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I was going to say that with Zooko's triangle it was believed that a naming system couldn't be simultaneously human-meaningful, decentralised, and secure (you had to pick 2)

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

it's fine - you just jumped the gun a little, lol

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

I was going to elaborate on it earlier

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

thickasthieves: I referred to it in the context of software

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

yes

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

stuff that is the exception to the rule only came about 10 years later

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

thickasthieves: remember, this was "invented" by Zooko in 2001

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

!up thickasthieves

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

chetty: "The quality of meaningfulness and memorability to the users of the naming system."

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

chetty: in this context it's clearly defined, though

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

thickasthieves: yes

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

but most don't

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

thickasthieves: there are things that can arguably hit all 3 corners

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

yarp

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

but they are centrally controlled

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

domain names, otoh, are human-meaningful and secure (provably yours, unique)

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

unless you like memorising long base58 strings

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

but they are not human-meaningful

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

they are secure, and they are decentralized (no central authority)

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

thickasthieves: apply it to Bitcoin addresses

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

nope

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

badminton

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

thickasthieves: what's flawed with it?

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

but I think you often encounter Zooko's Triangle

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

yes you can for some things

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

otherwise I'd drive a Land Rover Defender

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

to be fair, I to prefer form over function

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

as long as you get your kerning right you're home free

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

can we stop using the stiffy disk icon to save files!

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

pankkake: you're so nice

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

which was bizarre

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

she got super aggressive and insulting about it too

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

yep

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

so that makes rushwallet an insane security risk

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

they don't have HSTS on

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

not only that, but if you're on the same wifi as a user you can just poison their arp cache so you can mitm, sslstrip, and voila

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

*etc.

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

where they got nailed for old nginx + broken SSL et.

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

yeah - I saw that too

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

nope

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

aaah ok

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

xmj: awesome

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

Vexual: not my upload, unfortunately

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

x-post from -otc - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAwihDHS_A

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

*clicks*

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

decimation: no?

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

decimation: they were fighting an incredibly oppressive regime, I don't think you can hold them any more accountable than those that continued to push Apartheid policies

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

you don't correct the problem with handouts

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

mircea_popescu: yes - that's what Malema pushed for, and it's one of the things that eventually got him booted from the ANC, because even they believe it's a stupid idea

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

here, this is where Malema is generally considered to have crossed the line - http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2011/06/16/apartheid-taught-whites-to-be-racist-malema

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

mircea_popescu: like there's no problem in saying that a lot of wealth in South Africa still lies in the hands of whites by virtue of being born into privilege and so on, this is a known thing and it is spoken about and there are policies that are trying to correct this by providing an easier route to good education for the less fortunate and so on

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

now he's started his own political party and is clamouring for nationalisation of the mining industry

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

mircea_popescu: there are some, Julius Malema was the head of the ANC Youth League and often erred on the side of being overly aggressive against whites, but he was also overly aggressive against the ANC and got his ass booted

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

eg. your grandfather had no education and so lived in poverty, thus your father had no education and lived in poverty, and now you finally have an opportunity to get a reasonable education and can pull yourself out of poverty, but there are decades that must elapse before it's more "balanced"

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

decimation: I think the old guard within the ANC might have, but the younger guys are starting to care less and less about race, and just want to fix the lingering effects of decades of oppresion

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

it's like contravene and latex

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

they're all like "every week I saw someone murdered right outside my house, until finally I packed up my family and we moved to safe America"

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: South African expats are literally the worst, they're a running joke on the /r/southafrica sub-reddit

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

and that isn't something you can breeze past politically

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

they have "struggle credentials" still going for them (as in they fought Apartheid)

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

not for many years

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

decimation: you won't

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: expats or still living here?

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

so to remove him all you have to do is have a change of hands within the party

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

which is relatively easy - the ANC is the dominant political party, the president of the country is the elected leader of said party

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

when Mbeki was providing staid, but ineffectual, leadership there were hands that moved him out the way

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

60% of the trade in the whole of Africa is done in Gauteng

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

Congo, Ukraine, and Rhodesia aren't quite comparable

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

decimation: Zim's bigger problem was its inability to oust Bob quickly

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: yes, most assuredly, from all socioeconomic aspects

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

decimation: nope - too many overseas companies with skin in the game, they won't let a despot ruin their income ;)

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: worse? far from it.

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: safe by most standards - just like any city in the world, there are areas you'd generally avoid unless you were familiar with it

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

by old-school I mean that a lot of the older ones especially struggle to shed the ingrained views that Apartheid taught them

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

mircea_popescu: nah, Afrikaaners aren't like that at all, more like generally overweight, beer and whisky loving, meat-bbq'ing biltong eating men and women

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: Pretoria is quite safe, certainly much safer for an adventurous tourist than Johannesburg where tourists are best kept to touristy areas

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

then you drive down the streets with these beautiful purple blossoms everywhere

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

and ugly, except when the Jacaranda trees come into bloom

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

it's incredibly, incredibly boring

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

yeah, the building ownership thing was a fuckup

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

we used to go up there when I was a kid

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

Ponte Tower

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

Johannesburg

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

although given its political prominance they're been shuttered off to the suburbs

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

Pretoria is the vanguard of old-school white Afrikaans-hood

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

decimation: the Rhodesians are mostly in Johannesburg

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

will take you about 4 weeks to do that route, and it's incredible

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

Cape Town -> Garden Route -> Durban and surrounds -> Sun City -> Kruger Park

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

nobody goes to PTA unless you have to

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

yeah PTA is shitty

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

*part

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: which prat?

