:13	nubbins`	wash your hands while wiping your ass
11:13	pankkake	I wish I had a bidet! that really should be standard
11:13	nubbins`	first time i used a bidet was in a sink-toilet
11:13	nubbins`	couldn't figure out how to dry my asshole because it was all in japanese
11:14	nubbins`	ended up having to use a wad of paper :(
11:14	mircea_popescu	pankkake ha! my girls do and you don't ?
11:14	mircea_popescu	france fails
11:15	jurov`	oleganza, you can look at mycelium. it does export the wallet as PDF + password
11:15	KRS\|gotyawallet	bidets are great, they are also water fountains
11:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1990 @ 0.00301152 = 5.9929 BTC [+] {5}
11:16	jurov`	you can give the printed PDF to everyone and parts of password to each
11:16	jurov`	however, everyone knows the public address then.. but it's a start
11:16	pankkake	mircea_popescu: bidets are more common in older houses, but not really in appartments or new contructions
11:17	mircea_popescu	i recall back in 2012 this site which gave you printed sheets m-of-n, as manty as you wanted
11:17	mircea_popescu	usually needing 3 to spend and 2 to check balance
11:17	oleganza	jurov`: i started by discussing how to do that split sharing but so that sensitive info is never in the same computer at once
11:17	mircea_popescu	pankkake that just shows how the french youth has decayed.
11:17	pankkake	yes :(
11:17	pankkake	they don't understand my love for bidets
11:17	nubbins`	krs lel
11:17	mircea_popescu	we should make a bitbet bidet.
11:18	KRS\|gotyawallet	bidet faucet?
11:18	nubbins`	bitdet
11:18	pankkake	a bébête
11:18	nubbins`	0.001 btc per flush
11:18	nubbins`	er actually
11:18	nubbins`	that won't work
11:18	mircea_popescu	l;ol
11:18	nubbins`	0.001 btc to raise the lid
11:18	asciilifeform	oleganza: if you're serious about the 'never', you need different crypto right off the bat. 'millionaires protocol', etc.
11:18	pankkake	that would quickly prove the tragedy of commons
11:18	nubbins`	in korea, they have public toilets on the streets in some areas
11:18	mircea_popescu	he has a point there.
11:18	nubbins`	you pay money to keep the door closed
11:19	nubbins`	timer runs out, door swings open
11:19	nubbins`	lelelel
11:19	pankkake	genius
11:19	mircea_popescu	haha cool
11:19	mircea_popescu	showers too ?
11:19	oleganza	asciilifeform: quote?
11:19	nubbins`	nah, no sidewalk showers
11:19	oleganza	ah
11:19	oleganza	i see
11:19	nubbins`	bath houses tho
11:20	asciilifeform	oleganza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yao's_Millionaires'_Problem
11:20	oleganza	asciilifeform: i mean, in m-of-n transaction, all private keys are on different computers
11:20	asciilifeform	and variations on the theme
11:20	mircea_popescu	as far as i understand, m-of-n creates the m and n on the same m,achine, then distributes them
11:20	nubbins`	y'know, wikipedia articles on math are generally really good
11:20	oleganza	asciilifeform: so when you redeem stuff, you ask people to sign a particular piece of data instead of revealing their private keys
11:21	asciilifeform	there is a difference between 'prococol' security and actual security.
11:21	asciilifeform	*protocol
11:21	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/ << soon to be top bet on bitbet
11:21	ozbot	BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
11:21	mircea_popescu	get your alms in
11:21	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it seems like he was talking about the btc feature that sometimes goes by that name, rather than Shamir's scheme.
11:21	mircea_popescu	o o
11:22	pankkake	http://www.wici-concept.com/shop/175-thickbox_default/douchette-hygiene-wc.jpg \o/
11:22	nubbins`	alms for the poor
11:22	ThickAsThieves	116btc on Yes
11:22	mircea_popescu	a so more like a deterministic wallet m-of-n combo
11:22	ThickAsThieves	;;nethash
11:22	gribble	6400549.04237
11:22	nubbins`	pankkake: is that a dual-flush button i see on top there?!
11:22	ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats
11:22	gribble	Current Blocks: 273424 \| Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 \| Next Difficulty In: 751 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 21 hours, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 888657408.965 \| Estimated Percent Change: 25.62157
11:23	nubbins`	http://www.rensup.com/blog/assets/content/denton_dual_flush.jpg
11:24	pankkake	perhaps. I have one but I don't think it works properly
11:24	KRS\|gotyawallet	That sure is a nice toilet.
11:24	nubbins`	efficient too
11:26	pankkake	"I'm a CEO, not a chip designer. That's why I took advice from a professor."
11:26	mircea_popescu	being a ceo is a thing now ?
11:26	mircea_popescu	"i'm a shopper, not a mathematician. this is why i can't use cash"
11:27	taub	btcchina api breaking down ugh
11:27	nubbins`	ah lel
11:27	KRS\|gotyawallet	mircea_popescu: pic gallery is gone..no dtng?
11:27	pankkake	actually, it's why I don't use cash, too annoying to count bills and coins
11:27	nubbins`	cash is king
11:27	nubbins`	nothing worse than some asshole in front of you in line buying a cookie with debit
11:29	mircea_popescu	KRS\|gotyawallet yeah i pulled the plug on that thing
11:30	mircea_popescu	pankkake why use coins ?
11:30	pankkake	how do you not use coins?
11:30	nubbins`	i rarely spend coins
11:30	nubbins`	result being that i have a half pound of change in my pocket by the end of each day
11:31	nubbins`	but then those all go into a jar
11:31	nubbins`	and before you know it, you have thousands of dollars of change
11:31	taub	crash n burn
11:32	mircea_popescu	i usually leave the metal hange behind
11:33	pankkake	we can't be all filthy rich
11:33	pankkake	though I usually discard or give away the red coins
11:34	jurov`	i'm bit nervous when i don't have any coins
11:34	pankkake	(<=5cents for you non eurofags)
11:34	nubbins`	heh
11:34	nubbins`	canada abandoned red coins earlier this year
11:34	jurov`	cuz usually then i need them to some vending machine
11:34	nubbins`	now you round to the 5 when paying cash
11:34	jurov`	but no use for the red ones, yeah
11:34	pankkake	that's actually smart. I've said many times I'd do it even if rounded up
11:35	nubbins`	well at this point it costs more than 1 cent to make a penny
11:35	pankkake	machines often don't want them anyway
11:35	taub	will you panic if we hit 450 today?
