#trilema | 2013-11-28

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00:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.31634 = 0.949 BTC [+] {2}
00:08	Venat	sup in this fker
00:08	lewicki	if sha 256 breaks, can't the devs just rewind the blockchain, boot up the new algorithm and mush on?
00:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0031003 = 0.1426 BTC [-]
00:09	BingoBoingo	lewicki: Maybe? In the ensuring chaos though think of all of the opportunities for profiteering!
00:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33889 = 0.6778 BTC [+] {2}
00:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3161001 BTC [-]
00:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3160325 = 1.2641 BTC [-] {2}
00:21	Venat	lewicki sha256 breaks? wut?
00:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00310011 = 0.2666 BTC [-] {2}
00:22	BingoBoingo	Venat: It isn't too likely in the next few years, but mathematical advances can be hard to predict.
00:28	Venat	BingoBoingo you bet!
00:29	Venat	is someone in this very channel into reverse engineering
00:29	BingoBoingo	Of course I bet Venat
00:30	Venat	bitbet? :o
00:31	BingoBoingo	Venat: For larger sums. Sometimes I'll throw smaller amounts at other betting sites.
00:31	Venat	larger sums lol
00:31	Venat	my current balance is like 0.0009
00:32	Venat	i used to grab 0.01's on primedice
00:32	Venat	but thats about it, bought bitcoins earlier this year but spend them on vpn and domains lol
00:32	BingoBoingo	Venat: I avoid the dice and stick to event and sports betting
00:32	Venat	to think I paid like 160$ for a stupid domain
00:32	Venat	according to the price now
00:33	BingoBoingo	A two or three hour competition lasts longer than a dice roll
00:33	Venat	i do enjoy sports betting
00:33	Venat	and I had two major hits
00:33	Venat	major being like 200$
00:33	Venat	for a 5 parlay
00:34	BingoBoingo	Venat: Well I still have this futures bet which could win from back in July http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/6d7fa?destination=bet-slip
00:34	Venat	whats the yield
00:34	Venat	im not used to american rates
00:35	Venat	+31993 ~ 31.993?
00:35	BingoBoingo	Yeah Venat assuming the sports book would be solvent enough to pay it.
00:36	BingoBoingo	Sometime Venat gambling in BTC involves a meta-gamble when you wander from places like BitBet though
00:38	Venat	well
00:38	Venat	Surebets are nice
00:39	Venat	used to do those bets on betfair
00:39	Venat	well kind of
00:39	Venat	bet for more than 3 goals
00:39	Venat	one goal is scored
00:39	Venat	bet against more than 3 goals
00:39	Venat	profit????
00:41	BingoBoingo	;;later tell mike_c it exists nao http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/
00:41	gribble	The operation succeeded.
00:42	s3gfault	LTC is slowly destroying BTC
00:42	s3gfault	amazing
00:42	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
00:45	Venat	s3gfault, define destroying
00:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1944 @ 0.0000909 = 0.1767 BTC [+]
00:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3334 BTC [+]
00:47	Venat	;;ticker
00:47	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1075.1, Best ask: 1079.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.90000, Last trade: 1075.1, 24 hour volume: 34464.01111674, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 1015.05664
00:47	Venat	lel
00:50	s3gfault	BTC crashed against LTC. down 80%
01:03	nubbins`	beef crashes against pumpkins every october, doesn't mean vegetarians are destroying meat eaters
01:05	Venat	dem vegans
01:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 10 @ 0.02100499 = 0.21 BTC [-] {4}
01:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
01:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0031 = 0.2418 BTC [-] {2}
01:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.31601006 = 0.948 BTC [-] {3}
01:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.316 = 2.212 BTC [-]
01:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.316 = 6.952 BTC [-]
01:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.316 = 3.16 BTC [-] {2}
01:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.315 = 0.63 BTC [-]
01:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.318 = 1.59 BTC [+]
01:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.318 = 1.59 BTC [+]
		~ 17 minutes ~
01:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.31089743 = 12.125 BTC [-] {4}
02:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 380 @ 0.00177408 = 0.6742 BTC [-] {3}
02:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32079999 BTC [+]
02:08	Venat	I will kill you thursday, yoi should have stopped me wednesday
02:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3207999 BTC [-]
		~ 24 minutes ~
02:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3208 BTC [+]
		~ 27 minutes ~
03:00	pankkake	with all this crazyness, mcxfee holders would have been made rich
03:01	pankkake	worst timing ever
03:03	taub	why doesnt btcchina load
03:03	taub	but is trading
03:08	pankkake	great firewall?
03:08	pankkake	namecoin back to #3
03:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3051205 = 0.6102 BTC [-] {2}
03:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 377 @ 0.00034 = 0.1282 BTC [-]
03:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.03 = 0.9 BTC [+]
03:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]
03:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00034 = 0.34 BTC [-]
03:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.02818181 = 0.62 BTC [-] {2}
03:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 446 @ 0.00034 = 0.1516 BTC [-]
03:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00333118 = 0.1732 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 15 minutes ~
04:05	Diablo-D3	;;ticker --market coinbase
04:05	gribble	Coinbase BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 989.82, Best ask: 1016.25, Bid-ask spread: 26.43000, Last trade: 1006.04, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
04:05	Diablo-D3	;;ticker
04:05	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1075.8, Best ask: 1087.50499, Bid-ask spread: 11.70499, Last trade: 1075.8, 24 hour volume: 34825.55193846, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 1019.61128
04:12	Venat	so yeah
		~ 39 minutes ~
04:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1177 @ 0.00034 = 0.4002 BTC [-]
04:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1137 @ 0.0015 = 1.7055 BTC [-] {5}
05:00	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/625/btc-will-rise-above-1500-usd-before-february/ lol@ this guy.
05:00	ozbot	BitBet - BTC will rise above $1500 USD before February 2014
05:01	mircea_popescu	it must really suck to be a noob and your whole experience with btc to be the various scumsites plastered all over the forum.
05:02	Venat	sounds like me
05:05	truffles	hi
05:05	mircea_popescu	sucks to be you then!11
05:12	truffles	;;ticker
05:12	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1080.5, Best ask: 1086.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.50000, Last trade: 1080.5, 24 hour volume: 35029.03566976, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 1021.73019
05:15	Diablo-D3	;;ticker --market coinbase
05:15	gribble	Coinbase BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 998.57, Best ask: 1019.48, Bid-ask spread: 20.91000, Last trade: 1008.81, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
05:16	Venat	mircea_popescu, blows to be me
05:20	taub	wow litecoin
05:20	taub	bubble^2
05:23	Venat	isnt litecoin tied to btc
05:24	taub	not really
05:26	mircea_popescu	taub im curious wheere it pops
05:26	mircea_popescu	i suppose .1 is possible
05:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
05:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.32111248 = 12.8445 BTC [+] {8}
05:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 450 @ 0.0003 = 0.135 BTC [-]
05:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.325 = 1.625 BTC [+]
05:32	pankkake	no one even thought of making a litecoin/silver bet!
05:33	truffles	u just did
05:33	pankkake	well, not ON TIME
05:33	truffles	its not over yet?
05:33	pankkake	silver is like $20, so it is
05:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.021911 = 0.1753 BTC [-] {3}
05:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.333 BTC [+]
05:39	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
05:39	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1098.79999, Best ask: 1099.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.20001, Last trade: 1099.0, 24 hour volume: 34980.19183841, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1099.0, 24 hour vwap: 1022.73387
05:39	ThickAsThieves	btc trying so hard to catch ltc
05:39	ThickAsThieves	hehe
05:40	pankkake	bitcoin's the myspace of crypto
05:40	davout	pankkake: lol
05:41	truffles	i was talking about how turrble myspace was with someone yesterday!
05:41	cazalla	they're gonna string up max once it pops
05:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3102001 BTC [-]
05:45	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves over 1k!!
05:46	pankkake	$avg
05:46	mpexbot	pankkake: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
05:46	ThickAsThieves	ltc took my title of Pied Piper of Bitcoin
05:47	ThickAsThieves	people are like "$1000 for one bitcoin? Fuck that shit! I can haz twenty litecoins, way better!"
05:49	pankkake	so http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=1
05:50	ThickAsThieves	yeah and litecoin has a fancier logo
05:50	ThickAsThieves	btc is doomed
05:51	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
05:51	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1096.13, Best ask: 1099.9999, Bid-ask spread: 3.86990, Last trade: 1099.99999, 24 hour volume: 34923.80550052, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1100.0, 24 hour vwap: 1023.51859
05:51	ThickAsThieves	there it is
05:52	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.0;topicseen
05:52	ozbot	[Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
05:53	pankkake	this guy has a lot of dumb comments
05:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.33299999 = 3.33 BTC [+] {2}
05:53	ThickAsThieves	they are saying you only have 30k btc mp
05:53	pankkake	"GTFO troll. Go abuse the trust system more when people disagre with your FUD."
05:53	jurov`	@ 1100 usd each
05:53	ThickAsThieves	yeah i suspect the guy took a new identity from some other faniliar
05:53	ThickAsThieves	like jimmothy is ffsixtynine or some shit
05:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2500 @ 0.00029244 = 0.7311 BTC [-] {5}
05:54	pankkake	i don't know, he seems to love asicminer a bit too much
05:55	ThickAsThieves	every forum knowitall loves whatever they just bought
05:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 971 @ 0.00029005 = 0.2816 BTC [-] {2}
05:55	pankkake	he loves HIF, so, yeah :D
05:55	Venat	pankkake, je travaille
05:55	mircea_popescu	litecoins have a smaller amount of price!
05:55	ThickAsThieves	and higher amount of coins
05:55	pankkake	Venat: pour quoi faire ?
05:55	ThickAsThieves	so more fair for the republik of usa
05:56	Venat	je travaille, j'aime mon work
05:56	truffles	parce que
05:56	ThickAsThieves	nao sei
05:56	mircea_popescu	work =- travail
05:57	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well, 30k is mind boggling anyway, so.
06:00	Venat	is china going to crush japan
06:00	Venat	?
06:00	Venat	and take all of their btc in the progress
06:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07999999 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2}
06:01	mircea_popescu	what, was some war declared or something ?
06:01	Venat	not yet :D
06:02	Venat	but china many warships, such power, wow
06:02	mircea_popescu	they been bulding it for a decade now. yeah. easily more military than the sum of the rest of the world
06:02	mircea_popescu	us and ru pretentions to the contrary notwithstanding.
06:03	mircea_popescu	luckily they seem kinda peaceful, maybe we get a reversal to the historical medieval situation.
06:03	Venat	yea
06:03	Venat	kinda peaceful is the problem
06:03	pankkake	is anyone not talking chinese doomed?
06:03	mircea_popescu	"we're too big to fight, so just stfu and be reasonable"
06:03	dub	past eleventy
06:03	Venat	who knows whats their agenda
06:04	mircea_popescu	they made better world admins than the xtians ever did.
06:05	ThickAsThieves	Civilization V says the Chinese agenda is either the War Path or the Science Path
06:05	ThickAsThieves	lotsa science coming from china?
06:05	mircea_popescu	kinda, yea.
06:06	mircea_popescu	"With Bitcoin breaking the $1,000 barrier, it is extremely risky to invest in these crypto-stocks anymore. I have learnt my lesson after I lost half of all my bitcoins in BTC-TRADING-PT. You never know when these exchanges will shut down. Better not to invest in them."
06:06	mircea_popescu	wait, who was doing that ?
06:07	ThickAsThieves	who was learning lessons?
06:07	ThickAsThieves	or learnting* lessons, sorry
06:08	mircea_popescu	some guy in the "mp has now lost 95% of his net worth because i said so" thread
06:08	Venat	lel
06:08	Venat	people need to take farking responsibility
06:09	Venat	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/14/james-collins_n_4277008.html
06:09	ozbot	James Collins Allegedly Called 911 Because Neighbors Wouldn't Drink With Him
06:09	Venat	O_o
06:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.334 BTC [+]
06:13	ThickAsThieves	https://blockchain.info/address/12sENwECeRSmTeDwyLNqwh47JistZqFmW8 people have taken to begging
06:13	ozbot	Bitcoin Address 12sENwECeRSmTeDwyLNqwh47JistZqFmW8
06:13	pankkake	it's been going on for a while
06:14	pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinbeg is quite old too
06:14	pankkake	then there's some IPOs
06:16	mircea_popescu	lol
06:16	mircea_popescu	"i am stupid and i lose btc. please send more btc to me"
06:16	mircea_popescu	sounds like a reddit value proposition
06:19	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.0
06:19	ozbot	[Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
06:19	mircea_popescu	this thread is epic.
