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00:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6440 @ 0.00080848 = 5.2066 BTC [-]
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00:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.000829 = 2.3212 BTC [+]
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01:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.373275 = 2.9862 BTC [-] {5}
01:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.0904 = 0.2712 BTC [-]
01:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 175 @ 0.00350005 = 0.6125 BTC [+] {2}
01:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.0904 = 0.6328 BTC [-]
01:29	deadweasel	--;;ticker
01:29	deadweasel	;;ticker
01:29	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 971.1, Best ask: 971.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 971.1, 24 hour volume: 30916.56976100, 24 hour low: 852.65257, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 920.05895
01:30	Venat	getting closer
01:36	BingoBoingo	;;market sell 195000
01:36	gribble	A market order to sell 195000 bitcoins right now would net 37963764.0679 USD and would take the last price down to 3.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 194.6860 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 4.8101 seconds
01:36	assbot	123!
01:37	Venat	;;ud hark
01:37	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hark | 1. hark. an exclamation of joy. or anything. hark! i made an a!! mark as ... Hark. A person in a state of drunkardness that results in inconceivably retarded actions.
01:37	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: hark
01:52	truffles	lol
01:52	Venat	sup truff
01:53	truffles	nada, u?
01:53	Venat	won poker yesterday
01:53	truffles	cool
01:53	Venat	35$ that is
01:54	truffles	at the casino?
01:55	BingoBoingo	I can't help but feel Kasparov is writing about is own loss to Kramnik in this postmortem of Carlsen's victory over Anand http://time100.time.com/2013/11/25/a-new-king-for-a-new-era-in-chess/#ixzz2loi6AQXx
01:55	truffles	oh
01:55	truffles	chess fanatic ?
01:56	BingoBoingo	I follow it casually
01:56	truffles	who's ur fav
01:57	BingoBoingo	For the drama I'm partial to Fisher during his decline
01:57	truffles	cant not love fisher
01:57	truffles	what caused his spiral though
01:58	BingoBoingo	Fischer was a champion of trolling IRL
01:58	truffles	i recall now, its playing in a country US had sanctioned
01:59	BingoBoingo	truffles: I'm not sure what caused Fischer's downward turn. Maybe it was a mental health issue. Maybe it was a crafty way to technically never lose the championship by appearing batshit crazy
02:00	truffles	im biased so i disgree :D
02:02	truffles	it mustve started in the 60's when he found religion..
02:04	truffles	forgot about the antisemiticism..
02:09	dexX7	TAT_Investments: you're around?
02:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03303003 = 0.1321 BTC [-] {2}
02:17	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.0 this stinks
02:17	ozbot	[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
02:17	pankkake	thankfully I don't have much neobee…
02:17	dexX7	that's why i was looking for tat hehe
02:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.03300006 = 0.429 BTC [-] {3}
02:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00350006 = 0.329 BTC [+]
02:20	truffles	didnt they just start up, now they cant pay??
02:20	pankkake	bitfunder can't pay
02:20	pankkake	but why would neobee do anything to help?
02:21	pankkake	first btc bailout? :|
02:22	truffles	only 1 yr in biz
02:22	truffles	almost 1 yr*
02:22	BingoBoingo	Oh, shit! This is looking just like last fall and winter!
02:23	BingoBoingo	If the NeoBee guy didn't refer to Ukyo as Jon I'd think he was refering to Oliver/Usagi
02:24	mircea_popescu	ouch.
02:24	mircea_popescu	if i hadn't told the guy to be careful who he mixes up with, it'd be one thing ;/
02:24	truffles	why cant bitfunder pay?
02:25	pankkake	general incompetence I guess
02:25	truffles	theyve got some nice features etc
02:25	pankkake	if by features you mean bugs
02:25	truffles	im going off the list here lol
02:25	truffles	never used it
02:26	BingoBoingo	Last year there was just one GLBSE. This year there was BTC-TC and Buttfunder. The big question is the growth rate of fail exchanges additive and we get to watch 3 die or is it going to be exponential and 4 die?
02:26	pankkake	I haven't looked at whac crypto-trade is doing
02:26	pankkake	but btcinvest is not going to end well
02:27	BingoBoingo	truffles: Bitfunder can't pay because they tried backing a commodity with purchases of this maybe in an attempt to short BTC against fiat? http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/142517860/Private_Label_Personal_Lubricant.html
02:27	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves ^
02:28	BingoBoingo	pankkake: btcinvest was TradeFortress so that is already beyond fucked
02:28	truffles	personal lubricant heh
02:28	BingoBoingo	truffles: Check the minimum order quantity
02:28	pankkake	BingoBoingo: hmm no the other one. btcinve.com
02:28	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo look on the bright side : the sinking of glbse meant ~5k off the hands of innocent investors btc gone-gone
02:29	truffles	275 nice
02:29	mircea_popescu	btctc + weex dissolved maybe 1-2k of actual investors funds, not counting what paper worth of related parties was sunk.
02:29	mircea_popescu	there will probably be more than 8 "exchanges" gone in 2014,
02:29	mircea_popescu	taking with them maybe 100 btc
02:29	mircea_popescu	one's an exponential going up, the other however's an exponential going down.
02:30	truffles	why jump to conclusions so fast, its only been a week?
02:30	mircea_popescu	by 2020 we will have 10 exchanges fold up each week, for a total loss of fiddy satoshi.
02:30	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I find all of these failings beneficial to me. The mere existence of GLBSE and Pirateat40 did how much to artificially suppress BTC against fiat in 2012?
02:31	mircea_popescu	who's to know exactly. the guy did get publicly humiliated when he tried to "manipulate" the exchange rate.
02:31	dexX7	who?
02:31	dexX7	nefario?
02:31	mircea_popescu	pirate.
02:31	dexX7	ah
02:32	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/
02:32	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
02:32	mircea_popescu	i love how this bet went
02:33	mircea_popescu	nonononoyesyesyesyes
02:34	jurov`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.0 ThickAsThieves can you confirm this?
02:34	ozbot	[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
02:35	Diablo-D3	not this shit again
02:35	Diablo-D3	Im so glad I got out when I did
02:35	jurov`	oh already posted
02:36	truffles	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg3528426#msg3528426 too funny
02:36	ozbot	[BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading
02:37	mircea_popescu	what's "Rewritable Options Trading" supposed to mean anyway
02:38	jurov`	their options were rewritable somehow.. dunno what it means, never actually used them due to exorbitant fees
02:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 279 @ 0.00210821 = 0.5882 BTC [-] {2}
02:39	truffles	", start working on the BTC securities trade system of the future without ever having worked for MPEx, without having humbly presented your inept ideas to the most grandiose master Mircea Popescu" such jems
02:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3801 BTC [+]
02:50	Venat	does Opera 18 have no turbo mode anymore
03:02	pankkake	they renamed it to NSA mode
03:05	Venat	pankkake,
03:05	Venat	i am watching you on the forums
03:05	Venat	http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/eren-will-make-them-pay.png
03:07	pankkake	:o
03:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0904 = 0.3616 BTC [-]
03:11	Venat	anyways
03:11	Venat	whats up with tradefortress
03:12	BingoBoingo	Venat: Seems he is slowly fading away
03:12	Venat	well
03:12	Venat	is he a scammer now or a victim
03:14	BingoBoingo	Venat: You see that is a very Bitcoin problem. Because he can't pay everyone back he is a scammer whether he was actually hacked or if he is simply stealing the coins himself.
03:14	BingoBoingo	Venat: He could be both scammer and victim
03:14	pankkake	some scammers try to paint themselves as incompetent (labcoin)
03:14	pankkake	realsolid, interestingly, is very competent
03:14	pankkake	he could probably run successful businesses honestly
03:15	Venat	he claimed to have most of the funds in cold storage
03:15	Venat	thats the thing that itches me the most
03:15	Venat	tho i didnt use inputs.io (gladly)
03:15	pankkake	yeah, that's either a lie, or incompetence
03:15	pankkake	I did use it for short period of times… but always treated it as something I could lose
03:16	pankkake	the link to coinlenders was the most bothering
03:16	BingoBoingo	In the most flattering case TradeFortress was a victim of his own hubris keeping that kind of coin on a server
03:16	Venat	but what was the benefit of putting your money in input.io
03:16	Venat	and wasnt coinlenders something like btcjam?
03:16	BingoBoingo	RealSolid doesn't strike me as particularly competent pankkake
03:16	pankkake	mcxnow was working very well
03:17	mircea_popescu	there is a huge difference between being competent and working well.
03:17	mircea_popescu	let me demonstrate this : i am a well working random number generator now. here are some random numbers :
03:17	mircea_popescu	932611793105118548074462379962749567351885752724891227938183011949129833673362440656643086021394946395224737190702179860943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132000568127145263560
03:18	mircea_popescu	i am also very incompetent. here are the "random" numbers : http://www.piday.org/million/
03:18	BingoBoingo	I mean real Solid claims to have written McxNow in C++, but that might only be because his only programming experience is forking the Bitcoin client which is in C++
03:19	mircea_popescu	Venat it was btcjam with only one borrower (ther owner)
03:19	mircea_popescu	so it's the same thing, except rather than guaranteed monthly bleed you get guaranteed ragnarok.
03:20	Venat	one big default
03:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00210899 = 0.4787 BTC [+]
03:27	Venat	;;ticker
03:27	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 969.70504, Best ask: 977.79524, Bid-ask spread: 8.09020, Last trade: 969.70504, 24 hour volume: 30132.87529663, 24 hour low: 856.0, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 924.57275
03:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.03300009 = 0.429 BTC [+] {2}
03:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0904 = 0.3616 BTC [-]
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03:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2533 @ 0.00082913 = 2.1002 BTC [+] {2}
04:02	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/it-working-and-you-being-competent/
04:02	ozbot	It working and you being competent pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
04:03	mircea_popescu	(mentioning BingoBoingo and pankkake )
04:03	markedathome	mircea_popescu: shouldn't the bitbet litecoin above 20usd be closed?
04:03	mircea_popescu	did it make it ?
04:05	markedathome	around 9-10hrs ago, stands at around 20.85 now, hit 22.7999
04:05	mircea_popescu	a ok. so leave a comment there with a link
04:05	mircea_popescu	i'm sure mods will close it as soon as they get to it.
04:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37111 = 0.7422 BTC [-]
04:07	BingoBoingo	Nicely put mircea_popescu, I wonder how many times the US (and apparently nao French) educational system's products are going to have you essentially repeat it again until the Republic of Bitcoin replaces them
04:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37111 BTC [-]
04:07	pankkake	I left a comment but it doesn't appear
04:07	mircea_popescu	i r hoping to just link
04:08	mircea_popescu	pankkake hmm i don't see it, but i just futzed with the comment thing
04:08	mircea_popescu	mind leaving it again ?
04:08	pankkake	that's why I asked :) something weird happened
04:08	pankkake	"Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you've already said that!"
04:09	pankkake	"Sorry, we only accept comments sent by actual human beings." when I alter it
04:10	mircea_popescu	wow.
04:10	mircea_popescu	1 sec
04:10	Venat	I never get mentioned
04:11	pankkake	Venat: it's actually quite easy, just stay stupid stuff all day
04:11	pankkake	at least that's my method
04:11	Venat	like this guy:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347637.0
04:11	pankkake	though the SSW article doesn't mention me
04:11	Venat	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347637.0
04:11	ozbot	Can anyone donate me 50 - 60 Bitcoins?
04:11	Venat	sorry for double post
04:11	mircea_popescu	pankkake try again please ?
04:11	Venat	sorry for double post
04:12	mircea_popescu	alter it slightly, and wait like 5 seconds on the page before clicking submit
04:12	pankkake	still not working
04:12	pankkake	oh
04:12	mircea_popescu	(if you post too soon the script figures hi there spambot)
04:12	pankkake	when I used Spam Karma it had that feature. but spambots learned. at least the good ones
04:13	pankkake	it werked!
04:13	mircea_popescu	i actually have a housebrew
04:13	Venat	I will try to contrain myself then.
04:13	pankkake	well I got no error
04:13	pankkake	but comment doesn't show
04:13	mircea_popescu	it does nao
04:13	mircea_popescu	this still needs soem working.
04:14	pankkake	Venat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=308405.0 and then there's this guy
04:14	Venat	Yakuza699. I lolled
04:14	mircea_popescu	pankkake pls to make a test comment ?
04:15	pankkake	made it
04:15	pankkake	still doesn't show
04:16	pankkake	usually when it's waiting for moderation, wp shows it to you anyway
04:18	mircea_popescu	you get sent to spam
04:18	mircea_popescu	person that broke it is nao trying to see wtf.
04:18	pankkake	by the way this works great as a first defense http://web-profile.com.ua/wordpress/plugins/anti-spam/
04:21	mircea_popescu	pankkake mind trying yet again ?
04:22	pankkake	still not werking
04:22	mircea_popescu	holy shit
04:23	pankkake	perhaps when you get to spam once you always get into it
04:27	mircea_popescu	well yeah because a test email went in fine.
04:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
04:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00210899 = 0.2109 BTC [+]
04:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3400 @ 0.00008879 = 0.3019 BTC [+]
04:29	pankkake	subscribers should probably not even be in the spam filter
04:30	pankkake	yeah, tried same IP, but another mail, and it shows me the comment
04:32	mircea_popescu	yeah.
04:32	mircea_popescu	butts ?
04:32	pankkake	yes
04:42	Venat	;;seen ukyo
04:42	gribble	ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio: pm
04:46	Venat	http://pastebin.com/VnYL63dr in a related note
04:46	ozbot	The Unofficial Q&A - Pastebin.com
05:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
05:03	pankkake	I fail to see any actual info
05:06	ThickAsThieves	I think the info squeezed out so far is because Ukyo reall thought the "real" announcement would be ready yesterday, but there are details that need more time to sort. I prefer whole, complete announcements, but I'm guessing Ukyo couldn't go longer without *something* being shared.
05:08	ThickAsThieves	Don't bother asking me any substantive questions about it that aren't already answered. Like I said, I want the whole thing to be clearly announced, to shareholders first, when ready.
05:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [+]
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05:36	mircea_popescu	pankkake should be fixed. pls to check.
05:36	pankkake	yes!
05:37	mircea_popescu	so the way it works : any user can link to trilema articles without impediment.
05:37	mircea_popescu	outside links put whitelisted users into approve queue, and unwhitelisted users into spam queue.
05:38	mircea_popescu	otherwise whitelisted users go to published directly ; unwhitelisted users go into approve queue.
05:38	mircea_popescu	whitelisted = having had a comment approved.
05:40	mircea_popescu	in other news,
05:40	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3734211#msg3734211
05:40	ozbot	BitBet Scammed me for 10 BTC (properly formatted)
05:50	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/623/litecoin-ltc-to-rise-above-20usd-each-before/ now closed markedathome
05:50	ozbot	BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th
05:50	mircea_popescu	incredible bet of 18 hours jeez.
05:51	markedathome	thanks - do you know
05:53	mircea_popescu	the comments there are pretty lol.
05:54	pankkake	and people who send after the fact, yet again!
05:54	markedathome	I am slightly confused, does the bet start from the issue of the address or when a bet is confirmed on the blockchain
05:54	pankkake	first confirm
05:55	mircea_popescu	pankkake yup.
05:56	markedathome	I was one of the refunded bets, I hadn't noticed it had gone over because I was banging my head having to export and reimport keys and get updated balances. At least I haven't lost it
05:56	mircea_popescu	next time send without fee.
05:57	markedathome	it was to do with not having used electrum for a long time, the wallet was out of sync.
05:57	pankkake	I thought Electrum didn't need to sync?
05:57	markedathome	and because of the pruning it was a complete pain
05:59	markedathome	it doesn't but I kept syncing with a <10,000 servers which is only 70 days of tx
06:00	markedathome	not to mention the wallet is a glorified single stream. FFS who uses json as a database storage mechanism on disk when wallets get above 10-20MB
06:01	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/27/5150734/nsa-spied-on-online-sexual-activity-of-6-muslim-radicalizers
06:01	ozbot	NSA spied on porn habits of Muslim 'radicalizers' in effort to discredit them | The Verge
06:01	ThickAsThieves	' "DROPPING THE TRUTH" ON SUSPECTS IS MORE HUMANE THAN DROPPING A BOMB '
06:02	ThickAsThieves	sorry caps is from quote
06:02	markedathome	about as good as david cameron's "well you will have an embarassing conversation with your wife"
06:04	ThickAsThieves	a threat worth treason
06:04	pankkake	no details about what the porn was? :(
06:04	pankkake	btw: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/7342808/me-and-maos-girl/
06:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16434 @ 0.00008846 = 1.4538 BTC [+] {2}
06:06	mircea_popescu	soo, anyone here doing a lot of ltc stuff ?
06:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00203499 = 0.2035 BTC [-]
06:07	ThickAsThieves	talk to Kate
06:07	ThickAsThieves	:)
06:08	markedathome	mircea_popescu: I have my raspberry pi mining and earning 0.00027ltc a day, it was 0.0002ltc, but I recompiled to a poolers 2.3x source
06:08	mircea_popescu	the "here" came before the "ltc" in the sentence because i order by importance.
06:08	mircea_popescu	markedathome ideally someone with 5-6 digits of the stuff.
06:09	markedathome	isn't chaang-noi something to do with litecoin?
06:09	pankkake	well there's goat
06:09	ThickAsThieves	hehe
06:09	ThickAsThieves	i guess that is a funnier suggestion
06:09	ThickAsThieves	you win
06:12	truffles	goat isnt a good businessman?
06:12	truffles	;)
06:13	kakobrekla	why the ltc mircea_popescu
06:17	ThickAsThieves	well goat and mp dont exactly get along if i recall
06:18	mircea_popescu	not a matter of "not getting along"
06:18	mircea_popescu	i don't empower scammers.
06:18	mircea_popescu	even if they are mentally ill and thus funny.
06:18	truffles	lmao
06:20	ThickAsThieves	life is a scam
06:21	ThickAsThieves	lived by pots and kettles
06:21	truffles	hehe
06:21	mircea_popescu	not so.
06:22	mircea_popescu	for instance, there are the people who are clean.
06:22	mircea_popescu	for another instance, there are the people who aren't clean, and would like to represent everything as "shades of grey"
06:22	mircea_popescu	because they feel that their mistakes which rendered them gray are unfair and "nobody could have foreseen"
06:22	mircea_popescu	while this interest is understandable, it also is exactly how they ceased being white.
06:23	mircea_popescu	and in some approximations, became black.
06:23	truffles	only perfect humans go mistakeless
06:23	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> for instance, there are the people who are clean. --- so we're not all sinners in the eyes of the lord?
06:24	kakobrekla	but the lord only sees what you type in irc!
06:24	ThickAsThieves	and what porn you like
06:25	truffles	nsa?
06:25	kakobrekla	is why i dont have webcams
06:27	ThickAsThieves	maybe a good slogan for S.NSA?
06:27	ThickAsThieves	"We like to watch."
06:28	truffles	im expert watching
06:28	kakobrekla	maybe, i also like "fuck off nsa. ~ nsa"
06:28	truffles	-ing, er
06:28	markedathome	so having been away from sometime what happened in the saga of pirate pass throughs with patrick/kluge etc?
06:28	kakobrekla	markedathome pirate paid yesterday
06:28	markedathome	what?
06:29	truffles	wouldnt it be cool if there was a like a concent pool of people who are ok with being watched?
06:29	truffles	for free? prob not
06:29	kakobrekla	there is such pool already
06:29	markedathome	everyone with lg smart tvs?
06:29	kakobrekla	its called planet Earth
06:29	ThickAsThieves	chat roulette?
06:30	truffles	heard of this
06:30	kakobrekla	and welcome back markedathome, i remember you from somewhere
06:30	truffles	there was too much spam i bailed
06:30	kakobrekla	some irc room prolly
06:31	markedathome	yeah, was around early this year jan-apr
06:31	kakobrekla	hm
06:31	markedathome	in this very bat-channel
06:31	ThickAsThieves	in this world of pots and kettles, most are indeed filled with spam
06:31	truffles	haha
06:31	kakobrekla	where you the guy who smickles or someone else asked to do something and then parted upon agreement just to never be seen again
06:32	markedathome	it was the guy with the spotifycoin site
06:32	truffles	i should try spame someday, it surely cant be that bad
06:32	markedathome	I had thought I'd told him I was having bitcoin-qt problems at the time, but can't find it in the logs.
06:34	mircea_popescu	markedathome nothing happened eh
06:34	markedathome	I also offered to return the btc when I got back on in september. it was mcorlett
06:35	markedathome	I can find logs of me having problems with bitcoin-qt in other channels, just not those directly related to telling him of the problem.
06:35	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla iirc he's one of the guys working on that early ripple thing, with fellowtravellert and dace
06:37	markedathome	and I am having complete brainfade - it was last year (mar-apr 2012)
06:37	mircea_popescu	Apr 21 23:00:13 <mcorlett> markedathome: What's with the nicknames?
06:37	mircea_popescu	Apr 21 23:01:23 <markedathome> for some reason i got blasted off, and i don't have a secondary nick (which i'll correct soon enough)
06:37	mircea_popescu	this is 2012, ftr.
06:42	truffles	so kako why dont u have webcam hmmm
06:44	kakobrekla	cause im not a camwhore like you!
06:45	truffles	it just didnt come with my pc :)
06:45	kakobrekla	who am i watching then!?
06:45	truffles	ghosts
06:45	kakobrekla	goats
06:46	markedathome	mircea_popescu: ripple thing? are you talking about me?
06:48	mircea_popescu	markedathome yes. what was it called now
06:49	markedathome	well fellowtraveller was open-transaction? the distributed exchange system. I didn't have anything to do with it
06:49	truffles	u r being suspected of something, why wont they say what!
06:49	mircea_popescu	Open-Transactions
06:50	mircea_popescu	o you didn't ?
06:50	markedathome	nope - the only other thing i can think of was jurov's site
06:50	markedathome	but that was only as a user, not a developer
06:54	mircea_popescu	aite, i can't find a reference. i guess you probably answered q's about it at some point or w/e and ended up associated in my mind.
06:54	markedathome	also did some ui suggestions/testing on glbse 2 when it was in beta before going live.
06:55	markedathome	possibly - at the time there was the big thing with different exchanges, glbse was still in that crap blue interface before it was RoR'd and bootstrapped.
06:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03305 = 0.1322 BTC [+]
07:08	truffles	;;ticker
07:08	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 961.34, Best ask: 962.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.66000, Last trade: 961.34, 24 hour volume: 29757.25793072, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 931.12442
07:08	Venat	For I have returned
07:08	truffles	ok
07:10	truffles	so what did u buy with the 35bucks
07:14	Venat	food :(
07:15	Venat	didn't withdraw yet
07:16	truffles	online then
07:19	Venat	Next casino is like 30 minutes away
07:19	Venat	besides, I was in there once with family, doing slotmachines
07:20	Venat	didn't catch fire :)
07:20	truffles	fun times
07:29	Venat	kakobrekla typo on your site http://bit4x.com/news.html April 4th Pro minimum and not mininum. you are welcome
07:29	mircea_popescu	mininum hahaha
07:29	kakobrekla	MINI NUMBER
07:30	kakobrekla	doh!
