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00:00 coderwill it says that the majority of brown's sentence is from threatening an fbi agent in a youtube video
00:00 coderwill http://time.com/3680594/barrett-brown-sentencing/
00:00 assbot Barrett Brown Defiant After Sentencing Over Stratfor Hacking ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKI6nS )
00:02 hanbot ah, the time piece covers it better, yeah.
00:02 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOW7GOrXNZI
00:02 assbot Why I'm Going to Destroy FBI Agent Robert Smith Part Three: Revenge of the Lithe - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKIlzi )
00:03 asciilifeform does not follow that, had he not done this deed, would be a free man.
00:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24587 @ 0.00052508 = 12.9101 BTC [+] {2}
00:06 asciilifeform there is a ru idiom, 'Дело шито белыми нитками' - 'the [criminal] case is sewn with white thread.'
00:06 asciilifeform it comes from the old-fashioned binding that was used in ussr for court documents - ordinary thread and cardboard cover
00:07 asciilifeform when seals were stamped onto the pages in the binder, the thread - originally white - would turn blue, black, red, depending on the colour of the seal on that page
00:08 asciilifeform but if the pages were moved around at a later date, from the state monkeying with the record, the thread would have to be cut and replaced
00:08 asciilifeform and would end up white in places where one would expect to see a colour.
00:08 asciilifeform hence idiom is used to describe criminal cases such as, well, this one.
00:09 hanbot ha, i like it
00:10 mats http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-in-seven-australians-living-in-poverty-according-to-new-report-20141011-114o1b.html
00:10 assbot One in seven Australians living in poverty, according to new report ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9LYUa )
00:11 mats interesting definition of poverty
00:13 hanbot anyway, ludicrous as the entire thing is, the usnews version irked me with subrug sweeping. there are ways to handle agents, and there are ways to set them on the vendetta path.
00:14 hanbot and btw mats re that tinder thing: i remember several years ago reading about some similar jazz (a special watch iirc) in japan for people too timid to meet others on their own
00:14 hanbot tinder seems about there.
00:15 asciilifeform hanbot: 'lovegetty'
00:15 asciilifeform it was, iirc, more of a pocket watch
00:15 hanbot o hey, exactly
00:16 asciilifeform many, i imagine, disappointed buyers.
00:16 asciilifeform machine - cannot increase operator's smv.
00:18 hanbot i mean...i guess if you're very shy, uninterested in changing that, and also interested in fucking other shy people adverse to change, it'd be great, but...really?
00:23 punkman http://www.cuddlrapp.com/
00:23 assbot Cuddlr ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Nmpz )
00:30 asciilifeform https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.5-armel-cross/+bug/662887
00:30 assbot Bug #662887 “internal compiler error during U-Boot compilation” : Bugs : gcc-4.5-armel-cross package : Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Oc5L )
00:30 asciilifeform 'status: New → Won't Fix'
00:30 asciilifeform shitgnomery.
00:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13792 @ 0.00050713 = 6.9943 BTC [-]
00:36 mats hanbot: you are an american expat yes? and you understand the peculiarities of american dating culture?
00:37 mats dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together
00:39 mats anyway such apps are where the college chicks go, so i follow
00:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00050386 = 1.9147 BTC [-]
00:53 * trinque scratches his head at the btcd+btcctl combo apparently not being able to look up an address's balance without the wallet bits
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00:53 trinque btw I am also undata, likely will use this handle from now on
00:53 trinque punkman: did you just keep a local count of deedbot's balance?
00:53 punkman I used electrum
00:54 trinque ah so you had a wallet handy
00:54 trinque http://tbtc.blockr.io/address/info/mpz3LvxS4bucReULkfKYfDCGLGBVChZVow << sending some tests
00:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRRqv )
00:55 punkman iirc conformal had a lib for accessing the db, no?
00:56 punkman https://github.com/btcsuite/btcdb
00:56 assbot btcsuite/btcdb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRXhQ )
00:56 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/2d066532878b9879567f4670d6bedabe/tumblr_n562y35wFb1rzzxego1_1280.jpg << for nubbins` war effort.
00:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9QPVd )
00:58 mircea_popescu !gettrust undata
00:58 assbot undata is not registered in WoT.
00:58 mircea_popescu !gettrust trinque
00:58 assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user trinque: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/trinque | http://w.b-a.link/user/trinque
00:58 mircea_popescu makes sense.
01:04 trinque #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no?
01:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: missing: the ants.
01:13 danielpbarron http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christian-mom-gives-leggings-god "When I walk into a place and there are women wearing yoga pants everywhere, it's hard to not look. I don't, but it's not easy," Partridge's husband allegedly said.
01:13 assbot Christian Mom Gives Up Leggings For God ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqT2pY )
01:14 trinque mircea_popescu: when the hash of the bundle is not a valid key would you prefer to wait for more deeds, or some other behavior?
01:14 trinque punkman suggests re-hasing
01:17 punkman as per asciilifeform's suggestion ^
01:24 mircea_popescu yes rehash
01:27 trinque k
01:27 Adlai trinque, mircea_popescu, have you had a look yet at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411974.0 ? (at worst, this would just save some money)
01:27 assbot Promechard: Proprietary Metablock Chains for Arbitrary Data ... ( http://bit.ly/1zeOEfP )
01:27 trinque punkman brings up another good point about the ambiguous ordering of two bundles which end up in the same block
01:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.0005022 = 16.9493 BTC [-] {3}
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02:34 mircea_popescu Adlai im no sure what this is supposed to be ?
02:34 Adlai how to do deeds efficiently
02:34 mircea_popescu mno.
02:34 mircea_popescu it's not how to do deeds efficiently, it's how to include people you don't know. i am not interested.
02:35 Adlai that's not what it is, maybe you should read the actual paper?
02:35 mircea_popescu papers of unknown authors chance of being read is ~0%.
02:35 mircea_popescu especially if said authors are alive.
02:35 mircea_popescu let them get in the wot.
02:39 Adlai here's a shorter explanation of the technique: https://mathgate.info/promechard.php
02:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xX7wKq )
02:40 mircea_popescu somehow we're not communicating. at issue is the proposition that ideas are worth anything, and somehow people can ride on the value of their ideas.
02:41 mircea_popescu this is false. people can only ride on the value of their reputaiton, and "ideas" are not only worthless, but outright meaningless.
02:41 mircea_popescu i simply don't care what some derps not in the wot think they have to say.
02:42 Adlai who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.
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02:42 mircea_popescu i am not.
02:42 mircea_popescu i am never talking about any idea.
02:42 mircea_popescu unless it starts with "here's what X said", im ignoring it.
02:43 mircea_popescu unsigned code doesn't exist. "ideas" never happened. etc.
02:44 mircea_popescu i guess i should add "culture" to the list of things bitcoin is disrupting.
02:44 * Adlai says, deedbot can spend half as much coin and create zero as much pollution; if there's interest, he can review and sign the code doing it
02:44 mircea_popescu brb
02:45 mircea_popescu Adlai how much it spends is arbitrarily small anyway, and set to a certain sum more to encourage the diggers than anything tho ?
02:45 Adlai the promechard technique can still have any fee you like, and it'd go directly to the miners, rather than into an unspendable output
02:46 mircea_popescu the output is spendable.
