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04:08 whaack diana_coman: to make sure i understand, you're saying that you can make ~0 inferences on what concepts people have in their heads from the tools that exist presently? or gpg just really doesnt say 'the inventor of this program was clearly thinking about the idea of a wot!'? As for my post, I don't particularly feel inclined to do a research project on previous deployment methods. My point was just to compare V with a V that only ha
04:08 whaack s a genesis patch ability, maybe i should just do that and not try to play guessing games as to what the 'old paradigm' was
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07:32 diana_coman whaack: yes, yes and ...yes!
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10:06 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-29#1008128 - might be, except for the fact that there's already a reason why they "buy" it in the first place really.
10:06 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-29 20:41:20 BingoBoingo: has come to believe the "non-aggression principle" is the doom of that sort of crowd. It means they are doomed to suffer the stupid seeking to burden them.
10:11 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-29#1008062 - those were reading keys, not what you took "keys" to mean here (I didn't want to derail the discussion yest but better noted today).
10:11 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-29 18:02:12 diana_coman: dorion: ahahaha, trilema-articles have lots of keys.
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11:11 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-29#1008092 - here also, investment stands for much more than you took it for.
11:11 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-29 18:23:28 diana_coman: dorion: because he is fully invested in that system, in a nutshell; it would be way too costly for him to "read trilema" in the way you mean it.
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11:37 diana_coman dorion: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=wrzJ
11:42 diana_coman dorion: I've rated you too, you can check it via pm with deedbot; the wot.deedbot.org might take a while to update; publish by Sunday a review + plan on younghands.club
11:44 diana_coman ofc, let me know if there's any weird/problem there.
11:51 diana_coman names
11:53 diana_coman whaack jfw do get in the habit of adding responses given here to the relevant posts on your blogs, for later ref, I'm not going to keep adding those for you.
11:55 diana_coman dorion jfw current tribulations in tmsr might even push your schedule earlier re getting more visible and involved.
11:58 diana_coman dorion whaack please add to your blogs the recent comments and recent posts widgets, they are quite useful.
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12:50 whaack diana_coman: good morning. ack re linking to relevant conversations done re recent comments/posts. looking into why my archives is broken.
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15:07 thimbronion diana_coman: I am still semi-homeless and kid's school is still cancelled. I will update when the situation improves.
15:09 diana_coman thimbronion: what happened there? at any rate: no worries here, there's nothing burning or anything and there was nothing pending/with deadline expected from you.
15:13 thimbronion diana_coman: Power company has decided to cut power for days at a time due to high winds. Has to do with their infrastructure failing causing about 60 people die in a forrest fire last year. I have another place served by a power company that is functional, but working conditions there are less ideal.
15:15 diana_coman thimbronion: sounds rather horrible; anyways, as above: you currently have all the time you need to figure out your next step(s).
15:18 diana_coman BingoBoingo: I wanted to say re your chan name, maybe something shorter would work better? I never could quite follow your ref there either so maybe I'm just ignorant: why agriculturalsupremacy ?
15:21 BingoBoingo diana_coman: It's what I registered back when I was still in old country. The though was there might be space there to do something. Now, with more years, my though is that pursuit of "agricultural supremacy" is a dangerous sort of optimization trap.
15:23 diana_coman BingoBoingo: not like you can't change your mind or can't register another chan though.
15:24 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Right. I am however a person who need heavy, constant self reminders to avoid falling into familiar traps over and over again.
15:26 diana_coman BingoBoingo: I'm rather sure many others could do with similar reminders; esp on such a thing as optimization traps; that being said, it's your chan so entirely your choice, I just had no idea of the actual meaning, hence asked.
15:28 BingoBoingo diana_coman: So my current understanding of this trap is Uruguay's rice production. World leading yields per hectare, and they can actually export rice sorted by cultivar which no one else apparently does. For this supremacy, the local rice sector is constantly shrinking.
15:29 BingoBoingo Because... Everyone else subsidizes rice and the locals here don't.
15:31 diana_coman I see.
15:31 diana_coman uruguarice, lolz.