07:30	mircea_popescu	that's a very low ammount of pro.
07:30	kakobrekla	lmao
07:30	mircea_popescu	course mini mum would mean a british ex-pregnant short woman.
07:30	Venat	oh wait you are right
07:30	Venat	mininum is correct as its miniature number
07:31	Venat	i'm such a moron
07:31	mircea_popescu	miniron.
07:31	assbot	Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1484887/plain/)
07:31	mircea_popescu	!b 7
07:31	mircea_popescu	meh
07:31	assbot	Last 13 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1484888/plain/)
07:31	mircea_popescu	!b 13
07:31	kakobrekla	Venat fixd.
07:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "A large miner named ArtForz" actually artforz may be the largest miner.
07:37	Venat	kakobrekla, I am most grateful
07:38	kakobrekla	im most thankful you are most grateful!
07:39	kakobrekla	its too bad irc lines dont compile
07:39	kakobrekla	would catch lots of typos
07:39	pankkake	some clients have a spell checker
07:42	truffles	n some just can spell :D
07:44	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg3730493#msg3730493 made me irlol
07:44	ozbot	[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
07:44	mircea_popescu	lol that zombie still crawls around on the forum ?
07:45	mircea_popescu	The speed of the mining difficulty increases seem to slow down a little.
07:45	mircea_popescu	I take it that is good news for us (and all other mining companies out there).
07:45	mircea_popescu	totally.
07:45	kakobrekla	well getting raped less is good news if you are getting raped more
07:45	pankkake	;;bc,stats
07:46	gribble	Current Blocks: 271767 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 392 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693612388.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.80346
07:46	mircea_popescu	and thinking maybe you;ll get raped less is even better news
07:46	kakobrekla	keeping the spirit up is half of survival
07:55	Venat	;;ticker
07:55	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 963.0, Best ask: 967.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 967.0, 24 hour volume: 28688.05883397, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 933.8987
07:56	mircea_popescu	dun dun dun 4 digits here we come
07:59	markedathome	btc-e currently has a 650-1000 btc/eur spread
		~ 15 minutes ~
08:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00187001 = 0.6545 BTC [-] {3}
08:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00187001 = 0.561 BTC [-] {3}
08:16	mircea_popescu	!t havelock neobee
08:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00180252 / 0.00199489 / 0.00214999 (2585 shares, 5.15680254 BTC), 7D: 0.00170000 / 0.00202701 / 0.00246000 (59292 shares, 120.18530637 BTC), 30D: 0.00157500 / 0.0020936 / 0.00278770 (236297 shares, 494.71125106 BTC)
08:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00187001 = 0.3216 BTC [-] {2}
08:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 448 @ 0.00203498 = 0.9117 BTC [+] {3}
08:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00368898 = 0.1586 BTC [+]
08:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.0036499 = 0.208 BTC [-]
08:31	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu do you have any articles on "hoodrat shit" ?
08:32	mircea_popescu	whassat ?
08:32	thestringpuller	;;ud hoodrat shit
08:32	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hoodrat%20Shit | The act of engaging in undesirable or unlawful activities such as stealing, smoking marijuana, and drinking forties on the street.
08:32	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: Hoodrat Shit
08:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40045 = 0.8009 BTC [+] {2}
08:33	Venat	interesting..
08:42	thestringpuller	;;gettrust evoorhees
08:42	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=evoorhees | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=evoorhees | Rated since: Sat Aug 18 16:48:02 2012
08:46	thestringpuller	ooh ooh wee need a new bitbet!!!
08:47	thestringpuller	http://i.imgur.com/Sd1dxeM.jpg - a bet perhaps stating "BFL Delivers Christmas orders by Christmas 2013?"
08:48	kakobrekla	right, ship me one to somalia before chistmas
08:48	ThickAsThieves	;;genrate 5000
08:48	gribble	The expected generation output, at 5000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.00412568341173 BTC per day and 0.000171903475489 BTC per hour.
08:49	kakobrekla	anyway, gotta jet. bbl
08:49	truffles	ure in a real jet?
08:49	ThickAsThieves	so basically you get the miners just in time to still lose money buying from BFL
08:50	ThickAsThieves	god forbid they ship them the day or so you order them
08:51	ThickAsThieves	LTC almost $23
08:51	ThickAsThieves	maybe we need a $50 before 2014 bet
08:51	arij	ltc, crazy
08:55	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
08:55	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 981.40001, Best ask: 984.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.59999, Last trade: 981.4, 24 hour volume: 29119.81285417, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 984.0, 24 hour vwap: 937.34072
08:55	thestringpuller	hmm
08:55	thestringpuller	should I get in on this bitbet before it is too late?
08:55	thestringpuller	lol
08:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.20000001 BTC [-]
09:08	nubbins`	hm, captain sally is FREAKING out today
09:09	bitesak	;;asks 1000
09:09	gribble	There are currently 1698.6083 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 1691554.15863 USD in total. | Data vintage: 161.5444 seconds
09:11	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
09:11	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 986.01, Best ask: 989.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.98999, Last trade: 989.99, 24 hour volume: 29540.98124236, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 990.0, 24 hour vwap: 938.5936
09:11	ThickAsThieves	ltc is so funny, now it outperforms btc
09:11	ThickAsThieves	.0275 btc per ltc
09:12	mircea_popescu	sorry people, the future ltc over 50 bet is closed early
09:13	mircea_popescu	hand over the btc you thought you were going to send.
09:20	nubbins`	hm, heavycoin
09:21	jurov`	lol.. i logged to btc-e after few months and found an order to sell 500 ltc for 0.98 btc each
09:21	nubbins`	every block contains like 1MB of noise from /dev/random
09:21	nubbins`	now there's an idea
09:21	jurov`	that bet isn't going to close early
09:21	thestringpuller	:D
09:21	mircea_popescu	nubbins` what's that help ?
09:22	mircea_popescu	Racial tensions are inflamed at the University of California at Los Angeles following several incidents — most notably, one where a professor corrected the grammar, punctuation and capitalization in minority students’ assignments.
09:22	mircea_popescu	The act of correcting a black student was “micro-aggression,” according to the members of the student group “Call 2 Action: Graduate Students of Color,” which launched a sit-in
09:22	mircea_popescu	i didn't even know there's a university in burbank.
09:22	nubbins`	oh, it doesn't help anything
09:22	nubbins`	very cumbersome
09:23	nubbins`	hm, micro-aggression?
09:23	nubbins`	GRAD STUDENTS said this?
09:24	mircea_popescu	well, not really students. us people.
09:24	mircea_popescu	whatever they are.
09:24	ThickAsThieves	is micro-aggression what happens when passive-aggression sharts?
09:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37020006 BTC [-]
09:25	nubbins`	sharting sucks, shissing is worse
09:25	truffles	shats
09:25	mircea_popescu	i suppose micro aggression is what happens when some nigger is really pissed off and can't find a better pretext to lash out/
09:25	truffles	0.0
09:25	ThickAsThieves	i assume "nigger" applies to any color in this example
09:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37020005 = 0.7404 BTC [-] {2}
09:26	mircea_popescu	yeah.
09:26	truffles	;;ud nigger
09:26	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigger | 1. nigger. A fully grown niglet. Theres one of them niggers. mark as favorite buy nigger ... 2. nigger. A word that everyone else is afraid to define except in utter ...
09:26	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: nigger
09:26	ThickAsThieves	it's an interesting concept, I always felt that black people trying to take ownership of the word wasnt the right reaction
09:26	ThickAsThieves	a better one might be to apply the term to a broader meaning
09:26	mircea_popescu	yup.
09:27	ThickAsThieves	black do this somewhat
09:27	ThickAsThieves	blacks*
09:27	ThickAsThieves	but only within their own
09:27	mircea_popescu	a nigger is anyone that behaves like what the implication of the word suggests.
09:27	mircea_popescu	be they white or not, as long as they're illiterate, aggressive, noisy etc, that's that.
09:27	nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfie
09:27	ozbot	Newfie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
09:28	truffles	there are other words to describe those things
09:28	ThickAsThieves	the problem with trying to own "nigger" in the classic sense it creates a paradigm, in which all black people are still pretty much tied to it
09:28	mircea_popescu	i don't see it.
09:28	nubbins`	i'm still shaking my head at the fact that someone who thinks correcting spelling mistakes is racist was able to make it to grad school
09:28	ThickAsThieves	i may not be explainign properly
09:29	ThickAsThieves	what i mean is
09:29	ThickAsThieves	black people call each other nigger in an effort to take it back
09:29	truffles	was it only that group of ppl had their errors corrected?
09:29	ThickAsThieves	erase the slave meaning or diminish it
09:29	truffles	where is the article linkage
09:29	ThickAsThieves	but it cant work
09:29	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you have to let people in according to color rather than merit, so people like obama can go to college and be president
09:29	bloctoc	PLEASE STOP THIS DISCUSSION!!!
09:29	mircea_popescu	it's right there in the conditions of federal funding
09:30	deadweasel	mircea_popescu: that definition makes most of america niggers
09:30	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well, "take it back". it'll never be a word to denote cupcakes for instance
09:30	ThickAsThieves	right
09:30	ThickAsThieves	itll just be
09:30	mircea_popescu	deadweasel i guess that makes me a progressive ?
09:30	thestringpuller	;;ud nigga moment
09:30	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga%20moment | A moment where ignorance overwhelms the logic of an otherwise rational negro man.
09:30	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: nigga moment
09:30	ThickAsThieves	the slave word slaves adopted
09:30	deadweasel	i'll say, mircea_popescu
09:30	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i dunno that it has much to do with slavery really.
09:31	mircea_popescu	as far as i can tell slavery is a positive word today.
09:31	ThickAsThieves	to them it does
09:31	mircea_popescu	nigger is markedly not.
09:31	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: i know plenty of people who refer to themselves as "queer" with no hint of irony
09:31	ThickAsThieves	its kinda mashed into one thing by now
09:31	mircea_popescu	imo that's all a confusion. they weren;t called niggers because they were slaves, they were called niggers because they were perceived stunted
09:31	ThickAsThieves	slavery/racism/oppression
09:31	mircea_popescu	may be.
09:32	ThickAsThieves	owning the term also keeps it alive
09:32	mircea_popescu	what i see in it (from the outside mind you) is an exact equivalent of the "lame"
09:32	mircea_popescu	lame does not mean gravity is opressing the person
09:32	mircea_popescu	it means the person sucks intrinsically.
09:32	ThickAsThieves	well i see it as
09:32	deadweasel	yes, i call those shit-heels.
09:33	ThickAsThieves	nigger was a word to equate their value with that of livestock
09:33	ThickAsThieves	subhuman or such
09:33	mircea_popescu	yeah.
09:33	mircea_popescu	just like "stupid" in function
09:33	deadweasel	;;ticker
09:33	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 993.00001, Best ask: 994.999, Bid-ask spread: 1.99899, Last trade: 994.999, 24 hour volume: 29031.43156332, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 995.0, 24 hour vwap: 941.26169
09:33	ThickAsThieves	so close!
09:33	mircea_popescu	dun dun dun
09:34	mircea_popescu	we shall have more figures for our bitcoiny needs
09:34	truffles	TAT are u trying to educate mp os?
09:34	ThickAsThieves	these milestones leave no time for parties!
09:34	ThickAsThieves	educate, nah?
09:34	ThickAsThieves	we are sharing
09:34	truffles	it is a weird discussion
09:34	ThickAsThieves	maybe you have some things to work out
09:35	truffles	me?
09:35	nubbins`	not maybe
09:35	ThickAsThieves	well youre the one thats uncomfortable, no?
09:35	truffles	uncomfortable no
09:35	deadweasel	no, that's bloctoc
09:35	ThickAsThieves	hehe
09:36	ThickAsThieves	it's off-topic, i'll give you that
09:36	truffles	im trying to understand both points of views
09:36	ThickAsThieves	but it's not like we interrupted anyone
09:36	ThickAsThieves	i dont think either POV conflicts
09:36	mircea_popescu	nubbins` iirc queer means "funny", as in, different. at least at the root.
09:36	deadweasel	it's true meaning.
09:36	deadweasel	its*
09:37	ThickAsThieves	an interesting phenomenon,
09:37	truffles	u have a logical stance on the word, implying that the hate will go away?
09:37	deadweasel	these words have meanings only in your minds, and they will all differ slightly.
09:37	ThickAsThieves	there is a pressure for black rappers to use the word nigger in their lyrics
09:37	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: well, if we're talking roots, examine the latin "niger"
09:37	ThickAsThieves	one they put on themselves
09:37	truffles	i think mp uses it implying that its just as bad as any word like "stupid"?
09:37	deadweasel	ThickAsThieves: pressure?
09:38	mircea_popescu	nubbins` maybe too distant a root. and it's not latin per se anyway, iirc it came from spanish/creole.
09:38	ThickAsThieves	when black rappers dont say it, they are not taken as seriously
09:38	deadweasel	they were already enslaved and now they are pressuring ecah other?
09:38	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: spanish negro from latin niger
09:38	ThickAsThieves	deadweasel, all the time
09:38	deadweasel	best black artists don't use the word nigger in their rap
09:38	ThickAsThieves	best?>
09:38	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves here's the thing : rappers sell puff. in matters of puff, god forbid your puff is perceivced as less "quality" than the other's puff.
09:38	deadweasel	quality, not mainstream.
09:38	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: what's the color black called in romanian?
09:38	mircea_popescu	and so they have to fake quality. gotta use the TOP words then,
09:38	ThickAsThieves	thats subjective
09:38	mircea_popescu	or else someone else does and they're above you.
09:38	mircea_popescu	nubbins` negru
09:38	ThickAsThieves	well its deeper than that imo
09:39	ThickAsThieves	i agree thats a piece of it
09:39	mircea_popescu	o look it's a Bugpowder
09:39	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what more ?
09:39	nubbins`	most romance languages have similar
09:39	ThickAsThieves	but it's also rooted in that white people wanna hear it
09:39	Bugpowder	Always show up for a milestonel..
09:39	mircea_popescu	hm.
09:39	ThickAsThieves	its part of the fantasy appeal
09:39	deadweasel	we do?
09:39	ThickAsThieves	listening to black gangsters
09:39	mircea_popescu	i dunno that i ever wanted to hear a word in preference of another
09:39	mircea_popescu	maybe it's just me
09:40	mircea_popescu	i don't recall anyone discovering that saying "cunt" sells porn better than any other word, so it never became a big thing.
09:40	deadweasel	i don't think so, mp.
09:40	mircea_popescu	if anything, this is the basis i'd argue against your theory ThickAsThieves
09:40	deadweasel	re: maybe its just me
09:40	nubbins`	i think "pussy" sells porn better
09:40	mircea_popescu	if such preference existed we'd see it in porn.
09:40	nubbins`	cunt is too plosive
09:40	deadweasel	Cunt Rockets 4: The TakeOff
09:40	truffles	terrible word
09:40	deadweasel	Cunt Rockets 5: The Landing
09:40	ThickAsThieves	this is popular thing, not one every individual will feel
09:41	nubbins`	right? versus Pussy Rockets
09:41	nubbins`	obv winner
09:41	deadweasel	Pussy rockets ftw
09:41	mircea_popescu	cunt riot sounds better than pussy riot tho.
09:41	ThickAsThieves	popular rap is popular with white people
09:41	ThickAsThieves	not black
09:41	deadweasel	more punk fo sho
09:41	nubbins`	pussy riot sounds funnier.
09:41	nubbins`	cunt riot, more "shocking"
09:41	deadweasel	ThickAsThieves: is possible.
09:41	nubbins`	altho neither will save you from the gulag
09:41	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well seeing how the demographics are like, anything popular will be popular with white people. blacks are what, 12% if that.
09:42	mircea_popescu	even jazz existed once whities started having ella over.
09:42	truffles	<ThickAsThieves> popular rap is popular with white people>>> orly, so what r the blacks listening to?
09:42	nubbins`	lelelelel
09:43	truffles	not what i meant..
09:43	nubbins`	uh huh
09:43	ThickAsThieves	well blacks that listen to rap listen to all kinds
09:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 462 @ 0.00350654 = 1.62 BTC [-] {7}
09:43	ThickAsThieves	but it def is influenced by local culture
09:43	ThickAsThieves	there is geographic loyalty
09:43	deadweasel	do we have problem we are trying to solve with these over generalizations?
09:43	ThickAsThieves	its just a conversation
09:43	truffles	that n word isnt bad
09:43	mircea_popescu	deadweasel yes. we're trying to see if we manage to erupt in full assets riot or not.
09:43	ThickAsThieves	not sure theres a point anymore
09:43	nubbins`	Assets Riot
09:43	deadweasel	just curious what the purpose is, or If I should go make coffee and bacon.
09:43	nubbins`	now there's a band
09:43	deadweasel	coffee and bacon it is.
09:44	mircea_popescu	i wonder if he steams the bacon
09:44	truffles	drink tea, its good for u
09:44	ThickAsThieves	Amazing Company Records
09:44	nubbins`	coffee puts hairs on your chest
09:44	deadweasel	i do at work, not on weekend, i get jacked on dark roast
09:44	nubbins`	tat, lel
09:44	nubbins`	AMAZING COMPANY! Records
09:44	truffles	they took it away nooo
09:44	mircea_popescu	should totally sign Assets Riot
09:44	mircea_popescu	then we could have a bacon signing.
09:44	nubbins`	deadweasel: you wanna get jacked, switch to light roast
09:45	nubbins`	there was a "performance artist" did a thing here some years ago
09:45	mircea_popescu	(i said stir. bonus points to me)
09:45	ThickAsThieves	i hear they can be addictive
09:45	nubbins`	gave himself an enema of a full bottle of red wine
09:45	nubbins`	attempted to shiss it into a bucket
09:45	nubbins`	couldn't get any of it out
09:45	mircea_popescu	meh you should use white.
09:46	truffles	lotta anus love itc
09:46	nubbins`	30 minutes later, falling around the bar, unable to stand up
09:46	ThickAsThieves	lol
09:46	mircea_popescu	reds usually have a lot of tanic acid. which is how you tan hides. who wants a tanned gut.
09:46	nubbins`	that guy, i guess
09:46	nubbins`	peaberry coffees have lots of tannins too
09:46	nubbins`	really dries out your mouth
09:47	mircea_popescu	that can actually cause bleeding.
09:47	nubbins`	nod
09:47	truffles	anal bleeding?
09:47	nubbins`	oh, i learned that the reason pineapple makes my mouth bleed is because the core is full of meat tenderizer
09:47	truffles	im lost
09:47	nubbins`	and it pulverizes my flesh D:
09:48	truffles	didnt i tell u not to have it touch the edges
09:48	nubbins`	nono, not the edges
09:48	nubbins`	the core
09:48	Bugpowder	enzymatic
09:48	ThickAsThieves	so MPOE-PR is officially anti-Neo now?
09:48	truffles	well ur mouth is too weak
09:48	Bugpowder	also papaya. (papain)
09:48	truffles	maybe u should stop the coffee thats thinning u out?
09:48	nubbins`	have never tried papays
09:48	deadweasel	omg I hope this is not about papaya enemas
09:48	nubbins`	truffles: real men drink coffee
09:49	nubbins`	tea is for the weak and the infirm
09:49	jurov`	what an assriot
09:49	truffles	guess thats why i can rip through pineapples like a boss
09:49	deadweasel	so I'm only weak and infirm on weekedays?
09:49	nubbins`	truffles: you probably buy pineapple chunks or something
09:49	deadweasel	truffles it's because you're so full of meat
09:49	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
09:49	nubbins`	i quarter the things and rip the core out with my teeth
09:49	truffles	haha
09:49	ThickAsThieves	!!!
09:49	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 995.0, Best ask: 996.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 996.99999, 24 hour volume: 29230.90252009, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 998.33, 24 hour vwap: 943.68055
09:49	deadweasel	fuckin' a
09:49	ThickAsThieves	$1000
09:50	nubbins`	oh my
09:50	nubbins`	OK
09:50	Bugpowder	http://i.imgur.com/DYfpqvh.gif
09:50	nubbins`	so all this bitcoin all time high talk
09:50	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
09:50	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 995.0, Best ask: 996.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 996.99999, 24 hour volume: 30286.01335841, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 1000.0, 24 hour vwap: 945.63343
09:50	nubbins`	combined with richard branson's latest thing
09:50	ThickAsThieves	there it is
09:50	mircea_popescu	omfg the speed
09:50	Bugpowder	wake up bitcoinity
09:50	deadweasel	right bug?!?1
09:50	nubbins`	made me have a dream about space last night
09:50	deadweasel	love that gif
09:50	nubbins`	me and pascale went up in a rocket
09:50	jurov`	;;doxlag
09:50	gribble	Error: "doxlag" is not a valid command.
09:50	ThickAsThieves	lol rally now
09:50	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well, they fucked up. need a little signalling to comprehend they fucked up.
09:50	jurov`	;;goxlag
09:50	ThickAsThieves	1012
09:50	gribble	MtGox lag is 92.228569 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.184825019633 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
09:50	nubbins`	and -- no joke -- did a freefall back to earth
09:50	nubbins`	parachuting into my backyard at the end of it
09:51	nubbins`	not sure how we survived reentry, but it was pretty scary
09:51	jurov`	999
09:51	ThickAsThieves	whoa
09:51	ThickAsThieves	gox lagging on BUYS thats unusual
09:51	mircea_popescu	and we got 1k
09:51	ThickAsThieves	1020
09:52	ThickAsThieves	hehe
09:52	mircea_popescu	we ty.
09:52	jackmaninov	think it's just bitcoinity lagging
09:52	jurov`	yeeeees
09:52	jackmaninov	bitcoinwisdom is doing fine
09:52	nubbins`	don't thank me yet, wait til i create a forum thread where i fuss about my spelling being corrected
09:52	jurov`	no gif ?!
09:52	nubbins`	i mean about my money being stolen
09:52	thestringpuller	;;ticker
09:52	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1020.00001, Best ask: 1020.58739, Bid-ask spread: 0.58738, Last trade: 1020.58739, 24 hour volume: 31032.61127457, 24 hour low: 865.2222, 24 hour high: 1026.15138, 24 hour vwap: 948.33012
09:52	thestringpuller	NOOOO
09:52	thestringpuller	bet closed
09:53	thestringpuller	RESOLVE THAT SHIT kakobrekla
09:53	nubbins`	AH HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
09:53	nubbins`	FUCK THIS.
09:53	nubbins`	dumping coffee down sink
09:53	nubbins`	i'm cracking a beer
09:53	thestringpuller	^- seconded
09:53	mircea_popescu	dump coffee down beer, crack the sink
09:53	thestringpuller	time to light up some bowls
09:53	thestringpuller	drink some beer
09:53	thestringpuller	i'm done
09:53	nubbins`	hm, should have had a jazz cigarette ready to go
09:54	thestringpuller	http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Seinfeld-Leaving.gif
09:54	nubbins`	didn't think it'd happen so soon
09:54	mircea_popescu	nubbins` well it did have a few days to breathe.
