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00:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 12 @ 0.04149 = 0.4979 BTC [+]
00:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19841 @ 0.0001403 = 2.7837 BTC [+]
00:12	dub	;;isitdown bitcointalk.org
00:12	gribble	bitcointalk.org is up
00:12	dub	boo
00:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 26 @ 0.009001 = 0.234 BTC [-]
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00:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0008323 = 2.5801 BTC [-]
00:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.45719999 = 14.572 BTC [+] {4}
00:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+]
00:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [+]
00:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.261 BTC [-]
00:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.0001402 = 0.1402 BTC [-]
00:47	assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3000 @ 0.00121905 = 3.6572 BTC [-] {4}
00:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3066 @ 0.00014799 = 0.4537 BTC [+] {2}
00:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.44 BTC [+]
01:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 17000 @ 0.00017053 = 2.899 BTC [+] {5}
01:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [+]
01:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.01375 = 0.1925 BTC [+]
01:21	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.0001408 = 0.2816 BTC [-]
01:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [+]
01:23	mircea_popescu	ahhh, good morning boys and girls.
01:27	VanCleef	ITS BACK MP ITS BACK, thank christ
01:28	mircea_popescu	what is ?
01:28	VanCleef	bitcointalk
01:30	mircea_popescu	o hey.
01:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1082 @ 0.01419516 = 15.3592 BTC [+] {10}
01:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 1.4399875 = 11.5199 BTC [+] {2}
01:40	thestringpuller	lol good morning
01:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 16 @ 0.00812487 = 0.13 BTC [-] {2}
01:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12885 @ 0.00083583 = 10.7697 BTC [+]
01:44	Diablo-D3	holy shit
01:45	Diablo-D3	bitcointalk is back
01:48	Apocalyptic	yup
01:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 70 @ 0.03 = 2.1 BTC [-]
01:56	VanCleef	and asicminer tanks haha
01:58	Diablo-D3	no
01:58	Diablo-D3	asicminer is heavy weapons guy
01:59	Diablo-D3	<friedcat> WHO TOUCH SASHA
02:00	thestringpuller	Diablo-D3 haven't seen you in awhile
02:00	Diablo-D3	but... Ive been here! the whole time!
02:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3514 @ 0.0001418 = 0.4983 BTC [+]
02:01	thestringpuller	they see me lurkin'
02:01	thestringpuller	they hatin'
02:02	thestringpuller	where has bugpowder been
02:02	thestringpuller	;;seen Bugpowder
02:02	gribble	Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 12 hours, 7 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> So the mechs thing was a hoax or waht?
02:02	thestringpuller	oh wow he just kinda sneaks in
02:16	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-breach-post-mortem/
02:16	ozbot	MPEx breach - post mortem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
02:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 54 @ 0.03379054 = 1.8247 BTC [-] {9}
02:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00083923 = 1.091 BTC [+]
02:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.0145 = 1.0005 BTC [+] {3}
02:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 365 @ 0.00083847 = 0.306 BTC [-]
02:40	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 31 @ 0.006211 = 0.1925 BTC [-]
02:49	jurov	mornin
02:50	jurov	http://www.coindesk.com/lamassu-ships-first-bitcoin-atm/ we have fun here in bratislava guessing who ordered it
02:50	jurov	cuz nobody is admiting it
02:50	jurov	*admitting
02:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8741 @ 0.00083213 = 7.2736 BTC [-] {2}
02:53	Apocalyptic	morning
03:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.0145 = 0.232 BTC [+]
03:04	mircea_popescu	jurov o hey, there was a bet to that effect too
03:05	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/358/bitcoin-atm-will-have-at-least-one-atm/
03:05	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin ATM will have at least one ATM unit up and running by the end of September 2013
03:05	mircea_popescu	aww no, there WAS.
03:05	jurov	bitbet time runs too fast
03:08	mircea_popescu	ya srsly.
03:08	mircea_popescu	it's like... two weeks normal time turn into 18 months of bitbet time.
03:08	mircea_popescu	it's a total timescam.
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03:28	mod6	benkay_: Ahh, I've read more now on the urbit. I see what you mean by the 9-times thing as temporary. And after reading Datskovskiy's comments it's interesting that it was put in to begin with.
03:28	mod6	has anyone had trouble with the urbit terminal being like really slow?
03:30	mod6	I rebuild my sub just a bit ago because of this (http://www.urbit.org/2013/10/06/nicu.html), seems to be a bit more responsive.. but not what i would expect.
03:30	mod6	(was worse before the update it seems to me... but still laaags a bit.)
03:35	jurov	should be compiled with -O99 -funroll-all-loops
03:50	mircea_popescu	mod6 well when the whole planet is one computer...
03:50	mircea_popescu	probably some dolphin somewhere upset the flow of chi
03:50	mircea_popescu	(TLDR: to keep using Urbit, delete all your pre-10/6 data, git pull the source again, make clean, make, and start over. Your destroyers and tickets will keep working. No, this will not keep happening, though it may happen once or twice again.) << preserved for futurosity.
03:51	mod6	yeah, that was pretty interesting. like the first day I look into it, i have to blow everything away and start over.
03:52	mircea_popescu	well at least 11k people have watching and thus therefore everyone knows the guy's name and admires his work or how did it go.
03:52	mircea_popescu	but anyway ; satoshi forked btc too. it happens
03:53	mod6	jurov: you trollin'?
03:54	mod6	mircea_popescu: yeah, i recloned the repos and rebuilt. works fine. it's early in the project so, yeah shit happens.
03:55	mircea_popescu	mod6 in other news, http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#comment-95441 haskelites hate it.
03:56	mod6	jurov: -funroll-all-loops
03:57	mod6	Perform the optimization of loop unrolling. This is done for all loops and usually makes programs run more slowly. `-funroll-all-loops' implies `-fstrength-reduce' as well as `-frerun-cse-after-loop'.
03:57	mod6	so yah, 9/10
03:57	mod6	:P
03:59	jurov	mod6 yeah trolling... couldn't resist as long-time gentoo user :)
04:01	jurov	au! don't tell me you *did* recompile it?
04:01	mircea_popescu	violence is not the loop.
04:01	mod6	yeah, it seems that this guy Curtis Yarvin kinda goes against the grain with this one. im not a haskell guy or what not, so I'm not real sure what to think just yet.
04:01	mod6	haha, yeah.
04:02	mod6	im a dumbass for listening to you
04:02	mircea_popescu	well i guess i get to use kako's bash for the first time ever.
04:02	mod6	i tried to find a solution to this problem on the fuckin google groups thing and there was a thread about it.
04:02	mod6	but it wasn't helpful what-so-ever.
04:02	mod6	maybe its just a pile of shit
04:02	mod6	im not sure what to think about this thing yet.
04:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00126896 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2}
04:04	mircea_popescu	me either.
04:04	mircea_popescu	and i don't even know cs.
04:04	mod6	well, either do i. i was just trolled by jurov.
04:05	mod6	im gonna quit this shit and go work at walmart selling plants.
04:05	mircea_popescu	you could put on a bikini, place yourself in a pot and sell yourself as a bikini clad potted plant.
04:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 347 @ 0.0145 = 5.0315 BTC [+]
04:07	mod6	haha. i'll even do a dance move for a quick .01 BTC
04:07	mod6	aight, now that i've got this thing back to non-suck mode...
04:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0146 = 0.292 BTC [+] {2}
04:08	mircea_popescu	~tasfyn-partyv/try=> :reset
04:08	mircea_popescu	This will replace all the Arvo code, including Hoon in Hoon itself, and keep your data intact - even running processes.
04:08	mircea_popescu	this later part is good.
04:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.01481954 = 0.2519 BTC [+] {4}
04:09	mod6	yeah, thats pretty awesome.
04:11	mircea_popescu	when was the last time, say, a Google app lost your data?
04:11	mircea_popescu	bwaghahaha.
04:11	mircea_popescu	remember mybitcoin ?
04:11	mircea_popescu	or no wait. what was it, that polish exchange that mtgox boight
04:11	mircea_popescu	because the guy had all the btc in the cloud and lost the instance.
04:12	mod6	yeah haha.
04:12	mod6	i wanna say that happened a few times even.
04:12	mod6	*poof*
04:13	jurov	but afaik urbit has everything versioned
04:13	mircea_popescu	"<mircea_popescu> hi all." < i said something on #urbit.
04:13	mircea_popescu	which from what i gather is NOT run on urbit ?
04:14	mod6	haha, nice. i just joined in over there a few mins ago too.
04:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+]
04:15	mod6	CY said he didn't want to do an irc channel because urbit can be sort of like IRC in and of itself. but in the mean time he'll set one up until it gets further along.
04:15	mod6	i figure, maybe they can help my urbit n00bness until i get my sealegs.
04:17	jurov	these ships...it's a PONZI
04:20	mod6	are you getting good with hoon, jurov
04:20	mod6	?
04:21	jurov	no only read these docs and filed it for later
04:21	mod6	ahh. im trying to familiarize myself with these 'runes'
04:21	mod6	its not as bad as brainfuck, but not by much
04:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00083632 = 6.9415 BTC [+] {2}
04:23	jurov	decided to do some overdue upgrades instead...got unexpected 50% cpu usage decrease :)
04:24	mod6	nice
04:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 800 @ 0.00015 = 0.12 BTC [-] {3}
04:27	pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/uy6icfj.png
04:28	mircea_popescu	lol
04:28	mircea_popescu	seems about right
04:34	mod6	i haven't used an LSB system since i worked on porting fbsd to sparc64
04:34	mircea_popescu	i thought they're unconstitutional anyway
04:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00083923 = 5.2452 BTC [+]
04:43	mod6	heheh, well since x86 intel, its not been nearly as widely used. i think that network addresses are all passed in lsb though, and then they added htonl/s ntohl/s for translation, etc.
04:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 23200 @ 0.00017773 = 4.1233 BTC [+] {5}
04:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.01375 = 0.275 BTC [-]
04:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12286 @ 0.00083404 = 10.247 BTC [-] {2}
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05:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01375 = 0.1375 BTC [-]
05:21	bitesak	;;ticker
05:21	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.75000, Best ask: 136.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 135.75000, 24 hour volume: 6768.60069259, 24 hour low: 134.10000, 24 hour high: 139.00000, 24 hour vwap: 136.55720
05:22	bitesak	there is a new listing on mpex ! whoooa
05:27	mod6	cool, there is a hoon.vim
05:31	bitesak	hoonhoon.vim?
05:33	mircea_popescu	wait, does this mean a vim implementation ?
05:36	mod6	haha, no i wish.
05:37	mod6	just a vim script for unix so the syntax can be color-highlighted. didn't mean to get yall excited.
05:37	mod6	there is another that seems to try to translate scribbles to runes, but I haven't gotten it to work on my vim yet.
05:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 29 @ 0.0415331 = 1.2045 BTC [+] {3}
05:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00083877 = 8.178 BTC [+] {2}
05:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.04 = 0.28 BTC [-]
05:58	mircea_popescu	i suspect this is currently the largest productivity sink in it.
05:58	mircea_popescu	also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spellcasting_101:_Sorcerers_Get_All_The_Girls
05:59	ystarnaud	lol
06:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.088 = 0.352 BTC [-]
06:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 100 @ 0.008 = 0.8 BTC [-]
06:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4337 @ 0.0008323 = 3.6097 BTC [-] {2}
06:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+]
06:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00295875 = 0.1124 BTC [+] {2}
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06:42	mod6	this urbit thing is wacky
06:42	mircea_popescu	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/06/argentina-president-cristina-fernandez-brain-haematoma
06:42	ozbot	Argentina's president Cristina Fernandez suffers brain haematoma | World news | theguardian.com
06:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 2.39 BTC [+]
06:46	mircea_popescu	"Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2: Gas Pump Girls Meet the Pulsating Inconvenience from Planet X!"
06:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 2.8 BTC [+]
06:50	mod6	its like i wanna go down this rabbit hole and figure this thing out, but I don't think im smart enough or something.
06:53	mod6	the guy says, "urbit will always run on top of unix." but d00d also wants this to surpass *nix at some point...
06:54	mircea_popescu	mod6 http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#comment-95448 << average people have trouble FINDING IT
06:54	mircea_popescu	i think you may be smart enough.
06:54	mod6	(Chapter 1.7): If a real OS runs on the bare hardware and is preemptive, it’s clear that Arvo is not a real OS and will never be one. It will always run on Unix. Of course in a sense it comes to bury Unix, but also to praise it - to imitate it - and even to surpass it.
06:55	mod6	Unix today is ancient, bloated and debilitated, but its historic greatness is eternal. Comparing Unix to other OSes of its time is comparing Shakespeare to other playwrights of his time.
06:55	mod6	But, ya know, times change. How do we surpass Unix? We’ve got two words for you - typed pipes!
06:55	mircea_popescu	actually marlowe was not that bad
06:55	mircea_popescu	this is an argument to ignorance
06:56	mod6	So far, and i've only spent a few hours on it, but I'm so hoplessly lost on hoon, that i don't see how this could be more useful than unix at this point.
06:56	mod6	i mean, it needs unix to run to begin with... so wtf
06:57	mod6	at somepoint it'll have to run out of a chip directly or some other interpreter or interface to wholly replace unix
06:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 1.43852172 = 33.086 BTC [-] {5}
06:58	mod6	I still think its pretty cool, and I'm probably just derp. But I'm not convinced that I'm not being trolled somehow.
06:58	mircea_popescu	if indeed the specification is as short as presented, it's prolly trivial to build asics that execute it natively
06:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00084024 = 7.016 BTC [+] {2}
07:00	mod6	yeah, the nock is like, very short. and the hoon compiler itself is really small.
07:01	mod6	this page is pretty lulzy, whomever wrote it was just guessing at a lot of the stuff: https://github.com/urbit/urbit/wiki/Decoding-Hoon
07:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 56 @ 0.008 = 0.448 BTC [-]
07:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+]
07:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.04 = 0.6 BTC [-]
07:08	mod6	anyway, i dunno, i still think its pretty neat if its not an epic troll. i submitted for my destroyers, so we'll see where that goes.
07:08	mircea_popescu	it's still neat even if it is an epic troll.
07:08	mircea_popescu	what difference does that make ?
07:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15894 @ 0.0001812 = 2.88 BTC [+] {4}
07:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 6599 @ 0.00020115 = 1.3274 BTC [+] {3}
07:10	mod6	haha, none i guess. i just hope that even if it is a troll, it can be made into something useful.
07:10	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 900 @ 0.000226 = 0.2034 BTC [+] {2}
07:11	mircea_popescu	now that all depends i ghuess :p
07:11	KRS1	good morning from the states.
07:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.445 = 10.115 BTC [+]
07:16	mircea_popescu	ello
07:17	mod6	(What happens if there’s an error? Like, a type error? Duh, the compiler crashes. Hey, at Yale, what do they do if there’s an error? I don’t know but it’s probably some kind of fancy exception thing.
07:17	mod6	haha
07:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 850 @ 0.000226 = 0.1921 BTC [+]
07:19	mircea_popescu	amazing compiler.
07:19	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
07:19	mod6	:)
07:22	mod6	it'd be cool to see if all of these destroyers can easily talk to one-another from distributed hosts worldwide. then maybe it'd be neat to try to develop a p2p or distributed encrypted irc network.
07:23	mod6	either public or private nodes.
07:23	daybyter	make smartphone nodes. They are harder to block...
07:23	mod6	the syntax is so gnarly that it seems like it would be hard to develop, but i suppose that one you get the hang of it...
07:24	mod6	*once
07:24	mircea_popescu	that funny moment when you realise urbit is discussed in 500 lines on #bitcoin-assets and in 5 lines on #urbit
07:25	mod6	lol
07:25	mod6	my bad
07:28	mod6	daybyter: its too bad really, these devices are like the NSA data-collector nodes. i don't even trust the snapdragon chips in 'em any more really.
