#trilema | 2013-11-02

imgur: the simple image sharer

00:01

mike_c

it could be dangerous!

00:03

the best thing about monkey magic, even with his irrepressable nature, is that he still respecteded the spoilt rich kid who sat in the shade smoking hash

00:05

i mean buddha not jesus or mohammad, i dont think monkey had heard of those guys when the story was written

00:13

monkey magic was straight pimpin

00:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9153 @ 0.00082331 = 7.5358 BTC [-]

00:17

I'm surprised, I might have actually gotten asicminer at the bottom

00:17

unless it has more to fall hehe

00:17

i think it started lower

00:19

did you buy at the price burside listed for?

00:22

hotoiledpussy should start thinging about making smartphones

00:23

Hrm? I just bought ~0.6BTC/share

00:24

nerdalicious ggoglefucking linuxfones

00:25

with 802.11s and other genius stuff built in

00:26

if you want to spend a months fucking around with usb sticks, makes some with writable cids, you'll sell more

00:29

mike_c prolly the latter.

00:29

no standards adhered-to just like mp and al

00:30

github is a standard now ?

00:30

Ademan originally it was 0.1 if memory serves.

00:31

yah, a standard, like EBCDIC.

00:31

random numbers from the camera

00:34

coder ppl can use whatever social media platforms they feel like.

00:34

mircea_popescu: ah, dang, wish I was around for IPO then... but still, this is the lowest it's been in some time

00:36

true. on the oither hand diff is also highest it was in some time, and their network share is lowest in history iirc.

00:37

shows some intelligence sitting on the funds

00:38

has hotoiledpussy spent much yet?

00:39

mircea_popescu: yeah, I bought with the expectation that I could very easily be out the money

00:39

ademan, if it hits 5, sell the lot

00:40

We'll see what the future has in store, I kind of doubt it'll get that high again

00:41

theres half a chance hell mint the best sha chip

00:42

or diversify in a profitable direction?!?!!

00:43

Well my gamble is that fried has some exciting new hardware in the works, but we'll see

00:43

that mining bug is a motherfucker

00:44

he could easily spend the lot chasing the past

00:45

you never know.

00:46

would nsa ever sell out to an american defense contract?

00:47

or some other govt?

00:47

we know you like money?

00:49

mircea_popescu?

00:52

its ok i already know the answer

00:53

you would take 1 million to put a socketed backdoor chip on your stick

00:53

then the user can pop it off and keep going

00:54

with a howto on trilema as soon as the check clears

00:54

well, nsa can in principle be bought out, like any bitcoin company.

00:54

proceeds would be distributed to shareholders.

00:55

that aside, it's not exactly part of the business model or good for business to serve the interests of third parties. nsa works for its customers.

00:55

yes, that is a truer thruth

00:55

the nsa would gain little from buying nsa

00:56

i wonder if they would prefer dividends or stop sales?

00:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64245 = 1.2849 BTC [-] {2}

00:58

dividends would afford more astroglide for friday drinks

01:00

its only torture if its happening to someone else

01:01

how dare mr snowden steal their data

01:05

astroglide for friday drinks? what the hell do you drink?! heh

01:07

i watch saturday night live

01:07

last week had an interesting piece on how obama is disallowed from being a free thinking individual

01:10

http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/taran-killam-on-12-years-a-slave-sketch.html

01:12

ironic in contrast with clinton repealing cryptography laws and smoking cigars like a pimp

01:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00269998 = 0.108 BTC [+]

01:14

id bitbet theyll joke about the tsa agent getting shot at lax, those writers dont give a fuck

01:15

this saturday

01:17

if only bitbet was a bit more bubblegum :)

01:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbE36IBTZY

01:19

monkey magic intro - YouTube

~ 30 minutes ~

01:50

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.00109999 = 0.22 BTC [+]

01:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00594323 = 0.1783 BTC [+] {4}

01:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4747 @ 0.00082331 = 3.9083 BTC [-]

01:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00599988 = 0.336 BTC [+]

01:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6449 = 3.2245 BTC [+]

01:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 460 @ 0.00599966 = 2.7598 BTC [+] {5}

02:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66999592 BTC [+]

02:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00609631 = 0.2073 BTC [+] {4}

02:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5670 @ 0.00082593 = 4.683 BTC [+] {2}

02:19

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]

02:23

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00252504 = 1.2625 BTC [-] {3}

02:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00250407 = 0.2504 BTC [-] {3}

02:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66999592 = 1.34 BTC [+]

02:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00083011 = 8.3426 BTC [+]

02:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00615942 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}

02:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]

02:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00615943 = 0.1663 BTC [+]

02:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]

02:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 248 @ 0.00618986 = 1.5351 BTC [+] {5}

02:48

i would very much like a cardano into which i can put my own keys. and also to sleep with all of your sisters.

02:48

mostly just the good-looking ones.

02:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Xl0Qry-hA

02:49

Nancy Sinatra Bang Bang - YouTube

02:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13180 @ 0.00083011 = 10.9408 BTC [+]

02:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOUxZDwKK4A

02:53

Tank Girl-That's not in the plan. - YouTube

02:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAOR6ib95kQ

02:54

Gorillaz - DARE - YouTube

02:58

yo pimp, how was the ratraces smidge?