09:54	jackmaninov	TO THE MOON http://i.imgur.com/5Zo5uzt.gif
09:54	nubbins`	nod, the fault is mine
09:55	thestringpuller	man would have been an easy 0.1
09:55	nubbins`	having a hard time getting upset about it tho ;D
09:55	mircea_popescu	as they say, more people want to buy 4 digit btc than they wanted to buy 3 digit btc.
09:55	thestringpuller	this is MPOE statement week no mircea_popescu ?
09:55	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yeah, this fri
09:55	thestringpuller	that's because now the millionaires want to buy btc
09:55	mircea_popescu	better social proof, however you wish to slice it.
09:56	nubbins`	i guess this bodes well for my hoard of casascius coins
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0035 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}
09:56	thestringpuller	lol
09:56	thestringpuller	my biggest fear is the day I go to crack open my casascius coin the private key is unreadable
09:56	thestringpuller	OR
09:56	thestringpuller	it has a typo
09:57	mircea_popescu	you know, i clearly recall mpoe-pr offering free bitcoins on some stripper forum some time back
09:57	nubbins`	hahaha
09:57	mircea_popescu	none of the hos took it.
09:57	mircea_popescu	it was epic.
09:57	deadweasel	they really do want 4 digit coins... holy shit
09:57	mircea_popescu	deadweasel it was like 50 at the time
09:57	mircea_popescu	o o. yeah, buys prolly gonna be raining in for a bit.
09:58	deadweasel	as china relaxes capital controls, you think many chinese will cash out for other ventures?
09:59	mircea_popescu	what other ventures ?
09:59	nubbins`	exporting cheap plastic items
09:59	deadweasel	^
09:59	mircea_popescu	i don't see it. who knows ?
09:59	jurov`	or buying litecoins
09:59	mircea_popescu	lol
10:00	deadweasel	http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/business/global/china-quietly-relaxes-controls-on-foreign-capital.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
10:00	nubbins`	i'm telling you, heavycoins
10:00	mircea_popescu	deadweasel in fairness they've been doing it for a while.
10:00	nubbins`	all the ballers will want them
10:01	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.new#new << meanwhile at butthurt farm, mpoe-pr creating the butthurt so btc can go up up up
10:01	ozbot	This is the story of your loss.
10:01	deadweasel	public service, ty
10:02	nubbins`	leel
10:02	nubbins`	to be fair, average investors get average returns
10:02	nubbins`	plenty of people made fortunes on each of those exchanges
10:03	mircea_popescu	do the math, srsly.
10:03	jcpham	since we're feeling so successful this morning mircea_popescu
10:03	nubbins`	plenty of idiots got fleeced too, so y'know
10:03	jcpham	rota is up in 2 days
10:03	mircea_popescu	dun dun dun :D
10:03	mircea_popescu	is it exciting jcpham ?
10:03	jcpham	HEY GUYS IF YOU WANT TO SERVE AS ROTA FOR THE NEXT YEAR GO SIGN UP IN mircea_popescu's BLOG
10:04	mircea_popescu	I.6. All Judges sit for terms of one year. <<
10:04	mircea_popescu	why tomorrow ?!
10:04	jcpham	tomorrow the 29th is when i gpg signed a key
10:04	jcpham	after that there's like 2 weeks or something
10:04	jcpham	don't make me look up my notes
10:04	mircea_popescu	well that's fine, but you were accepted dec 15th.
10:04	nubbins`	hey, i'm good at judging things
10:04	truffles	what r u judging?
10:04	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ < tis thar.
10:04	ozbot	The MPEx Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:04	jcpham	thank you for the clarification dates
10:05	jcpham	i wasn't sure which one we were going by
10:05	mircea_popescu	nubbins` sadly your shot at judging things WAS RUINED by the earlier rota judges
10:05	nubbins`	oh?
10:05	jcpham	nubbins`
10:05	mircea_popescu	jcpham yeah, 1 year from your 15th of the quarter whenever it was
10:05	mircea_popescu	which was dec.
10:05	jcpham	don't listen to him
10:05	truffles	what are you judging!!
10:05	jcpham	go sign up to be next year's judge
10:05	jcpham	,pex disputes
10:05	jcpham	*mpex
10:05	jcpham	mircea_popescu hates the idea
10:06	truffles	there were that many that judges were needed?
10:06	mircea_popescu	jcpham eh read teh thing dood, i have to sign off on the rolls anyway
10:06	jcpham	but has yet to disband it through some type of wording or contractual nullification
10:06	mircea_popescu	i just let it lay dormant
10:06	jurov`	it will be furloughed
10:06	nubbins`	well jeez guys
10:06	nubbins`	way to send me conflicting messages
10:06	jcpham	i'm not the one sending conflicting messages here
10:06	mircea_popescu	nubbins` http://trilema.com/category/rota/ < read those 4 articles or w/e
10:07	nubbins`	i don't know that my WoT rating is older than 6 months anyway
10:07	mircea_popescu	it documents a failed experiment in citizen justicing.
10:07	jcpham	>:)
10:07	deadweasel	;;ticker
10:07	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1007.0, Best ask: 1022.6152, Bid-ask spread: 15.61520, Last trade: 1007.0, 24 hour volume: 31555.16443743, 24 hour low: 868.9, 24 hour high: 1030.0, 24 hour vwap: 950.52497
10:07	mircea_popescu	one which cost me more than what your average new "exchange" is worth lock stock and barrel,
10:07	mircea_popescu	but whatever, for i r billionare mp.
10:07	truffles	if one does the just thing, one does not need others to decide on one's behalf
10:07	jcpham	omg i'm going to cry
10:08	jcpham	saddest story ever
10:08	jcpham	i'm not sure how it failed so miserably so fast but i don't think this is true
10:08	mircea_popescu	jcpham just the fact that i'll have this to lord over the noobs in the coming decades makes it worthwhile.
10:08	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: hm, shame, sounded like fun
10:08	mircea_popescu	ikr?
10:08	mircea_popescu	shit that sounds fun sometimes turns out to not be.
10:09	nubbins`	been there more than once D:
10:09	jcpham	nubbins` i'd still be persistent if i were you in asking where to sign up
10:09	jcpham	actually maybe we can bring a case against mpex
10:09	nubbins`	would you, though?
10:10	nubbins`	i mean, there's an article right there with "post mortem" in the title
10:10	jcpham	i'm not sure mircea_popescu has the authority he caims to have
10:10	jcpham	based on the initial "birth" of the idea
10:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3330 @ 0.00008 = 0.2664 BTC [-]
10:10	nubbins`	do elaborate
10:10	mircea_popescu	yeah
10:11	mircea_popescu	doesn't look like it's ever going under 1k again.
10:11	mircea_popescu	anyone wanna bet on this ?
10:11	jcpham	II.2. The Rota supersedes the jurisdiction of any other court, institution, group, organisation, corporation, reigning monarch, city fool etc.
10:11	deadweasel	I think it would make a very profitable bet.
10:11	jcpham	it's a bold claim
10:12	ThickAsThieves	you are betting we never see 3 digits again?
10:12	jcpham	it might fall under 1000
10:12	ThickAsThieves	i give it 4 hours
10:12	thestringpuller	;;ticker
10:12	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1016.0, Best ask: 1021.1542, Bid-ask spread: 5.15420, Last trade: 1021.1542, 24 hour volume: 31568.47965533, 24 hour low: 870.00001, 24 hour high: 1030.0, 24 hour vwap: 950.71338
10:12	assbot	123!
10:13	thestringpuller	lets make that bet then
10:13	deadweasel	from 30 to 1030 in ayear
10:13	deadweasel	?
10:13	jcpham	lolololol: http://www.businessinsider.com/silk-road-satoshi-paper-retraction-2013-11?op=1
10:13	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: after an admittedly cursory skim, it looks like you just picked bad judges
10:14	jurov`	good judges like me decided to wait and see
10:14	deadweasel	turned to be an old OTC guy, no?
10:14	jcpham	nubbins` i concede this also may be true
10:14	jcpham	people usually are the weak link in an idea
10:15	nubbins`	eh, ideas are easy, implementing them is the hard part
10:15	nubbins`	hence why ideas are generally worth $0
10:15	Bugpowder	STACK THE COURT.
10:15	Bugpowder	FDR would be proud
10:16	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i pickled what was available at the time/
10:16	mircea_popescu	granted, my mistake, should have waited more.
10:16	jcpham	that's ok i'm an easy target
10:16	Bugpowder	OH sweet! Retracted! I'm going to get retraction watch to do a story on it.
10:17	mircea_popescu	lol.
10:17	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: some sort of sub-100 btc baby rota where judges don't get paid, or only get paid a pittance, for example
10:17	ThickAsThieves	MPOE-PR has at least one definite error in her new post
10:17	ThickAsThieves	XBOND was profitable
10:17	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so correct her.
10:17	nubbins`	you can't just throw civilians into a set of judge's robes and expect them to act accordingly :P
10:17	mircea_popescu	nubbins` isn't this the concept of "citizen x" ?
10:18	nubbins`	maybe, not familiar
10:18	lewicki	MPOE he seems agitated and threatened that NEOBEE is getting into the game somehow
10:18	lewicki	stomping on the ground to kick up sand
10:18	mircea_popescu	lewicki you have any idea how often this was said historically ?
10:19	lewicki	no, I don;t
10:19	mircea_popescu	well that'd be a problem, information asymmetry and all that.
10:20	lewicki	I don't follow.
10:21	deadweasel	voorhees on litecoin, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rjv6l/my_response_to_a_litecoin_advocate/ preaching to the choir in this chan though.
10:21	topace	hey mircea_popescu, i requested a withdrawal from mpex yesterday, any chance you could push that through for me ?
10:21	mircea_popescu	yup
10:22	topace	thanks :)
10:23	thestringpuller	is it
10:23	thestringpuller	like still going up
10:23	thestringpuller	like a boner and viagra?
10:23	thestringpuller	;;ticker
10:23	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1041.0, Best ask: 1044.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 1044.0, 24 hour volume: 31737.89401815, 24 hour low: 870.56259, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 951.8752
10:23	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
10:23	gribble	Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
10:23	thestringpuller	fucking bitcoincharts
10:23	taub	choo choo
10:24	taub	yes, still going up right now mtgox alltime highs
10:24	taub	1040
10:25	Bugpowder	use this
10:25	Bugpowder	http://trading.i286.org
10:25	Bugpowder	or this
10:25	Bugpowder	http://bitcoinwisdom.com
10:25	Bugpowder	1044
10:26	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/EHTN7jc
10:26	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
10:26	nubbins`	^ for great celebrate
10:26	mircea_popescu	deposits flushed.
10:26	topace	mircea_popescu: ty, got it
10:26	nubbins`	at least i had the foresight to pick one of these up
10:28	taub	nice sites Bugpowder
10:28	taub	if we hit 2k i'm going to wrestlemania 30
10:28	taub	fingers crossed
10:29	nubbins`	heh
10:29	nubbins`	P asks "have you coated those screens yet?"
10:30	nubbins`	"not yet, having a beer first"
10:30	nubbins`	P: "ah, you're too busy grabbing life by the balls and giving them a squeeze?"
10:30	mod6	;;ticker
10:30	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1036.0, Best ask: 1040.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 1036.0, 24 hour volume: 31792.64996268, 24 hour low: 870.56259, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 952.49385
10:30	deadweasel	nubbins`: you got a helluva a woman there.
10:30	Bugpowder	well being over 1000 was fun while it lasted.
10:30	mircea_popescu	yeah. how dares she.
10:30	nubbins`	srsly, my life, right?
10:30	deadweasel	smile :)
10:31	deadweasel	i may have met my future woman last night. gonna go paint a farmhouse with her on friday.
10:31	nubbins`	at the rate things are going, i'm not gonna have a mortgage soon
10:32	mircea_popescu	paint a farmhouse ?
10:32	mircea_popescu	this is easily the most perverted chan on irc.
10:32	nubbins`	painting it red, natch
10:32	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214589.msg3737138#msg3737138
10:32	ozbot	[WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
10:32	nubbins`	45 btc for a 10 btc casascius
10:32	deadweasel	^.^
10:32	nubbins`	:0
10:33	jcpham	wut
10:33	nubbins`	i know
10:33	deadweasel	asking or transacted already?
10:33	nubbins`	asking
10:33	nubbins`	and i thought 25 was taking the piss
10:33	deadweasel	fuckin goat
10:33	mircea_popescu	pretty soon we;ll be entering "well preserved latin solidus" territory here.
10:33	deadweasel	yeah, hold those if you have'em
10:34	mircea_popescu	i bouight a trajan aureus once for about 11k
10:34	mircea_popescu	i think depending on the issue etc it may go as high as a mil or two
10:34	nubbins`	most costly non-casascius coin i ever purchased was just under 3k
10:35	deadweasel	ooh, that perty. http://www.romanorum.com.au/Info/Articles/Forming%20a%20Collection/Forming%20a%20collection/Preston-Trajan%20aureus.jpg
10:35	nubbins`	hm, that is cool
10:35	jcpham	means i'm going to get my 10 graded
10:35	jcpham	if people are already asking retard prices
10:35	nubbins`	what's it cost to get coins graded, anyway?
10:35	jcpham	i looked up anac last night
10:36	jcpham	and it's like 3 coins for 125
10:36	jcpham	iirc
10:36	nubbins`	oh, i was expecting it to cost more
10:36	jcpham	no
10:36	jcpham	it's 10 coins for 125
10:36	jcpham	so less
10:36	nubbins`	!
10:36	nubbins`	wow
10:36	nubbins`	you'd be foolish not to
10:36	jcpham	http://www.anacs.com/
10:36	ozbot	ANACS - America's Oldest Coin Authentication and Grading Service
10:36	nubbins`	although i can't see myself sending like $60k worth of coins through the mail
10:36	jcpham	yeah that's my problem
10:37	jcpham	that's exactly my problem
10:37	nubbins`	although at the risk of being cheeky
10:37	nubbins`	if you've got $60k worth of coins, you can fucking well afford a plane ticket
10:37	jcpham	that's what i was thinking too
10:38	nubbins`	not sure how that'd play out with customs tho
10:38	nubbins`	"anything to declare?"
10:38	mircea_popescu	nubbins` suppose they peel off the sticker
10:38	jcpham	it's in CO and we love colorado
10:38	mircea_popescu	as far as they're concerned this is no big deal
10:38	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: would probably spend a few minutes explaining to them what they're dealing with
10:38	mircea_popescu	this makes no difference
10:38	jcpham	i've already seen the anac graded cas coins so i know they grade them
10:39	jcpham	obv they've handled them
10:39	mircea_popescu	this also doesn't resolve the problem.
10:39	jcpham	but chain of custody is really important
10:39	mircea_popescu	suppose they send you the coin back w/o sticker. now what ?
10:39	mircea_popescu	you complain on the forum ?
10:39	nubbins`	lel, no, you file a lawsuit
10:39	mircea_popescu	do you ?
10:39	nubbins`	of course you do
10:39	nubbins`	what else, you just sniff and shrug?
10:39	mircea_popescu	don't ofcourse me. do you, nubbins, actuallty file a lawsuit ?
10:39	jcpham	i would either have to do that or eat it
10:40	nubbins`	i, nubbins, do indeed actually file a lawsuit
10:40	jcpham	at this point lawsuit
10:40	ThickAsThieves	lol domain http://www.oldmacdonaldhadafarmeie.io/
10:40	mircea_popescu	nubbins` who's representing you ?
10:40	jcpham	i've eaten enough losses
10:40	nubbins`	a lawyer would be the obvious choice
10:40	mircea_popescu	how much does he cost ?
10:40	nubbins`	less than $60k
10:40	mircea_popescu	what if he loses ?
10:40	nubbins`	what if the sun eats the earth?
10:41	mircea_popescu	no.
10:41	mircea_popescu	sun never ate the earth. lawyers lost all the time
10:41	mircea_popescu	;;google newegg
10:41	gribble	Newegg.com - Computer Parts, Laptops, Electronics, and More!: <http://www.newegg.com/>; Computer Parts, Computer Hardware - Newegg.com: <http://www.newegg.com/Computer-Hardware/Store>; Newegg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newegg>
10:41	nubbins`	this isn't patent law
10:41	mircea_popescu	it's worse.
10:41	nubbins`	contract law!
10:41	jcpham	yeah lulz at newegg losing after diffie
10:42	mircea_popescu	so there you have it. either you put aside money for the lawuyer and for the appeal
10:42	mircea_popescu	or no ofcourse.
10:42	jcpham	they couldn't have put a more correct person on the stand to give an accurate portrayel of history and still lost due to patent bullshit
10:42	mircea_popescu	^
10:42	mircea_popescu	they lost due to jury bullshit imo.
10:42	jcpham	it's sad
10:43	jcpham	that's for sure
10:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37020005 BTC [-]
10:43	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: seems risky for ANACS to just start peeling holograms on the off-chance that i won't sue them
10:43	mircea_popescu	you can either have a jury or not. if you do, it'll be made of idiots. if you don't, the state will just rape you.
10:43	mircea_popescu	nubbins` they can'ty control their employee.
10:43	deadweasel	goog ol' state rape.
10:43	mircea_popescu	think in terms of how the processes are articled in fact,
10:43	mircea_popescu	not in terms of how you would like to represent them.
10:43	ThickAsThieves	i dont even understand how you can confidently have juries for these things
10:44	mircea_popescu	if one guy that just got started woprking with anacs (or with the mail, or etc) figures he might as well, you're sol.
10:44	ThickAsThieves	ah i shoulda scrolled
10:44	nubbins`	hm
10:45	nubbins`	i'd think that ANACS would have some sort of policy surrounding what happens when an employee destroys a submitted coin
10:45	nubbins`	although just guessing here
10:45	mircea_popescu	except it's unlikely "destruction" is defined as "having peeled a sticker off"
10:45	nubbins`	i mean, this is their business
10:46	nubbins`	for these coins, destruction is precisely defined as such
10:46	mircea_popescu	by you.
10:46	nubbins`	nod
10:46	ThickAsThieves	just put it in a sleeve that says "DO NOT PEEL STICKER OR YOU DIE."
10:46	mircea_popescu	get casascius on the stand
10:46	ThickAsThieves	duh
10:46	mircea_popescu	(for a cost)
10:46	mircea_popescu	then lose.
10:47	jcpham	i'd agree peeling the sticker destroys the original value and ALL of the collectible value
10:47	jcpham	to me it renders it without value
10:47	nubbins`	why don't i just say "hey guys, why not sign this document stating that peeling the stickers off these constitutes destruction"
10:47	mircea_popescu	jcpham well yeah, but maybe you're insane. what's the court to know ?
10:47	nubbins`	this is not an insurmountable problem
10:47	mircea_popescu	nubbins` if you can get them to do that then sure, it's a constructive stgep forward.
10:47	jcpham	i *may* be able to provide documentation for the court suggesting that i am not insane though
10:48	mircea_popescu	the court will not consider it.
10:48	mircea_popescu	it isn't germane to the controversy.
10:48	nubbins`	jcpham: can't really prove a negative like that
10:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00203497 = 0.1709 BTC [+] {2}
10:48	jcpham	fuck the court get money, bitches.
10:48	jcpham	whoops
10:48	ThickAsThieves	just sell the coin, this is too stressful
10:48	mircea_popescu	lol
10:48	deadweasel	^
10:48	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: well, who the fuck is gonna buy a coin for $10k?
10:48	deadweasel	assholes
10:48	nubbins`	the problem is finding buyers
10:49	nubbins`	regardless of the coin's worth
10:49	jcpham	cash buyers, yes
10:49	ThickAsThieves	sell it for what its worth and someone will buy
10:49	jcpham	bitcoin buyers....not as difficult
10:49	nubbins`	still pretty difficult
10:49	nubbins`	10 btc is much more precious than it once was, even to people who got in early
10:49	mircea_popescu	lol that's evil ThickAsThieves
10:50	mircea_popescu	i wonder if this is factual, btc coins could indeed be worth less than the btc in them
10:50	jcpham	i think i could sell some of them back to the people i bought 'em from
10:50	jcpham	for more
10:50	mircea_popescu	logic seems to suggest this is true, or else bitcoin wouldn't be an improvement in the first place.
10:50	ThickAsThieves	well it's a collectible
10:50	ThickAsThieves	not a bitcoin
10:50	mircea_popescu	i guess it's protected because you just peel the sticker yoursel;f
10:51	ThickAsThieves	it's like a collectible that also comes with free bitcoins
10:51	jcpham	i'd like to be in another land one day and finally peel the sticker
10:51	jcpham	something refreshing like that
10:51	nubbins`	i peeled one a few weeks ago
10:51	nubbins`	felt great
10:51	ThickAsThieves	give it your real estate agent as commission when you buy your summer home
10:52	nubbins`	^
10:52	deadweasel	http://firstblockchain.com/
10:52	ozbot	First Blockchain Incorporated | The World's First Stateless Company Incorporated In And By The Bitco
10:52	nubbins`	can't buy a summer home
10:52	deadweasel	i think he's confused
10:52	nubbins`	owning 3 houses puts you squarely into "asshole" territory
10:52	jcpham	need to pay off mortgage on summer home
10:53	ThickAsThieves	i disagree nub
10:53	ThickAsThieves	3 houses in 3 countries, why not?
10:53	nubbins`	well, name a person who owns more than two homes who isn't an asshole
10:53	ThickAsThieves	landlords
10:53	jcpham	so it can't just be property it must be an actual dwelling x3
10:53	jcpham	i do not qualify for three dwellings
10:54	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: most landlords are assholes
10:54	ThickAsThieves	in the way that most Dads are assholes
10:54	ThickAsThieves	i guess
10:54	nubbins`	heh
10:54	nubbins`	well, they are
10:54	nubbins`	regardless of whether it's their shithead kids (or tenants) who made them that way
10:54	jcpham	i sense ThickAsThieves is a landlord
10:54	jcpham	i am a landlord
10:54	nubbins`	i am also a landlord
10:55	jcpham	maybe i have not had bad tenants yet
10:55	nubbins`	and an asshole, but only when the situation calls for it
10:55	nubbins`	i've had brutal tenants
10:55	ThickAsThieves	i am indeed a landlord
10:55	nubbins`	current ones are great tho
10:55	nubbins`	hey, landlord club!
10:55	ThickAsThieves	and will probly add properties
10:55	jcpham	mine have been very much nor,al so far
10:55	jcpham	probably smugglers
10:56	nubbins`	i'll probably sell one next year when the current lease is up
10:56	nubbins`	property values have skyrocketed here
10:56	ThickAsThieves	but future properties will likely be pushed to mgmt company
10:56	ThickAsThieves	i also would not mind owning 3 homes personally
10:56	nubbins`	mgmt company is the way to go, depending on rates
10:56	nubbins`	lots of the ones here charge 1 month's rent per year in fees
10:56	ThickAsThieves	living 3-9mos per year in each or such
10:56	nubbins`	which is a bit rich, i think
10:57	mircea_popescu	someone should point out to that j b allen retard that bitcoin corps have existed for years now
10:58	deadweasel	I just sent a contact info invite to -assets
10:58	deadweasel	for fun
10:58	jcpham	i've done both the mgmt company and private
10:58	deadweasel	lol
10:58	jcpham	just been lucky so far both were good
10:58	nubbins`	ah, great
10:58	nubbins`	i had this one idiot mgmt person try to tell me that the house would never rent for more than $800/mo
10:58	mircea_popescu	deadweasel bet you he's too smart to figure out irc.
