#ossasepia | 2019-10-31

08:25

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-28#1007815 <-- ohey, thanks! re. xml parser, it's stolen off github, but code was small enough for me to read and understand in ~1 week

08:25

ossabot

Logged on 2019-10-28 13:35:21 jfw: spyked: I thought it was pretty cool that feedbot, at least from first glance, is parsing xml in lisp rather than binding to C libs like every other language I've seen does it. And I look forward to more reading time in your tarpit, once I'm a bit more unstuck from my own.

08:27

spyked

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-28#1007819 <-- I also hit this problem, sounds like an apache access control issue. iirc there's a .htaccess in wp-includes/wp-admin that needs some tuning.

08:27

ossabot

Logged on 2019-10-28 13:41:32 jfw: diana_coman: I noticed younghands.club/wp-includes/js/* are returning 403, which slows the page load and probably breaks some kind of admin functionality. I don't mind disabling JS on the whole domain - loads faster, more secure and all - though this would mean some gadgets like the word counter and autosave won't work

08:29

spyked

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-28#1007856 <-- lol, fair point. tbf, that particular secretary was always helpful rather than a hindrance, as opposed to the general image of harpies hired for that job.

08:29

ossabot

Logged on 2019-10-28 19:53:07 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-28#1007805 - spyked, for the life of me, I can't call those secretaries at upg "ladies" lolz; you really are too polite.

08:30

spyked

I also worked with some of the harpies at one point, found out that they're overworked and underpaid, as per general chaotic "organizational" pattern in upb. looking at things from that point of view, it's hard to blame 'em now.