02:58

now that you've slept on it

03:00

must need coffee and a fried jam bun

03:02

but the fat spliff comes first in deutsche

03:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qttGJ3il62Y

03:03

Seeed - Augenbling (official Video) - YouTube

03:04

wake up smidge

03:09

even india does 24/7

03:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082769 = 6.7043 BTC [-]

03:12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLiFb_xwB1E

03:12

Jungle Brothers "Because I Got It Like That" (album version) 1989 - YouTube

03:16

p2p

03:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6wBxQVBozI

03:17

Willie Nelson and Shania Twain, Blue eyes crying in the rain - YouTube

03:18

i hope kakos asleep or a counrty fan

03:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKGLPPjWrs

03:20

Willie Nelson - Maria (Shut Up And Kiss Me) - YouTube

03:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMPmGbjW8mk

03:28

Evie Part 1 - YouTube

03:31

extremely cautious on fiat exposed assets

03:33

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJwZhqU0QL4

03:33

AC/DC - It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'n' Roll) - YouTube

03:45

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36489994 BTC [+]

03:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]

03:49

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36489995 BTC [+]

03:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 274 @ 0.00633998 = 1.7372 BTC [+] {2}

03:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0063499 = 0.2667 BTC [+]

03:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00665 = 0.9975 BTC [+]

03:55

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 431 @ 0.00109999 = 0.4741 BTC [+]

03:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0066 = 0.264 BTC [-]

03:59

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1630 @ 0.00269998 = 4.401 BTC [+]

04:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00665 = 0.1995 BTC [+]

~ 21 minutes ~

04:22

zacm

there was a shooting at a california airport? what a sick loser coward.

04:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 280 @ 0.0025001 = 0.7 BTC [-]

04:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]

~ 17 minutes ~

04:52

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdSUkABrNoM

04:52

Snoop Dogg - 10 L.A.X. - Blue Carpet Treatment - YouTube

04:57

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veOWPyHYRMU

04:57

Tha Dogg Pound & Snoop Dogg - "L.A. Here's 2 U" (Music Video) - YouTube

04:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00665 = 0.1796 BTC [-]

05:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]

05:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0067 = 0.335 BTC [+]

05:18

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]

05:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00082285 = 8.6399 BTC [-] {3}

05:37

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0608 = 0.1216 BTC [+]

05:45

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 16 @ 0.0609 = 0.9744 BTC [+]

05:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14798 @ 0.00082526 = 12.2122 BTC [+] {2}

~ 21 minutes ~

06:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0067 = 0.2345 BTC [+]

~ 19 minutes ~

06:27

ASIVI_

Guys, currently the main issue I'm having with BTC company stocks is that the stock market is unregulated, therefore very risky. How do you ensure you won't be just ripped off? How do you deal with this?

06:28

ASIVI_: you can get ripped with any stocks, not just btc ones

06:28

mircea_popescu: pm

06:39

ASIVI_ you lurk moar.

06:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00082702 = 5.9959 BTC [+]

06:44

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1273 @ 0.00109999 = 1.4003 BTC [+]

06:45

;;gpg ident jurov

06:45

Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is identified as user jurov, with GPG key id 677ABD62D0AEE7D7, key fingerprint BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7, and bitcoin address None

06:54

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002295 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}

06:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]

06:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [-]

07:08

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]

07:13

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.701 BTC [+]

07:20

so, assholes at inputs.io felt compelled to invent their own bitcoin signature format...

07:24

oh, and helpful option "Format message" checked by default...

07:28

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.06 = 0.24 BTC [-]

07:39

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 0.06067888 = 0.5461 BTC [+] {2}

07:49

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.692 BTC [-]

08:00

[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share

08:05

lol jurov

08:10

well they have to find a way to prevent you from signing bitcoin transactions

08:18

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00109999 = 0.11 BTC [+]

08:18

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]

08:19

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]

08:21

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.36489999 = 0.7298 BTC [+]

~ 16 minutes ~

08:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [+]

08:38

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.0065 = 0.741 BTC [-] {2}

08:43

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2013#366087

08:43

#bitcoin-assets log

08:43

those linocuts are fucking SICK

08:43

so much effort

08:46

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00678998 = 0.3259 BTC [+]

08:51

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=23321.msg3463516#msg3463516

08:51

Slovenija / Slovenia

08:51

hehe

08:52

Dear Sirs and Madams,

08:52

this sentence starts with a lower-case letter.

08:53

meh i have read it now

08:53

some bullshit

08:53

;)

08:53

kinda loses steam near the end

08:53

"Please investigate this issue"

08:54

anyway, cooking with cast iron, amirite?

08:54

fuck teflon

08:55

dunno, women do that for me

08:56

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00269997 = 0.1026 BTC [+]

08:56

lel

08:56

you're one of those

08:56

do women wipe your bum after you poo? :(

08:56

one of which

08:57

a noble men like me dont poo

08:57

ah!

08:57

well no wonder you get others to cook for you

08:57

but in all seriousness

08:58

i wipe my own ass!

08:58

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.06122199 = 0.1224 BTC [+]

08:58

its just not practical

08:58

to have someone else do it for you

08:58

else i might do it

09:00

heh

09:00

there's a certain vulnerability involved in getting someone else to wipe your ass

09:00

never trust an asswiper you cant throw outta window

09:00

right?

09:00

;)

09:00

worse than american airport

09:01

anything could happen!