11:35	nubbins`	panic is for noobs
11:35	pankkake	I'll panic buy
11:35	nubbins`	yeah
11:35	nubbins`	i'd panic buy too
11:35	nubbins`	disregard previous statement
11:35	taub	that china ruling seems serious
11:35	taub	china has been the fuel of this run-up
11:35	taub	now new buyers aren't gonna come as fast
11:36	nubbins`	taub, as if 1.2 billion people could affect the price of btc ;0
11:36	taub	btcchina now probably pretty mad they didn't charge fees all this time
11:37	jurov`	i can wait. 2 days sold 0.4B for 320 euro, won't starve for some time.
11:37	mircea_popescu	pankkake but we ARE all filthy rich
11:37	mircea_popescu	taub i think you're misreading it.
11:38	nubbins`	heh
11:38	pankkake	not really
11:38	pankkake	I'm filthy alright, missing the second part yet
11:38	nubbins`	you've gotta be at least grubby rich
11:38	nubbins`	or unclean rich
11:40	bloctoc	taub Liberty Reserve shut down has been the fuel for this run up.
11:40	nubbins`	;;ticker --market all
11:40	jurov`	taaki rich
11:40	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 926.0, vol: 28357.88536441 \| Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 872.0, vol: 28956.75818595 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 898.0, vol: 25743.23023 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 880.0, vol: 8744.8563949 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 857.77, vol: 296.84205889 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 925.572, vol: 56901.44100000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 907.668942554
11:40	pankkake	:D
11:40	nubbins`	http://www.brainlesstales.com/images/misc/bitcoin-roller-coaster.gif
11:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.1498899 = 0.2998 BTC [+]
11:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00291 = 0.4249 BTC [-]
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00289717 = 2.8972 BTC [-] {3}
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12:09	Diablo-D3	heh coinbase is down
12:10	ThickAsThieves	i just had it up
12:11	ThickAsThieves	works fine for me
12:11	Diablo-D3	Coinbase is currently offline
12:11	Diablo-D3	No cached version is available.
12:11	ThickAsThieves	sux for you
12:15	TomServo	mircea_popescu: Did Garzik steal your idea? http://www.coindesk.com/core-developer-bitcoin-node-space/
12:15	TomServo	I recall you mentioning something similiar
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3109 BTC [-]
12:17	nubbins`	fun
12:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1149 @ 0.00282543 = 3.2464 BTC [-] {13}
12:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.30700131 = 1.228 BTC [-] {3}
12:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00312002 = 0.2028 BTC [-] {2}
12:19	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
12:19	gribble	986.33
12:25	thestringpuller	;;bids 900
12:25	gribble	There are currently 3391.5773 bitcoins demanded at or over 900.0 USD, worth 3087597.27043 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 86.7293 seconds
12:25	thestringpuller	;;asks 990
12:25	gribble	There are currently 1412.6887 bitcoins offered at or under 990.0 USD, worth 1360727.09659 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 99.4999 seconds
12:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 633 @ 0.0031008 = 1.9628 BTC [-] {11}
12:27	asciilifeform	TomServo: afaik, 'cubesats' go in low orbit and typically croak after a year or two.
12:28	asciilifeform	they're largely a gimmick ('street cred' for engineering students.)
12:28	thestringpuller	fucking reversals always miss em
12:29	thestringpuller	asciilifeform: whats a good long term satrellite solution?
12:29	asciilifeform	not much room on a breadbox for either serious antennae or photovoltaics, either.
12:29	asciilifeform	thestringpuller: 'long term', in the satellite business, traditionally means a decade or so.
12:31	asciilifeform	if you really want something to hang around forever (or until the hardware bakes) - Lagrange points.
12:32	asciilifeform	but that will cost you.
12:32	asciilifeform	might be cheaper to buy a country.
12:34	pankkake	must be why satoshi hasn't spent his coins yet, he's waiting to buy a country
12:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.25 BTC
12:37	thestringpuller	;;ticker
12:37	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 965.0, Best ask: 968.98999, Bid-ask spread: 3.98999, Last trade: 955.0, 24 hour volume: 33985.40703212, 24 hour low: 916.1, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1025.72874
12:43	kakobrekla	http://de2.eu.apcdn.com/full/111232.jpg
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13:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]
13:11	mircea_popescu	TomServo for the past year or so he's been running around the margins trying to somehow become cool
13:11	mircea_popescu	anyway, io can't read that javascriptfest.
13:12	pankkake	coindesk? worksforme with noscript
13:13	mircea_popescu	all io get is a blakc screen
13:18	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform depends a lot of what you put on the cube too
13:19	mircea_popescu	but yes outer space is a harsh mistress
13:21	asciilifeform	optimistic value for photovoltaic is ~100 W / m^2
13:22	asciilifeform	let's say the cube swings open, giving 40 cm.^2 facing the sun (magically rotates without fuel...)
13:23	asciilifeform	now you've got 400 mW...
13:24	mircea_popescu	what's the cube edge, 10cm ?
13:24	asciilifeform	according to the link, that.
13:24	mircea_popescu	so then 400cm
13:25	asciilifeform	damn, left out a 0
13:25	mircea_popescu	that's about where it is, entry level sattelite is about 10cmc and about 1 watt.
13:25	asciilifeform	ok 4W.
13:26	asciilifeform	at full sunlight, ideal position...
13:26	asciilifeform	might be able to get more if you charge a cap and transmit in bursts.
13:27	asciilifeform	and this assumes that you don't need any power to run the electronics on board
13:27	asciilifeform	which is 'spherical horse' territory.
13:28	mircea_popescu	some of the more interesting work in mechanical engineering is resolving the "optimal exposure" problem
13:28	asciilifeform	i'd be surprised if you can run any kind of btc node (in reasonably real time) on 4w.
13:28	mircea_popescu	i've seen a buncha stuff trying to emulate fern leaves etc
13:29	asciilifeform	consider a mirrored (on the inside) sphere with controllable slats.