06:20	mircea_popescu	after 2-3 years of "lalala we know better" teh muppet parade is startying to realise that well... there's no place in reality for their fiction. o noes!
06:20	mircea_popescu	i've not had so much fun online since like
06:20	mircea_popescu	yesterday.
06:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.0615 = 0.861 BTC [-]
06:20	pankkake	I am at a loss for words
06:20	pankkake	well it's quite boring actually. nothing very new
06:21	mircea_popescu	well actually "mpex scam" stuff was popular in 2012
06:21	Diablo-D3	;;ticker --market coinbase
06:21	gribble	Coinbase BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1010.14, Best ask: 1033.05, Bid-ask spread: 22.91000, Last trade: 1023.58, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
06:22	mircea_popescu	cca about the time glbse fucked a buncha forumers raw and mpoepr went lmao idiots, told you so, and they got really pissy.
06:22	Diablo-D3	;;ticker
06:22	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1100.0, Best ask: 1104.99499, Bid-ask spread: 4.99499, Last trade: 1104.99499, 24 hour volume: 35365.09765744, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1115.0, 24 hour vwap: 1025.67349
06:22	pankkake	I'm tired of companies not able to disclose any financial
06:22	mircea_popescu	yeah, it's not like they've not had an example shoved in their face for > 1 year now
06:22	mircea_popescu	by now if you're not on an0 you are a scammer. period.
06:23	pankkake	but they don't even do 1% of that. like "how many bitcoins do you have left". not even telling
06:24	Venat	"One last thing that does not really prove that mpex.co is a scam but I cant be the only one to notice that Mircea Popescu speaks like a sci-fi super-villain."
06:24	Venat	ahahahhaahahahaha
06:24	pankkake	lol I missed that
06:24	pankkake	but I don't get it
06:24	Venat	are you magneto?
06:24	mircea_popescu	wait, i do ?!
06:24	Venat	like a digital magneto, attracting all bitcoins
06:25	mircea_popescu	how's a sci-fi super villain speak ?
06:25	truffles	haha
06:25	pankkake	trying to find out the closest supervillian
06:25	truffles	magneto
06:25	pankkake	magneto is probably a good one
06:25	mircea_popescu	my culture is sorely lacking ;/
06:25	mircea_popescu	i can't even name a super villain
06:26	Venat	No matter, you are Stardestroyer Mircea the terrible from now on
06:26	mircea_popescu	how do i know he's super ? does the 20k leagues under sea antagonist qualify ?
06:28	Venat	man, they even attack your lack of css :(
06:30	pankkake	well he loves havelock
06:30	pankkake	can't have a more cssy exchange than that
06:31	mircea_popescu	lol the no css thing has been a meme for years nao
06:31	Venat	many design, beautiful colors, wow, so good exchange
06:31	pankkake	there's one guy doing even better: http://www.beeeeer.org/
06:32	mircea_popescu	one of the funnier parts was the "mpex doesn't even have a lot of stocks!!1" thing.
06:32	mircea_popescu	it suddenly dawned on me what he means is similar to "the ps2 dioesn't even have a lot of cartridges!"
06:32	pankkake	it's better to have more stocks
06:32	mircea_popescu	some "investors" really aim to be entertained.
06:32	Venat	i prefer stockings
06:32	mircea_popescu	yet they still won't jdice-invest like good doobies. i suppose that's boring.
06:33	truffles	so mp has lotta haters `
06:33	mircea_popescu	" Dear Sir, I am an Asian student studying in Europe right now. May I ask for one bitcoin for my education fund? You must have been bored with exchanging the bitcoins with real currencies, then why not investing in a youngster`s future? Thank you."
06:33	mircea_popescu	lol
06:34	pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1m38ju/am_i_missing_any_btc_stocks_in_my_portfolios/
06:34	ozbot	Am i missing any BTC stocks in my portfolios? : BitcoinStocks
06:34	mircea_popescu	anyone explain to me how to do this ?
06:34	pankkake	never will get tired of this one
06:34	mircea_popescu	how do you leave comments on blockchain txs ?
06:34	truffles	no fun to be joking about mp anymore, too many haters
06:35	pankkake	I know you can do it from the blockchain.info web wallet
06:35	Venat	ok so can I spam my address so I recieve free btc for my education fund
06:35	pankkake	bitbet has comments though…
06:35	pankkake	I just have a blow & hookers fund
06:36	mircea_popescu	meh too lazy to do it. was gonna go for a "dear azn student : please see http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/ "
06:36	pankkake	I did it once, but it was annoying to do this many transfers
06:36	pankkake	it was when people where watching the labcoin address
06:36	pankkake	I put in a goatse
06:37	Venat	damn, I joined #bitcoin
06:37	Venat	i shall we flooded with half truths
06:37	Venat	be*
06:37	mircea_popescu	builds character. to quote carlin, "we were tempered in raw shit"
06:38	Venat	mircea_popescu, you are a noble leader
06:38	Venat	i am most grateful
06:38	Venat	"<noobee_> please send me coins"
06:39	Venat	yea right, I will send you 1000$ worth of bitcoins right away because you installed multibit moments ago
06:39	mircea_popescu	you got the wrong mp. i'm the mean one.
06:39	Venat	are you the girl with boobs?
06:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 354 @ 0.0013501 = 0.4779 BTC [-] {2}
06:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 596 @ 0.00133711 = 0.7969 BTC [-] {2}
06:41	truffles	if i spam a bitcoin wallet, odds of getting coins?
06:41	pankkake	you'd earn more by begging in the street
06:41	truffles	lol
06:41	pankkake	which can actually be quite lucrative
06:42	mircea_popescu	prostitution beats panhandling
06:42	pankkake	well, that parts depends on your body
06:42	truffles	yea begging is unbecoming for me
06:43	mircea_popescu	so you'd think, but i have done this experiment. people will throw money at cute girls begging.
06:45	truffles	" Woman Forces Man To Have Sex With Friend At Gunpoint " wow
06:45	Venat	i really think mpex.co is a scam and I can prove it
06:45	Venat	it has no css!
06:46	mircea_popescu	here's the thing : all the other sites that turned out scams to date ?
06:46	mircea_popescu	they had css.
06:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34395 = 0.6879 BTC [+] {2}
06:47	Venat	and most of them are examples of poor usage of bootstrap
06:47	pankkake	well, bootstrap is great for people who don't like CSS like me
06:47	Venat	it is truly great
06:47	pankkake	put it, just have some classes and people stop telling you it doesn't look good
06:47	mircea_popescu	depends who.
06:48	pankkake	see, button with gradients! now let me code
06:48	mircea_popescu	i think it doesn't look good.
06:49	Venat	state your reasons
06:49	pankkake	http://headfucking.net/ http://gznm.headfucking.net/ that's the kind of css i like
06:49	ozbot	headfucking.net
06:50	Venat	the hell????
06:50	mircea_popescu	http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/wwfpandas_4342.jpg
06:51	pankkake	so wwf isn't wild women fucking
06:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
06:51	mircea_popescu	www.youporn.com/watch/375320/wild-women-fucking/‎
06:51	mircea_popescu	wow it exists.
06:51	mircea_popescu	everything exists
06:52	pankkake	that's rule 34. hmm, are there rules of bitcoin?
06:52	pankkake	1. everything is a scam
06:53	mircea_popescu	2. always seek for the largest low ammount of everything
06:54	truffles	thats ur blog pankkake?`
06:54	Venat	3. mpex.co is scam, see 1. for reference
06:54	pankkake	truffles: yes. not very active
06:54	truffles	feminism
06:54	truffles	can i post as anony?
06:54	pankkake	I think "1. it's a scam" is a bit better
06:54	pankkake	you can post whatever you want
06:55	truffles	ill have to figure out how to do so lol
06:55	truffles	why do u have scrolly stuff mid page
06:55	truffles	weird
06:55	pankkake	it's a good example of too much CSS
06:56	pankkake	I just want to dump wordpress but need a good solution for comments
06:56	mircea_popescu	3. webwallets are better.
06:56	pankkake	4. you don't need transaction fees
06:56	truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqYLfm1rWA guess u didnt watch this pankkake
06:56	ozbot	Ms. Male Character - Tropes vs Women in Video Games - YouTube
06:57	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/598/1-btc-will-surpass-price-of-1-troy/
06:57	ozbot	BitBet - 1 BTC will surpass price of 1 Troy Oz of Gold in USD
06:57	mircea_popescu	10:1
06:57	pankkake	5. mining is profitable as long as you always buy new asics
06:57	mircea_popescu	o those are good.
06:57	mircea_popescu	6. PMBs are better than actual asics.
06:58	pankkake	truffles: I think I did… and also there was a popular French feminist nonsense article about how how sexist men are in tech
06:58	mircea_popescu	7. scrypt protects you from all the other bad people with more money and knowledge
06:58	truffles	seems so
06:58	pankkake	it didn't make me MAD, but the positive reception it had made me MAD
06:58	truffles	" don’t talk at a tech conference if there is a woman nearby." hmmm
06:58	pankkake	I probably did more for women in tech than these fucks
06:58	truffles	where is the comment button
06:59	pankkake	it's Responsive CSS or something. if you resize the window everything moves!
06:59	truffles	oh i have to login to do so?
06:59	pankkake	you shouldn't have to
07:00	truffles	way too much going on, on this page
07:00	pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/c3f2aPV.png not werking?
07:00	truffles	i found it
07:00	truffles	0 comments so i clicked that heh
07:01	pankkake	I have ~10 readers
07:01	pankkake	and I know most of them
07:01	truffles	heh
07:01	truffles	will post a response by top of hr
07:01	pankkake	used to have more.
07:01	truffles	brief one ldo
07:01	pankkake	I have another blog with 100+ though!
07:02	truffles	well uh how do u keep up with all these blogs
07:02	pankkake	not the same content
07:03	pankkake	8. value comes from belief
07:03	pankkake	hmm. not sure it conveys my idea
07:03	pankkake	8. value comes from hope
07:03	mircea_popescu	8. anything is worth whatever anyone believes it to be worth.
07:03	pankkake	meh
07:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 29 @ 0.06062517 = 1.7581 BTC [-] {6}
07:04	mircea_popescu	9. mc^2 is a sexist equation, because it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us.
07:07	Venat	bitcoyne> wonder if bitcoin mining might ever become illegal like growing weed
07:07	Venat	lolol
07:07	mircea_popescu	i am guessing this is #bitcoin
07:07	pankkake	actually, at some point I thought people would arb between the most profitable
07:08	pankkake	because they both suck a lot of electrity
07:08	pankkake	and you can get bitcoins with both
07:10	mircea_popescu	weed is a pain in the butt by comparison to running a miner tho.
07:12	mircea_popescu	http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/combthedesert_9573.jpg
07:12	mircea_popescu	"someone lost a hard drive with bitcoins hiar"
07:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33068803 BTC [-]
07:21	taub	https://btcchina.com is this working for anyone
07:21	taub	oh wow now suddenly
07:22	taub	oh, it doesn't work without ssl
07:30	mircea_popescu	it's been around fopr maybe half year
07:30	mircea_popescu	i imagine it shouldwork
07:31	mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rn52h/and_then_i_said_to_him_jimmy/ ?<< curious if reddit goes for it.
07:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0033201 = 0.166 BTC [-]
07:34	pankkake	even BingoBoingo has a reddit account
07:34	pankkake	what a shame
07:38	dexX7	inhibitor23, -84 comment karma :D
07:40	truffles	had to re-read the drama about the text, i hit submit dont see my comment
07:41	truffles	pankkake dunno why ud have spam block if thats it ..
07:41	pankkake	truffles: wordpress doesn't have it… i guess i fucked my spam filtering too
07:42	pankkake	shit
07:43	truffles	ill attempt 2 more times or so
07:44	pankkake	should work now
07:45	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/628/bitcoin-will-stay-above-1000-for-the-rest/
07:45	mircea_popescu	if at firsty you don't succeed...
07:45	truffles	awaiting moderation
07:51	pankkake	approved. I have removed the external service antispam, hope I won't get flooded
07:51	ThickAsThieves	can the Gox lists litecoin bet be done in a way so as not get "Bad bet."?
