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03:15 diana_coman shrysr: thanks; and no, one title is enough anyway, lolz; see the comments for a bit more on both how to translate and what does castle license mean
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09:21 whaack_travel greetings from Japan. I am delayed with http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003859 . I have two main problems (1) my laptop battery is about to die. they do not have holes for the 3rd ground plug here, so i have to resolve this issue. (2) I struggled to figure out how to structure my blog post. I came up with 5 main interests and then went into i) history of my involvement with that interest ii) why that
09:21 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-25 13:06:04 whaack: re deadline for post - i say Saturday 28/09/19. I can get it done on the plane ride, so should be done by Friday, and then I'll leave an extra day in case i have some trouble connecting to the net
09:21 whaack_travel is an interest to me iii) my future goals to cultivate the interest. For i) for programming i started to write quite a bit, and so my post turned more into mostly my history of programming (and even with what i wrote it still feels incomplete since i just listed things off without going into much detail for any of them)
09:23 diana_coman whaack_travel: heh, adapters ftw; *every* time you travel -> check what adapters you'll need.
09:23 whaack_travel heh i'll have to search for one here. i'm off to bed, i've been awake for about 28 hours now.
09:23 diana_coman sleep well!
09:23 whaack_travel ty :)
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11:55 shrysr the last time I actually tried being awake all the time was in Leeds i guess. iirc made it ~6 days with only snatches of sleep now and then.. around 15-20 min max at a time, after which i conceded it was.... extra-retarded and there were better things to do. lol.
12:01 diana_coman eh, he's been travelling so quite a different context.
12:09 shrysr yeaaa it is. i've never been able to do any substantial work on a flight except perhaps reading. airport to some extent yes.
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13:29 shrysr http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-26#1003988 << i'm having trouble understanding how this is rare, though I see the part about 'against gods plans with you'. Preusming it is a specific problem of those who cross the intellectual barrier - so is rare referring
13:29 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-26 05:45:53 diana_coman: shrysr thimbronion whaack whaack_travel crucial and therefore mandatory reading: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1938185&iend=1938213
13:29 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-26 05:12:31 mircea_popescu: it's valuable because it is rare, and because it is, quite pointedly, going against god's own plans with you.
13:29 shrysr to the trap of desiring to be 'part of' something or perhaps anything 'not mainstream'?
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14:08 diana_coman shrysr: the bootstrap is rare; feedback that allows you to *notice* which bit/part you are doing is stupid is quite rare indeed.
14:09 diana_coman the world usually let's you get on with whatever stupid you want for as long as you can...bear the consequences; but discerning which specific bit is screwing you over can be quite difficult indeed, when it's your own bit (if you already knew it was stupid, there'd be no need, ofc)
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14:32 shrysr hmm. ok. I guess i was thinking the ones who cross the intellectual barrier have indeed used the bootstrap to do so, but then still fall pray to the persuasion winds and tavern wench chorus by ... not thinking, say beyond a point and presuming that every perceived problem is to be solved... and those who can still bootstrap further or perhaps even continuously and discern the above are rare.
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15:29 diana_coman thimbronion: turns out eudev is known and acceptable.
15:29 snsabot Logged on 2017-12-19 18:23:09 trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
15:30 thimbronion diana_coman: excellent.
15:30 diana_coman shrysr: that's obviously your attempt to match what you're reading to your own personal experience
15:31 diana_coman shrysr: it's a very poor habit on first read, and doubly poor when/if you don't even notice you're doing it.
15:36 diana_coman shrysr: when you read something it should be a lot more the *other* way around - you may look at how you fit the description there (even how you change to fit the description there) and certainly NOT "how to change the description to fit me"
15:38 diana_coman shrysr: re intellectual barrier - it's not just one ie you cross it and you are on the over side; there's an infinity of them as you advance, that's all.
15:39 diana_coman you cross one and you are on the other side of *that one* but that doesn't mean you'll notice the next one before/without banging your head on it, let alone manage to cross it
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16:04 diana_coman hi maxim_mivo
16:04 maxim_mivo Hi
16:04 diana_coman oh hey, you registered your key, nice
16:05 maxim_mivo I'm the legal representative of MivoCloud.
16:05 maxim_mivo If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
16:06 diana_coman maxim_mivo: when you say legal representative do you mean "lawyer"?
16:06 diana_coman or what's your role there?
16:06 maxim_mivo I'm the CEO
16:08 diana_coman hm
16:10 diana_coman maxim_mivo: your irc connection is not a very good advertisement for stability of pipe at mivocloud, lolz.
16:10 maxim_mivo It's the first time for me using an IRC client (i closed the wrong window).
16:11 diana_coman maxim_mivo: I'll rate your key when I get to mine and there will probably be people wanting to talk to you
16:11 diana_coman maxim_mivo: did you figure out the WoT thing?
16:11 maxim_mivo Sorry, didn't have time to dive in
16:13 diana_coman maxim_mivo: ah, take your time, there is no rush; this works at people-pace but you'll want to set up possibly a znc bouncer so you remain connected at all times and check the logs to answer what people asked you
16:14 diana_coman this channel is logged and one of the logs is hosted precisely with mivocloud - the server I have with you
16:14 maxim_mivo Yeah, already found: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log
16:16 diana_coman aha; nobody is at the keyboard at all times but people leave a connection on and when they get to the keyboard they read the log and reply to any pending questions
16:17 diana_coman asciilifeform: maxim_mivo here is from MivoCloud
16:18 asciilifeform oh neato
16:18 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: does your company offer colo ?
