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03:10 whaack diana_coman: EOD Report: I spent the day looking at cars and purchased one in the end, details to follow in an article. I have no completed work to report, after I returned I went to a local bbq
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19:13 diana_coman whaack: congrats on car acquisition then.
19:13 diana_coman lobbes: you around?
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19:38 whaack diana_coman: thank you
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20:57 diana_coman lmao
20:57 NOTd41r hi guys, quick question
20:57 NOTd41r is the real bitcoin client still compatible with btc chain?
20:58 diana_coman does that question make sense to anyone?
20:58 diana_coman NOTd41r: everyone around here runs trb.
20:58 whaack NOTd41r: yes, bitcoin is compatible with bitcoin
20:59 NOTd41r as far as i understand, segwit transactions are considered "all can spend" by older implementations
20:59 BingoBoingo NOTd41r: They are indeed "anyone can spend" transactions.
20:59 NOTd41r therefore... mmm... what happens if someone using trb tries to spend a segwit utxo?
21:00 NOTd41r fork?
21:01 BingoBoingo No, trb doesn't have the ability bolted on to spend to "Pay to script hash" addresses (the ones that start with 3).
21:02 BingoBoingo But it will take incoming transactions from P2SH addresses fine since it's coming from "pay to anyone"
21:02 NOTd41r no P2SH at all?
21:02 NOTd41r how do you do atomic swaps then?
21:04 BingoBoingo ... I don't understand the confusion of ideas
21:05 BingoBoingo Around these parts... we deal with people dealing with people.
21:06 BingoBoingo If folks want to swap things they can. No need to mechanize it.
21:09 NOTd41r is there any other chain besides bitcoin, where trb implementation is being currently used?
21:09 whaack I played a video game a while back called a Tale In The Desert. Instead of having a trade window like some MMORPGs the only way to 'trade' was to drop your item on the ground and have the other person drop their item on the ground, and then each would pick up the other's item. The person who dropped their item first could be robbed. I liked this feature, it's more interesting. There is no such thing as an 'atomic swap' confirmed tr
21:09 whaack ade window irl.
21:10 diana_coman NOTd41r: nobody really cares about who uses what on pump-and-dump stuff.
21:11 * diana_coman admits the NOTd41r is at least entertaining.
21:11 NOTd41r is that retro-maximalism?
21:11 diana_coman NOTd41r: what does "retro-maximalism"?
21:11 diana_coman NOTd41r: what does "retro-maximalism" mean?
21:12 NOTd41r like "only btc, please, but not the current rules people are using"
21:12 diana_coman NOTd41r: that doesn't make any sense to me.
21:13 diana_coman and it's not a definition at all; see the definition of what a definition is
21:13 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-08 16:38:21 diana_coman: so a definition is a declarative sentence that states the proximate genus and specific difference for a given concept.
21:14 NOTd41r pretty good stuff going on alts right now, the non-p&d 1% is well worth it
21:15 diana_coman NOTd41r: so go there then, good luck.
21:15 diana_coman NOTd41r: note that you again just deflected and failed to learn anything and so you are going the very same way of d41r for all the pretense you are NOTd41r ; it won't be long before you arrive in the same place too.
21:16 NOTd41r ehmm... I'm a minimalist, and I see trb like something minimalistic and therefore good, no matter what chain is put on to run
21:16 diana_coman NOTd41r: seeing everything else as something like what you are is a common but rather debilitating condition really.
21:19 NOTd41r since bch doesn't have full support for all the segwit bs, I suppose that some trb instances must be running
21:20 NOTd41r on it
21:24 diana_coman NOTd41r, kindly tell me something: are you under some impression that this chan here really can't be made off limits to someone?
21:24 dorion NOTd41r altfever seems to be at odds with your claimed minimalism since, afaict, they pretty much all layer on complexity that trb isn't infected with.
21:27 NOTd41r dorion: exactly, that's what I hate about them
21:27 NOTd41r diana_coman: made off limits? could you be more clear, please?
21:28 diana_coman NOTd41r: let me ask a simpler question then: do you imagine that people in here have some sort of obligation to listen to what you say just because you are polite?
21:29 NOTd41r diana_coman: thanks for the compliment
21:30 NOTd41r I don't believe in obligations, if that answers your question
21:30 diana_coman NOTd41r: that avoids my question.
21:31 NOTd41r I don't believe in anyone having obligations in this channel, if that answers your question
21:31 diana_coman who knew it's so hard to even answer a question as stated, huh.
21:32 diana_coman NOTd41r: why/what makes you think then that you can just walk in and keep talking about your suppositions and the like while ignoring/avoiding what doesn't fit with your expectations/requires some change from you?
21:32 NOTd41r maybe you spend too much time with people that say what you wanna hear
21:32 diana_coman lolz, no, quite on the contrary.
21:33 NOTd41r then what's so bothering about a rando asking questions?
21:34 diana_coman NOTd41r: it's a waste of time and space at best; and no, this space here and people's time (because the log is read by people) are not for free for you to come and "ask questions" autistically.