09:01

hey, some might even enjoy it

09:02

anyway. the trick to good hash browns is to first microwave the diced potato

09:02

then you put the potato in the cast iron pan once the oil begins to smoke

09:02

;;google hash browns

09:02

Crispy Hash Browns Recipe | Simply Recipes: <http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/crispy_hash_browns/>; Hash browns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_browns>; Man Hash Browns Recipe : Alton Brown : Recipes : Food Network: <http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/man-hash-browns-recipe/>

09:02

i still dont undestand, what am i looking at

09:03

i like potato so keep talking

09:03

ah

09:03

just diced potato, fried in oil

09:03

1 sec

09:04

cause the only brown hash i know is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashish

09:04

heh

09:04

unelss that some new crypto coin algorithm

09:04

well, that type smells a lot better

09:05

http://imgur.com/YUkYXpw

09:05

imgur: the simple image sharer

09:05

so once those are done, i cook eggs and toast some delicious Montreal-style bagels

09:05

breakfast of champions

09:05

ok so fried potato?

09:06

why dont you call it chips then or fries

09:06

"hash" is any food consisting of coarsely-chopped ingredients, mixed together

09:06

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 36 @ 0.00749999 = 0.27 BTC [-]

09:06

aha so you have to be sloppy when chopping to get hash

09:06

got it.

09:06

so hahs browns are browned potatoes that you'd add to a hash

09:07

https://www.google.ca/search?q=cabbage+hash&espv=210&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8_h0UrK0FojksASKv4GgBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1235&bih=780

09:07

cabbage hash is popular with old folks here

09:07

man this potatio hole is deeper than i though

09:07

t

09:07

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 665 @ 0.00109999 = 0.7315 BTC [+]

09:07

ok i think i understand.

09:08

what prevents doog from taking the coins of jd and run?

09:09

nothing

09:09

!jd

09:09

Just-Dice stat: 6740 BTC profit, 61.5k BTC invested, 221.94 mio bets, 4.32 mio BTC wagered

09:09

did he gave any security btc deposit to someone ?

09:09

60k to john k!

09:09

is he known by his name?

09:09

who

09:09

doog

09:09

no

09:10

fuck, why are people investing so much then?

09:10

the same john k who's missing?

09:10

cause bitcointalk.

09:10

kakobrekla, what do you mean? only because he is a trusted member?

09:10

well, you gotta realize that he has a billion penny investors

09:10

and 2 or 3 big fishes

09:11

there are stats done

09:11

on this matter.

09:12

billion penny investors?

09:12

which word is confusing you

09:12

you mean there are only small investors on jd ?

09:12

yes

09:12

the biggest density is at 0.8 btc iirc

09:12

is there a chart?

09:12

yes

09:13

http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/10/146-distribution-of-investor-bitcoin.html

09:13

Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 14.6 Size matters: Investor bitcoin distribution at Just-Dice.com

09:13

MTBmanTT

gm all

09:13

hi

09:13

ThickAsThieves

hi

09:14

thx kakobrekla

09:14

is what i do.

09:15

i think the threat is maybe not doog running, but someone just taking over the site

09:15

hackers or fbi

09:16

kakobrekla, how much are you in?

09:17

in jd? 0

09:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6754 @ 0.00082702 = 5.5857 BTC [+]

09:17

i remember you did once, right?

09:18

not rly

09:19

i did try it out for a day

09:19

thats about it

09:21

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316546.msg3457791#msg3457791

09:21

[Bitfunder]&[WeExchange] WARNING The Fall of Ukyo!

09:21

srs doenst one ask himself

09:21

is this really worth it

09:24

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129461.msg3426361#msg3426361

09:24

Bitcoin-Central, first exchange licensed to operate with a bank. This is HUGE

09:24

is there actually any trustworthy ripple gateway owner?

09:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00082769 = 1.5726 BTC [+]

09:24

good job davout, unlike those bitstamp retards

09:24

fuckin i hate their bones.

09:25

MTBmanTT

wow nice!

09:25

MTBmanTT

that is great news

09:27

;;seen davout

09:27

davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <davout> :D

09:29

http://imgur.com/KZUMdrn

09:29

imgur: the simple image sharer

09:29

breakfast of champions

09:29

and/or fatsos

09:33

Mmm

09:34

beauty of cast iron being that i turned off the stove when i removed the hash browns from the skillet

09:34

and cooked the eggs on the residual heat

09:34

cleanup is as easy as scrubbing some coarse salt around the pan with a paper towel

09:36

i first got into cast iron after learning that the guy who owns javaranch.com is a huge fan: http://www.richsoil.com/cast-iron.jsp

09:36

why the salt

09:36

zacm

well i hope you take it one step further and use mining heat to cook your next egg

09:39

kako, as an abrasive

09:39

removes any stuck-on bits of food

09:40

aha i guess that makes sense

09:40

yeah, the idea is that you should avoid letting water (and especially soapy water) touch your cast iron

09:40

because it can remove layers of seasoning

09:40

form your link

09:40

7) avoid soap!

09:40

There is a myth about how you should never use soap on cast iron. Details on that below. The reality is that you can use soap on cast iron, but it is better if you didn't.

09:40

:>

09:42

seasoning is crucial to keeping your pan's non-stick properties

09:43

for example, when my eggs were finished cooking, i just tilted the pan and they slid right off onto my plate

09:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0065 = 0.5915 BTC [-]

09:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.72287498 = 5.783 BTC [+] {5}

09:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.73666663 = 11.05 BTC [+] {5}

09:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.735 BTC [-]

09:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.73866666 = 4.432 BTC [+] {2}

~ 23 minutes ~

10:19

so pankkake

10:19

You know neobee?