07:28	mircea_popescu	mod6 wasn't implying it's a bad thing, on the contrary
07:29	mircea_popescu	gotta discuss where the brainz are.
07:29	mod6	ah, ok :)
07:29	daybyter	but it's easier to shutdown servers than mobiles...
07:29	mircea_popescu	is it ?
07:30	blastbob	depends..
07:31	mod6	for instance, in current form, urbit does key-gen right off the start. i'd hesitate to launch an instance with that software thats native (unless rooted and running something like cyanogen -- even then do we trust that either?)
07:31	mod6	and besides do we trust chip makers any more either?
07:33	mircea_popescu	mod6 im listening to this and pasting in the nsa "to do" list :D
07:33	mod6	haha
07:35	mod6	i suppose that something like urbit could actually live inside of other software eventually as some sort of embedded system. or if it ever took the leap to native hardware, it could run on some sort of FPGA or pre-set asic chip.
07:35	mod6	someone needs to write a network stack for it.
07:36	mod6	lol that'll be ishy in hoon!
07:36	ThickAsThieves	kncsplosion http://imgur.com/2UZuUzH
07:38	mod6	oo started a fire in her panties huh?
07:39	mircea_popescu	what burned there, the controller or what ?
07:39	ThickAsThieves	looks like a small transformer or something
07:39	ThickAsThieves	but i have no idea
07:40	ThickAsThieves	two mor epics http://imgur.com/a/hyA3a
07:41	KRS1	lol nice whats that a transistor
07:41	VanCleef	ThickAsThieves ?
07:41	blastbob	they say its 2-3 boards this has happend to, but not confirmed
07:41	ThickAsThieves	i only have intro knowledge of these things, but i'd guess a small transformer
07:41	KRS1	ya
07:42	mircea_popescu	A year after the 1994 Digital Telephony bill passed, the FBI disclosed plans to require the phone companies to build into their infrastructure the capacity to simultaneously wiretap one percent of all phone calls in all major US cities. This would represent more than a thousandfold increase over previous levels in the number of phones that could be wiretapped. In previous years, there were only about 1000 court-ordered w
07:42	mircea_popescu	year, at the federal, state, and local levels combined.
07:42	mircea_popescu	https://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/testimony/index.html
07:42	ozbot	Phil Zimmermann's Senate Testimony
07:42	mircea_popescu	this shit's so much fun to read, 20 years later.
07:42	KRS1	nice skidmark
07:43	mod6	<3 Phil
07:43	mircea_popescu	thjat last thing is an exploded capacitor.
07:43	mircea_popescu	which really just means bad capacitor.
07:43	mircea_popescu	;;google capacitor disease
07:43	gribble	Capacitor plague - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague>; PSA: TiVo HD's Hit By Capacitor Plague! - DealDatabase Forum: <http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/showthread.php?64059-PSA-TiVo-HD-s-Hit-By-Capacitor-Plague!>; How do you define capacitor in good condition - WikiAnswers: (1 more message)
07:43	ThickAsThieves	i've only ever seen cylindrical capacitors
07:43	ThickAsThieves	again i'm a noob
07:44	mod6	ya my guy says they are caps too
07:45	ThickAsThieves	i suppose it would be weird to have that many small transistors anyway
07:45	mod6	lol he says its 'bodged'
07:47	mod6	he says he could be wrong and they might be 'some kinda funky resistor'
07:47	mod6	*shrug*
07:48	thestringpuller	mod6 is here
07:48	thestringpuller	just as I have to leave
07:48	thestringpuller	I h8 you no
07:48	thestringpuller	w
07:48	thestringpuller	nao*
07:48	thestringpuller	I am revoking our frienship
07:48	thestringpuller	jkjk
07:48	KRS1	heh
07:48	mod6	HEH. been here all night talkin about urbit :]
07:48	thestringpuller	i been up all night trynna get ma money right
07:49	mircea_popescu	yeah what im getting as most likely story is that they bought as cheap parts as they could find, and ended up with a batch of shitty caps.
07:49	mircea_popescu	which you know... blow.
07:49	KRS1	stack the rest of the yams in my auntie's house..and then what!
07:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 103 @ 0.0848997 = 8.7447 BTC [+] {2}
07:50	KRS1	peace out folks time to get fresh and jump into one of them cars
07:53	mod6	info on flaming board from my buddy: http://pastebin.com/AbAr6Mcv
07:53	KRS1	Check out my friend's hotrod caddilac..finally got a chance to see it in action last night. Its more or less a corvette in a suit and tie http://s540.beta.photobucket.com/user/LivernoisMotorsports/library/Pauls%20V
07:57	mod6	that one comes straight from GM 'eh? is that the 502?
08:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.0136 = 0.1904 BTC [-]
08:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084028 = 7.8566 BTC [+]
08:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15905 @ 0.00015472 = 2.4608 BTC [-] {6}
08:04	KRS1	yeah
08:05	KRS1	we are a couple of long time gear heads I have a 1986 t-top mustang 5.0 drag car thats real fun dont get much chance to play with it though.
08:07	KRS1	thats not the 502 its a small block stroked to 400+ ci all fuel injected obviously
08:08	mod6	KRS1: ahh. ok.
08:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00083206 = 1.5809 BTC [-]
		~ 15 minutes ~
08:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50000 @ 0.00015287 = 7.6435 BTC [-] {10}
08:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 44410 @ 0.00015008 = 6.6651 BTC [-] {7}
08:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10000 @ 0.00015 = 1.5 BTC [-]
08:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.36245454 = 29.974 BTC [-] {3}
08:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 1.32882352 = 22.59 BTC [-] {4}
08:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0130049 = 0.6632 BTC [-] {3}
08:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 1.3218222 = 6.6091 BTC [-] {3}
08:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.3 = 6.5 BTC [-]
08:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2722 @ 0.0001502 = 0.4088 BTC [+]
08:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00026845 = 0.1342 BTC [-]
08:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.0001502 = 0.3004 BTC [+]
08:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10908 @ 0.00015009 = 1.6372 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 22 minutes ~
09:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19603 @ 0.0001481 = 2.9032 BTC [-]
09:23	gecko_x2	btct down?
09:23	gecko_x2	forgot to check if i have any btc there :\
09:23	gecko_x2	damnit
09:23	Rulother	It's down for me
09:23	ThickAsThieves	Hopefully not down for good yet
09:23	Rulother	^
09:24	ThickAsThieves	I have fresh AM1 xfers to verify...
09:24	ThickAsThieves	he should lock all assets first
09:24	Rulother	http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/btct.co.html
09:24	ozbot	Btct.co - Is Btct Down Right Now?
09:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 13 @ 0.033 = 0.429 BTC [-]
09:28	gecko_x2	hmm
09:32	mircea_popescu	wasn't it announced for today and everytjhing ?
09:32	ThickAsThieves	yes, but he had hinted that it would be late in the day, if I recall
09:42	turbo_ac100	gecko_x2, site seems up but API access doesn't work
09:43	turbo_ac100	litecoinglobal works though.
09:44	Rulother	so tat how many transfers are you working on?
09:45	ThickAsThieves	all in all i think it's nearly 2000
09:46	gecko_x2	hmm
09:46	gecko_x2	works through tor for me
09:46	gecko_x2	but not directly
09:46	ThickAsThieves	all are xfers other than TAT.AM are caught up and awaiting assistance from the exchange operators to render the shares
09:47	mircea_popescu	that sounds like quite the caseload there.
09:47	ThickAsThieves	Bitfunder could be a problem
09:47	ThickAsThieves	as manual rendering of shares would be insanely time-consuming
09:48	ThickAsThieves	since Ukyo has 2fa required on every xfer
09:50	Rulother	Gross
09:50	Rulother	Well I had my shit transfered to Havelock
09:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5354 @ 0.00083667 = 4.4795 BTC [+]
09:59	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4811382/100-dollar-us-bill-goes-into-circulation-october-8
09:59	ozbot	Smarter $100 bill goes into circulation tomorrow | The Verge
10:02	ThickAsThieves	Burnside is selling the site software with a condition that whomever uses it must block US users.
10:02	ThickAsThieves	Can that even be enforced?
10:03	Rulother	Ciphermine wanted to buy it didn
10:03	Rulother	didn't they? *
10:03	ThickAsThieves	yeah
10:03	ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt use it in that case
10:03	kakobrekla	cipermine sold 5btw of shares to pay for her wedding
10:03	kakobrekla	btw = btc
10:03	ThickAsThieves	she was married at taco bell?
10:04	Rulother	lol
10:04	kakobrekla	how is she going to pay for btctc
10:04	kakobrekla	acting like she is capable of reglbseing it
10:05	ThickAsThieves	heh, btct.co won't load so I tried Tor,
10:05	ThickAsThieves	This Domain Name Has Expired
10:05	ThickAsThieves	maybe that's why he chose today
10:05	Rulother	lol works fine for me
10:05	ThickAsThieves	cached?
10:06	ThickAsThieves	i cant load it
10:06	ThickAsThieves	are you in the US?
10:06	Rulother	logged in and sold a share
10:06	Kleeck__	Mine is loading as well.
10:06	Kleeck__	Was down earlier.
10:06	Kleeck__	Not cached.
10:06	ThickAsThieves	lame
10:06	ThickAsThieves	are you in the US?
10:06	Kleeck__	I am.
10:07	ThickAsThieves	hrm
10:07	ThickAsThieves	wtf
10:07	ThickAsThieves	can you tell me the ip for the site?
10:07	jcpham	127.09.01
10:07	ThickAsThieves	hehe
10:08	jcpham	satoshi's IP
10:08	mircea_popescu	whoever made network connectors so that usb sticks fit neatly inside IS A FUCKING IDIOT
10:08	mircea_popescu	either that or she works for adobe.
10:08	jcpham	meliisa mayer
10:08	ThickAsThieves	marissa*
10:08	jcpham	that too
10:08	mircea_popescu	burn her anyway.
10:09	jcpham	clariisa tells all
10:09	mircea_popescu	http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18lij3zuxsp71png/original.png
10:09	jcpham	lsl!
10:10	ThickAsThieves	http://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/btct.co
10:10	ozbot	Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?
10:10	ThickAsThieves	*something* is going on
10:11	kakobrekla	can you has state in you dns!?
10:12	ThickAsThieves	that's network propagation
10:12	ThickAsThieves	not dns of states
10:13	kakobrekla	no
10:13	kakobrekla	i mean your federal state in your dns server
10:14	ThickAsThieves	i assume those are cooperating providers that are just reporting what DNS they see for any given domain
10:14	ThickAsThieves	not sure it has anything to do with the DNS of the site
10:14	kakobrekla	nah they fiddle with them
10:14	kakobrekla	maybe not in btctc's case but otherwse
10:15	ThickAsThieves	btct is also using cloudflare, those two long addresses
10:15	ThickAsThieves	i have people transferring AM-PT shares to me which i can't verify...
10:16	Kleeck__	Well, maybe someone should've taken care of his share transfers BEFORE vacationing in Cyprus! ;P
10:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47989999 BTC [+]
10:19	ThickAsThieves	your quip is inaccurate (and impossible)
10:19	ThickAsThieves	these are new xfers
10:19	ThickAsThieves	and migrating before I left would've been impossible time-wise
10:19	imsaguy	Kleeck__, he's online now, isn't he?
10:19	jcpham	i haerd burnside was playing a halloween prank and btct.cp isn't actually closing
10:20	ThickAsThieves	I heard the same thing like 30secs ago
10:20	jcpham	seems legit
10:20	bitesak	vacationing in Cyprus ?
10:20	ThickAsThieves	no
10:20	ThickAsThieves	businessing
10:20	kakobrekla	o, retard talk forum is down
10:20	kakobrekla	em
10:20	kakobrekla	back up
10:20	Kleeck__	I was joking, for the record.
10:20	kakobrekla	i know cause i lost the bet, dammit.
10:21	imsaguy	"now with improved security!"
10:21	kakobrekla	oh?
10:21	kakobrekla	lieak what
10:21	imsaguy	"We hash your passwords 100000 times"
10:21	jcpham	captchas
10:21	jcpham	everywhere
10:21	bitesak	I trust the businessing is with Bitcoins ?
10:21	ThickAsThieves	scammers extending there forum auctions :/
10:22	jcpham	seems like dramatalk would hire smf dev
10:23	jcpham	is there a such thing as a simple machines dev
10:23	pankkake	simple minded dev?
10:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285551 = 0.2856 BTC [-] {4}
10:27	Kleeck__	Btct.co is down for me now as well, ThickAsThieves
10:28	ThickAsThieves	I asked Burnside to remove you
10:31	imsaguy	Is there a bet for how long until the forum passwords are cracked?
10:35	mircea_popescu	imsaguy not afaik
10:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.01359998 = 0.204 BTC [-]
10:36	Kleeck__	Last I heard the "sample list" was a verified fake.
10:36	mircea_popescu	<imsaguy> "We hash your passwords 100000 times" << this.
10:36	imsaguy	I'm well aware Kleeck__
10:36	mircea_popescu	no salt, more hashing
10:37	ThickAsThieves	Havelock rocks. They built a special tool just for me to process migrations :)
10:37	imsaguy	Until they shut down too
10:37	imsaguy	<.<
10:38	Rulother	I do like Havelock
10:38	Rulother	What was the word from them regarding allowing new assets to come over
10:38	Kleeck__	I believe they said, "No."
10:39	ThickAsThieves	I don't know the official word, but I think they denied most, if not all
10:39	ThickAsThieves	I do hope they at least accommodate Deprived
10:43	gecko_x2	got my remaining btc transferred off btct in the last min.. over TOR
10:44	Kleeck__	Why are you using TOR?
10:44	gecko_x2	btct was down over regular net
10:44	gecko_x2	for me
10:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.28877777 = 11.599 BTC [-] {3}
10:44	gecko_x2	others are also having issues
10:45	mircea_popescu	weird.
10:47	gecko_x2	so sad
10:47	gecko_x2	there prolly won't be another exchange unless it's distributed / p2p
10:48	gecko_x2	maybe coloured coins
10:48	gecko_x2	or
10:48	gecko_x2	maybe the world will finally rush back to MPEX :)
10:49	mircea_popescu	herp.
10:49	mircea_popescu	you know i can always tell the people who have an account from those who don't,
10:49	mircea_popescu	cause the former know it's a small x.
10:50	ThickAsThieves	i do prefer all caps, but ever since seeing you correct someone i use x, in compliance
10:50	ThickAsThieves	although i do have an accocunt
10:50	ThickAsThieves	acoconut
10:51	ThickAsThieves	:)
10:51	gecko_x2	a cocunt?
10:51	gecko_x2	erm
10:51	gecko_x2	anywais
10:51	gecko_x2	everyone is now waiting for the mad rush into actm :p
10:51	ThickAsThieves	?
10:52	ThickAsThieves	why would anyone rush to actm
10:52	ThickAsThieves	it's like boring by now, no?
10:52	gecko_x2	well
10:52	mircea_popescu	lol i has a coconut and banging it together!
10:52	gecko_x2	compared to LC it's still amazing company!
10:52	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
10:53	mircea_popescu	no. 0 compared to 0 is actually still 0.
10:53	ThickAsThieves	a rose by any other name
10:53	gecko_x2	it's going to nine thousand!
10:54	imsaguy	at least 9001
10:55	nubbins`	ISO 9001 certified?
10:58	gecko_x2	so what are we gonna do in here?
10:58	gecko_x2	:p
10:58	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: whoever made network connectors so that usb sticks fit neatly inside IS A FUCKING IDIOT
10:58	nubbins`	lel
10:58	nubbins`	cue every single time i wonder why my device isn't recognized
10:58	nubbins`	"oh, wait"
10:58	mircea_popescu	ikr ?