10:58	nubbins`	"but... that's less than the mortgage"
10:59	deadweasel	i put webchat link
10:59	mircea_popescu	o you're good at this.
10:59	jcpham	webchat bait links
10:59	jcpham	dirty tricks
10:59	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's better if the women own the houses.
10:59	nubbins`	what sort of size homes do you guys rent out?
10:59	mircea_popescu	and you own the women
11:00	nubbins`	ours is a 5-bedroom, 1.5 bathroom
11:00	jcpham	mines 3/1 it's a tiny house
11:00	nubbins`	that's a nice size for a rental
11:00	nubbins`	5/1.5 is almost too big
11:00	jcpham	i like it for that purpose
11:00	jcpham	tornados in 2011 wiped out 40% of it
11:00	deadweasel	1891 built old wood monster. 2 bed 1ba
11:00	jcpham	so it's new too
11:01	nubbins`	ah
11:01	nubbins`	yeah, ours is in a good location, but really old and starting to fall apart
11:01	jcpham	gotta keep the water out
11:01	nubbins`	nod
11:01	nubbins`	had a pipe burst a few months ago
11:01	ThickAsThieves	basically when i upgrade my home, i just rent out the old one, rather than sell it
11:01	nubbins`	shutoff valve wouldn't fully close, and the city couldn't find the curb stop
11:02	nubbins`	had to cut a flowing pipe and fit a valve onto it
11:02	nubbins`	wet times
11:02	nubbins`	but this house is OLD. all the wiring is external, even
11:02	ThickAsThieves	ah we 2 inches of water in half our house a few weeks ago
11:02	jcpham	i've seen shitty houses last and rent forever
11:02	ThickAsThieves	brand new hardwood floors
11:03	jcpham	just needs anew roof every 10 years or so
11:03	jcpham	as long as you keep the water out
11:03	ThickAsThieves	luckily the installers did a good job, and we caught the leak early enough to have no notable damage
11:03	nubbins`	nice
11:03	nubbins`	i had a gallon a minute coming down through the ceiling
11:04	ThickAsThieves	ugh
11:04	nubbins`	yep
11:04	nubbins`	apparently there was a bad batch of copper put out about 20 years ago, and it's all starting to fail
11:04	ThickAsThieves	this made me wonder why bathrooms dont naturally have a shower drain in the middle of the room
11:04	nubbins`	in some countries, they do
11:04	nubbins`	korean bathrooms are like this
11:05	ThickAsThieves	it just makes sense
11:05	mircea_popescu	they do here.
11:05	nubbins`	http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FTVdBruEU98/TFxFKAbHaTI/AAAAAAAAADs/hqWgRn8-Oi0/s1600/P1030654.JPG
11:05	nubbins`	note showerhead on wall
11:05	ThickAsThieves	one bad $10 toilet part and suddenly youre fukt
11:06	ThickAsThieves	nice
11:06	nubbins`	great, but you need sandals for the bathroom
11:06	nubbins`	otherwise your socks get wet every time you take a piss
11:06	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/instalatorotenia/
11:06	ozbot	Instalatorotenia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:06	ThickAsThieves	yeah thats more extreme than i request
11:06	mircea_popescu	this is me bitching because the floor is not properly inclined
11:06	ThickAsThieves	shower can have a stall, it's ok
11:06	mircea_popescu	so water puddles rather than drains
11:06	deadweasel	nice tile.
11:07	deadweasel	did you bend the floor in there?
11:07	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: i was in ONE house in korea that had an actual tub
11:07	mircea_popescu	deadweasel no
11:07	deadweasel	oh, scrollback
11:07	nubbins`	and even this one didn't have a shower curtain
11:07	nubbins`	so the water still went everywhere
11:08	mircea_popescu	shower curtains are for pussies.
11:08	mircea_popescu	you wanna see what's going in there neh ?
11:08	nubbins`	or those who don't want wet floors
11:11	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg3738141#msg3738141
11:11	ozbot	This is the story of your loss.
11:11	nubbins`	wonder what the average market value of s.dice was
11:11	mircea_popescu	i wonder if i published that.
11:12	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-market-cap-vs-sdice-market-cap/ well there's that. guess who's gladoscc.
11:12	ozbot	S.MPOE market cap vs S.DICE market cap pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:13	ThickAsThieves	glados is TF
11:13	mircea_popescu	indeed.
11:14	nubbins`	was he old enough to vote at that point, i wonder?
11:14	nubbins`	god damn, i love wheat beer.
11:14	ThickAsThieves	i apologize to MPOE-PR but I don't have the energy to piece-by-piece rebut. generally, i get her points but feel she's being too fast and loose in justifying them. No point restating that in new ways.
11:15	nubbins`	on a somewhat related note, anyone else think voorhees looks like Gob from Arrested Development?
11:15	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that works tbh.
11:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37020008 = 0.7404 BTC [+]
11:18	mircea_popescu	nubbins` 43`998`459 s.dice shares traded, for 167063.39157175 btc total.
11:18	mircea_popescu	comes to ~37
11:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.37014933 = 5.5522 BTC [-] {5}
11:19	nubbins`	forced buyback was what, 35?
11:19	mircea_popescu	yeah
11:20	mircea_popescu	well it was trading around 20 at the time, but it had peaked significantly earlier on. 60 or so
11:20	nubbins`	nod
11:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.03300006 = 0.858 BTC [-] {3}
11:23	mircea_popescu	2013-11-27 02:27:00 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 Infinity Infinity Infinity
11:23	mircea_popescu	bitcoincharts working well today
11:23	nubbins`	heh
11:23	nubbins`	ATH: infinity
11:24	mircea_popescu	http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/27/hard-drive-bitcoin-landfill-site
11:24	mircea_popescu	what the fuck was it doing there.
11:24	ThickAsThieves	hey anyone else have this kinda phenomenon where you dont talk about bitcoin socially because when you do it's like youre creating a little monster?
11:24	nubbins`	haha, what a fucking asshole
11:24	ThickAsThieves	like a greedy ignorant little demon
11:24	mircea_popescu	i never talked about btc socially for this reason
11:24	nubbins`	tat, yes
11:25	nubbins`	generally bragging about how much money you have is boorish
11:25	ThickAsThieves	it never fails when with my wife at things
11:25	nubbins`	and even casually mentioning you own some btc is generally construed as meaning you've got a bunch of money
11:25	ThickAsThieves	tell them about what you do!
11:25	ThickAsThieves	ugh...
11:25	ThickAsThieves	basically i just say "yeah i trade bitcoins"
11:26	mircea_popescu	http://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0
11:26	ozbot	What is ProtoShares?
11:26	mircea_popescu	can anyone explain what the fuck that all is ?
11:26	pankkake	mircea_popescu: fucking retarded
11:26	pankkake	made me a lot of btc though
11:26	pankkake	bytemaster is so stupid
11:27	ThickAsThieves	what;s a DAC?
11:27	ThickAsThieves	Digital Alt Coin?
11:27	nubbins`	dick ass cunt
11:27	nubbins`	no idea really
11:27	pankkake	but basically he released protoshares, an altcoin, which is has a memory heavy proof of work
11:28	pankkake	he planned to mine 30% of it but failed because he got his hardware late and fucked up on diff adjustment
11:28	mircea_popescu	lol whatg.
11:28	pankkake	so he started trying to want more "decentralized" solutions
11:28	mircea_popescu	so he failed to premine his own alt scam ?
11:29	nubbins`	why does almost everything in the sphere of btc reek of a complete lack of planning?
11:29	nubbins`	like
11:29	nubbins`	where are the grown-ups?
11:29	pankkake	oh also there was a bounty of $5000 for anyone who could prove it would work faster on the gpu (as the objective of the pow was that it shouldn't)
11:29	nubbins`	"i can do everything!"
11:29	nubbins`	no, you're 18, you can't
11:29	mircea_popescu	coming from nubbins` who just got trampled all to shit hours ago over his poor litigation planning.
11:29	nubbins`	trampled, pff
11:29	pankkake	then he wanted the exact contrary, make it gpu minable to be more "decentralized"
11:29	nubbins`	your doom and gloom has no place here!
11:29	pankkake	anyway, the idea is that anything they will release next will be a chain fork of ProtoShares
11:30	pankkake	they have "BitShares" or "BitDomains" coming
11:30	pankkake	no idea how it is supposed to work
11:30	pankkake	I'm probably missing and messing up stuff, I am a bit delirious
11:30	pankkake	but really, lol
11:30	mircea_popescu	planning is hard, homie. if it were easy i'd have to find a honest way to make a living.
11:31	pankkake	I got my btc from the instamine, everything's good
11:31	mircea_popescu	how much btc is that ?
11:31	pankkake	about 4 I think
11:31	pankkake	had I waited it would have been 10
11:31	pankkake	but oh well
11:31	mircea_popescu	had you stuck the entire thing in your netherhole it'd have been 10 too.
11:32	pankkake	do note that it's with zero investment, just the few computers I have running anyway
11:33	mircea_popescu	well ok. thanks for knowing all this obscure shit, it makes my life easier.
11:33	pankkake	well, free money
11:33	pankkake	those obscure coins sell well, because noobs can't figure out how to mine
11:34	deadweasel	"Hi deadweasel,
11:34	deadweasel	and good evening from Indonesia!
11:34	deadweasel	Thanks so much for reaching out. I'm embarassed to say, I was not familiar with MPeX - just having a browse noew and getting caught up.
11:34	ThickAsThieves	ltc at .0307 btc
11:34	deadweasel	Thank you for your supportive words. I did not realize there were similar efforts going on - I hope I am not stepping on any toes.
11:34	deadweasel	I'll be very interested to hear more about what is already underway - will look you up soon on IRC then.
11:34	deadweasel	Best,
11:34	nubbins`	aha
11:34	pankkake	MPeX? how do you like that
11:35	mircea_popescu	deadweasel you're too good at this i swear.
11:35	ThickAsThieves	guy actually sounds reasonable!
11:35	nubbins`	^
11:35	mircea_popescu	i blame dw.
11:35	nubbins`	was gonna say
11:35	deadweasel	:)
11:35	mircea_popescu	who the fuck knows what he put in the email.
11:35	mircea_popescu	coolaid.
11:35	nubbins`	that's a polite, lucid response
11:36	nubbins`	what's he selling again? ;p
11:36	mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Rolling-Square.gif
11:37	nubbins`	works wonderfully for some values of "road"
11:37	deadweasel	i just wanted to discuss with him. his ideas are interesting, if not usable yet.
11:38	mircea_popescu	deadweasel so far he's way above the noob curve, as the others have wisely pointed out.
11:38	deadweasel	hope he hops on today.
11:38	mircea_popescu	https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-November/031215.html
11:38	ozbot	[tor-talk] "Safeplug"
11:39	mircea_popescu	this takes the "most retarded thing on tor" award.
11:39	ThickAsThieves	"I was on the verge of pulling the trigger at $65 when there was a lull a couple of months ago!! Am kicking myself right now!"
11:39	ThickAsThieves	i like this current magical rewriting of when the price was at certain points
11:39	ThickAsThieves	i saw it on CNBC too
11:39	pankkake	you'd be safer with a buttplug
11:40	ThickAsThieves	announcer saying he bought at $100 last month
11:40	nubbins`	^ at least that stops you from getting fucked in the ass
11:40	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so now you know the announcer is a lying sob.
11:40	thestringpuller	;;ticker
11:40	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1043.0, Best ask: 1043.9999, Bid-ask spread: 0.99990, Last trade: 1041.0, 24 hour volume: 31845.13612728, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 960.98895
11:40	mircea_popescu	but anyway, bitcoin is now that thing anyone wants to pretend they have.
11:40	thestringpuller	wow is it really stabilizing at 1000?
11:40	mircea_popescu	due to its anony nature, they can.
11:40	pankkake	the first rule about trading bitcoins is lying about your past performance
11:41	ThickAsThieves	yes the tone has changed for sure
11:41	ThickAsThieves	"My only concern is not even the smartest tech guys I know truly understand it. "
11:41	nubbins`	heh
11:41	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: if someone made a bitcoin charts like api that was more reliable would you be willing to run the MPOE bot off that?
11:41	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you got a problem with 1000 ? are you an anti-thousandist ?
11:41	ThickAsThieves	theverge.com comments have totally shifted
11:41	ThickAsThieves	to regret
11:41	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller in principle.
11:41	nubbins`	no point for me to lie, most people here probably already think i ate too many paint chips as a child
11:41	thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc
11:41	gribble	Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
11:41	thestringpuller	cause ^ is ridiculous
11:41	mircea_popescu	ikr?
11:41	mike_c	i thought bitcoincharts got new hardware.
11:42	mircea_popescu	but in its defense, the price is out of band anyway.
11:42	mircea_popescu	mike_c yes. it's smaller than before.
11:42	mircea_popescu	like a vaginoplasty.
11:42	mike_c	maybe they bought those new quantum servers
11:42	dexX7	;;goxlag
11:42	gribble	MtGox lag is 4.850078 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00971950200782 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Saturn to its largest moon, Titan (0.00802 AU).
11:42	nubbins`	"raspi is cheap, let's get a bunch of those and install apache"
11:42	thestringpuller	hahaha
11:42	mircea_popescu	jajaj
11:42	pankkake	there was one company selling hosting on mac minis
11:43	nubbins`	lelelelelelelel
11:43	thestringpuller	kekekekekekekeke
11:43	thestringpuller	zergling rush!
11:43	pankkake	héhé
11:43	pankkake	why aren't koreans into bitcoin?
11:43	nubbins`	seriously, there must be a guy out there somewhere with a beowulf cluster of raspis
11:43	mircea_popescu	they are.
11:43	pankkake	I wasn't aware
11:44	nubbins`	trying to figure out how to get apache to play nice with MPI
11:44	ThickAsThieves	wasnt there recent news about korea and btc?
11:44	mircea_popescu	https://pogoplug.com/safeplug
11:44	ozbot	Safeplug: Safe, Secure, Anonymous Web Browsing From any Device
11:44	mircea_popescu	woman's head says... "Activate my safeplug"
11:44	mike_c	mp, this is the.. fourth time you are going to have to update strikes this year?
11:44	deadweasel	yes, no cap gains
11:44	pankkake	oh yes
11:44	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: no tax
11:44	mircea_popescu	mike_c something like that
11:44	mircea_popescu	two degrees of magnitude in there.
11:45	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: is that like, yellow buttplug if you want things to change direction and red buttplug to stop scene immediately?
11:45	pankkake	http://bitbet.us/bet/402/non-south-korea/ wow I missed a starcraft bet!
11:45	ozbot	BitBet - Non-South Korean to win the Starcraft 2 "2013 DreamHack Open: Stockholm" tournament
11:45	nubbins`	^ that shit's on tv there
11:45	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
11:45	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1060.0, Best ask: 1069.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.00000, Last trade: 1069.0, 24 hour volume: 32565.53644014, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 963.61072
11:46	pankkake	oh you can watch starcraft in bars all over the world now
11:46	nubbins`	o
11:46	asciilifeform	i once read that in america, it is customary to plug the butts of condemned criminals. they are denied the traditional gallows privilege of shitting themselves.
11:46	asciilifeform	this must mean something, culturally.
11:47	nubbins`	well, few things feel as good as taking a shit
11:47	mike_c	this actually has a chance. insane.
11:47	mike_c	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2013#384211
11:47	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
11:48	asciilifeform	once read that louis xvi and marie a. held it in for a week, prior to their magic date.
11:48	markedathome	so now that bitcoin has passed 1000usd, will 'the good wife' do a followup to their "bitcoin" episode?
11:48	ThickAsThieves	i cant bring myself to watch that show
11:48	ThickAsThieves	the name, the main actress, all make me squirm
11:49	nubbins`	never watched it, probably won't
11:49	ThickAsThieves	i downloaded the bitcoin ep to try it
11:49	ThickAsThieves	i made it like 3minutes in
11:49	pankkake	the name made me think it was reality tv
11:50	nubbins`	fuckit, i'm posting this here too
11:50	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fk0Y6Lu_uA
11:50	ozbot	Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody (A-Cappella) - YouTube
11:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.15000105 = 1.05 BTC [-] {4}
11:50	nubbins`	awesome
11:51	pankkake	I can't listen to this song without thinking of the Wayne's World bit
11:51	ThickAsThieves	harmony is def underappreciated
11:52	nubbins`	right? people don't sing like this
11:52	nubbins`	fucking amazing
11:52	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
11:52	pankkake	it's pretty good, and it's coming from someone who hates most singing
11:52	nubbins`	pretty lelly when the headbanging part comes up and it's just silence for like a minute
11:53	thestringpuller	!ticker m S.mpoe
11:53	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080752 / 0.00081224 / 0.00083 (30884 shares, 25.09 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00079132 / 0.00085604 (1112027 shares, 879.97 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082335 / 0.00088996 (5198653 shares, 4,280.36 BTC)
11:53	thestringpuller	!last m S.MPOE
11:53	assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00082913 BTC [+]
11:53	thestringpuller	righteous
11:55	nubbins`	this one is pretty sick too:
11:55	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klr5z0hoP04
11:55	ozbot	Freddie Mercury vs. Crowd - YouTube
11:55	ThickAsThieves	;;baratio
11:55	nubbins`	some set of teeth on him
11:55	gribble	Total bids: 36829309 USD. Total asks: 14725 BTC. Ratio: 2501.07829 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 232.0051 seconds
11:56	ThickAsThieves	surely put a fright into some of his lovers
11:56	ThickAsThieves	chomp!
11:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.36126667 = 1.0838 BTC [-] {2}
11:57	nubbins`	lel
11:57	nubbins`	no doubt
11:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.096 = 0.48 BTC [-]
11:57	nubbins`	anyway, click that video
11:58	Venat	Such bitcoin, nice price. Woah, not central
11:58	nubbins`	^ lel
11:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.0322 = 0.805 BTC [-]
11:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15000104 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
11:58	Venat	;;ticker
11:58	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1062.323, Best ask: 1064.994, Bid-ask spread: 2.67100, Last trade: 1062.323, 24 hour volume: 32653.65049996, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 964.51224
11:58	Venat	and we did it
11:58	nubbins`	y'know, the first time i bought a Queen cassette, the fucking thing was spooled backwards
11:59	nubbins`	i made it through BOTH SIDES of the tape before deciding that this was in fact the case
11:59	ThickAsThieves	vid gave me chills
11:59	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> harmony is def underappreciated <<
11:59	ThickAsThieves	good stuff
11:59	Venat	nubbins`, you the one with the diaries?
12:00	nubbins`	?
12:01	ThickAsThieves	freddie mercury babbling sounds on stage can communicate better with a crowd than most leaders
12:01	nubbins`	inorite?
12:01	nubbins`	the only similarity is the "fuck you" at the end ;D
12:02	mircea_popescu	deadweasel o look, your friend was here. you missed him!
12:02	Venat	is there a way to track how many addresses there are currently
12:03	mircea_popescu	you could parse the blockchain for all addresses seen so far.
12:03	nubbins`	addresses with btc in them?
12:04	Venat	i see
12:04	nubbins`	there's a ton of these acapella videos on youtube, some of them are pretty funny
12:04	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSESEUMQ6WA
12:04	nubbins`	not sure why lemmy isn't dead yet
12:05	ThickAsThieves	you know there's an easy way to make acappella versions?
12:05	ThickAsThieves	it requires the mix to be favorable
12:05	ThickAsThieves	newer mixes are impossible usually
12:05	nubbins`	nod
12:05	nubbins`	you can hear the backing tracks in a lot of these, very faintly
12:06	nubbins`	occasionally you'll find one that's just the naked vocal track from the mixing board, but those are pretty rare
12:06	ThickAsThieves	it's like magic when you show someone
12:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14705602 BTC [-]
12:06	ThickAsThieves	and explain why
12:06	ThickAsThieves	hard to comprehend
12:07	nubbins`	the bohemian rhapsody one, you could hear a few piano parts where they happened to be around the same freqs as his voice
12:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0005 = 0.25 BTC [+]
12:07	nubbins`	hm. would love to find some talking heads vocal tracks
12:07	ThickAsThieves	more likely piano leaked into the vocal track
12:08	pankkake	http://blog.oleganza.com/post/68246062759/arguments-for-litecoin-are-fraudulent
12:08	ozbot	Oleg Andreev - Arguments for Litecoin are fraudulent
12:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.145 = 0.29 BTC [-]
12:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18858 @ 0.00007974 = 1.5037 BTC [+] {2}
12:09	ThickAsThieves	article is weak
12:09	nubbins`	hm, yeah, that's possible too
12:09	drmandude	Anyone from bitbet in here?
12:09	mircea_popescu	possibly.
12:09	drmandude	http://bitbet.us/bet/626/bitcoin-will-stay-above-1000-for-the-rest/
12:09	mircea_popescu	do you bring cookies ?
12:09	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin will stay above $1000 for the rest of 2013
12:09	drmandude	1000 for the rest of 2013
12:09	ThickAsThieves	no coin NEEDS to win
12:09	drmandude	but there's 10 months of closing time
12:09	mircea_popescu	ono ?!
12:09	pankkake	that's not the point of the article
12:10	ThickAsThieves	its the premise
12:10	mircea_popescu	bah. ty for saying
12:10	ThickAsThieves	that LTC is useless unless it beats BTC
12:10	pankkake	let's say "unless it offers something else"
12:10	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: I'm the cookie guy!!!!
12:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00049999 = 0.5 BTC [-]
12:10	ThickAsThieves	bitcoin could fork
12:10	ThickAsThieves	and both forks live forever
12:11	thestringpuller	there should be a bet for that ThickAsThieves
12:11	thestringpuller	bitcoin forks in 2014
12:11	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb6izAqdTnc
12:11	ozbot	Talking Heads - Fear of Music - YouTube
12:11	mircea_popescu	that's about as unlikely as your favourite gf spontaneously cloning
12:11	thestringpuller	err bitcoin blockchain forks in 2014
12:11	mircea_popescu	i mean... bacteria do it...
12:11	nubbins`	full album, not acapella, w/e
12:11	nubbins`	grow up and listen to it
12:11	ThickAsThieves	i argue that you are wrong because it is already the case
12:11	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller that;s actually a good bet.
12:11	ThickAsThieves	litecoin being a btc fork
12:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.09008572 = 0.6306 BTC [-] {2}
12:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2020 @ 0.00005446 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}
12:11	mircea_popescu	i thought you meant blockchain fork
12:11	mircea_popescu	not software fork
12:12	ThickAsThieves	i did, as an example that it's also possible
12:12	ThickAsThieves	however unlikely it may be
12:12	ThickAsThieves	i personally dont find it to be THAT impossible
12:12	mircea_popescu	so is the cloning gf.
12:12	pankkake	they'd both call the other one the altcoin
12:12	pankkake	one would be named "the real bitcoin"
12:12	mircea_popescu	it'd resolve within a week.