02:46 Adlai hash(clearsigned gpg message) is spendable?
02:47 mircea_popescu it keeps hashing until it makes a valid pubkey yes
02:47 Adlai to which it has the privkey?
02:47 mircea_popescu that's the whole idea, anyone can spend the sum on the basis of the notarized documents.
02:49 Adlai hm. why?
02:50 mircea_popescu doubles as a faucet, basically.
02:51 Adlai so it's spendable (by the earliest bird!), but it's still a tiny amount. this is like leaving a beggar individual pennies, more insulting than anything else
02:51 mircea_popescu !up blah
02:51 mircea_popescu i dun follow.
02:51 Adlai lol alright, if that's the intent, it makes sense
02:52 fluffypony this guy was basically mircea_popescu - http://i.imgur.com/7lILO4H.jpg
02:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yUhsbK )
02:52 mircea_popescu lol
02:53 mircea_popescu fluffypony i just spent today listening to "i did it my way" and thinking frankie was basically me.
02:53 mircea_popescu oddly enough, mailer looks like sinatra!
02:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.001089 = 1.089 BTC [-]
03:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55764 @ 0.00049925 = 27.8402 BTC [-] {2}
03:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00102 = 1.02 BTC [-] {3}
03:22 fluffypony http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tme2e/i_will_be_going_to_africa_this_summer_to/
03:22 assbot I will be going to Africa this summer to introduce bitcoin to airline services, hotel services and much much more! I will also be hosting a blog soon so I can update on the progress made! Hey who knows I might start an african bitcoin foundation while I am there : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/15zN22s )
03:22 fluffypony fucking retard.
03:26 Adlai maybe he'll reach some of the 419 scammers, that would give free marketing, like cryptolocker et al
03:35 punkman http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-GP571_0126ma_P_20150125204027.jpg
03:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18iUNMh )
03:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00050386 = 1.1085 BTC [+]
03:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00109009 = 2.2892 BTC [+] {7}
03:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3750 @ 0.00114917 = 4.3094 BTC [+] {13}
04:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4155 @ 0.00049875 = 2.0723 BTC [-]
04:06 punkman ;;ticker
04:06 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 302.62, Best ask: 304.41, Bid-ask spread: 1.79000, Last trade: 302.62, 24 hour volume: 48938.56740845, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 309.9, 24 hour vwap: 266.093376488
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04:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.10598299 = 1.6957 BTC [+] {4}
04:30 fluffypony http://np.reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/2to7nl/poverty_inc_argues_that_wall_street_and_the/co12mef?context=3
04:30 assbot gloomdoom comments on Poverty Inc. argues that Wall Street and the banking industry’s portrayal of "business as usual" is undermining our democracy, shattering the lives of working class families and the poor, while endangering the very environmental balance of the planet. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMMwfa )
04:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00049179 = 20.2126 BTC [-] {2}
04:42 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992434 <<< yes please
04:42 assbot Logged on 26-01-2015 03:06:29; thestringpuller: gabriel_laddel: A copy of SimCity 2000 built in.
04:43 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992501 <<< yes please
04:43 assbot Logged on 26-01-2015 04:02:39; mircea_popescu: someone should make a gavin retardobot
04:43 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992657 <<< you merely need the unspent outs
04:43 assbot Logged on 26-01-2015 05:53:10; *: trinque scratches his head at the btcd+btcctl combo apparently not being able to look up an address's balance without the wallet bits
04:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1344 @ 0.00107998 = 1.4515 BTC [-]
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05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18534 @ 0.00049772 = 9.2247 BTC [+]
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05:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00101048 = 1.0105 BTC [-] {5}
05:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00048965 = 8.0058 BTC [-] {2}
05:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00049677 = 24.9875 BTC [+] {2}
06:03 mircea_popescu Adlai : http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ updated nao
06:03 assbot Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIl3uS )
06:08 mircea_popescu http://edgeandback.ro/how-luke-evans-came-in-romania-and-the-romanian-press-wasnt-invited/ << lulzy butthurt.
06:08 assbot How Luke Evans came in Romania and the Romanian press wasn't invited | Edge and Back ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIlky3 )
06:10 Adlai if it wasn't clear, by http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992700 means "act as though the first wot member who suggests an idea invented it"
06:10 assbot Logged on 26-01-2015 07:42:06; Adlai: who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.
06:11 mircea_popescu prolly the way it'll work.
06:11 Adlai i wasn't bringing this up as "look at coinbase, they're doing something!", but as "maybe i can help your thing do its stuff better" (setting aside the bit about deedbot doubling as a faucet, which works fine in the current method)
06:12 mircea_popescu yeh, i got that.
06:13 Adlai either way, i really oughtta spend my time chasing floats instead of ec points
06:13 mircea_popescu what's ec points ?
06:14 Adlai elliptic curve points
06:14 Adlai ie, working on scalpl rather than studying crypto curiosities
06:15 mircea_popescu ah. well honestly, on the face of it, that sounded backwards.
06:15 Adlai how so?
06:15 mircea_popescu like... srsly, floats rather than elliptic curve points ?!
06:16 mircea_popescu "i should spend my time finding grass rather than fish".
06:16 Adlai yeah it doesn't make much sense because it's a stupid pursuit, i'm hunting out floating point arithmetic now that scalpl needs to quack a little less like a prototype
06:17 mircea_popescu anyway. scalpl made a killing on the rise ? or got kinda murdered ?
06:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42563 @ 0.00050252 = 21.3888 BTC [+] {2}
06:17 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/6915e105aacb853a3d129ca49d59a7de/tumblr_n5gtpcUuwc1tbxihoo1_1280.jpg
06:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIlKEA )
06:18 Adlai it never makes killings or gets kinda murdered, it just creeps along. sometimes it bleeds a little from the ears when the volume gets too loud.
06:19 * Adlai is listening to: Metallica - The Call Of Ktulu (8:54)
06:20 Adlai re IV - art is neither dead nor dying, but tastes change, and the financial incentives about them... maybe if it becomes less profitable overall, there'll be less crap commercialized art such as pop music or koons balloons
06:26 mircea_popescu there's nothing to do with "tastes"
06:26 mircea_popescu art is purely prescriptive.
06:29 Adlai the eradication of a disease doesn't signal the end of medicine, just a change of "tastes". same for art's prescriptions
06:31 Adlai the nice thing about firing clients is that you get to work for yourself!
06:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2627 @ 0.0010089 = 2.6504 BTC [-] {12}
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08:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00050221 = 19.3853 BTC [-] {2}
08:43 jurov \ele
08:46 mircea_popescu http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/01/23/obama-administration-intervened-argentine-probe-iranian-leader-jewish-center-bombing/
08:46 assbot Obama administration intervened in Argentine probe of Iranian leader, Jewish center bombing - World Tribune | World Tribune ... ( http://bit.ly/1C6yBRT )
08:46 mircea_popescu theplot that keeps on thickening.
08:55 Adlai so in the pre-bitcoin economy, entrepeneurs sought financiers. what do you call a well-capitalized wot presence that lends its credibility to a bitcoin venture?
08:57 mircea_popescu i would guess a financier, what's wrong with that ?
