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00:00 phf full message was “i should probably add /me… btw that's the case where irc spec full on leaks into pest: messages arrive as _^_A_ACT_ION foo_^_A_” but without the underscore
00:00 * phf test
00:02 phf i don't know why that's the case but simply putting the word action in uppercase into message renders it as /me on both logs. that shouldn't really be the case, since it also needs to be wrapped with ^A...^A
00:09 * phf tries action
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10:00 PeterL << added
10:00 bitbot Logged on 2022-07-17 15:34:55 billymg: PeterL:
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10:37 awt << see line 14 for this logic in blatta
10:37 bitbot Logged on 2022-07-17 23:25:51 phf[awt]: but i suspect blatta doesn't have a mechanism like that, or even if it does the irc nature of the irc compatible version of protocol means that packet traveling faster/shorter path will win, as far as representative packet
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10:53 phf awt: aye, i figured after asciilifeform showed me the relevant part of the spec that blatta in fact does
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11:11 awt phf what does ^A signify?
11:16 phf awt: \001
11:17 phf awt: i don't remember canonical source on this, but if you e.g. search this document for the word action
11:19 phf from document “\001A_CTION barfs on the floor.\001” (without the underscore) is the canonical action format
11:21 phf there's also a section called TAGGED DATA, which introduces this idea that something like action is called tagged data, “To send extended data inside the middle level message, we need some way to delimit it. This is done by starting and ending extended data with a delimiter character, defined as: X-DELIM ::= '\001'”
11:22 phf Extended data is only valid in PRIVMSG and NOTICE commands.
11:23 phf anyway, simply grepping for capitalized action is definitely not the correct behavior
11:24 phf *grepping for uppercase action
11:25 asciilifeform << very good point; tho debateable how much leaks, from pestronic pov msg payload is simply a text, can contain just about anything (per spec must utf8-decode w/out eggogs, but otherwise unconstrained)
11:25 bitbot Logged on 2022-07-18 00:00:03 phf[awt]: full message was “i should probably add /me… btw that's the case where irc spec full on leaks into pest: messages arrive as _^_A_ACT_ION foo_^_A_” but without the underscore
11:25 awt phf: not clear exactly what's going on in blatta, or what weechat is sending in for /me messages. I'll check it out.
11:26 phf awt: weechat is conformant with what i said above
11:26 * awt greps code
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11:51 * awt -- possibly loggers do
11:55 phf awt: word, that's what it looks like. i see valid action data come in, and i saw your last message alright, but it's garbled in both loggers
12:01 signpost << nord stream's off indefinitely.
12:02 signpost hats off to russia; while the "west" has been twisting its nipples about whether there will be a traditional war in europe, russia's been winning the hybrid war.
~ 27 minutes ~
12:29 asciilifeform signpost: link not loads
12:30 phf just more of russian propaganda. ghost of kiev will save germany
12:30 asciilifeform lolk
12:30 asciilifeform hm nao loads, nm
12:36 * awt likes rooting for the underdog - may have to start supporting the GAE
12:42 phf russian 👏🏿 gas 👏🏿 is 👏🏿 basic 👏🏿 human 👏🏿 right
12:46 awt lol my terminal can't handle black hands
12:55 * asciilifeform also not sees hieroglyps in console. pity, prolly lulzy
12:55 asciilifeform *hieroglyphs
13:06 signpost got this image in mind of a screeching woman disappointed that she wasn't important enough to hit.
13:06 signpost "so that's it?! no nukes, no nothing?"
13:06 signpost nope, just leaving you bitch, for better.
13:07 asciilifeform signpost: this in re which ?
13:09 phf i recon his original link
13:12 signpost regarding nato's self-importance, and the rest of the world moving on.
13:12 signpost most likely *as* "the world"
13:22 * signpost picked up Unrestricted Warfare, if anyone's curious how long the Chinese have had the USA's number.
13:23 signpost translation of cn mil docs from 99 on hybrid warfare strategy against US.
13:23 * asciilifeform chronically lulz at notion of 'anglo vs cn wars' given the two decades already where the former surrendered ~all of their industry to the latter
13:23 signpost if anybody recs a russian perspective on same, would gladly read.
13:24 * signpost probably paraphrasing, but recalls mp telling me "you have no idea just how far the US has yet to fall"
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13:55 asciilifeform signpost: considering that current-day ru (as well as good % of east nato reich) still runs mostly on sov-era infrastructure -- indeed slow fall
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20:13 phf <<
20:13 bitbot (asciilifeform) 2022-07-18 asciilifeform: ... identifies as 'home', again, ye olde su, and not usa, where was moved like suitcase, nor any of the bantustans which presently squat on the map where su usedto be
20:14 phf << так ты за спартак или за динамо??