07:52	pankkake	there's this one guy who sends me PMs and still believes he can print money buying at btc-e and selling at mtgox
07:52	mircea_popescu	kinda iffy.
07:52	ThickAsThieves	why
07:53	ThickAsThieves	attached a volume amount to it? what?
07:53	truffles	pankkake u have such controversial blog posts heh
07:54	pankkake	truffles: that's pretty much the only purpose of it. stuff that won't be removed etc. the older french content was way more controversial btw. many threats received!
07:54	ThickAsThieves	pankkake has a blog?
07:54	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves basically they announced they will be doing it, 6 months ago
07:54	pankkake	inactive blog
07:54	mircea_popescu	what is the contention this bet is centered around ? mtgox lacks the tech ability ot add a currency ?
07:54	ThickAsThieves	i'm aware mp
07:55	ThickAsThieves	lol
07:55	ThickAsThieves	why is that not betworthy?
07:55	mircea_popescu	well, im just trying to understand what it is
07:55	ThickAsThieves	no different than BFL shipping
07:55	ThickAsThieves	it's pinning a ship date
07:55	mircea_popescu	it's always better for bets to follow contention closely.
07:55	pankkake	it allows insider betting too
07:55	truffles	wish i could read it pankkake
07:55	ThickAsThieves	the bet is when/whether it happens
07:55	pankkake	I hid it somewhat, though it's findable… it's probably for the best
07:56	mircea_popescu	ok so something like "Contrary to previous announcements, MtGox will fail to list LTC as a currency by X date. If at least Y volume of LTC is traded on MtGox by X date, this bet resolves as yes"
07:56	mircea_popescu	?
07:56	truffles	comment taxer les riches
07:56	ThickAsThieves	that would be great yeah
07:56	mircea_popescu	well other than the fact i fucked it up
07:56	mircea_popescu	ok, but fix it so it's not self contradictory.
07:57	ThickAsThieves	so much wotk this bitbet thing!
07:57	ThickAsThieves	work*
07:57	mircea_popescu	tell me about it.
07:58	pankkake	it's like mods get paid to reject
07:58	mircea_popescu	no, they just get their fingers in the door when a bet is to be resolved.
07:58	mircea_popescu	so natural cya
07:59	ThickAsThieves	i dunno, Gox lists litecoin is pretty damn clear...
07:59	truffles	to u
07:59	ThickAsThieves	unclear it for me
07:59	truffles	its complicated for non native speakers
08:00	ThickAsThieves	as most things are, no?
08:00	truffles	maybe
08:00	pankkake	bfl vs activemining bet still pending
08:07	betsson	Hi. why were there "Refund" the last bets?
08:07	betsson	http://bitbet.us/bet/524/litecoin-to-rise-above-04-btc-before-2014/
08:07	ozbot	BitBet - Litecoin to rise above .04 BTC before 2014
08:07	betsson	I placed my bet before it touched that, the bet was still open for hours and hours after that
08:08	truffles	lol dont think theyre in the refund business
08:08	betsson	It says there "Refund"
08:08	betsson	what does that mean?
08:09	truffles	i dunno
08:09	truffles	i was making a joke..
08:09	mircea_popescu	it means you bet after ltc crossed.
08:10	betsson	I made the bet while it was still at 3.9
08:10	betsson	and on other markets it was even lower
08:10	betsson	anyway, doesn't matter
08:11	betsson	what does Refund mean?
08:11	ThickAsThieves	http://bitbet.us/bet/272/google-glasses-will-be-delivered-before-the-end/ should this be resolved?
08:11	ozbot	BitBet - Google Glasses will be delivered before the end of 2013
08:11	betsson	that we get the coins back?
08:11	ThickAsThieves	havent people ordered, paid for, and rec'd Google Glass?
08:11	ThickAsThieves	albeit a limited run
08:11	mircea_popescu	betsson yeah
08:12	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i dunno. if they have nobody reported it so far.
08:13	dexX7	betsson: the tx was probably not confirmed in time
08:13	ThickAsThieves	http://www.itproportal.com/2013/11/05/want-a-google-glass-it-can-now-be-shipped-to-your-house-complete-with-a-personal-tutorial/
08:13	ozbot	Want a Google Glass? It can now ship to your house complete with personal tutorial \| ITProPortal.com
08:13	mircea_popescu	is this a reputed member of the community ? :D
08:14	betsson	dex
08:14	betsson	the tx was confirmed
08:14	betsson	it had 6 confirmations
08:14	betsson	and the bet was still open
08:14	ThickAsThieves	bet does not require reputed member of community
08:14	betsson	that can be verified easily
08:14	mircea_popescu	which tx on the bet page is this betsson ?
08:14	betsson	one second
08:14	ThickAsThieves	"On April 16, 2013, Google announced that production was complete for the initial Glass Explorer Edition units and the corporation would begin shipping.[43] On the same day, Google also released a web-based setup page for Glass,[44] as well as the MyGlass companion app.[45] Developers were also given first access to the Mirror API for Glass.[46]"
08:14	ThickAsThieves	thats wikipedia
08:14	betsson	this: https://blockchain.info/address/13NA362VWY11VZ9L2QGNv1VEdF2i4oxG1y
08:14	betsson	and this: https://blockchain.info/address/13NBQBDvF3W3LrTyWiWbeeuVevNQf4KkqT
08:14	betsson	I made two bets
08:15	mircea_popescu	28-11-13 01:17 and 28-11-13 01:49
08:15	mircea_popescu	look at the graph, it closed around midnight
08:15	ThickAsThieves	http://www.app8ite.com/2013/04/16/google-glass-shipping-lucky/
08:15	ozbot	Google Glass Now Shipping To Lucky Few
08:15	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so dump a link or two in the comments section.
08:16	ThickAsThieves	omg all the work
08:18	truffles	if work was easy, everyone would do it
08:18	ThickAsThieves	done
08:20	mircea_popescu	why ty.
08:25	ThickAsThieves	ltc bet resubmitted too
08:26	truffles	i liked Wall E heh
08:28	mircea_popescu	wow that ltc over 4 bet ?!
08:28	mircea_popescu	10:1 against and it made.
08:29	mircea_popescu	submitter made .44 btc for submitting that bet.
08:29	mircea_popescu	not too shabby eh ?
08:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00311 = 0.4821 BTC [-] {2}
08:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00310046 = 0.3411 BTC [-] {4}
08:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34468 BTC [+]
08:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.145 = 0.29 BTC [+]
08:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00311001 = 0.1555 BTC [+]
08:41	dexX7	Final note : The process herein described is protected as patent pending, which means you may not claim you have invented it. That aside, the process is offered freely for use by any party for any purpose. << wtf
08:42	ThickAsThieves	its mp'
08:42	ThickAsThieves	s anti-patent trolling regulation
08:43	dexX7	aaah :D
08:44	mircea_popescu	well yeah.
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06 = 0.18 BTC [-]
08:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.32044001 = 2.5635 BTC [-] {5}
08:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.32000003 = 4.8 BTC [-] {2}
08:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.00310726 = 0.4878 BTC [-] {5}
09:00	mircea_popescu	http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/27/residents-shocked-that-dekalb-county-juror-form-lists-slave-as-occupation/
09:00	ozbot	Residents shocked that DeKalb County, Georgia, juror form lists ‘slave’ as occupation \| The Ra
09:00	mircea_popescu	and i thought he's a stay at home bdsm type.
09:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.311 = 0.622 BTC [-]
09:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.30547999 = 15.274 BTC [-] {3}
09:04	ThickAsThieves	AM1 is hurtin
09:04	pankkake	ltc is the next asicminer
09:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00310033 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {4}
09:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 72 @ 0.03299822 = 2.3759 BTC [+] {4}
09:05	ThickAsThieves	pretty much
09:05	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350342.new#new jus' for lulz.
09:05	ozbot	Let's understand together why BitBet is by far the best gamble in town.
09:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 482 @ 0.0030054 = 1.4486 BTC [-] {6}
09:08	ThickAsThieves	wow MPOE-PR actually doing a PR job
09:08	ThickAsThieves	i'm impressed
09:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 378 @ 0.00285001 = 1.0773 BTC [-] {2}
09:08	mircea_popescu	on her own dime, i ain't payin' for that shit!!11
09:09	ThickAsThieves	lol
09:09	mircea_popescu	"I think I know why NEO go involved. Ukyo still owes NEOBEE all of the IPO funds..." << any truth to thaty ?
09:09	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350342.msg3752188#msg3752188
09:09	ozbot	Let's understand together why BitBet is by far the best gamble in town.
09:09	kakobrekla	SHILL!
09:09	ThickAsThieves	you'd have to ask Neo of course
09:09	kakobrekla	how much do you pay for those mp
09:10	mircea_popescu	well if neo feels like making a comment at all, that's probably the #1 comment to make by importance.
09:11	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla iirc that's the guy showing his boobs on jdice trollbox neh ?
09:11	kakobrekla	no clue
09:11	kakobrekla	i remember a vagina
09:11	mircea_popescu	i think so.
09:11	mircea_popescu	vagina different.
09:11	mircea_popescu	the chick that shoved a wooden implement up her snatch ?
09:11	pankkake	mircea_popescu: actually he said "We have the IPVO funds"
09:11	ThickAsThieves	mp > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3746764#msg3746764
09:11	mircea_popescu	pankkake pls to link for great justicthanks
09:12	ThickAsThieves	he says "We have the IPVO funds"
09:12	mircea_popescu	"We have the IPVO funds, Bitcoin was an innovation driven by the global mess we all found ourselves in, Neo & Bee was given a chance because of the Bail-in's here in Cyprus. Whenever there is a problem, there is an opportunity! This will all become more evident when it is possible to release the details in full."
09:12	mircea_popescu	he sounds a little tired, but good to know.
09:12	pankkake	thought that could mean "we have the funds as a number printer on weexchange"
09:12	ThickAsThieves	he mostly does his postings after work
09:12	pankkake	-typos
09:13	mircea_popescu	pankkake the problem with interpretative dances like that is that it makes communication impossible.
09:13	ThickAsThieves	but generally it's hard to give non-updates
09:13	mircea_popescu	bar any serious history a la inaba, we're to expect people know what they mean.
09:13	pankkake	what do you expect, FUDsters gonna FUD
09:13	mircea_popescu	that also.
09:13	ThickAsThieves	but the community so desires updates
09:14	mircea_popescu	"you people suck, how's that for an update."
09:14	ThickAsThieves	my policy is no updates until real updates
09:14	ThickAsThieves	but alas i do not run the world
09:14	mircea_popescu	mayhap one day.
09:14	ThickAsThieves	sounds like a bitbet!
09:14	ThickAsThieves	hehe
09:14	mircea_popescu	lol
09:15	pankkake	bad specs
09:15	ThickAsThieves	well the specs are simple
09:16	ThickAsThieves	bet resolves yes when TAT can will it to
09:16	mircea_popescu	lol. i\'m not paying for dns hacking research.
09:16	pankkake	hmm… I have a feeling bitbet would self destroy rather than be forced to do something
09:17	ThickAsThieves	awww ltc correcting
09:18	dexX7	depending on what you are looking at, no-updates can still be valuable updates ("we didn't run")
09:18	pankkake	if you actually need that kind of update, it's already bad news
09:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31 = 0.62 BTC [+]
09:19	dexX7	haha yea
09:19	ThickAsThieves	dexx7, if your previous update was sufficient, that wouldnt be needed
09:19	ThickAsThieves	also, i'm against appeasing the masses in these kind of things
09:20	ThickAsThieves	it makes the masses think they have a say
09:20	ThickAsThieves	and they dont
09:20	pankkake	"we are going to work in our undersea base for a month"
09:20	dexX7	good point
09:20	davout	ThickAsThieves: word
09:21	davout	mtgox is apparently really busy reinventing the wheel
09:22	ThickAsThieves	how so?
09:22	davout	(aw shit the PR about their otp card is actually a week old, shame on me)
09:22	davout	oh wait no, the url says 20131120 and the date on the PR says 27 nov lol
09:22	davout	https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20131120.html
09:23	ozbot	Mt.Gox - Bitcoin Exchange
09:23	kakobrekla	i got the thing in my email today
09:23	davout	update your spam filters
09:25	dexX7	same here
09:25	ThickAsThieves	So Gox is putting 2-fa in your 2-fa?