15:32 diana_coman (conflates in my head quite a few things at once but that might be more indicative of my head's contents atm than of the made-up word itself)
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15:55 BingoBoingo Well, the Uruguayo exceeded the world class standards with repect to rice production in every way, in one of the few sectors the government doesn't fuck up with gibs... And for the rest of the world's bad behavior... Rice is a local "problem dog"
16:01 BingoBoingo I suppose the weed thing could also work with the metaphor. Now that its legal, all the folks who planned to make fortunes "when the day came" have discovered there's no space for them. The growing is already solved, well optimized problem, and... how much money is there in wheat anyways...
16:11 diana_coman that seems to be the usual way this "planned fortunes" go really, regardless of domain.
16:11 diana_coman come to think of the very origin of the word there, it's not even surprising.
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18:59 whaack I have spent a considerable amount of time so now I must humbly ask for help on what I thought should-be-easy. I am trying to get the nonjs html linking working on my blog. But I cannot get the QSA RewriteRule setting working as per MP's post. I have ensured that I do have the RewriteEngine enabled and that I can write in my own custom rules. I wrote the rule "RewriteRule ^wack$ /test.html [QSA,L]" in my .htaccess file and it is co
18:59 whaack rrectly redirecting ztkfg.com/wack to the ztkfg.com/test.html. When I put the rule RewriteRule (.*) /index.php [QSA,L] in my htaccess file I get a 500 error that stems from circular redirection. I think that there is a rewrite rule i need to disable somewhere.
19:00 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008143 - to get into the club only to see so many of who I thought were its pillars dropping and/or flunking out, and the prospects of the republic more uncertain than ever, would be a bittersweet thing.
19:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 09:00:24 diana_coman: dorion jfw current tribulations in tmsr might even push your schedule earlier re getting more visible and involved.
19:00 jfw (at least if I'm now reading trilema in the right key)
19:01 jfw whaack: you don't want to add a new RewriteRule, just modify the existing one that makes permalinks work
19:01 jfw just adding the QSA,
19:03 whaack jfw: ah I see. I had modified my htaccess file quite a bit a while back and had in my head that it was not part of mpwp, didn't know where the line he was referring to that already had the RewriteRule
19:05 jfw the modifying is fine & proper I expect, at the very least you have to modify the mp-wp provided ones to fit your own IPs; so it's wherever that rule ended up
19:08 whaack jfw: ty, I was able to get it working by looking at the htaccess file from the vpatch. I had that entire section snipped out for some reason.
19:11 * jfw now doing my outlining, will see if I grasp the structuring thing
19:11 diana_coman jfw: the prospects are always what people make of them, as always and everywhere; re timing, one can always go "if only" but it's not helping much
19:11 diana_coman re pillars, there is a long history of the bar getting higher
19:11 diana_coman hence the dropping and the flunking (and the more difficult to get in too)
19:12 jfw 'the ratchet'
19:13 diana_coman jfw: precisely that; and that's exactly what you witness now (sadly, I saw this before).
19:20 diana_coman jfw: onth, you are at least unencumbered directly by any of this (or previous similar events), for the little silver lining that there is.
19:34 diana_coman jfw: + relevant for you especially, this particular case is also a very blunt illustration of technical cannot be apolitical.
19:34 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-21 09:43:46 diana_coman: jfw: moreover, what you need to understand and understand *very clearly* is that "technical" is not and can not be apolitical; and as such, you aren't going to be able to push your way anywhere merely on the strength of technical
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20:05 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-29#1008128 << Stefan's case for the nap was/is more radical than most in that he applies it first and foremost to personal relationships and parent-child relationships in particular. on the political side, he does have the goal of reaching the widest audience, which while there are books and webforum, has meant most of his content is audio/video.
20:05 dorion more people can listen than read. he sunk a lot of content into youtube and has tasted the bitter fruits of investing on socialist "platforms".
20:05 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-29 20:41:20 BingoBoingo: has come to believe the "non-aggression principle" is the doom of that sort of crowd. It means they are doomed to suffer the stupid seeking to burden them.
20:06 BingoBoingo dorion: It is bitter fruit of marketing ideas to the illiterate. Reading > Listening
20:07 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008132 << I can't say I've fully unpacked why I bought into it, and I grew substantially from consuming the content. as thimbronion mentioned, actual conversations as opposed to the norm of people talking past one another.