13:29	mircea_popescu	that too
13:29	asciilifeform	slats open on the sunlit side
13:29	mircea_popescu	but by now you're larger than 10cm
13:30	asciilifeform	correct.
13:30	asciilifeform	would have to be inflatable (mylar) or somesuch.
13:31	mircea_popescu	inflatable is a pain
13:31	mircea_popescu	you lose gas
13:31	asciilifeform	one could probably rig something clever with nitinol wire
13:31	asciilifeform	(use the sun itself for the heat source)
13:31	mircea_popescu	bunch of actuators
13:32	mircea_popescu	it's a seriously fascinating field, this, "given a 10cm cube, construct the best photovoltaic arrangement"
13:32	asciilifeform	considerably longer life if you avoid rotating joints
13:32	asciilifeform	hence nitinol
13:32	asciilifeform	(ever think about bearings/oil in vacuum)
13:33	KRS\|gotyawallet	i want to test my wallet can someone send me 1 btc and I will send it back
13:34	asciilifeform	with a strict cube, use swing panels; five facing the sun (swing open in response to voltage readings from each, with max being the center of the clover) and one arse end with no panel, for the downlink.
13:35	mircea_popescu	but if your panels are twin faced
13:35	mircea_popescu	you can significantly improve that result by tgurning them
13:36	asciilifeform	it is also worth considering why exactly one wants a btc node in orbit.
13:37	asciilifeform	in any scenario where said node is worthwhile, it becomes a central point of failure unlike any other.
13:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12145 @ 0.00078466 = 9.5297 BTC [+]
13:40	asciilifeform	if you just want to relay bits in one direction to some remote jungle, there are commercial sats with no authentication (!)
13:41	mircea_popescu	nobody wants a btc node in orbit, until it becomes a matter of land based isp's being assholes.
13:41	mircea_popescu	when that happens point ot point internet via wifi will be the workhorse and the mostly useless blockchain satellite will be the extended middle finger.
13:41	asciilifeform	consider the life of warez. are there bittorrent nodes in orbit? protocol obfuscation is nearly always the cheaper and more practical pill.
13:42	mircea_popescu	exactly.
13:44	pankkake	there were talk about wifi drones
13:44	pankkake	(for bittorrent)
13:44	asciilifeform	for the cost of one microsat, one could bring out a thousand balloons that bob about in the atmosphere for years.
13:44	KRS\|gotyawallet	dat dump
13:45	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
13:45	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 892.0, Best ask: 894.9, Bid-ask spread: 2.90000, Last trade: 892.0, 24 hour volume: 38738.52916725, 24 hour low: 890.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1009.31176
13:45	asciilifeform	or, for the truly exotic-minded, sonobuoys
13:45	pankkake	;;goxlag
13:45	gribble	MtGox lag is 101249.827561 seconds. During this time, light travels 202.903520783 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
13:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	;;bids 888
13:46	gribble	There are currently 1000.6339 bitcoins demanded at or over 888.0 USD, worth 895306.123044 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.2233 seconds
13:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	;;bids 889
13:46	gribble	There are currently 991.26164 bitcoins demanded at or over 889.0 USD, worth 886980.528795 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 5.3074 seconds
13:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	;;bids 889
13:46	gribble	There are currently 991.26164 bitcoins demanded at or over 889.0 USD, worth 886980.528795 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 11.9352 seconds
13:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	thats not right..lagged as fuck
13:46	KRS\|gotyawallet	$881
13:46	pankkake	they must be hosted on a remote satellite
13:47	KRS\|gotyawallet	wow how bad is it if gox is running out of buyers
13:48	ThickAsThieves	like goxers can get cash out anyway
13:51	Apocalyptic	^^
13:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14989 BTC [+]
13:52	ThickAsThieves	after this China ban i wonder if Gox will have even more trouble getting fiat to people
13:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.04845 = 0.3876 BTC [-] {3}
13:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1239 @ 0.00009989 = 0.1238 BTC [+] {2}
13:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09155011 = 0.1831 BTC [-] {2}
13:55	ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag
13:55	gribble	MtGox lag is 532.686634 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.06749805028 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Earth (1 AU).
13:57	Bugpowder	I don't know if you guys have noticed, but the reddit sentiment index is trending down
13:57	KRS\|gotyawallet	;;bids 828
13:57	gribble	There are currently 3268.1678 bitcoins demanded at or over 828.0 USD, worth 2809609.80831 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.1444 seconds
13:58	Bugpowder	;;bids 500
13:58	gribble	There are currently 18180.459 bitcoins demanded at or over 500.0 USD, worth 12742561.8573 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 16.5359 seconds
13:58	KRS\|gotyawallet	thats aint right
13:58	pankkake	;;market sell 500
13:58	gribble	A market order to sell 500 bitcoins right now would net 436894.5383 USD and would take the last price down to 872.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 873.7891 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 41.6458 seconds
13:59	Bugpowder	there is a 4k+ sell order going off right now on trading.i286
14:00	Bugpowder	will the gox circuitbreakers trip again?
14:00	Bugpowder	;;goxlag
14:00	gribble	MtGox lag is 860.583437 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.72459957218 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mars (1.52 AU).
14:01	Bugpowder	>5k
14:03	Bugpowder	yeah looks like the circuit breaker tripped and its just cycling the same sell order over again and again.
14:03	ThickAsThieves	lol
14:04	ThickAsThieves	gox gets sued to oblivion
14:04	mircea_popescu	kik
14:04	mircea_popescu	"gox is trading on fake btc. gox proves this every year."
14:04	Bugpowder	why not fix the problem after it happend last week?
14:05	ThickAsThieves	hilarious
14:05	KRS\|gotyawallet	to be fair didnt they receive significant attacks at those times
14:06	mod6	thestringpuller: this fuck is so uninformed << wasn't it the stephengandel guy who stopped in here a few days ago who wrote that article?
14:06	ThickAsThieves	to be fair, it is sleepy time in China
14:06	ThickAsThieves	they need their rest
14:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11279999 BTC [+]
14:09	KRS\|gotyawallet	Its rice until 03Q14 for them..no BEEF. NO POHK. NO SHREEMP!
14:11	TomServo	mod6: I believe so.