10:20

(15:15:57) (skinnkavaj) Will you use Litecoin as a hedge against a falling Bitcoin in the future?

10:20

(15:18:15) (cryptocyprus) It is always a possibility, litecoin is the only alt I have ever bought and sold, if/when Gox integrates litecoin then there will be more liquidity to make it a more suitable hedge

10:22

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 588 @ 0.00109999 = 0.6468 BTC [+]

10:24

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 275 @ 0.0011 = 0.3025 BTC [+] {2}

10:36

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 18 @ 0.00749999 = 0.135 BTC [-]

10:44

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.36489999 = 0.7298 BTC [+]

10:44

oh so some dude on the internet bought AND SOLD ltc, must be the shits!

10:49

kakobrekla: Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about

10:49

clearly.

10:49

:)

10:49

Neobee is probably the biggest thing to happen to Bitcoin in a while

10:50

prolly cause of the oracle

10:50

kakobrekla: Try read here and then stfu

10:50

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.0

10:50

[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

10:50

try lurk moar and stfu now

10:50

mkay

10:51

kakobrekla: You are in this channel and you have never heard of Neobee. Lol

10:52

thats what you think

10:52

Please don't open your mouth again.

10:52

lol

10:52

too funny

10:52

Ask ThickAsThieves what he think about Neobee

10:54

lol

10:54

why would he ask a thief?

10:55

pankkake: Are you mocking his name or has he ever stolen?

10:55

he stole my heart

10:58

So LTC/USD up 30% in a week

10:59

negative fucks given.

10:59

kakobrekla: Please no one gives a fuck what you think anymore

10:59

and everyone wants to hear your opinion

10:59

I get asked a lot.

11:00

which dimension are we in today?

11:00

skinnkavaj i havent seen a single person asking you for anything

11:01

mosty its "get lost newb" from what i saw

11:02

feel free to point to the line on the log where that what you are saying happend happens...

11:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.719 = 1.438 BTC [-] {2}

11:09

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3769996 = 0.754 BTC [+]

11:10

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.37699986 = 5.655 BTC [+] {3}

11:11

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.377 = 2.639 BTC [+] {2}

11:14

b0n1, since you started it, is TFs real name known also?

11:18

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [+]

11:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.74023999 = 18.506 BTC [+] {3}

11:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.77274999 = 3.091 BTC [+] {3}

11:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00678968 = 0.2308 BTC [+] {3}

11:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 480 @ 0.00683114 = 3.2789 BTC [+] {6}

11:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0070033 = 0.2101 BTC [+] {2}

~ 15 minutes ~

11:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00082721 = 9.4302 BTC [-]

11:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.81 BTC [+]

11:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.82 = 1.64 BTC [+]

11:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.9 BTC [+]

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00706451 = 0.438 BTC [+] {2}

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.0071 = 0.7952 BTC [+] {3}

12:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.80000013 = 14.4 BTC [-] {3}

12:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00722 = 0.13 BTC [+]

12:07

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.80000002 = 2.4 BTC [-]

12:12

<skinnkavaj> (15:18:15) (cryptocyprus) It is always a possibility, litecoin is the only alt I have ever bought and sold, if/when Gox integrates litecoin then there will be more liquidity to make it a more suitable hedge

12:12

^ guy takes this to mean "yeah LTC is totally legit, you've been right this whole time!"

12:12

failing to realize that "it is always a possibility" is just a polite way of saying no

12:13

litecoiners love to ask everyone to support litecoin it seems

12:13

it is always a possibility that i will head down to my basement, grab a claw hammer, and smash my dick with it

12:13

doesn't mean my wife should put 911 on speed-dial

12:13

you'll need dick surgery

12:13

HEH

12:14

i'm having dick surgery later this evening, actually

12:14

she's not supposed to use her teeth...

12:15

that whole exchange between skinnsjfakdjfj and kako earlier was pretty lelly

12:15

yup. skinny so sensitive.

12:15

think skin

12:15

thin*

12:15

definitly not THINK skin

12:15

BingoBoingo

Yeah, I can't wait till skinnkavaj skins his dick and wears it like a sock for LTC

12:16

<kakobrekla> and everyone wants to hear your opinion <skinnkavaj> I get asked a lot.

12:16

my sides, etc

12:16

'people ALWAYS be askin' my opinion bro! I'm like the bitcoin oracle...'

12:17

'You don't know neobee!!!?? Fooooooool! You so dumb!'

12:17

my god, it was funny

12:23

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.06122199 = 0.3061 BTC [-]

12:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.72 = 1.44 BTC [-]

12:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.705 = 1.41 BTC [-] {2}

12:32

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00269997 = 0.3861 BTC [+]

12:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1253 @ 0.00269998 = 3.3831 BTC [+] {2}

12:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1098 @ 0.00269998 = 2.9646 BTC [+] {3}

12:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 205 @ 0.00269999 = 0.5535 BTC [+] {2}

12:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.86874999 = 3.475 BTC [+] {2}

12:43

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.0027 = 0.1458 BTC [+]

12:45

^ skinnkavaj buying shares

12:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00082721 = 11.7464 BTC [-]

12:47

good for him

12:52

[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 750 @ 0.00067411 = 0.5056 BTC [+] {6}

12:54

:|

12:59

to the pluto

12:59

i wonder at what point leaving earth becomes a bad thing?

