#pest | 2022-12-12

DOJ wants to charge the exchange that *didn't* recently crash and take customer funds with it

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billymg is not saying binance should be trusted or anything, just how absurd it is that the DOJ cares more about them than the one that already blew up

13:46

billymg: goxes are built, under sufferance of the reich, to fatten up an' get popped when reich decides is time.

13:46

goxes are to the btc exch rate as ballast is to balloon.

13:47

Lol who popped ftx tho? Not usg.

13:47

asciilifeform: binance under a different reich's jurisdiction, which is why i think they don't like it

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billymg: there's only 1 reich

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awt: popped via 'bank run' neh

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asciilifeform: i count three (US, russia, china)

13:50

ru & cn not claim global jurisdiction, unlike nato reich

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asciilifeform not aware of any cases where someone was extradited from reich to ru or cn, or where a ru or cn biz found itself unable to operate at home on acct of 'violate us payment laws' etc

13:52

is what distinguishes a generic shithole from a reich, in asciilifeform's pov

13:53

asciilifeform: ok, then in that sense i agree. but i believe binance doesn't care about what US imagines its jurisdiction to be, because it's backed by the chicoms, so going to war with binance == going to war with Xi

13:55

xi vassal or not, if binance condemned by nato reich, prolly will go similarly to huawei -- nomoar reichbux wires to/from, executives dumb enuff to fly into / through reich ports kidnapped, etc

13:55

sorta like russia and its partners don't care in the slightest about whatever "price cap" usg sets on russian oil

13:56

rather, but with the diff that errybody eats petro, but otoh shitcoin-pumpers are to be found mostly in reich afaik

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asciilifeform not has 'dog in the race', is of the 'good gox is a dead gox' school of thought fwiw

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asciilifeform: likewise, only pointing out how obvious it is what the doj actually cares about: steal money from plebs (FTX) -- "a ok, great work"; let some plebs trade shitcoins without first providing blood sample and retinal scan (binance) -- "money laundering!"

14:06

likely binance was in front of queue to chopping block for some time nao -- possib. it didn't have a conveyor of 'donation' dough to dnc

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14:54

I suspect Bankman will also be prosecuted.

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awt: possibly, but karpeles-style 'catch&release'

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15:15

I don't know if ftx even qualifies as a gox. Doesn't fit into the waterfal model. They don't have any btc to crash the market with.

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15:36

Unrelatedly I gotta say ChatGPT is proving to be an interesting competitor to google in terms of figuring out how to get lang A to do XYZ.

15:40

http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=nqA6

15:53

meanwhile mats writes in.

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(asciilifeform) 2022-12-12 mats: dunno why binance keeps getting referred to as being inside chinese jurisdiction

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-12#1018197 << near as can tell, all that's req'd to crash market is a reveal of 'we have n < m btc' where m is claimed qty. and n can be 0

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Logged on 2022-12-12 15:15:48 awt: I don't know if ftx even qualifies as a gox. Doesn't fit into the waterfal model. They don't have any btc to crash the market with.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-12-12#1114316 << it's more like, who's the actual sovereign that an individual/company/country resolves to. if he's under canada then that resolves to usg

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(asciilifeform) 2022-12-12 mats: i guess it works if you assume all people with chinamen names are chinese vassals

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from my perspective can only resolve to one of three (usg, russia, china)

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awt: seems like a handy stack overflow replacement

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if mats correct -- neither the co nor its fuhrer in cn

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billymg: the text dun appear to be cribbed verbatim from overflow

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canada is not a sovereign, cz is not a sovereign (no army)

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(possibly -- paraphrased)

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asciilifeform tried the linked chatbot, but went away empty-handed, 'we're at capacity, come back laters'

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asciilifeform: meant it could be used as an SO replacement as in, ask it question instead of SO

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possibly

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billymg: there are gnarly edge cases (e.g. possibly turkey)

16:00

for that matter, venezuela with its micro-army which nonetheless made short work of 'democracy-spreaders' coupla yrs ago

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( or -- iran, similarly )

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perhaps cz has his own way of not getting "stopped at airport" but i always assumed it was because someone up the chain (xi? biden?) could pick up the phone on his behalf

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perhaps he has his own personal network of spies and hitmen, a la mp, and is 'tru sovereign'

16:10

ah hmm, bitdash is not actually up to date with #a

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ftr, link replacement was added to btcbase on account of kako #b-a shenanigans, at some point clean cut made sense, consider that btcbase was superior in many ways to old #b-a

16:12

but link replacement when you have multiple parallel logs running is kind of iffy

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which also reminds me, since this was never brought up, but btcbase.org is ownder my mp, and is going to expire on 2025-04

16:17

so will have to send it off at sea in less than two years

16:18

maybe hannah has access to that account, but i'm not sure if i should bother her with such a trifle

16:20

and in something complete different, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-12-07#1114279 is there enough theoretical machinery in the protocol at this moment for there to be a self heal, when peers switch ips or otherwise go down

16:20

(asciilifeform) 2022-12-07 unpx: I closed pest. I do not have time to look after it every time a peer link breaks.