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

touché

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

hah hah

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

:-P

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

I don't mean paramilitary safe, but safe for ordinary people

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

but is Israel safe?

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

your name is poo brown to me

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

you can't - it's whatever IRC client you're using colouring it

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2014-08-07

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fluffypony makes joke

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

:-P

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

mircea_popescu: *off

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: yes

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

let us know how it goes

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

ok have fun

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

seriously - there are people that specialise in this that could probably do it faster than anyone here, and even we can ascertain what the threat model is

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

mircea_popescu is a cracker now?

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

there's that too

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: if you put 10 BTC in a wallet and posted about it on Reddit and some netsec mailing lists and gave it 90 days that would be a concrete test

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

which is beyond unlikely

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

you're assuming that he is impervious to stupidity or error

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

not really

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: it doesn't matter who made it

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

asciilifeform: now you understand why those "trust seals" are so popular on websites :-P

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

Electrum isn't cold storage, it's a hot wallet to use every day

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

problem solved.

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

there

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: https://electrum.org

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: again - for ordinary users you simply need something that is completely under your control, and for your purposes Electrum is fine. It is small and lightweight, it doesn't download the full blockchain (about 20mb in downloads is all it needs thus far), and it has a 12 word mnemonic you write down to backup your wallet. It's literally all I need.

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: it's not us you should be worried about.

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

mircea_popescu: we already told her why

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

not

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

well I guess the title of the site is a giveaway

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

lol

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

not some third party

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

middle ground is anything where you are entirely, solely, and completely responsible for the safety of your funds

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

a web wallet is not that middle ground

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

there's a middle ground between paranoid and convenient

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: those people are crazy

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

peterl: nope

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

and it's safe by my standards

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

I'm a nerd, I use Electrum

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

nah

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: it's not even reasonably safe, given the track record of web wallets

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

well there you go

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

;;8ball will RebeccaBitcoin's coins get stolen?

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

within what time frame

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

definitely not

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

no

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

as in: "omg, Ben's so random, lol"

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

by some definition of "random"

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

ben_vulpes: I guess it's using the normal random available to JS and sprucing it up

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

RebeccaBitcoin: is your aim to have a Bitcoin wallet so you can send and receive Bitcoin, or is your aim to write a scathing review?

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

as ben_vulpes points out there are other issues

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

from an entropy perspective it's a perfectly viable aspect

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2014-08-07

fluffypony

I don't think the mouse movey thing is any worse than the the way /dev/urandom collects entropy from mouse movements / keyboard entry

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

oh well at least DC's upcoming film schedule has been leaked: http://iwatchstuff.com/2014/08/batman-v-superman-moved-up-more-than-a-m.php

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2014-08-06

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fluffypony [23:45:53] OgNasty: I don't need to discuss anything with that porn peddling pathetic excuse for a man. ;)

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2014-08-06

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fluffypony [23:45:50] dignork: OgNasty: even bitcointalk people trash nasty mining, you wanted to hear something different here?

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2014-08-06

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[23:44:35] +fluffypony: so why would you respond to him here?

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

[23:44:52] OgNasty: I left a WOT rating and someone on here started crying.

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2014-08-06

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[23:44:43] OgNasty: fluffypony, I don't decide anything. I don't run NastyFans.

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2014-08-06

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[23:44:46] +fluffypony: to quip Apple - "there's a channel for that!"

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2014-08-06

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[23:44:29] +fluffypony: mircea isn't in this channel

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2014-08-06

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[23:44:19] OgNasty: I simply hopped on to respond to mircea's nonsense on here and then start getting attacked before I even log off... LOL... You monkey's are mistaking my dick for a tree.

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

roar.

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

he's an angry bear

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

but ben_vulpes and mircea_popescu, you guys missed the funnest conversation in -otc with OgNasty now

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

mostly because it's grammatically incorrect

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

I don't use the word "funnest" often

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

you know

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

TEST SUCCEEDED

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

plus fucking one

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

"My expectation: Just like any dot-com era VC funding scam. They have created impossible expectations in the mindes of the money people who will end up controlling them. They will run in different directions at once, chasing blue sky, have a series of management changes, blow a lot of money on tiki bars and conference splashes. The layoffs will start about the same time as the death march starts. Goals will be scaled down ad hoc to things

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

which are achievable but useless, do not match or integrate the vision. Finally the last new management will be chop-shop, and pieces will get sold off to the highest bidder."

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

I fully agree with what aminorex says about Ethereum:

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

it's got infinite supply

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2014-08-06

fluffypony

that's a no brainer