12:59

i mean, the moon alone is pretty goddamn far away

13:00

nubbins: that sugery will be hard on you

13:06

i do tend to sweat a lot during dick surgery

13:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.86749999 = 3.47 BTC [-] {2}

13:12

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.37699999 = 0.754 BTC [-] {2}

13:13

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.06099999 = 0.122 BTC [-]

13:14

heh, "asicminer cube"

13:14

sweet

13:15

it only needs to feed like 200W of free electricity back into the grid in order to be profitable!

13:15

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.00696666 = 0.1045 BTC [-] {3}

13:17

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1842 @ 0.00109999 = 2.0262 BTC [+]

13:18

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323077.msg3461106#msg3461106

13:18

[Havelock] The Panama Fund, S.A. Acquires HavelockInvestments.com

13:18

"Can you imagine how the world would react if the US decided that another countries laws were incorrect and they have to comply?"

13:18

....yes, i can imagine that

13:19

because it's happened countless times, and nobody ever gave a fuck

13:20

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 46 @ 0.00749999 = 0.345 BTC [-]

13:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 237 @ 0.00699054 = 1.6568 BTC [+] {3}

13:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 103 @ 0.00709097 = 0.7304 BTC [+] {2}

13:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.87 BTC [+]

13:43

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.06099999 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}

13:46

Vp7771

anybody following the neobee announcements?

13:46

Vp7771

wasn't there supposed to be an announcement of a big customer besides mpesa?

13:49

Vp7771

oh just found the neobee chat, nvm

13:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00082705 = 12.1576 BTC [-] {2}

~ 22 minutes ~

14:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.007 = 0.336 BTC [-]

14:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00082769 = 2.7314 BTC [+]

~ 18 minutes ~

14:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14871 @ 0.00082482 = 12.2659 BTC [-] {3}

14:54

twerk miley miley miley miley miley

14:59

is that your pig-call benkay ?

15:01

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00699999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {2}

15:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.007 = 0.539 BTC [+]

15:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.007 = 0.161 BTC [+]

15:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1988 @ 0.00082287 = 1.6359 BTC [-]

15:20

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.0605 = 0.1815 BTC [+]

15:34

heh

15:35

deadweasel: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-somewhereinamerica-lyrics#note-1942412

15:36

jay-z..heh..i've seen local rap artists better than him.

15:36

he has had a few really good hits other than that...meh.

15:36

but that is just my opinion

15:37

"artists"

15:37

still just moving product.

15:37

i've yet to meet the artist who's a better capitalist than the jiggaman.

15:38

i thought rapper guys did it for the principle of the thing.

15:39

the artists always do

15:39

the capitalists never do

15:39

what about dali ?

15:40

what does that have to do with rap?

15:40

but you said artists/capitalists! was is strictly a rap phenomena ?

15:41

hey man i'm an american idiot

15:41

you can't expect me to have opinions about real art like dali

15:42

LSD is Dali.

15:42

lol. ok, the point here is that while it'd be hard to argue dali wasn't an artist, it's well established he was a capitalist whore

15:42

to a degree even people like andy warhol seem little babies.

15:43

my point is that rap isn't art. it's a product manufactured for americans.

15:43

so then no rappers are artists.

15:43

i can see it.

15:43

benkay: umm...

15:43

some may think they are, in the same way that some americans think they're ceo's when funded by idiots

15:43

but listen, is painting an art ?

15:43

they would probably describe themselves as businessmen.

15:43

slingin' and what not

15:44

or is it a product manufactured for dutch people cca 1700 ? or italians cca 1600 ?

15:44

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6660162 asciilifeform you may want to promote phuctor (i would, but no account)

15:44

oh good, hacker news is back up.

15:44

painting wasn't always art, it was mostly used because we didn't have cameras yet

15:45

so vacation pictures are art, but rap ain't ?

15:45

vacation pictures are torture.

15:45

can't have a reasonable conversation in black and white, mp.

15:45

everything exists on a spectrum.

15:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.0027 = 0.1782 BTC [+]

15:45

mainstream american rap is product. there are rap artists. there are rap producers. there are humans in between.

15:46

some mainstream rap may even be art to some people

15:46

i find some of j's wordplay rather elegant, myself

15:46

benkay okay, but something has to be something or not be something at some point. otherwise we can't have a conversation at all, outside of ∀ = ∀

15:47

how about an analogue

15:47

not without an explicit mapping function of some sort.

15:47

is this art or design?

15:47

http://hannahstafford.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/alessibystarck.jpg

15:47

that's a dildo.

15:47

what is art? what design? what is product? what is art?

15:48

well, i guess i am writing an article now.

15:48

isn't life wondercool.

15:48

better you than me. i stopped writing about this highly subjective stuff back when i decided to stop convincing people of things.

15:49

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 195 @ 0.3790815 = 73.9209 BTC [+] {11}

15:50

(it's an orange juicer, for those not in the know)

15:50

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [+]

15:50

only if by orange you mean peach.

15:51

put a big enough engine on a brick and *presto* i guess you have an orbital insertion vehicle too

16:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00082233 = 1.3568 BTC [-]

~ 16 minutes ~

16:19

lel @ art discussion

16:20

"real art"

16:20

"fake art"

16:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YLZc_gDMM

16:21

An Abstract Look at Art with Jonathan Meese - YouTube

16:22

^ this guy is almost completely, perfectly fucked in the head, but i had a moment of epiphany while watching this interview

16:26

can someone answer this question- why is the FTC and BTC pair on BTC-E so heavily traded? Big volume has been exchanging there for quite some time.