16:21

i just don't quite remember. i feel like there's some kind of mechanism to ensure that AT gets updated, when peer reconnects and announces itself

16:21

addrcast eh?

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and ftr I still have an active peering with unpx so I don't know why he's being bitchy

16:22

this isn't comcast technical support.

16:23

phf, yeah, it was working at one point when dulapbot and bitbot were perfectly in sync with #a. never quite worked with #pest but haven't yet implemented the exception. at this point should probably disable for #a logs as well, since i've been less diligent about restarting my logger over there

16:23

iirc the last person with whom I added a peering had my updated IP from addrcast faster than he put in the AT command

16:24

not saying there isn't some bug, but theoretically the more peerings someone has the more likely they are to be resilient, I'd think.

16:25

re: hannah doesn't hurt to ask, but at some point we just start farting out "DNS" messages via our pest stations. dunno there's any reason to keep a domain aside nostalgia

16:25

ostensibly problem only arrises when "my pest station went down, i haven't check on it for a few days, meanwhile signpost switched his ip deliberately. there's no way for the two of us to find each other without and addrcast"

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yeah and we have no mutual friends situation

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phf: addrcast & prod, but atm not fully worx ( partly b/c not erryone on latest ver. of blatta (nfi whether all worx in smalpest) ) partly on acct of symmetric NATs and 'hammer' not yet exists in blatta

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phf: theoretically in a pestron 100% to new spec, won't need to manually massage AT after init. peering, oughta self-heal

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(but -- remains to be seen how well 'hammer' worx in practice)

16:36

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-12#1018225 << apropos.

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Logged on 2022-12-12 16:17:12 phf[awt]: so will have to send it off at sea in less than two years

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Logged on 2022-11-29 10:05:40 asciilifeform[jonsykkel|deedbot|awt]: in other oddities: namecheap 'oopsed' 'therealbitcoin.org' dns : jurov had transferred it to asciilifeform's acct in '21 ( along with 'thebitcoin.foundation', which still worx ) but recently 'untransfered' (??!) and nao again seems to point to jurov's long-dead box

16:37

ideally at some pt we'll have this and can 'send off at sea' most of the dns crud.

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(asciilifeform) 2022-04-01 asciilifeform: what's needed is http over pest, where can fetch e.g. http://localhost:1337/asciilifeform/loper-os.org and it'll work for so long as asciilifeform is in yer l_n (for some n)

16:38

signpost, ambassadorial reasons :D

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asciilifeform for 1 is pretty tired of paying the dns racketeers.

16:38

hmm, i need to add multipeering. i've been losing packets from time to time, and then i get stuck in buffer.

16:39

oughtta "lock"

16:40

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-12#1018223 << the wwwtronic logs, asciilifeform expects, will go away once a standard pestron knows how to serve up its log on 8080 or watnot; and knows how to 'reply to msg' using netchain

16:40

Logged on 2022-12-12 16:12:02 phf[awt]: but link replacement when you have multiple parallel logs running is kind of iffy

16:41

the irc emulation thing was a 'training wheels' thing, imho, ought not to stay around

16:41

i suspect logs will stay around. stations go down, bugs surface, vex and mats reading www only, etc.

16:42

they can read a pestron-generated log neh

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asciilifeform will stand one up in place of dulapbot station once such thing avail.

16:42

and iirc phf had sumthing in the way of a prototype www gate

16:43

pestron-powered log will properly refill self if goes up/down etc

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(unlike the current legacy abominations)

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http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-12#1018251 << that's presently unspecced, right? also how does it distinguish between "parent" and "reply"?

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Logged on 2022-12-12 16:40:18 asciilifeform[5]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-12#1018223 << the wwwtronic logs, asciilifeform expects, will go away once a standard pestron knows how to serve up its log on 8080 or watnot; and knows how to 'reply to msg' using netchain

16:44

hmm, packet loss again..

16:44

atm not distinguishes.

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( how to distinguish -- and whether -- is currently open q )

16:46

i was thinking of standing up a111 just so that i can do something like ``13CCB22822884 << hello, world`` and a111 quoting whatever's in 13cc..

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asciilifeform must bbl

16:48

right now all these inline log…/pest/date#<random number> are basically information loss. once corresponding loggers go down no easy way to recover that info

16:49

http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-12#1018248 << same here

actually i'm wrong. can probably do fuzzy match against the *bot responses

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17:34

lobbes

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Logged on 2022-12-12 16:38:16 asciilifeform[4]: for 1 is pretty tired of paying the dns racketeers.

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