09:26	pankkake	so… more expensive than a yubikey but only works with mtgox
09:26	davout	i don't really get that, is there any point to it besides marketing?
09:26	davout	pankkake: they flash their YKs so you can't use them anywhere else
09:26	pankkake	oh and you can't use a regular yubi with them?
09:26	davout	nope
09:26	pankkake	the apple of bitcoin exchanges
09:26	davout	either you validate OTPs against yubico's servers
09:27	davout	or you feed it an AES key and do it all yourself
09:27	dexX7	http://whois.net/whois/bitcoins.com Creation Date: 2000-03-30T13:48:38Z ... that's pretty early?
09:28	pankkake	dexX7: probably was registered by many of those domain squatters. I wonder for how much it sold for
09:28	davout	either way this smells like a glorified google authenticator
09:36	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/629/mt-gox-fails-to-list-litecoin/
09:36	ozbot	BitBet - Mt. Gox Fails to List Litecoin
09:37	mircea_popescu	davout a little recycling of stale shit. great for the environment, ok for the consumer.
09:37	ThickAsThieves	cool cool
09:44	mircea_popescu	"I feel as if I have been scammed.. Transferred from my BitBook to Just-Dice address they gave him and it's been 20-30 minutes, no BTC's and the address changed now "
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.033 = 0.66 BTC [+]
09:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32999998 = 0.66 BTC [+] {2}
09:50	pankkake	why is "Any user will be removed from Bitcointalk DefaultTrust again" a bad bet?
09:50	mircea_popescu	theymos can arbitrarily do that, right ?
09:51	pankkake	yes… but that aren't things changed lightly
09:51	pankkake	at least I hope
09:52	mircea_popescu	what's that to do ?
09:52	mircea_popescu	bets tghat are within one person's arbitrarity are badbets by that fact.
09:52	mircea_popescu	not only because the person could just bet and ensure his own winning,
09:52	mircea_popescu	but also because even if the person doesn't bet it will still be accused of having bet and ensured his own winning.
09:52	pankkake	yes, but he would have probably more to lose by removing that someone
09:53	pankkake	my general idea was that someone "trusted" would become a scammer yet again
09:53	pankkake	but how do you define scammer and trusted
09:54	mircea_popescu	bets should be something more substantive than "mp will post a threesome on irc"
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.32999998 = 1.32 BTC [+]
09:57	pankkake	there's not much at stake for that though
09:58	pankkake	I was thinking the economic incentive would always be greater than the bet itself
09:58	mircea_popescu	there's an economic incentive to the forum default trust tree ?
09:58	pankkake	sadly yes
09:59	pankkake	well, I'll try to find another creative way to define trusted and scammer :p
09:59	mircea_popescu	i dunno.
09:59	mircea_popescu	yeah. doing god's own work here, these are q's that should be pondered.
10:00	pankkake	want to do a "an havelock listing will be a scam" too but again, how do I define that…
10:00	pankkake	it's not like there are even contracts
10:00	mircea_popescu	myeah.
10:00	mircea_popescu	these are problems.
10:01	ThickAsThieves	NEOBEE Official Updates Nov 28, 2013 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3752833#msg3752833
10:03	pankkake	"
10:03	pankkake	This is coming at minimal cost to Neo & Bee (man hours)" if true, I'm not that mad anymore :p
10:03	pankkake	hmm, no. it means it costs man hours, not minimal man hours
10:03	pankkake	meh
10:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.31004 = 3.1004 BTC [-] {3}
10:04	mircea_popescu	so basically bitfunder is sold for 1 btc ?
10:05	Jere_Jones	Was easyco.in already down or did sending out that neobee update effectively ddos it?
10:05	ThickAsThieves	i have yet to see the site
10:05	ThickAsThieves	my guess is it doesnt exist yet live
10:05	Jere_Jones	503 right now
10:08	nubbins`	so casascius says it's fincen that caused him to halt orders, hey?
10:09	ThickAsThieves	he;s a terrorist
10:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.31 = 3.72 BTC [-]
10:09	Diablo-D3	TERRORIST TERRORIST
10:09	Diablo-D3	+ticker
10:10	nubbins`	;;terror
10:10	gribble	Error: "terror" is not a valid command.
10:11	nubbins`	fu gribs
10:11	Diablo-D3	;;ticker
10:11	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1153.43168, Best ask: 1169.80003, Bid-ask spread: 16.36835, Last trade: 1170.73661, 24 hour volume: 33404.48434916, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1170.6156, 24 hour vwap: 1049.37753
10:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00176558 = 3.5312 BTC [+] {7}
10:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 58 @ 0.033 = 1.914 BTC [+]
10:17	ThickAsThieves	[10:04] <mircea_popescu> so basically bitfunder is sold for 1 btc ? <<< He makes no mention of Bitfunder actually, title is Weex
10:18	mircea_popescu	well i kinda think of both as the same thing.
10:18	mircea_popescu	but k
10:18	ThickAsThieves	while you need Weex to use BF
10:18	ThickAsThieves	weex is currency exchange
10:18	ThickAsThieves	and BF is a stock exchange
10:18	ThickAsThieves	was
10:20	nubbins`	weex: because you want to sign up for two things today, not one
10:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0008476 = 1.9919 BTC [+]
10:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1150 @ 0.0008476 = 0.9747 BTC [+]
10:23	pankkake	twice as many bugs for the price of one
10:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8884 @ 0.00084626 = 7.5182 BTC [-]
10:24	mircea_popescu	any way i turn it all i can see here is "neobee assumes as little as it can possibly get away with of bf/weex liabuilities in exchange of all assets"
10:24	firstblockchain	Invited here by deadweasel.
10:24	mircea_popescu	hello.
10:25	nubbins`	hola
10:25	ThickAsThieves	sounds like an okay deal to me i suppose
10:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0008476 = 5.8484 BTC [+]
10:26	mircea_popescu	that's perhaps the worst piece of corp literature i've ever seen, ftr.
10:26	mircea_popescu	"Once the restrictions enforced upon us have been lifted, our plans will become extremely clear. Please note that any speculation with regards to our involvement is in fact nothing more than pure speculation. People who are invested, are more than aware that we are open, honest and will move the business forward at every given opportunity."
10:27	mircea_popescu	what in the loving fuck is that.
10:27	firstblockchain	I'm the guy who made an ass of himself yesterday by embedding proof of articles of incorporation into the blockchain using Manuel Araoz's proofofexistence - and then claiming I'd incorporate the first "blockchain" company.
10:27	mircea_popescu	o hi there.
10:27	nubbins`	ah! hey!
10:28	firstblockchain	Deadweasel was kind enough to inform me such concepts have been developed and working by some of the folks here.
10:28	firstblockchain	and suggested I come say hello.
10:28	mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE
10:28	ozbot	S.MPOE last 6900@0.00084760
10:28	mircea_popescu	that's one of the older examples.
10:28	mircea_popescu	no, actually. that's the oldest.
10:31	firstblockchain	Reading it now . Thanks - I wish I'd known about this before.
10:31	mircea_popescu	well nobody knows about anything until they find out
10:31	mircea_popescu	if you're interested in the point in a philosophical sense you may also wish to read http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ and the trackbacks etc
10:31	firstblockchain	Raised hell when I posted what I did and a link to my website on Reddit - but got a lot of useful feedback too - like discovering a working version of it here LOL
10:32	firstblockchain	thanks for the link
10:33	mircea_popescu	bitcoin is the deeply hidden nugat of breathtaking complexity wrapped in a lot of superficial buzz.
10:34	firstblockchain	when I (recently) discovered some of the other functions that can be accomplished with the blockchain - my mind was blown - and now I discover folks have already been doing it. You know, the guys at the bitcoin foundation don't mention this place when they give conferences....
10:34	mircea_popescu	the guys at the bitcoin foundation are basically one scammer and some dorks.
10:34	mircea_popescu	they probably don't mention that part, either.
10:34	firstblockchain	lol
10:36	firstblockchain	I can see I'm going to have to dig in a bit and wrap my head around it. I live in Indonesia, and the first thing I thought of when I began exploring BTC was how powerful it would be to connect producers with consumers much more easily, by skipping all the middlemen, paperwork and fees involved in transactions. My main focus was how this works with the coffee industry.
10:37	mircea_popescu	yes, the idea is it takes six months to a year of lurking to catch up to speed.
10:38	firstblockchain	Is it a faux-pas if I'm the type of person who doesn't lurk, but just jumps in and tries shit to learn from the results / reactions?
10:39	mircea_popescu	depends how stubborn you are about it.
10:39	nubbins`	mm, coffee
10:39	nubbins`	i roasted coffee for a few years
10:39	nubbins`	indonesia has some nice beans
10:40	mircea_popescu	if you actually learn from the reactions no. if you keep right on like a webrat then yes.
10:40	firstblockchain	I roast here. Indonesia has awesome beans.
10:40	firstblockchain	I put them up for sale for bitcoin to show it could help create a better direct line between source and consumer. I was very happy with the result.
10:40	nubbins`	i recall having an excellent Sumatran peaberry, one of the best i've tasted
10:41	mircea_popescu	i recall there were about 3... maybe 4 coffee sellers for btc over the years
10:41	firstblockchain	webrat - duly noted
10:41	KRS1	two words for coffee: coasta rica
10:41	mircea_popescu	but they didn't really thrive for some reason.
10:41	mircea_popescu	KRS1 i know. i lived there :D
10:41	nubbins`	peaberries make nice coffee, but you generally only see tanzanian peaberry for some odd reason
10:41	KRS1	=D
10:41	nubbins`	my favourite origin is still ethiopia tho, sorry :)
10:41	nubbins`	nothing like a nice yirgacheffe
10:41	KRS1	must be the latitude
10:42	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/chestii-pe-care-mi-le-doresc-dar-nu-le-voi-putea-gasi-niciodata/
10:42	ozbot	Chestii pe care mi le doresc dar nu le voi putea gasi niciodata pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popes
10:42	nubbins`	central american beans are usually nicely balanced
10:42	nubbins`	not outstanding in any one regard, but really good overall
10:42	mircea_popescu	the pic is coffee being roasted in the shop downtown san jose
10:43	nubbins`	yum
10:43	KRS1	neat..bet it smelled heavenly
10:43	nubbins`	roasting coffee smells nothing like brewing coffee :)
10:43	mircea_popescu	it was lovely to sit and have coffee there yeah
10:43	nubbins`	there's this one point where almost all the moisture is drawn out
10:43	firstblockchain	Nice.
10:43	nubbins`	and the beans are yellowing
10:43	nubbins`	and it smells like wet hay
10:43	nubbins`	really, really nice smell
10:43	mircea_popescu	nubbins` it was pretty pleasant.
10:43	nubbins`	i love it
10:44	nubbins`	havoc on my allergies tho, all the chaff floating everywhere
10:44	nubbins`	i visited a coffee plantation in colombia in 2010
10:44	deadweasel	oh, howdy firstblockchain
10:44	nubbins`	i actually still have some green beans here, let me see
10:44	firstblockchain	Hi deadweasel - thanks for the intro and invite
10:45	mircea_popescu	nubbins` only women have alergies.
10:45	mircea_popescu	men have beards.
10:45	nubbins`	ecuador organic espindola, burundi sogestal kirimiro, and a little bit of el salvador finca la montanita
10:45	firstblockchain	I've already received two links here that will keep my mind busy wrapping around what's going on here
10:46	deadweasel	firstblockchain: excellent. glad to hear it.
10:46	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1001703_10153084556505077_72600079_n.jpg
10:46	nubbins`	suppose you have allergies AND a beard?
10:46	nubbins`	oh, also
10:46	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmFnarFSj_U
10:46	ozbot	THE BEARDS - If Your Dad Doesn't Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums (Official Film Clip) - YouTube
10:46	mircea_popescu	my argument! contradicted!
10:47	Diablo-D3	[10:46:21] <nubbins`> mircea_popescu: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1001703_10153084556505077_72600079_n.jpg
10:47	nubbins`	TBF i shaved the beard and the allergies remain D:
10:47	Diablo-D3	inferior beard is inferior
10:47	firstblockchain	One quick question for a "frame of reference" as I start looking at the virtual companies here and how they work - are any of them based on real-world / physical product "businesses" people are running?