16:21 diana_coman maxim_mivo: asciilifeform here is Stanislav who enquired earlier and basically prompted me to write the article and invite you here
16:21 maxim_mivo <asciilifeform>, yes, we do offer colocation
16:22 maxim_mivo <asciilifeform>, based on your name, FYI: we speak russian
16:23 diana_coman maxim_mivo: glad to see you here really, hope you get your head around the WoT and all the rest; I've rated you, though it might take a while for wot.deedbot.org to update
16:24 diana_coman atm I really need to go offline but will talk more on Monday for sure
16:24 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: excellent. do you have a price list on www ?
16:25 maxim_mivo Do you mean a price list for the colocation service ?
16:25 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: for entire menu of services, but yes colo also
16:26 maxim_mivo The actual prices can be found here: https://clients.mivocloud.com/cart.php
16:27 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: thank you, i will read
16:28 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: hmm, doesn't seem to have price for sent-in colo machine ? or is this elsewhere
16:28 maxim_mivo The colocation service is not public yet.
16:28 maxim_mivo Just a minute
16:29 maxim_mivo Colocation prices:
16:29 maxim_mivo 1U (300 Watt included) - 35 EUR/month
16:30 maxim_mivo Each additional 100 Watt: 7 EUR/month
16:30 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: this is very good price. what is the cost of installation ? and of kvm service (if i am installing own os) ?
16:31 maxim_mivo Additional socket for the second PSU: 5 EUR/month
16:31 maxim_mivo No installation fees
16:32 maxim_mivo We don't offer a KVM service since all our servers are equipped with an OOB Managment module (iDRAC, IPMI, iLO, etc.)
16:32 maxim_mivo We recommend our customers to have an OOB module too.
16:32 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: so you have no kvm in the facility at all ?
16:32 maxim_mivo We don't need it. All our current colocation customers have OOB included in their servers.
16:32 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: i physically disable the oob on all of my machines as it is a known security risk.
16:33 maxim_mivo We provide a VPN service for that.
16:33 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: if i am supplying own machine, there is no kvm available to connect to it ?
16:35 maxim_mivo That's strange. It's very hard to find a server these days without an OOB module.
16:35 maxim_mivo What's the server model ?
16:36 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: i just said, i remove the oob from all machines that i build ;
16:36 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: see e.g. http://qntra.net/2019/09/another-open-bmc-bung-virtual-usb-open-to-anywhere/ , http://qntra.net/2019/07/more-server-bmc-woes-today-lenovo-and-gigabyte/ , http://qntra.net/2019/01/another-round-of-bmc-exploits-hit-x86-64-and-ibm-openpower-servers/ , http://qntra.net/2018/10/dell-idrac-bmc-vulnerability-discovered/ re why.
16:37 maxim_mivo We are aware of the risks for open OOB to internet and because of that we provide a VPN service for the customer in order to access his OOB
16:37 maxim_mivo We leave the OOB open to internet only if the cusomter asks that.
16:38 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: the machine i was considering to colo in europe , in fact is a 20 x 20 cm brick, with only network, serial port , and mains socket connections.
16:39 maxim_mivo is it rack form factor ?
16:39 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: it will have rack ears welded to it, if the hoster does not offer shelf
16:40 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: but more importantly, it has only serial port for out of band access .
16:40 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: is your facility able to house such a machine ?
16:41 maxim_mivo No problem. Does it require something like Serial <--> Ethernet converter ?
16:42 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: only temporarily, in order to configure ip etc.
16:42 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: but if you can supply the necessary config in advance, before machine is sent in, then does not need at all
16:45 maxim_mivo We can supply the IP config in advance. Also we can connect your device via serial to a temporary physical server so you can configure it.
16:46 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: very good. i will open an account . my pgp public key is in http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc .
16:47 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: is the postage address for colo machines posted on your www ?
16:49 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: and what is the best way to contact you ? right now we are taking up space in diana_coman's channel. i am usually found in #asciilifeform . when it comes to actually setting up machine, would like to do pgp via email.
16:49 maxim_mivo We are on telegram 24/24: @mivocloud
16:50 maxim_mivo And of course via the ticket system: support@mivocloud.com
16:50 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: email, then.
16:50 maxim_mivo The shipping address is: https://www.mivocloud.com/contact-us
16:50 maxim_mivo The shipping address can be found: https://www.mivocloud.com/contact-us
16:50 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: i will encrypt all messages to the key http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938453 .
16:50 snsabot Logged on 2019-09-27 16:04:46 deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/26F8F009F5A6D8BBEC2EF6FC2B5C010E447C6241.asc
16:52 maxim_mivo Please don't forget the customs clearance when shipping your device.
16:52 maxim_mivo We'll have to pay taxes.
16:52 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: it is difficult to know what they'll charge in advance. i assume if i deposit money in account, you can charge against it ?
16:53 maxim_mivo Yes, of course.
16:54 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: ok, very good. some time in the next few weeks i will prepare a machine and pre-pay for the service, then if it works well, will buy year+ in advance.
16:54 maxim_mivo Deal
16:54 asciilifeform thanks maxim_mivo
16:55 maxim_mivo You're welcome
16:55 maxim_mivo I'll be here for another couple of hours. If you'll have any questions after that, just write to support@mivocloud.com asking for Maxim to join a #chat on freenode.
16:56 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: incidentally i co-run an isp myself, in south america -- http://pizarroisp.net . but i also have boxes in other places, for emergency copies.
16:56 asciilifeform maxim_mivo: diana_coman recommended your company, so i decided to try it.
16:57 * asciilifeform has to go, will be back later.
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