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ThickAsThieves: in fact, I think I got quite vocal on this thread: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3862 - the proposal was to switch to micro-BTC, but the accounting software idea is the same...unfortunately it was NACK'd because everyone thought it had to do with the exchange rate rather than reading the opening post

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

magnitude different, so the argument is sound

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2014-04-26

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ThickAsThieves: there's a shitload of account software that can't handle more than 2 decimal places, and when you have idiot data captures manually capturing BTC transactions because the company is too cheap to pay a developer for an hour's worth of work, bad stuff happens...that same accounting software has no problem differentiating the US Dollar from the Zimbabwean Dollar and the Japanese Yen, despite their integer values being orders of

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2014-04-26

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ThickAsThieves: I'm EXTREMELY opinionated about that, and I fully agree with your conclusions

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2014-04-26

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BingoBoingo: g'day

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2014-04-26

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kakobrekla: nobody reads the chan topic, apparently

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2014-04-26

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mod6: much easier than pushing everyone's RSS feed into a reader

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2014-04-26

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prestonbanks: your time will come, don't forget to register your nick and get in the WoT, cheers!

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2014-04-26

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prestonbanks: benkay has a blog post on the model: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

which is the only requirement

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2014-04-26

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or in assbot's Level 2 trust

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

of cors

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2014-04-26

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kakobrekla: just checked, and you're 100% right - I'd misread an earlier issue with someone trying to ;;bcauth and gribble complaining about them not being registered, I thought they were trying to ;;bcregister

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2014-04-26

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kakobrekla: I like the structure it gives, but that's just me

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2014-04-26

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lawl

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2014-04-26

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kakobrekla: afaik it is, gribble doesn't allow eregister or bcregister without a registered nick

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

I got super excited

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2014-04-26

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ThickAsThieves: no, I made the same mistake

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2014-04-26

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but you can only register in the WoT after registering your nick

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

start here: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

in terms of the WoT

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2014-04-26

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and then when you connect in future /msg nickserv identify password

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2014-04-26

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prestonbanks: /msg nickserv register password email

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

do you know how to register your nick?

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

^^

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

good advice

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

about not investing in MaidSafe?

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

:-P

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2014-04-26

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prestonbanks: it'll only last for another 25 mins anyway

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2014-04-26

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I got excited

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2014-04-26

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pretty much

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

I thought you were he

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2014-04-26

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lawlz

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2014-04-26

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OH - preston BYRNE is the other dude

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

guess bitcoinpete is weekend-ing

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

;;seen bitcoinpete

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

!seen bitcoinpete

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

which article?

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

oic

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

two glasses of wine down, nom

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

sup prestonbanks

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

!up prestonbanks

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2014-04-26

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http://i.imgur.com/2wuBhnU.jpg?1

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2014-04-26

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lol

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2014-04-26

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no clue

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

lol

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

ikr

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2014-04-26

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you guys have seen the Reebok and Nike thing, hey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4c54rCJ_k

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2014-04-26

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I think it's as mircea_popescu suggests - fake traffic with fake referrers

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2014-04-26

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ThickAsThieves: I also checked the source

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2014-04-26

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well gee, Amazon, way to alienate some of your target demo

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2014-04-26

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"Unlike some of those other "currencies" out there, we are backed up by and have access to the customer trust and fortitude of the world's largest online retailer. "

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

bounce: spot on

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2014-04-26

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mircea_popescu: I don't think he knew the difference

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2014-04-26

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lol

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2014-04-26

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sure, everything can be politicised or used to achieve politically motivated ends

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2014-04-26

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as you said - freedom is not absolute, but there are enough extremes on both sides that they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994

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2014-04-26

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HeySteve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws <- I think that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom that it would not be untoward to say that the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom to certain groups

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2014-04-26

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HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day" to commemorate the shifting of governmental power is a tradition all over the world - the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg.

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2014-04-26

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- PW Botha, then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981

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"The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on the Afrikaner. Whether they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.”