10:59	gecko_x2	they could have designed the fuckers to work regardless of which way is up
10:59	mircea_popescu	that goes against family values.
10:59	nubbins`	i don't think a usb drive will work in your ethernet port in ANY orientation
10:59	nubbins`	straight or otherwise
11:00	gecko_x2	point is there is no reason to restrict which way a usb connector is plugged in
11:01	pankkake	but that's the other way around, network port predates usb port
11:01	gecko_x2	now roughly 50% of plug attempts fail
11:01	gecko_x2	or according to murphy, atleast 51%
11:01	gecko_x2	i'm not talking about ethernet ports
11:01	gecko_x2	usb ports
11:01	gecko_x2	and how the USB standard sux
11:02	pankkake	yes, usb ports are also bad that way
11:02	pankkake	I wonder how they managed to fail that much
11:02	nubbins`	design by committee
11:02	nubbins`	it was destined to fail
11:02	gecko_x2	there is already a much better working solution
11:02	gecko_x2	been around since the 70's
11:02	nubbins`	thunderbolt? ;p
11:02	nubbins`	o
11:03	gecko_x2	3.5mm DIN plugs
11:03	nubbins`	DIN for the WIN!
11:03	gecko_x2	or the standard headphone plug
11:03	gecko_x2	works every time
11:03	ThickAsThieves	"hack" to get BTCT to load: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3293061#msg3293061
11:03	ThickAsThieves	works
11:03	nubbins`	standard headphone plug is a very poot design
11:03	nubbins`	1/8"
11:03	nubbins`	they break so easily
11:03	nubbins`	poot?
11:03	gecko_x2	nah
11:03	ThickAsThieves	never broken a headphone jack in my life
11:03	nubbins`	yep
11:03	pankkake	the thing that usb provided aren't really hardware/connector related, but a very cheap protocol
11:03	gecko_x2	worked fine for me for decades
11:03	nubbins`	i break them regularly
11:04	gecko_x2	maybe you should work on your motor skills :)'
11:04	pankkake	I broke one or two portable players headphone jacks
11:04	nubbins`	altho to be fair i'm using heavy 1/8" to 1/4" cables for audio equipment that gets moved around a lot
11:04	pankkake	the 6.3mm ones are sexy
11:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.043945 = 0.1758 BTC [+] {3}
11:04	nubbins`	but honestly SMD 1/8" jacks are usually very poorly supported on PCBs
11:04	nubbins`	it's no sweat to rip a trace off a board
11:05	ThickAsThieves	;;nethash
11:05	gribble	1525038.63397
11:05	ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats
11:05	saulimus	lol, btct domain expired but someone just bought some basic-mining
11:05	gribble	Current Blocks: 262247 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 1848 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217927576.821 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.13427
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 126 @ 0.00124793 = 0.1572 BTC [-] {3}
11:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.04658 = 0.1863 BTC [+]
11:05	Jere_Jones	You can still get to btct if you add an entry in your hosts file.
11:06	Jere_Jones	141.101.113.21 is the ip address that I'm using and it seems to work well.
11:06	saulimus	ok, thanks
11:06	saulimus	hm, error 1003, Direct IP access not allowed
11:06	nubbins`	i will need a small rutabaga and some carrots
11:06	Jere_Jones	That's why you have to put it in your hosts file.
11:06	saulimus	strange how that counts
11:07	saulimus	ok.
11:07	mircea_popescu	weird.
11:07	ThickAsThieves	i have learned that the slim majority of btct shareholders can follow directions
11:07	Kleeck__	lol
11:08	Jere_Jones	ThickAsThieves: Did Danny confirm my angel shares of NEOBEE with you?
11:08	ThickAsThieves	i don't think so
11:08	ThickAsThieves	just have him email me
11:08	ThickAsThieves	i know he's been busy
11:08	Jere_Jones	I did, but he was in the airport when he responded to me. I'll wait until things calm down a little.
11:09	ThickAsThieves	he should be straight now
11:09	Jere_Jones	Then, to the email I go.... :)
11:09	saulimus	Jere_Jones, ok, works, thanks
11:10	nubbins`	interesting fact: four moose were introduced to the island on which i live in the early 1900s
11:10	nubbins`	today, there are over 150,000 moose, wandering all over the highways and killing people who hit them w/ cars
11:11	ThickAsThieves	the pitfalls of inbreeding
11:12	nubbins`	yeah
11:12	nubbins`	tasty though
11:12	nubbins`	lel, from wikipedia: "Moose scat is commonly found on trails. Some souvenir shops sell bags of it, sealed with shellac and labeled with humorous names."
11:13	nubbins`	author obv too stupid to realize that every souvenir shop in north america sells bags of chocolate-covered almonds as "____ poop"
11:13	nubbins`	and they're shiny because of confectioner's glaze, not shellac
11:13	nubbins`	lel
11:13	ThickAsThieves	from what i read, it sounds like they are using real poop
11:16	nubbins`	you're telling me that stores are representing animal feces as food?
11:18	ThickAsThieves	where does that text say to eat it?
11:18	ThickAsThieves	no one eats shellac
11:18	nubbins`	ಠ_ಠ
11:19	ThickAsThieves	unless by mistake on table fruit
11:19	nubbins`	maybe we're talking about different things
11:19	ThickAsThieves	"Moose scat is commonly found on trails. Some souvenir shops sell bags of it, sealed with shellac and labeled with humorous names."
11:19	nubbins`	but i've seen bags of "moose droppings", "elk droppings", etc
11:19	nubbins`	and they're invariably chocolate-covered almonds
11:19	ThickAsThieves	peanuts are a variable!
11:19	nubbins`	i know this because i love chocolate covered almonds, and dislike feces, and have eaten many bags of "moose droppings"
11:20	nubbins`	and none of them have been shellacked poo
11:20	ThickAsThieves	http://alaskanspecialties.com/article/moose-poop-souvenirs
11:20	ozbot	Moose Poop Souvenirs | Alaskan Specialties
11:20	ThickAsThieves	booya
11:20	nubbins`	http://www.eatonfarmcandies.com/files/image/new%20productimages/moose%20droppings.jpg
11:20	nubbins`	booya
11:20	ThickAsThieves	you didnt quote candy
11:21	nubbins`	http://la2toronto.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/377-canadian-moose-droppings.jpg
11:21	nubbins`	&c
11:21	gribble	Error: "c" is not a valid command.
11:21	nubbins`	hmm
11:21	nubbins`	if you can find me a bag of shellacked shit with a humorous name, i'll accept defeat
11:22	nubbins`	but i still hold that the author of that caption is just confused
11:22	nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/search?q=moose+droppings&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=M9FSUpeoNYj-4AOh2IGACw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1111&bih=780&dpr=1#es_sm=119&q=moose+droppings+chocolate&tbm=isch&imgdii=_
11:22	ThickAsThieves	why call the author confused when he details a thing that exists?
11:23	ThickAsThieves	very confusing ;)
11:23	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/students-tricked-into-eating-moose-poop-by-school-staff-1.1259954
11:23	ozbot	Students tricked into eating moose poop by school staff - Manitoba - CBC News
11:24	nubbins`	LEL
11:24	benkay_	good moooorning
11:24	ThickAsThieves	"Droppings stuck in girl's braces"
11:24	nubbins`	"Two Grade 8 teens from the school in Grand Marais, Man., were given the poop but told they were chocolate-covered almonds."
11:25	benkay_	urbit is the greatest time sink ever
11:25	ThickAsThieves	"Not a joke, anti-bullying expert says"
11:25	ThickAsThieves	lol
11:25	nubbins`	"An international anti-bullying expert is shocked by the incident."
11:25	nubbins`	if it's not a joke, why can't i stop laughing?
11:25	nubbins`	aaaaaah hahahahaha
11:25	ThickAsThieves	to be an anti-bullying exper, must youi get beat up a lot?
11:25	nubbins`	see, "moose dropping" chocolate is so common that these kids legitimately had no idea that it might actually be poop
11:25	nubbins`	lel x 1000
11:26	nubbins`	tat, i think it's a prerequisite
11:26	ThickAsThieves	what's this lel stuff?
11:26	ThickAsThieves	some 4channery i missed?
11:26	nubbins`	nah
11:26	nubbins`	i don't like using "lol"
11:26	ThickAsThieves	i used to be that way
11:26	nubbins`	but "hahahahaha" doesn't always work
11:26	ThickAsThieves	i gave up
11:26	nubbins`	so i figured saying "lel" would get the message across
11:27	ThickAsThieves	in a hipster way
11:27	nubbins`	and burn out some people in the process
11:27	nubbins`	hipster is an artificial construct
11:27	ThickAsThieves	you kids and your ideas
11:27	saulimus	löl
11:27	nubbins`	remember when we called them "metrosexuals"?
11:27	benkay_	nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2AvfSTi6Q
11:27	ThickAsThieves	metrosexuals were something else
11:27	nubbins`	another word to hate on people with personal style
11:27	nubbins`	same thing
11:28	ThickAsThieves	americans trying to look european
11:28	ThickAsThieves	:)
11:28	pankkake	thin?
11:28	ThickAsThieves	now americans trying to look european are known as rappers
11:29	ThickAsThieves	everyone in Amsterdam was much better looking that in the US
11:29	ThickAsThieves	dressed well
11:29	ThickAsThieves	etc
11:29	ThickAsThieves	must be all the cycling
11:29	benkay_	all the not eating garbage
11:30	ThickAsThieves	mircea_popescu, i took a picture of all the bicycles for you but forgot to post it
11:30	nubbins`	all the everything
11:30	mircea_popescu	aww!
11:30	nubbins`	all the culture?
11:30	nubbins`	all the history
11:30	ThickAsThieves	then next day NY (i think) announced a plan to use ducts underground for trash
11:30	nubbins`	hahaha
11:30	ThickAsThieves	it's happening!
11:30	nubbins`	so basically just dump it in the sewers?
11:31	ThickAsThieves	no
11:31	nubbins`	"the water filters all this stuff out"
11:31	ThickAsThieves	mp says all transport and trash should route underground
11:31	nubbins`	good luck with that
11:31	ThickAsThieves	which isnt a bad idea
11:31	nubbins`	we can't even figure out underground electrical wires
11:31	ThickAsThieves	wireless trash!
11:32	nubbins`	you tend to stop seeing them after a while, but just take note of the massive amounts of wires strung all around the place the next time you're outside
11:32	nubbins`	it's retarded
11:32	mircea_popescu	nubbins` the dope dealers gotta strung the shoes somewhere...
11:33	nubbins`	they do headphones instead of shoes here
11:33	ThickAsThieves	the caption was sposed to be: mircea_popescu, what should i do? http://imgur.com/F6V77ER
11:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16806 @ 0.00013533 = 2.2744 BTC [-] {10}
11:33	ThickAsThieves	shoulda brought a grenade
11:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1173 @ 0.00013 = 0.1525 BTC [-]
11:34	mircea_popescu	so what is this log, has nubbins` been scamming everyone with shis moose shit ipo ?
11:34	ThickAsThieves	weird, my camera makes square photos
11:34	nubbins`	dividends, &c
11:34	mircea_popescu	benkay_ wait till the strip poker hits!
11:35	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves burn them anyway.
11:35	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 45000 @ 0.00012429 = 5.5931 BTC [-] {7}
11:35	nubbins`	speaking of shellac, we had some tenants move out a couple months ago
11:35	nubbins`	such a stink of cat shit/piss that we had to use shellac-base paint on the walls
11:36	mircea_popescu	how do you know it was cat shit.
11:36	nubbins`	they left 3 full litter boxes
11:36	ThickAsThieves	and he is an expert on droppings
11:36	ThickAsThieves	obv
11:36	mircea_popescu	people with cat syndrome.
11:36	nubbins`	well, i like chocolate covered almonds and cats
11:36	nubbins`	:P
11:37	nubbins`	im actually gonna upload the pictures i took after they "moved out"
11:37	nubbins`	gimme a couple minutes
11:39	jurov	so i just found out some btct users used an address from online wallet that has no signature functions
11:39	nubbins`	bummer
11:39	jurov	there will be fun yet
11:39	jurov	first blood, then fun
11:40	mircea_popescu	so they get to pester the online wallet to implement signatures in order to get their w/e ?
11:41	ThickAsThieves	jurov you have like a small qty of holders no?
11:41	ThickAsThieves	you really need wallet sigs?
11:41	ThickAsThieves	arent you the only one that knows share counts?
11:41	ThickAsThieves	tell them to give that
11:41	ThickAsThieves	along with btct email and account name
11:41	ThickAsThieves	or such
11:42	jurov	yes not many but why not do things properly? https://coinbr.com/btct/idiff_1
11:42	ThickAsThieves	you just said why ;)
11:43	jurov	fortunately i can just pay out untransferred future contracts and be done with them
11:43	benkay_	mircea_popescu: after I write this Nock interpreter and then learn Hoon...
11:43	pankkake	http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/07/fbi-bitcoin-silk-road-ross-ulbricht still a failure, why would they know he has those
11:43	ozbot	FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder | Technology | theguardian.c
11:44	ThickAsThieves	they dont know
11:44	ThickAsThieves	isnt that amount extrapolated from their guess of commissions on their guess of all sales to date?
11:44	jurov	what, it's 600k now?
11:44	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yup.
11:44	pankkake	oh, maybe
11:45	mircea_popescu	jurov the point about how im lolling at them for not making any forfeitures this turn around burned.
11:45	mircea_popescu	so they're trying :D
11:45	ThickAsThieves	the article also notes how since the fbi has his wallet, the coins cant be spent
11:45	ThickAsThieves	lol
11:45	mircea_popescu	herp
11:45	mircea_popescu	lmao.
11:45	benkay_	yea superherp
11:46	mircea_popescu	the state is in for a rude awakening.
11:46	mircea_popescu	it will happen ion about one more week
11:46	jurov	i'm waiting out for revelation how much of these bitcoins they gave him
11:46	mircea_popescu	m,aybne two
11:46	mircea_popescu	at which point, watch the bitcoin foundation go in overdrive.
11:46	benkay_	mircea_popescu: you refer to the debt ceiling?
11:46	ThickAsThieves	i'm still hoping that Ross isnt even the guy'
11:46	ThickAsThieves	would be so fun
11:46	lewicki	If the FBI confiscated all copies of the private key, then maybe.
11:46	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves here's a simple plan : pay someone a little coin to be the fall guy.
11:47	mircea_popescu	they can't prosecute you for something they already convicted someone else for.
11:47	ThickAsThieves	i just find it hard to believe that DPR would be this sloppy
11:47	ThickAsThieves	he KNEW he would get arrested one day
11:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15037 @ 0.00084201 = 12.6613 BTC [+] {5}
11:47	ThickAsThieves	so he MUST have a plan
11:47	mircea_popescu	he didn't plan on tor being a surveillance tool.
11:47	lewicki	public defender count?
11:47	mircea_popescu	the rest is "parallel construction"
11:47	pankkake	mircea_popescu: that wasn't how he was arrested at all so…
11:48	jurov	ThickAsThieves: what should he do? lend them to theymos for greater drama?
11:48	ThickAsThieves	how did fbi get the server copy anyway?
11:48	pankkake	and why would criminals crime if they thought they couldn't get away with it?
11:48	pankkake	he used a vpn to connect to the server
11:48	pankkake	and they asked the vpn
11:49	ThickAsThieves	and why was he living in a $1000 apartment?
11:50	lewicki	Even if the FBI only found out where the coins were stored. Eventually those coins would have to be used somewhere that could be "backtraced". Those mixers are not infallible
11:50	pankkake	not everyone needs to live in a mansion with two pools
11:51	ThickAsThieves	an apartment tho?
11:51	mircea_popescu	lewicki yes, yes they are.
11:51	ThickAsThieves	like why live witha roommate
11:51	pankkake	yes, that is weird indeed
11:51	lewicki	at what point do you say, 20...30..80 million is enough
11:51	mircea_popescu	because no friends ?