10:47	Diablo-D3	firstblockchain: nope, and I'd advise you to stay away from them
10:47	deadweasel	lol
10:47	mircea_popescu	nsa is working on making a secure widget
10:48	mircea_popescu	mg is making a game
10:48	mircea_popescu	mpoe is making people angry
10:48	mircea_popescu	etc.
10:48	jurov`	1200...
10:48	nubbins`	Diablo-D3: you got a contendor?
10:48	firstblockchain	understood - thanks for starting point
10:48	nubbins`	(contender?)
10:48	Diablo-D3	nubbins`: contender, and for what?
10:48	mircea_popescu	jurov` we're so filthy rich a 20% increase doesn't even register anymore.
10:49	nubbins`	beard
10:49	mircea_popescu	another day, another two-three billion added to bitcoin mkt cap
10:49	mircea_popescu	who cares.
10:49	jurov`	ohyea
10:50	nubbins`	heh, came across this one again
10:50	nubbins`	https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1006328_10153093527940088_1669218208_n.jpg
10:50	nubbins`	it didn't get much longer than that
10:50	mircea_popescu	;;calc 12 * 1200 - 8.5 * 30
10:50	gribble	14145
10:50	deadweasel	fire in the sky! nope, that's just nubbins' beard
10:50	mircea_popescu	fun fact : bitcoin gdp for 2013 so far is higher than iceland's
10:51	deadweasel	;;ticker
10:51	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1210.12101, Best ask: 1212.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.87899, Last trade: 1212.0, 24 hour volume: 34113.01465694, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1212.0, 24 hour vwap: 1059.5428
10:51	mircea_popescu	bitcoin is the #117th country in the world by gdp.
10:51	nubbins`	now all we need is a Bjork
10:51	nubbins`	wow, NMC is worth actual money?
10:52	mircea_popescu	irk ?
10:52	nubbins`	i discovered some in my btcguild account yesterday
10:52	mircea_popescu	i think i had bought 10 k or w/e back in 2011 when it was nothing
10:52	mircea_popescu	ciourse i have no fucking recollection who was holding it for me
10:52	nubbins`	wow, NMC doubled in value since yesterday?
10:53	nubbins`	this is great
10:53	mircea_popescu	we will have the best couch cushion stories in the history of huimanity
10:53	jurov`	it kinda spilled over from btc to ltc
10:53	jurov`	and from there to else
10:53	mircea_popescu	"and then i detached this stone which had been wedged in the sole of my shoe for who knows how long
10:53	mircea_popescu	and i sold it for two cars and a wife"
10:53	nubbins`	hahaha
10:53	nubbins`	right?!
10:54	mircea_popescu	much to the delight of someting awful and generally the butthurt brigade.
10:54	nubbins`	;;bc,xau
10:55	gribble	1 XAU = 1244.700000000000 USD = 1.01782502044 BTC
10:55	nubbins`	getting warmer..
10:55	mircea_popescu	wow that's close.
10:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2846 @ 0.00084626 = 2.4085 BTC [-]
10:57	Diablo-D3	;;ticker --market coinbase
10:57	gribble	Coinbase BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1070.02, Best ask: 1100.99, Bid-ask spread: 30.97000, Last trade: 1089.94, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
10:57	nubbins`	the milestones are almost becoming meaningless
10:58	nubbins`	light a joint at $420, it passes $500 before you're finished smoking it
10:58	davout	nubbins`: haha
10:58	thestringpuller	yuuuuup
10:58	thestringpuller	smokah da nug nug
10:59	davout	finally we're beating soccer player at making undeserved money
10:59	davout	*players
10:59	mircea_popescu	fu. it's deserved.
10:59	davout	soccer money? or bitcoin money?
10:59	nubbins`	btc
10:59	mircea_popescu	it's the least all the inferior people on the outside could do to appease our glory and might.
11:00	thestringpuller	;;calc 100000000000 / 21000000
11:00	gribble	4761.9047619
11:00	thestringpuller	interesting.....
11:00	nubbins`	what's more deserved that recognizing an opportunity and siezing it by the scrote?
11:00	davout	i'll concur
11:00	nubbins`	*than
11:00	firstblockchain	re: http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ - I do believe I've finally found the like-minded people I've been roaming the planet for 10 years searching for. I've got some catching up to do - many thanks and hope I might be welcome back here again.
11:00	mircea_popescu	enjoi.
11:00	nubbins`	always welcome, cheers
11:01	deadweasel	firstblockchain, come back anytime. :)
11:01	mircea_popescu	ofcourse these other guys are all me, as it has been well established by various autoauthorities on topics and matters./
11:01	thestringpuller	I'm still cooking popcorn for when the EU tries to start regulating MP
11:01	thestringpuller	It's gonna be like the cold war 2.0
11:01	nubbins`	ah, the eu
11:01	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller trichet has yet to come kiss the pinky ring
11:01	kakobrekla	roaming the earth to find like minded people only to find them in romania
11:01	mircea_popescu	i guess the ecb is pretty illegitimate at this point.
11:01	thestringpuller	LOL
11:02	thestringpuller	;;ud kiss the ring bitch
11:02	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kiss%20the%20rings \| "I've got a 2pm meeting with the boss... but I'm not about to kiss the rings." "You just got crushed 49-0 in Madden-- kiss the rings, bitch!" mark as favorite buy kiss ...
11:02	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: kiss the rings
11:02	mircea_popescu	in other news, i gotta go buy some pinky rings
11:02	nubbins`	hey, speaking of eu, any of you euros care to recommend some must-see things on your continent? i've got two weeks next summer and no destinations in mind apart from the louvre
11:02	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla better than sudan!
11:02	thestringpuller	http://streetdose.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/dj-khaled-kiss-the-ring.jpg - you should just rob him mircea_popescu
11:03	davout	nubbins`: don't go to the louvre
11:03	nubbins`	shrug, wife wants to
11:03	mircea_popescu	nubbins` if you're going to france check out all their brothels. moulin rouge etc.
11:03	nubbins`	moulin rouge, good one
11:03	davout	tourist shithole :-)
11:03	mircea_popescu	davout :D
11:03	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller nah, i need one with spikes.
11:03	mircea_popescu	poisoned spikes
11:03	mircea_popescu	with barbs.
11:04	nubbins`	an airline here started doing direct flights from my city to dublin
11:04	mircea_popescu	davout admit there's nothing worth seeing in paris.
11:04	nubbins`	fun fact: it's cheaper (and quicker) for me to fly to Dublin than to Calgary
11:04	davout	did i ever say otherwise?
11:04	davout	:D
11:04	nubbins`	my family generally agreed that paris is a dirty, busy city
11:04	nubbins`	i've never been
11:05	nubbins`	altho most of my travels have been to dirtier, busier cities
11:05	davout	there is some food to be eaten
11:05	mircea_popescu	ok. now that we agree on that part,
11:05	nubbins`	wouldn't mind checking out germany
11:05	mircea_popescu	guy savoy/meurice/pre catelan are worth checking out
11:05	nubbins`	berlin in particular
11:05	mircea_popescu	lol davout
11:06	davout	DON'T YOU FUCKING LOL AT MY FOOD
11:06	mircea_popescu	i lolled at the fact we said the same thing!
11:06	nubbins`	food is always relevant
11:06	davout	aw sorry, food = srs bzns
11:07	nubbins`	food is the only thing i miss about korea
11:07	mircea_popescu	davout so where do YOU eat
11:07	nubbins`	this guy savoy thing sounds nice
11:07	thestringpuller	thanksgivin in muuuuuricaaa!
11:07	mircea_popescu	nubbins` contrary to what people think, three star restaurants aren't really THAT expensive.
11:08	mircea_popescu	happy dutch-indian party day thestringpuller
11:08	davout	mircea_popescu: http://www.bouillon-chartier.com/
11:09	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: all relative, i suppose
11:09	mircea_popescu	<em>omg is it even starred ?!?!</em>
11:09	davout	i don't think so
11:09	mircea_popescu	pffff
11:09	davout	pretty cheap, pretty good, no fancy shit
11:09	mircea_popescu	In 1896, the Bouillon Chartier was born out of a very simple concept provide a decent meal at a reasonable price and give customers good service in order to earn their loyalty. 50 million meals, and only four owners later, the recipe is still every bit as much a success.
11:09	mircea_popescu	sounds like a decent stable!
11:10	mircea_popescu	davout is it owned by mr tricatel ?
11:10	davout	it is really cool, and the fact that the location is beautiful doesn"t hurt
11:10	davout	mircea_popescu: LMAO
11:10	mircea_popescu	hehehe
11:11	mircea_popescu	you must admit, i make an excellent snob villain.
11:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 52731 @ 0.00041807 = 22.0452 BTC [+] {17}
11:11	deadweasel	no doubt!:)
11:12	nubbins`	"In season 3 of MasterChef it was revealed that Guy Savoy was Gordon Ramsay's culinary mentor."
11:13	nubbins`	i wonder if this savoy guy screams "WHERE'S THE LAMB SAUCE" all the time
11:13	davout	mircea_popescu: you need a cat
11:13	nubbins`	everyone needs a cat
11:13	davout	no no, a fat, evil cat
11:13	nubbins`	several people have suggested i visit beaumont hamel, but that's way too much of a fucking downer
11:14	mircea_popescu	davout http://trilema.com/2009/aveam-un-motan/
11:14	davout	is it yours? is it fat and evil?
11:15	mircea_popescu	it's dead.
11:15	nubbins`	:( nice looking cat
11:16	pankkake	all cats are evil
11:16	mircea_popescu	this is why girls must be trained to be moar like cats.
11:16	pankkake	the only reason they don't kill us is because they're lazy and we feed them
11:16	davout	did you indulge in some rogue taxidermy ?
11:16	mircea_popescu	nah.
11:16	davout	you mean fat?
11:16	mircea_popescu	no, i mean feline.
11:16	mircea_popescu	which comes from fellatio./
11:17	davout	\o/
11:17	mircea_popescu	speaking of cats and shit, anyone's seen that film with the boy adrift with a tiger ?
11:17	mircea_popescu	(life of pi)
11:17	nubbins`	pankkake: i have few doubts that my cat would consume my corpse, if i were to die alone with her
11:17	nubbins`	that's life tho
11:18	nubbins`	havent seen the film nor read the book
11:18	davout	nubbins`: would that be such a terrible thing?
11:18	nubbins`	no, of course not
11:18	nubbins`	i certainly don't need it anymore
11:18	nubbins`	this is common with dogs too
11:19	nubbins`	owner dies alone, neighbours report smell, find well-fed dog and owner missing his face
11:19	nubbins`	it's just instinct
11:20	nubbins`	hm, $997.90 at virtex. would be great to see $1k CAD today
11:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1270 @ 0.00084626 = 1.0748 BTC [-]
11:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.09929999 = 0.1986 BTC [+]
11:20	mircea_popescu	depends on dog.
11:21	kakobrekla	virtex?
11:21	kakobrekla	http://www.petrol.si/sites/www.petrol.si/files/images/Petrol-klub/izdelki/vitrex_limeta_1l_transparent.png
11:21	nubbins`	https://www.cavirtex.com/home
11:23	mircea_popescu	;;bc,xau
11:23	gribble	1 XAU = 1245.700000000000 USD = 1.03377594219 BTC
11:23	nubbins`	drifting away
11:24	nubbins`	still amazing tho
11:24	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
11:24	mircea_popescu	yea
11:24	davout	i'll start paying attention when i can get a kilo for a btc
11:25	mircea_popescu	next year.
11:25	nubbins`	nod
11:25	nubbins`	silk road 3.0
11:26	davout	the next SR spinoff will prob use some trustless escrowing
11:27	davout	"escrowing" does this word even exist?
11:28	nubbins`	escrowtrage
11:28	deadweasel	it's in the log, it exists.
11:28	davout	lol
11:29	deadweasel	sheep marketplace I think is down.
11:29	deadweasel	reddit worrieda bout scam. finally.
11:29	deadweasel	vendors reported 60-70% use of gpg
11:31	nubbins`	that low?
11:31	dexX7	so high?
11:32	dexX7	afaik the rate was much, much lower on sr
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2664 @ 0.00007488 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {2}
11:33	deadweasel	gwern reports 30-50% from sr vendors
11:33	deadweasel	or the two that talked to hiim
11:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1642 @ 0.00007488 = 0.123 BTC [-]
11:36	nubbins`	well, y'know, give people an out and they'll take it
11:37	deadweasel	glad there is low-hanging fruit.