20:14 bitbot (asciilifeform) 2022-07-18 asciilifeform: ... identifies as 'home', again, ye olde su, and not usa, where was moved like suitcase, nor any of the bantustans which presently squat on the map where su usedto be
20:14 asciilifeform lol
20:15 * asciilifeform had to look in www log to get the orcograms, grr, gotta utfize the console 1 of these days
20:16 * asciilifeform for teh greens!11
20:17 phf you can also do (standard-display-cyrillic-translit)
20:17 asciilifeform that'd be an emacsism neh
20:17 * asciilifeform doesn't ircate in emacs presently
20:18 phf oh right
20:18 phf or you can run weechat in emacs's (term) :D
20:18 * asciilifeform prolly the 'odd man out' in re 'live in emacs'
20:19 asciilifeform historically, asciilifeform only emacses when 'nuffin else will do', always 'felt slow' vs e.g. naked xterms
20:19 asciilifeform even on 'threadripper' etc
20:19 phf oh i think it's in the logs that i hate emacs and refuse to use it for anything but slime (and even then begrudgingly)
20:19 asciilifeform aa so then
20:20 asciilifeform proposition 'live in emacs'(tm) sorta feels like 'drive bulldozer errywhere, incl. to buy milk'
20:21 phf i had this massive revelation at some point, that lisp machines weren't actually living in emacs. zwei&co were just apps, to a particular and idiosyncratic tv toolkit, but a toolkit never the less
20:22 asciilifeform imho is a marvel how emacs on (even very fast) x86 still manages to 'feel slow'
20:22 asciilifeform oddly enuff, as described in ^ , zwei on 4mhz bolix dun 'feel slow'
20:23 phf emacs got hit by wreckers, like everything else. i dropped out around the time when they “deprecated cl package!11” in favor of modern™ and modular™ cl-lib. main improvement of cl-lib is that all the cl symbols are mandatory prefixed by cl-
20:24 asciilifeform (well not really 'oddly', zwei didn't include an (inept, bog-slow) emulation of a half-remembered lispm)
20:25 phf there was a brief period even when cl symbols weren't recognized by lazylock, even if you had (require 'cl) or whatever. such underhanded nanny state behavior
20:25 asciilifeform difficult to deny that emacs was 'stolen by wreckers' but also must note, 'felt slow'(tm) even before, imho
20:25 phf that was also around the time that emacs started getting all kinds of modernizations and improvements and such. so never had a chance to “be fast”
20:26 asciilifeform makes sense
20:26 asciilifeform otherwise difficult to picture how proggy that felt 'just a little too slow' on pen1 and equally nao on 'threadripper'
20:26 asciilifeform (other than via bloat)
20:27 phf i think there must've been some kind of emacs sweet spot. i think around the time that i picked it up for slime (was an nvi user before), 2007 or so, it was quite zippy. obv never as fast as nvi..
20:28 asciilifeform likely yes, about then
20:28 phf make emacs great again
20:28 asciilifeform (tm)(r)
20:29 asciilifeform MEGA
20:42 phf i stand with 🇺🇦asciilifeform🇺🇦
20:42 shinohai trololol
20:43 asciilifeform heh
20:43 * asciilifeform sings, 'oi u luzi chervona kalyna...'
20:44 * asciilifeform not has orcogramator working in weechat, but hey, truu ukr oughta latin1 !
20:48 phf oh man i can totally see that happening
20:49 phf budemo tarasa shevchenko na latynytsi chytaty
20:50 asciilifeform iirc already in the worx
20:56 phf latin1 extended, is latin with additional symbols: 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇳🧕
20:57 phf alright i'm done spamming log with emoji barf
20:57 phf i feel dirty now
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22:37 crtdaydreams test
22:51 shinohai 🔥
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23:47 crtdaydreams $ticker
23:47 busybot Error! Requires 2 parameters - Please see `man ticker` for usage
23:47 crtdaydreams $ticker btc usd
23:47 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $22041.17
23:47 * signpost has a feeling in his butt that coins will be cheaper still.
23:48 signpost (but who knows)
23:49 crtdaydreams been watching carefully over past few days for the indicator of where the markets headed
23:51 * crtdaydreams won't lose sleep over another 30% tank
23:53 signpost well, when your studies yield a more reliable predictor than my butt I'll happily split your profits 50/50.
23:56 crtdaydreams stand in oracle? the sphincter(tm)(r)
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