12:12	pankkake	the other "the realest bitcoin"
12:12	ThickAsThieves	bitcoin red and bitcoin black
12:12	ThickAsThieves	or such
12:13	pankkake	probably over issuing a block of 100000 BTC for a bailout
12:13	nubbins`	like the original ghostbusters vs the real ghostbusters
12:13	mircea_popescu	pankkake nah, that'd make it clear which is the wrong one
12:13	mircea_popescu	and it'd sink within days
12:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14360952 BTC [-]
12:13	ThickAsThieves	http://coinmarketcap.com/
12:13	ozbot	Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Litecoin Peercoin Namecoin Primecoin Feathercoin No
12:13	ThickAsThieves	look, millions in several coins
12:14	pankkake	feathercoin +50%, lel
12:14	mircea_popescu	you have to appreciate the following mechanism : if there's a blockchain fork, the two forks can be sold and bought independently.
12:14	pankkake	infinitecoin has a better progression than litecoin
12:14	ThickAsThieves	exactly
12:14	mircea_popescu	everyone has an incentive to sell the loser RIGHT NOW while the price is still good
12:14	mircea_popescu	nobody has any incentive to wait.
12:14	mircea_popescu	so the sinking of the identifiably bad chain will flash.
12:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [-]
12:14	ThickAsThieves	what about the people on the winning side?
12:14	ThickAsThieves	they should wait, no?
12:14	mircea_popescu	if there's doubt it may linger, but it is possibly the most unstable situation in naturel.
12:15	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you're always on both sides of a fork. by definition.
12:15	mircea_popescu	gotta sell one.
12:15	ThickAsThieves	what of the circumstance creates that uncertainty
12:15	ThickAsThieves	if
12:15	mircea_popescu	it will still resolve, because the slightest randomness will amplify
12:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14300001 BTC [-]
12:15	mircea_popescu	it may come down to which gets a 1hr block firsty
12:15	mircea_popescu	or something like that, but it will resolve.
12:16	pankkake	there's a blockchain fork of bitcoin already, the bitcoin-scrypt thing
12:16	ThickAsThieves	maybe so
12:16	ThickAsThieves	however none of this leads back to LTC arguments being fraudulent
12:16	ThickAsThieves	as the article suggest
12:16	ThickAsThieves	s
12:16	mircea_popescu	this is all a discussion of a blockchain fork, not of a software fork
12:16	mircea_popescu	software forks are quite stable.
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2700 @ 0.00008188 = 0.2211 BTC [+] {3}
12:18	ThickAsThieves	heh
12:18	ThickAsThieves	is that the HIF opening trade?
12:19	nubbins`	oh my!
12:19	nubbins`	forgot about that
12:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3612 BTC [-]
12:19	nubbins`	opening trade: 2013-11-27 12:06:312000฿0.00002500฿0.0500
12:19	deadweasel	time to start truly mining bitcoins: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/27/hard-drive-bitcoin-landfill-site
12:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4767 @ 0.00084209 = 4.0142 BTC [+]
12:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.119975 = 0.4799 BTC [+] {2}
12:20	nubbins`	there appears to be a large amount of fail happening with HIF
12:21	nubbins`	people not counting their zeroes
12:21	mircea_popescu	that's an endemic problem.
12:21	pankkake	HIF: High Investement Failure
12:22	nubbins`	turns out leading zeroes ARE significant if they're on the right-hand side of the decimal
12:22	nubbins`	seriously, the first trade was at 5% of ipo price
12:22	nubbins`	my sides
12:22	mircea_popescu	wait what ?!
12:23	nubbins`	YES
12:23	ThickAsThieves	maybe that;s fair value
12:23	nubbins`	https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=HIF
12:23	mircea_popescu	ouch.
12:23	pankkake	I'm not even sure
12:23	pankkake	Humongous Investment Fraud
12:23	mircea_popescu	well in fairness s.dice got sold once into i don't recall but sometjhing like that, 10% of avg.
12:24	mircea_popescu	that was a 10k btc loss or thereabouts for the hapless author.
12:24	nubbins`	you can almost hear the screams of anguish
12:24	nubbins`	math, important
12:24	ThickAsThieves	and a huge gain for the bidder, cuz it was probly the week before closing
12:24	ThickAsThieves	and the bidder was probly erik
12:24	mircea_popescu	nah, it was a month ior so after listing
12:24	markedathome	7500btc
12:25	ThickAsThieves	oh
12:25	mircea_popescu	the buyer(s) ? made ouyt like bandits
12:25	ThickAsThieves	i recall some great buys before closing too
12:25	ThickAsThieves	the week before
12:25	nubbins`	yeah, there was a spell there
12:25	mircea_popescu	20ish something yeah
12:26	ThickAsThieves	too bad no one would sell off xbond before closing :(
12:26	pankkake	well, hadn't I held it, I would have told you to fake financial difficulties
12:26	ThickAsThieves	haha
12:26	pankkake	or just hint
12:27	ThickAsThieves	i just couldnt
12:27	mircea_popescu	kinda scummy thing to do.
12:27	nubbins`	scumbag asset manager
12:27	nubbins`	where's that burberry baseball cap...
12:27	ThickAsThieves	very landlordian
12:27	nubbins`	like a landlord from a dickens novel
12:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0035 = 0.245 BTC [-] {2}
12:28	nubbins`	can i just say that i had no idea how much having a safety deposit box makes you feel like a baller?
12:28	ThickAsThieves	LOL
12:28	nubbins`	srsly, special privacy rooms and shit
12:28	ThickAsThieves	oops caps
12:28	nubbins`	"i'll just give you some privacy, mr keefe"
12:28	mircea_popescu	i wonder how long before google starts running its own blockchain
12:28	ThickAsThieves	hmm OneFixt is calling a drop to 760, 600
12:29	ThickAsThieves	pretty bold
12:29	mircea_popescu	in order to be able to serve queries like google 2bce51603d490da5a76b56a8f36665b26ed9a4cc1da24e5eedf1101a25d96155
12:29	nubbins`	hm
12:29	nubbins`	probably only a matter of time
12:29	pankkake	why would they need something decentralized?
12:29	nubbins`	you can already do a crazy amount of stuff via google
12:29	ThickAsThieves	maybe they find way to circumvent NSA via blockchain
12:30	mircea_popescu	the blockchain ios such a poor messaging protocol./
12:30	pankkake	actually bitcoin is more, it's trustless
12:30	ThickAsThieves	more likely,
12:30	pankkake	and google could trust all its nodes
12:30	ThickAsThieves	theyll start gathering data on BTC addresses
12:30	ThickAsThieves	to start tagging them
12:30	deadweasel	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
12:30	nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/search?q=once+in+a+blue+moon+*+number+of+horns+on+a+unicorn
12:30	deadweasel	sry
12:31	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves all data is already gathered ya know ?
12:31	ThickAsThieves	1Gkjhkf456KGHFrtds449875t85 addy will have "like cat videos" "shops at newegg" etc
12:31	pankkake	what's this blue moon thing?
12:31	nubbins`	actual lunar occurrence
12:31	nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/search?q=the+answer+to+life%2C+the+universe+and+everything+*+the+loneliest+number
12:31	nubbins`	and so on
12:32	pankkake	oh, sad 1 :/
12:32	nubbins`	D:
12:33	ThickAsThieves	how is it not worth $7.5m to dig up a 4-foot deep football field?
12:33	nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/search?q=a+baker's+dozen+%2F+once+in+a+blue+moon
12:33	nubbins`	well, it's an active landfill
12:33	nubbins`	he's probably not allowed
12:33	ThickAsThieves	he talks like he is
12:34	ThickAsThieves	he basically says he doesnt feel like it
12:34	nubbins`	maybe he should rent an excavator like he is
12:34	nubbins`	i mean, how would you ever find it anyway
12:34	nubbins`	you'd literally have to sort through every piece of trash
12:34	ThickAsThieves	well you put everything on a conveyor back into the dump
12:34	ThickAsThieves	and stand there every day
12:34	nubbins`	every empty potato chip bag, every shitty diaper
12:35	nubbins`	and then at the end you find a smashed hard drive covered in dog vomit
12:35	nubbins`	and thusly commit your body to the dump
12:35	mircea_popescu	that drive is gone
12:35	nubbins`	as a final gesture of anguish
12:35	mircea_popescu	andthe story smells like attention whoring tbh.
12:35	ThickAsThieves	probly
12:36	deadweasel	yup
12:36	ThickAsThieves	but those coins are probly $20m or whatever next week...
12:36	nubbins`	"hard luck, plz donate to 1TotallyDidntMakeStoryUp92837
12:36	nubbins`	"
12:36	pankkake	even if fake I'm sure that story happenned elsewhere or will
12:36	pankkake	but no one will talk about it
12:37	nubbins`	pretty much broadcasting your idiocy to the world
12:37	nubbins`	why not just use the forums, amirite?
12:37	ThickAsThieves	i coulda been a contender!
12:37	mircea_popescu	lol nubbins` has it.
12:37	nubbins`	(snare x2, crash x1)
12:37	ThickAsThieves	badoom tsssss
12:38	nubbins`	http://instantrimshot.com/
12:38	ozbot	Welcome to Instant Rimshot
12:38	pankkake	on the french forum one guy claimed to have many bitcoins but password protected and he forgot it
12:38	nubbins`	y'know, i didn't really intend for this to be my nick
12:38	pankkake	but at the time wallet encryption didn't exist
12:39	nubbins`	i wanted to post something on the forums and just signed up with the first word that popped into my head
12:39	pankkake	and he wouldn't reply on what he used to encrypt it
12:39	nubbins`	pankkake: winzip ;)
12:39	pankkake	hehe, well, if it was, it would be so easily recoverable
12:39	nubbins`	WAIT YOU CAN CRACK WINZIP PASSWORDS?!!?!?
12:39	deadweasel	ya
12:39	deadweasel	srs?
12:40	pankkake	the old algorithms are pretty bad IIRC
12:40	nubbins`	not srs
12:40	ThickAsThieves	so in 2020 will we have treasure hunters scowering the earth for computers trashed in 2011, 2012
12:40	deadweasel	:D
12:40	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they all go to africa
12:40	mircea_popescu	so yet another reason for those ppl to import old hardware.
12:40	deadweasel	fuck, better get started now! i could start getting togbether an ultrasonic profile of laptop drive matching the model... maybe I could find it.
12:41	ThickAsThieves	well i'd approach it dmeographically first
12:41	deadweasel	although I'd also hav eto know the profile of every piece of shitty garbage
12:41	ThickAsThieves	try to pinpoint hubs of people likely to have mined somehow
12:41	ThickAsThieves	like maybe all these PCs are still in garages
12:42	ThickAsThieves	since no one throws their PCs away
12:42	ThickAsThieves	or in thrift stores
12:42	ThickAsThieves	salvation armies and such
12:42	mircea_popescu	thrift store owner, the job of the future.
12:42	deadweasel	you should run a computer disposal service that only accepts btc!
12:42	ThickAsThieves	thats not right
12:42	ThickAsThieves	wrong audience
12:42	nubbins`	people pay to dispose of computers?
12:43	deadweasel	not very much, but yes, they have to. enviro terror otherwise
12:43	nubbins`	have to != do
12:43	nubbins`	you "have to" pay $50 to throw an old television away
12:43	nubbins`	but people just toss 'em into the bins at the dump anyway
12:43	deadweasel	big companies pay, individuals won't
12:44	nubbins`	yeah, fair enough
12:44	deadweasel	they do, don't they? i forget how much garbage is actually sorted.
12:44	nubbins`	depends on the region
12:44	deadweasel	i lived on a landfill for a few weeks. reclaimed section with exotic wildlife on it, mind you.
12:44	ThickAsThieves	this really has to be the dumps problem
12:44	nubbins`	they decided to build the dump at the edge of the ocean here
12:45	pankkake	I still use a 15 year old computer!
12:45	pankkake	I'm like totally environmental
12:45	nubbins`	there's a lovely section of the East Coast Trail that runs right past it
12:45	nubbins`	woods littered with teeny tiny bits of plastic
12:45	nubbins`	and a big sign at the end that says "why not use less plastic bags?"
12:45	markedathome	so new money making scheme is to buy every corporate hd on ebay to see if they have bitcoin wallets?
12:45	ThickAsThieves	lol the thing is so old it couldnt pass a an emissions inspection probly
12:45	deadweasel	plastic bags were a bane, I basically went around picking them up all day so animals wouldn't choke.
12:46	nubbins`	plastic bags are moronically wasteful
12:47	mircea_popescu	http://liberationbc.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/turtle-caught-in-plastic-ring.jpg
12:47	pankkake	works with humans too https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Kayan_woman_with_neck_rings.jpg
12:47	mircea_popescu	In 2009, marine biologists with Disney’s Animal Programs in Melbourne Beach, Florida, discovered a green sea turtle that was having trouble digesting food. They found that a piece of plastic had lodged in the turtle’s gastrointestinal tract. When biologists removed the obstruction, the turtle defecated 74 foreign objects in the subsequent month. Among the items documented were four types of latex balloons, five dif
12:47	mircea_popescu	ferent types of string, nine different types of soft plastic, four different types of hard plastic, a piece of carpet-like material, and two tar balls to boot.
12:48	pankkake	:/
12:48	pankkake	I hate litterers
12:48	mircea_popescu	tar balls!
12:49	ThickAsThieves	that turtle has a strange appetite
12:49	nubbins`	yeah
12:49	deadweasel	that is documented it nearly every living animal these days, some sort of plastic.
12:49	nubbins`	not even dogs are that stupid
12:49	nubbins`	seriously, tar balls
12:49	pankkake	tar balls, that's unixe
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0035 = 0.119 BTC [-]
12:49	deadweasel	they eat shit
12:49	deadweasel	tar balls surprise?
12:49	nubbins`	at least shit was food at some point
12:49	deadweasel	it is a pretty cool looking turtle mind you.
12:50	nubbins`	nod
12:50	deadweasel	baddonkadonk
12:50	nubbins`	given the choice, i'm sure he'd rather have skipped the corsetry tho
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.3612 = 2.5284 BTC [-]
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0034312 = 0.1201 BTC [-]
12:50	deadweasel	most women ofthe 18th century would have too.
12:50	deadweasel	but fuck'em
12:50	deadweasel	and butt fuck'em
12:50	deadweasel	because btc @1000!
12:50	pankkake	AM100 is now worth 1 LTC!
12:51	mircea_popescu	lmao all this hating.
12:51	pankkake	oh now, a zero more
12:51	deadweasel	i'm loving
12:51	pankkake	sorry for my havelockism
12:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.35977076 = 3.9575 BTC [-] {3}
12:51	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
12:51	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1061.00001, Best ask: 1066.92478, Bid-ask spread: 5.92477, Last trade: 1066.99997, 24 hour volume: 33579.21896322, 24 hour low: 882.00001, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 970.64069
12:52	mike_c	HIF market cap yesterday: 1,100 btc. today: 120 btc. ouch.
12:52	ThickAsThieves	;;bids 1000
12:52	gribble	There are currently 1157.0369 bitcoins demanded at or over 1000.0 USD, worth 1181926.43421 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1184 seconds
12:53	nubbins`	mike_c: still not really sure if it's people legit selling or just not counting zeroes
12:53	nubbins`	like
12:53	pankkake	gotta catch 'em all
12:53	nubbins`	why the fuck would you buy something and then IMMEDIATELY sell it for 10% of its value?
12:53	nubbins`	without even waiting a couple of hours?
12:53	pankkake	panic, ragequit?
12:54	mike_c	there are ~10 btc worth of asks at least below ipo price on the books right now
12:54	nubbins`	yeah
12:54	nubbins`	boggles
12:54	ThickAsThieves	everyone that wants it bought it
12:55	mike_c	the ipo investors must not know about dollar cost averaging ;)
12:56	nubbins`	i guess if the shiny doesn't double in value immediately, it's better to take a 90% loss?
12:56	ThickAsThieves	what was raised initially? did someone say 1100?
12:56	mike_c	that was market cap
12:56	ThickAsThieves	so less
12:56	mike_c	yeah
12:56	nubbins`	~1.75mn shares i think
12:57	nubbins`	1.25 at 0.0005
12:57	mike_c	933 btc raised
12:57	ThickAsThieves	word
12:57	ThickAsThieves	thx
12:57	ThickAsThieves	almost $1m
12:58	mike_c	;;calc 1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066
12:58	gribble	0.00093322
12:58	pankkake	not enough to do a realsolid
12:58	mike_c	that times 1000
12:58	mike_c	er, 1m
12:58	mike_c	;;calc 1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066 * 1000000
12:58	gribble	308.220625
12:58	mike_c	;;calc (1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066) * 1000000
12:58	gribble	933.22
12:58	mike_c	there
12:59	nubbins`	i dunno, i honestly think people just saw a "7" in the bid column
13:00	nubbins`	said "profit!"
13:00	nubbins`	and sold without checking numbers
13:00	mike_c	yeah.. that's what happens when you don't have a 30 btc entry fee
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3537777 BTC [-]
13:00	ThickAsThieves	while i would invest in Havelock, it would not be at the original price
13:01	pankkake	so what's your buy order at?
13:01	mike_c	you don't think its worth $1m?
13:01	mike_c	not much faith then.
13:01	ThickAsThieves	well 1.75m shares is like 1.75% of company right?
13:01	mike_c	ah
13:01	mike_c	really? so their market cap thing is completely off?
13:02	ThickAsThieves	it only counts issued shares
13:02	mike_c	wow. that's misleading.
13:02	nubbins`	is it tho
13:02	mike_c	topace: what's the rationale there?
13:02	ThickAsThieves	so in that sense i'm not sure the buy orders are ridiculous at all
13:03	ThickAsThieves	maybe even overpaying still
13:03	ThickAsThieves	depends on your valuation
13:03	nubbins`	i am interested to see how this "50 new funds" thing works out for them
13:03	nubbins`	pretty skeptical
13:03	mike_c	um, which valuation only counts 2% of the shares?
13:04	pankkake	my interpretation is "50 guys sent a mail to get listed"
13:04	mike_c	and calls that "market cap"
13:04	pankkake	not "50 funds will go live asap"
13:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
13:05	nubbins`	mike_c: i guess they mean "this particular market" ;p
13:06	ThickAsThieves	market cap probly shouldnt be displayed at all
13:06	mike_c	yeah, but, how can he justify redefining the words he uses?
13:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35177001 BTC [-]
13:06	nubbins`	people do it all the time
13:06	nubbins`	see: "geniune" windows
13:06	ThickAsThieves	for example market cap is meaningless for a PT
13:07	mike_c	market cap for a PT should be the market cap of the underlying.
13:07	ThickAsThieves	so you index all places it sells and sum the value?
13:07	ThickAsThieves	and then you average any not on market?
13:07	pankkake	how would that work for, say, AM100?
13:07	mike_c	yes. vwap * fully diluted shares
13:07	ThickAsThieves	and shares on 796.com
13:07	assbot	123!
13:07	ThickAsThieves	and auctions
13:08	ThickAsThieves	etc
13:08	nubbins`	still trying to figure out what triggers "123!"
13:08	ThickAsThieves	both ways of showing market cap are useful info
13:08	ThickAsThieves	but context is required
13:08	pankkake	nubbins`: 796
13:08	assbot	123!
13:08	nubbins`	ah, heh
13:08	nubbins`	it's happened to me a few times today
13:08	ThickAsThieves	ABC
13:08	ThickAsThieves	boo
13:08	nubbins`	AM is a poor example
13:08	pankkake	it happens with large numbers, it's silly
13:10	nubbins`	total noob question here, but are there any traditional assets that are traded simultaneously on, say, NYSE/LSE/TSE?
13:11	nubbins`	that's at least a starting point for this question of market cap
13:11	mike_c	no. we can argue over how to calculate the "price", but market cap is price * # of shares.
13:11	nubbins`	and i'm not talking like coca cola canada being listed on toronto stock exchange, i mean the exact same company
13:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.35177 = 1.4071 BTC [-]
13:11	mike_c	there are 20,000,000 shares of havelock
13:11	mike_c	not 1.9
13:12	ThickAsThieves	no
13:12	nubbins`	sure, i'm talking about AM now
13:12	pankkake	I think there is even assets traded in multiple currencies, like HSBC
13:12	mike_c	tat, show me any definition of market cap that is different from this.
13:12	nubbins`	sure, but is that the same HSBC or is it regional companies?
13:12	ThickAsThieves	i was disagreeing with the 20m
13:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.35073366 = 1.0522 BTC [-] {3}
13:12	ThickAsThieves	the shares represent a portion of the company
13:12	ThickAsThieves	not 100%
13:13	mike_c	HavelockInvestments.com will offer a total of 20,000,000 units.
13:13	mike_c	15,000,000 (75%) will be restricted units held privately by the owners of the Fund
13:13	mike_c	5,000,000 (25%) will be floated via the exchange
13:13	mike_c	not all 5m sold, so fully diluted ~ 17m units
13:13	pankkake	well I learned about it in http://ordrespontane.blogspot.com/2013/09/un-peu-de-magie.html and it seems to be the same (it talks about arbitrage basically. sorry for the French)
13:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.35003334 = 1.0501 BTC [-] {2}
13:13	ThickAsThieves	one sec
13:13	ThickAsThieves	i wanna quote it
13:14	ThickAsThieves	This offer will represent Twenty Percent (20%) in virtual units of the HavlockInvestments.com which is comprised in total of 100,000,000 units of the Fund. These units will never be diluted.
13:15	pankkake	they're already pretty diluted. homeopathic shares
13:15	mike_c	hm, i got my quote from their prospectus. where is yours from?
13:15	mike_c	oh
13:15	ThickAsThieves	page 2
13:15	mike_c	but that is authorized, not issued
13:15	mike_c	17mm issued
13:15	mike_c	?
13:15	ThickAsThieves	20,000,000 of 100m issued
13:15	ThickAsThieves	1.75m actually sold
13:16	ThickAsThieves	so
13:16	mike_c	yeah, 16.75mm
13:16	ThickAsThieves	the market cap you see
13:16	ThickAsThieves	represents only those
13:16	topace	^ correct
13:16	mike_c	not correct :)
13:16	mike_c	fully diluted is 16.75mm, yes?
13:16	ThickAsThieves	no
13:16	mike_c	... because i sez so?
13:17	ThickAsThieves	it says in the quote there 100m shares man
13:17	ThickAsThieves	only the ones sold in the IPO are publically traded
13:17	topace	there are 100m shares, 20m shares _will_ be on havelock eventually, 15m held privately on havelock, 5m floated. so far the 15m have not been allocated on havelock
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13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.35 = 4.55 BTC [-]
13:17	ThickAsThieves	i'm not clear on whether Havelock can issue the 5m or 20m remainder anytime
13:18	ThickAsThieves	sounds like they can
13:18	topace	we'll likely re-try the remainder of the second tranche in a few weeks
13:18	ThickAsThieves	at a new price or?
13:18	topace	once we get a couple other companies listed
13:18	topace	price TBD
13:18	nubbins`	should change the charts to show # of shares issued rather than price
13:19	nubbins`	to the moon!
13:19	mike_c	ok, so dividends.. they will be divided by 1.75 mm? the other 15mm get nothing right now?