11:37	nubbins`	if you checked each text box for -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----, people would just wrap their cleartext messages in that and carry on.
11:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3050 @ 0.00007457 = 0.2274 BTC [-] {2}
11:38	mircea_popescu	hqhaha
11:40	pankkake	lol, true… and actually I thought of forcing people to gpg that way… but indeed it won't work :(
11:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00177475 = 1.4198 BTC [+] {4}
11:43	Venat	I accept mircea_popescu as my lord and saviour
11:44	pankkake	Venat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.0
11:45	Venat	https://images.weserv.nl/?url=chinezu.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/gizeh_pyramids.jpg&fnr wallpapered
11:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00151566 = 0.1364 BTC [-] {5}
11:48	mircea_popescu	pankkake "we will do anything it takes to stay poor and stupid11!"
11:49	Bugpowder	Anyone here based in HK?
11:50	Venat	im based on hc
11:51	Bugpowder	Looking for smoothest deposit process into one of the exchanges from an HK based account
11:52	Bugpowder	Any advice / experiences you could share?
11:55	pankkake	Venat: http://i.imgur.com/9uEI9am.jpg is wallpapery
11:56	kakobrekla	nice cropping
11:56	pankkake	yeah well, I'm a gimpy gimper
11:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.14488 = 1.4488 BTC [-] {2}
11:57	pankkake	I have the horse half cropped if someone wants to make better memes
11:57	kakobrekla	or just inspired by bbets logo
11:58	nubbins`	heh
11:58	nubbins`	i made one of those too, hold on
11:59	truffles	lol is that end times lol
12:00	nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/wBw2DpJ.png
12:02	truffles	at 1st i was like huh, but then i was like that deep man
12:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1795 @ 0.0004999 = 0.8973 BTC [-]
12:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 990 @ 0.0005 = 0.495 BTC [+]
12:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.000505 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
12:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9052 @ 0.00080134 = 7.2537 BTC [-]
12:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 50000 @ 0.00008809 = 4.4045 BTC [+] {9}
12:10	nubbins`	truffles: there's layers to it, like an ogre
12:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 50000 @ 0.0001009 = 5.045 BTC [+] {18}
12:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 31617 @ 0.00011965 = 3.783 BTC [+] {6}
12:18	thestringpuller	oh no S.MPOE is going dooown
12:18	thestringpuller	sell yo' shaaares
12:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 333 @ 0.00080386 = 0.2677 BTC [+]
12:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.09939989 = 0.1988 BTC [+]
12:30	mod6	;;bc,stats
12:30	gribble	Current Blocks: 271982 \| Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 \| Next Difficulty In: 177 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 700646408.641 \| Estimated Percent Change: 14.95756
12:40	mircea_popescu	"What the devil kind of knight are you, that can't slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil excretes, and your army eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make subjects of Christian sons; we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother."
12:40	mircea_popescu	who said ?
12:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00080238 = 8.6657 BTC [-]
12:45	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu do you have a published list of all the mpbor paid % and loss?
12:45	thestringpuller	like the graph you made last year or will I have to grep trilema?
12:45	parseval	Zaporozhian Cossacks
12:45	mircea_popescu	parseval wd.
12:45	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller in the monthly reports.
12:45	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg3750191#msg3750191
12:45	ozbot	[Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
12:45	kakobrekla	>And it made it even without any basic css work, amazing.
12:45	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
12:46	kakobrekla	HAHAHA
12:46	mircea_popescu	clearly it's a lie
12:46	mircea_popescu	because nothing of any value or import ever was made without css
12:46	mircea_popescu	even the french revolution had it.
12:49	thestringpuller	i like how MPOE-PR is pretty much just toying with him
12:51	Diablo-D3	;;ticker --market coinbase
12:51	gribble	Coinbase BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 999.79, Best ask: 1022.62, Bid-ask spread: 22.83000, Last trade: 1012.35, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
12:51	Diablo-D3	;;ticker --last
12:51	gribble	1179.1301
12:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.17999997 BTC [+]
12:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00080395 = 11.6573 BTC [+] {2}
12:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 212 @ 0.00051 = 0.1081 BTC [+]
12:57	thestringpuller	AMAZING
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.00177899 = 0.5782 BTC [-] {2}
13:03	davout	how i feel when looking at all these ATHs : https://soundcloud.com/user3216274/grossewin-de-1984
13:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.32974789 = 3.2975 BTC [+] {4}
13:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1015 @ 0.00012482 = 0.1267 BTC [-] {2}
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18030 @ 0.00012 = 2.1636 BTC [-]
13:18	jurov`	thestringpuller: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlhB0UHVxS67dGpBc2Rub3FtLTdHZ3ZPb09DY2pHWlE&usp=sharing
13:18	jurov`	hm, should add october
13:21	unbalanced	Hi all, long time no talk. Who do I thank for the log site? That has made it easier to keep up with this channel on a tablet.
13:24	unbalanced	Although talking to said tablet is somehow less interactive. And now I'm way behind. In reverse order:
13:24	unbalanced	nubbins: agree with you that Ethiopian coffee rules
13:24	nubbins`	thumbs up
13:25	nubbins`	it's like drinking blueberries
13:25	unbalanced	Exactly the berries flavour.
13:25	unbalanced	Are you in NFLD I think I read way back?
13:26	nubbins`	yep
13:26	unbalanced	Nice to see another Canadian representing
13:26	unbalanced	There's topace too, who else?
13:27	unbalanced	I think namworld was but haven't seen him in the logs lately.
13:27	nubbins`	yeah i feel like there's someone else
13:27	kakobrekla	ian bakewell
13:27	kakobrekla	also you can thank assbot for teh logs
13:27	unbalanced	Oh and the butthurt guy with the late bet, his "fake" IP was Toronto I think.
13:28	unbalanced	Thank you assbot
13:28	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
13:28	gribble	Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
13:29	assbot	you are welcome
13:29	thestringpuller	i think it's time to replace bitcoin charts
13:29	unbalanced	Whoa assbot just Turing tested me
13:30	assbot	dont worry about it ;)
13:30	kakobrekla	hm i think i havent had this so called ethiopian coffee
13:30	unbalanced	I for one welcome our sentient bot overlords.
13:30	kakobrekla	i want some now
13:31	kakobrekla	is anything here ok http://www.theethiopiancoffeecompany.co.uk/coffees-amp-webshop
13:31	kakobrekla	or what are we looking for?
13:32	unbalanced	Yirgacheffe or Harrar, let me see
13:33	kakobrekla	i see harrar
13:33	kakobrekla	also yirga
13:33	kakobrekla	alright, ill get the two
13:34	unbalanced	There was a guy in Texas selling coffee for BTC a couple of years ago but never updated his prices... I bet it is $20,000 USD a pound by now.
13:35	kakobrekla	blah no turkish grind for harrar
13:37	unbalanced	http://bitbrew.net/edds-ethiopian-harrar/ <-- he did finally update his exchange rates I guess
13:37	ozbot	Edd's Ethiopian Harrar - BitBrew
13:37	nubbins`	never buy preground coffee
13:37	nubbins`	it's good for about 20 minutes after grinding
13:37	kakobrekla	hm
13:37	kakobrekla	i need to get a better grinding machine then
13:37	kakobrekla	any suggestions
13:37	nubbins`	search coffee snob forums, the second-most expensive piece of equipment in their setup is the grinder
13:38	nubbins`	burr grinders are best
13:38	Diablo-D3	nubbins`: no
13:38	Diablo-D3	about 3 days
13:38	Diablo-D3	as long as you keep it well sealed
13:38	nubbins`	much better than blade grinders
13:38	Diablo-D3	mmm conical burr grinders
13:38	kakobrekla	yeah i got the blade one
13:38	Diablo-D3	blade ones suck for coffee
13:38	nubbins`	you can get a decent burr grinder for $200 and up
13:38	kakobrekla	diablo sucks for assets
13:38	Diablo-D3	decent for spices though
13:38	nubbins`	and drugs
13:38	Diablo-D3	;;ticker --market coinbase
13:38	gribble	Coinbase BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 995.64, Best ask: 1022.61, Bid-ask spread: 26.97000, Last trade: 1002.55, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
13:39	nubbins`	but seriously
13:39	nubbins`	uh, bodum makes a good burr grinder
13:39	nubbins`	http://www.bodum.com/ca/en-us/shop/detail/10903-01US/
13:39	ozbot	BISTRO \| Electric coffee grinder Black \| Bodum Online Shop \| Canada
13:40	nubbins`	actually only $140 now
13:40	nubbins`	the sky's the limit tho, some people spend thousands on grinders for their home
13:40	nubbins`	that's a bit much for me tho
13:40	kakobrekla	i dont see this brand in yurop
13:40	nubbins`	problem with blade grinders is that all your grinds are different sizes -- dust and boulders
13:41	kakobrekla	o wait theres something
13:41	nubbins`	burr grinder produces uniform sized grinds for a more consistent extraction
13:41	nubbins`	Hario Skerton is a good, affordable hand-cranked burr grinder, but it's tiring
13:44	nubbins`	honestly, with a Skerton, an AeroPress, and a kettle, you could make a cup of coffee that would rival any other. All for about a $60 investment.
13:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00148857 = 0.5954 BTC [-] {10}
13:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.12100001 = 0.363 BTC [-]
13:54	unbalanced	agreed... I'm fine with my basic setup, as long as they're fresh ground beans
13:55	kakobrekla	ok
13:56	kakobrekla	so i ordered about 3kg of coffee from that site
13:56	kakobrekla	lets see what comes out of it
13:56	nubbins`	lovely!
13:57	unbalanced	enjoy
13:57	kakobrekla	i hope i will, most of the order will be gifts for people though
13:57	kakobrekla	if i like it ill reorder
13:58	unbalanced	firstblockchain, if you're still lurking, ping me sometime re: direct BTC trade for coffee, I'll mention it to a local roaster...
13:59	unbalanced	I've been planning to write an article about direct global commerce / disintermediation and was thinking of coffee as a perfect case, and when I read your post earlier today in the logs it prodded me to actually fire up the IRC client for the first time in a while.
14:00	nubbins`	the folks at Sweet Maria's do a lot of direct-from-the-farm buying
14:00	nubbins`	http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php
14:00	unbalanced	using bitcoin?
14:01	nubbins`	nah
14:01	nubbins`	altho in the future, who knows?
14:01	nubbins`	if anyone could pull it off, it's them
14:01	nubbins`	they really know their shit, and they're not afraid to get their hands dirty
14:02	unbalanced	Noobs are always telling me that if they can't buy their Tim's with Bitcoin, what's the point? I remind them that not every part of the world has PayPass and Interac and all the other conveniences we take for granted up here.
14:02	unbalanced	Perfect
14:02	unbalanced	I think it's this sort of 50lb-bag coffee buying where bitcoin is way more useful.
14:02	unbalanced	Small store to small famr.
14:02	unbalanced	er, family farm.
14:03	nubbins`	yeah
14:03	nubbins`	sweet maria's also sells sacks wholesale
14:04	nubbins`	http://coffeeshrub.com/
14:04	ozbot	Coffee Shrub \| The Coffee Shrub
14:05	nubbins`	i almost went into roasting as a full-time business
14:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3297 BTC [-]
14:05	unbalanced	noice
14:05	nubbins`	did a few pounds a week for a couple of years
14:05	nubbins`	haven't touched it in a while tho
14:06	unbalanced	The coworking space I'm in should move into a roaster's. Or move a roaster in. People would never leave.
14:07	nubbins`	the problem with urban roasting at any scale is the smoke and odor
14:07	nubbins`	and afterburners are expensive :0
14:07	nubbins`	i've had people on the next block call me and say "are you roasting right now?"
14:07	unbalanced	Okay, so we move next door to a roaster. Noted.
14:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00080238 = 1.8455 BTC [-]
14:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9081 @ 0.00080134 = 7.277 BTC [-]
14:09	nubbins`	roasting actually stinks, better to move into a coffee shop ;)
14:10	nubbins`	even better if they bake, too
14:11	unbalanced	Good idea
14:13	unbalanced	What was that old Saturday Night Live skit where someone was so slow at conversation, the conversation would move on and then he'd come up with a comeback to something 3 topics ago?
