| 00:28 |
awt |
!!ticker btc usd |
| 00:28 |
deedbot |
$29,130 |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 00:53 |
awt |
china totally needs more american turists |
| 01:08 |
awt |
*tourists |
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~ 6 hours 52 minutes ~ |
| 08:00 |
discord_bridge |
awt#1146: Hello from discord. |
| 08:04 |
discord_bridge |
awtho: Hello from ipnoje |
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~ 1 hours 39 minutes ~ |
| 09:43 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: hey, new things can happen, but you're probably right. |
| 09:44 |
signpost |
iirc cold fusion also had early reports of replication that fizzled. |
| 09:53 |
discord_bridge |
awtho: Discord invite link for any who wish to use the channel: https://discord.gg/PxydBEeS |
| 09:55 |
discord_bridge |
s1gnp0st: |
| 09:55 |
discord_bridge |
awtho: welcome! |
| 09:55 |
discord_bridge |
s1gnp0st: neato, ty |
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~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 10:16 |
awt |
gregorynyssa: you still there? |
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~ 27 minutes ~ |
| 10:44 |
discord_bridge |
clumpy_lemons: |
| 10:45 |
awt |
Lol who are you clumpy_lemons? |
| 10:45 |
discord_bridge |
clumpy_lemons: This is lobbes |
| 10:45 |
discord_bridge |
clumpy_lemons: Neato btw |
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~ 1 hours 35 minutes ~ |
| 12:20 |
shinohai |
signpost: Is there a robots.txt file active on yer site or something? Running `wget -R -np http://problematic.site/src/pentacle/` grabs the index file and naught else. |
| 12:21 |
signpost |
just the default one supplied by wordpress that mentions /wp-admin |
| 12:21 |
signpost |
maybe I have the wget command goofed |
| 12:23 |
shinohai |
Ah yeah figured it otu: In readme is capital `R` for recursive when should be `-r` |
| 12:23 |
shinohai |
*out |
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~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 12:46 |
signpost |
ah will fix, ty |
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~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~ |
| 13:47 |
discord_bridge |
hortulanus#5682: I swear I'm not a bot |
| 13:48 |
asciilifeform |
awt: who are these folx? ( where didja post the heathen gateway link ? ) |
| 13:50 |
discord_bridge |
hortulanus#5682: I just followed a few links from http://nosuchlabs.com/ and ended up here |
| 13:51 |
asciilifeform |
a, from the logs? ok |
| 13:55 |
signpost |
welcome hortulanus |
| 13:56 |
* |
signpost curious now if deedbot will work over this, doubtful as yet. |
| 13:56 |
signpost |
!!help |
| 13:56 |
deedbot |
http://deedbot.org/help.html |
| 13:56 |
discord_bridge |
s1gnp0st: !!help |
| 13:57 |
PeterL |
does deedbot want the line to start with !! ? having the name probably keeps that from working |
| 13:57 |
signpost |
yeah. I might look into helping normies register a GPG key so they can eventually peer with someone on pest. |
| 13:58 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: didntcha already make this in #a ? |
| 13:58 |
asciilifeform |
they can register from there |
| 13:58 |
signpost |
or perhaps a web dispenser would be more normie-compat |
| 13:58 |
PeterL |
might have to put in an exception for discord_bridge so it skips to the next : |
| 13:59 |
asciilifeform |
even here oughta work if he simply starts line with !! neh |
| 13:59 |
asciilifeform |
or hm nm |
| 13:59 |
signpost |
could be made to, but currently wants nothing before !! |
| 13:59 |
asciilifeform |
it oughta pseudo-hearsay rather than printing name |
| 13:59 |
signpost |
that'd make it work, yep |
| 14:00 |
* |
signpost thinks letting n00bs in might be entertaining, even if later it ends up spawning a separate lobby-net |
| 14:01 |
PeterL |
might give us an opportunity to try out gagging at least? |
| 14:02 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: atm the n00bs seem quite opposite of excessively talkative |
| 14:02 |
* |
signpost snorts at "try out gagging" |
| 14:03 |
signpost |
hortulanus: what brought you to asciilifeform's site? want to introduce yourself? |
| 14:03 |
PeterL |
hmm, sounded funny to me too after I said it |
| 14:04 |
signpost |
he probably doesn't see that message since discord highlights use @ |
| 14:05 |
discord_bridge |
WillHaack#3379: heya, now i can say hi without vpatching , laziness prevails! |
| 14:05 |
PeterL |
I don't remember, is # a valid symbol for pest usernames? |
| 14:05 |
signpost |
decadence! |
| 14:06 |
signpost |
hi whaack |
| 14:06 |
discord_bridge |
WillHaack#3379: howdy |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
willhaack aha whaack ? ( or 'anuther shakespeare by same name' ? ) |
| 14:06 |
asciilifeform |
*aka |
| 14:07 |
PeterL |
were gonna haveta send out some gpg challenges to make these people verify their claimed ID, neh? |
| 14:07 |
discord_bridge |
WillHaack#3379: yup |
| 14:07 |
signpost |
better to just consider all bridged messages suspect |
