| 00:01 |
awt |
asciilifeform: he addressed that issue with theh proposal for use of cookies |
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~ 1 hours 22 minutes ~ |
| 01:23 |
asciilifeform |
awt: hm |
| 01:24 |
asciilifeform |
awt: would work, i suppose, but rather kludge |
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~ 14 hours 1 minutes ~ |
| 15:25 |
whaack |
awt: happy to update, let us know when |
| 15:26 |
whaack |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-18#1079962 << would like to , but i don't have the iron to do it on |
| 15:27 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: (et all) what should i expect to pay in heathen hosting for 2 Ghz + processor, 4GB RAM, 2 TB SSD? |
| 15:27 |
whaack |
derp, didn't meant o be typing in pestnet but i guess i'll continue here |
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~ 47 minutes ~ |
| 16:14 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: assuming q is re a genuine physical leased box; answr depends heavily on geography. also observe that most vendors give handful of particular setups, you cannot necessarily get x ram, y disk, etc |
| 16:15 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: in usa typical cost of a box as described is 200-300 $ last i knew |
| 16:15 |
asciilifeform |
(monthly) |
| 16:15 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: in eureich, moar. in ex-sovokistan, less |
| 16:22 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: ty |
| 16:22 |
asciilifeform |
np |
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~ 1 hours 53 minutes ~ |
| 18:16 |
whaack |
awt: signpost: Origin of Consciousness book... what a trip, thank you for the recommendation |
| 18:16 |
whaack |
still reading, at the part about the schizos |
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~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~ |
| 19:31 |
signpost |
glad you're enjoying it. |
| 19:31 |
signpost |
imho it and other works point to individual being emerging from the distributed meat computer processing language. |
| 19:33 |
* |
signpost has a blog post concerning this he oughta finally squeeze out, but it's one of those permanently dissatisfying ones, rewritten many times. |
| 19:35 |
signpost |
whaack: has he discussed the "old gods" of say assyria going silent yet? |
| 19:36 |
signpost |
seems to me we're seeing a comparable breakdown post "death" of western god, silence of the atomic-soul-before-monogod. timely that we just had a breakthrough in consensus algorithms. |
| 19:40 |
signpost |
this was what motivated me to take part in the republic, the need for revolution in construction of self, but in hindsight it was a kind of cargo-cultism similar to ever-more-elaborate ritual engaged in by priesthoods to access the gods once they went silent. |
| 19:47 |
signpost |
nietzsche said this breakdown separates us into the "last men" and the "ubermensch". former is a shattered form, infantile and schizophrenic. perhaps jaynes' bicamerals, whatever precedes constructing an integrated self-narrative. |
| 19:48 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: could speculate re 'schizos supply the rare rng input, priests constructively interpret it to empower and fatten selves' etc. but difficult to anchor conclusively to fact |
| 19:49 |
signpost |
latter is a creature who can wield authorial voice. these aren't new, scattered throughout history. |
| 19:49 |
signpost |
I considered mp one when he was well. |
| 19:49 |
signpost |
authorial here means in the deepest sense, authoring the *gods* of other men. |
| 19:50 |
asciilifeform |
it's a talent, like e.g. music, but the 'instrument' is meat |
| 19:50 |
signpost |
yeah, wouldn't disagree really. |
| 19:51 |
asciilifeform |
what kinda music gets played there, depends largely on what, if anything, the 'musician' believes in |
| 19:52 |
asciilifeform |
( if 'nuffin' -- what yer left with is a coupla GB of cock pics, in the end ) |
| 19:52 |
signpost |
deadliest is when the man believes reality submits to him. |
| 19:52 |
signpost |
yep |
| 19:52 |
signpost |
reality submits to nothing. |
| 19:52 |
signpost |
other men, sure. |
| 19:52 |
signpost |
this isn't much before the cosmos. |
| 19:53 |
asciilifeform |
not entirely 'to nothing', electron does not go 'where allah wills' entirely. |
| 19:54 |
signpost |
yeah, if we're supposing there is something "authorial" at the base of reality, submission there too, but not to men. |
| 19:55 |
asciilifeform |
but folx w/ talent for 'moving meat' largely at the end of the day only interested in that, rather than anyffin else, is addictive, a la heroin |
| 19:57 |
* |
signpost considers this in the vicinity of "compulsive masturbator" |
| 19:57 |
asciilifeform |
aha, special case of compulsive masturbator, who uses hands of others instead of own. |
| 20:02 |
signpost |
this "what the musician believes in" is difficult, of course. |
| 20:02 |
signpost |
requires him to shed his clothes, etc., face the other, the classical heroes journey. |
| 20:03 |
signpost |
*hero's |
| 20:04 |
signpost |
apparent in mp's output was "why shouldn't the entire world be destroyed at the moment of my death?" |
| 20:05 |
signpost |
hell, universe, however broad one wants |
| 20:07 |
signpost |
it's not arbitrary to a mind in this kind of destructive rebellion. it *should*. imho that says much. |
| 20:08 |
signpost |
nietzsche called this something like "wanting revenge upon memory" iirc |
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| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
to narcissist, universe starts an' ends with.. him. 'newz at 11' |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
(recall last decree of old man adolph, 'dynamite errything!!!') |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 20:49 |
* |
signpost would expect one of these to say "what does it matter how things are left after I'm dead", yet, appears to matter. |
| 20:49 |
signpost |
belies something imho. |
| 20:50 |
signpost |
if it didn't matter at all, why bother with dynamite. crunch the cyanide and get gone. |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 21:07 |
whaack |
signpost: no, don't think i've gotten to old gods dying yet, but i read late into the night barely being able to keep my eyes poen so it's possible i missed it |
| 21:07 |
* |
whaack will be rereading this book shortly |
| 21:08 |
signpost |
he'll get to discussing the role of old stone totems, etc., in conjuring hallucinatory voices. |
| 21:11 |
whaack |
signpost: pretty sure i have not gotten there |
| 21:13 |
whaack |
so far the most mind blowing part of the book for me was his comments on what consciousness is not, and the idea that consciousness was installed ala software on the brain via language after the brain had been running for a while without conscoiusness installed |
| 21:13 |
whaack |
i have heard that kids who do not learn how to speak a language by age 5-7 or so can never learn to do so later in life |
| 21:15 |
whaack |
i'm curious whether these kids who never learn a language are conscious, and whether the fact that you don't remember years 0-4 are intimately tied with the fact that you are still installing language software during those years |
| 21:20 |
signpost |
certainly wherever we decide to draw the line for consciousness, there are many such developmental boundaries which enable or preclude kinds of thought. |
| 21:22 |
signpost |
say, learning to use the subjunctive, modeling other people's minds/drives/etc, dispassionately introspecting base impulses, so on. |
| 21:23 |
* |
signpost could easily believe that most of the things walking around don't meet the bar for long-dead civilizations, let alone those that recently walked on the moon. |