14:13	unbalanced	That's what I feel like today.
14:13	nubbins`	heh
14:13	unbalanced	For example -- BingoBoingo, thanks for the gpgpgp guide link above, I'll pass that around
14:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4222 @ 0.00010001 = 0.4222 BTC [-]
14:16	unbalanced	And thestringpuller, agree with you about bitcoin charts. I'm sick of having nowhere else to go for Virtex charts whenever things get interesting (read: dramatic) in the Bitcoiniverse because Bitcoincharts is down again.
14:16	unbalanced	Decided last week to do something about it so if I pull it off I'll pre-announce here so you guys can tell me all the ways it sucks.
14:17	unbalanced	I'm sure bitcoinwisdom or clarkmoody could add Virtex too but we do a lot of charting at work so we figure it might be a way to make ourselves useful.
14:18	kakobrekla	>SanDisk Technical Support is provided for customer service in which politeness and civility is expected of both support agents and customers. Use of profanity or abuse is not tolerated by SanDisk management. SanDisk management has authorized immediate termination of any support in which customer is intentionally being offensive or using profanity.
14:18	unbalanced	(and if you know of anyone else charting Virtex, let me know)
14:18	kakobrekla	they fuck me in the ass like a dog, then they expect profanity
14:19	kakobrekla	not expect*
14:19	kakobrekla	you catch my drift...
14:19	unbalanced	thought you might have missed a word there but didn't want to get all the profanities for pointing it out
14:20	thestringpuller	unbalanced: you want to make a replacement for bitcoincharts?
14:20	kakobrekla	myeah should have switched profanity with politeness and left the not out
14:22	unbalanced	Yes
14:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5622 @ 0.00079957 = 4.4952 BTC [-]
14:22	unbalanced	and yes
14:23	unbalanced	For Virtex first... things that the big charting gurus are ignoring.
14:26	unbalanced	The OrganOfCorti site is great for charting insights... and is also a .ca so maybe he's Canadian http://organofcorti.blogspot.ca/2013/11/162-short-post-on-mapping-historical.html
14:28	pankkake	actually, blogspot redirects you to your country's tld
14:28	pankkake	that thing is stupid
14:28	unbalanced	Well crap. So much for driving over and taking him to lunch.
14:29	pankkake	oh, bfl now claims 65 nm is shipped right away
14:29	pankkake	perhaps he's canadian anyway
14:29	unbalanced	I haven't reached out to him yet, I just read his stuff.
14:31	unbalanced	But instead of quoting Tufte he links at the top of that post to a Naomi Robbins PDF from U of Ottawa, so I hold out hope.
14:33	unbalanced	The reason I care is I am starting up bitcoins.ca and I want it to have useful content, not just be an affiliate link hole like www.bitcoin.com
14:33	unbalanced	So charts, a mining calculator, how to guides...
14:35	unbalanced	I'd like to do an MPEX options calculator too. I will put a coinbr affiliate link up there, jurov... I'm not against affiliate links, I'd just want to add something useful to site to earn the traffic.
14:37	nubbins`	phew, just finished trimming 50 books by hand
14:37	nubbins`	we really, really need a stack cutter.
14:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 222 @ 0.0017799 = 0.3951 BTC [+] {3}
14:38	unbalanced	What sizes of print runs can you do?
14:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 705 @ 0.00046 = 0.3243 BTC [-] {4}
14:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00177997 = 0.712 BTC [-] {3}
14:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00177899 = 0.3078 BTC [-] {2}
14:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.0029674 = 0.2255 BTC [-] {9}
14:44	Venat	hello
14:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00286922 = 0.1349 BTC [-] {3}
14:44	Venat	our god is not here
14:45	Venat	shine in his glory!
14:45	Venat	as he has paved our way
14:45	Venat	We should start the mircea cult
14:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2818 @ 0.00080099 = 2.2572 BTC [+]
14:48	dub	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg3750191#msg3750191
14:48	ozbot	[Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
14:48	dub	gizzold
14:48	Venat	what are these symbols called in english '< and >'
14:48	frb	angle brackets
14:48	frb	also less than sign and greater than sign
14:48	dub	lefty and righty
14:48	pankkake	Venat: the popescult
14:48	Venat	well
14:49	Venat	thanks frb dub and pankkake
14:49	pankkake	I usually don't call them but draw them in the air
14:50	Venat	pankkake, ca va?
14:50	pankkake	ça va
14:51	Venat	je cherche trop de books? online
14:51	Venat	sur le internet?
14:51	Venat	man, my french is rusty like fuquer
14:51	pankkake	trop ? you're looking for too much books ?
14:51	pankkake	sur l'internet
14:52	KRS1	Google translate of the Chinese site okcoin.com translated Lightcoin as Wrightcoin. =/
14:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2758 @ 0.00079804 = 2.201 BTC [-]
14:56	nubbins`	unbalanced: we mostly do small runs, but have done some larger
14:56	nubbins`	have an order for 5000 silkscreened certificates in the works right now
14:57	nubbins`	books, we usually do less than 100 at a time
15:02	unbalanced	Nice, if I ever get an self-pub project written I'll contact you.
15:02	unbalanced	^ Plenty of other ambitious things to do first of course ^
15:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.0001239 = 0.3469 BTC [+]
15:03	nubbins`	great, always a pleasure to work on something new
15:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32974999 BTC [+]
15:11	Venat	nubbins`, I admire you
15:12	nubbins`	i can't imagine why
15:13	pankkake	your beardiness?
15:14	nubbins`	heh
15:14	nubbins`	nah, i'm a baby-face now
15:14	jurov`	trolltalk down for anyone else?
15:14	pankkake	yeah
15:14	Venat	can confirm trolltalk down
15:14	pankkake	hacked again!
15:14	nubbins`	shit, that's where i keep all my bitcoins
15:16	pankkake	that makes me think, you could hide private keys in plain sight
15:16	nubbins`	private key steganography
15:16	pankkake	those that are generated from sentences
15:17	nubbins`	perfect until the forum you've stored them on goes down
15:17	pankkake	hehe
15:17	nubbins`	oh hey, i got a krugerrand in the mail today
15:17	pankkake	how much did you pay?
15:19	nubbins`	couple of btc
15:19	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/vwyAmFb
15:19	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
15:19	nubbins`	surprisingly small and heavy
15:19	nubbins`	that's a silver maple leaf underneath
15:20	pankkake	cool
15:20	pankkake	I don't really like the color of krugerrands
15:21	nubbins`	it's really odd, almost like a penny
15:21	unbalanced	holy cow the krug just transmuted your silver maple into gold
15:21	nubbins`	not nearly as appealing as .999+
15:21	unbalanced	Or you work in a darkroom.
15:22	unbalanced	Or my monitor sucks.
15:22	nubbins`	there's yellow lights down here
15:22	nubbins`	photosensitive business, screenprinting
15:26	unbalanced	Hi Namworld (There he is, .ca I wasn't crazy.)
15:27	Namworld	?
15:32	unbalanced	We were just listing who might be in Canada
15:33	unbalanced	Do you still host VPS'esesss?
15:34	unbalanced	(Hi, I'm Troy McClure... I hung around here a lot during the April bubble, then reverted to reading the log site assbot made.)
15:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 310 @ 0.00036702 = 0.1138 BTC [-] {3}
15:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 21056 @ 0.00033358 = 7.0239 BTC [-] {11}
15:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0003 = 0.15 BTC [-]
15:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3080 @ 0.00028476 = 0.8771 BTC [-] {8}
		~ 16 minutes ~
15:58	Namworld	Well I'm somewhat retired from that. Arij manages pretty much everything for BitVPS now.
16:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 4.46208006 BTC to 8`898 shares, 50147 satoshi per share
		~ 16 minutes ~
16:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03175249 = 0.127 BTC [-] {3}
16:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.06 = 0.54 BTC [-] {2}
16:23	nubbins`	worth mentioning here, as well
16:23	nubbins`	you can trace almost every wikipedia article back to "philosophy" just by continually clicking the first non-bracketed, non-italicized link in each article
		~ 20 minutes ~
16:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00027002 = 0.405 BTC [-] {4}
16:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00286517 = 0.2865 BTC [-] {5}
16:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.32974999 = 2.3082 BTC [+] {2}
16:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3298 = 0.9894 BTC [+]
17:10	thestringpuller	will bitvps ever be relisted?
17:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00079437 = 64.1057 BTC [-] {2}
17:12	thestringpuller	;;calc (0.00078918 - 0.00079437)
17:12	gribble	-5.19e-06
17:12	thestringpuller	;;calc (0.00079437 - 0.00078918)
17:12	gribble	5.19e-06
17:12	thestringpuller	;;calc (0.00079437 - 0.00078918) / 0.00079437
17:12	gribble	0.006533479361
		~ 18 minutes ~
17:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00079461 = 11.3629 BTC [+]
17:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.12100001 BTC [-]
17:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00079461 = 4.4498 BTC [+]
17:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9176 @ 0.00079269 = 7.2737 BTC [-]
		~ 23 minutes ~
18:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3130 @ 0.00010001 = 0.313 BTC [-] {2}
18:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5209 @ 0.00010001 = 0.521 BTC [-] {2}
18:26	thestringpuller	;;goxlag
18:26	gribble	MtGox lag is 4.040613 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00809734321104 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Saturn to its largest moon, Titan (0.00802 AU).
18:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31908 @ 0.00079052 = 25.2239 BTC [-] {2}
18:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9185 @ 0.00078908 = 7.2477 BTC [-] {2}
18:38	unbalanced	http://bitbet.us/bet/627/1btc-1-oz-gold-before-christmas-2013/ seems to be a duplicate of http://bitbet.us/bet/598/1-btc-will-surpass-price-of-1-troy/ other than the timeframe
18:38	ozbot	BitBet - 1BTC >= 1 oz gold before Christmas 2013
18:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 34485 @ 0.0001 = 3.4485 BTC [-] {4}
18:39	dub	!ticker mpex s.mpoe
18:39	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078616 / 0.00080075 / 0.0008476 (231533 shares, 185.40 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00079089 / 0.0008476 (891194 shares, 704.84 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082246 / 0.00088996 (5452525 shares, 4,484.53 BTC)
18:39	unbalanced	How much of that are you willing to allow? I could see a line monthly bets on BTC at 1000, 1100, etc all year long as almost an alternative to options.
18:40	dub	tanking
18:42	thestringpuller	;;ticker
18:42	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1155.5321, Best ask: 1164.57941, Bid-ask spread: 9.04731, Last trade: 1155.5321, 24 hour volume: 32093.19373638, 24 hour low: 1032.15, 24 hour high: 1224.59998, 24 hour vwap: 1143.64194
18:42	thestringpuller	unbalanced: how would that be an alternative to options? wouldn't that be more of a futures contract?
18:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18546 @ 0.0001 = 1.8546 BTC [-] {2}
18:43	unbalanced	Right, futures
18:43	unbalanced	But futures the average new holder of BTC can grok.
18:44	unbalanced	Blurry lines between investing/speculation/gambling... no lines, really
18:46	unbalanced	If we assume that mpex BTC options are the only ones that count, a series of bitbets would let people speculate on something further out.
18:46	unbalanced	But you're right, they wouldn't have a defined payoff.
18:47	unbalanced	Because scalpers.
18:49	unbalanced	It could cover more outcomes though, not just the price of BTC at date X but any propositions bitbet users come up with.
18:49	unbalanced	Samuel L Jackson remains the highest-grossing movie star of all time to Apr, May, Jun...
18:51	unbalanced	They could throw up a matrix of 100 propositions by 12 deadlines. But I guess that becomes proposition spam with no one anchoring each one.
19:04	taub	Lucky Strike Red (10 packs x 20 cigarettes) 1 0.19264 BTC 0.19264 BTC
19:04	taub	oh man
19:04	taub	they cawst me 200 eur instead of 20
19:04	taub	deflation man
19:05	unbalanced	A month ago?
19:05	taub	yea
19:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00177999 = 0.2848 BTC [-]
19:06	unbalanced	I think I've figured something out (or maybe read it here and boom, Inception)
19:07	unbalanced	The only valid thing to spend a deflationary currency on is something that will make you more money than holding it.