21:36 diana_coman !o uptime
21:36 ossabot diana_coman: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 1m
21:36 diana_coman ugh
21:42 diana_coman BingoBoingo: is that whole shinohai drama a secret or what?
21:46 whaack diana_coman: my irc client got a message 'tomaw [Global Notice] We'll shortly be rerouting a number of servers that will result in most users seeing large numbers of people reconnecting.'
21:47 diana_coman whaack: they can't be accused of not saying it, I see.
21:48 whaack so that disconnect was likely a result above the above and did not have to do with anything on your end.
21:48 whaack of the above*
21:48 diana_coman well, in fairness, we are still on #freenode so I guess we deserve all the shit, clearly.
21:49 diana_coman whaack: yeah, I know; I was just suddenly aware that I might need to resync the log and that's really not a pleasure.
22:01 whaack diana_coman: ah alright. Let me know if you want me to add 'patch ossabot so it logs join/parts' to my TODO list. The logs don't provide the context for your 'lmao' from earlier when NOTd41r joined the channel.
22:04 diana_coman whaack: neah, it's fine to have only the text in the log really.
22:04 whaack k
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22:46 NOTd41r mmm, did i understand correctly? no p2sh support?
22:49 diana_coman it boggles the mind how can one think he's fine to ignore others but they will not ignore him.
23:00 NOTd41r diana_coman: I'm not ignoring anyone.
23:00 NOTd41r also, I think it's ok to use the /ignore command, it's there for a reason, feel free to use it on me if you desire
23:00 diana_coman NOTd41r: do you realise you are coming to my chan and then spew at me nonsense?
23:00 diana_coman and you wonder why you get kicked and banned?
23:00 diana_coman go and wonder.
23:01 diana_coman stating "I'm not ignoring" is not the same as not ignoring; and you are ignoring, have been ignoring and continue to ignore; so get out.
23:01 NOTd41r what am i ignoring?
23:02 diana_coman everything that doesn't fit your expectation; you have plenty of questions you haven't answered - that means you ignored them
23:02 diana_coman will you answer them? before you ask anything else.
23:02 NOTd41r I don't feel like there are questions left behind.
23:02 diana_coman your feelings are not facts.
23:02 NOTd41r unanswered.
23:03 NOTd41r would you mind asking directly first? what is so important that you need to know from me?
23:03 NOTd41r s/first/please/
23:04 diana_coman NOTd41r: for example: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-09#1018010
23:04 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-09 17:45:14 diana_coman: NOTd41r: why/what makes you think then that you can just walk in and keep talking about your suppositions and the like while ignoring/avoiding what doesn't fit with your expectations/requires some change from you?
23:04 NOTd41r I told you: I don't think that's the case.
23:04 NOTd41r I disagree with that view. Happy now?
23:04 NOTd41r Can we just move on now?
23:05 diana_coman NOTd41r: no; this is a learning place and you refuse to learn because you consider your feelings and views matter like that.
23:05 diana_coman they don't .
23:05 NOTd41r I don't consider my feelings and views matter.
23:05 NOTd41r I confess: I know nothing.
23:05 diana_coman this is a resource and you are wasting it; it is my resource too so I'll kick you out and make sure you stay out until you actually want to learn.
23:05 NOTd41r And I'm happy that this is "a place to learn", that's awesome.
23:06 diana_coman NOTd41r: then go back and do the homework you got.
23:06 diana_coman go through the logs and pick all the questions and answer them; start a blog, it makes a great article.
23:07 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-09#1017995 - this is still true.
23:07 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-09 17:28:26 diana_coman: NOTd41r: note that you again just deflected and failed to learn anything and so you are going the very same way of d41r for all the pretense you are NOTd41r ; it won't be long before you arrive in the same place too.
23:07 NOTd41r that's your opinion.
23:07 NOTd41r I do not "deflect", I only state what I think.
23:07 diana_coman NOTd41r: unlike yours, mine has way more behind it and for that reason it matters.
23:08 diana_coman NOTd41r: you have your homework; until and unless you do it, you don't have any right to ask questions and state nonsense in my chan; go and do it in your chan or someone else's, there's no problem (since you think it's just a space like that anyway)
23:09 NOTd41r I tried to join trb channel, but somewhere i read that first i should go to #ossasepia
23:09 NOTd41r is this correct?
23:10 NOTd41r I'm asking questions about trb
23:10 diana_coman NOTd41r: did you read and understood any of the links people offered you so far?
23:10 NOTd41r yes
23:10 diana_coman all of them?
23:10 NOTd41r i guess so
23:11 diana_coman uhm, so what sort of understood is that ...guess?
23:11 BingoBoingo diana_coman: It isn't a secret. I've just not spent time on trying to debug his internal state.
23:12 diana_coman BingoBoingo: for some reason I thought he actually said something explicitly; meanwhile I saw his comment so I guess that's his statement - he can't pass on such an opportunity to consider himself terribly important with no work at all.
