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00:57 jonsykkel u gota run serpent_init on the 32byte key to expand it
00:57 jonsykkel serpent_init(bufer_of_528_bytes,cipher_key,SERPENT_KEYSIZE)
00:58 jonsykkel then use that for cipher funcs
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01:40 awt_akris jonsykkel: ty. updated. decrypted using both pure python and c serpent and got the same result.
01:53 jonsykkel nice
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10:35 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-17#1028453 << strange; yer at entry does periodically update
10:35 bitbot Logged on 2023-07-17 23:01:03 awt_akris[awt|signpost]: asciilifeform: I manually added you at the IP and port I have you at on my other station but I'm not seeing a response to PROD messages going to your station.
10:35 asciilifeform i.e. packets are going
10:36 asciilifeform last update ~9h ago
10:49 unpx http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-13#1028647 <<< re: no vpatch for docs, in my previous discussions I wanted to bring out this fact, we are still [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-03-30#1025
10:49 unpx 788][dreaming] a minimalistic self-maintained software stack
10:49 dulapbot Logged on 2023-07-13 14:50:16 asciilifeform: not baked proper vpatch yet for this thing, but will
10:49 dulapbot Logged on 2023-06-09 12:43:19 unpx[asciilifeform]: So I guess we are all in a UNIX-like system because it is the most hackable we can have right now without becomeing a system programmer
10:49 dulapbot Logged on 2023-07-06 19:06:02 unpx[asciilifeform]: Or at least guide people so they can write they own tools to do all of that the way they want
10:50 unpx no vpatch for compiled docs*
10:53 unpx [...] we are still dreaming a minimalistic self-maintained software stack.
10:57 dulapbot Logged on 2023-03-30 16:44:45 unpx[asciilifeform]: PeterL, asciilifeform: indeed, but what then? I may have a comfy machine for working and then a machine for specific bank/gov stuff, but then what would you have in that work machine? wget, lynx port, Konqueror, Pale Moon? Or would you reduce documents to TXT and forget HT
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11:41 asciilifeform unpx: 'if wishes were horses' then neither lynx, nor konkeror, etc. but rather sumthing entirely new and bolixlike, with buncha modular, reusable routines rather than standalone 'apps'
11:42 unpx Indeed, the whole "IDE" should be aware
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12:06 unpx Moreover, I'm still looking for such a design solution that manages both documentation and code and tie the two together
12:06 dulapbot Logged on 2023-05-18 16:37:31 unpx[asciilifeform]: But I cannot see tools that care about both, they are more about the phase one rather then the phase two.
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12:41 signpost manages in what sense?
12:48 unpx I cannot find the discussion about connecting pdf documents to vpatches, signpost
12:49 asciilifeform unpx: vpatches are intended to (borrowing the gpl folxs' terminology) concern 'the form of the document preferred for modification'
12:49 asciilifeform so, not pdf, but e.g. its latex src, for instance
12:51 signpost yeah, same goes for codegen like the automake cruft currently preserved on pentacle's dissection table.
12:51 unpx Yeah, but I recall a discussion where a certain vpatch was mapped to a certain documentation version
12:51 signpost generated srcs should in principle not be in there either.
12:52 signpost derived items of w/e kind
12:52 unpx Probably phf drew a graph
12:52 signpost leaving aside for a moment that if you need codegen you're probably already in a bad place.
12:57 unpx >markdown docs
12:59 unpx something something dependency.png
13:05 unpx aye, it was jonsykkel
13:05 dulapbot Logged on 2023-03-25 21:46:41 jonsykkel[asciilifeform]: example http://zzz.st/up/olNWGD1z/example.png
13:06 unpx Will ponder a bit with phf tools too
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13:52 awt_akris Alright now running with jonsykkel's serpent (calling it c_serpent). CPU usage looking good.
13:56 awt_akris Also flushing the toilet is not resulting in poo in the freezer.
13:57 asciilifeform awt_akris: a++
13:58 * asciilifeform still puzzled wai direct peering not worx. given that some packets are getting through
14:02 awt_akris asciilifeform: this is the prod I'm sending you that's not getting a reply: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=nr9x
14:03 asciilifeform awt_akris: indeed not appears in log here
14:04 awt_akris I am behind a nat here, but everyone else is replying so maybe not my nat.
14:04 asciilifeform awt_akris: hmm wai same ip ( asciilifeform's) on both sides of the quoted line ?
14:04 asciilifeform did log notation change from blatta's ?
14:04 signpost lol, think how quickly you can unpack the groceries when you line 'em up JUST SO
14:04 signpost oh god, impaled the cat with a pineapple
14:04 asciilifeform signpost: hm?
14:04 signpost bad joke about reading into a struct
14:05 asciilifeform aa
14:05 signpost slow on the draw
14:05 awt_akris asciilifeform: first IP is the address the prod is being sent to. second IP is the last known address of the intended recipient.