08:58 Adlai nothing, just wondering what you'd call them in this economy
08:58 * Adlai seeks a wot financier. inquiries welcome in private or public, whichever is preferred.
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08:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00050386 = 4.6859 BTC [+]
08:58 Adlai rise, chicken! you may lay another egg yet.
08:59 mircea_popescu lol
08:59 mircea_popescu later!
09:00 Adlai o/
09:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00051082 = 10.7272 BTC [+] {4}
09:04 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg
09:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1C6DBpu )
09:12 Adlai (my idea has exactly nothing to do with elliptic curves)
09:12 mike_c sekrit idea?
09:13 Adlai !s inquiries from:adlai
09:13 assbot 0 results for 'inquiries from:adlai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=inquiries+from%3Aadlai
09:13 Adlai blah. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992794 << mike_c
09:13 assbot Logged on 26-01-2015 13:58:31; *: Adlai seeks a wot financier. inquiries welcome in private or public, whichever is preferred.
09:13 punkman Adlai: for scalpl?
09:13 mike_c yes, i saw that. so what's the idea?
09:14 Adlai a scalpl-managed fund, where investors could add or withdraw bitcoin in a manner similar to how X.EUR handles settlements
09:16 Adlai there are a bunch of variables in this arrangement, such as - who has what control of which accounts
09:16 punkman as in kraken accounts?
09:18 Adlai any exchange where the fund would trade. scalpl currently supports btce, bitfinex, and kraken, but the api is modular and more can be added (not my focus atm, but ~3 days of work per exchange if necessary)
09:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.0005019 = 12.4471 BTC [-]
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09:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00050301 = 8.1236 BTC [+] {3}
09:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26735 @ 0.00051221 = 13.6939 BTC [+] {2}
09:41 davout Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee?
09:41 thestringpuller lol bond holder and profit sharer tightly coupled
09:42 Adlai that's one constellation, but not the one i'd prefer
09:44 davout what's the arrangement you'd prefer?
09:45 Adlai i'd rather the accounts belong to the financier(s). they lend reputation - people trust them not to run off more than they'd trust me, and they lend their credibility to account statements. my role would be setting up scalpl, possibly maintenance, analysis, development - but on a case by case basis, as seen fit by the financier(s) and/or shareholders
09:46 Adlai the most i'd ever have control of is api keys with trade permission, but not withdrawal permission; and it could easily be arranged that i never touch api keys myself, just deliver code or service an app taken offline, with api keys expunged from its server.
09:47 davout ok, that i get
09:47 Adlai also, for my own psychological reasons at this phase in my life, i'd rather get a carpenter's salary than equity in the furniture shop
09:48 Adlai although this is flexible, and it could make sense to establish a minimum stake for alignment of interests
09:49 davout unless i'm mistaken equity would be irrelevant if you structure that as a bond, amirite
09:49 davout that too
09:52 Adlai by structure as a bond, you mean - anybody deposits the amount they want, and has p/l tracked (and dividends paid) for that amount?
09:54 Adlai i'm not certain how you'd handle that technically, because you want deposits to reach exchange accounts, in various proportions; do you have bond-buyers deposit directly into the exchange accounts, and the financier submits to the exchange signed statements of bond deposits to issue shares?
09:55 Adlai i guess you don't even need shares if it's bonded in this manner, it can just be a bond directly between the exchange owner and depositors
09:55 Adlai you don't even need the exchange!
09:56 davout to me there's two distinct things
09:56 davout the exchange where scalpl does its thing
09:56 davout the exchange where the bond is traded
09:56 davout say there is an account on paymium with 100 BTC in it which i deposited
09:56 Adlai right. you need an exchange to scalp, but you don't *need* to trade the bonds
09:56 Adlai ok
09:57 davout i issue 100 bonds with a 1 BTC face value
09:57 danielpbarron Adlai> also, for my own psychological reasons at this phase in my life, i'd rather get a carpenter's salary << probably not the best metaphor
09:57 davout one week later, scalpl made 7% profit
09:57 davout we now have 107 BTC in the exchange account
09:58 davout the bonds should now trade for 1.07 BTC
09:59 Adlai should, assuming that the market has access to that information; this would depend on how transparently the fund is operated. weekly statements? daily? per-trade?
09:59 davout if you take a bond out of circulation you refund it as (amount in exchange acct)/100
09:59 davout ideally upon request
10:00 Adlai most fun is just publishing readonly api keys to the accounts in the listing
10:00 davout not saying this is in any way the correct way to structure that thing, simply thinking out loud
10:00 davout yup, readonly keys, win
10:00 davout wire that to a b-a bot
10:01 davout the problem i see is that each (financier, exchange) pair represents basically a different bond
10:01 davout you'd take your fee in the form of free bonds
10:02 Adlai is that a problem, or just an artefact of market segmentation?
10:02 davout i see it as a problem in the sense that they're not really fungible
10:02 Adlai D.XYZW are distinct, despite being cut from the same stuff
10:03 Adlai so you can have distinct S.CALP.PAYM etc
10:03 davout yes, not a problem if the bonds clearly state that
10:03 Adlai danielpbarron: 'i choose my words carefully, and i never repeat myself' ?
10:04 Adlai sure, each bond can be a separate contract between a financier and the exchange
10:04 jurov why not just offer scalpl as service for some fee?
10:04 danielpbarron Adlai, just some topical humor; don't mind me :p
10:04 Adlai :)
10:05 Adlai jurov: overhead
10:05 Adlai in a sense, it's currently offered as a service for some fee - my time in dealing with your (not personally anybody in this channel) bullshit
10:05 jurov overhead compared to what? structuring/trading bonds?
10:07 Adlai overhead compared to having a collaborator handle financing (of both forms), leaving me to focus on scalpl itself
10:08 jurov mkay
10:12 Adlai in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies
10:14 Adlai another reason to work with a financier is that it opens up the door for exchange presence in the wot
10:14 Adlai let's say davout handles this for paymium, and it brings them increasing business. smart exchanges may follow suit.
10:15 Adlai it's most idiomatic for the reputation at risk to be that of the exchange owner
10:15 * Adlai pokes STRML
10:18 mats https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150123/07461729791/former-head-gchq-warns-ethically-worse-kinds-spying-if-unbreakable-encryption-is-allowed.shtml "HUMINT is sooo expensive..."
10:18 assbot Former Head of GCHQ Warns Of 'Ethically Worse' Kinds Of Spying If Unbreakable Encryption Is Allowed | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/15L3ldL )
10:19 Adlai um, forcing ethically worse spying is the point. cf HGW XX/7
10:21 * Adlai refers the yet-uncultured to http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lives_of_others/
10:21 assbot The Lives of Others - Rotten Tomatoes ... ( http://bit.ly/15CjlhA )
10:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44944 @ 0.00050579 = 22.7322 BTC [-] {2}
10:23 Apocalyptic Adlai, good film that one
10:25 Adlai also, i'm not yet a Serenissima Accreddited™ Investor, and that kind of coin isn't exactly burning holes in my wallet; so if this is to happen before the next major fiat devaluation...
