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00:02 signpost nah I'm writing another giant pile of java shitware, because eh, it worked last time.
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11:40 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-09-27#1030567 << depending on wat precisely counts as 'a computer', and precisely what the threshold for 'exist' is (how many do you need? is success condition consisting of them being available in walmart for 100$ ?) -- conceivably '2-3 competent folx who don't need day jobs' scale.
11:40 bitbot Logged on 2023-09-27 21:38:04 signpost[billymg]: as you walk the dependency chain outward from your computer you're going to find it's an empire-scale project
11:41 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-09-27#1030574 << oblig .
11:41 bitbot Logged on 2023-09-27 21:48:10 signpost: the place to start this conversation is where one's ass sits. what would "sane computer" mean in your present context? what'd it enable that you currently can't do?
11:43 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-09-27#1030591 << the interesting bit there is how in fact ~not~ very custom. (e.g. intel's 'nsa core' they stuff in all of their irons they 'trust' because only runs signed turds, but otherwise is bog-standard 'c machine' running... minix)
11:43 bitbot Logged on 2023-09-27 23:02:06 signpost: only way I've speculated one could do so is by first being wildly successful at something else. consider that the tech giants all *have* custom hardware they do trust much more than the off the shelf shit.
11:45 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-09-27#1030597 << observe that gestapo not at all busy shutting down 'home spaceports'. for the elementary reason of non-existence
11:45 bitbot Logged on 2023-09-27 23:17:19 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|signpost]: feds would be rather quick to shut down any home fab
11:49 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-09-27#1030603 << sorta like asking 'what's the alternative to vodka & cirrhosis' ? individual q. answer it for yerself, find sumthing interesting that you actually want to do, with avail. resources
11:49 bitbot Logged on 2023-09-27 23:23:26 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|signpost]: so what's the alternative?
11:49 asciilifeform prostration is a sin.
11:51 asciilifeform it elementarily aint the case that 'need tmsc-scale fab & own spaceport & mars colony to do anyffin at all'
11:52 signpost seems like americans exported the hell out of this notion that visualizing your "dreams" is somehow directly causal.
11:52 asciilifeform see also apropos.
11:52 dulapbot (asciilifeform) 2022-04-15 asciilifeform: mangol: it may help to look at subj again after shedding 'desire to feel personally significant' and concern with 'critical masses'.
11:52 signpost gotta have the Big Vision, and believe in it like a southern preacher pretends to.
11:53 signpost (clears throat) prayer is how they taught you to sit on your hands.
11:53 asciilifeform signpost: sadly not uniquely american disease. is disease of folx who not picked up either of the two fundamental skills ( a) 'make things with hands' b) 'convince people to make things for you' ) growing up
11:55 asciilifeform there's a mass of these 'bonsai kittens' around, and unfortunately not only in usa. some -- defo curable, others -- surplus biomass doomed to sit with open mouth waiting for rain
12:00 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-09-27#1030612 << the moar 'american' disease is the notion that invididual 'wins' (by conquering known universe, nuffin else 'counts') or else 'loses'. the concept of 'make microscopic dent in the enemy line and yer life was not lived for nuffin' has turned into some kinda 'exotic kungfu' a
12:00 bitbot Logged on 2023-09-27 23:40:35 signpost: you either win against the empire with a huge technical leap that saturates the world faster than they can react, or by killing it.
12:00 asciilifeform mong reich victims
12:01 asciilifeform ... has turned into some kinda 'exotic kungfu' among reich victims
12:04 asciilifeform if one wants a thing that he can't buy at lolmart (e.g. fits-in-head computer) , the avail. actions are logically obvious -- a) get hold of req'd resources, bake it yerself b) find who can help you, help'em get hold of req'd resources c) wagner & cyanide
12:05 asciilifeform there is no (d).
12:06 asciilifeform ... and if yer asking for sumthing that is likely to take multiple lifetimes to bake, be prepared to contribute 1 of these lifetimes.
12:07 asciilifeform with 0 reward. (if there were a reward attached, you could then already buy $item at lolmart.)
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13:49 signpost all that said, when crt or whomever has a wrong idea, it isn't like this merits a crucifixion, and one'd be well served to see someone taking the time to have a thread with you as a friendly act.
13:49 bitbot Logged on 2023-09-27 23:57:17 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|signpost]: I really have nothing useful to contribute to this conversation, probably no near future ones either
13:53 signpost asciilifeform handed ya an incremental step towards sane compute here, could go and make a crappy version of this for fun.
13:53 bitbot Logged on 2023-09-27 20:17:03 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|signpost|billymg]: 2 colors of jack, 'red' (faces yer lan) and 1 or moar 'black' (faces heathen isp)
13:54 signpost not like one has to, but seems aligned with what you want.
13:57 asciilifeform signpost: current-day reich culture gives young folx screamingly unrealistic expectations ('you told me to bake $widget, but how does this kill hitler?') and 1st step in any kinda salvage of lost souls is inescapably to cure same
13:59 asciilifeform the other thing, that imho can sometimes be accomplished by conversation , if you can get the sufferer to sit still for same, is to point out 'low-hanging fruit'
14:00 asciilifeform e.g. 'sea of gates' fpga plenty big enuff to hold a nic phy + pestron has been avail. for 5+ yrs nao
14:00 asciilifeform ( and unsurprisingly afaik nuffin interesting baked, publicly, from same )
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