23:12 diana_coman NOTd41r: you are here without a key now so that shows ~0 understanding of at least the 2 links on what the wot is and how it works.
23:12 diana_coman to just pick an example.
23:13 NOTd41r diana_coman: i know what the wot is and how it works
23:13 diana_coman you consider that simply coming here is what it means to "go to #ossasepia first" so that shows directly that you either haven't read younghands.club at all or haven't understood anything.
23:14 diana_coman NOTd41r: you don't; because you can't "be here" without being part of it.
23:14 NOTd41r mmmmmkay, maybe I'm doing something wrong? How to join the trb club then?
23:14 diana_coman lolz, are they a club now?
23:14 BingoBoingo NOTd41r: You can't without an identity
23:14 diana_coman NOTd41r: look here, I get it: you want to do only what you want, namely to use trb code as if it were in a vacuum.
23:15 diana_coman it won't work and it doesn't wash and for a ton of reasons that I keep explicitly pointing to you but you still don't want to see because they are not what you want.
23:15 NOTd41r BingoBoingo: you mean being on the wot? I'm in it already.
23:15 NOTd41r diana_coman: you don't know where innovation might lead trb's code. supressing innovation doesn't always goes well
23:16 diana_coman NOTd41r: do you see how you just deflected?
23:16 diana_coman instead of addressing what I said, you jumped sideways on something else that is more convenient.
23:16 NOTd41r diana_coman: maybe i'm just stupid but... no, i didn't see.
23:16 NOTd41r that's like... your opinion, man, you know
23:16 BingoBoingo NOTd41r: Registering a key alone isn't even the minimum. You've gotta establish an identity. Who is your daddy? What does he do? What do you DO?
23:17 NOTd41r My daddy is Pimperoo Pinkolo
23:17 diana_coman NOTd41r: nope, it's not just "an opinion" and "here, I have mine and is just as good as yours" because reasons etc.
23:17 NOTd41r he's a carpenter
23:17 NOTd41r does it matter? this is ridiculous
23:17 NOTd41r "what your daddy does"
23:17 NOTd41r that's silly
23:18 diana_coman NOTd41r: note that as d41r you are in the wot indeed and you have negratings; since you know what the wot is and how those work, you surely know how and why and where that matters.
23:18 diana_coman NOTd41r: as this nick you have no key registered that I can see, so no, you are not in the wot.
23:19 NOTd41r oh, of course, I forgot to tell you, I registered with another nick the other day, but some furious cat lady throw me out of the channel.
23:19 diana_coman NOTd41r: to address your latest nonsense http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-09#1018084 - nobody is supressing innovation; you however are in no position to "innovate" anything and you clearly don't even understand why and how.
23:19 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-09 19:28:24 NOTd41r: diana_coman: you don't know where innovation might lead trb's code. supressing innovation doesn't always goes well
23:20 diana_coman NOTd41r: so you do not understand anything still.
23:20 NOTd41r ad hominem much?
23:20 diana_coman NOTd41r: nope.
23:20 diana_coman but clearly wasting my time with you so I'll ban and ignore you, that's fine.
23:20 NOTd41r yeah, you're invalidating my statement, because I stated it.
23:22 NOTd41r ok, great stuff, that's how you treat people who collaborate with code
23:22 diana_coman "collaborate with code" good god.
23:23 diana_coman and he pretends in the same breath he understands what the wot is and how it works; how can people get this autistic, I don't get it.
23:23 diana_coman for the logs: indeed, if you come bent on "collaborating with code", save your time and mine and go somewhere else.
23:24 diana_coman trinque: any chance of having that voice model for #ossasepia any time soon?
23:24 deflect0r set the example, so everybody learns, that the great dictator won't accept contributions from non-boot lickers
23:25 diana_coman deflect0r: do you get out now or should I kick you again?
23:25 diana_coman I will not accept contributions from randos who don't want to be people, no.
23:25 diana_coman nothing to do with any boots.
23:26 deflect0r now trying to dehumanize me?
23:26 deflect0r why all this hate?
23:26 diana_coman akick #ossasepia ADD *!*@2a03:1b20:9:f011::a02d
23:26 diana_coman I wonder why all this love.
23:27 BingoBoingo Seriously. Can't believe he hasn't read that dehumanizing is one of the more powerful tools in the chest.
23:28 diana_coman I guess that voice model is just a must
23:28 i-will-answer-al iron first lady
23:28 i-will-answer-al fist
23:29 diana_coman i-will-answer-al: so come when you have the link to that article where you indeed answer the questions.
23:29 i-will-answer-al i don't even know what the hell are you talking about,
23:29 i-will-answer-al at this point you're just bullying me
23:37 diana_coman mk; until the voice model is in, ignore will have to do.
23:38 stop-bullying 👏
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23:59 diana_coman we are back to manual voice until we have the civilised automated wot-based voice; if anyone finds themselves without voice in here, pm me please.
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