10:28 Adlai Apocalyptic: see what i mean about ethical spying? cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919932
10:28 assbot Logged on 13-11-2014 16:38:23; asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls
10:29 Adlai cf http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/are-we-ready-for-companies-that-run-themselves/ and are we ready for scamferences that fund themselves?
10:29 assbot Are we ready for companies that run themselves? – David Morris – Aeon ... ( http://bit.ly/15L5S7P )
10:31 Apocalyptic I don't know there is such a thing as "ethical spying", the whole formula must be a joke
10:32 BingoBoingo Re: Toy node discussion - Selling point for such a thing may be "privacy proxy" for Lite wallets.
10:34 Adlai which is exactly why spying shouldn't be automated. maybe there's a situation where a person feels justified listening in on a conversation without explicit permission, but that call shouldn't be made in advance by a bureaucrat for every single conversation unto eternity
10:36 Adlai BingoBoingo: sure, put spv servers of your choice on physically separate machines with reasonable rpc access to the node
10:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051106 = 10.2212 BTC [+] {3}
10:37 thestringpuller http://www.comcastro.com/2015/01/4-stevie-frederick-bitcoin-101-wtf-is-btc/
10:37 thestringpuller http://www.comcastro.com/2015/01/5-stevie-frederick-bitcoin-202-new-world-order/
10:37 thestringpuller ^- listen to me talk nonsense about bitcoin
10:37 thestringpuller lol
10:37 Adlai no need to put more turds onto the existing pile... and if you do, how do you pick which one? electrum-server, obelisk, etc?
10:38 BingoBoingo Adlai: Well, SPV as the powerrangers say it now tends to mean the Bloom filter derp. If enough space is budgeted for the nodes though "address history" type arrangement like electrum server could work if electrum server did not rival bitcoind itself as a hog.
10:38 thestringpuller ls
10:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19601 @ 0.0005054 = 9.9063 BTC [-]
10:39 Adlai it shouldn't *need* anything beyond the current full node. if some fancier spv node wants bloom filters, put 0.9.bloom on its box and have it just listen to the safe node
10:39 Adlai simple means simple damnit!
10:43 BingoBoingo Yes, shouldn't indeed means shouldn't. https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server is the address history beast I was thinking of. Note that can become rapidly unfeasible on Gavincoin as does not take kindly to any pruning.
10:43 assbot spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/15L8eDz )
10:44 BingoBoingo That thing builds its own indexed database of a size comparable to the block chain.
10:46 * Adlai has started to think of pruning in a different manner - rather than reclaiming hard disk space, 'pruning' just means you can provably flush certain transactions from various caches. it's a time/space optimization, not a change of the glob's outward behavior
10:46 BingoBoingo http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-01-2015#992788 << Wait, so Christina may have been set up by Obola?
10:46 assbot Logged on 26-01-2015 13:46:38; mircea_popescu: http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/01/23/obama-administration-intervened-argentine-probe-iranian-leader-jewish-center-bombing/
10:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3749 @ 0.0005054 = 1.8947 BTC [-]
10:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8801 @ 0.00049533 = 4.3594 BTC [-]
10:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1308 @ 0.00100476 = 1.3142 BTC [-] {9}
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11:14 Adlai another possible initial step for a cautious financier: pilot MPIF profit center
11:28 Adlai another possible incentive: first financier consults gratis through march 1st
11:31 Adlai now that's enough selling for one month
11:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2839 @ 0.00110533 = 3.138 BTC [+] {7}
11:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1178 @ 0.00117389 = 1.3828 BTC [+] {4}
11:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1050 @ 0.00117581 = 1.2346 BTC [+] {4}
11:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3496 @ 0.00117799 = 4.1183 BTC [+] {4}
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1373 @ 0.00117893 = 1.6187 BTC [+] {2}
11:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29219 @ 0.00050677 = 14.8073 BTC [+] {2}
12:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00049959 = 6.3948 BTC [-]
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12:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00051613 = 6.4 BTC [+] {2}
12:25 jurov Adlai you want scalpl to become one of mpif profit centers?
12:26 Adlai 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager
12:34 BingoBoingo !up bitspill
12:35 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/csm-profiles-homero-j-garza-serial-entrepreneur/
12:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00051866 = 19.9165 BTC [+] {3}
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13:31 BingoBoingo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8S5Kg7IAAABEFX.jpg
13:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ziRP6s )
13:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00052046 = 5.9332 BTC [+]
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13:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00052258 = 10.6606 BTC [+] {2}
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14:36 coderwill hello all
14:38 jurov hi coderwill
14:38 coderwill how are you, jurov?
14:39 jurov it's okay. today i was marrying hdd and ssd in btrfs raid
14:39 jurov dunno why i do such crazy stuff. but works so far
14:39 coderwill cool
14:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.007 = 2.1 BTC [+]
14:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0005014 = 1.7549 BTC [-]
14:48 thestringpuller tis quiet
14:48 thestringpuller too quiet
14:51 Bet placed: 1.46308271 BTC for Yes on "BTC back over $300 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1110/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 71(Y):29(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.15636312 BTC. Current weight: 76,473.
15:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1441 @ 0.00110723 = 1.5955 BTC [+] {7}
15:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00052566 = 4.3104 BTC [+]
15:18 BingoBoingo Things reddit dun like https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tr5dy/this_is_the_true_thought_leader_of_bitcoin/
15:18 assbot This is the true thought leader of Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJrOLr )
15:21 BingoBoingo Facebook, for the still Poorer http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/01/26/facebook_android_users_in_developing_countries_can_now_use_facebook_lite.html
15:21 assbot Facebook: Android users in developing countries can now use "Facebook Lite" as a simplified version of the social media networking app. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJsfVV )
15:25 jurov their bloat is unusable on 2y old android
15:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lol thanks.
15:25 jurov so they had to
15:26 mircea_popescu "Bitcoin's thought-leader hangs out with people who pay underage girls for sex?" wut exactly is this ? i don't hang out with reddit...
15:27 davout i already love this reddit thread
15:27 mircea_popescu davout: Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee? << this sounds to me more like a classical fund
15:28 mircea_popescu scalpl's irrelevant in this discussion, people don't care about it, people just care "i'm investing with adlai and he keeps the thing going"
15:28 mircea_popescu much like panacea used to work, at least back when f.mpif had an investment.
15:28 jurov https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2tp2d7/ok_so_what_is_bitcoin_disrupting/ << same, not so lulzy tho
15:28 assbot Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJt1SM )
15:28 mircea_popescu anyway, how much capital are you looking for ?
15:29 mircea_popescu "I'm certain he has no actual experience with that topic, unless you count webcam sessions with the working ladies over at girls gone bitcoin."
15:29 mircea_popescu dude, srsly ?
15:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1312 @ 0.00110745 = 1.453 BTC [-] {4}
15:29 mircea_popescu somebody drop the classic http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ on r/buttcoin, see how they talk it away ?
15:29 assbot NSFW - Mosu' cu joarda pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJtdS9 )
15:31 mircea_popescu !up sensorii
15:33 mircea_popescu anyway, it's kinda fun to wake up at 7pm to a bowlful of internet impotent rage.
15:34 * mircea_popescu pours some milk, adds some cornflakes, eats it up, spits it out...