14:11	mircea_popescu	mod6 prolly ya
14:17	ThickAsThieves	it's still looping
14:18	KRS\|gotyawallet	f'n wow
14:18	KRS\|gotyawallet	i'd like to get my account in there somehow [balance] = [balance]++
14:19	ThickAsThieves	mp begins his next blog post
14:19	ThickAsThieves	This is why we can't have nice things
14:23	ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd Gox Art
14:23	ozbot	Mt.Gox BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom
14:24	KRS\|gotyawallet	this is lel
14:24	ThickAsThieves	aww on reload the pattern goes away
14:25	dub	idk why its such a surprise every time gox does this
14:26	ThickAsThieves	here's the art: http://i.imgur.com/eKGXUpv.jpg
14:27	pankkake	looks like music
14:29	smidge	volume exceeds april crash by far
14:30	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
14:30	gribble	952.70
14:31	thestringpuller	my puts are almost itm
14:32	thestringpuller	;;goxlag
14:32	gribble	MtGox lag is 2791.205394 seconds. During this time, light travels 5.59354435768 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Jupiter (5.2 AU).
14:33	KRS\|gotyawallet	Gox should just submit a trouble ticket to their support department..duh.
14:33	ThickAsThieves	Hello this is GoDaddy, how can we help you today?
14:34	KRS\|gotyawallet	Send over that racing bitch..She's hawt.
14:34	thestringpuller	bitstmp hasn't tripped yet though
14:34	thestringpuller	trades are still going hard
14:34	pankkake	I'm not sure what can I do with this… http://i.imgur.com/Li7nNHC.png (bitcoin-central)
14:36	jurov`	i'm still unverified at b-c
14:36	pankkake	at least there is no risk of lag
14:36	thestringpuller	jurov`: I'm sending another deposit
14:37	Apocalyptic	pankkake, that orderbook density
14:37	thestringpuller	;;goxlag
14:37	gribble	MtGox lag is 3056.857142 seconds. During this time, light travels 6.12590748629 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Jupiter (5.2 AU).
14:38	Bugpowder	@zerohedge 4m NYSE declares self help against Mt. Gox
14:39	thestringpuller	is that from twitter?
14:40	Bugpowder	yeah
14:40	Bugpowder	http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2013/12/20131206_BTC2.jpg
14:40	Bugpowder	zh is getting wet
14:40	Bugpowder	over BIDU
14:40	Bugpowder	I guess he missed the announcement yesterday?
14:41	jurov`	lol mtgoxlive literally out of the window
14:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30800266 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2}
14:41	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
14:41	gribble	951.33
14:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0028997 = 0.8699 BTC [+] {2}
14:43	ThickAsThieves	i went for NSPNY at $61 instead
14:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3851 @ 0.00273821 = 10.5448 BTC [-] {18}
14:55	pankkake	well I fail at exploiting b-c. too bad, those trades jumping 40-60€ are juicy
14:56	twizt	crazy volume going thru
14:56	ThickAsThieves	Bitcoin Breaks Another Record
14:56	ThickAsThieves	get it? get it?
14:57	pankkake	Bitcoin Breaks?
14:57	ThickAsThieves	broken record
14:57	pankkake	oh
14:57	ThickAsThieves	playing over and over
14:57	ThickAsThieves	it's funnier when you explain it
14:57	thestringpuller	this is a good retreat though
14:57	ThickAsThieves	hehe
14:57	thestringpuller	octoboer was hovering around 200
14:58	thestringpuller	someone must be exiting their position
14:58	ThickAsThieves	from an escher painting
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16182 @ 0.00078592 = 12.7178 BTC [+]
14:59	mircea_popescu	hahaha
15:00	twizt	so where is this gonna end lol
15:00	twizt	with an hour delay
15:01	mircea_popescu	;;tslb
15:01	gribble	Time since last block: 14 minutes and 39 seconds
15:02	pankkake	is there a gox lag chart?
15:02	Apocalyptic	currently it's a gox loop chart
15:03	nubbins`	;;ticker --last
15:03	gribble	877.46198
15:03	nubbins`	heh
15:03	mircea_popescu	;;ticker --loop
15:03	gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>\|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
15:03	nubbins`	okay, so i just bought a sufjan stevens record
15:03	ThickAsThieves	here's Mark right now: http://i.imgur.com/rLhaCT6.jpg
15:04	nubbins`	my favourite album so far -- seven swans -- and i didn't even know it was available on vinyl
15:04	nubbins`	stumbled upon a reissue today!
15:04	ThickAsThieves	nice
15:04	nubbins`	yeah, wanna listen to it badly
15:04	nubbins`	but i'm gonna hold off and give it to my wife for xmas
15:05	ThickAsThieves	it's a great album
15:05	ThickAsThieves	but i still prefer Age of Adz these days
15:05	ThickAsThieves	not really the same styke thi
15:05	ThickAsThieves	style tho*
15:05	nubbins`	yeah, i still haven't heard age of adz
15:05	mircea_popescu	this just in : mtgox server upgraded with wafflemaker!
15:05	nubbins`	queuing it up right now on youchube
15:05	thestringpuller	;;goxlag
15:05	gribble	MtGox lag is 4772.813016 seconds. During this time, light travels 9.56466384499 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
15:06	thestringpuller	dude seriously?
15:06	thestringpuller	that's like 3 episodes of seinfeld
15:06	nubbins`	it's just saturn, no sweat
15:06	mircea_popescu	nothing like last year's half day record
15:06	nubbins`	lel cavirtex @ $810
15:07	mircea_popescu	you mean i'm not a billionaire again !?
15:07	thestringpuller	LOL
15:08	thestringpuller	you'll be a billionaire again by christmas
15:08	thestringpuller	that should be a good bitbet
15:08	mircea_popescu	aok
15:08	nubbins`	haha
15:08	nubbins`	good xmas gift too
15:08	KRS\|gotyawallet	haha
15:08	thestringpuller	"mircea_popescu to be billionaire again by Christmas 2013"
15:08	KRS\|gotyawallet	bit bet!
15:08	pankkake	bad bet
15:08	ThickAsThieves	Mark is gonna be so rich with all this volume!