13:19	ThickAsThieves	i agree the market cap stat could be better displayed
13:19	ThickAsThieves	i think just remove it from home page
13:19	ThickAsThieves	and have it on charts page and order page with better tag
13:20	mike_c	it says dividends will be divided by 100mm, but that doesn't make sense if no one owns 80mm of the units
13:20	topace	dividend goes to all 100m shares
13:20	ThickAsThieves	or show like 1750000/20000000/10000000 or whatever
13:20	mike_c	ok, you can't say the market cap is for 1.75m shares, but dividends are for 100m.
13:21	nubbins`	if i buy a previously unpurchased share a year from now, am i entitled to past dividends?
13:21	mike_c	and where the hell does 80% of the dividend go if nobody owns those units?
13:21	ThickAsThieves	nubbins be trollin
13:21	ThickAsThieves	it goes to operational
13:22	nubbins`	D;
13:22	mike_c	so to be clear: 15% of dividend to owners. 2% to shareholders. 83% to the company ledger.
13:22	topace	the panama fund owns 80m units, but since the ipo didnt sell out, it actually holds ~83.3m units still.
13:23	mike_c	i don't see how you can tell a potential shareholder "the market cap is based on 1.675m shares, but the dividend based on 100m"
13:23	ThickAsThieves	attack on 1000!
13:24	ThickAsThieves	its a misnomer
13:24	ThickAsThieves	its simply not the market cap
13:24	mike_c	yes. misnomer is a euphamism
13:24	ThickAsThieves	its the value of available shares
13:24	mike_c	it's wrong..
13:24	ThickAsThieves	1000 lost :(
13:24	ThickAsThieves	sorry mp
13:25	ThickAsThieves	how long agao did i say 4 hours?
13:25	nubbins`	less than 4 hours ago
13:25	ThickAsThieves	3.5hrs ago
13:26	ThickAsThieves	someone just retired
13:26	thestringpuller	;;ticker
13:26	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 986.03, Best ask: 988.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 983.0, 24 hour volume: 35414.56194001, 24 hour low: 882.15001, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.31508
13:26	nubbins`	or went to space with their friends
13:27	nubbins`	ah, lel. interesting time to be alive
13:27	nubbins`	isn't it?
13:27	ThickAsThieves	yes
13:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.143 BTC [-]
13:28	mike_c	topace, i am a fan, not a troll. you should remove that # from the site.. TaT seems to agree.
13:28	mike_c	</rant>
13:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.13100005 BTC [-]
13:35	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
13:35	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 935.67, Best ask: 945.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.33000, Last trade: 935.67, 24 hour volume: 38662.60385149, 24 hour low: 883.00002, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 972.80215
13:38	mike_c	prediction: tomorrow there will be 42 new articles about how volatile bitcoin is.
13:41	pankkake	we need a bitcoin spokeperson to stabilize the price
13:41	pankkake	our own bernanke
13:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1005 @ 0.00025074 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2}
13:42	pankkake	so we can know when to buy without ruining freedom
13:44	pankkake	http://btcwarn.com/ is usually a great service but these days it's useless, I get many mails and all are usually already outdated once they arrive
13:44	ozbot	BTCWarn.com -- Get Notified of BitCoin Price Changes
13:44	asciilifeform	can you say 'front running'? i knew you could!
13:52	ThickAsThieves	hmm, no AM divs yet today
13:52	ThickAsThieves	scam!
13:53	pankkake	AM seized by chinese gov
13:53	kakobrekla	;;seen mircea_popescu
13:53	gribble	mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> lmao all this hating.
13:53	kakobrekla	bah
13:54	kakobrekla	ah hes back
13:54	mircea_popescu	lol
13:54	ThickAsThieves	kako he just
13:54	ThickAsThieves	:)
13:54	kakobrekla	did he just joined??
13:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.35 = 1.4 BTC [-]
13:54	ThickAsThieves	hehe
13:54	kakobrekla	i dont see joins and parts
13:54	pankkake	oh you ignore joins
13:54	kakobrekla	yea
13:54	pankkake	that's what you get for being silly
13:54	TomServo	"Bitcoin will stay above $1000 for the rest of 2013" The shortest bitbet ever?
13:54	ThickAsThieves	it actually got made?
13:55	pankkake	bitbet never loses an occasion to scam
13:55	mircea_popescu	TomServo wrong expiry on it. should be redone
13:55	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
13:55	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 993.0, Best ask: 995.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 993.0, 24 hour volume: 41434.49020845, 24 hour low: 890.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 973.35555
13:55	ThickAsThieves	maybe wait til its 1000 again for more than 4 hours
13:56	ThickAsThieves	:)
13:56	mircea_popescu	nubbins`:
13:56	mircea_popescu	total noob question here, but are there any traditional assets that are traded simultaneously on, say, NYSE/LSE/TSE? << depositary receipts are used
13:56	mircea_popescu	so rthings like bp trade in europe and the us.
13:56	mircea_popescu	it's practically a pt system tho.
13:57	pankkake	eheh, btctctc used "depositary receipts" in its last days
13:57	BingoBoingo	I believe I fixed the specs for my BFL versus Active Miner submission using https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/600-gh-bitcoin-mining-card.html and http://virtualminingcorp.com/shop1/index.php?id_product=23&controller=product
13:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00194153 = 0.1087 BTC [-] {4}
13:58	pankkake	BingoBoingo: did you see my previous submission of the same bet?
13:58	pankkake	the desc is cut so I can't see what you did in case of none of them delivering
13:59	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Not really. How thoroughly did you try to spec it?
14:00	pankkake	BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/mdhGxhzP
14:00	pankkake	I excluded shareholders for VMC
14:00	pankkake	and specs are quite generous, it wast mostly about at least shipping something
14:00	pankkake	it was rejected because of last line
14:00	pankkake	"draws suck"
14:01	pankkake	interesting that you had the same idea
14:01	pankkake	I see that as a "Cripple Fight"
14:01	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Well, draws do suck. The solution is the bet has to fail as No, and bettors have to price accordingly for that.
14:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00083754 = 6.2816 BTC [-] {2}
14:02	pankkake	but then you can't really have a live estimate of which company sucks more
14:03	pankkake	and if both doen't ship, no winners, but lot of lols
14:03	pankkake	perhaps lols aren't worth 1% fee
14:03	mike_c	soccer (er, futbol) lines resolve 3 ways. maybe 'draw' should be a betting option.
14:03	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Well if you truly believe it is a cripple fight, the solution is bet No and wait for March 1st
14:04	pankkake	I feel like BFL will ship first, though the lols provided would be payment enough
14:06	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Well you chose the same yes side I did. I'm not sure activeminer is even as much of a thing so I placed it as no with them both not delivering hoping it might get action at least as a BFL delivery bet.
14:07	mircea_popescu	mike_c soccer sucks.
14:07	mircea_popescu	(for that reason)
14:07	pankkake	well the order website states november delivery
14:07	pankkake	so logically, VMC should ship before BFL announcing december
14:08	mike_c	well, as long as all possibilites are reasonable, it doesn't have to suck. horse races are parimutuel and have 8-12 outcomes
14:08	pankkake	MP logic "it doesn't work on my system, so it sucks"
14:10	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Well the butthurt from the ActiveMining fans that their being delivered pays as no delivery at all should lead to some entertaining butthurt, and what is Bitcoin without Butt?
14:10	pankkake	exactly
14:13	mircea_popescu	pankkake hater.
14:14	mircea_popescu	mike_c we are looking into perhaps making multi bets, it's not too hard to do, but tbh the mindfuck may be too much for the userbase.
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14:14	pankkake	I don't know if I could fix myself to be less of a hater. I regularly fail
14:14	pankkake	a good idea would probably to find out actual interesting bets that would need it
14:15	mircea_popescu	that too.
14:15	mircea_popescu	soccer still sucks, becauyse "draw" is fucking meaningless.
14:15	mircea_popescu	nevertheless, a horse race say, should have a win for each horse
14:15	mircea_popescu	just... not much horse racing in btc. since the demise of the satoshi demon gal.
14:17	mike_c	agree with the mindfuck aspect of the problem. reject/accept bet ratio could get way out of wack.
14:18	mircea_popescu	for one. for the other, i'd have a "but i meant to bet on x3, misclicked bet on x5, bitbet is a scam now" stuff
14:18	mircea_popescu	on top of all the current.
14:18	mike_c	yeah, but that just drives more traffic as far as i can tell.
14:19	mircea_popescu	so far at least.
14:19	mircea_popescu	still, you know. contrary to what the forum would have itself think, bitbet is designed to prevent as much of this as possible
14:19	pankkake	the bet address page restates the bet
14:19	mircea_popescu	which includes waiting fucking hours to close bets etc.
14:19	mircea_popescu	pankkake people never read restatements. because it's below them to do such humiliating thing.
14:20	pankkake	I always do it because I'm a careful paranoid person
14:20	mircea_popescu	makes you weird.
14:23	thestringpuller	;;ticker
14:23	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 985.0, Best ask: 986.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 985.0, 24 hour volume: 42381.76664170, 24 hour low: 894.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.96278
14:23	mircea_popescu	o wow it retraced
14:23	mircea_popescu	thanks god i didn't have a bet with anyone or anything.
14:23	ThickAsThieves	:)
14:24	mircea_popescu	lol
14:24	ThickAsThieves	i spared you
14:24	mircea_popescu	fucking bet went in with a closure date in nov 2014
14:24	ThickAsThieves	bitbet savings bank
14:25	mircea_popescu	and trust.
14:25	ThickAsThieves	indeed
14:25	mircea_popescu	trust is important.
14:25	ThickAsThieves	and forum trust points are even more important
14:26	dexX7	are there any cases that people reported scams to the feds and what happend then? pirateat40 excluded
14:26	ThickAsThieves	just stories afaik
14:26	mircea_popescu	dexX7 the only successful scam resolution that i know of,
14:26	dexX7	ty
14:26	pankkake	http://bitbet.us/bet/625/btc-will-rise-above-1500-usd-before-february/#c1921
14:26	ozbot	BitBet - BTC will rise above $1500 USD before February 2014
14:26	kakobrekla	dexX7 pirate beat his wifey and ended up in jail
14:26	mircea_popescu	is one case when a forum group organised and got avalon to deliver to them the items ordered by the scammer
14:27	dexX7	ah
14:27	mircea_popescu	(ian bakewell it was iirc)
14:27	dexX7	the guy with the socket
14:27	dexX7	yea
14:27	mircea_popescu	so you knopw, purely vigilante.
14:27	kakobrekla	i knew he was up to no good as soon as i saw HUGO shirt
14:27	ThickAsThieves	i didnt know that one
14:27	ThickAsThieves	neat
14:27	mircea_popescu	the unsuccessful case is, of course, the case of the birtcoinica people, who had their btc sent to mtgox,
14:27	mircea_popescu	which is pretty much keeping it.
14:28	mircea_popescu	well, what was left of their btc anyway, 15% or whatever it was.
14:29	kakobrekla	dont deal with hugo shit people
14:29	kakobrekla	shirt
14:29	kakobrekla	or and shit too.
14:29	mircea_popescu	what's a hugo shirt ?
14:30	kakobrekla	http://scammer-ianbakewell.com/assets/ianbakewell_sock.jpg
14:30	kakobrekla	hugo boss
14:31	mircea_popescu	uh.
14:31	mircea_popescu	that's just a tshirt
14:31	kakobrekla	the wrong kind of
14:31	pankkake	I wouldn't trust people with this shirt either
14:31	kakobrekla	pankkake has an eye.
14:31	pankkake	I don't trust people who dress in white too
14:32	pankkake	worst is white socks
14:32	nubbins`	he's actually wearing two hugo boss shirts
14:32	kakobrekla	we call people who dress like that "cefurji"
14:33	pankkake	two? that's like the multiple popped collar
14:33	mircea_popescu	pankkake white looks great on womenz.
14:33	mircea_popescu	*that aren't fat
14:33	ThickAsThieves	surely pankkake already also has women on his list
14:33	pankkake	I have a thing for women dressed in black
14:33	pankkake	but yes indeed ThickAsThieves :D
14:33	ThickAsThieves	of things not trusted
14:34	mircea_popescu	lol scammed.
14:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00084209 = 2.021 BTC [+]
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00350001 = 0.273 BTC [+] {2}
14:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.39074997 = 3.9075 BTC [+] {4}
14:41	ThickAsThieves	AM div is reportedly 0.00199664
14:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39799996 BTC [+]
14:46	ThickAsThieves	some neat alt hip hop if anyone's interested, like modest mouse rap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58euuM_hLU&feature=youtu.be
14:51	pankkake	the only hip hop I listen to is dälek, but this is nice
14:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 49 @ 0.00226 = 0.1107 BTC [-]
14:57	ThickAsThieves	listening to them now, not bad
14:57	pankkake	oh I thought you would know them already
14:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39799996 BTC [+]
14:58	kakobrekla	iirc there was some bug found in bitmessage which made the whole thing completley insecure
14:58	kakobrekla	was dat fixed?
14:59	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla iirc was not.
15:02	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: I though that was CryptoCat, I haven't heard about anything like that with BitMessage yet. I've not used Bitmessage though because the people who use it seem way too derpy.
15:03	kakobrekla	ah hm possibly
15:03	pankkake	cryptocat was broken by design
15:03	pankkake	bitmessage had a flaw I forgot which
15:03	Apocalyptic	who is using BitMessage here by the way ?
15:04	pankkake	I tried to use it, but just leaving it running used too much power
15:04	BingoBoingo	Ah, found a writeup on a bitmessage vulnerability http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/bitmessage-completely-broken-crypto/
15:05	pankkake	http://www.coindesk.com/votebox-dropbox-datashell-storage/ it's a dropbox for bitcoiners. will their business model be stealing wallet.dats?
15:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.0034326 = 0.2334 BTC [-] {2}
15:22	KRS1	i would
15:23	KRS1	shiet, its magic internet money nigga
15:25	kakobrekla	back to cleartext MSN then!
15:25	pankkake	not sure if teenager spelling is cleartext
15:26	kakobrekla	lol
15:26	kakobrekla	the thing is dead anyway
15:26	kakobrekla	merged with skype since ms has the skype keys anyway
15:26	pankkake	a part of my childhood, killed by the evil empire
15:27	kakobrekla	i used that thing but i was on irc way before
15:27	pankkake	hmm that too, but msn was mostly for normal people
15:27	pankkake	and well girls
15:27	kakobrekla	even when i didnt even have a computer at home
15:28	kakobrekla	i was in the library
15:28	nubbins`	i was i think 13 when i discovered irc
15:28	kakobrekla	on irc
15:28	nubbins`	maybe 14
15:28	kakobrekla	as long as quota allowed
15:29	mircea_popescu	girls were on irc...
15:29	mircea_popescu	boys used to play golden axe and deathtrack
15:29	mircea_popescu	and girls used to irc.
15:29	kakobrekla	the lib was a good place to pick up girls though
15:29	pankkake	yeah, actually some girls were on irc
15:29	kakobrekla	not the irc
15:29	pankkake	and cute ones too
15:30	mircea_popescu	well, at that age all girls are cute.
15:30	kakobrekla	i admint, i found the current one on irc.
15:30	kakobrekla	admit
15:30	kakobrekla	minnum
15:30	kakobrekla	mininum
15:31	kakobrekla	cant even spell the mis-spell
15:31	Sebastan	is the purpose of this chatroom to get informed about trades of securities that paid for being tracked here?
15:31	kakobrekla	and sex education
15:31	pankkake	I think exchanges close before they can implement assbot communication
15:32	nubbins`	Sebastan: i'm not sure anyone pays
15:32	kakobrekla	pankkake yet it only takes a minute.
15:32	Sebastan	so at the end its a chat loosely speaking about bitcoin securities?
15:32	pankkake	and personal insecurities
15:32	kakobrekla	you dont have to say it like you sound dissapointed
15:33	Sebastan	:)
15:33	pankkake	if you're looking for trades theres #bitcoin-assets-trades
15:33	lyspooner	but we do speak loosely
15:33	kakobrekla	best way to find out is to stay around and see, also check the log!
15:33	nubbins`	^
15:33	Sebastan	ok...
15:34	kakobrekla	follow the links in the topic
15:34	kakobrekla	speaking of topic
15:35	nubbins`	;;ticker
15:35	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1034.1, Best ask: 1039.5, Bid-ask spread: 5.40000, Last trade: 1039.5, 24 hour volume: 37177.24309324, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 984.54527
15:35	Apocalyptic	kako is no longer a shill
15:35	mircea_popescu	Sebastan it's the smoking lounge the nyse wishes it had, basically.
15:35	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic he got fired. his shilling sucked.
15:35	Apocalyptic	heh
15:35	kakobrekla	now i just fwd emails to mp
15:36	lyspooner	what is firstblockchain.com? do they have company polo shirts? stress balls?
15:36	nubbins`	i don't think it's called a stress ball if you sit on it
15:36	pankkake	if any of you tinfoil hats use openbsd, you can now donate to them with bitcoin
15:36	nubbins`	orly!
15:36	mircea_popescu	lyspooner guy was by earlier.
15:37	lyspooner	should i read the log or did you just make fun of him?
15:37	nubbins`	"OpenBSD: Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!"
15:38	kakobrekla	"Never ever hacked. ~ A block of granit"
15:38	mircea_popescu	lyspooner he said nothing.
15:38	lyspooner	i can see that it's incorporated in the blockchain, but i can't see what it does
15:39	dub	"*BSD: just slam your dick in a door a few times then install debian"
15:40	nubbins`	hahaha
15:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.03210208 = 0.1926 BTC [-] {2}
15:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.03104832 = 1.4903 BTC [-] {5}
15:43	BingoBoingo	I too once had a stateless corporation, until I opened the box and its state was revealed to as dead. Or maybe it was a cat...
15:43	mircea_popescu	a catporation
15:44	lyspooner	catpooration
15:44	lyspooner	how about proof of existence... is that a nice thing?
15:45	lyspooner	like, the website, not the proof that one exists
15:46	lyspooner	or how about a more general questions for the group here: are there any bitcoin companies that use the blockchain in unique ways and produce revenue, other than provably fair casinos or notarial services?
15:46	mircea_popescu	provably fair gambling is so far the most notable practical use of the blockchain.
15:47	lyspooner	can't we extend provable fairness elsewhere and make money?
15:47	mircea_popescu	if you do i'll list you.
15:48	lyspooner	cool, i like your style
15:48	lyspooner	but i'm not nearly that clever
15:49	mircea_popescu	there MAY be some use of the blockchain to force distribution of inheritances according to the will of the deceased and without possibility of taxation or other interference
15:50	kakobrekla	so with the recent update in btc price, .bit tld seems plausible
15:50	kakobrekla	this was discussed before
15:50	kakobrekla	nothing happend
15:50	mircea_popescu	maybe using something like http://trilema.com/2013/the-perfect-escrow/ or maybe something else
15:51	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla isn't that what namecoin is all about ?
15:51	kakobrekla	yeah but who is going to use that
15:51	kakobrekla	:D
15:51	mircea_popescu	lol
15:51	kakobrekla	you can sell sex.bit for millions allover again
15:52	mircea_popescu	it only costs like 1k btc to buy the tld iirc.
15:52	kakobrekla	yup
15:52	kakobrekla	or was it 10?
15:52	kakobrekla	well 1 or 10
15:52	mircea_popescu	lol. that may be a business idea, i recall we discussed it earlier this year
15:52	kakobrekla	yes it was discussed
15:52	mircea_popescu	back when btc was 100 or w/e
15:52	kakobrekla	it stuck in my mind a bit.
15:53	kakobrekla	see what i did there, pun
15:53	mircea_popescu	lol
15:53	TomServo	Speaking of tlds, what was with the latest batch? .plumbing? really?
15:53	mircea_popescu	TomServo what seriously ? lmao
15:53	kakobrekla	sex.plumbing
15:53	kakobrekla	works
15:53	mircea_popescu	why do you keep wanting to sell sex ?
15:53	TomServo	could probably have some fun with them but... wtf
15:53	TomServo	justthe.tips
15:53	kakobrekla	its the famous domain
15:53	mircea_popescu	anal.plumbing would be a much better domain
15:53	kakobrekla	that got sold and resold etc
15:54	mircea_popescu	and stolen and drama.
15:54	kakobrekla	you catch my drift.
15:54	ThickAsThieves	snakesarefor.plumbing
15:54	mircea_popescu	personally i doubt a new tld is worth the money, but hey.
15:55	mircea_popescu	maybe you manage to sell 100k domains for .01 each or so
15:55	ThickAsThieves	yeah once you can have all of them, they are all worthless
15:55	ThickAsThieves	well, not worthless
15:55	ThickAsThieves	but yknow
15:55	Venat	bit4x, such money. much earn, believe its bitcoin. many currency, so fair. wow
15:55	mircea_popescu	Venat turn the english on
15:55	ThickAsThieves	lol
15:55	ThickAsThieves	he's Google
15:55	mircea_popescu	pankkake “I’m thinking of selling
15:55	ThickAsThieves	tryibng to communicat ewith us
15:55	mircea_popescu	pankkake “I’m thinking of selling 10,000 ActM shares for 0.0019 and buying LC @ 0.0007 for 27,142 shares.”
15:56	mircea_popescu	disregard the quotes. he really means it.
15:56	ThickAsThieves	scambitrage
15:56	mircea_popescu	scam-bit-rage.
15:57	ThickAsThieves	ltc won't stop
15:57	ThickAsThieves	.0327
15:58	ThickAsThieves	$31
15:58	ThickAsThieves	you can go on a cheap date for 1 LTC
15:59	lyspooner	i can't go on a cheap date for 1 BTC
15:59	kakobrekla	happy meal at mcdonalds?
15:59	mircea_popescu	ltc has no central bank. it shall suffar the fate of free markets. boom an' boost.
15:59	ThickAsThieves	maybe the cinema?
15:59	mircea_popescu	lyspooner you must be doing something wrong then
15:59	ThickAsThieves	or a bj?
16:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 305 @ 0.00187 = 0.5704 BTC [-] {3}
16:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.38998569 = 2.7299 BTC [-] {4}
16:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00377446 = 0.3774 BTC [+] {8}
16:22	mircea_popescu	;;tslb
16:22	gribble	Time since last block: 8 minutes and 13 seconds
16:23	mircea_popescu	like 7 blocks past half hour
16:23	mircea_popescu	.d
16:23	ozbot	609482679.88835 | Next Diff in 334 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.1735% in 2d 0h 9m 2s
16:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00186571 = 0.7873 BTC [-] {3}
16:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.031 = 0.62 BTC [-] {2}
16:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 466 @ 0.00183469 = 0.855 BTC [-] {3}
16:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37520002 BTC [-]
16:28	Venat	wow, such difficulty
16:28	dub	used to be about US$100k for 1ld iirc
16:29	dub	needs vetted by some cadre of policy wonks tho
16:29	dub	no .nig for you mp
16:30	kakobrekla	lol
16:30	mircea_popescu	i'll probably buy a tesla before i buy domains. seems beyond retarded to me
16:30	dub	.nggr
16:30	mircea_popescu	(recall, i'm the guy that ran bitcoin's premier stock exchange as a subdir for years)
16:30	dub	whitehouse.nggr
16:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0236 = 0.2596 BTC [-]
16:30	mircea_popescu	sex.colored-person
16:31	dub	mpex.bbw
16:31	mircea_popescu	dub.dub
16:31	mircea_popescu	that's aesthetically appealing
16:31	mircea_popescu	you should get it and make yourself a biz card reading
16:31	mircea_popescu	dub.dub
16:31	dub	rollin.on.dub
16:32	pankkake	the u's aren't symetrical, it bothers me
16:32	kakobrekla	22:30.55 ( mircea_popescu ) sex.colored-person
16:32	kakobrekla	ilold
16:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521 BTC [+]
16:33	pankkake	the weirdest tld is .xxx. it's like having a .internet
16:34	dub	yeah
16:34	dub	.tube would probably be a winner
16:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521001 BTC [+]
16:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521 BTC [-]
16:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2506 @ 0.00084082 = 2.1071 BTC [-]
16:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009504 = 0.1901 BTC [+] {8}
16:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0003 = 0.3 BTC [-]
16:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.21 = 0.84 BTC [+]
16:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 33 @ 0.14858958 = 4.9035 BTC [-] {9}
16:56	thestringpuller	http://i.imgur.com/4Iu2xfa.gif
16:56	ThickAsThieves	another problem with telling people socially you dabble in bitcoin, seeing them all again on Thanksgiving
16:57	jborkl	I don't tell anyone at all
16:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-]
16:57	jborkl	except yous guys
16:57	ThickAsThieves	so if they know you dabbled when i was $100
16:58	ThickAsThieves	they of course will ask "Are you rich?"
16:58	ThickAsThieves	it's $1000 now!
16:58	mike_c	tell them you lost on jd
16:58	mike_c	!jd
16:58	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 8557 BTC profit, 50.8k BTC invested, 298.84 mio bets, 4.54 mio BTC wagered
16:58	ThickAsThieves	tell family you gambled away bitcoin riches?
16:58	pankkake	sadly ×10 of not much is not much
16:58	mike_c	they will stop seeing you as a resource.
16:59	ThickAsThieves	hmm
16:59	ThickAsThieves	cant tell the father in law such tho
16:59	mike_c	ah. touche.
17:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 38 @ 0.10745351 = 4.0832 BTC [-] {10}
17:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 27.85312800 BTC to 13`950 shares, 199664 satoshi per share
17:01	mircea_popescu	hookers and blow ?
17:01	mike_c	then he'll be mad he didn't get any.
17:01	ThickAsThieves	strippers, he might understand :)
17:02	thestringpuller	anyone know anything about coinapult?
17:02	thestringpuller	how come no coinapult associates are ever in this channel?
17:02	mike_c	coinapult is by somebody famous.
17:02	mike_c	racking brain..
17:02	ThickAsThieves	evoorhees
17:02	mike_c	oh yeah :)
17:03	ThickAsThieves	mjr works there
17:03	ThickAsThieves	he's in here sometimes
17:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 6.35923722 BTC to 335`226 shares, 1897 satoshi per share
17:04	mircea_popescu	somehow that thing never got anywhere
17:04	ThickAsThieves	i'm not sur ethey gave up yet
17:05	ThickAsThieves	whaddaya know: http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/27/5152566/ge-3d-printing-day-4chans-moot-builds-webcam-spy-block
17:05	ThickAsThieves	for kako
17:06	pankkake	webcams are supposed to have a led when they're on
17:06	pankkake	but I think you can control it for some
17:07	kakobrekla	you can also not have a cam
17:07	kakobrekla	cause now its just more stuff i must have
17:07	pankkake	I have a cam, but it's filming my doorway
17:07	kakobrekla	less is better
17:07	pankkake	spy on that, nsa
17:07	kakobrekla	why else would i delete all my btc
17:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5125 @ 0.00169455 = 8.6846 BTC [-] {22}
17:10	dub	isn't it hearn or somesuch scumbag
17:10	dub	oh hey, buffer
17:10	ThickAsThieves	is what hearn?
17:10	dub	coinapault
17:11	ThickAsThieves	oh
17:11	ThickAsThieves	hmm
17:11	dub	but I see its worse
17:11	ThickAsThieves	word
17:11	thestringpuller	i still use coinapult to send coins to n00bs
17:12	thestringpuller	since setting up a wallet is sooooooo hard
17:12	dub	good lukc buying a lappy without cam btw
17:12	kakobrekla	my x220 doesnt have one
17:12	dub	wat
17:12	kakobrekla	yep
17:12	dub	mine does
17:12	kakobrekla	u liek nsa
17:12	pankkake	they hid it from you kakobrekla
17:12	dub	<3 nsa
17:12	pankkake	you just don't know where it is
17:13	pankkake	pics on the internet show a com on x220
17:13	ThickAsThieves	two-way plastic
17:13	kakobrekla	i think it has to do with the wifi card dub
17:13	pankkake	oh, an option?
17:13	kakobrekla	i got the one which has some moar antennas up there
17:13	pankkake	and that removes the cam. good to know
17:13	dub	mine has wifi and 3G/LTE antenna up thurr
17:13	kakobrekla	which nic
17:14	dub	face it yours isi bootleg eastyurope version
17:14	kakobrekla	lol
17:14	dub	idk, its not here
17:14	kakobrekla	i had the option of cam and crappier wifi
17:14	dub	corporate t430s has one though
17:14	kakobrekla	but im not a camwhore and i need signal
17:14	dub	security tards and NSA watching me jerkit
17:14	kakobrekla	mine also has IPS
17:14	kakobrekla	:p
17:15	dub	that might be a diff
17:15	dub	idk if mine is ips, don't think so
17:15	mircea_popescu	you gotta has ips
17:16	mircea_popescu	tyo connect to the internet.
17:16	dub	mrsdub has baller dell IPS
17:16	dub	for fotoshopping selfies
17:17	dub	its pretty nice to look at
17:18	kakobrekla	as far as i can see its about 3x3 antenna
17:18	kakobrekla	that disallows the camwhoring
17:19	dub	instead it broadcasts RF imaging signal to get 3d radar of you jerking
17:20	kakobrekla	yeah im fine with rf imaging.
17:21	dub	they can't tell that you're using sandpaper instead of lube
17:22	kakobrekla	sandpaper is for pussies.
17:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5166 @ 0.00084082 = 4.3437 BTC [-]
17:24	dub	https://twitter.com/JournalistsLike/status/405763467698638848/photo/1
17:24	ozbot	Twitter / JournalistsLike: Best firefighter name. Ever. ...
17:24	dub	mp should change name to McCoiny
17:25	kakobrekla	les means wood here
17:25	kakobrekla	extra cherry on top
17:25	dub	wow
17:26	mircea_popescu	mcoiny is kinda corny.
17:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02329899 = 0.2097 BTC [-]
17:30	sn00py	hey guys
17:31	ThickAsThieves	hello sn00py
17:31	mircea_popescu	hi
17:31	sn00py	i have a question
17:33	pankkake	state it, good sir
17:33	kakobrekla	how you sure he is good?
17:34	kakobrekla	might be evil.
17:34	ThickAsThieves	state it, soon-to-be-judged sir
17:34	kakobrekla	more apropriate
17:34	pankkake	indeed, anyone using webchat is evil
17:34	mircea_popescu	or a girl.
17:35	kakobrekla	NO GIRELS ON IRC
17:35	sn00py	im new to all bitcoin stuff and im thinking about investing in some type of coin is there a website that you can buy and sell or trade different type of coins?
17:35	mircea_popescu	girels lol.
17:35	mircea_popescu	sn00py listen, if you're new you should be reading not investing.
17:35	sn00py	i been reading just asking lol
17:36	kakobrekla	different types of coins? colored coins?
17:36	lyspooner	sn00py, don't invest in a coin, embrace a coin
17:36	mircea_popescu	there are coins you can get, most of which aren't worth it.
17:36	lyspooner	like, actually know it and love it and never want to sell it
17:36	mircea_popescu	there are securities you can buy, most of which niot worth it
17:36	mircea_popescu	etc
17:36	dub	speaking of jacking it, just noticed the 12 hours of peepeecoin mining I did is now worth 200btc
17:37	mircea_popescu	dub buy a car, crash it into another car, pay in bt
17:37	mircea_popescu	c
17:37	dub	who said alt coins where stoopid
17:37	mircea_popescu	you did...
17:38	mircea_popescu	http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3538047&cid=43149645
17:38	ozbot	Bitcoin Blockchain Forked By Backward-Compatibility Issue - Slashdot
17:38	mircea_popescu	gotta love slashdot.
17:38	mircea_popescu	"I really wonder if my Bitcoins will be worth anything in a few years."
17:38	pankkake	ppcoin 15% more profitable to mine than btc. something doesn't sound right
17:39	kakobrekla	such things happen all the time pankkake it just does not last
17:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.3601 = 10.0828 BTC [-] {2}
17:39	dub	blame fontas
17:39	pankkake	I've seen it happen but not as much
17:40	sn00py	oh ok ill just keep researching lol
17:40	pankkake	in a few years we'll separate people who say my bitcoin from people who say my bitcoins
17:40	mircea_popescu	"That value will probably be the cost of the electricity to run whatever the last ASIC miner produced is, at least before general purpose GPUs become more powerful than ASICs."
17:41	mircea_popescu	incredibly insightful. you ppl should read slashdot more often
17:41	dub	dood
17:41	pankkake	it used to be better (yeah, get off my lawn)
17:41	dub	slash is hte asshole of the avg internet commenters asshole
17:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.361 = 0.722 BTC [+]
17:43	mircea_popescu	dub at least it's not reddit.
17:43	pankkake	reddit tells you everyone's opinion is interesting
17:43	dub	the only reddit I read is r/spacedicks
17:43	pankkake	including yours
17:44	mircea_popescu	i thought reddit tells you what gifs someone made
17:44	mircea_popescu	"made" = assembled out of stolen bits they didn't understand.
17:44	pankkake	typical reddit submission is "my daughter made this" (obvious stolen content)
17:45	pankkake	I like http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplestories
17:45	ThickAsThieves	here's a nice one from reddit
17:45	ThickAsThieves	After the April crash, I bet a friend $1,000.00 that Bitcoin would be worth $1,000.00 before December 31, 2013.
17:45	ThickAsThieves	rather than buy $1000 of bitcoin?!
17:46	lyspooner	perhaps the person was already suitably long bitcoin
17:46	pankkake	buy a bitcoin with it, give it to the friend
17:46	ThickAsThieves	"In 2011 I got back from iraq with more than 40k saved up from both my bonus and unspent pay. I went homeless after dumping everything I had into bittcoins, and today I am a millionaire."
17:47	ThickAsThieves	lol
17:47	kakobrekla	damn wences was right
17:47	kakobrekla	i would have lost my bet
17:48	pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincirclejerk
17:48	ozbot	Bitcoin circlejerk
17:49	mircea_popescu	ok, bitbet update : we had a crash on the systems doing payments.
17:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3255 @ 0.00025952 = 0.8447 BTC [-] {15}
17:49	pankkake	scam
17:49	mircea_popescu	this is why some payments have been delayed. nothing is lost etcetc.
17:49	ThickAsThieves	lol pankkake
17:49	ThickAsThieves	good link
17:49	mircea_popescu	cpu burned. had it replaced. txn should be broadcasting within an hour or so.
17:50	ThickAsThieves	do you have mice in your servers?
17:50	pankkake	cpu burned? labcoin had better excuses
17:50	pankkake	like "pool isn't asic ready"
17:50	ThickAsThieves	I mumbled something about bitcoin to flirt with a checkout lady 4 years ago. She didn't trust me but they all invested $10,000. Today I went in to find they are all billionaires and I crowd surfed the workers around the store.
17:50	ThickAsThieves	lol
17:50	mircea_popescu	pankkake yes, it burned. with the fan still attached and spinning
17:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35861774 = 1.7931 BTC [-] {4}
17:52	pankkake	you must have crappy power or something with all those issues
17:52	ThickAsThieves	needs moar solar
17:52	mircea_popescu	this was a payment computor.
17:52	mircea_popescu	it's on a diff continent.
17:53	mircea_popescu	can you have personally bad power on separate landmasses ?
17:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 487 @ 0.00029998 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {2}
17:53	ThickAsThieves	you cant personally have anything you dont personally have
17:53	pankkake	it's not impossible
17:53	mircea_popescu	i like to think it's just because i own/run so much equipment that statistically this is "normal"
17:54	ThickAsThieves	did they send pics?
17:54	ThickAsThieves	maybe they are scamming you
17:54	dub	http://www.communityrun.org/petitions/petition-to-the-global-nwo-government-to-increase-chemtrail-spraying
17:54	ozbot	Petition to the Global NWO Government to Increase Chemtrail Spraying | CommunityRun
17:54	mircea_popescu	what of, an old cpu ?
17:54	ThickAsThieves	a crispy CPU
17:54	dub	better comments within
17:54	mircea_popescu	dub community run pancakes!!
17:55	pankkake	reports from hosters always felt fishy to me. like "we replaced the motherboard" but the shit is still crashing
17:55	mircea_popescu	not a hoster tho.
17:56	TomServo	Was that the last non-virtualized webserver?
17:57	mircea_popescu	it's not even a webserver.
17:57	mircea_popescu	my my assets is becoming popular these days. hello Mr_Steve
17:57	Mr_Steve	hello
17:58	Mr_Steve	I was wondering if a bet has paid out yet
17:58	ThickAsThieves	how many are we atm?
17:58	Mr_Steve	http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/
17:58	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
17:58	ThickAsThieves	lol bitbet is the best referrer for this chan
17:58	mircea_popescu	Mr_Steve i just made an update re that. it's not, should be ~1 hr
17:58	Mr_Steve	Answered my own question, thank you lol
17:59	Mr_Steve	before i even asked it too!
17:59	mircea_popescu	hello dimitriyremerov
18:00	mircea_popescu	"A cryptographic currency system needs to be secure regardless of how it is implemented"
18:00	mircea_popescu	dude this is beyond great
18:00	thestringpuller	?
18:00	thestringpuller	what are you reading?
18:00	mircea_popescu	i want slashdot to run the internet nao pls.
18:00	mircea_popescu	http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3538047&cid=43148717
18:00	ozbot	Bitcoin Blockchain Forked By Backward-Compatibility Issue - Slashdot
18:01	deadweas1l	LOL
18:01	deadweas1l	good ol /.
18:03	dimitriyremerov	mircea_popescu: hello, but for new I prefer just to read, because I'm new and I want more knowledge before I consider myself as ready for talking.
18:03	ThickAsThieves	i have a new cryptographic implementation: send me all your bitcoins
18:03	mircea_popescu	spoken like a wise man.
18:03	mircea_popescu	log.bitcoin-assets.com if you get done with the live log.
18:04	dimitriyremerov	thanks
18:04	lewicki	tat, think the neo pr will be out tonight?
18:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6689 @ 0.00147996 = 9.8995 BTC [-] {13}
18:06	ThickAsThieves	unlikely, it's midnight in Cyprus
18:06	lewicki	kk
18:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 294 @ 0.0034597 = 1.0172 BTC [-] {15}
18:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1069 @ 0.00341585 = 3.6515 BTC [-] {4}
18:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.01812296 = 0.9061 BTC [-] {12}
18:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 254 @ 0.003411 = 0.8664 BTC [-] {3}
18:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.10142857 = 1.42 BTC [-] {3}
18:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.003411 = 0.6617 BTC [-] {2}
18:16	thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rjluc/after_explaining_bitcoin_and_how_i_didnt_buy/ - gold
18:16	thestringpuller	the first comment that is
18:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 44 @ 0.01150001 = 0.506 BTC [-] {3}
18:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 2078 @ 0.00006162 = 0.128 BTC [-] {10}
18:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1006 @ 0.00022002 = 0.2213 BTC [-] {4}
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18:50	Bugpowder	YAWN
18:50	Bugpowder	Another day another $150 gain
18:51	Diablo-D3	;;ticker
18:51	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1080.01001, Best ask: 1094.794, Bid-ask spread: 14.78399, Last trade: 1080.01001, 24 hour volume: 37060.78677051, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 999.4886
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [+]
18:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.003411 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {3}
19:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3529 BTC [-]
19:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3529 BTC [-]
19:12	thestringpuller	Bugpowder: what's the action? WHAT'S THE HUSTLE?!?
19:12	Bugpowder	Lock coins in safe deposit box. Chill for 5 years. Avoid Fontas.
19:16	Bugpowder	nobody is hanging out :(
19:16	Bugpowder	so bored
19:16	Bugpowder	on plane to LAX
19:16	Bugpowder	forgot headphones
19:17	truffles	kinda screwed now eh
19:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.353 BTC [+]
19:21	Bugpowder	time to get MOAR vodka
19:21	Bugpowder	We need streaming video on planes
19:21	truffles	:)
19:22	Bugpowder	Although I snuck a peek a gogoinflights actual bandwidth costs… 11c / MB
19:24	nubbins`	dont get too drunk
19:25	dub	don't fap to HD pr0ns
19:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.34953884 = 3.4954 BTC [-] {9}
19:30	dub	blowjobs save lives
19:30	dub	http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21034983
19:30	ozbot	Tongue Pierce Lets the Paralyzed Drive Wheelchairs - ABC News
19:31	dub	or muffdiving or whatever teh primary driver for tongue piercing was
19:32	Bugpowder	My homie just had dinner with Elon… Gotta pitch him on accepting bitcoin.
19:34	dub	who?
19:34	dub	google yeilds WoW char rankings
19:35	nubbins`	i think the primary driver was "leel look at me"
19:35	Bugpowder	wha?
19:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34254 = 1.0276 BTC [-] {2}
19:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34241 BTC [-]
19:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34240501 = 0.6848 BTC [-] {2}
19:44	dub	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtlxIcN_tAM
19:44	ozbot	Thingstarter: iNotRacist - YouTube
19:45	ThickAsThieves	lol ltc rallying more
19:46	ThickAsThieves	$37.62
19:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.34215679 = 9.5804 BTC [-] {3}
19:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34 = 1.36 BTC [-]
19:48	TomServo	the hell you say
19:49	TomServo	ha, and still going!
19:49	Bugpowder	I am a litecoin hater because I sold 5000 3 months ago.
19:49	Bugpowder	doh!
19:49	ThickAsThieves	you'd hate me for how many we held
19:51	Bugpowder	Also sold a shitload of namecoins
19:51	Bugpowder	I've decided that trading coins is not worth it though
19:51	ThickAsThieves	cuz j-d is better?
19:51	Bugpowder	should just build a real business on bitcoin and get actually rich
19:51	dexX7	holding litecoin over the last weeks would have cost you probably a lot of nerves anyway
19:51	Bugpowder	owning JD is definitely better
19:52	ThickAsThieves	dexx7, we came close to selling several times
19:52	Bugpowder	Look! A money printer
19:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.3401 = 3.0609 BTC [+]
19:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.1001 = 0.3003 BTC [-]
19:52	ThickAsThieves	partner talked me out of it at one point
19:52	ThickAsThieves	then i turned into a buyer
19:52	dexX7	hehe
19:52	dexX7	nice
19:52	ThickAsThieves	.04btc
19:53	dexX7	almost ath
19:54	dexX7	if you are interested in ltc/eur/usd, you may take a look at kraken, it's usually higher than btc-e
19:55	ThickAsThieves	thx
19:55	ThickAsThieves	kraken has fancy AJAX
19:56	ThickAsThieves	or such
19:56	dexX7	yea, i think it's nice, but i never used it
19:58	thestringpuller	Bugpowder Bugpowder Bugpowder !
19:58	thestringpuller	(does that still work)
19:59	Bugpowder	yes
19:59	Bugpowder	what ever happened to smickles
19:59	thestringpuller	;;;seen smickles
19:59	gribble	Error: ";seen" is not a valid command.
19:59	thestringpuller	;;seen smickles
19:59	gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <smickles> wtf bet on the price rising rather than buying more or buying an option (or similar)
19:59	thestringpuller	I think he died
19:59	thestringpuller	jk
19:59	thestringpuller	he got 3 kids
19:59	thestringpuller	stay at home dad
19:59	ThickAsThieves	he was only around for like 3 weeks this year
19:59	thestringpuller	aint no one got time for irc when you got 3 kids
19:59	ThickAsThieves	quite legendary to have people still asking where he is
20:00	Bugpowder	yeah, but… stay at home dad is like the perfect job for the bitcoin enthusiast
20:00	ThickAsThieves	rite
20:00	thestringpuller	not when you got 3 kids
20:00	thestringpuller	and diapers to change
20:00	thestringpuller	you must not have any kids Bugpowder
20:00	kakobrekla	get a maid to do that
20:00	kakobrekla	and fuck her while she is at it
20:00	kakobrekla	no?
20:00	Bugpowder	I have 1.5 kids
20:00	thestringpuller	wait it that mircea_popescu ?
20:00	Bugpowder	we have hired help
20:00	thestringpuller	i'm pretty sure mircea_popescu just spoke through kakobrekla
20:01	thestringpuller	1.5 kids? One kid is a step kid?
20:01	Bugpowder	-4 months old
20:01	thestringpuller	OH
20:01	thestringpuller	heh
20:01	thestringpuller	kid on the way
20:02	thestringpuller	and you're sitting here betting away their college fund on JD
20:02	thestringpuller	!jd
20:02	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 8547 BTC profit, 50.8k BTC invested, 299.37 mio bets, 4.54 mio BTC wagered
20:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8876 @ 0.00007787 = 0.6912 BTC [-] {9}
20:03	Bugpowder	LTC CRASH
20:03	kakobrekla	are there any realtime charts of this thing
20:04	Bugpowder	bitcoinwisdom yo
20:04	Bugpowder	they have realtime charts of EVERYTHING
20:04	Bugpowder	even stuff they don't link to they have, like PPCBTC on BTCE
20:04	kakobrekla	ok
20:04	thestringpuller	is bitcoinity not the realtime goto anymore?
20:04	Bugpowder	nahhh
20:04	Bugpowder	never was
20:05	Bugpowder	bitcoinwisdom is by far the best
20:05	Bugpowder	feed is always fast
20:05	thestringpuller	oh shit
20:05	thestringpuller	this thing is siiiick
20:05	thestringpuller	how did I never know about this?
20:05	Bugpowder	for gox walls, http://trading.i286.org
20:05	Bugpowder	cause U ain't da Bug
20:05	thestringpuller	but seriously .1 for 1 year?
20:05	thestringpuller	.1 btc*
20:06	Bugpowder	huh?
20:06	Bugpowder	its free
20:06	kakobrekla	yeah i got the i286 guy on irc
20:06	kakobrekla	cool stuff that
20:06	thestringpuller	for premium (no ads)
20:06	thestringpuller	lol
20:06	Mr_Steve	anyone receive their payout from this bet yet: http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/
20:07	Bugpowder	OH I WANTED TO BET 100BTC ON THAT LET ME SEND IT IN REIGHT NOW
20:07	thestringpuller	Bugpowder i bet you're the guy behind the superbowl coin toss bet
20:07	Bugpowder	hehe
20:07	Bugpowder	that is a good strategy
20:07	Bugpowder	but I am not
20:07	Bugpowder	I wouldn't tie up that many coins like that
20:08	thestringpuller	When da fuq are the arbritageurs going to equalize the market?