15:34 mircea_popescu ...aaaaand dooooesss it hiiiiiiissss waaaaayyyy
15:42 davout poor winklevii, they got cock-blocked so hard by the coinbase guys
15:42 mircea_popescu lol saw that ?
15:45 mircea_popescu !up phillipsjk
15:46 davout forever alone winklevii
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10734 @ 0.00049972 = 5.364 BTC [-] {2}
15:46 mircea_popescu lol kinda, yeah.
15:47 mircea_popescu they're suffering from fat rich kid syndrome.
15:48 davout what's the fat rich kid syndrome?
15:52 trinque their only real claim to fame being "we sued hoodie CEO"
15:52 trinque the guy who almost had a heart attack talking to Walt Mossberg
15:55 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: has no experience in fucking, although he keeps a harem.
16:00 hanbot mats> dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together << it has everything to do with shyness tho, so long as what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of walking up to someone and asking if they'd like to drink/dance/fuck/whatever
16:01 davout hanbot: i agree, the rectangles have merely made shy people more visible where shyness doesn't actually matter
16:01 hanbot as though being turned down to your face is something to be avoided at all absurdities
16:01 hanbot davout mhm!
16:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00049743 = 1.7907 BTC [-] {2}
16:17 mircea_popescu davout rich kid is ahead of the other kids, because his parents are technically a magic wand. fat kid is behind the other kids, because fat is unappealing. this tension creates very insane sort of behaviours.
16:18 davout hah
16:18 mircea_popescu generally it ends up twisted in the position where the other kids drive the wedge of forcing him to do things his magic wand disapproves of.
16:18 mircea_popescu course the more perceptive magic wands try to do the exact same.
16:18 mircea_popescu but in any case, nature abhors a tension, and it will be resolved.
16:19 mircea_popescu thestringpuller obviously. because the god of reddit hath so ordained that everything that can exist is directly accessible with no effort to anyone, and so... three second's effort is good enuf to form any opinion!
16:22 mircea_popescu trinque for a minute there i thought hoodie is an actual vc "company"
16:23 mircea_popescu btw mossberg got axed iirc ? he still around ?
16:24 mircea_popescu in any event : http://41.media.tumblr.com/9ea31aa205736d9e7d22e95933f71218/tumblr_mz3e5lUWNv1sayo9ko1_1280.jpg
16:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LclmBV )
16:26 trinque mircea_popescu: I'm sure there's some shartup out there going by Hoodie
16:26 mircea_popescu Hoodie enables you to express yourself through technology by making web app development very fast, easy and accessible. It's a complete backend for your ...
16:26 trinque dunno what mossberg's doing now; the event I'm recalling is... All Things Digital maybe? Zuck nearly had a panic attack responding to softball questions.
16:26 mircea_popescu and right you are.
16:26 * trinque shakes his head
16:27 trinque this industry... burn it to the ground
16:27 mircea_popescu working on it.
16:27 mircea_popescu but meanwhile, http://40.media.tumblr.com/288689bfce3297a527e3b75a300b107e/tumblr_mw9fallq2Y1rdaiz9o1_500.jpg
16:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcmchU )
16:29 trinque dem curves!
16:30 davout mircea_popescu trinque "hoodie is a committed team dedicated to hand-making gorgeous organic sweat shirts, delivered right to your door by our awesome fixie riders"
16:30 mircea_popescu wait two of em ?!
16:30 mircea_popescu http://hood.ie
16:30 assbot hood.ie ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcmO7a )
16:31 davout lol no i just made that up
16:31 mircea_popescu i love how "awesome" has come to mean "i think we're not paying these dudes enough". originally teh various journalist herdsmen thought they were being oh so clever
16:32 mircea_popescu but twenty years later sheer usage has worked the surfaces of the thing into the exact shape of its meaning.
16:32 mircea_popescu wisdom of the crowds, this is exactly what it means.
16:35 mircea_popescu !up CoraCrisT
16:36 CoraCrisT thanks, M.
16:36 CoraCrisT hey guys
16:36 mircea_popescu sure. get in the wot already, you'll regret each wasted day in a few years.
16:40 mircea_popescu davout: one week later, scalpl made 7% profit <<< best rng ever :D
16:42 thestringpuller hanbot: this reminds me of my college where guise didn't know anything about this socializing thing.
16:43 thestringpuller hanbot: "Lets be nice as possible to the girl and maybe she'll touch me even though I'm an awkward neck beard who needs more rejection"
16:49 pete_dushenski howdy assets!
16:49 mircea_popescu ello
16:49 pete_dushenski how's that air in ba today?
16:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00049559 = 14.4217 BTC [-] {2}
16:51 mircea_popescu pretty sweet. http://40.media.tumblr.com/db77d8ed29ba1ef06ef579f07e658d47/tumblr_mr26k5HDwO1s7eb1eo1_1280.jpg
16:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lcrmus )
16:52 pete_dushenski it's really not bad here either, all things considered.
16:52 pete_dushenski i'll take 0C in january
17:04 pete_dushenski The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has established a research and essay competition in honor of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah Bin Abdul-Aziz hosted by the National Defense University.
17:04 pete_dushenski no word on how big the purse is
17:09 mircea_popescu Adlai: in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies << heh the problem of "contests" and "giveaways" etc.
17:10 pete_dushenski manual scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/26/even-north-korea-knows-that-public-relations-isnt-about-being-nice-anymore/
17:10 assbot Even North Korea knows that public relations isn’t about being nice anymore. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lcvri6 )
17:10 mircea_popescu mats: former-head-gchq-warns-ethically-worse-kinds-spying-if-unbreakable-encryption-is-allowed << asswipes in temper tantrum mode. "if we don't get chocolate we will piss in the bet"
17:10 mircea_popescu somehow the obvious "bitch, if you piss in the bed you will be digging ditches naked 18 hours a day for the next five years." isn't quite obvious to gchq angry children.
17:12 pete_dushenski and of course "ethical" is whatever benefits my narrow range of interests
17:12 pete_dushenski because i'm the pre-copernican church
17:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00051104 = 22.9968 BTC [+] {2}
17:16 davout !rated itkin
17:16 assbot itkin is not registered in WoT.
17:17 davout ;;rated itkin
17:17 gribble You have not yet rated user itkin
17:17 TheNewDeal ;;ident
17:17 gribble Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is identified as user 'TheNewDeal', with GPG key id DFBEC17DF96DFB77, key fingerprint 468950118F292A0AA73BCCC3DFBEC17DF96DFB77, and bitcoin address None
17:18 TheNewDeal ;;nethash
17:18 gribble 272295812.481
17:18 TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats
17:18 gribble Current Blocks: 340603 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 41248798297.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.19231
17:22 mircea_popescu dropping again huh
17:23 pete_dushenski looking that way.
17:24 pete_dushenski that exahash is taking forever
17:24 pete_dushenski i want it nao!
17:27 pete_dushenski Uber promises not to price-gouge during massive east-coast blizzard << because what are prices good for anyways ?
17:29 mircea_popescu "uber promises to make the market not work"
17:29 mircea_popescu tell you what : if there's fifty people willingm to pay 1 dollar and five people willing to pay 10 dollars, and 5 cabs,
17:29 mircea_popescu the cabs should fucking cost 10 dollar.