15:08	nubbins`	pankkake: +1
15:08	nubbins`	he could divest himself on xmas eve
15:08	mircea_popescu	everyone is a billionaire eventually, but bitcoin people get tyo do it many times a week]
15:09	KRS\|gotyawallet	there is that much faith in this?
15:09	thestringpuller	i'm a billionaire with zimbabwe dollars
15:09	pankkake	can you be less than a trillionnaire ?
15:09	thestringpuller	well trillionaire actually
15:09	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: hints of Enjoy Your Rabbit in here
15:09	mircea_popescu	pankkake only if you're somaly
15:09	KRS\|gotyawallet	I didnt know you all were so serious about bitcoin. I always figure it will meh.
15:09	nubbins`	krs, not so serious
15:09	mircea_popescu	i am very srs.
15:10	KRS\|gotyawallet	i mean this is really going to climb?
15:10	ThickAsThieves	i havent heard Enjoy i dont think
15:10	nubbins`	very electronic
15:10	ThickAsThieves	ah
15:10	pankkake	eventually
15:10	nubbins`	not a fan, altho i've only given it a listen or two
15:10	nubbins`	should revisit some day
15:10	ThickAsThieves	early electronic, sounds risky indeed
15:10	KRS\|gotyawallet	i was ecstatic when i realized i didnt have to work anymore
15:10	nubbins`	nod
15:10	thestringpuller	there should be a bitbet against code changes
15:11	nubbins`	lots of squelchy bloops
15:11	thestringpuller	"All magic numbers in bitcoin to disappear by 2014"
15:11	KRS\|gotyawallet	i want to devote myself to an open source project but not sure what i want to put my weight behind
15:11	thestringpuller	not bitcoin?
15:11	ThickAsThieves	<@SarahCoinBit> stolenNick: I'm pretty sure it's ddos. Our tech team have been woken up and are looking into it
15:12	KRS\|gotyawallet	something bitcoin
15:12	thestringpuller	something something darkside something something complete?
15:12	nubbins`	well, y'know
15:12	KRS\|gotyawallet	i just keep thinking something will happen and i will have to exit
15:12	nubbins`	if you're not sure what to do with your money, you can just become a patron of the arts
15:12	thestringpuller	i bought in at 12 USD
15:12	nubbins`	this is what rich people used to do
15:12	nubbins`	commission portraits and shit
15:12	thestringpuller	so being bullish long term seems to be the way to go
15:12	KRS\|gotyawallet	then i hear how india ist getting on board, how countries in africa need this like oxygen
15:13	thestringpuller	nubbins` i want to commission a painting of my puppy
15:13	thestringpuller	can you make that ahppen?
15:13	nubbins`	yeah
15:13	thestringpuller	can you put him in a suit?
15:13	nubbins`	space or three-piece?
15:13	nubbins`	(yes to both)
15:13	thestringpuller	lol
15:14	nubbins`	<-- dead serious
15:14	thestringpuller	that's gangsta I was just wondering if it was an option!
15:14	thestringpuller	oh man
15:14	twizt	newb question alert, how come the time and sales dont match up to the bid/ask on clarkmoody?
15:14	thestringpuller	i was just kiddin' but that's awesome that it's an awesome
15:14	thestringpuller	twizt:
15:14	thestringpuller	goxlag
15:14	KRS\|gotyawallet	maybe ill just be greedy and write myself a kickass bot
15:14	thestringpuller	;;goxlag
15:14	gribble	MtGox lag is 128509.613133 seconds. During this time, light travels 257.531825853 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
15:14	thestringpuller	HOLY SHIT
15:14	KRS\|gotyawallet	and chill
15:14	twizt	thestringpuller: ?
15:14	thestringpuller	look at the goxlag
15:15	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: just imagine, you could give a free t-shirt with your face on it to each new mpex membership
15:15	lnostdal	;;goxlag
15:15	nubbins`	lel
15:15	gribble	MtGox lag is 1159908.20615 seconds. During this time, light travels 2324.44305814 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
15:15	twizt	so what should i trust lol
15:15	thestringpuller	nothing atm
15:15	twizt	in terms of where the market is
15:15	thestringpuller	just wait it out until this storm passes
15:15	pankkake	so how high is this goxlag going to be?
15:15	thestringpuller	unless you wanna send in market orders and have faith in the bitcoin gods
15:15	twizt	so wheres the market lol
15:16	twizt	how can there be trans below the limits
15:17	KRS\|gotyawallet	oh my god this is going to get so bad
15:17	KRS\|gotyawallet	maybe not theres a lot of greedy fucks buying
15:18	twizt	looks like it...
15:18	KRS\|gotyawallet	on one hand i'm almost thinking double-digits but then bam
15:20	twizt	most likelyt going back to $1k tho
15:20	thestringpuller	twizt: during the april crash there was such bad lag, that you could literally send in limit orders at any price between the spread and cross your figners it found a match and executed
15:20	twizt	on both sides right
15:20	thestringpuller	twizt: Bugpowder made a shit ton of money
15:20	thestringpuller	during that time
15:20	twizt	yea ive done that in futures markets too
15:20	thestringpuller	so I would just wait it out unless you wanna try your luck against the lag
15:21	thestringpuller	;;goxlag
15:21	twizt	during news and all the algos back off
15:21	gribble	MtGox lag is 8648.059356 seconds. During this time, light travels 17.3306141209 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Uranus (19.18 AU).
15:21	thestringpuller	;;calc 115000/(60*60)
15:21	gribble	31.9444444444
15:21	thestringpuller	well we surpassed 1 day lag this time at some point
15:21	Namworld	;; goxlag
15:21	gribble	MtGox lag is 3926249.2314 seconds. During this time, light travels 7868.15949925 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
15:22	Namworld	;;goxlag
15:22	gribble	MtGox lag is 914965.581336 seconds. During this time, light travels 1833.58078053 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
15:22	Namworld	I heard goxlag is broken
15:23	Namworld	What's the news?
15:23	thestringpuller	someone said DDOS
15:23	thestringpuller	or at least that's what ThickAsThieves brought us
15:23	kakobrekla	something _is_ happening apparently http://jezus.si/graf/dashboards/bitcoin/details/lag/
15:23	Namworld	and the mass went histeric?