20:08	Bugpowder	Its hard moving money dude
20:08	Bugpowder	I'm shocked at the btcchina spread reversal
20:08	kakobrekla	Mr_Steve give it some time, its not automatic
20:08	Bugpowder	it it were easy to move fiat, we wouldn't need bitcoin.
20:08	Mr_Steve	oh ok, i thought it was...
20:08	thestringpuller	yea but isn't that why you have brokers in all the countries
20:09	thestringpuller	so you can run arbritrage without physically moving money?
20:10	thestringpuller	before mtgox fucked up their relationship with Dwolla, I used to run arbritrage through dwolla to various exchanges...
20:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 159 @ 0.30649671 = 48.733 BTC [-] {31}
20:13	Bugpowder	so you were moving fiat via dwolla.
20:13	Bugpowder	If fiat was as easy to move as bitcoin, then this would work. But if fiat were as easy to move as bitcoin, this spread would not exist. In fact, if fiat were as easy to move as bitcoin, bitcoin would not exist.
20:13	Bugpowder	You need to think carefully about tax liabilities, anti-money laundering compliance, counterparty risk and relationship building with exchange owners and banks in multiple countries.
20:13	Bugpowder	It's not a game for the modestly capitalized, the under-lawyered, or the dilettante. Since nearly everyone in bitcoin falls into one of those categories, the spreads remain.
20:14	thestringpuller	they always seem to close though :P
20:14	thestringpuller	eventuaaally
20:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 558 @ 0.00341163 = 1.9037 BTC [-] {5}
20:14	Bugpowder	that is probably due to market sentiment, which like all memes, is propagated by language and pictures
20:15	Bugpowder	This site is pretty good for visualizing the arb spread. http://www.coinorama.net
20:16	nubbins`	you guys know any true ballers who collect rare coins?
20:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00330101 = 0.3301 BTC [-] {2}
20:16	Bugpowder	define try balla
20:16	Bugpowder	true baller
20:17	Bugpowder	3 more hours on this fucking plane
20:18	Bugpowder	Freaking monster wall at 1000 on stamp
20:18	Bugpowder	jesus
20:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.003301 = 0.8253 BTC [-] {4}
20:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00122001 = 0.122 BTC [-] {3}
20:18	kakobrekla	flying on 10k feet , drinking whiskey, smoking a cigar, browsing porn
20:18	kakobrekla	LIFE SUCKS!
20:19	Bugpowder	36k feet
20:19	Bugpowder	drinking vodka
20:19	kakobrekla	whatever we use meters here
20:19	nubbins`	Bugpowder: like, true baller
20:19	Bugpowder	and I gota pee
20:19	nubbins`	people who aren't afraid to spend double-digit amounts of coin
20:19	kakobrekla	lolwat double digit
20:20	Bugpowder	Like $400,000 a year working Wall Street stiff flying first class and being comfortable baller?
20:20	nubbins`	yeah
20:20	nubbins`	that kinda baller
20:20	Bugpowder	Or liquid? Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars?
20:20	copumpkin	:O
20:20	nubbins`	i got a casascius coin, mintage of only 45
20:20	nubbins`	asking 10 btc
20:20	Bugpowder	I think the former is not a baller
20:20	nubbins`	that kinda baller
20:21	Bugpowder	the latter is a bller
20:21	Bugpowder	baller
20:21	Bugpowder	LIke the first one is more like, stressed out about his mortgage payment baller
20:21	Bugpowder	on his 3 bedroom co-op
20:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 8 @ 0.050375 = 0.403 BTC [-] {2}
20:21	nubbins`	nod
20:21	nubbins`	probs still wastes a lotta money tho
20:22	nubbins`	especially when a rare opportunity presents itself
20:22	Bugpowder	Where the later is like, Check out these doubloons I plundered from a spanish shipwreck
20:22	copumpkin	Bugpowder: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/24092-i-make-1mmyr-and-i-feel-like-im-middle-class
20:22	Bugpowder	which coin?
20:22	nubbins`	2013 0.5 silver, series 2 holo
20:22	nubbins`	lowest mintage of any sub-500 btc coin
20:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 20 @ 0.02125 = 0.425 BTC [-] {3}
20:23	kakobrekla	just give those aways
20:23	kakobrekla	brass, guaranteed.
20:23	kakobrekla	who gives a shit
20:24	nubbins`	comes with a pgp-signed chain of custody too, natch
20:24	nubbins`	no buying coins from alibaba
20:24	Bugpowder	lol
20:24	Bugpowder	I discovered I have a few of the series 1 errors
20:24	Bugpowder	whee
20:24	nubbins`	yeah, i've got one of those too
20:24	Bugpowder	got 1.5 rolls of the 2013s
20:25	Bugpowder	and a 2011 25 piece
20:25	nubbins`	almost bought a 25, wish i had
20:25	Bugpowder	Goat has quite the collection tho
20:25	Bugpowder	jesus
20:25	nubbins`	nod
20:25	nubbins`	goat has 12 of these rare ones that i'm selling
20:25	nubbins`	i had 12, now only 6
20:25	Bugpowder	he's got an unopened 1000BTC gold
20:25	nubbins`	not anymore
20:25	nubbins`	he sold it
20:25	Bugpowder	oh?
20:25	Bugpowder	how much?
20:25	nubbins`	for $1mn
20:25	truffles	i feel like duecescracked is showing off
20:25	nubbins`	in gold and cash
20:26	nubbins`	buyer already has realized a profit
20:26	Bugpowder	When people talk about how bitcoin is fucked up because early adopters get rich, I think of Goat, and I nod my head yes.
20:26	nubbins`	haha
20:26	nubbins`	nah, he spends lots
20:26	nubbins`	keeps the btc circulating
20:27	truffles	where is goat?
20:27	truffles	i like his energy :D
20:27	nubbins`	right now or in general?
20:27	nubbins`	ah
20:27	nubbins`	;;seen chaang-noi
20:27	gribble	chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 14 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> 420, so who is lighting up in celibration? :)
20:27	nubbins`	;;seen chaangnoi
20:27	gribble	chaangnoi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <ChaangNoi> i was not even here lol
20:27	truffles	he must be blazing it up at 1k then lol
20:27	nubbins`	^ heh i remember 420
20:27	nubbins`	vaguely
20:28	Bugpowder	LTC continuing its crash
20:28	nubbins`	anyway, i know eventually i'll sell these coins, but the market is so thin
20:29	Bugpowder	I'm just putting my stack of coins in a safe deposit box. Thus I will always have 110BTC that is such a pain in the ass to sell I won't do it.
20:29	Bugpowder	nice little insurance policy.
20:29	nubbins`	i keep mine in a SDB
20:30	Bugpowder	yup… Its fun going back there too
20:30	nubbins`	yep
20:30	Bugpowder	100k in da box
20:30	nubbins`	makes you feel like the baller we talked about earlier
20:30	truffles	nubbins` u said i was baller!
20:30	truffles	damit which is it
20:30	nubbins`	you're only baller if you step up and buy
20:30	truffles	but but
20:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00359989 = 0.1188 BTC [+] {4}
20:32	dub	i got big balls but I aint no baller
20:33	truffles	balls as in penus?
20:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00330017 = 0.1518 BTC [-] {4}
20:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0031619 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {3}
20:39	dub	heh PENUS
20:39	dub	dat crazy as bitch
20:40	truffles	look at u helping out steretypes
20:40	truffles	do u listen to rap btw?
20:43	dub	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAwLYJYsa0A
20:43	ozbot	Penis Power - Alexyss K. Tylor - YouTube
20:43	dub	PENUS power
20:45	truffles	here here here lol
20:46	truffles	predator mode
20:47	dub	dis man wont even buy you some shrimp
20:48	dub	but he give you a side of penus
20:48	truffles	lmao
20:48	truffles	this is rly good
20:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 431 @ 0.000261 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
20:51	truffles	who does it belong to
20:51	thestringpuller	;;ticker
20:51	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1067.26001, Best ask: 1079.0, Bid-ask spread: 11.73999, Last trade: 1079.0, 24 hour volume: 35816.43317421, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 1005.81613
20:53	truffles	gotta stay prayed up
20:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33489999 BTC [+]
20:57	truffles	so much gold in this omg
20:57	truffles	"i am definitely gonna be on the watch out" this is the time when i said "trust me, humpydumpy, no one's gonna try to put you together again"
21:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3349 BTC [+]
21:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.335 BTC [+]
21:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2953 @ 0.0013 = 3.8389 BTC [-] {6}
21:25	bgupta	betting there are gonna be some interesting thanksgiving dinner family discussions tomorrow.
21:27	Bugpowder	yup
21:28	Bugpowder	My Brother : WHY DID I SELL MY 25 BTC COIN
21:28	Bugpowder	Dude: why did you sell that, it was a gift
21:28	nubbins`	heh
21:28	Bugpowder	oh wait we already had this discussion
21:28	deadweasel	the gift is the lesson.
21:29	Bugpowder	updated, Him: Why did I sell my last 9 bitcoins to you for $100 each
21:29	Bugpowder	me: it was market rate at the time.
21:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 511 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1022 BTC [-] {4}
21:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1081 @ 0.00018205 = 0.1968 BTC [-] {4}
21:39	thestringpuller	this time last year I suppose it was at what 11 dollars?
21:39	thestringpuller	10 dollars?
21:39	thestringpuller	lol
21:39	thestringpuller	I remember during Christmas it was just breaching 12 again after the pirateat40 debacle
21:39	thestringpuller	;;seen pirateat40
21:39	gribble	pirateat40 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 53 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <pirateat40> lame
21:39	thestringpuller	haha that was me
21:42	dub	http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-cooking-live-animals
21:43	dub	protop that commenter at teh top: they do cook and eat children you idiot
21:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+]
21:44	truffles	that poor dog :(
21:44	kakobrekla	just having a bath
21:44	truffles	where is its fur then
21:45	dub	you don't shave before a bath?
21:45	truffles	during not before
21:45	truffles	depends
21:45	dub	its not like norway or wherever you're from has a great record on animal rights
21:46	truffles	u shave ur penus before the baths?`
21:46	truffles	0.0
21:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5629 @ 0.00029686 = 1.671 BTC [+] {6}
21:47	dub	its interesting though, with the stuff I kill and eat its generally accepted that stress from a slow death makes them taste worse so we kill them quick
21:47	truffles	u self kill ur meats?
21:48	kakobrekla	yeah, dub just leaves the gun there over night and the deer commit self kill there
21:48	truffles	i mean he does the killing rather than store bought
21:49	dub	and next to the fact that tigers are going to get exitinct because china thinks eating their penus cures cancer, a few dogs and kids in the pot is nothing
21:49	ThickAsThieves	hey free bet idea
21:49	ThickAsThieves	Mt Gox will list LTC
21:49	kakobrekla	since when are you such treehugger dub
21:50	BingoBoingo	Reminds me I'll have to shave the turkey we've been keeping for tomorrow before I bring it to thanksgiving
21:50	kakobrekla	go do it ThickAsThieves
21:50	ThickAsThieves	ok
21:50	truffles	i gotta brine my tiny turkey too
21:50	dub	http://i.imgur.com/YjlY6Zt.jpg
21:51	dub	I am chief -assets treehugger
21:51	dub	I don't even deny global warming ffs
21:52	kakobrekla	horrible.
21:52	truffles	treehugger doubtful
21:52	kakobrekla	tigerhugger?
21:53	truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoAcNdeEf_Y
21:53	ozbot	The Last Lions (2011) - Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube
21:53	s3gfault	ICBIT.se is down..... was MPEX right? is ICBIT a bucket shop>?? did i lose my 600 BTC on deposit??????????
21:53	s3gfault	0fm0zmg0zm im panicking
21:53	kakobrekla	o lol that guy again
21:54	kakobrekla	and i was just about to leave.
21:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4069 @ 0.0003 = 1.2207 BTC [-]
21:54	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Maybe, I'm pretty sure your loss would be me winning money on a bet somewhere...
21:54	s3gfault	fuck. that sucks. losing $600,000 like that... oh well.
21:54	s3gfault	at least i have 500 more BTC
21:54	truffles	0.0
21:55	truffles	howd u lose it?
21:55	s3gfault	ICBIT.se is down. maybe they ran away with the coins
21:57	ThickAsThieves	i made the gox bet
21:57	ThickAsThieves	set closing for April 1
21:57	BingoBoingo	dub: Protip -> Make sure the oil pot and burner are adequately anchored to the ground before trying to lower the turkey into it. And Angry 30 pound turkey can spill a lot of peanut oil
21:58	bgupta	Bet closes and resolves april 1?
21:58	ThickAsThieves	closes 7 days prior
21:58	bgupta	meh
21:58	ThickAsThieves	hehe
21:58	ThickAsThieves	i knew you'd say so
21:58	dub	Deepfried whole turkey? FUCK YEAH MURICA
21:58	dub	is it stuffed with reeces peices?
21:59	truffles	ewww
21:59	ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats
21:59	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
21:59	gribble	Current Blocks: 271867 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 292 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 16 hours, 58 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 695021943.606 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.03473
21:59	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1080.3, Best ask: 1086.67779, Bid-ask spread: 6.37779, Last trade: 1086.67779, 24 hour volume: 35018.42497874, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 1009.56212
22:00	ThickAsThieves	looks like no 1b diff this year
22:00	BingoBoingo	dub: No, you throw the whole bird in jsut after you shave it. That way you can fry it while also having gravy. Contrary to popular belief fry and then dress is superior to dress and then fry.
22:01	truffles	dress it in what
22:01	dub	im gettin trolled here
22:01	bgupta	dub: Was gonna do that but we ended up getting a pit-smoked turkey from a local bbq joint..
22:01	dub	shave a turkey?
22:01	dub	usually you pluck feathered meats
22:01	bgupta	first year in ages we broke the turducken tradition
22:01	s3gfault	ICBIT.se what happened??? Is it a scam?
22:01	dub	s3gfault: yes, now fuck off
22:01	truffles	i wanna try truducken someday
22:02	s3gfault	dub: stop swearing
22:02	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Of course it is probably a scam, what else was it going to be?
22:02	s3gfault	BingoBoingo: it was running for 2 years with no problems though? Long con?
22:02	dub	eat a penus
22:02	Apocalyptic	s3gfault, you're trolling about the 600 btc right
22:02	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Your coins were probably some of the few customer coins on there.
22:02	s3gfault	no. serious. I was one of the top traders on the loaderboard
22:02	s3gfault	leaderboard
22:02	truffles	leaderboard?`
22:03	dub	no loaderboard is rite
22:03	Apocalyptic	place to show who has the biggest wallet
22:03	dub	place to show who takes the most loads
22:03	s3gfault	if they got hacked or ran away, how do i go about finding ICBIT.se owners to get the coins back?
22:03	s3gfault	am i out of luck?
22:04	dub	yes you are
22:04	dub	perhaps a suicide is in order
22:04	bgupta	jeezus really.. noone here would dare trade on icbit, and don't want to hear about whining about lost btc to a fake exchange.
22:04	s3gfault	what am i going to do?
22:04	Apocalyptic	" how do i go about finding ICBIT.se owner" that's the thing you do before sending coins, generally
22:04	s3gfault	i cant lose that much money
22:04	Apocalyptic	not when it's too late
22:04	Apocalyptic	some due diligence dude...
22:04	dub	they had a website bro, must be legit
22:04	Apocalyptic	indeed
22:04	s3gfault	bgupta: its not a fake exchange they did $10 million in volume this month
22:04	Apocalyptic	website = serious business
22:05	bgupta	says them..
22:05	ThickAsThieves	bgupta pm
22:07	s3gfault	guys stop joking. seriously.... can i sue and get coins back?
22:08	dub	I really hope you're not trolling
22:08	truffles	i hope he is
22:08	Apocalyptic	dub, i think he is
22:08	s3gfault	guys i was planning on retiring with that 600btc. i quit my job. what the fuck will i do?
22:08	Apocalyptic	how can a serious guy send 600 btc there
22:09	Bugpowder	lol
22:09	s3gfault	futures trading is serious
22:09	Apocalyptic	unless you're TF and that's a gift
22:09	dub	no way this dude had 600btc
22:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-]
22:09	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Ask Roger Ver about getting money back from Pirate?
22:09	s3gfault	does anyone know Tycho? He runs ICBIT and deepbit.net
22:10	dub	ask brian cartmell about getting money back from bitcoinica
22:10	Apocalyptic	lel
22:11	dub	and ask ur mom about geting a refund from the sperm bank
22:12	dub	the retard screening program failed in your case
22:13	s3gfault	dub: you're not very nice. stop throwing insults
22:13	truffles	mean ppl itc
22:13	s3gfault	i really hope its just a DoS attack
22:14	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Maybe start a scam accusation on Bitcointalk?
22:15	dub	lol
22:15	s3gfault	[Tycho] is a Bitcointalk STAFF member. if he is a theif i would be shocked...
22:15	Apocalyptic	lol
22:15	Apocalyptic	that means absolutely nothing s3gfault
22:15	Apocalyptic	TF was in Theymos default trust list...
22:15	dub	you have to a be a scammer or fucktard to be staff
22:16	s3gfault	fuck.
22:16	s3gfault	i'm panicking.
22:16	Apocalyptic	people's standing on bitcointalk.org has 0 weight to me
22:16	ThickAsThieves	whats the next batch of miners thats sposed to ship?
22:16	dub	negative weighting here
22:16	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Have you not read all of the Theymos scammer history yet?
22:16	ThickAsThieves	other than AM?
22:17	s3gfault	no whats that?
22:17	ThickAsThieves	hashfast?
22:17	dub	knc spammed me the other day about 20nm product
22:17	dub	shipping in q1-q2 '14 tho
22:17	Bugpowder	how long has it been down
22:18	dub	I herd monarch shipping in 2 weeks
22:18	BingoBoingo	Well, BIPS was under a DDoS for a few days and their wallet was swiped during it, so even if this is a DDoS that isn't necessarily good news for s3gfault
22:18	nubbins`	dub not bad, that's hardly any time at all
22:19	nubbins`	where do i send my coins
22:19	thestringpuller	first bits: 1sucker
22:19	s3gfault	fuck. this is going to suck so bad......
22:20	nubbins`	ah, 1suckerSendAllCoinsHere2345?
22:20	dub	1s3gfaultg0t0wn3d
22:20	ThickAsThieves	monarch shipping "by xmas"
22:21	ThickAsThieves	we "know" that much
22:21	BingoBoingo	1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4
22:22	Apocalyptic	s3gfault, icbit is back !
22:24	Bugpowder	YAY YAY YAY
22:24	thestringpuller	jesus people still use icbit?
22:24	thestringpuller	da fuq
22:25	dub	inb4 dude wheres my wallet
22:30	truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WPZzt7BN5I 2:10 she began to harass the male..
22:30	ozbot	Leopards Mate in a Tree - YouTube
22:35	dub	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKSVXp03Ytk
22:35	ozbot	penis addictions - YouTube
22:36	truffles	she is amazing
22:36	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
22:36	dub	you should IPO her
22:36	truffles	...
22:38	truffles	guessing ure a bachelor dub
22:38	truffles	predator as u ar
22:41	dub	neg, im a dink
22:41	s3gfault	ICBIT is BACK!!!!!! TOLD YOU IT WASNT A SCAM!!!!! I KNEW IT! THEY ARE TRUSTWORTHY!!!!!!!
22:41	truffles	;;ud dink
22:41	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dink | by DINK March 14, 2003 add a video add an image. Random Word · 2. Dink. Dink, The : Slang for Engelbert Humperdinck. One of the greatest rock and roll stars ...
22:41	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: dink
22:42	dub	wat
22:42	truffles	other google says otherwise..
22:43	truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwaSaB4GxUU
22:43	ozbot	Alexyss K Tylor Bust It Baby - YouTube
22:43	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Is their wallet back too?
22:46	s3gfault	hopefully
22:47	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: You should withdraw your coins just to make sure.
22:48	s3gfault	unless they're in cold storage, they're probably safer there then my computer
22:49	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Well, you don't want them running a fractional reserve scheme supported by the fact you don't care to withdraw and redeposit from time to time...
22:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33 = 0.66 BTC [-]
22:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.31913301 = 11.8079 BTC [-] {10}
22:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 335 @ 0.00311276 = 1.0428 BTC [-] {9}
22:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.316 = 1.58 BTC [-]
22:58	dub	www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfeS6hadoKs
22:58	dub	kuality
22:59	nubbins`	http://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/orders-suspended/
22:59	ozbot	Orders suspended | casascius
23:00	Bugpowder	WOW
23:00	Bugpowder	I JUST got a fresh roll
23:00	Bugpowder	LOL at prequalify…. Only sell to accredited investors?
23:01	nubbins`	who knows!
23:01	Bugpowder	or need to get AML dox? Jesus christ.
23:02	nubbins`	wonder what this will do for prices
23:03	Bugpowder	Well its not going to make them go down.
23:03	Bugpowder	unless ebay suspends auctions.
23:03	nubbins`	nod
23:04	nubbins`	kinda glad, he severely dropped the prices on a lot of his coins recently, which i didn't really agree with
23:05	s3gfault	BingoBoingo: thanks for the suggestion though
23:07	dub	did casascius fix the less than tamper evident tamper evident thing
23:07	dub	are the old coins actually worth anything?
23:08	Bugpowder	They go for about $1400 on ebay.
23:09	Bugpowder	nubbins`: I think he keeps a fixed fiat profit margin.
23:11	nubbins`	yeah, more or less
23:12	BingoBoingo	s3gfault: Well, if they never have reason to think you might withdraw they might eventually decide they don't actually need to keep those coins in your name. Best to test them.
23:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 244 @ 0.001301 = 0.3174 BTC [-] {2}
23:20	s3gfault	LTC the new BTC
23:20	s3gfault	i just bought 10,000 LTC
23:23	cazalla	good luck with that
23:24	cazalla	not sure why you would play brick when you can play tetris though
23:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 117 @ 0.00311034 = 0.3639 BTC [-] {5}
23:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 376 @ 0.00028012 = 0.1053 BTC [-] {2}
23:27	BingoBoingo	cazalla: I find holding some LTC to be useful, just in case SHA-256 catastrophically breaks. I don't plan on ever having occasion to use LTC unless that happens though.
23:31	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWjKLiexGI4
23:31	ozbot	Chelsea Light Moving "Alighted" Northampton, MA 2.24.13 - YouTube
23:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00036998 = 0.111 BTC [+]
23:43	thestringpuller	;;ticker
23:43	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1067.994, Best ask: 1073.29336, Bid-ask spread: 5.29936, Last trade: 1067.98, 24 hour volume: 34667.46592049, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 1013.64005
23:46	nubbins`	1094, lel
23:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.33199979 = 1.66 BTC [+] {4}
23:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34000006 = 0.68 BTC [+] {2}
23:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.31604 = 1.8962 BTC [-] {2}

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