17:30 pete_dushenski and if there's one cab, $100
17:31 pete_dushenski this is how you get "everyone should have meat with every meal" turning agriculture into a 'meat' production industry
17:31 pete_dushenski !up phillipsjk
17:32 pete_dushenski heya phillipsjk, who are you?
17:32 phillipsjk Have people been experiencing DDOS attacks? I have the sketchiest data, but suspect 1.2Gbps on saturday and larger today
17:32 pete_dushenski there were a few "ddosbot" attacks over the weekend, ya
17:33 phillipsjk Hi, I am James Phillips, dishwasher from Canada.
17:33 pete_dushenski welcome
17:33 phillipsjk I am not even running a bitcoin node. (only Friecoin) on this connection.
17:33 phillipsjk I wonder if just joining this channel gets me on the hit-list.
17:34 pete_dushenski if it did, you'd know already
17:34 pete_dushenski i was hit within 30 seconds of logging on sans cloak
17:34 pete_dushenski downed my internet for 30 minutes or so
17:34 mircea_popescu phillipsjk told you the same in pm lol, did you get that ?
17:34 pete_dushenski no ?
17:35 phillipsjk he uped me
17:35 pete_dushenski phillipsjk: so what intel do you have about these attacks?
17:36 phillipsjk I am considering hooking up a packet sniffer nextime it happens.
17:36 thestringpuller downed my internet for 30 minutes or so << yea that happened to me during netsplit was pretty bad
17:38 pete_dushenski phillipsjk: you're on shawcable, so whereabouts in alberta are you?
17:40 phillipsjk Router complained about "smurf attacks" (from china) but worry those may be false positives since the IPs were from /16 netblock and eneded in .255: 182.134.248.255 125.89.36.255 221.89.36.255
17:40 phillipsjk Edmonton
17:41 pete_dushenski cool. so am i actually.
17:41 pete_dushenski how'd you find this place?
17:42 mircea_popescu so wait, you're not being ddosed now ?
17:42 phillipsjk Was told that the Future of Bitcoin is decided here, not in the Bitcointalk forums.
17:42 mircea_popescu what, the kid just spikes a few kps for five minutes and then that's it, givwesu p ?
17:42 mircea_popescu phillipsjk that part is true.
17:43 phillipsjk mircea_popescu, it was about 30 minutes each time. at least 3 times.
17:43 mircea_popescu but not anymore now /
17:43 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: not like ddosbot kid has infinity resources. has to end eventually
17:43 mircea_popescu ?
17:43 mircea_popescu anyway phillipsjk best practice would be to get a cloak.
17:43 thestringpuller or connect from tor
17:43 thestringpuller lol
17:43 phillipsjk So you think it is jsut from joining this channel then?
17:43 pete_dushenski i experienced the same 30 min ddos thing while fiddling with new irc clients
17:44 pete_dushenski phillipsjk: almost certainly
17:44 thestringpuller whenever my ip gets exposed i get hammered
17:44 mircea_popescu phillipsjk definitely.
17:44 mircea_popescu !s ddos
17:44 assbot 455 results for 'ddos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ddos
17:44 pete_dushenski it's an unintentional barrier to entry, if anything
17:44 mircea_popescu ^ look through there, it's discussed plenty
17:44 davout phillipsjk: yes, people get ddosed from joining uncloaked
17:46 pete_dushenski California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn’t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people!
17:46 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: the last ddos knocked out my phones too
17:46 thestringpuller my house phone couldn't dial out lol
17:46 pete_dushenski The State Lands Commission may use powers never employed in its 77-year history, seizing private land for public use to end a battle between surfers and billionaire venture-capital investor Vinod Khosla, who has been locking a gate at his beach property along California’s Pacific Coast.
17:46 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: crazy
17:47 thestringpuller script kiddie may not have infinite resources
17:47 thestringpuller but can definitely fuck up my couch when he knows my address
17:47 danielpbarron phillipsjk> Was told that the Future of Bitcoin is decided here, not in the Bitcointalk forums. << oh that's where i've seen your name! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10247429#msg10247429
17:47 assbot Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1yWtkKu )
17:48 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.61929562 BTC. Current weight: 68,439.
17:48 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.87303349 BTC. Current weight: 85,030.
17:50 phillipsjk By 'we' I meant the reddit and Bitcointalk 'tards of course.
17:50 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: ah, good eye
17:51 phillipsjk I may have confused MP with somebody else in that post. (MP is apparently not a coder)
17:51 pete_dushenski phillipsjk: lol now you have me curious where you wash dishes. i can always go for a good meal on clean dinnerware
17:51 Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 40(Y):60(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.35433047 BTC. Current weight: 51,859.
17:52 pete_dushenski mp is definitely more beeznizmayn than codermonkey
17:53 phillipsjk It is in my resume: Coliseum Pizza & Steak LTD.
17:54 pete_dushenski a, famous spot, that
17:54 pete_dushenski can't say i've been
17:54 phillipsjk Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though.
17:57 pete_dushenski that's pretty normal, really
17:57 danielpbarron too expensive to run a full node? aren't you one of the ones trying to make the blocks bigger?
17:57 pete_dushenski zing!
17:59 phillipsjk If I us web-hosting I get 5TB/month for $80 or so
18:00 phillipsjk I was paying $109.10 for commercial access. (300GB cap)
18:00 TheNewDeal I am just imaginging advertisements on the TV, similar to those during political season in usia, with some phony from the Bitcoin Foundation and a sign "10gb blocks in 2016"
18:02 pete_dushenski "yes we can"
18:03 pete_dushenski anyways gang, i'm off. don't wear out those keyboards while i'm gone!
18:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00052732 = 23.9931 BTC [+] {2}
18:15 danielpbarron http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tp9w0/help_lost_wallet_data_5btc_reward/co13yq5?context=8 << guy gets 5 BTC for basically saying "did you try restarting it?" also, guy cries over getting 5 BTC
18:15 assbot Introshine comments on HELP ! Lost wallet data, 5BTC reward ... ( http://bit.ly/1z3tnmi )
18:17 thestringpuller "Don't you know? Human beings become omniscient, infallible gods the moment they begin accepting a paycheck from the state."
18:18 thestringpuller ^- that guy gets it
18:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.0005194 = 10.8425 BTC [-]
18:20 mircea_popescu <pete_dushenski> California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn’t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people! << soooooo ... why would someone own anything in california ?
18:23 mircea_popescu "There are those whose only concern is worshiping at the altar of money and turning a profit, whereas others see Bitcoin as a tool for social and political revolution."
18:23 mircea_popescu lmao
18:23 mircea_popescu libertard has cut up the pie!
18:24 mircea_popescu "social and political revolution" = more of the same shit ; "worshipping at the altar of money" = actual social and political revolution. in the proper sense, as in, the opposite of evolution.
18:25 mircea_popescu danielpbarron funny hpw that doomad dude neglects to consider the point that "we can all use it" AS IT IS. unless we ALL agree to use it a different way, it is NOT HAPPENING.
18:25 mircea_popescu irrespective of what "sociopolitical ideals" he miught wish to force on others.
18:25 mircea_popescu the stuff one finds in the logs i swear.
