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14:00 phf http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-01#1017229 << it used to be a certain type of person who'd google "facebook" to go to "facebook.com". and i've literally seen it, and not just the search bar. person will type google.com, put facebook in the search box, and then click on result.
14:00 bitbot Logged on 2022-12-01 21:37:30 asciilifeform[5]: 'search engine is dead'(tm)
14:01 phf but i feel like these days that's exclusively what i use search engines for
14:01 phf works great for "mysql documentation download", not much else. it's almost become a game as to how fake and gay the result might get
14:08 phf like i'm reading recent locklin, and wanted to see what echelon mounted turrets are, naively searching for "echelon mount" gives you "echelon reflect fitness mirror stand" and "echelon portable bike laptop holder" and similar junk
14:11 phf because some corp shit is squatting a military term, your vector cloud without further restrictions collates to "you must be wanting to buuuuy thangs, we got you fam, how bout them light fixtures!"
14:13 phf it's an equivalent of coming to a library and getting a accosted by one of those mid-2000s pirate cd guys, "yo yo yo got rhiana what you want got all the latest tracks right here"
14:14 * signpost would still love to see someone implement page rank with a bias for log-links.
14:17 * signpost was shopping-adjacent when sat at the aforementioned, so can only agree with phf that it'd be nice to have a search engine that wasn't a chimera with sales.
14:17 phf and the other thing, what's up with KIDS these days? am i right!
14:18 phf my default engine for search bar is set to "marginialia", its results are almost entirely useless, but provide a kind of meditation on the folly of search
14:18 signpost what we really need is a tiktok competitor! but with construction paper branding
14:18 signpost hah, yeah, ddg over here, same practically useless taste you know and crave
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14:18 signpost some speakers are more important than others, can only be solved well with wot
14:19 signpost and that's too much hatespeech for anybody to get right in our democracy
14:20 phf 􏿽i stopped using ddg, when they decided to filter rt as a result of special operation :> i kind of yes-man-ed mp's point about "if you're using a search engine, your entire value system is wrong", "but but ddg is different, it says so on the label". not that i ever clicked on rt fro
14:20 phf 􏿽m search, or even searched anything current thing related, but when they did drop it i realized that i'm an idiot.
14:21 signpost most of my use of the address bar is to pull up a particular bookmark quickly and go from there, yes
14:22 phf marginalia is so bad, that when i search for something, it'll hit some totally random internet 1.0 pages, "huh, a personal website dedicated to night sky photography, don't know how that's related to paredit"
14:23 phf but it's opensores, potentially one could pick it up, and start crowling own set of sites, add own "wot-first" rating system etc.
14:23 phf mañana
14:24 signpost hm neat
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15:26 asciilifeform crawling www is largely exercise in 'uranium from ocean water' imho
15:27 asciilifeform search engines to date afaik universally either a) too small to matter b) go under & forgotten promptly c) devolve to resembling google
15:28 asciilifeform there aint a 'sane way to run a crawling search engine' anymoar than there is a recipe for 'sane reddit'
15:38 awt This is fun to play with: https://chat.openapi.com
15:39 * awt wishes I had more time to put into indexing log search engine I was working on
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16:51 billymg awt: that link causes the browser to warn about an invalid certificate and then after proceeding redirects to https://carrowholly-stables.com/
16:52 billymg which does look like fun, i agree
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18:12 awt lol oops: https://chat.openai.com/chat
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18:12 awt I've been working with openapi recently
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22:19 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-02#1017247 << asciilifeform is half-convinced that 100% of the 'alt' search engines simply scrape from google and repackage the output
22:19 bitbot Logged on 2022-12-02 14:18:33 signpost: hah, yeah, ddg over here, same practically useless taste you know and crave
22:21 asciilifeform unrelatedly, in continuation of this experiment : tried to read events but evidently needs moar massage;
22:21 bitbot Logged on 2022-11-21 21:38:25 phf[awt]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-11-21#1016712 << http://glyf.org/screenshots/raw-x-protocol.png
22:22 asciilifeform the events only fire when proggy is sighup'd.
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22:22 asciilifeform prolly needs some FD settings magick (select()/poll() etc), judging by how libxcb does it
22:25 asciilifeform ( if look at 'xcb_wait_for_event' -- there's a rather gnarly mechanism there, with dedicated threads for read/write )
22:26 asciilifeform ( for ref -- a helloworld similar to the item being sought, under libxcb. )
22:27 * asciilifeform earlier, set bozobit on libxcb proper, as it apparently will not statically link anywhere
22:29 asciilifeform http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-12-02#1017264 << demands a login, meh
22:29 bitbot Logged on 2022-12-02 18:12:02 awt: lol oops: https://chat.openai.com/chat
22:34 asciilifeform and again re: x11 experiment: comparative straces.
22:34 asciilifeform i.e. defo uses poll().
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