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2014-04-26

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oh tomorrow is Freedom Day here (celebrates the abolishment of Apartheid), here's a fun read on what made Apartheid crazy - http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-26-20-bizarre-apartheid-moments

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2014-04-26

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bounce: I'm waiting to see one in the wild ;)

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2014-04-26

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benkay: seemed more fun than saying hi :)

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2014-04-26

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:-P

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benkay: it's like word but with an e

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benkay: werd

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lol

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2014-04-26

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lots of families where the wife is a maid, and the husband does nothing

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2014-04-26

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very true

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2014-04-26

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I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone to want to work hard in the Land of Handouts

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2014-04-26

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but those guys that want to work hard are the minority

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2014-04-26

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but generally speaking it's working ok

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2014-04-26

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bounce: yes, there have been some instances of burn-out where the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot to do anything else

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2014-04-26

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lawl xapo

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and to be fair, I understand why they promised those things - they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and the politicians wanted to correct that

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2014-04-26

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decimation: yes - politicians *PROMISED* them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when they don't get it they complain that the politicians are going back on their promise

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2014-04-26

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and because they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything that takes actual effort?

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2014-04-26

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or they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done

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2014-04-26

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sorry traffic lights, we call them robots

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the problem is that a lot of the poor in urban areas just beg at robots

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2014-04-26

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plus a lot of the supermarket chains are getting into that whole "support the small farmer" thing and buying from those guys

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2014-04-26

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and they give them a ton of education on farm management etc.

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2014-04-26

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and give it to small farmers that have already demonstrated they can farm sustainably, at least for themselves

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then they portion it up

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at more than it's worth (so the farmers don't get screwed)

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2014-04-26

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what they're doing is buying arable land from farmers

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bounce: the government has been pushing HARD in that space

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2014-04-26

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by the time the police arrive it's all over

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2014-04-26

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bounce: yep, but when you've got 20 guys who are poverty-stricken, desperate, and armed...well...

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2014-04-26

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pretty accurate - the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on)

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2014-04-26

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yes - the book is also excellent

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2014-04-26

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assuming they don't fuck it all up in the interim

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2014-04-26

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yeah pretty much, 20-30 years and things will even out a lot

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2014-04-26

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and we're actually starting to see expats slowly move back into the country

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2014-04-26

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so I think the over-correction is normalising

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(mixed black/white/coloured etc.)

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it's gotten better - the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received the same education as whites since the mid 1990s when Model C schools became the norm

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lol

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so government healthcare just gets progressively worse

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and they solve that by handing out education grants and pushing the wrong candidates through a medical degree

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where they go "oh shit we have too few doctors"

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so then you have a brain-drain situation

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I'm talking like doctors and programmers and lawyers and chartered accountants and stuff

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also, because of BEE there were a TON of educated white guys from the late 90s till like 2010 who left South Africa because they couldn't get a job

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it just creates a sense of entitlement among the lazy

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and the thing is, BEE doesn't empower the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone to university and are willing and able to work hard

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black fat cats sitting at the top of the food chain through no effort or hard work or brilliance

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which is what it's done

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decimation: nothing - which is why they've been heavily criticised over the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid"

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which leads to the company imploding, obviously

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and wants to "manage" and get more money

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but fast forward a few years and the gardener realises he has a controlling interest

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gardener gets a nice salary

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and gave him 51% of the company to sign some documents

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he took his gardener on as a business partner

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government threatened to drop his contracts because he wasn't BEE compliant

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for instance, in the late 90s the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and tiling business

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so companies hired and promoted black management who were NOT equipped to managed, who were NOT educated

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affirmative action

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Black Economic Empowerment

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was to enforce BEE rules

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because the government's "solution" post-1994 to the white management class

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2014-04-26

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mircea_popescu: it goes further though

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like you get taught reading, writing, a bit of geography and history, and enough maths to add stuff up

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2014-04-26

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the root of the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back to the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6

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2014-04-26

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they seem reasonably content

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2014-04-26

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you deal with the same people, haggle over price, talk about the best way to cook the fish

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mircea_popescu: you become friends with them