11:51	ThickAsThieves	so hang out at starbucks
11:51	ThickAsThieves	i dunno
11:51	pankkake	when I'm a trillionnaire I'll still live in a small appartment, but with people? no way!
11:51	ThickAsThieves	doesnt make sense
11:52	ThickAsThieves	if you have that much money
11:52	ThickAsThieves	you leave the US too
11:52	mircea_popescu	he didnt have that much money.
11:52	mircea_popescu	he struggled for three weeks to move a kg of coke.
11:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 1.3072 = 7.8432 BTC [-] {3}
11:52	pankkake	he could simply like where he lives
11:52	mircea_popescu	this is the definition of small timer.
11:52	pankkake	indeed that thing is weird
11:53	pankkake	why would the megaboss of the internet mafia do that?
11:53	mircea_popescu	the average car salesman sells more worth of car a day.
11:53	mircea_popescu	likely for a better cut, too.
11:53	ThickAsThieves	there will def be more to thi story
11:54	pankkake	a drug dealer is usually more honest than a car salesman though
11:54	mircea_popescu	my bet is that as the feds get enough of being humiliated it quietly drops into oblivion.
11:54	benkay_	it's not unbelievable that the nerd running the SR show would know nothing about actually moving product
11:56	ThickAsThieves	wasnt really his job anyway
11:57	mircea_popescu	why did he get involved is what i want to know.
11:57	mircea_popescu	it's so stupid this shit. im torn as towhether to do a write-up of why it's stupid and in the process prove i understand the drug trade all too well or just stfu.
11:58	benkay_	oh please do
11:58	ThickAsThieves	probably just a whim, coder says oh i can make a thing!
11:58	ThickAsThieves	then makes it live
11:58	ThickAsThieves	and just kinda rolls with it
11:58	benkay_	then btctalk can add drug dealer to the list of epithets they spit
11:58	mircea_popescu	heh.
11:59	ThickAsThieves	isnt the story that there is an original and a 2nd owner?
11:59	pankkake	the issue is that he wasn't nerd enough. he made technical mistakes, and then wasn't paranoid enough, thought he has the street smarts or whatever
11:59	ThickAsThieves	i find that not believable
11:59	ThickAsThieves	technical mistakes sure, but not paranoid enough?!
12:00	ThickAsThieves	he aided in a drug supermarket
12:00	Apocalyptic	he posted under his real name...
12:00	ThickAsThieves	how could he not be paranoid
12:00	Apocalyptic	of course he wasn't paranoid enough
12:00	ThickAsThieves	allegedly
12:01	ThickAsThieves	maybe Ross is the original guy
12:01	ThickAsThieves	and realized quickly he was too deep
12:01	ThickAsThieves	and that he wasnt paranoid enough at the start
12:01	ThickAsThieves	so he sold it
12:01	ThickAsThieves	and now that guy is out there
12:02	ThickAsThieves	probly running BMR etc
12:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.40999999 = 2.82 BTC [+]
12:08	ThickAsThieves	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24426881
12:08	ozbot	BBC News - China tells US to avoid debt crisis for sake of global economy
12:08	ThickAsThieves	"We hope the United States fully understands the lessons of history," Mr Zhu said
12:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [+]
12:09	Rulother	hah
12:09	Rulother	China should know the US better by no
12:09	Rulother	now*
12:09	kakobrekla	China will grow larger.
12:10	jcpham	us fracks like crazy: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/energy-ticker/2013/10/04/move-over-russia-u-s-is-now-the-worlds-biggest-oil-gas-producer/
12:12	jurov	Rulother and what can China do? covertyl assassinate few tea partiers?
12:12	kakobrekla	> http://youtu.be/UPH9iKpM-fk?t=6s
12:13	Rulother	If we were only so lucky
12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 1.41583331 = 33.98 BTC [+] {6}
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.12989999 BTC [-]
12:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [+]
12:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.013632 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {2}
12:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00084306 = 6.1543 BTC [+]
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.0137 = 0.1096 BTC [+]
12:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.0137 = 0.1096 BTC [+] {2}
13:00	mircea_popescu	benkay_ http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/
13:00	mircea_popescu	enjoy.
13:00	benkay_	oooh
13:01	ThickAsThieves	hmm google docs is not letting me paste into google a spreadsheet without installing google drive for chrome (i'm using opera)
13:01	ThickAsThieves	suddenly
13:01	benkay_	pallet ;)
13:03	mircea_popescu	pellet lol
13:03	mircea_popescu	pew pew
13:05	benkay_	waaat
13:16	ThickAsThieves	lol http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4812630/fox-news-shepard-smith-news-deck
13:17	Kleeck__	wtf
13:17	ThickAsThieves	Honey I Shrunk Fox News
13:17	mircea_popescu	lol
13:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 60 @ 0.00375 = 0.225 BTC [-]
13:18	dexX7	lol
13:18	dexX7	reminds me of http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-army-star-trek-command-center-2013-9
13:19	Kleeck__	Bigger screems means we're more relevant, right? RIGHT GUIZ?!
13:19	ThickAsThieves	now every foxnews viewer will be compelled to get a tablet
13:20	mircea_popescu	1 btc to the first person that hacks into their tablets and puts cp on.
13:20	mircea_popescu	resulting in all of fox news being put on the sex offender register
13:21	Duffer1	they'd blame obama
13:21	ThickAsThieves	bigger bounty deserved!
13:21	Duffer1	get off scot free
13:21	ThickAsThieves	I'll add 2btc, but not cp, I want mp on a horse
13:22	mircea_popescu	i think that horse was underage anyway.
13:28	chris_	you can settle for mp on a camel now
13:30	mircea_popescu	i dunno if i made camel pix
13:35	b0n1	is there any back and lay betting exchange for btc?
13:35	b0n1	like betfair
13:38	mircea_popescu	about a dozen people tried and failed. if you care to understand the reasons i can link you to a write-up.
13:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.01300059 = 1.3001 BTC [-] {5}
13:39	b0n1	yeah, would be nice
13:39	b0n1	is it the low volume problem on startup?
13:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.013 = 0.585 BTC [-] {2}
13:40	mircea_popescu	nah
13:40	mircea_popescu	lemme see ehre
13:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.01264222 = 3.7927 BTC [-] {10}
13:42	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/
13:42	ozbot	Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:42	mircea_popescu	2nd half is the meat of it.
13:46	b0n1	you mean the liquidity problem?
13:46	mircea_popescu	nope.
13:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 16 @ 0.0219375 = 0.351 BTC [+] {2}
13:52	jborkl	I stopped by and talked to Cointerra in person
13:52	mircea_popescu	o hey. what's he say ?
13:53	jborkl	There was 3 of them, I got to see renderings that are not published yet- talked for about 1.5 hours- I also told them the advantages of listing on MPEX
13:54	mircea_popescu	3 cointerras ?! how many drinks did you have ? :D
13:54	mircea_popescu	anyway, article incoming i trust ?
13:55	jborkl	yes and I have access to preferred pricing for interested parties
13:55	jborkl	I will put a article in a little while
13:55	mircea_popescu	lol you're a distributor nao ?
13:56	jborkl	no
13:56	dexX7	jborkl: where do you publish your article?
13:56	jborkl	bitcoinnews.com - I will put it up in a hour or so
13:56	dexX7	ty
13:57	jborkl	I asked them why they listed with Pico and not MPEX
13:58	mircea_popescu	what'd they say ?
13:59	jborkl	What they said made sense, for the US- Pico is a holding co and buys a block from them. You actually buy Pico holding and not Cointerra
13:59	dexX7	wait, the listing there is legit?
14:00	mircea_popescu	dexX7 im about as amazed myself.
14:00	pankkake	yeah https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307042.0
14:00	pankkake	communication is terrible though
14:00	ThickAsThieves	ridiculous...
14:01	mircea_popescu	tapeout 28nm... so what's this, march ?
14:01	jborkl	The listing at Pico is Cointerra, I can tell you that
14:01	jborkl	I asked him point blank
14:02	ThickAsThieves	still ridic
14:02	jborkl	They say, shipping is December - Remember I am not promoting or pumping anything- just telling you what I went by and saw
14:02	ThickAsThieves	thats not why i'm saying it's ridic
14:03	pankkake	so do they really plan to mine too?
14:03	dexX7	well. i'm still not 100 % convinced. tytus is the one who created the listing, that's no new info, so i'm not surprised that he confirms the listing.
14:03	pankkake	because the pico guy said "maybe or maybe not"
14:03	mircea_popescu	well that's good, cause I can make a bet,.
14:03	jborkl	They said they will have a datacenter in Dallas, TX
14:03	mircea_popescu	o wait, they don't sell units ?
14:04	jborkl	yes they do
14:04	pankkake	they do, and their initial plan was to do only that
14:04	jborkl	they will have hosting (3rd party) and selling units
14:04	mircea_popescu	mkay.
14:05	jborkl	The units I saw (final design I think) has liquid cooling standard - has 2 900 w power supplies and draws at the wall approx 1300
14:05	ThickAsThieves	whats their customer protection plan?
14:05	jborkl	did not ask that
14:05	jborkl	I do not believe on protection plans excpt condoms
14:05	ThickAsThieves	it's not a matter of belief
14:06	jborkl	I did not ask that question
14:06	pankkake	https://cointerra.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/200046263-Price-Protection
14:06	ozbot	Price Protection – CoinTerra
14:06	jborkl	I asked almost everything else
14:07	ThickAsThieves	not the best plan :/
14:07	jborkl	Chips are supposed to be from (700 grade a to 500 grade d) I assigned the a-d values myself
14:07	pankkake	but you can get a better deal, it seems: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg3226890#msg3226890
14:08	ThickAsThieves	lol that deal sucks too
14:08	ThickAsThieves	30% per month?
14:08	pankkake	oh, right, I confused thirty and thirteen
14:08	ThickAsThieves	"I can't wait to see where share price goes once we list on a new exchange, and as we get closer and closer to delivery"
14:09	jborkl	I was told the deal I could get, and I think I could do a little better even
14:09	ThickAsThieves	only one protection plan makes sense, discount = diff increase
14:10	ThickAsThieves	or hashpower
14:10	pankkake	bfl would be bankrupt!
14:10	ThickAsThieves	shouldnt they be?
14:10	Au-WireBeard	Im sure theyve drafted notice
14:11	pankkake	I'm not sure it would be better for customers - they would get nothing
14:11	jborkl	If they actually make this chip, BFL is screwed (like they were not before?)
14:11	ThickAsThieves	pankkake BFL customers are already in that spot no?
14:11	ThickAsThieves	many of them
14:12	ThickAsThieves	the point here isnt to drive the company into the ground
14:12	pankkake	yes, still half screwed is better than fully screwed?
14:12	ThickAsThieves	it's to force them to name a real release date
14:12	ThickAsThieves	and sell at a real price
14:12	pankkake	jborkl: well, they have preorders, so maybe only for new orders
14:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 25 @ 0.0041 = 0.1025 BTC [+]
14:13	pankkake	maybe customer protection should be provided by a third party
14:13	mircea_popescu	how do bfl customers have a prayer ?
14:13	mircea_popescu	they ordered when diff was <1% of current
14:13	ThickAsThieves	how would that work pankkake?
14:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 111 @ 0.00154979 = 0.172 BTC [+] {3}
14:13	mircea_popescu	ya srsly.
14:14	jborkl	isnt that just mining diff futures?
14:14	pankkake	an insurance type of thing?
14:14	pankkake	probably, except not really tied to a hardware release
14:14	ThickAsThieves	doesnt work in this case
14:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 40 @ 0.0499 = 1.996 BTC [+]
14:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 19 @ 0.01349 = 0.2563 BTC [+]
14:15	ThickAsThieves	the problem being addresses is that these companies are putting all risks onto the customers
14:15	ThickAsThieves	addressed*
14:15	pankkake	what I have in mind is that the companies finance the thing, but it's a pool; that way customers can feel safe even if the companies go bankrupt
14:15	ThickAsThieves	and what of the insurance company?
14:16	ThickAsThieves	they only profit if things ship on time
14:16	ThickAsThieves	otherwise they die
14:16	ThickAsThieves	the equation must put risk on the manufacturer
14:16	pankkake	the manufacturer pays the insurer, and gets its money back if it ships on time?
14:16	ThickAsThieves	no escaping that
14:17	mircea_popescu	how;s the manufacturer paying the insurer,
14:17	kakobrekla	preorders allow for that risk to be mitigated
14:17	kakobrekla	people themself allow this to happen to themself
14:17	pankkake	yes, the how is an issue :)
14:17	mircea_popescu	wjhen 99% of cases manufacturer can't afford a 100 btc bitbet ?
14:17	mircea_popescu	that'd allow the customers to buy insurance, at a market-established fair premium
14:17	mircea_popescu	but... ask them about it.
14:17	pankkake	the bet is all-or-nothing though
14:17	dexX7	maybe you should work on a better promotion/presentation. it is indeed a good idea, but "wtf is bitbet, why is this relevant"
14:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 452 @ 0.001589 = 0.7182 BTC [+] {2}
14:18	ThickAsThieves	it doesnt matter
14:18	ThickAsThieves	to participate is to put attention on the risk
14:18	ThickAsThieves	they dont want that
14:18	ThickAsThieves	since the risk is all yours
14:18	ThickAsThieves	100btc is nothing
14:19	ThickAsThieves	doesnt preclude customers from being ripped
14:19	lewicki	tat, eta on video of presentation?
14:19	ThickAsThieves	2 weeks
14:20	mircea_popescu	right-o.
14:20	pankkake	what can you do if your ETA is really two weeks? say 14 days?
14:21	pankkake	2.00001 week?
14:21	kakobrekla	just after soon enough
14:21	Au-WireBeard	336 hours from now
14:21	pankkake	2100 blocks!
14:22	pankkake	2016*
14:25	mircea_popescu	;;tslb
14:25	gribble	Time since last block: 3 minutes and 10 seconds
14:25	nubbins`	im gonna start using blocks as a measure of distance
14:25	nubbins`	"oh, that's only three blocks away"
14:25	mircea_popescu	so here we go :
14:25	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/550/cointerra-will-deliver-in-2013/
14:25	nubbins`	but the joke will be on you!
14:26	ozbot	BitBet - Cointerra will deliver in 2013
14:26	pankkake	the good thing about that rising difficulty, is that now bitcoin = litecoin
14:28	ThickAsThieves	the only thing litecoin has left going for it is for a major exchange to support it
14:28	ThickAsThieves	otherwise it's usless
14:28	ThickAsThieves	it goes down when btc goes up
14:28	dexX7	http://bitbet.us/bet/528/activemining-will-be-profitable-for-most-investors/ ??
14:28	ozbot	BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors
14:28	ThickAsThieves	and down when btc goes down
14:29	dexX7	this bet is closed?
14:29	pankkake	there are some fiat exchanges supporting it. but it's just one step anyway, so why would it change that much?
14:29	dexX7	oh
14:29	dexX7	nvm
14:29	ThickAsThieves	"Should btct.co disappear before that date or should proof emerge of btct.co failure to pay any liquid and exigible debt to any investor this bet resolves as No."
14:29	dexX7	lol
14:29	dexX7	yes
14:29	pankkake	eh… that certainly wasn't my intent when creating the bet
14:29	pankkake	it was on BitFunder at the time, and still is
14:30	pankkake	and I didn't write that text
14:30	ThickAsThieves	answer will still be No
14:30	pankkake	now people are going to be angry at me
14:30	ThickAsThieves	dont worry
14:30	mircea_popescu	dexX7 well cause btctc crapped ouit
14:30	pankkake	still a very bad way to handle things
14:30	dexX7	yes, i was hasty
14:31	mircea_popescu	pankkake welcome to bitbet, a game of unpredictable consequences.