~ 35 minutes ~

09:05

08:25	spyked	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-28#1007815 <-- ohey, thanks! re. xml parser, it's stolen off github, but code was small enough for me to read and understand in ~1 week
08:25	ossabot	Logged on 2019-10-28 13:35:21 jfw: spyked: I thought it was pretty cool that feedbot, at least from first glance, is parsing xml in lisp rather than binding to C libs like every other language I've seen does it. And I look forward to more reading time in your tarpit, once I'm a bit more unstuck from my own.
08:27	spyked	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-28#1007819 <-- I also hit this problem, sounds like an apache access control issue. iirc there's a .htaccess in wp-includes/wp-admin that needs some tuning.
08:27	ossabot	Logged on 2019-10-28 13:41:32 jfw: diana_coman: I noticed younghands.club/wp-includes/js/* are returning 403, which slows the page load and probably breaks some kind of admin functionality. I don't mind disabling JS on the whole domain - loads faster, more secure and all - though this would mean some gadgets like the word counter and autosave won't work
08:29	spyked	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-28#1007856 <-- lol, fair point. tbf, that particular secretary was always helpful rather than a hindrance, as opposed to the general image of harpies hired for that job.
08:29	ossabot	Logged on 2019-10-28 19:53:07 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-28#1007805 - spyked, for the life of me, I can't call those secretaries at upg "ladies" lolz; you really are too polite.
08:30	spyked	I also worked with some of the harpies at one point, found out that they're overworked and underpaid, as per general chaotic "organizational" pattern in upb. looking at things from that point of view, it's hard to blame 'em now.
		~ 35 minutes ~
09:05	diana_coman	spyked: the access on younghands.club is more lax because of multiple authors from wherever etc; + the "rape & pillage good for highschool" lolz.
09:07	diana_coman	spyked: if you publish though your recipe re .htaccess tuning, I'll read and apply if it fits the trouble, ofc.
09:09	diana_coman	re harpies though, no, this "oh, we are overworked and underpaid so we'll steal from students (yes, they did, there was a whole thing with the transport reimbursements) + we'll therefore take it on students because we can" is precisely the sort of bullshit that is the very problem in the first place; if they are overworked and underpaid, they should leave.
09:10	diana_coman	there is absolutely no excuse there.
09:11	diana_coman	spyked: you know, this "oh, but see it from my point of view, how hard I have it" smacks of ~rezistenta prin cultura ; (and so my blood boils already at 9 am, lolz).
09:18	spyked	eh, they've nowhere to leave, they're basically another version of the peasant subsisting on welfare. which means that yes, they'll be overworked and underpaid for years to come now
09:22	spyked	diana_coman, had no idea they stole from students, but I don't find it surprising either. their boss and their boss' boss also steals from some bag or another, so this just perpetuates down the hierarchy. I wouldn't be surprised to hear the cleaning staff steals toilet paper, lol.
09:28	diana_coman	spyked: nope, there is no such thing as "nowhere to leave" either; loads of land that nobody works because "it's not worth it" so what "nowhere to leave".
09:29	diana_coman	and in general, this is what they'll always say, of course, of course, "oh, but there was nothing else I could do, poor me".
09:29	diana_coman	note also that the one helpful exception you mean somehow could not-be a harpie though surely just as "underpaid and overworked", no?
09:31	diana_coman	spyked: re toilet paper, probably they do, yes; but there is no way I'll buy into this passing the buck either up or down; it's again the "oh, it's owned by the state aka by nobody and therefore we can all steal, let's see who is the idiot who still does some work so we can also laugh at him", yes?
09:31	diana_coman	so no, it's irrelevant if their boss steals too or whatever; they are still responsible individually, there is no we, what.
09:32	spyked	re. leaving, yes, their barriers are 100% self-imposed. it's prolly in the job description too.
09:32	spyked	diana_coman, I meant that they most likely learned that habit from their boss. but otherwise sure
09:33	diana_coman	eh, they "learnt" it as in they saw that they can get away with it just fine and therefore did it, what learnt.
09:33	diana_coman	sure, precisely the sort of "dobitoaca dracului" , that much I agree.
09:35	diana_coman	and in unexpected milestones: we have 1st spam (bitcoin advizee for ze millenial inveztorz!!) on younghands.club! congrats and all that, if I get any time today I'll write it up already.
09:36	bvt	spyked: typically they work there for years and see what can be done without getting caught. at some point they start doing stupid shit (subtly sabotaging work) just out of boredom - not like they the work they do ever changes
		~ 21 minutes ~
09:57	spyked	bvt, not sure how it goes elsewhere, but in ro they have this elaborate pretense of "public vacancies", where e.g. two people must compete for the job in order for the vacancy to be filled; in reality however the jobs are created on-demand for people who are brought in by relatives etc. (e.g. one of the admin. directors is the dean's cousin). hence my point above that everyone's in on it.
10:02	spyked	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-31#1008293 <-- yeah, I guess it depends on what policy you wanna enforce. I have a .htaccess in my wp-includes/js/ that looks along the lines of http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Uj-z ; afaik the default setting for mp-wp is to block everything
10:02	ossabot	Logged on 2019-10-31 06:12:12 diana_coman: spyked: if you publish though your recipe re .htaccess tuning, I'll read and apply if it fits the trouble, ofc.
10:02	diana_coman	spyked: certainly; and I'd gladly burn the whole lot of it & them; (now you know just why I didn't want to go and give talks or whatevers there).
10:04	diana_coman	the trouble not being that much that they are brought in, but that they are brought in to steal and pretend, nothing more.
10:05	shinohai	Nothing like waking up in the morning and reading irc logs where diana_coman wants to burn stuff. It's gonna be a great day.
10:05	diana_coman	lolz, what would that do for you shinohai, anyway?
10:06	bvt	imo this is irrelevant detail, in places where there actually is a competition stuff is ~same (even if there is no stealing). one of profs at our university recently moved to another city because he could not fire his own secretary, who was messing to much with the chair
10:07	shinohai	I dunno, I just imagine you as some sort of modern Olga of Kiev, wreaking havoc on enemies with fire and brings smile to my face.
10:07	diana_coman	bvt: ahahaha; but I can imagine it, yes.
10:07	diana_coman	shinohai: lol! I'll add it to the collection then.
10:21	shinohai	It'd make a fantastic addition to Eulora - birds of fire appearing at snap of finger to immolate enemy.
10:21	diana_coman	eh, dream on re snap of fingers.