20:07 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 07:10:37 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-29#1008128 - might be, except for the fact that there's already a reason why they "buy" it in the first place really.
20:07 dorion BingoBoingo right.
20:09 dorion A couple points that raised my skepticism were a) "philosopher" who only speaks English and b) talk about freedom, but remain invested in Windows.
20:09 diana_coman dorion: was that "first human conversation" for you too?
20:11 dorion so I decided I need to humble myself and what I imagine I know, learn more languages, read the text in the original, then see where I am, what I believe.
20:12 whaack diana_coman: I am not 100% sure I will finish my V post by this Sunday. The post on proper html linking is going to take time. I understand it needs to show how the new selection mechanism works and also needs to discuss how to prevent my habit of using tools before I understand them.
20:12 dorion diana_coman for the most part, especially at the volume I consumed. an advantage I had, compared to most listener, was my business associate/roomate at the time was also listening along and we were able to practice what we were observing.
20:13 diana_coman at any rate, the specific cracks you notice first are less important than the basic fact that you actually looked and noticed them; which means exactly "not bought into it" from that moment on; hence the above "there's already a reason why they buy it" - at the very least that they don't look but usually there's more.
20:15 diana_coman whaack: the html mess was your own addition to this week's load, eh; if it results in V-post failed again this week, so it will be; good on you for saying it *now* though, yes.
20:26 dorion diana_coman aha. true story : I think the first trilema piece I read was interacting with fiat institutions, which made a big positive impression on me and lead to being lost in the trilema link maze for a good bit until I stumbled upon mp being spaced out where
20:26 dorion he threatens antonopowhatevers.
20:29 dorion showed friend Ashe the articles, "on the one hand, this man is telling the sec to pound sand ; on the other hand, he's telling andreas he'll kill him." ashe, "if he's threatening people I don't have to listen." me, "ah, right, NAP." plus, in my more illiterate phases, I listened to a lot of "let's talk bitcoin." but less than a year later ~I~ couldn't ignore.
20:30 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008187 - ftr, the fact that ~all of you ended up learning/growing substantially from this guy for all his faults is *not* really *your* trouble; it's more likely - and as rather clearly indicated by the "first human conversation" - the trouble of the environment you grew up in.
20:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 17:12:17 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008132 << I can't say I've fully unpacked why I bought into it, and I grew substantially from consuming the content. as thimbronion mentioned, actual conversations as opposed to the norm of people talking past one another.
20:32 dorion diana_coman right, which to his credit, he helped me begin to understand, as that's his focus.
20:32 diana_coman dorion: lol! that part with "if he threatens, I don't *have to* listen" is such a contradiction in itself.
20:33 BingoBoingo FTR, the threat isn't itself an aggression. It's a conditional.
20:34 jfw one offhand comment from Stef that stuck with me was (approx.) "if you lot weren't quite so illiterate you'd realize that almost nothing I do is original"
20:40 diana_coman lol, he had enough of the illiterates he went specifically to preach to, or what? in any case, to get at least more out of that than he intended: nothing anybody ever does is really original anyway, it's an old world really and everything has been recycled already many times already.
20:47 jfw "nothing new in the world except for the history you didn't know", right.
20:47 dorion diana_coman right. BingoBoingo that's what I came to realize. It's something like MP saying, "get off my lawn." by the time the sipa bounty was issued, I interpreted the act more as self-defense from systematic stupidity than anything.
20:50 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008138 << thanks, I've got the cyphertext, not going to be near my key until later this evening. I'll update once I've logged in.
20:50 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 08:42:21 diana_coman: dorion: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=wrzJ
20:51 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008139 << ty! the review + plan will be published by Sunday.
20:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 08:46:44 diana_coman: dorion: I've rated you too, you can check it via pm with deedbot; the wot.deedbot.org might take a while to update; publish by Sunday a review + plan on younghands.club
20:52 jfw diana_coman: would you mind expanding on the and so on? Listing my goals of the time has been helpful but not sure how to further go about adding perspective.