14:31	ThickAsThieves	let's just put that condition on all bets
14:31	pankkake	I regret promoting a bet I didn't specify fully then
14:31	mircea_popescu	i suppose it can be remade to reference bitfunder isntead
14:31	ThickAsThieves	Red Sox will win world series, this bet resolves as No if Bitfunder closes
14:31	mircea_popescu	lol
14:32	pankkake	and I'm unhappy about *winning*, let's be clear
14:32	mircea_popescu	moar like "red sox will win world series, this bet resolves as no if world series doesn't exist anymoar"
14:32	dexX7	then you should have read the bet more carefully?
14:32	mircea_popescu	ya next time don't win on bets you didn't read carefully.
14:32	pankkake	:D
14:33	pankkake	no but see, I wrote the bet, except the last part
14:33	ThickAsThieves	i thought the whole point of btc investing was to profit by mistake?
14:33	mircea_popescu	i guess so
14:33	ThickAsThieves	and that gambling = investing
14:33	mircea_popescu	so it's now 5.06 to 0.04
14:33	mircea_popescu	anyone got any confidence at all in cointerra delivering ?
14:33	ThickAsThieves	didnt CT already say delivery is in Jan?
14:34	mircea_popescu	<jborkl> They say, shipping is December - Remember I am not promoting or pumping anything- just telling you what I went by and saw
14:34	ThickAsThieves	http://cointerra.com/shop/
14:34	pankkake	mircea_popescu: I think they will, but I'm to going vote No as an hedge
14:35	ThickAsThieves	their own site says Jan
14:35	BingoBoingo	pankkake: You don't vote on bets, you bet on them
14:35	dexX7	do you have orders on ct, pankkake?
14:35	pankkake	kinda
14:35	mircea_popescu	TerraMiner II – 1TH/s, Networked ASIC Miner (Early January Batch)
14:36	mircea_popescu	this would imply there's an earlier teraminer i neh ?
14:36	pankkake	december batches are sold already, as I understand
14:36	dexX7	ah i see
14:36	dexX7	so there were dec orders?
14:36	mircea_popescu	apparently.
14:36	pankkake	http://cointerra.com/product/terraminer-iv-2ths/
14:37	dexX7	according to their resume, they are the creme de la creme
14:37	ThickAsThieves	oh
14:37	ThickAsThieves	my bad
14:37	pankkake	yes. though it isn't everything. and it seems to be their *only* way of saying they're the best
14:38	dexX7	well, they are new and have no finished product yet
14:38	asciilifeform	funstuff: http://lasecwww.epfl.ch/keyboard/
14:40	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform does it hold true for metal case ?
14:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00084194 = 5.5568 BTC [-] {2}
14:41	asciilifeform	yes, unless the latter is 1) grounded 2) has no openings larger than the wavelength in question
14:41	asciilifeform	see: 'Faraday's cage.'
14:41	jborkl	yes, they said there were December orders
14:42	mircea_popescu	it would be solid, so no openings.
14:42	asciilifeform	solid + grounded works.
14:42	mircea_popescu	grounded is actually no good i suspect,
14:42	mircea_popescu	antenna effect
14:42	mircea_popescu	better to have it POWERED
14:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 4630 @ 0.00126881 = 5.8746 BTC [+] {2}
14:43	asciilifeform	power line becomes a potential antenna in that case
14:44	ThickAsThieves	battery
14:44	asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: idea is that you want to disperse any excess charge on the case as quickly as possible.
14:45	mircea_popescu	or dilute it.
14:45	asciilifeform	it also depends if you're trying to merely keep RF in, or also out.
14:46	ThickAsThieves	so can kb be made with a "jammer"
14:46	ThickAsThieves	something that inserts random waves or such
14:46	asciilifeform	i've often thought about cobbling together a keyboard based on pinched optical fibers for the scanning matrix
14:46	mircea_popescu	the correct solution is to buy your own acre
14:46	mircea_popescu	and shoot anyone that trespasses
14:46	ThickAsThieves	hehe
14:47	ThickAsThieves	or something like how noise cancellation works
14:49	pankkake	or lead walls
14:49	ThickAsThieves	what about an all-digital kb? like with an lcd display
14:49	ThickAsThieves	or such
14:50	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4812750/banks-stuff-atms-with-cash-as-debt-ceiling-deadline-looms
14:50	ThickAsThieves	the next Cyprus btc bubble?
14:53	ThickAsThieves	http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/pictures-rothschild-family/
14:53	nubbins`	i dont get this debt ceiling thing
14:53	ThickAsThieves	is this what the romanian btc conference will be like?
14:53	nubbins`	why don't they just raise it to infinity
14:53	nubbins`	it's not like it matters
14:56	mircea_popescu	o yeah, i should do a reminder.
14:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 228 @ 0.00122 = 0.2782 BTC [-]
14:56	mircea_popescu	dear peoples : please bear in mind http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/
14:56	kakobrekla	dafuq is Ven
14:56	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.160;topicseen
14:56	mircea_popescu	substantial discount if you get your vip seats this year.
14:57	kakobrekla	what two vips and both losers
14:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 76 @ 0.00402105 = 0.3056 BTC [-] {2}
14:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 1.27578034 = 38.2734 BTC [-] {8}
14:58	ThickAsThieves	treehugger coins
14:58	mircea_popescu	some hippy shit
14:58	mircea_popescu	yeah
14:58	pankkake	ven was some hype private currency a while ago
14:58	mircea_popescu	was the herp-business nefario was discussing at his pre-sudden death conference
14:59	mircea_popescu	that was the "big thing"
14:59	kakobrekla	o yeah i have some backflashes
14:59	mircea_popescu	remember ven ?
14:59	mircea_popescu	lemme grep. i like to grep.
14:59	kakobrekla	vaugley
14:59	pankkake	"The value of Ven is determined on the financial markets from a basket of currencies, commodities and carbon futures."
14:59	kakobrekla	aaaa
15:00	kakobrekla	krakens are retarded :(
15:00	pankkake	I'm sure they're only doing it because Ven paid them
15:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.01253539 = 0.9276 BTC [-] {8}
15:00	kakobrekla	ok, not retarded but whores, then.
15:01	mircea_popescu	Oct 15 04:19:18 <mircea_popescu>i tend to recall this ridiculous Ven thing being a bluechip asset.
15:01	mircea_popescu	that's a year ago
15:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 1.25000001 = 16.25 BTC [-] {3}
15:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.12999998 BTC [+]
15:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 1.26612499 = 40.516 BTC [-] {5}
15:02	mircea_popescu	Sep 22 04:42:04 <mircea_popescu>nefario i've been perusing with much amusement your summaries of discussions with "lawyers"
15:02	mircea_popescu	Sep 22 04:42:06 <mircea_popescu>stick to ven.
15:02	mircea_popescu	lmao aww
15:02	zoinky	can still trade on btct?
15:02	mircea_popescu	Sep 22 03:32:07 <nefario>Yeah I'm dropping ven
15:02	kakobrekla	can still trade on glbse?
15:02	kakobrekla	;;seen nefari
15:02	zoinky	lol
15:02	gribble	I have not seen nefari.
15:02	kakobrekla	;;seen nefario
15:02	gribble	nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
15:02	kakobrekla	here!
15:02	mircea_popescu	Sep 22 03:16:18 <nefario>I don't actually exist
15:02	mircea_popescu	Sep 22 03:16:20 <nefario>just a bot
15:02	mircea_popescu	Sep 22 03:16:26 <mircea_popescu>and incidentally, it occurs to me i still don't see your connection to bitcoin.
15:02	mircea_popescu	Sep 22 03:16:29 <mircea_popescu>you're a ven developer.
15:02	kakobrekla	O_o
15:04	mircea_popescu	Sep 20 17:04:40 <nefario>kakobrekla: you think Ven is scamconomy? then WTF has bitcoin turned into?
15:04	mircea_popescu	Sep 20 16:18:30 <kakobreklaaa>>Learn about our historic commodity and carbon credit trades using Ven.
15:04	mircea_popescu	Sep 20 16:18:32 <kakobreklaaa>omfg
15:04	mircea_popescu	Sep 20 16:18:35 <kakobreklaaa>green nazi ppl
15:04	mircea_popescu	Sep 20 16:19:57 <kakobreklaaa>ban carbon credits
15:04	mircea_popescu	anyway, that's the gist of it.
15:05	kakobrekla	i still hold dat opinion
15:05	mircea_popescu	cause you're stubborn! ven has come such a long way since last autumn
15:05	mircea_popescu	its tits sag a little more now!
15:06	pankkake	well, carbon credits are a scam. or more exactly, warmists invented carbon credits to profit from their scam :)
15:06	mircea_popescu	and then the russian mafia beat them to the punch.
15:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.393 BTC [+]
15:06	pankkake	the russian mafia sells carbon credits?
15:08	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla actually, 3 losers! list updated.
15:09	mircea_popescu	pankkake http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Statement&Statement_ID=b5683930-a655-4fce-8bbf-9b67acec22b5
15:10	pankkake	I don't understand how/why
15:11	mircea_popescu	because it's a racket.
15:11	mircea_popescu	and rackets are what the mob does.
15:11	mircea_popescu	what's to understand ?
15:11	asciilifeform	'when buying & selling are regulated, the 1st thing to be bought'n'sold is the regulators' (ms. rand?)
15:11	mircea_popescu	for the record : "A racket is a service that is fraudulently offered to solve a problem, such as for a problem that does not actually exist, will not be affected, or would not otherwise exist."
15:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1641 @ 0.00124 = 2.0348 BTC [-] {2}
15:12	pankkake	yes, but then governments are the criminals already, why would the russian mafia sell carbon credits?
15:12	mircea_popescu	because the mafia is more efficiently organised, by more determined, better people than any government
15:13	mircea_popescu	thus any lucrative racket is taken over from any govt.
15:13	pankkake	well, they probably would give me better health insurance, but it isn't happening yet :p
15:14	pankkake	anyway, I suppose you know about al gore owning a carbon credit company
15:14	mircea_popescu	yeh
15:14	kakobrekla	http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/07/fbi-bitcoin-silk-road-ross-ulbricht
15:15	nubbins`	"warmists"
15:15	nubbins`	lel
15:15	kakobrekla	>FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder
15:15	nubbins`	kakobrekla: read that, heavy lels
15:15	ThickAsThieves	what do they pay court artists these days? peanuts?
15:15	nubbins`	tat, lsd sugar cubes
15:15	nubbins`	apparently
15:15	kakobrekla	lol
15:16	ThickAsThieves	is that an antenna coming out of his head?
15:17	ThickAsThieves	"Even if the FBI is not able to transfer the money, merely having possession of the wallet file itself is enough to prevent the coins being spent. The Bureau is in a position equivalent to having seized a safe belonging to a suspect with no idea of the combination – and no hope of forcing it open any other way."
15:17	nubbins`	i think it's the edge where those two alternate planes of reality meet
15:17	mircea_popescu	how retarded are these people ?
15:17	nubbins`	no hope of forcing it open!
15:17	nubbins`	i give it a week before the coins vanish
15:17	ThickAsThieves	any other way than what?
15:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.04998 = 0.9996 BTC [+] {2}
15:18	kakobrekla	do we know where they are parked?
15:18	nubbins`	any other way than with the "combination"
15:18	asciilifeform	nobody cancelled rectothermal cryptoanalysis!
15:18	ThickAsThieves	kako, we dont know they exist imo
15:18	mircea_popescu	"the bureau is in a position equivalent to having snatched copies of michelle obama masturbating on camera
15:18	mircea_popescu	even if this does nothing for her, they can certainly jack off in peace"
15:18	ThickAsThieves	with the lens cap on
15:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084331 = 4.9755 BTC [+] {2}
15:19	ThickAsThieves	you can still hear the squishy noises!
15:19	ThickAsThieves	sorry
15:19	mircea_popescu	and all the other people that have copies can even see it!
15:19	mircea_popescu	"The Dixie Mafia is a criminal organization based in Biloxi, Mississippi, and operated primarily in the Southern United States"
15:19	mircea_popescu	i just fell over laughing
15:22	nubbins`	WHOA
15:22	nubbins`	http://blockchain.info/tx/c99eab8a071d91ce60de038c0d6bff8a51d9f566ef977edc91f6bcf091b7c06f
15:22	ozbot	Bitcoin Transaction c99eab8a071d91ce60de038c0d6bff8a51d9f566ef977edc91f6bcf091b7c06f
15:23	nubbins`	Public Note: Eu sou do Brasil... Eu quero expressar minha opinião sobre a drogas... o governo prende quem vende drogas só por causa que não da lucro para o governo... então acaba com com o cigarro com as bebidas alcoólicas...
15:23	dexX7	Public Notice: I'm from Brazil ... I want to express my opinion on drugs ... the government holds those who sell drugs just because they do not profit from the government ... then ends with the cigarette with alcohol ...
15:23	nubbins`	oh, sorry, that note is attached to the previous tx (0.00012 BTC)
15:23	nubbins`	lel
15:23	nubbins`	nevermind
15:23	dexX7	oh
15:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00084353 = 5.5251 BTC [+]
15:24	nubbins`	i guess they're still transferring coin from sr -> fbi
15:24	mircea_popescu	lmao all the people emailing
15:24	pankkake	"This seizure was only legal because bitcoin is not recognized as a currency" lol
15:25	ThickAsThieves	lol it's his AM dividend
15:25	nubbins`	yeah
15:25	nubbins`	these comments are about the same caliber as youtube comments
15:26	mircea_popescu	pretty much.
15:26	nubbins`	http://blockchain.info/tx/db3ed0a71adb085df9ef190c20a4fcf36ef8988bff86eeeccd7ed6328aa3381a
15:26	ozbot	Bitcoin Transaction db3ed0a71adb085df9ef190c20a4fcf36ef8988bff86eeeccd7ed6328aa3381a
15:26	asciilifeform	nah, the 250btc was the fee for taking the soldering out of his arse for ten minutes.
15:26	ThickAsThieves	"Evolution did not end with us growing opposable thumbs. You do know that, right? There's another 90 percent of our brains that we have to illuminate."
15:26	ThickAsThieves	indeed.
15:30	pankkake	;;bc,stats
15:30	gribble	Current Blocks: 262271 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 1824 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 216225003.241 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.23477
15:38	jborkl	oh more KNC fire pics
15:38	jborkl	Fire! Fire
15:39	pankkake	post!
15:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.0504 = 0.756 BTC [+] {3}
15:39	jborkl	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XchwE9zVdnw
15:39	ozbot	Beavis and Butthead - FIRE FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! - YouTube
15:39	kakobrekla	urlpls
15:39	jborkl	http://imgur.com/a/HKLWD
15:39	ozbot	KnCBurner v2 - Imgur
15:40	pankkake	wasn't a miner named bitburner?
15:40	jborkl	3rd one I have seen
15:40	jborkl	lol yeah
15:40	dexX7	pankkake: yup, avalon board by burnin
15:40	kakobrekla	eh thats only a small fire
15:41	kakobrekla	just a fleshwound
15:41	jborkl	the 3 pics I have seen - they are all popping in the same spots
15:41	mircea_popescu	kik
15:41	mircea_popescu	jborkl this is suspicious. if caps bust they should bust moire distributedly.
15:41	mircea_popescu	maybe there's an underlying fault in the pmb.
15:41	dub	tis but a scratch
15:43	jborkl	yeah, it is strange that they have done it in the same spot basically- so I would agree there is a common problem and not random failure
15:44	jborkl	.tslb
15:44	ozbot	61.27 minutes
15:44	mod6	sweet, got my destroyer up and working
15:44	jborkl	yeah, over an hour
15:44	pankkake	if you want better explosions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL1DA_K0sI
15:44	jborkl	fuck you diff 189
15:44	ThickAsThieves	mp what was the name of those notes that govs use to deal in large amounts of money?