15:23	thestringpuller	yea
15:23	pankkake	oooh that's the charts I was looking for
15:24	benkay	;;ticker
15:24	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 866.86862, Best ask: 875.0, Bid-ask spread: 8.13138, Last trade: 875.0, 24 hour volume: 42639.43396242, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 979.46603
15:24	pankkake	;;goxlag
15:24	gribble	MtGox lag is 4959.229808 seconds. During this time, light travels 9.93824100893 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
15:24	pankkake	going down!
15:25	pankkake	or not
15:25	mircea_popescu	less lag!
15:25	pankkake	;;goxlag
15:25	gribble	MtGox lag is 9959748.13382 seconds. During this time, light travels 19959.2237453 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
15:26	thestringpuller	20 dollar spread
15:26	thestringpuller	playthe spread gogogogogogo
15:26	taub	oh, haha
15:26	taub	gox in circuit breaker mode
15:26	taub	5min lag
15:26	thestringpuller	gox lag looks like it is broken
15:26	thestringpuller	i'm getting 12 minute
15:26	thestringpuller	wait it's going down
15:27	taub	historic, order book ratio below price
15:27	thestringpuller	the orders are starting to go through (checking via API)
15:27	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
15:27	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 850.92528, Best ask: 897.0, Bid-ask spread: 46.07472, Last trade: 840.0, 24 hour volume: 42895.66604874, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 978.47868
15:27	thestringpuller	Bugpowder we neeeeeeed you
15:30	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
15:30	gribble	933.62
15:30	thestringpuller	wow
15:31	taub	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=360170.0 ..
15:31	ozbot	Gox false signal, loop, aka westexaco: Gox runs its servers from a potato
15:31	kakobrekla	its not the hw its the sw
15:32	thestringpuller	it's not the software it's the people
15:32	thestringpuller	gox's people are all n00bs
15:32	thestringpuller	i could run a better exchange
15:32	pankkake	do it
15:32	ThickAsThieves	here comes the bounce
15:32	taub	well, seeing as how pretty much all exchanges break down under load...
15:32	thestringpuller	no no no
15:33	thestringpuller	no bounch yet
15:33	ThickAsThieves	sorry man
15:33	thestringpuller	my puts are finally itm
15:33	ThickAsThieves	she's ready
15:33	thestringpuller	NOOOOOOOOO
15:33	thestringpuller	i'm not hard yet
15:33	thestringpuller	twss
15:33	mircea_popescu	lmao
15:34	nubbins`	huh
15:34	nubbins`	my bank now sells precious metals
15:35	ThickAsThieves	my bank has US Patriot Act placards on every desk
15:36	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
15:36	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 925.0, Best ask: 940.0, Bid-ask spread: 15.00000, Last trade: 940.0, 24 hour volume: 44383.89502737, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.67855
15:36	nubbins`	https://www.preciousmetals.cibc.com/
15:36	ozbot	Home - CIBC Precious Metals
15:37	benkay	dat 24 hour low
15:37	nubbins`	interesting, but not really competitively priced
15:37	ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats
15:37	nubbins`	convenient tho
15:37	thestringpuller	geeze
15:37	gribble	Current Blocks: 273454 \| Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 \| Next Difficulty In: 721 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 39 minutes, and 48 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 888475078.261 \| Estimated Percent Change: 25.5958
15:37	thestringpuller	fuck
15:37	ThickAsThieves	toldya
15:37	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
15:37	thestringpuller	lesigh
15:37	thestringpuller	oh well
15:37	gribble	932.93
15:37	pankkake	;;goxlag
15:37	gribble	MtGox lag is 5788.684666 seconds. During this time, light travels 11.6004592573 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
15:37	thestringpuller	it was worth shot
15:37	KRS\|gotyawallet	thickasthieves: when you were buying at $12 I was selling at $14 to make roi on my mining operations..i did not have faith =/
15:38	KRS\|gotyawallet	i've actually gone balls deep into mining again
15:38	ThickAsThieves	:/
15:38	nubbins`	:(
15:38	thestringpuller	is your hardware paid off?
15:38	ThickAsThieves	bitcoin can accommodate your balls just fine
15:39	thestringpuller	;;ticker
15:40	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 935.0, Best ask: 939.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 935.0, 24 hour volume: 44846.72187139, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 972.41213
15:40	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
15:40	gribble	931.90
15:43	KRS\|gotyawallet	haha yeah i did well i should have just held off from selling.
15:43	ThickAsThieves	pong
15:46	thestringpuller	goxlag to normal
15:46	thestringpuller	;;goxlag
15:47	gribble	MtGox lag is 0.247187 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.000495359980356 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
15:47	thestringpuller	dope
15:47	KRS\|gotyawallet	around 20 hours ago or so maybe, fontas mentioned large amounts of btc were headed to the exchanges but then he said he was joking..wonder if this was that
15:47	KRS\|gotyawallet	then it makes me wonder wtf do these sellers know thats making them sell
15:47	thestringpuller	AND NOW BITCOIN CHARTS IS DOWN
15:47	thestringpuller	i see how it is
15:47	thestringpuller	they ddos btc charts so that we can't exercise our options
15:48	pankkake	https://bunny1980.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/buy-buy-sell-sell.jpg
15:48	KRS\|gotyawallet	those bastages
15:50	benkay	;;ticker
15:50	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 889.90966, Best ask: 899.99, Bid-ask spread: 10.08034, Last trade: 890.0, 24 hour volume: 45457.90578599, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1140.0, 24 hour vwap: 969.05248
15:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5441 @ 0.00078466 = 4.2693 BTC [-]
15:50	thestringpuller	Bwahahaha
15:51	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
15:51	gribble	931.18
15:51	ThickAsThieves	;;tslb
15:51	gribble	Time since last block: 30 minutes and 15 seconds
15:52	ThickAsThieves	taker your time nethash
15:54	pankkake	3 blocks in a minute
15:55	pankkake	4!
15:55	pankkake	no, blockchain.info broken
15:55	ThickAsThieves	;;tslb
15:55	gribble	Time since last block: 1 minute and 36 seconds
15:55	ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats
15:55	gribble	Current Blocks: 273457 \| Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 \| Next Difficulty In: 718 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 52 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 887746503.029 \| Estimated Percent Change: 25.49281
15:59	Bugpowder	thestringpuller: never buy puts
15:59	Bugpowder	its just setting your bitcoins on fire
15:59	pankkake	and they become BBQCoins?