16:27

both buying and selling

16:27

sorry, no idea

16:27

go watch that video

16:28

ok

16:29

If you watch him on mute it looks like a guy describing pooping in a bucket

16:30

And if you read the subs he admits it

16:31

he's very earnest

16:32

this "art talks" series is great

16:32

this one here got me into silkscreening paper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GWdRIYLUQk

16:39

Pretty sure I just had a flashback with that second one.

16:39

amazing art, very inspiring to me

16:39

AMAZING COMPANY!

16:39

But how?!?

16:40

they're called Re:Surgo! these days

16:40

Do people like this support themselves???

16:40

http://www.resurgo-berlin.com/

16:40

Re:Surgo

16:40

_mjoiii: those two are world famous

16:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00704999 = 0.2467 BTC [-]

16:42

at one point marlboro asked them to design cigarette packs

16:43

they're in the museum of modern art

16:43

etc

16:44

65 euro? What's that in real money? How much in bitcoin?

16:45

They sell prints of their mistakes?

16:45

~0.435 btc

16:45

there are no mistakes, watch the first video i posted ;p

16:46

although you'd be surprised to know how much $$ people spend on stacked test prints

16:46

That dude makes me so jealous. To just trip out all day... But the toilet thing..

16:46

no need to be jealous, it's 100% within your grasp

16:46

hardest part is letting go

16:46

So it made me wonder how he can afford to just buzz like that every day.

16:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3064 @ 0.00082011 = 2.5128 BTC [-]

16:46

[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 138 @ 0.00079 = 0.109 BTC [+]

16:47

Cause fuck, I can grow my hair.

16:47

you'd be surprised how little money you can get by on if you try

16:47

i walked away from a stable, high-paying programmer/analyst job this past february to print full-time

16:47

and i haven't even had to skip a meal yet

16:48

but to be fair that jonathan meese guy is also world famous

16:48

and likely very, very wealthy

16:48

of course, that probably took decades of hard work, self doubt, and eating from food banks

16:48

but ya know

16:49

you kinda have to commit if you want to make something

16:49

anyway! party time. seeya.

16:49

Later man, some trippy shit

16:57

benkay http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/

17:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [+]

17:05

[MPEX] [S.MG] 80000 @ 0.00012799 = 10.2392 BTC [-] {7}

17:06

certainly not Jay-Z

17:06

but thats my opinion =D

17:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 323 @ 0.00714173 = 2.3068 BTC [+] {4}

17:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 131 @ 0.00728618 = 0.9545 BTC [+] {3}

17:10

what did you program nubbins? IT can be hard to get back into if you are out for a while

↖

17:10

bash just been flushed, i nuked the current points stats cause some idiot decided to write a bot to fuck with that, so i changed the system a bit and well, truncated teh table.

17:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.89383333 = 2.6815 BTC [+] {2}

17:12

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.898 = 6.286 BTC [+]

17:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0074 = 0.2812 BTC [+]

17:19

so feel free to recast your points ktnxbai

17:21

kakobrekla make it so you can only vote through assbot,

17:21

and maybe only if registered nick.

17:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.0068 = 1.1968 BTC [-]

17:23

what ams these point?

17:23

thats a thought mp.

17:23

maybe, if teh attacks dont stop

17:24

benkay?

17:25

'twasn't me.

17:26

-ass has a points/karma thing now?

17:27

bash does have some points im experimenting with i guess

17:28

i am missing so much context

17:28

this thing benkay http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/

17:29

oh that thing

17:30

tee hee

17:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [-]

17:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00081676 = 5.9623 BTC [-]

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00749448 = 1.4989 BTC [+] {5}

17:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00749998 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}

17:46

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00749999 = 0.48 BTC [+] {3}

17:46

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-]

17:47

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1300 @ 0.00781599 = 10.1608 BTC [+] {9}

17:48

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.0079 = 0.6873 BTC [+]

~ 30 minutes ~

18:19

;;bc,stats

18:19

~ 17 minutes ~

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 14 @ 0.06122199 = 0.8571 BTC [+]

18:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-]

18:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00769998 = 0.9702 BTC [-] {4}

19:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.00799983 = 0.744 BTC [+] {6}

19:04

mhm, satoshidice has hefty Terms&Conditions nao. Of course:" Persons located in or residents of the United States and the United States Territories (the âProhibited Jurisdictionsâ) are not permitted make use of the Service."

19:06

i clicked "I disagree" and was let in :D

19:11

they check as hard as porn sites who ask you if you are 18 I guess

19:12

So LTC up 10% only today.

19:14

wao-wiggen

lol:D

19:16

skinnkavaj: what do these percents imply?

19:17

who cares. it was still better to sell earlier, which you should have done instead of getting all butthurt

19:18

pankkake: I am not daytrading

19:18

and now you're all day wishful thinking

19:18

I hold my LTC longterm

19:18

it's not about days

19:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00819242 = 0.8192 BTC [+] {6}

19:19

I have plenty of time to buy back if there ever is a reason. and here you're just bragging about daily little changes

19:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3794 @ 0.00081891 = 3.1069 BTC [+] {2}

19:20

pankkake: Trust me you are gonna buy in when it's too high already

19:21

I am spending all my LTC

19:21

Sent a mail to bitcoinity.org

19:21

about doing an litecoinity version if I pay him

19:21

Also hiring developers for new blockchain.info server with goal of making it better + LTC support

19:21

amazing mail!