15:44	ThickAsThieves	started with an S
15:44	ThickAsThieves	i think
15:45	dub	http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/07/1723206/sick-of-your-local-police-force-crowdfund-your-own?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
15:45	ozbot	Sick of Your Local Police Force? Crowdfund Your Own - Slashdot
15:45	dub	inb4 buttcoin IPO for private police
15:45	pankkake	oh, nice. i thought this would be about the detroit guy
15:46	dub	Unlike Kickstarter, the Crowdtilt campaigns don't feature fabulous prizes for contributing; gifting $100, for example, won't entitle you to 'One (1) free "accidental" shooting of your choice.'
15:47	pankkake	not even a free anal cavity search?
15:47	lyspooner	hello everyone! did somesone say free anal cavity search?
15:47	jborkl	http://imgur.com/a/hyA3a
15:47	ozbot	KNCburner - Imgur
15:48	jborkl	http://imgur.com/2UZuUzH
15:48	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
15:49	jborkl	I burned mine in on testnet
15:49	jborkl	lol
15:49	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves s ?!
15:50	pankkake	SDR
15:51	mircea_popescu	lol has nothing to do with large amts of money >D
15:51	mircea_popescu	nor are they notes. so ftw.
15:51	mircea_popescu	special drawing rights are a gold substitute, basically, since nixon.
15:51	ThickAsThieves	thats the thing
15:51	ThickAsThieves	i wanted to read up on it better
15:51	ThickAsThieves	obv my understanding is wrong :)
15:52	mircea_popescu	you understand how the fed system works, rgiht ?
15:54	ThickAsThieves	basically i had no memory of the SDR topic when we last spoke about it, just knew it was something to do with governments
15:54	ThickAsThieves	but i recall you mentioning how bitcoin could be good for like purposes
15:54	ThickAsThieves	and i want more arguments as to why bitcoins ultimate use isnt necessarily as a currency to buy coffee
15:55	mircea_popescu	mkay. so the fed system works thusly : instead of the various banks shipping bullion back and forth as people deposit/withdraw money,
15:55	mircea_popescu	they just re-allocate shares of holdings in these fed mystery boxes
15:55	mircea_popescu	which meanwhile are empty, but that doesn't matter.
15:55	ThickAsThieves	like the ones germany wants to visit
15:55	ThickAsThieves	but cant
15:55	mircea_popescu	this process was very advanced for the 50s, and so it gave an edge to the banks.
15:55	mircea_popescu	now, sdrs are an attempt to implement a similar mechanism in international trade,
15:56	mircea_popescu	so that countries can just re-allocate their debt to each other through this mechanism
15:56	mircea_popescu	it was never fully implemented, and it never worked too well in practice,
15:56	mircea_popescu	cheifly because too many cooks involved, and some of them french
15:57	ThickAsThieves	"The SDR comes to prominence when the US dollar is weak or otherwise unsuitable to be a foreign exchange reserve asset. This usually manifests itself as an allocation of SDRs to IMF member countries. Distrust of the US dollar is not the only stated reason allocations have been made, however." says wiki
15:58	mircea_popescu	not really. afaik they were most proeminent due to a sudden liquidity systemic shock caused by the arab hike
15:58	ThickAsThieves	"China has also suggested the creation of a substitution account to allow exchange of US dollars into SDRs.[Williamson 3] When substitution was proposed before, in 1978, the US appeared reluctant to allow such a mechanism to become operational.[Williamson 4] It is likely just as reluctant today."
15:58	mircea_popescu	it was never really important since then
15:59	ThickAsThieves	so basically the US only likes dealing in financial instruments that don't require provable backing
16:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00084381 = 10.1257 BTC [+] {2}
16:00	mircea_popescu	this is universal.
16:00	mircea_popescu	people have been wanting to short mpex for a year,
16:00	mircea_popescu	provided they don't have to post any collateral.
16:01	mircea_popescu	they would bet, except bitbet requires the actual btc. etc.
16:01	ThickAsThieves	or sell miners, without taking any risk
16:01	mircea_popescu	indeed.
16:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.053 = 0.53 BTC [+]
16:04	mircea_popescu	sdrs are backed by a basket of other fiats. it's not that much backing in the first place.
16:04	mircea_popescu	moreover, as the proportion is fixed, they have all the disadvantages of a bimetallic system, which are marked.
16:05	ThickAsThieves	now if i recall, your background is in business consulting, why so much finance knowledge?
16:05	mircea_popescu	lol the crime iof knowing too much.
16:06	mircea_popescu	business consulting doesn't necessarily mean working for small businesses you know.
16:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 263 @ 0.00121002 = 0.3182 BTC [-] {3}
16:07	ThickAsThieves	sure, but your degree of knowledge probably rivals most that are dedicated to the field
16:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 251 @ 0.00120817 = 0.3033 BTC [-] {3}
16:07	mircea_popescu	as flattering as that may be, knowledge and understanding are sometimes divergent.
16:07	benkay_	mircea_popescu: what are the sundry disadvantages of bimetallic systems?
16:07	mircea_popescu	anyone can learn what the chess pieces are.
16:08	ThickAsThieves	true
16:08	benkay_	(few can memorize the opening trees, much less play the chaotic variants)
16:08	mircea_popescu	benkay_ you have two metals that both work in the same capacity, and you fix an exchange rate between them which you can't easily change.
16:08	mircea_popescu	as a result you'll constantly be arbitraged out of value.
16:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 286 @ 0.00120005 = 0.3432 BTC [-] {3}
16:09	mircea_popescu	if the yen is 11.6675% of a sdr and 11.6672% of the world economy people will short one and long the other somehow. this slowly whittles your holdings towards them.
16:10	mircea_popescu	on paper this sounds like nothing at all, but in practice the fabled soros breaking of the bank of england was this, fundamentally.
16:10	benkay_	o hey
16:10	benkay_	thanks
16:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00059999 = 1.2 BTC [+]
16:12	robitnik	TAT, the NeoBee migration to Havelock seems to be going smoothly. Nice work.
16:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140 @ 0.00084387 = 0.1181 BTC [+]
16:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.000165 = 0.825 BTC [-]
16:14	ThickAsThieves	thx, Havelock made it easy
16:14	ThickAsThieves	still trying to reach Ukyo...
16:15	mircea_popescu	but anyway, back to the point : i didn't use sdrs as an example of the role of bitcoin.
16:15	mircea_popescu	i used sdrs as an example of a currency item that can never be bought or held by joe scjhmoe.
16:15	mircea_popescu	yet nevertheelss has a nonzero value
16:16	ThickAsThieves	I see
16:17	ThickAsThieves	so do you have specific predictions for how btc will be used in your possible future?
16:18	mircea_popescu	well yes, take for instance the letter of credit.
16:18	ThickAsThieves	international remittance seems the next wave
16:18	mircea_popescu	something like that.
16:18	mircea_popescu	currently if i wish to pay a supplier I must apply to a bank, which may within a month or so issue me a loc, provided
16:18	mircea_popescu	the supplier is on the us approved lists of suppluiers that may be paid, and the bank feels like doing it and so on and so forth.
16:19	mircea_popescu	or i can just send them 50k btc within a half hour and be done with it.
16:19	ThickAsThieves	sounda an awful lot like a check
16:19	ThickAsThieves	sounds*
16:20	mircea_popescu	well yes. a loc is basically a large industrial check.
16:20	mircea_popescu	they also cost way too much for what they do.
16:20	ThickAsThieves	more like a cahsier's check i suppose
16:20	lyspooner	Bitbook raided by the FBI? http://bitstarsite.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/bitbook-raided-one-hour-ago/
16:20	mircea_popescu	more like a certified draft or w.e
16:21	dub	wtf is a bitbook
16:21	ThickAsThieves	nice article
16:21	mircea_popescu	very popular ?!
16:21	mircea_popescu	da fuck i never heard of it ?
16:21	lyspooner	hang on let me Tineye that image
16:21	dub	credible news source to boot
16:21	dub	BITSTARSITELOLKEK
16:22	pankkake	sports betting only it seems
16:22	mircea_popescu	o hey looky, bootstrap
16:22	mircea_popescu	Forbidden (403)
16:22	mircea_popescu	CSRF verification failed. Request aborted.
16:22	mircea_popescu	You are seeing this message because this HTTPS site requires a 'Referer header' to be sent by your Web browser, but none was sent.
16:22	mircea_popescu	herp.
16:22	kakobrekla	url?
16:23	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.0
16:23	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.msg3295151#msg3295151
16:23	mircea_popescu	that shit's dope.
16:24	mircea_popescu	"NO, IT'S A BAD GOD. THIS IS NOT GOOD... NO BITBOOK REPS, NO NOTHING RIGHT NOW. THE SITE JUST STRAIGHT UP DISAPPEARED. AND I WAS LITERALLY JUST WITHDRAWING THE BITCOINS INTO CASH. I HAVE LIKE $0 I NEEDED THAT MONEY SO BADLY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND."
16:24	pankkake	> THAT'S LIKE SERIOUSLY MY LIFE SAVINGS
16:24	mircea_popescu	i guess there IS a sr alternative now ?
16:24	dub	HELP I NEED MY COINS. BITBOOK HAS 15 OF MY COINS THAT'S LIKE SERIOUSLY MY LIFE SAVINGS I'M GOING TO FLIP MY SHIT.
16:24	dub	oh snap
16:24	mircea_popescu	ha! you were last once dub boy!
16:24	dub	SHIT ABOUT TO BE FLIPPED YO
16:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 1.2 = 8.4 BTC [-] {2}
16:25	lyspooner	the bitstarsite used the picture from somewhere else http://www.democracychronicles.com/nj-politics-overwhelmed-by-role-of-money-in-elections/
16:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 29391 @ 0.00012161 = 3.5742 BTC [-] {5}
16:26	mircea_popescu	anyway, here's a funny thing re locs that'll probably make anyone jealous.
16:26	mircea_popescu	my bank here in romania is giving me free securitized BLO forms which I may use for any amt, even 50 bux,
16:26	dub	so that 'blog' is 100% referral begging posts
16:26	mircea_popescu	and they DO include the extra call to release which is basically all a loc provides
16:26	dub	seems legit
16:27	mircea_popescu	making romanian banking better than bitcoin, even.
16:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.20628571 = 8.444 BTC [-] {4}
16:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00028843 = 1.4422 BTC [+] {2}
16:35	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/3C9Bng7NPPY
16:35	mircea_popescu	someone should ipo this.
16:36	ozbot	the touch - YouTube
16:43	nubbins`	i developed an algorithm to predict the next 12 difficulty increases last november, and it's been correct within 2% for the past five months
16:44	pankkake	I would be surprised if it worked for the following months
16:45	jurov	nubbins`: i reused mining forecast spreadsheet and it was very accurate, too
16:45	jurov	just assumed it will go up 30% every time and the time will shorten accordingly
16:45	kakobrekla	wiki doesnt have any info on joe scjhmoe
16:46	nubbins`	ah, i used ODEs, complicated as fuck
16:46	kakobrekla	o i was scrolled up nevermind
16:46	nubbins`	your method sounds easier ;p
16:46	ThickAsThieves	and how do you separate accuracy from coincidence?
16:47	nubbins`	see, that's the thing, you can't
16:48	jurov	yes i can't
16:48	nubbins`	plus i'm totally making this all up
16:49	nubbins`	so you need to weigh that as well
16:49	jurov	add to it cases when next increase falls around idiffs expiration time
16:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.01195825 = 0.3587 BTC [-] {6}
16:49	jurov	which is about to happen on October 16th
16:50	jurov	either 190m or 250m will be paid, no one knows how much
16:50	jurov	fun :)
16:52	jurov	short idiffs, ddos all the pools
16:52	nubbins`	profit!
16:52	nubbins`	you should ipo that
16:53	BingoBoingo	In which a representative of SolarWindMiningCompany asked "dafuq is BingoBoingo" http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/07/re_dafuq_has_the_nerve/ A reply to an AMAZING COMPANY
16:53	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:54	jurov	https://www.cryptsy.com/ moar altcoinz, moar amazing
16:54	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:54	ozbot	Cryptsy - Trade Home
16:55	nubbins`	http://25.media.tumblr.com/3191541bb5c4862c10d9b705ad6b0bf7/tumblr_mqajegAvOJ1rypweio1_500.gif
16:55	nubbins`	^^^ ipo that
16:55	nubbins`	amazing cat
16:55	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:55	Rulother	jeez
16:55	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 4 @ 0.085495 = 0.342 BTC [+] {2}
16:55	nubbins`	do not click if you have epilepsy
16:56	jurov	too late
16:56	nubbins`	do not have epilepsy
16:58	nubbins`	i wonder would people buy green coffee beans with btc?
16:58	nubbins`	i've got a bunch that i won't be roasting any time soon
17:12	dexX7	uh oh http://smidge.com/
17:12	jborkl	What is smidge anyway?
17:13	mircea_popescu	lol good one.
17:13	nubbins`	LEL
17:13	jborkl	besides done and usagi
17:13	nubbins`	wasn't smidge traded on havelock for like a day and a half or something?
17:13	mircea_popescu	"I largely address the issue of who the fuck has the never for this "
17:13	mircea_popescu	not bad
17:13	dexX7	jborkl: otc fund
17:13	dexX7	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgLGW6ARhmFLdDVyLUFPYjBHX0FIWWxXTy1Bc09uaVE&usp=sharing
17:13	ozbot	Google Docs - Online documents, spreadsheets, presentations, surveys, file storage and more
17:14	mircea_popescu	smidge is this irl accountant guy with a jet fighter pilot wife and two kids, who used to broker for mpex and do a bunch of other venture stuff
17:14	mircea_popescu	but has been busy with fambly past year or so.
17:14	ThickAsThieves	isnt that smickles?
17:14	nubbins`	his kids brokered for mpex? jesus
17:14	dexX7	x_X
17:14	kakobrekla	lol
17:15	kakobrekla	its smickles yea not smidge
17:15	kakobrekla	lmao
17:15	mircea_popescu	o fuck me.
17:15	ThickAsThieves	lol
17:15	nubbins`	smi*
17:15	mircea_popescu	ok ok. smidge is this dangerously close to smickles named guy, who;'s kinda young, unwed,
17:15	mircea_popescu	and been trying to do things of import on the forum with moderate success.
17:15	kakobrekla	smidge is also known as midge.
17:15	nubbins`	does he at least have a girlfriend who is a boat captain or something?
17:15	mircea_popescu	i suppose he's taken -pr ish advice and is nao lurking
17:15	ThickAsThieves	he also disappeared when we called him usagi
17:16	ThickAsThieves	and usagi disappeared too
17:16	nubbins`	we are all usagi
17:16	dexX7	yup from this channel
17:16	mircea_popescu	i don't think he's usagi because he made german-type slight style errors
17:16	dexX7	though smidge has a few social profiles which look legit
17:16	mircea_popescu	whereas princess oliver is purely midwestern
17:16	ThickAsThieves	yeah, he pm'd me very angry that day
17:16	dexX7	lol rly?
17:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 25113 @ 0.00012068 = 3.0306 BTC [-] {3}
17:16	ThickAsThieves	apparently being called usagi is a pretty damning insult
17:17	mircea_popescu	well...
17:17	nubbins`	usagi is the new judas
17:17	mircea_popescu	i wonder if judas had tits
17:17	jborkl	calling someone Usagi is very insulting
17:17	mircea_popescu	would she had still been the villain
17:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 121603 @ 0.00011355 = 13.808 BTC [-] {20}
17:17	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: well, look at jesus' wife
17:18	jborkl	I think that means dumbass in Japanese
17:18	nubbins`	people called her a hooker!
17:18	jborkl	or maybe tranny
17:18	mircea_popescu	jborkl i agree. imo the insult ladder goes like taaki > usagi > pietilla > wagner
17:18	jborkl	taaki has awesome hair :/
17:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.17 BTC [-]
17:19	mircea_popescu	i never saw him naked.