18:26 mircea_popescu "Your statement that the new fork won't succeed is nothing but speculation, your guess is only worth as much as anyone else's. No one can claim with any certainty that they know what's going to happen." << late to that party.
18:26 mircea_popescu my "buy gavincoin at 25% off still got exactly 0 offers"
18:27 lobbes phillipsjk: Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though << try out lowendbox.com. I'm planning on following the advice given here and start a node running some version of debian
18:27 lobbes phillipsjk: should only be a few bucks a month
18:29 PeterL mircea_popescu: what happens with your 25% offer if they never stick megablocks into bitcoin-core code?
18:29 danielpbarron the people with all the bitcoin are the bad ones because money is evil, and the people with no bitcoin are going to tell them what the rules should be
18:30 mircea_popescu PeterL it'll have to be discussed, obv. whoever wants to trade gets to work with me on a ocntract that covers all legitimate concerns.
18:30 mircea_popescu danielpbarron "because you are in the minority" derp.
18:30 mircea_popescu but yes, that is pretty much exactly what your average libertard thinks politics is : "people with no money telling the people with money how they may proceed"
18:31 mircea_popescu exactly fucking opposite of sanity.
18:31 danielpbarron and somehow one of them manages to keep 500 BTC this whole time; someone who thought his funds were gone because his blockchain needed rensynching
18:32 mircea_popescu anyway, it's funny just how self-contradictory the guy is, and how carefully crafted his pile, and how incredibly unstable in spite of all that effort. reading his lengthy posts is sort-of like admiring someone who managed to build a half mile tall chair pile in his quest to get to the moon on chairs.
18:32 mircea_popescu if you as much as sneeze it all comes crumbling down, and yet he's stupidly put all that effort into it... like a blind seal or something.
18:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00051835 = 15.8874 BTC [-] {2}
18:33 mircea_popescu but who knows, right ? it's "not decided yet". he's not come here to have his construction taken apart ; the fork's not actually been destroyed in the field, and "we don't know for sure it's a scam" etc.
18:34 mircea_popescu in unrelated news : some guy named zyklon_b joins some chatroom, buncha derps throw a fit, i tell em to stfu, which results in private messaging and ragequits :
18:34 mircea_popescu <gurlwest> its possible but there is such a thing as responsibility, and i feel its mine to point out that Zyklon B is highly offensive and brings this place into disrepute
18:34 mircea_popescu <MirceaPopescu> and i feel it's mine to point out to you that you're the [unthinking] representative of everything that's wrong with the world generally, and United Stupid particularly.
18:34 mircea_popescu * gurlwest has quit (Connection reset by peer)
18:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11210 @ 0.0005168 = 5.7933 BTC [-]
18:38 mircea_popescu http://nypost.com/2015/01/24/white-house-going-nuclear-on-netanyahu/
18:38 assbot White House going nuclear on Netanyahu | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1yWATAS )
18:49 nubbins` lel x5, one of woodcollector's alts "doxxed" me
18:49 nubbins` sends me this serious PM with some google streetview of my neighbourhood and my name+address
18:49 nubbins` couple pix from my fb
18:49 mircea_popescu o hey, are you going off nubbins` to your pw:rn nao ?
18:50 nubbins` wat
18:50 asciilifeform lol, 'doxing'
18:50 mircea_popescu ;;google pw:rn
18:50 gribble Bounty Hunter Cards - Dark Age: <http://www.dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/BountyHunter2.0.pdf>; Followers of the Heretic Cards - Dark Age: <http://dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/HereticCards2015.pdf>; Kukulkani Cards - Dark Age: <http://www.dark-age.com/Downloads/Cards/KukulkaniCards2.0.pdf>
18:50 mircea_popescu wow.
18:50 nubbins` rn=real name?
18:51 mircea_popescu yeh
18:51 mircea_popescu https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Powerword
18:51 assbot Powerword - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wylJMi )
18:51 asciilifeform !s true names
18:51 assbot 17 results for 'true names' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=true+names
18:51 mircea_popescu dude ed went to shit.
18:52 nubbins` o i get it
18:52 nubbins` well anyway.
18:52 nubbins` my home address was already public on the forum
18:52 nubbins` and he got the phone number wrong ;/
18:52 mircea_popescu so he could work for yellowpages
18:52 nubbins` and he says "maybe i'll see you at <event i'm attending on facebook> tomorrow at 8pm... i'm only 80km away"
18:53 mircea_popescu wear a gopro.
18:53 davout nubbins`: you better call the bitcoin police
18:54 mircea_popescu davout if memory serves nubbins` is this tall bear-y sorta guy
18:54 asciilifeform nubbins`: prepare for laser duel.
18:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ahahaha that took a minute
18:54 nubbins` heh
18:54 davout asciilifeform: i just got it
18:55 mircea_popescu hey nubbins` did you handcarve the turkey last thskgiving ?
18:55 mircea_popescu OR DID YOU USE A LASER
18:55 nubbins` hilariously, you are literally either in the ocean or a vast, uninhabited wilderness reserve if you are 80km from me
18:55 nubbins` mircea_popescu i silkscreened cranberry sauce onto thin slices of it
18:55 mircea_popescu the advantage of silk sheets is you can silkscreen tits and stuff with your bare hands.
18:56 mircea_popescu !up badon
18:56 nubbins` with the proper mesh count anything is possible
18:56 mircea_popescu mush cunt! http://40.media.tumblr.com/038c7d1f7c9119ebe84a543b0af5b4b2/tumblr_mqkjtd3Trz1qcr2gxo1_1280.jpg
18:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wym01V )
18:57 badon hi mircea_popescu
19:00 nubbins` oddly, i haven't received any more PMs since casually mentioning WC's actual job in a post
19:00 nubbins` probably a coincidence
19:02 thestringpuller dude
19:02 thestringpuller expression engine is a fucking joke
19:02 thestringpuller i can't do this anymore
19:02 thestringpuller i'm about to blow my brains out man
19:02 thestringpuller i'll never joke about wordpress again
19:11 thestringpuller :q
19:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: i have a working 'u-boot' for toy node (builds as CROSSDEV armv5 on x86 gentoo), working linux kernel built in same manner, boots from nand flash.
19:16 nubbins` fun
19:16 nubbins` 5/5 would help design packaging for
19:18 thestringpuller :q
19:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: how it is to work: machine boots from nand flash, walks attached mass storage device list, tests if any contains ext3 filesystem with blockchain therein. if found, used. if not found, device is formatted and bitcoind runs there. runs inside a loop, if oomkilled - resurrected.
19:21 trinque asciilifeform: nice!
19:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds.
19:23 mircea_popescu hey badon
19:23 badon hey
19:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform splendid.
19:23 mircea_popescu mod6 ye hear that ? :D
19:24 mircea_popescu !up mod6
19:24 asciilifeform also discovered that pogo-4 has a 32kB eeprom full of zeros, unused.
19:24 mircea_popescu what a nice little gewm this thing turns out to be
19:24 mod6 ah.
19:24 asciilifeform purchased a second pogo-4 for testing autodeflorator
19:24 mod6 was i unvoiced?
19:24 asciilifeform (script for converting a brand-new unit into a weaponized one)
19:25 mod6 thats awesome.