| 14:08 |
PeterL |
right, that's easier |
| 14:08 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: easier to actually peer with folx rather than asking'em to sign messages they throw as hearsay |
| 14:08 |
discord_bridge |
WillHaack#3379: _gets nervous_ |
| 14:08 |
asciilifeform |
btw my station still seems to be peered with whaack's |
| 14:08 |
asciilifeform |
so not sure what he's doing in the heathen door |
| 14:10 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: all hearsays are equally 'suspect', bridge or not |
| 14:10 |
discord_bridge |
WillHaack#3379: I have yet to update pest I guess I don't need to exchange keys again though |
| 14:11 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: yup |
| 14:13 |
PeterL |
it is a bit confusing that people start lines addressed to specific people "username: ..." but the bridge starts lines coming from people the same way "username: ..." |
| 14:13 |
discord_bridge |
hortulanus#5682: signpost: I first found out about asciilifeform on Scott Locklin's comment section. Just reading through his blog now. Might try to run Pest on my device |
| 14:23 |
asciilifeform |
hortulanus#5682: welcome to pestnet! |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
hortulanus#5682: see logs if you haven't yet. they're searchable. |
| 14:26 |
PeterL |
hortulanus#5682: this place? https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2023/07/28/death-of-the-physical-library/ << a few years ago I was browsing the CMU library and realized they hadn't gotten any new hard-copy journals since 2008 |
| 14:26 |
PeterL |
(CMU = Central Mich U, not Carnegie Mellon U) |
| 14:27 |
discord_bridge |
hortulanus#5682: PeterL: I've been seeing his comments for a while, that one too |
| 14:27 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: asciilifeform is mildly surprised that they still print hardcopies at all. ( consider, nonpaying customers could read'em ! ) |
| 14:28 |
PeterL |
yeah, I was trying to be a non-paying customer and it certainly stopped me |
| 14:29 |
PeterL |
Where I work, we've found a nice benefit of hiring college interns is that they can get all the journal articles for free instead of us having to pay for them |
| 14:33 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: how often does your shop actually win from having these articles ? do people still in fact publish e.g. novel synthesis of xyz? or what are they for |
| 14:35 |
PeterL |
nah, mostly we are getting the articles for the analytical methods. I'd say we actually get a specific article one or two times a year, the rest of the time we can get what we need from the abstract or from articles we don't have to pay for. |
| 14:35 |
PeterL |
maybe not even that often |
| 14:36 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: asciilifeform was under the notion that classical analytical chem were dead, killed by 'drop it in the hopper and read the printout' instruments, gc/ms etc |
| 14:36 |
PeterL |
There are still people publishing interesting things, but there is a lot of fluff |
| 14:36 |
asciilifeform |
but nope ? |
| 14:38 |
PeterL |
no, there are sometimes you need to do something more specific to analyze a specific compound, or sometimes there are two very similar analytes that only get separated by treating the in a specific way |
| 14:38 |
asciilifeform |
a, interesting |
| 14:41 |
PeterL |
back when I was doing synthesis, I would have to read a lot more papers, but then my employer was paying for access to all the journals. For synthesis there are a lot more factors to consider, analysis is much more straightforward |
| 14:41 |
signpost |
PeterL: we're going to need you to personally confirm or reject the lk99 floaty-rocks. |
| 14:42 |
PeterL |
I'll put it on my to-do list... |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: does the 'more specific' thing mainly concern distinguishing isomers ? or are there other cases |
| 14:43 |
* |
asciilifeform took 2 semesters of ochem but otherwise a rube |
| 14:44 |
PeterL |
typically either isomers or otherwise very small differences (like having an ethyl vs methyl on the end) |
| 14:46 |
PeterL |
Recently I switched to a role in Quality Assurance, so I'm not actually in the lab anymore, I just go through stacks of other people's data to make sure they follow all the rules |
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~ 28 minutes ~ |
| 15:15 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-04#1029914 << Yes I am here. |
| 15:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-04 10:14:34 awt[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa: you still there? |
| 15:16 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-04#1029975 << I had grown up not far from where you are. |
| 15:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-04 14:25:16 PeterL[asciilifeform]: (CMU = Central Mich U, not Carnegie Mellon U) |
| 15:17 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-04#1029983 << It appears that most STEM jobs have turned into computer-jobs. |