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2014-04-26

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well they fish a lot less than the corporates, for sure, but in the many times I went to the harbour to buy fish I never had any of them complain to me about restrictions or limits

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2014-04-26

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sorry internet died

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2014-04-26

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there are a number of fishing communities like that

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and you can go to the harbour in the morning where their wives sell the fish the husbands caught

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2014-04-26

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they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little tug boats

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tbh there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape Town

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thankfully they don't have a phenomenally big following, mostly disgruntled ex-ANC Youth League guys

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2014-04-26

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mircea_popescu: all of their claims are gross exaggerations or outrightly false, but that's politics for you

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2014-04-26

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I only know that from watching Heroes

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and also a place in Texas

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http://imgur.com/a/KDwtE

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was so messy

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I remember making a TNG Enterprise paper model

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:-P

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2014-04-26

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that's not bad, $28 - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Alice-papermodel-WWII-German-U-Boat-model-U-BOOT-XXI-submarine-model-ship-model-military/343765571.html

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lol

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moiety: as long as you don't shit bricks it's fine

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moiety: that's what makes it so perfect :)

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but without chewing

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it's like a loaf of bread

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over hear when I'm too lazy to eat I pour myself a beer

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2014-04-26

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I like NotLambChop

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CheckDavid: ah ok sorry, thought that's what you were alluding to

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2014-04-26

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you can !up yourself if you're in assbot's L2 trust

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CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

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2014-04-26

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or 4 of 5 if you're worried someone might die

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2014-04-26

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Apocalyptic: if it's being distributed among 5 people then make it a 5 of 5 wallet

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2014-04-26

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HeySteve: multi-sig is the solution to that problem

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2014-04-26

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lol - will.je.suis

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2014-04-26

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you missed a 2000 Learns to make animated GIFs for his Geocities homepage

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mircea_popescu: will do, just making a couple of other dimensions

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http://spagni.net/images/bf-scam-250x250.png

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mircea_popescu: cool tks

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but delicious

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I ate one before it cooled, so it was crumbly

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moiety: she made choc chip cookies

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moiety of the cookie factory!

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fluffypony

works as well

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http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-468x60.png

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works

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http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728x90.png

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blog.spagni.net

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fluffypony

she's alive!

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ok

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

CannaBit 2.0

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

drukz+bitcoinz all in one investment "vehicle"

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smart

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

so is the 468x60

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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728×90.png is brokened

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kakobrekla: lol

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that?

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

HeySteve: "6 or 7 terahashes" - so like two ASICs?

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2014-04-26

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kakobrekla: pffft, financials, who needs them!

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2014-04-26

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peterl: from BTC-China

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

yeah

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fluffypony

I have enough to cover it

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2014-04-26

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thestringpuller: Credits: 49985.

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

what are your thoughts on altcoins, mircea_popescu?

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2014-04-26

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more of a branding thing than anything else, with the advantage that they can be re-sold more easily than store credit

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

ya know, maybe altcoins will eventually be like those in-store reward credits you get

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

that's why

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mircea_popescu: "[13:45:19] <+pankkake> I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today"

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yes

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

I can see Justin Timberlake doing that

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

clearly I'm the South African gubmint plant

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fluffypony

to manipulatez the cryptoz

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and you're their plant

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apparently

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"Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint"

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

"Danny = British gubmint. Ukyo = US gubmint. Mark = French gubmint."

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2014-04-26

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lol - so apparently now everyone's a government plant - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.980

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lol

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exactly

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and he goes "I'm going to accept Litecoin because it confirms faster, I don't want to keep customers waiting for Bitcoin confirmations"

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

physical store

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2014-04-26

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people are also stupid - I've had an argument with a friend in Cape Town who was considering accepting crypto at his store

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

ok so

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2014-04-26

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pankkake: well what if a government outlaws Bitcoin but doesn't mention other cryptocurrencies? or they suddenly start locking people up because they can identify them, and then stuff like this Bytecoin thing with its ring signatures suddenly become appealing to people?

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2014-04-26

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LOL

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

lol

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2014-04-26

fluffypony

what is the mises circle? investor group?