19:07	thestringpuller	unbalanced: that's not true
19:07	thestringpuller	you can spend profits over time as long as you mitigate the cash flow correctly
19:07	thestringpuller	for instance miners
19:08	taub	deflation is fine, but obviously rapid one like this isn't really classic deflation
19:08	taub	just growing pains
19:09	unbalanced	If it's the miner's only income they have to convert some to local currency to buy groceries and pay rent, electricity, sure.
19:09	unbalanced	(which allows them to continue earning a living)
19:10	unbalanced	But can we ever recommend that John Q Noob buy bitcoins to load on their phone to buy their daily coffee or smokes?
19:11	thestringpuller	unbalanced: no you can't, because that's not a good utility for it, and never was
19:11	unbalanced	Right, I'm with you there.
19:12	unbalanced	MSM misconstrues that all the time.
19:13	unbalanced	I really want to help popularize Bitcoin here in Canada, but without encouraging everyone to get them because they're just awesome.
19:13	unbalanced	Find the utility, use them as a tool.
19:14	unbalanced	Not to buy a cup of coffee, although if I'm a coffee roaster, I may want to accept Bitcoin.
19:14	thestringpuller	it's good for moving money around though
19:14	unbalanced	Collect it so I can send it to Ethiopia or Indonesia for more coffee.
19:14	thestringpuller	the idea use case would be: Person earns btc by doing some work
19:14	unbalanced	The good stuff, in big bags, without fees and middlemen.
19:14	thestringpuller	person spends some of those btc to you for a cup of coffee
19:15	thestringpuller	ideal*
19:15	unbalanced	Right
19:16	thestringpuller	there is no point in buying btc anymore
19:16	thestringpuller	well there is as a store of value....
19:16	unbalanced	Speculation sure
19:17	unbalanced	Speaking of which
19:17	unbalanced	I put up some propositions on bitbet...
19:17	unbalanced	http://bitbet.us/propositions/
19:17	unbalanced	BTCChina 30d BTC volume to exceed next 10 largest exchanges combined
19:17	thestringpuller	i would say the ideal situation for joe schmoe buying btc
19:17	unbalanced	Before April 1st 2014, Bitcoin will hit $2000 USD without dipping below $500
19:17	thestringpuller	would be to buy BTC and invest it in a good vehicle like MPBOR bonds on a good month
19:18	thestringpuller	or MPOE long term
19:18	unbalanced	How do they know "a good month" in advance?
19:19	thestringpuller	you don't it's hit or miss
19:19	thestringpuller	jurov has a sheet
19:19	thestringpuller	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlhB0UHVxS67dGpBc2Rub3FtLTdHZ3ZPb09DY2pHWlE&usp=sharing#gid=0
19:19	thestringpuller	of previous months
19:19	thestringpuller	the more volatile the currency is the more likely there is to be a loss on MPBOR
19:19	unbalanced	Let alone how to buy on mpex. My Coinbr affiliate link: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=F5AaxgxFkQ
19:19	thestringpuller	lol
19:19	unbalanced	Nice, clicking
19:20	thestringpuller	if you're going to hold BTC and want to spend them, you need to have an income stream going into the btc economy
19:21	thestringpuller	or an income stream generated by the economy, however there isn't much worth investing in, I feel Havelock will go the way of BTCTCO soon
19:21	unbalanced	Exactly. Mining, or a useful web service, or BTC-denominated investments.
19:21	unbalanced	I have confidence in HI... just not in many of their listings.
19:22	unbalanced	I finally have some ideas for "services useful to people with Bitcoin in hand" so I'm working on those now.
19:24	unbalanced	Huh. The MPOE bonds on that spreadsheet have too much of a history of Taleb-flagged "blow ups" for my taste.
19:24	unbalanced	Well, they didn't go to 0 I guess.
19:24	thestringpuller	yea, it's gonna take time unfortunately but it keeps use from experiencing what happened in 2011
19:24	thestringpuller	us*
19:28	unbalanced	To which disaster do you refer? I can't remember that far back although I'm sure I read about it.
19:29	unbalanced	Have to bolt, will read the log later on.
19:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18959 @ 0.00079422 = 15.0576 BTC [+] {3}
19:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 139 @ 0.00303288 = 0.4216 BTC [+] {5}
19:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6472 @ 0.000798 = 5.1647 BTC [+] {2}
19:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.03199999 = 0.352 BTC [+]
19:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.311611 = 0.9348 BTC [-] {3}
19:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3116 = 0.9348 BTC [-]
19:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00286776 = 0.152 BTC [-] {9}
19:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1958 @ 0.00139643 = 2.7342 BTC [-] {16}
19:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1241 @ 0.001346 = 1.6704 BTC [-] {2}
19:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00177979 = 0.6995 BTC [+] {2}
20:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05088461 = 0.6615 BTC [-] {4}
20:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00032 = 0.64 BTC [-] {3}
		~ 48 minutes ~
20:56	firstblockchain	unbalanced - hello from Bali. Saw your query about my bitcoin / coffee - article on my project was written here: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-can-free-coffee-from-the-middlemen/
20:58	thestringpuller	using bitcoin for coffee procurement?
20:58	firstblockchain	other way around
20:59	nubbins`	using coffee for bitcoin procurement
20:59	nubbins`	unbalanced: all this does is create a situation where people are reluctant to spend more than they have to
20:59	nubbins`	that's just being fiscally prudent :P
21:00	nubbins`	do i need to buy this coffee or should i save, all the while your electricity bill denominated in btc decreases each month
21:02	firstblockchain	next house - complete off-grid solar electric system purchased with BTC. - and a composting toilet too ;)
21:03	nubbins`	now you're talking
21:05	unbalanced	Thanks firstblockchain, will read up.
21:05	firstblockchain	cheers unbalanced
21:07	unbalanced	Was just watching The Amazing Race, they're in Bandung this episode
21:07	firstblockchain	Trying to find people with rentable / purchasable land in Costa Rica who are bitcoin friendly. Want to set up a few solar powered yurts, wire up with some good internet, plant some tubers and coffee and operate from there. Going to be a pain to ship my roaster there from indonesia though...
21:10	firstblockchain	just had some Arabica from Bandung. Some good stuff coming out of west Java now. It supposedly includes some of the old dutch strains that were originally planted way back when on the East Java plantations - the original "Java" coffee of Mocha Java fame.
21:10	unbalanced	Okay now I want to try Indonesian coffee. Will grab some at my usual stop for a change of pace.
21:10	unbalanced	nubbins, good point about Bitcoin making people properly frugal
21:12	unbalanced	Meanwhile the channel seems suspisciously quiet as if all the European reps are off for the day, on planes heading to pick up Black Friday deals in the US.
21:12	unbalanced	Or maybe it's just late.
21:12	nubbins`	it can be two things
21:12	nubbins`	but i mean, i don't regret buying things with bitcoin just because the value has gone up
21:13	nubbins`	on the contrary
21:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3294949 = 0.659 BTC [+] {2}
21:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00079665 = 7.8868 BTC [-] {2}
21:14	nubbins`	by the time the majority of transactions take place with btc, the amounts changing hands will be miniscule
21:14	nubbins`	you just gotta grease the wheel to keep it moving until it can turn on its own
21:16	unbalanced	firstblockchain, that article is way better than what I was going to write. I was going to write about the theory, you're doing it. Well played.
21:18	firstblockchain	unbalanced - been a wild two months since I started it. I figured, let's just do it and see what happens. Mostly getting to meet people involved with BTC and learning about all the possibilities - and different angles
21:19	firstblockchain	Quite the extreme - say, all the Chinese fiat investors, startups concered only with Gov't regulations, etc.. I met at Bitcoin 2013 in Singapore a few weeks ago - and say, what's been going on HERE for apparently much,much longer
21:24	unbalanced	Just ordered me 200g of your Bali Kintamani Arabica Coffee
21:25	unbalanced	Take that, Silk Road! Legit international trade in addictive substances.
21:26	unbalanced	Oh, Bitpay is good: "this invoice has been overpaid"
21:26	unbalanced	I'm still not used to $1000 BTC.
21:27	unbalanced	Just send me 10, I'll spread them around.
21:35	thestringpuller	boom boom boom
21:36	thestringpuller	i want to buy the best coffee on the planet how much?
21:36	thestringpuller	like coffee that requires 0 cream
21:36	firstblockchain	unbalanced - lol - just got a notice from bitpay about the overpayment. They won't let me accept it without opening a support ticket first. It says you can also request a refund.
21:36	firstblockchain	thestringpuller - if it needs cream or sugar, it ain't coffee
21:38	firstblockchain	unbalanced - your choice - happy to ship 10. I'll box them up and send them express EMS in that case. Appreciate the support either way!
21:41	unbalanced	I'll take 10. Do I need to sign off on the ticket?
21:41	unbalanced	Christmas gifts for the team
21:43	firstblockchain	Unbalanced Nice - thanks. I'll send in the requested support ticket. I assume they'll touch base with you to confirm that's what you wanted.
21:44	unbalanced	Sure thing
21:44	firstblockchain	Meanwhile - I'll fire up the roaster. Just got the latest green beans from the Bali Kintamani farms up the mountain here at the pad - roasted and cupped samples yesterday. I think you'll like these.
21:45	unbalanced	Nice, thanks man!
21:45	unbalanced	I envy your Tim Ferris lifestyle but now I don't have to envy your coffee.
21:48	unbalanced	nubbins, PM me your shop address and I'll send some your way, if you aren't washed away in the footage I saw on the Weather Network today
21:49	unbalanced	If not, I understand... but you post pics of yourself and your gold coins dude...
21:49	unbalanced	You might as well try Indonesian coffee from strangers. Live a little before someone shows up and stabs you for your coins.
21:49	firstblockchain	unbalaned - thanks again. Just contacted support - I'll keep an eye out for confirmation. Let me know if any issue arises on your end. Cheers!
21:50	unbalanced	Thanks
21:52	unbalanced	nubbins, I'm just projecting my paranoia about even coming out and disclosing that I use bitcoin.
21:52	unbalanced	I'm more used to lurking and reading but I think the senate hearings and Chinese adoption have gone to my head this week.
21:52	unbalanced	Exciting times. Anyway, I'll shaddup, catch you all later!
		~ 28 minutes ~
22:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00079824 = 34.005 BTC [+] {4}
22:21	dub	laotian coffee is supposed to be the best
22:21	dub	but thats probably just circlejerkary
22:22	dub	firstblockchain: what do you know about rabies
22:23	firstblockchain	dub - if the dog's head is facing you, but his eyes are blank and the tail ain't moving, back the funk up
22:23	dub	got bitten by a monkey in that fucking monkey forest tourist scam
22:24	firstblockchain	<dub> I live close by. Seen plenty of people bit by those little shits.
22:25	dub	locals say they are clean but im sceptical and rabies is fucking scary shit
22:25	firstblockchain	The monkeys know you if you walk through all the time - don't harass you.
22:25	dub	docters back home had to call the CDC equiv, test was basically, 'is the patient trying to eat you? yes/no'
22:26	firstblockchain	Nah, tons of dogs with it here. They have to cull all the time because of all the rabid strays.
22:26	firstblockchain	Locals think the dogs are their reincarnated relatives, so they it is difficult to take care of all the strays.
22:28	dub	some odd customs over there for sure, saw a couple fo funerals type parties up close
22:30	firstblockchain	wild, right? last one in our village was a creamation for over 100 bodies. They have to save up for the cremeations, so the bodies rest in shallow graves for up to four years until the big "group creamation" is ready to go. Then they parade the corpses through town to the funeral pyre.
22:31	firstblockchain	cremation rather
22:31	firstblockchain	they are wrapped in cloth, and there's a ton of incense burning, but still on a 90+ degree day, it is one stinky parade
22:33	firstblockchain	still, not as bad as Sulawesi, Indonesia. There, the person isn't considered "dead" until the cremation has happened. So, until they can save enough money for a proper cremation ceremony, the corpse stays in the house with the family. They dress it every day and sit it in a chair in the family room. And put it back in bed at night.
22:33	dub	yah a buddy filmed on of those in ubud
22:34	dub	the cremation parade that is
22:34	firstblockchain	strong incense is an in-demand product throughout Indonesia
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23:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3288675 = 1.3155 BTC [-] {2}
23:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.0007987 = 11.3415 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 22 minutes ~
23:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00079813 = 5.5071 BTC [-]
23:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00295058 = 0.1033 BTC [-] {3}

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