| 15:17 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-04 14:34:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: asciilifeform was under the notion that classical analytical chem were dead, killed by 'drop it in the hopper and read the printout' instruments, gc/ms etc |
| 15:18 |
gregorynyssa |
(Which is quite sad.) |
| 15:18 |
PeterL |
You might be from Michigan if "Coast to Coast" means from Port Huron to Muskegon :) |
| 15:19 |
gregorynyssa |
Yep... |
| 15:20 |
PeterL |
gregogynssa: Has there ever been a time when someone asked where you were from and you pointed to a spot on your right palm? |
| 15:20 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-04#1029970 << Thanks for pointing this out. That was my first reaction as well. |
| 15:20 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-04#1030004 << That is a funny Michigan-specific life-hack. |
| 15:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-04 14:11:55 PeterL[asciilifeform]: it is a bit confusing that people start lines addressed to specific people "username: ..." but the bridge starts lines coming from people the same way "username: ..." |
| 15:22 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-04#1029953 << The answer is no. Usernames must be: A-Z a-z 0-9 plus underscore. |
| 15:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-04 15:18:30 PeterL[asciilifeform]: gregogynssa: Has there ever been a time when someone asked where you were from and you pointed to a spot on your right palm? |
| 15:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-04 14:04:31 PeterL[asciilifeform]: I don't remember, is # a valid symbol for pest usernames? |
| 15:30 |
PeterL |
yeah, so the usernames from Discord might need munging of some sort if the BridgeBot is going to post them as hearsay users |
| 15:33 |
PeterL |
might be less confusing to show the discord user in parentheses like "(username) ..." instead of using the colon "username: ..." ? |
| 15:34 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-04#1030012 << I think that would be better than the hearsay-notation. |
| 15:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-04 15:31:47 PeterL[asciilifeform]: might be less confusing to show the discord user in parentheses like "(username) ..." instead of using the colon "username: ..." ? |
| 15:35 |
gregorynyssa |
The formatting mismatch between Discord and Pest usernames is likely too great for the hearsay-notation to be effective. |
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~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~ |
| 16:45 |
discord_bridge |
awtho: Will try parens |
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~ 49 minutes ~ |
| 17:34 |
discord_bridge |
(awtho) With parens. |
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~ 2 hours 4 minutes ~ |
| 19:39 |
crtdaydreams |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-03#1029895 << possibly, I had a read of this summary the other day, what really stood out to me is that was apparently discovered in 1999 by Sukbae Lee and Ji-Hoon Kim and was put on the back burner before t |
| 19:39 |
crtdaydreams |
hey aquired funding from this Young-Wan Kwon fella, who is apparently the guy |
| 19:39 |
crtdaydreams |
who published everything. accordingly the observation is made that the first article that was published had 3 names on it (likely due to nobel prize laurelate limit of 3 people?). It seems plausible to me that Kwon called bullshit after nearly a decade of these guys draining his wallet, and held the view that it would be a |
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| 19:39 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-03 14:49:09 asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-08-03#1029383 << pons & fleischmann |
| 19:39 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-08-03 04:11:47 crtdaydreams[jonsykkel|signpost]: observes no mention of LK-99 supaconductaa |
| 19:39 |
crtdaydreams |
win-win for him if he published their claims now; either he becomes a nobel |
| 19:39 |
crtdaydreams |
prize winner or he stops paying them and destroys their academic careers |
| 19:40 |
crtdaydreams |
correction: they sought funding from him in 2017, so it wasn't nearly a decade |
| 19:44 |
crtdaydreams |
as others have observed, other attempts at "cold-fusion" style fraud regarding superconductors have been made nearly impossible to replicate, requiring tens of thousands of atmospheres in the recipe |
| 19:48 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-08-04#1030022 << That is a clever theory. |
| 19:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-08-04 19:40:10 crtdaydreams[asciilifeform]: who published everything. accordingly the observation is made that the first article that was published had 3 names on it (likely due to nobel prize laurelate limit of 3 people?). It seems plausible to me that Kwon called bullshit after nearly a decade of these guy |