19:21

AMAZING COMPANY!

19:22

I know

19:22

well litecoin certainly needs decent websites and alternative clients

19:22

He replied he will think about it

19:22

what's your budget, skinnkavaj?

19:22

He was on holiday

19:22

I mean it looks like there isn't even a web wallet

19:22

benkay: Why are you asking

19:23

always got my ears out for a new hustle

19:23

pankkake: Next friday I will launch a Litecoin service which will be kept secrete until it's live

19:23

me too

19:23

i'll secrete something

19:24

your secretions are safe with -assets

19:24

The secret is not that I am launching a litecoin service

19:24

Everyone could guess

19:25

That

19:25

from the ceaseless litecoin hype frothing from your face?

19:26

naw.

19:26

Correct.

19:26

benkay: Show me what you have developed earlier

19:26

pankkake: Armory and Trezor is coming with LTC support

19:26

Looking forward to that

19:27

source? especially for Armory which I follow closely

19:27

It's not like LTC is going away anytime soon. LTC is here to stay as long as BTC is here to stay. Then we might have another competing coin that take over in the future, but that will take a lot of time even if its better than BTC/LTC.

19:28

come on, stop with the empty "here to say" and "not going away", this means nothing

19:28

https://github.com/etotheipi/BitcoinArmory/issues/32

19:33

and copying every bitcoin service isn't enough - why use it if it has no clear advantage?

19:33

this always fail on the "why"

19:33

haven't you heard, it has mining for the undercapitalized

19:35

pankkake: If you think LTC will be dead in one year you must be blind. I feel sorry for you.

19:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [-]

19:35

it's bitcoin for people who want to be early adopter or want to use their gaming pcs, which is bad enough. but even ignoring that, I don't see anything compelling

19:36

"dead" is also an empty statement

19:36

and 1 year an arbitrary timeframe

19:36

all wrapped in a lovely strawman

19:36

but perhaps you should look at the history of altcoins

19:36

and feelings shouldn't have anything to do with that

19:37

pankkake: LTC is the first good copy cat of BTC. And like everyone know the first copycat always succeeds, while the others fail. Look at feathercoin, I don't see any future there.

19:38

It's important for the development to not become to corrupt, to have two strong open source currencies.

19:38

I hope your ltc "investment" decision has better foundations than that "everyone know"

19:38

…and you do not understand how Bitcoin works

19:38

or open source for the matter

19:39

OH yes I do, but I still see it's possible to infiltrate and try to destroy innovation even when it's open sourced.

19:39

open source is already a protection against developers being corrupt. you don't have to have a fork of every open source software to keep the developers in check. that would be insane

19:40

it happens when needed

19:40

but bitcoin is even harder to corrupt

19:40

but pankkake that doesn't prevent to corrupt innovate

19:40

changes have to be approved by the majority of the p2p network and even harder, the network

19:41

the miners*

19:41

just the pool ops really

19:41

pools can lose their miners

19:42

is there an altcoin list by date of introduction?

19:42

but miners are people and people are stupid

19:42

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00276 = 0.138 BTC [-]

19:43

pankkake: There was like 5-6 altcoins launched before LTC, but none of them were really good. One was premined, one was scrypt but not premined, LTC was the one that won. Now I am only waiting for the third coin, but that will take a lot of time to be decided.

19:44

you know what, i think you should talk to ozbot some more.

19:44

or pircea_momescu

19:44

;;seen ozbot

19:44

ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <ozbot> Re:Surgo

19:45

Omg LTC/USD 2.6

19:46

When is this minibubble crashing

19:46

there was a lot of hype about solidcoin IIRC. actually, it put me off bitcoin at that time. where is it now?

19:46

I thought you were not daytrading

19:46

I am not

19:47

why watch the price all the time?

19:47

pankkake hes just a trolliar

19:47

pankkake iirc it was revealed as scam

19:50

Daytrading is a fool's game pankkake.

19:50

I am not arguing for it, I am not weathly enough to make it worthwile anyway

19:50

But tbh sounds stupid to buy into LTC when it's already high pankkake, that sounds like a really stupid plan.

19:52

that bot is an ass

20:02

.bait

20:02

http://31.media.tumblr.com/b1f0feb59b74d7922c8641f9f1e9a791/tumblr_mfaiciB7G11rlp769o1_500.jpg

20:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00755 = 0.151 BTC [-]

20:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00755 = 0.5285 BTC [-] {2}

20:17

[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.06099999 = 0.305 BTC [-]

20:23

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]

20:28

<kakobrekla> you know what, i think you should talk to ozbot some more. <<

20:28

he stalking me :(

20:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.895 BTC [+]

20:41

oh man thats nice

20:43

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00108501 = 1.085 BTC [-] {4}

20:45

;;ticker

20:45

MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 213.00986, Best ask: 213.01000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00014, Last trade: 213.00986, 24 hour volume: 4358.73830996, 24 hour low: 211.02000, 24 hour high: 214.87996, 24 hour vwap: 213.03851

20:45

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00024444 = 0.2444 BTC [+] {2}

20:57

amusing that gox is still default for ticker

20:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18553 @ 0.00082617 = 15.3279 BTC [+] {2}

20:58

so this guy is the gatekeeper for all BIPs? Please send all BIP-related email to <gmaxwell@gmail.com>

20:58

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0001

20:59

which, actually, im suprised there isn't any comments yet. despite mp asking for commentary...