14:05 asciilifeform a! got it
14:08 awt_akris signpost: not sure which struct you're referring to. Desperately want to get the joke.
14:10 awt_akris asciilifeform: double checked the key and seems right. On blatta, it is possible to accidentally add spaces to the key when entering it.
14:11 asciilifeform key defo right (or wouldn't be seeing at updates here, neh)
14:11 awt_akris What address do you have for me?
14:11 signpost awt_akris: it's common to point a struct pointer directly at where you recv'd a packet to chunk into fields
14:12 signpost making a joke about how this goes wrong with field misalignment
14:12 asciilifeform awt_akris: 99.14.101.191:1024
14:12 signpost it was funnier in my head
14:13 awt_akris asciilifeform: yep that's correct.
14:16 awt_akris signpost: speaking of impaling cats, should be a lot easier to integrate ocpy now that I've got a working example going with c_serpent.
14:16 signpost turd's pretty slow still, but it's a starting point
14:16 signpost c one's fast but unfinished
14:17 awt_akris signpost: sorry I was referring to the c version. Can't remember what it's called.
14:17 asciilifeform will also work a++ in asciilifeform's (sadly stalled atm) cpp pestron, come to think of it
14:17 signpost still might be worthwhile to try the thing out with ocpy
14:17 signpost occ
14:17 awt_akris oh lol ok makes sense.
14:18 * signpost did some work on it yesterday evening, probably not too far off
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16:07 * unpx doesn't know if asciilifeform and signpost understood what I did mean here by ``manages both documentation and code'' http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-18#1028928
16:07 dulapbot Logged on 2023-07-18 13:03:29 unpx[asciilifeform]: aye, it was jonsykkel
16:09 awt_akris asciilifeform: which is better? Annoy operators whose clock has drifted back, or use the time the message was received at as the timestamp to order messages by when displaying them? Or something else?
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16:10 unpx http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-18#1028926 <<< w/o proper tools to render it, markdown is not worth `compiling' to html, since you then need a browser
16:10 dulapbot Logged on 2023-07-18 12:55:57 unpx[asciilifeform]: >markdown docs
16:10 awt_akris IIRC ntp is not a desirable dependency.
16:12 awt_akris I'm finding frequent instances of out of sync clocks and it does disrupt log reading during a hot thread.
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16:32 signpost why not order by netchain with a recursive query? (leaving aside indexing or w/e to speed up, might not be needed)
16:32 signpost imho the ordering I care about is the one the speaker intended, resolving ties in w/e sensible way.
16:39 awt_akris signpost: the goal is ultimately to order by netchain - currently blatta's handling of netchain is unspeakably broken, so until we have a reliably contiguous netchain, gotta order by timestamp...
16:39 awt_akris With what I have right now, I could attempt to use netchain as a heuristic when timestamp < netchain tip's timestamp. Even so, the spec disallows such messages - technically akris should be discarding them.
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17:25 signpost makes sense
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17:49 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-18#1028527 << track the deltas (while warning operator) and estimate 'troo' time by weighted pull of peers with historically low drift.
17:49 bitbot Logged on 2023-07-18 16:09:56 awt_akris[awt|signpost]: asciilifeform: which is better? Annoy operators whose clock has drifted back, or use the time the message was received at as the timestamp to order messages by when displaying them? Or something else?
17:50 asciilifeform ( if they're all drifting by a ~constant, the br0ken 1 is.. you )
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17:51 asciilifeform the original conceit, however, was that pestrons only need to be 'city tower bell' accurate (i.e. +/- 15m) to work reliably.
17:51 asciilifeform ( vs. e.g. ntpism )
17:51 asciilifeform conceivably can sync with sundial.
17:51 asciilifeform 'worx 100% with sundial time' was explicit goal of asciilifeform's orig design.
17:52 asciilifeform sundial being the only apolitical clock avail. on planet3.
18:04 * signpost has long wanted to do an optical clock which recalibrates using the night sky
18:06 awt_akris http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-18#1028539 << On this pestnet, this heuristic could turn out to be an "insanity check"
18:06 bitbot Logged on 2023-07-18 17:50:28 asciilifeform[5]: ( if they're all drifting by a ~constant, the br0ken 1 is.. you )
18:08 awt_akris asciilifeform's clock consistently matches my own, fwiw.
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20:04 asciilifeform iirc mine synced from router which syncs from isp which from hitler
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21:40 awt_akris Testing out using recieved_at - "worx" but would not work well during initial sync when received at could be years off from the packet timestamp.
21:43 awt_akris Testing out using recieved_at - "worx" but would not work well during initial sync when received at could be years off from the packet timestamp.
21:56 awt_akris Not a dupe ^ an exception was preventing the message from displaying and I sent it twice.
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22:24 awt_akris nm can just use originator timestamp for getdata responses.
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