17:19	jborkl	lol touche
17:20	dexX7	i liked pietilla before he went nuts
17:20	dexX7	btc = $ 300k !
17:20	mircea_popescu	i liked him after he went nuts past the point of common nuttery into pure trollage.
17:21	mircea_popescu	"If you are a representative of Solar Wind Mining reading this, be aware that I’m not calling you a scam. I’m saying that you potentially legitimate venture doesn’t even look as good as some scams, and this situation was entirely preventable."
17:21	mircea_popescu	ajhaha this is epic.
17:22	mircea_popescu	"bitch, i'm not saying you're a whore, i'm saying you look worse than plenty of whores and this is all your doing."
17:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.169 = 11.69 BTC [-] {2}
17:29	jurov	https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/page/faq behold the experts
17:29	ozbot	FAQ | Bitcoin Press Center
17:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 414 @ 0.01159447 = 4.8001 BTC [-] {12}
17:30	ThickAsThieves	self-nominated of course
17:30	mircea_popescu	Q: Do the moderators decide who is added or not?
17:30	mircea_popescu	A: No, the moderators only check accuracy. They are neither qualified nor authorized to make press relations decisions
17:30	jurov	who isn't?
17:30	jurov	maybe mpoe-pr can register :D
17:31	nubbins`	a+, would nominate
17:31	ThickAsThieves	they need some sorta badges too
17:31	ThickAsThieves	how can i add my klout score?
17:31	ThickAsThieves	:)
17:32	nubbins`	lel
17:32	nubbins`	https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/presscontact/ryan-dickherber
17:32	ozbot	Ryan Dickherber | Bitcoin Press Center
17:32	mircea_popescu	that can;t be a name
17:32	nubbins`	that's up there with Destiny Fardy-Butt
17:32	mircea_popescu	does he harbor the dick ?
17:33	ThickAsThieves	i should make one and use trilema quotes for all my citations
17:33	dub	usagi chose 'smidge' because it was close to smickles and he had gone awol
17:33	jborkl	https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/presslist-filtered/spoken-slovak
17:33	ozbot	Bitcoin Press Center | A global media center for bitcoin
17:33	dub	standard operating proceedure
17:33	nubbins`	he harbours that fucking stogie pretty well
17:34	jborkl	TuurDemeester < that was another name on the site
17:34	pankkake	https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/presscontact/mari-n-jan-u-ka
17:34	jborkl	turd dumpster
17:34	nubbins`	https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/sites/default/files/me_big.jpg
17:34	nubbins`	lelelel
17:34	ThickAsThieves	tuur is a pretty good dude
17:34	nubbins`	i bet the WSJ is calling him right now
17:34	jurov	btw and it came out exactly this dude is going to install bitcoin atm in bratislava
17:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3698 @ 0.00084045 = 3.108 BTC [-]
17:35	Apocalyptic	nice, do you know where exactly jurov ?
17:35	jurov	was not said where yet
17:36	pankkake	I want some bitcoin ass to mouth
17:36	jurov	JobTitle:CEO, IT Conslutant lmaoooooooo
17:36	nubbins`	so i received a judgment in the mail today, regarding the claim we filed against our previous tenants
17:36	nubbins`	they awarded us 100% of what we asked for!
17:36	nubbins`	party time
17:36	jborkl	https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/presslist-filtered/spoken-korean
17:36	ozbot	Bitcoin Press Center | A global media center for bitcoin
17:36	jborkl	lolol
17:36	ThickAsThieves	so sexy!
17:36	pankkake	conslutant is a pretty much what consultants should actually call themselves
17:37	Apocalyptic	heh
17:37	dub	nubbins`: spend it on psychotic hookers
17:38	ThickAsThieves	after seeing Roger Ver in person I no longer think someone had a gun to his head in that Gox-is-fine video, he's just that uncomfortable acting all the time
17:38	mircea_popescu	nubbins` get pankkake to tell you what the mystery drug is called
17:38	nubbins`	dub: i just press my ear to the wall if i want psychotic hookers
17:38	mircea_popescu	nubbins` why not ask them over ?
17:38	nubbins`	pankkake: what is the mystery drug called? (?)
17:38	ThickAsThieves	a fun moment was when Mike Hearn told the Mastercoin guy his project was shit
17:38	pankkake	I cannot tell
17:38	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: she's a beast
17:39	ThickAsThieves	something like "i believe you are actually trying to do it, i just dont think you are capable"
17:39	pankkake	so bitcoin central sends me a mail to say I'm refused again, does not tell me why, and the website says everything is still under review
17:39	nubbins`	currently she is screaming "GERRRAHHHHHHHHHHHH" to her empty apartment
17:39	ThickAsThieves	i think Hearn was my favorite guy
17:39	ThickAsThieves	he has that i'm so smart it hurts to be around you attitude
17:39	nubbins`	interspersed with wails of despair and things being thrown at walls
17:39	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves im curious what happens if hearn ever gets his shit together and shows up at some event of mine
17:39	mircea_popescu	cause basically i hold the same opinion of him.
17:40	ThickAsThieves	he was even reasonable when i asked him if he felt this whole decntralization of everything trend was a worthy pursuit
17:40	ThickAsThieves	said it's not his pursuit, and that i was right to question it
17:41	nubbins`	i'm going to start a forum called bitcoinchat.org
17:41	ThickAsThieves	i believe centralization is the natural evolution of most things
17:41	mircea_popescu	well sure. ask him if he thinks it's ok to submit revisions to code he's never read.
17:41	nubbins`	you have to pay to sign up
17:41	ThickAsThieves	oh
17:41	mircea_popescu	that'll be a diff question.
17:41	nubbins`	and you get dividends
17:41	nubbins`	every time you post
17:41	ThickAsThieves	i also asked him about the "core devs"
17:41	mircea_popescu	nubbins` something like that might actually work. a ponzi forum
17:41	ThickAsThieves	basically i expressed that this name alone worries me,
17:41	nubbins`	not a ponzi
17:42	nubbins`	you get divs!
17:42	mircea_popescu	you pay X to join, you get a percentage of all subsequent joins equal to your "trust rating"
17:42	mircea_popescu	as voted by other members.
17:42	ThickAsThieves	that accepting the devs as "core" is the most dangerous centralization in bitcoin
17:42	ThickAsThieves	on this he disagreed
17:42	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: i just need to figure out how to structure the "house edge"
17:42	ThickAsThieves	he says Gavin knows what's best and he trusts him, basically
17:42	ThickAsThieves	i didnt press the issue, but i disagreee
17:42	mircea_popescu	well i don't.
17:42	mircea_popescu	used to , but after the retarded server shit... meh.
17:43	ThickAsThieves	i both appreciate that some party is making the effort, and worry that it's just one party
17:44	ThickAsThieves	what if Gavin is wrong one day? or makes a big mistake?
17:44	ThickAsThieves	etc
17:44	ThickAsThieves	or dies
17:44	mircea_popescu	im hard pressed to appreciate the effort these days.
17:44	ThickAsThieves	i also brought up the Btc foundation
17:44	ThickAsThieves	he said there's no situation where gavin would just do what they vote for
17:44	ThickAsThieves	paid or not
17:45	ThickAsThieves	did i already tell you guys about the moment with the central banks being put on the spot?
17:46	ThickAsThieves	it was pretty awesome
17:46	ThickAsThieves	it was the Regulation panel
17:46	ThickAsThieves	i wonder if there's a vid
17:46	nubbins`	do tell
17:46	ThickAsThieves	there is
17:47	ThickAsThieves	i'll find it
17:47	dub	what circlejerk have you been attending?
17:47	ThickAsThieves	Bitcoin Europe
17:47	nubbins`	aka BTC-E
17:47	dub	who ate the biscuit?
17:47	nubbins`	everybody
17:50	ThickAsThieves	the panel is Wieske Ebbe (Dutch Central Bank), Michael Maier (Fidor Bank), Niels Ploeger (Amsterdam Police), Joerg Platzer (Crypto Economics Consulting Group) & Casper Riekerk (Finnius Lawyers)
17:50	ThickAsThieves	finding place in video
17:51	ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaW2iPSPEs0&feature=player_detailpage#t=2218
17:51	ozbot	Regulation Of Bitcoin - The European Bitcoin Convention -- 2013 Amsterdam - YouTube
17:51	ThickAsThieves	there i think that's it
17:51	pankkake	interesting that non-hard-core-bitcoiners were there
17:52	pankkake	;;tslb
17:52	gribble	Time since last block: 48 minutes and 5 seconds
17:52	ThickAsThieves	the audience question basically boils down to "Who are the real criminals, and what are you doing to regulate yourselves"
17:52	ThickAsThieves	it's the only question no one on the panel attempted to answer
17:53	dub	at 22:18?
17:53	pankkake	haha, nice
17:53	dub	(your links does nt work)
17:53	pankkake	at 37:40ish
17:53	ThickAsThieves	37:10 is when it begins
17:55	pankkake	why does the mac have more than one apple logo?
17:55	pankkake	is this the special fanboy edition?
17:55	kakobrekla	lol
17:55	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/u4Ba5k5
17:55	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
17:56	nubbins`	that's one of the things the tenants left behind
17:56	nubbins`	fucked up
17:56	dub	lolwut
17:57	nubbins`	right?
17:57	jborkl	lol that is kinda strange
17:57	nubbins`	the guy who drew that has a 9yo daughter
17:57	nubbins`	and i found diapers in his room, too
17:57	nubbins`	really really really strange stuff
17:57	pankkake	lol
17:58	pankkake	I like those guys, they make me think I have a normal sexuality
17:58	nubbins`	heh
17:58	nubbins`	he also had a photo album
17:58	BingoBoingo	Oh, the Ryan Dickherber character got a mention here. At some point he contacted me in response to some local meetup I half assedly tried to organize. He seemed rather boring so I didn't bother. Pretty sure it is actually his name though.
17:58	nubbins`	full of pictures of wizards, fantasy landscapes, and a small section of women's faces on the very last page, with cut-out photos of himself glued on top
17:59	ThickAsThieves	gonna link the vid of Hearn chewing up mastercoin
17:59	ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyZ7ZgCq_o&feature=player_detailpage#t=457
17:59	ozbot	Decentralized Exchange Panel - The European Bitcoin Convention -- 2013 Amsterdam - YouTube
17:59	nubbins`	mastercoin is a pretty good chuckle
18:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
18:01	ThickAsThieves	apparently no one filmed me asked the quantum mining guys who they thought they were fooling
18:01	ThickAsThieves	asking*
18:02	blastbob	alot of altcoin focus on that convetion?
18:02	pankkake	that sounds like another diaspora* in the making
18:02	ThickAsThieves	not much altcoin focus really
18:02	ThickAsThieves	charlie lee did appear twice
18:02	ThickAsThieves	but to discuss coinbase mostly
18:03	ThickAsThieves	i considered asking him when they would list ltc
18:03	blastbob	ah ok
18:03	ThickAsThieves	but i knew he wouldnt answer
18:03	blastbob	i think one of the other guys at coinbase said in a video that they wasnt going to
18:03	blastbob	after he said they hired lee
18:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 48 @ 0.0041 = 0.1968 BTC [+]
18:06	ThickAsThieves	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/10/07/the-switchboard-the-fbi-has-only-seized-26000-of-the-600000-bitcoins-silk-road-raked-in/
18:06	ozbot	The Switchboard: The FBI has only seized 26,000 of the 600,000 Bitcoins Silk Road raked in
18:06	ThickAsThieves	sigh
18:06	blastbob	so is btctc web gone?
18:06	ThickAsThieves	the FBI has seized some 26,000 Bitcoins, but they have "not been able to get to Ulbricht’s personal Bitcoin yet. 'That’s like another $80 million worth,' [and FBI spokesperson] said
18:07	nubbins`	after reading that, i wondered if they even knew what addresses the funds are in
18:07	nubbins`	or if they're just guessing
18:08	ThickAsThieves	i still think it's based on sales logs
18:08	ThickAsThieves	rather than actually knowing a wallet is out there
18:10	nubbins`	well, that's silly
18:12	b0n1	mircea_popescu, still there?
18:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00083744 = 2.0936 BTC [-]
18:15	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3295891#msg3295891 LOL
18:15	ozbot	[BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN]
18:15	pankkake	I wonder why people don't just setup auto renewal
18:16	nubbins`	haha
18:16	nubbins`	because they might really NEED that ten bucks, this time next year
18:17	dub	DEEEEERP
18:17	dub	I thought .co domains were free
18:21	mircea_popescu	yes.
18:22	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves strangely enough for a "dutch central bank" rep, nobody heard of this ebe fellow.
18:23	mircea_popescu	;;google site:dnb.nl ebbe
18:24	gribble	No matches found.
18:24	b0n1	http://trilema.com/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/ although I read the article I couldn't find a reason way back and lay betting with btc is problematic
18:24	ozbot	Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:25	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo glwt.
18:26	BingoBoingo	Thanks mircea_popescu they seem like they can't even throw a proper labcoin style AMAZINGCOMPANY shitstorm. This might be more boring than I anticipated.
18:26	mircea_popescu	b0n1 well, ok. let's see here
18:27	mircea_popescu	do you grok the part of how back/lay is a subset of mutual betting ?
18:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2443 @ 0.00083772 = 2.0465 BTC [+]
18:28	b0n1	no
18:28	mircea_popescu	mkay. this is a problem of maffs. let's try something else :
18:29	mircea_popescu	do you see how the back/lay system distributes liquidity arbitrarily ?
18:31	b0n1	yes
18:32	mircea_popescu	okay. do you see how that can be used to shave a significant edge off the naive players ?
18:32	b0n1	no
18:33	nubbins`	"The last time I had seen grown humans throw up like stressed out cats we were in a ditch and being fired upon."
18:33	nubbins`	do elaborate
18:33	ThickAsThieves	paintball
18:34	mircea_popescu	b0n1 ok, simpler case of that : mutual betting is lay/back with no spread. if you can lay for 45 cents then you can back for 55, precisely.
18:34	mircea_popescu	nubbins` nah ty.
18:35	nubbins`	tease
18:35	nubbins`	tat, lel
18:36	b0n1	yeah, i see that point
18:37	mircea_popescu	now consider the cancellation problem.
18:37	mircea_popescu	a mutual bet you can always cancel by making an appropiate bet on the other side.
18:37	mircea_popescu	a back/lay bet you can only cancel if someone is willing to unwind you.
18:38	mircea_popescu	in low liquidity this becomes pretty huge.
18:38	dub	http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/scot%20free.html not sure how I stumbled on this but the pic of Dred Scott alone is worth the share
18:38	ozbot	Scot free
18:39	b0n1	yes mircea_popescu
18:39	mircea_popescu	i thought it was about scottish people
18:39	mircea_popescu	b0n1 so basically, mutual betting is better for the bettor. line betting is great for the bookie. lay/back is great for the site/liquidity provider
18:39	mircea_popescu	which is i guess another way of saying bookie.
18:40	b0n1	yes but additionally lay/back is also good for arbing
18:40	mircea_popescu	give an example
18:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7805 @ 0.00083743 = 6.5361 BTC [-] {2}
18:41	b0n1	for example in a football game when you can bet on team A or team B or draw and also lay every bet, too
18:41	b0n1	there can be many scenarios where there are arbitrage opportunities
18:42	mircea_popescu	sure, the event can be repackaged every which way, but fundamentally it's either a or b.
18:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309 @ 0.00083772 = 0.2589 BTC [+]
18:43	b0n1	yes, but you can for example lay b and bet a and can do arbitrage with that
18:43	mircea_popescu	i don't see we have such a shortage of events that we need to make them last by creating dozens of bets out of the same one thing
18:44	b0n1	because prices are set by supply and demand from the users, at least thats how it works on betfair
18:44	mircea_popescu	you can do the same exact thing on mutual betting, except paying less vig.
