#pest | 2023-06-04

Logged on 2023-06-02 12:48:55 awt: The "read old books" + "ability to enter commands in a linux shell" intersection is small.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-02#1026516 << oxiracetam works well enough on me I decided once was enough, had to have unseen cost. turns out it increases brain cancer risk.

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Logged on 2023-06-02 13:48:03 awt: I will say that some of the nootropics do have a limited effect.

13:33

inhibits cellular self-destruct iirc

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-02#1026555 << imho this is the proper structure of civ, a hierarchy of these.

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Logged on 2023-06-02 15:01:13 phf[4]: i think irl surrogate dad is legit, tried and true method. because it's not just pornography, at the end of the day he can tell you that you're stupid when you are. jocko doesn't talk back

13:36

well... patriarchy, of course.

13:37

oldest oldfags in the tree having the dead as their dads.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-02#1026563 << really recalibrated my sense of how bad things have gotten out there to see all these.

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Logged on 2023-06-02 15:13:05 phf[4]: of course in worse case you answer with "oh i dunno tee hee, i'm just like a guy, you know" which basically means that you're a fag, whether you know it or not

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13:39

"nope, political revolution is entirely hopeless"

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In person, the guy has enough charisma to be a politician - can see why he might take that stance.

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phf

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-06-04#1027051 << everybody remembers xenophone's symposium for its implied defense of pederasty as the highest form of love, but that part of text really just establishes a formal and effective system of knowledge and experience transfer in a society

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dulapbot

Logged on 2023-06-04 13:34:54 signpost[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-02#1026555 << imho this is the proper structure of civ, a hierarchy of these.

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Logged on 2023-06-02 15:01:13 phf[4]: i think irl surrogate dad is legit, tried and true method. because it's not just pornography, at the end of the day he can tell you that you're stupid when you are. jocko doesn't talk back

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phf

put womens in charge of household, put mens in workshops where they can't be nagged, send boys to said workshops so they can learn from men, etc.

~ 16 minutes ~

14:13

next hilarious step in the jocko relationship is LLMs trained to be your own personal jocko.

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14:16

tbh this probably isn't even bad, huge step up compared to the alternative for most people.

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-04#1026638 << link ? ( 1st time hearing re a carcinogenic xyzracetam )

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Logged on 2023-06-04 13:33:46 signpost: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-02#1026516 << oxiracetam works well enough on me I decided once was enough, had to have unseen cost. turns out it increases brain cancer risk.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6853072/ << inhibits apoptosis

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signpost: ty

14:28

signpost: where mentions tumours tho ?

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doesn't, I guess that's my inference that inhibiting cellular self-destruct would increase risk of cancers.

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( signpost's theoretical prediction imho sound -- e.g. vitamin e & other free radical eaters do seem to have the apoptosis tradeoff, but afaik not dramatically )

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asciilifeform pov : interesting q is not 'is $dope carcinogenic' but rather 'is $dope moar carcinogenic than my tapwater/food/etc'

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signpost: that being said -- re 'unseen costs', 'magick powders' (in particular, if eaten regularly) usually come w/ much moar immediate ones than '+x% cancer'

~ 20 minutes ~

14:56

oh sure, chicom chemlabs giving you ??? for your money

~ 3 hours 7 minutes ~

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signpost: not only (tho -- that also)

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!!ticker btc usd

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deedbot

$27,202

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-06-02#1026632 << recall, signpost wrote a compleat bot for this!

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Logged on 2023-06-02 18:50:26 awt: Would be nice to automatically generate and encrypt a key, then post to paste.deedbot.org.

~ 2 hours 33 minutes ~

20:39

asciilifeform: dang. I do not recall.

20:41

Ah yeah - I see looking at deedbot help

20:41

if you're referring to !!key

20:43

Works if you're already on pest.

20:45

Might be able to get it working through a bridge

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Obv. can do from #asciilifefrom

~ 1 hours 26 minutes ~

22:12

Writing this pest client has started to make me realize how limiting being a Rails developer has been. That shit is just pulling levers.

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awt: see e.g.

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( i.e. would suffice to plug deedbot in on whatever heathen net; ask folx to get in wot and issue !!peer handle , they can then peer w/ deedbot on pestnet )

~ 15 minutes ~

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