16:02	taub	yum
16:02	thestringpuller	Bugpowder: teaaaaach e
16:02	thestringpuller	me
16:02	thestringpuller	what do you do?
16:02	thestringpuller	buy calls okay that works
16:03	thestringpuller	but then what do you do to go bearish?!?!?
16:03	thestringpuller	do you just sell and point bearish and wait to rebuy?
16:11	deadweasel	;;ticker
16:11	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 898.00501, Best ask: 904.69, Bid-ask spread: 6.68499, Last trade: 904.97499, 24 hour volume: 45888.03323050, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1138.5, 24 hour vwap: 964.48303
16:11	thestringpuller	sir we need more volume!
16:12	thestringpuller	;;next
16:12	gribble	See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/
16:13	pankkake	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPhUr-T6UM
16:14	assbot	brb
16:14	pankkake	vid is relevant too!
16:21	pankkake	what's up, assbot?
16:22	assbot	nuttin just got greased
16:22	pankkake	shiny
16:23	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: chile
16:25	thestringpuller	nubbins`: so what is the pricing for oil painting commissions
16:26	ThickAsThieves	someone else recently said chile was nice
16:26	nubbins`	ah, i'd have to get back to you on that. ink or watercolor, maybe $2-300. oil, realistically a couple grand
16:27	nubbins`	depends on size
16:32	nubbins`	something smaller, maybe a couple hundred for oil
16:33	nubbins`	if you're srs and want a more accurate quote, just let me know what size and what you had in mind
16:38	thestringpuller	maybe i want a napoleon-esque style portrait of mircea_popescu commissioned
16:39	thestringpuller	to put in my living room
16:39	thestringpuller	with a giant bitcoin watermark in the background
16:39	thestringpuller	the title: "The Bitcoin Chairman"
16:40	benkay	not king?
16:41	jurov`	just use the horse photo
16:41	jurov`	The Bitcoin Pharaoh
16:41	thestringpuller	^-there we go
16:41	thestringpuller	nubbins` make a btc address and lets start donating
16:42	thestringpuller	I'll put down .05 btc rightnow
16:42	nubbins`	sec
16:42	nubbins`	1CXK1j9sk3xz48svhtWzcTkLzjvk7NwPFs
16:43	benkay	high rolla
16:43	thestringpuller	lets do it
16:44	nubbins`	maybe a gold btc logo for the sun
16:45	nubbins`	shining into his eyes?
16:45	thestringpuller	we'll present it to him at the btc conference in romania
16:45	thestringpuller	alright 0.05 sent
16:45	thestringpuller	how much more do we need?
16:45	nubbins`	got it
16:46	deadweasel	bitcoin contact lenses, sell those. probably resell form these guys: http://www.customcontacts.com/special-effects-lenses/gallery
16:46	deadweasel	from*
16:46	nubbins`	well, suppose we do a pay-as-you-go. you've already got yourself a few concept sketches paid for.
16:47	thestringpuller	see if you can get the sketches into a trilema article ;)
16:47	thestringpuller	then we may be able to get more people to donate
16:47	Bugpowder	thestringpuller: I lose money everytime I go bearish. So I don't go bearish anymore.
16:47	nubbins`	haha
16:47	nubbins`	deal
16:48	nubbins`	should be able to get started this weekend
16:48	thestringpuller	The Great Bitcoin Pharoah!
16:48	thestringpuller	i should commission a rapper to make an MPEx hip hop track
16:48	thestringpuller	hit all facets of the arts
16:49	nubbins`	heh
16:49	nubbins`	uh, i could probably get that pulled together for you too
16:50	nubbins`	one thing at a time tho, hey
16:50	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
16:50	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 921.5, Best ask: 934.99998, Bid-ask spread: 13.49998, Last trade: 921.04, 24 hour volume: 47411.98164781, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1135.715, 24 hour vwap: 962.06274
16:50	nubbins`	is there a full version of that horse pic somewhere?
16:50	nubbins`	ugh. my roommate has no sense of smell, and he just dropped a rotten fart.
16:50	nubbins`	the bastard
16:51	kakobrekla	get a chick for a mate
16:51	kakobrekla	their farts smell like roses
16:51	nubbins`	i have one, and no they don't
16:51	kakobrekla	dunno what u feed them
16:51	kakobrekla	stop with the veggies
16:51	nubbins`	not rose petals
16:51	nubbins`	what, meat is gonna make em smell better?!
16:52	ThickAsThieves	using the wrong pellets
16:52	kakobrekla	well have you ever been in a company of veggi only eaters for extended periods of time?
16:52	nubbins`	kako, no
16:52	kakobrekla	well there you go.
16:52	nubbins`	HEH
16:52	nubbins`	kale farts
16:52	kakobrekla	its terrible i tell you
16:53	nubbins`	huh, kale is a brassica. who knew.
16:58	thestringpuller	bitstamp just bounced
16:58	thestringpuller	so i guess ThickAsThieves has inside information
16:59	thestringpuller	IT WAS HIM who caused this
		~ 2 hours 21 minutes ~
19:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20872 @ 0.00078466 = 16.3774 BTC [-]
19:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.317 BTC [+]
19:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319 BTC [+]
		~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~
20:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.00299985 = 0.876 BTC [+] {5}
20:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 27 @ 0.14986666 = 4.0464 BTC [-] {4}
20:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 38618 @ 0.00010594 = 4.0912 BTC [+] {34}
20:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00078739 = 3.7795 BTC [+]
20:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00300064 = 0.207 BTC [+] {2}
20:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00301703 = 2.7153 BTC [+] {7}
20:37	pankkake	;;ticker
20:37	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 771.0, Best ask: 780.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.00000, Last trade: 777.0, 24 hour volume: 55736.62160805, 24 hour low: 771.0, 24 hour high: 1118.989, 24 hour vwap: 932.15549
20:38	mike_c	sheesh, the whole world is falling apart. bitbet down?
20:39	mircea_popescu	mike_c seems so.