18:44	mircea_popescu	take the most recent cointerra thing :
18:44	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/550/cointerra-will-deliver-in-2013/
18:44	ozbot	BitBet - Cointerra will deliver in 2013
18:44	mircea_popescu	;;calc 5.16 / 0.08
18:44	gribble	64.5
18:45	mircea_popescu	unless you think it's 64.5 to 1 they actually deliver, there's some arbitrage there.
18:45	mike_c	yeah.. my issue is that it feels like unless you get in early there is no way to bet.
18:45	mike_c	i.e. http://bitbet.us/bet/119/the-spot-gold-price-will-trade-above-2000-oz/
18:45	mike_c	the odds on both sides suck.
18:46	mike_c	unless i misunderstand something..
18:46	mircea_popescu	how can the odds on both sides suck ?
18:46	b0n1	mircea_popescu, i am not sure whether that is of the same nature as the point i want to mention here
18:46	nubbins`	okay, i'm going to step outside for a few moments
18:46	nubbins`	in the meantime
18:46	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/9EqWU
18:46	ozbot	This is why damage deposits exist. - Imgur
18:46	mircea_popescu	mike_c well, it's an 8 month old bet. it's almost dead. you still get 1.1 / 1.7 for 2 months out.
18:47	mike_c	yeah. just seems like the weight drops off so quickly that its tough to get in. The weighting system seems to go against your philosophy of monitoring the bet and pushing the other side if you think the bet has moved the wrong way.
18:48	mircea_popescu	seeing how it's 1.3k atm... seems about right to me. you get better odds on that somewhere ?
18:48	mircea_popescu	i dunno that it does that honestly.
18:49	mircea_popescu	seems to me it's actually pricing the thing pretty darned accurately. if you look at options they're a worse deal.
18:49	mike_c	lemme check
18:49	mircea_popescu	i dunno that you can derive 10% gains over ghold staying under 2k an ounce for the rest of the year
18:50	mircea_popescu	b0n1 what'd be the difference you'd say?
18:51	mike_c	nasdaq.com is slow as shit.
18:52	mike_c	ok. i agree with you (and therefore will place a bet). let me find a better example or understand that I was wrong.
18:53	mircea_popescu	in general it's a daunting proposition, because it's so unstructured.
18:53	mircea_popescu	people are used to the very cloistered situation traditional betting venues offer.
18:53	mircea_popescu	the only problem is, traditional betting venues work much like the casino, to skim as much as possible.
18:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00083797 = 6.3267 BTC [+] {2}
18:56	b0n1	mircea_popescu, what i mean with arbing is for example in a binary bet where you can bet on event A or B you could lay both and make profit ( arbitrage opportunity)
18:57	b0n1	the quotes for bet/lay of an event A are not "entangled" with bet/lay of an event B so to say
18:58	mircea_popescu	so then if the events are unrelated then this is simply atiomic betting. you can bet no on all the various miner deliveries on bitbet and win with all
18:58	mircea_popescu	heck, people have.
19:00	b0n1	don't see the point here
19:01	mircea_popescu	well me either.
19:01	mircea_popescu	so you can lay two unrelated bets. if they're unrelated that;'s not arbitrage.
19:02	mircea_popescu	so basically you'd like to bet with stupid people ?
19:02	b0n1	well mircea_popescu a lot of money make a living with that all day on betfair ...
19:02	b0n1	a lot of people
19:03	mircea_popescu	i don't think a discussion of the cluelessness of the population can in principle be made into a comparison of betting systems.
19:03	mircea_popescu	while this may be true, either in your own case or even generally, it still has northing to do with the car.
19:05	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: apparently I'm a sock for your PR now, or she's a sock for me? I'm wondering if this SolarWind thing has scammed before https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297334.msg3296064#msg3296064
19:06	b0n1	well... initially I was wondering why there is no back/lay betting system for btc so far. You told me then that there are difficulties and I was curious about them, but still dont get it I am afraid
19:07	b0n1	mircea_popescu, what alternatives?
19:08	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo better learn to walk in heels.
19:09	b0n1	I think its an idea worth thinking about since back/lay betting systems are much more attractive for intelligent punters who don't want to get robbed by line bettings
19:10	mircea_popescu	until they put the afternoon required into figuring it out and move on to mutual.
19:13	peterl	BTCT will be open for trading for one more day due to the domain registration lasping today https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3296116#msg3296116
19:14	b0n1	http://bitbet.us/bet/550/cointerra-will-deliver-in-2013/ why is nobody betting a yes here? Chances are much higher for yes atm than for no
19:14	peterl	what's a cointerra?
19:14	b0n1	i mean a reasonable big amount on yes
19:14	mircea_popescu	b0n1 well it's new, prolly nobody with a balance saw it yet.
19:15	mircea_popescu	or who knows, maybe there's no confidence in delivery.
19:16	BingoBoingo	After the Picostocks news I'm leaning towards no chance CoinTerra delivers, if they deliver at all I imagine it would be BFL style...
19:17	b0n1	but someone here confirmed some hours ago visiting cointerra that they would deliver
19:17	mircea_popescu	it's a great thing all these "companies" don't actually have professional cfos involved so nobody realises just how much damage a faux pas of the sort does to their prospects
19:18	b0n1	also there is high evidence since they already sold the december batch
19:18	mircea_popescu	b0n1 twas jborkl, and he said that's what they said not what they'll do necessarily.
19:18	mircea_popescu	lol by this criteria bfl delivered in 2012.
19:18	b0n1	:)
19:19	kakobrekla	!bash 2
19:19	assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1409055/plain/)
19:19	b0n1	the only reasonable amount in there so far is a 5 btc on no and even the owner of this bet believes it is a yes since it was a hedge
19:19	kakobrekla	well thats a fail
19:22	mircea_popescu	b0n1 mike_c was discussing a 50+ btc bet earlier. what's your definition of reasonable ?
19:22	assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1409061/plain/)
19:22	kakobrekla	!b 5
19:22	benkay	ThickAsThieves nobody caught you grilling the quantum guys?
19:22	b0n1	on no?
19:22	kakobrekla	yay
19:22	BingoBoingo	b0n1: That 5 BTC no bet, probably wasn't a hedge. Sometimes a BitBet bet is just a bet and not a fancy hedge.
19:23	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/119/the-spot-gold-price-will-trade-above-2000-oz/
19:23	ozbot	BitBet - The spot gold price will trade above $2000/oz in 2013
19:23	mircea_popescu	43 no 11 yes or w/e
19:23	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/147/mtgox-out-of-business-by-end-of-year/
19:23	ThickAsThieves	Neo & Bee presentation at The Bitcoin Europe Conference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFmiDBLQA1o
19:23	ozbot	BitBet - MtGox out of business by end of year
19:23	mircea_popescu	22 : 6
19:24	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/518/btc-network-diff-to-top-210m-before-november/
19:24	ozbot	BitBet - BTC network diff to top 210M before November
19:24	mircea_popescu	whoa nelly.
19:24	mircea_popescu	diff bets are such crazytalk.
19:26	peterl	ThickAsThieves this video is really bad quality. Couldn't you at least get a tripod?
19:27	asciilifeform	anyone else notice Mr. S endorsing ESP? https://twitter.com/EJosephSnowden/status/384018062237659136
19:28	benkay	why are diff bets crazytalk?
19:29	mircea_popescu	well for instance that one looked like it'll go the other way at outset.
19:29	ThickAsThieves	peterl, the video was never planned to be made
19:29	ThickAsThieves	it's just me holding a tablet
19:30	ThickAsThieves	there was an official videographer there
19:30	peterl	oh, that explains it. I guess that is decent quality for a tablet video
19:30	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform huh ?!
19:30	ThickAsThieves	but no sign of the video from this session
19:30	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that was certainly my impression from the link.
19:31	mircea_popescu	what's esp for one ?
19:31	asciilifeform	as in telekinesis, etc
19:32	asciilifeform	he linked to some joker charging $$$$ for seminars in soothsaying, who makes clients sign NDA; S comments that 'they got to him, made him do it.'
19:32	mircea_popescu	uh
19:32	Vexual	the uh, cypress sec, um.. we are posing to um them a *shrug* guildline, to ... bitcoin...
19:32	mircea_popescu	mayhap the scrutiny is too close.
19:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 775 @ 0.00122 = 0.9455 BTC [-] {2}
19:34	asciilifeform	I'll laugh my arse off if it comes out that signals intel is being 'laundered' via... government soothsayers.
19:34	ThickAsThieves	Vexual, he was first presenter and a bit nervous maybe
19:35	ThickAsThieves	i dont think he's ever done this before
19:35	Vexual	yes
19:35	ThickAsThieves	i gave him some pointers after
19:35	mircea_popescu	wouldn't be the first time
19:35	ThickAsThieves	but yknow
19:35	mircea_popescu	but still. random shit ppkl say.
19:36	Vexual	reading between the line I am concerned about the lawyers saying that the regulators will be welcoming of their submissions
19:36	ThickAsThieves	everyone knows everyone in Cyprus
19:36	ThickAsThieves	it's very much a who-you-know kinda place
19:36	mircea_popescu	Vexual always a good idea to keep in mind that people talking binds nobody. including the people themselves most of the time.
19:36	Vexual	yes, any theyve said the lawyers are tight with the regulators
19:37	ThickAsThieves	this sentiment was repeated by other lawyers i spoke with in other countries,
19:37	ThickAsThieves	essentially the regulators welcome recommendations in new areas
19:37	ThickAsThieves	of course they will do what they want
19:37	Vexual	that the regulators will accept submission, of that their plan will get the green light?
19:38	mircea_popescu	lol.
19:38	mircea_popescu	bitcoin cares about this now ?
19:38	ThickAsThieves	but generally you can see the difference between germany or cyprus asking for guidance, and the US sending subpeonas
19:38	mircea_popescu	but anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cajcEZ5Z-x8
19:38	mircea_popescu	tada!
19:38	ThickAsThieves	the plan is already green lit
19:39	ThickAsThieves	the question is whether they will get additional regulation
19:39	Vexual	the business plan shows executive salaries exceeding legals before they even open for business
19:39	ThickAsThieves	i suggest you talk to Danny about specifics
19:39	ThickAsThieves	it's not MY business after all
19:40	ThickAsThieves	and legally i shouldnt really be spekaing on it at all anyway
19:40	ThickAsThieves	speaking*
19:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.15000001 = 2.3 BTC [-]
19:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 9000 @ 0.0001086 = 0.9774 BTC [-]
19:42	Vexual	give the lawyers a tidy share parcel and I forsee a different outcome
19:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3611 @ 0.00084376 = 3.0468 BTC [+]
19:49	Vexual	bitcoins on a plane!
19:50	nubbins`	!
19:51	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.0041 = 0.41 BTC [+]
20:00	KRS1	jeezus mircea_popescu dont you ever sleep
20:00	KRS1	doh he's gone i'll take that as a yes
20:01	KRS1	some of you m-f are here 24 hours a day and idk how
20:01	kakobrekla	lol
20:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.29 = 6.45 BTC [+]
20:05	dub	sleep is for the weak
20:06	KRS1	heh yeah until you get old :P
20:07	dub	lulz don't sleep, the internets sustain us
20:20	mod6	wat
20:20	mod6	We should note that in Nock and Hoon, 0 (pronounced “yes”) is true, and 1 (“no”) is false. Why? It’s fresh, it’s different, it’s new. And it’s annoying. And it keeps you on your toes. And it’s also just intuitively right.
20:20	mod6	umm no.
20:20	mod6	thats just fuckin wrong
20:21	kakobrekla	glwt
20:21	nubbins`	hahaha
20:22	nubbins`	amazing
20:22	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
20:22	mod6	that is the first thing so far that really has bothered me. you don't change something like "1 = true = has a value = something, not nothing" to "1 = false = has no value = not something" just for fun. thats confusing for the sake of being confusing.
20:22	nubbins`	no, you misunderstand
20:22	nubbins`	it's fresh
20:22	mod6	hhaha
20:22	nubbins`	i only write code in the freshest languages
20:23	mod6	im trying to determine if this will ever be useful outside of troll land.
20:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 65 @ 0.0041 = 0.2665 BTC [+]
20:27	mod6	talking to #urbit guys now..
20:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [+]
20:28	mod6	http://pastebin.com/wXarbrsT
20:28	ozbot	(17:24) < mod6> anyone care to enlighten me on this: (17:24) < mod6> We should - Pastebin.com
20:30	kakobrekla	u going poker challange?
20:30	kakobrekla	doing more than going
20:31	mod6	kakobrekla: not just yet. got a few other things to work on first. and still need to learn hoon before i can get anywhere.
20:32	mod6	and so far, its a mindjob.
20:32	mod6	i think i started a flame war in #urbit btw
20:32	kakobrekla	lol
20:33	kakobrekla	seems quiet?
20:34	mod6	eh, i guess its over lol
20:37	mod6	this is what the guy said:
20:37	mod6	http://pastebin.com/M3utNFtA
20:37	ozbot	(17:30) < mnemnion> truth is true in only one way, but falsehood takes many form - Pastebin.com
20:39	Vexual	false
20:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3300 @ 0.0001088 = 0.359 BTC [-] {2}
20:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.01133854 = 0.2268 BTC [-] {6}
20:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2798 @ 0.000133 = 0.3721 BTC [+]
20:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 1.14222222 = 10.28 BTC [-] {2}
20:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.2 = 4.8 BTC [-]
20:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.176 = 7.056 BTC [-] {2}
20:52	mod6	omfg
20:52	mod6	LOL
20:53	kakobrekla	i have seen enough.
20:53	mod6	dude.
20:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.01110019 = 0.2775 BTC [-] {4}
20:53	mod6	i want to get down to brass-tacks on this one before i waste any more time on it.
20:53	mod6	and i think its headed deeper and deeper in to trollville
20:53	kakobrekla	lolk
20:54	mod6	am i totally wrong / crazy / out-of-my league here?
20:54	kakobrekla	i think what they have is some jerk off kinda thing
20:55	mod6	ya
20:55	mod6	for you guys who wanna see the last little bit here: http://pastebin.com/rfY4PNvu
20:55	mod6	let me know what you think
20:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 700 @ 0.00126894 = 0.8883 BTC [+] {5}
20:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.47995898 = 2.8798 BTC [+] {2}
20:55	kakobrekla	doubt anyone cares really
20:55	kakobrekla	about those idiots
21:01	dub	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivD92uoBLik
21:02	dub	speaking of idiots
21:03	mod6	kakobrekla: yah you might be right...
21:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00083863 = 5.1156 BTC [-]
21:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 60 @ 0.0825 = 4.95 BTC [-]
21:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 66 @ 0.009699 = 0.6401 BTC [+]
		~ 31 minutes ~
21:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 753 @ 0.000148 = 0.1114 BTC [+]
22:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2366 @ 0.000148 = 0.3502 BTC [+]
22:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3950 @ 0.0001647 = 0.6506 BTC [+]
22:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1151 BTC [-]
22:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 272 @ 0.00118455 = 0.3222 BTC [-] {4}
22:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 133 @ 0.00502971 = 0.669 BTC [+] {5}
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22:48	nubbins`	unsalted kettle-cooked potato chips are amazing
22:48	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
22:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00084038 = 6.8911 BTC [+] {2}
22:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1248 @ 0.00028845 = 0.36 BTC [+]
22:55	VanCleef	amazing
22:55	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
22:55	VanCleef	classic
22:56	Vexual	slovakistan!
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23:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 30 @ 0.0041 = 0.123 BTC [+]
23:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27304 @ 0.00083716 = 22.8578 BTC [-] {5}
23:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 746 @ 0.00083653 = 0.6241 BTC [-]
23:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.0001587 = 0.1587 BTC [+]
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23:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00083708 = 7.0315 BTC [+]

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