20:52 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-29 18:50:48 diana_coman: jfw: do me a favour and start not with archeology but with your own original goals and troubles and so on; you already know both the story and the ending there, so chart first the structure of how you're going to tell this and only *after that* and *at writing time* search for the needed references
20:57 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008143 << while the tribulations aren't... ideal, they are what they are. as for strengthening my own weak arms, one step at a time and the results will be what they'll be. for sure glad I'm witnessing these tribulations from whatever margin of the field I occupy as opposed to the bleachers.
20:57 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 09:00:24 diana_coman: dorion jfw current tribulations in tmsr might even push your schedule earlier re getting more visible and involved.
21:01 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008144 << updated.
21:01 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 09:02:59 diana_coman: dorion whaack please add to your blogs the recent comments and recent posts widgets, they are quite useful.
21:02 jfw ^ one of the surprisingly easy things to do in the whole blog setup, really!
21:05 jfw (Appearance -> Widgets, for future readers.)
21:09 whaack jfw dorion did you have to do any tweaks to get your archives working?
21:17 jfw whaack did you try adding the widget?
21:18 dorion whaack I added the widget, clicked the boxes and saved.
21:20 whaack yes i have the widget added
21:22 jfw I'd like to have a titles-only index as seen on qntra and bingology, dunno if that needed custom coding or what, just hasn't been a priority yet.
21:22 whaack i'm getting the error "WordPress database error Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in GROUP BY clause and contains nonaggregated column 'ztkfgdb.wpmp_posts.post_date' which is not functionally dependent on columns in GROUP BY clause;", i'll look into it when i get out of the saltmines
21:25 jfw hmm, "ztkfgdb.wpmp_" is your table prefix? possibly the dot makes for syntax errors
21:26 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008213 - goals, troubles, steps taken, interactions, milestones, result.
21:26 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 17:57:14 jfw: diana_coman: would you mind expanding on the and so on? Listing my goals of the time has been helpful but not sure how to further go about adding perspective.
21:29 diana_coman jfw: any text is effectively a path proposed to take the reader from an initial situation to a final situation; so you need to decide at the very least where you start from, what path (ie steps + context) you follow and where you stop; this is quite generally speaking; what specifically got you stumped here though?
21:37 jfw not sure but... I was afraid of just proceeding to list events, archeologically, and missing the point about providing the necessary context or structure
21:40 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008134 << thanks for the noting. by reading keys you mean then what to take from the text ?
21:40 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 07:16:12 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-29#1008062 - those were reading keys, not what you took "keys" to mean here (I didn't want to derail the discussion yest but better noted today).
21:42 diana_coman jfw: it's an outline, list stuff, move it around if you need/want to, figure out the structure that works best for the way you'll tell what happened; the archeology starts literally if you go and dig in the logs (and you'll surely spend more time on it+ get sidetracked etc), not if you as much as think of events or handle them, no.
21:42 diana_coman esp if you didn't do this before, it might take a few iterations but that's fine
21:43 diana_coman if it's any help, the reason why I know this in such detail is simply because I spent about 1.5 years writing >=1500 words per day *every day* until I cured my telegraphic-writing-once-per-year.
21:43 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008136 << ah, yes. thanks for pointing that out; it calls to mind the resistence some have to processing challenging/contrarian arguments, they're not hearing the arugment per se, but what they imagine their relationships would say/react should they present the challenging argument themselves.
21:43 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 08:15:47 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-29#1008092 - here also, investment stands for much more than you took it for.
21:50 diana_coman dorion: not even relationships but self-investment; think of it, for however many years, he grew/built himself up in that specific environment and he paid whatever price that required of him; add to this that he was here with s.dice and then *chose* to leave and that has its own cost too; just for the more obvious parts.
21:53 diana_coman jfw: don't optimise it prematurely, lol.
21:56 jfw thx diana_coman, will give it a shot and iterate.
21:56 dorion diana_coman good points, thank you.
21:56 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008232 - more like how to approach and decipher it (hence: "key"); there's more than meets the eye directly on trilema articles
21:56 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 18:45:17 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008134 << thanks for the noting. by reading keys you mean then what to take from the text ?
21:57 diana_coman dorion: did you ever re-read a book to realise you had missed on first pass a whole level of meaning, entirely?