21:03

mod6: gotta re-read it three more times.

21:04

im on round two :]

21:05

read it for the first time about a week ago. now, re-reading after some thought.

21:06

im looking at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0010 further to see what it holds

21:09

does anyone know if TxDP "multi-signature transactions" have been implemented in bitcoind or whatever from bitcoin.org? | That page was last updated: This page was last modified on 18 January 2013, at 14:57.

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.897 = 2.691 BTC [+]

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gd i hate pdfs

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.897 = 1.794 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00276056 = 0.1159 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.008 = 0.616 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 208 @ 0.00813745 = 1.6926 BTC [+] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.002779 = 0.2223 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00818995 = 1.0319 BTC [+] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00819 = 0.86 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00082847 = 3.8938 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00818799 = 0.1556 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.008188 = 0.1883 BTC [+]

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you know whats bizzare? not having to translate trilema.com from ro to en

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:D

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lol mod6

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chtulhu now speaks your language

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00818 = 0.638 BTC [-]

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haha :}

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lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00082868 = 3.7705 BTC [+]

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so as in the Lamport scheme: RNG produces 256 p & q respectively (512 hashes total), each 256 bits in size these combined are the privkey (p1->256+q1->256 )all of these together equal the privkey. and the pubkey is each of the 512 p's & q's hashed (256 bit) and concatenated together?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamport_signature

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mod6: trying to implement provable-share secret-splitting?

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haha, i'd like to implement it. but i gotta make sure i have my head wrapped around it first :)

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there's probably a thousand ways to do it.

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tricky bit is: to avoid leaking key.

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yeah, i like how simplistic it seems.

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normally in a secret-splitter, the individual shares are indistinguishable from noise.

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if your application doesn't need the provability part, use ordinary (e.g. Shamir's) secret-splitter.

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it (provably) 'does what's printed on the box.'

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(proof is an exercise for alert reader.)

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ahh, as far as leaking key part: Obviously should you reuse the same key to sign a different message you’ll be leaking key bits and eventually your key can be brokenii. << noted.

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mod6: that's true of any signature algo that uses a nonce

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what i meant was something rather more subtle

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if the shares are distinguishable from noise, they contain information which pertains to the key. (obvious.) hence said information must be a 'one way' ticket.

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(must conjecture that trapdoors exist. naturally)

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so k of m shares gives you key, but k-1 should give you bupkis.

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simplest way i can think of is rsa with >2 private primes (lamport, or see MP's writeup)

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thanks for your input asciilifeform.

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exercise for the (very) alert reader: come up with a scheme where you can prove the actual number of distinct shareholders, given their pubkeys (allowed to assume they aren't all sockpuppets)

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that is, for all pubkeys, for each - can prove that it is a share. and that no others exist.

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does this matter in the case where the dealer is a shithead?

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well, dealer presumably has the key being split

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082339 = 12.5155 BTC [-] {2}

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for extra points: 'byzantine' scheme, sans dealer.

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that is, players agree on what constitutes a 'go' signal, and arrive at a set of split secrets that can be added up to said signal, verifiably - without a dealer.

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oh ok

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hmm.

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see 'millionaire protocol' for hint.

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socialist millionaire problem || http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_millionaire

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right

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damnit, you guys are smrt.

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mod6: not like i thought up any of this personally

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still

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to those following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir's_Secret_Sharing

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anyway, i was very intetersted in the VPSS scheme even though i'm sort of deep into implementing cramer-shoup into libgcrypt.

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thought i should dig into this article & related papers.

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with any luck i'll get CS working within the libgcrypt framework then can mod gnupg to utilize it.

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Dang am I happy I bought asicminer last week, that paid off really quickly

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.0081 = 0.8181 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.389898 BTC [+]

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Each Lamport public key can only be used to sign one single message, which means many keys have to be published if many messages are to be signed. But a hash tree can be used on those public keys, publishing the top hash of the hash tree instead. This increases the size of the resulting signature, since parts of the hash tree have to be included in the signature, but it makes it possible to publish a single hash that then can be used to verify an

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from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamport_signature

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<3 crypto

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle_signature_scheme

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sound familiar? haha

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'all who don't understand btc, are doomed to reinvent it'

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:]

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are you still into urbit?

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me? never really was, aside from having solved the 'entrance exam'

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tried to talk some sense into the author back in '10

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that building on c/unix is a mistake

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.8100096 = 8.1001 BTC [-] {3}

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now he and the merry band are fighting memory leaks, inexplicable crashes, and other joys.

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one of these guys has a hardon for implemeting xrp with it directly instead of btc, can't shake him.

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all entirely unnecessary, and crap i want no part of.

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yeah, it basically works, until they change something then you have to re-pull all source and rebuild, etc.

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the idea of implementing something on urbit would be more interesting if the thing actually worked.

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pretty shakey still

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ya

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there is such a thing as an 'impedance mismatch.'

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a 'from scratch' OS on top of the world's 2nd biggest steaming turd is a bad thing, regardless of how close it can be brought to an approximation of working, through brute sweat.

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this kind of thing has to be done from silicon up.

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haha do you mean unix to be the 2nd biggest steaming turd?

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right.

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