20:39	pankkake	it's working again for me actually, while I was unable to access it yesterday
20:39	pankkake	something's funny is going on in the routers
20:39	Apocalyptic	it's the cats in the intertubes
20:40	benkay	bitbet down?
20:40	pankkake	cool I am the only one able to access it
20:40	pankkake	time to bet!
20:40	benkay	kakobrekla: bitbet down?
20:40	mike_c	i just got back in. seems intermittent.
20:41	kakobrekla	yes but dont bet on it staying up just yet (see what i did there)
20:41	benkay	watch out below
20:41	mike_c	http://bitbet.us/bet/277/bitbet-haxxed-in-2013/ < you about to lose this one? :)
20:41	ozbot	BitBet - BitBet haxxed in 2013
20:41	kakobrekla	naw
20:42	pankkake	wtf
20:42	benkay	;;goxlag
20:42	gribble	MtGox lag is 73.293499 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.146879351361 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
20:43	benkay	dat bgp hijack
20:45	diametric	wonder how low its going to go today
20:51	benkay	.d
20:51	ozbot	707408283.05150 \| Next Diff in 674 blocks \| Estimated Change: 26.0790% in 3d 10h 46m 12s
20:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.311003 = 0.933 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 35 minutes ~
21:28	kakobreklaa	bitbet up for good now.
21:28	kakobreklaa	btc rally can resume
21:29	thestringpuller	.d
21:29	thestringpuller	;;diff
21:29	gribble	7.074082830514966E8
21:30	thestringpuller	;;bc, stats
21:30	gribble	Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
21:30	thestringpuller	;;bc,stats
21:30	gribble	Current Blocks: 273502 \| Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 \| Next Difficulty In: 673 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 59 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 891850463.219 \| Estimated Percent Change: 26.07295
21:30	KRS\|gotyawallet	hah i feel better now =D
21:31	pankkake	;;ticker
21:31	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 825.0, Best ask: 840.0, Bid-ask spread: 15.00000, Last trade: 825.0, 24 hour volume: 67593.48396766, 24 hour low: 650.0, 24 hour high: 1118.989, 24 hour vwap: 885.613
21:32	pankkake	what it's not crashing?!
21:32	the20year1	Quick! Buy more rentalstarter stock and lock in your BTC value relative to USD for future gains!
21:32	pankkake	hehehe
21:34	pankkake	lol at the shit altcoin bet propositions
21:34	the20year1	bitbet?
21:35	pankkake	yeah http://bitbet.us/propositions/
21:35	benkay	1k was a good thing?
21:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 216 @ 0.00272541 = 0.5887 BTC [-] {4}
21:40	benkay	btc bounces
21:40	kakobreklaa	like a dead cat
21:43	pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/TiMJ2WB.png lel
21:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31999941 BTC [+]
21:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31999942 BTC [+]
21:50	thestringpuller	;;calc 150 * 5
21:50	gribble	750
21:50	thestringpuller	;;calc 750 / 60
21:50	gribble	12.5
21:50	thestringpuller	;;calc 12.5 + (40 * 60)
21:50	gribble	2412.5
21:51	thestringpuller	;;calc 2412.5 / 60
21:51	gribble	40.2083333333
21:51	thestringpuller	;;calc 12.5 + 40
21:51	gribble	52.5
21:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00078739 = 5.3543 BTC [+]
22:00	benkay	dude mircea_popescu the options contracts not being on whole btc and that not being called out in the trade symbol is totally bogus
22:04	dub	http://i.imgur.com/rLhaCT6.jpg
22:04	dub	tux has a gunt
22:04	mircea_popescu	benkay you know it says on the page
		~ 15 minutes ~
22:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14995 BTC [+]
22:21	benkay	page is for humans to read. until this change MPSIC contained all relevant information.
22:22	benkay	totally breaks referential transparency of MPSIC.
22:23	mircea_popescu	yeah well, once we get a coin that doesn't change three degrees of magnitude a year, we'll have referential transparency
22:24	KRS\|gotyawallet	http://0.t.4cdn.org/b/thumb/1386384897323s.jpg
22:28	benkay	well, referencial transparency of MPSIC with regards to contract. before this change, all relevant details to pricing the option were in the MPSIC.
22:29	benkay	and what is someone supposed to do when the MPEx takes its web page down, eh?
22:29	benkay	<strike>the</strike>
22:29	mod6	use assbot
22:29	mod6	or mpexbot
22:31	thestringpuller	http://i.imgur.com/4kurhWN.jpg
22:31	pankkake	;;google the many ways of talking to mpex
22:31	gribble	Measuring Student Expectations in University Physics: The MPEX ...: <http://www.physics.umd.edu/perg/papers/redish/talks/expects/aapt97ex.htm>; 3. MPEX-II Survey - UMD Department of Physics: <http://www.physics.umd.edu/perg/tools/MPEX-II.pdf>; [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history? - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.0>
22:31	pankkake	okay
22:31	mod6	thestringpuller: haha
22:32	thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com talking to mpex
22:32	gribble	The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex>; MPEx tech stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-tech-stuff/>; MPEx DDOSed, an epic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-ddosed-an-epic/>
22:41	mircea_popescu	benkay "all" in some sense of "all".
22:43	benkay	mod6: can I get lot size out of assbot?
22:46	jurov`	!t m ^oix
22:46	assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 112.71384346 / 112.71384346 (3175 shares, 119.31 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
		~ 15 minutes ~
23:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.055 = 0.165 BTC [+]
23:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00078739 = 11.7321 BTC [+]
		~ 17 minutes ~
23:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00298999 = 0.3737 BTC [+]
23:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 250 @ 0.0077 = 1.925 BTC
23:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00298999 = 0.1495 BTC [+]
		~ 21 minutes ~
23:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.00299879 = 1.3285 BTC [+] {6}
23:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00078466 = 3.3348 BTC [-]
23:49	nubbins`	drunk
23:52	nubbins`	leonard cohen
23:54	nubbins`	new skin for the old ceremony
23:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31102547 BTC [-]
23:55	nubbins`	isle of wight 1970
23:55	nubbins`	etc
23:55	nubbins`	&c
23:55	gribble	Error: "c" is not a valid command.
23:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31100305 = 0.622 BTC [-] {2}
23:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.308682 = 1.5434 BTC [-] {4}

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