21:58 dorion diana_coman makes sense and I've come to realize that; mp has more meaning than I'm able to understand much of the time. early impressions can/do make the wrong impact and if not re-evaulated with more context can pin one into a wrong frame of mind.
21:59 dorion diana_coman yes, that has happened for sure. puts further weight on to re-read is to read.
21:59 diana_coman quite; (and he uses usual-triggers quite often too; all of it quite on purpose)
22:00 dorion diana_coman FUCKGOATS , nigga.
22:00 diana_coman dorion: aha; so re-read + that's precisely it, the first time you missed (one of) the key(s)
22:00 diana_coman ahahah, among the more obvious, yes.
22:01 dorion part of the ratchet I suppose, camouflage against idiots.
22:02 diana_coman another way to look at it would be from music theory if that rocks your boat better but I didn't get the impression it would.
22:02 dorion perhaps not camouflage, but warning shots to stay away.
22:02 dorion the opposite of camouflage , doh.
22:03 diana_coman dorion: heh, I was just typing there!
22:04 diana_coman MP is also not exactly one for... camouflaging himself usually, lolz.
22:05 dorion diana_coman there is a classical composer in training in the Junto and our first sessions were on counterpoint, though I'm a beginner in the study, I'd enjoy what you have to say there.
22:06 dorion dorion-mode is a play on the natural minor scale with a raised sixth.
22:08 diana_coman I did wonder for a second there re dorion-mode, heh; now I realise though that I never actually talked in *English* about music theory, drat.
22:09 diana_coman so atm stumped for...translation & differences that I'm even aware of between the schools, ffs.
22:10 dorion diana_coman lol, did you write on the ro side of your blog on it ?
22:11 dorion btw, which languages do you speak ? italian and french as well from your time there ?
22:11 diana_coman dorion: not even that sadly; one of those things "oh, why would I write such a thing, it's obvious and there's no need for it!!" ; to ofc notice later that "if only I HAD WRITTEN IT"
22:13 diana_coman romanian as native; english and french from school + later practice obv; italian as it was relatively easy after ro+french anyway; german at basic-middle level (as usual, can read more than speak); Russian about there basic-middle too.
22:13 diana_coman well, I did manage around CR with "Spanish" I suppose, but ugh
22:14 diana_coman more a matter of "not that far from the rest of latin-based languages"
22:14 dorion diana_coman shucks; when people have asked what my blog is about, I've been going with, "me, what I'm interested in, what I'm learned, etc."
22:15 diana_coman and what, isn't it about that too?
22:15 dorion diana_coman nice, good to know. is the ugh after Spanish cause you prefer it less than the other latin based ? or because less practice before finding yourself there ?
22:15 diana_coman dorion: no, because I spoke it poorly for sure, lol.
22:17 dorion <diana_coman> and what, isn't it about that too? << didn't parse, mind restating?
22:17 diana_coman "practice" was "here's this grammar book" + well, I'm here and these guys have no idea of anything else, so let's see; it was fun ordering a taxi for sure esp with costa rican "addresses" that go along the lines "it's on the street towards X, about 1.5km, past the car washing, 2nd green gate on the left"
22:19 diana_coman but ticos wanted to understand for sure + it does make it easier to know already other languages from the same group ie at least I wasn't usually *that* far from the right word,lol.
22:19 jfw los direcciones son la direccion!
22:19 jfw *las, lol
22:19 dorion hah, they for sure don't have addresses in panama city either. "across from where xyz restaurant used to be"
22:20 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-30#1008272 - this was re your blog description, maybe I didn't parse correctly what you were saying there
22:20 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 19:21:52 dorion: <diana_coman> and what, isn't it about that too? << didn't parse, mind restating?
22:20 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-30 19:19:13 dorion: diana_coman shucks; when people have asked what my blog is about, I've been going with, "me, what I'm interested in, what I'm learned, etc."
22:21 * jfw thinks the confusion is the 'shucks' refers to lack of music theory posts rather than what his blog is about
22:21 dorion I meant my blog is about me, not a particular topic. the shucks was in response to no music theory posts I could read.
22:22 diana_coman there, jfw knows dorion, clearly
22:22 * dorion has enjoyed the conversation and clarifications, but must step away for now.
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