19:25 asciilifeform repopulated missing solder pads for rs232 console. very handy for kernel work. i suggest that any of you who purchased a unit, do the same.
19:26 mod6 i'll have to pick one up when I get a chance...
19:26 mircea_popescu mod6 yeh just as soon as bitcoind-unbraindamaged is ready... in it goes!
19:26 mod6 :D
19:26 asciilifeform http://cfile2.uf.tistory.com/image/1809383A517761BB1B27C9 << where to put
19:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcXTk3 )
19:28 asciilifeform also needed is a small list of ntp servers that can be trusted to work reasonably often
19:29 asciilifeform preferably including one or two controlled by wot folks
19:29 asciilifeform (if not all)
19:29 mod6 that shouldn't be a huge problem. bbiab -- we can talk about that part a bit more.
19:30 asciilifeform it turns out that ntp can happen straight from u-boot (bootloader)
19:30 asciilifeform and then ntp client can be omitted from the rootfs itself.
19:31 asciilifeform (why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?)
19:31 trinque I've found ntpd to be a pain on such devices; I just cron a call to rdate instead
19:31 asciilifeform 'u-boot' has equivalent built in.
19:31 trinque ntpd can apparently be told to always update, never give up when skew is huge, but *shrug* never worked for me
19:32 asciilifeform !up phillipsjk
19:32 phillipsjk running NTP more than once lets you compute clock drift.
19:32 asciilifeform aha.
19:32 asciilifeform box boots in ~10 sec.
19:33 asciilifeform so i'm not averse to simply having it reboot weekly or so
19:33 asciilifeform (automatic)
19:33 asciilifeform bitcoind will get oomkilled often enough as it is.
19:33 asciilifeform (until somebody plugs the leaks)
19:36 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> (why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?) << One of those coming up soon
19:36 phillipsjk I suggest pool.ntp.org for NTP servers that work reasonably often.
19:37 asciilifeform phillipsjk: we'd like some that are not under nato control.
19:38 BingoBoingo http://www.openntpd.org/
19:38 assbot OpenNTPD ... ( http://bit.ly/1wynM2V )
19:38 phillipsjk Bitcoin tolerates time-stamps off by an hour anyway since a certain popular OS did not support hardware UTC until recently.
19:40 trinque asciilifeform: ah I glossed over "why more than once"
19:40 trinque in my experience the rpi skews clock as some function of cpu load
19:40 trinque shit you not
19:40 asciilifeform rpi is a steaming pile of shit.
19:41 trinque that it is.
19:41 asciilifeform in two dozen different ways.
19:41 asciilifeform 'but it's cheap1111!!!!11!! d3m0cr4cy!!!11111111111'
19:41 asciilifeform 'pogo' - costs less than half of rpi, incidentally.
19:42 asciilifeform and doesn't have dedicated cores running weird, evil closed-sourced blob at all times. or a defective i/o bridge.
19:42 asciilifeform and ships in a (spartan) plastic chassis, and with power brick.
19:42 phillipsjk Cheap is my Pentium-II-350 still in service. (also with 256MB or RAM)
19:42 asciilifeform phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production.
19:43 asciilifeform phillipsjk: original thread concerned experiments with machines that will run bitcoind that fit these characteristics.
19:43 asciilifeform at minimal cost.
19:44 phillipsjk yeah, had to move it yesterday. revised the weight estimate up from 50lbs to 60lbs to 70lbs.
19:44 asciilifeform a machine containing a fan, even one, esp. a plastic chinese fan, cannot be called 'fire and forget'
19:45 phillipsjk I recommend 2GB or RAM for running a node. sounds like you are trying to get that number down.
19:45 asciilifeform 128m.
19:46 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production. << The trifecta of want
19:47 phillipsjk Hmm Freicoin is apparently using only like 36MB of RAM at the moment.
19:47 asciilifeform fanless and elephant-sized would suffice in a pinch
19:47 asciilifeform but these, afaik, do not exist either
19:47 phillipsjk Should be possible then.
19:47 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu wants to hand these out at parties.
19:48 asciilifeform so must be reasonably low-cost.
19:48 asciilifeform and something a civilian could plug in, somewhere in his cellar, and forget about it.
19:49 asciilifeform incidentally, there is an output device: bicolour led.
19:49 asciilifeform i'm having it turn red once the drive fills.
19:49 asciilifeform or if cannot reach the net.
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20:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00050211 = 6.3768 BTC [-]
20:22 asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al: consider mutilating the version string. perhaps 'Serenissima 1.5.3.x' ?
20:23 asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al: this has more than merely ceremonial effect, as, iirc, there are phoundation nodes that won't talk to < 0.8
20:23 asciilifeform why make it easy for the bastards.
20:34 mircea_popescu making what easy ?
20:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: splitting the net
20:35 mircea_popescu bitcoin is bitcoin. no need to give bitcoin a special name just because some derps are derping.
20:35 asciilifeform call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish.
20:35 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: was 0.5.3.1 an actual release?
20:35 asciilifeform x.1 - not afaik.
20:36 asciilifeform but existing installations still register it as 'obsolete'
20:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why ?
20:36 ben_vulpes mkay, well i published a patch that bumps to 0.5.3.1, don't know if you saw that
20:36 mircea_popescu unrelatedly, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a9a17b3d8f01f9aea1069a3cb17bf616/tumblr_mnbga3JTYO1s2gjgzo1_1280.jpg
20:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1y10l40 )
20:37 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds. << pretty neat
20:37 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: unstable configuration?
20:38 ben_vulpes anything interesting in the logs today?
20:40 mircea_popescu nothing terribly.
20:41 mircea_popescu !up phillipsjk nah, just tradition.
20:41 mod6 <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing"
20:41 asciilifeform mod6: version number is actually used in the proggy
20:41 mod6 so it seems to me, the most logical thing to call this is v0.5.3.1
20:41 * phillipsjk was asking about the pics
20:42 asciilifeform mod6: if we're prepared for the eventuality that only our nodes answer our nodes - then yes.
20:42 phillipsjk I take it the female population in this channel is low then.
20:42 mircea_popescu phillipsjk basically sanity split from idiocy in bitcoin on the topic of porn, back in 2012.
20:43 mircea_popescu see http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/ etc
20:43 assbot The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1y11M2n )
20:43 decimation re: ntp server < to do a good job, you really need a dedicated server to host
20:44 asciilifeform decimation: tricky, this. ntp is quite likely to be the weakest link here. central point of failure.
20:44 decimation ideally one with a low-jitter clock
20:44 asciilifeform without ntp, box has literally no notion of what the time is.
20:44 asciilifeform (there is no battery.)
20:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not so. looks at prev block
20:44 mircea_popescu box thinks the time is "the previous block's time"
20:44 decimation heh that's a good ida
20:45 asciilifeform one more patch then.
20:45 decimation it will be within minutes at least
20:45 mircea_popescu it's the only way to do time.
20:45 asciilifeform block-epoch
20:45 mircea_popescu all that's needed for this application.
20:45 asciilifeform may not even need to patch bitcoind
20:45 asciilifeform but can lift from file system timestamp
20:45 asciilifeform on blk***
20:46 asciilifeform it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely...
20:46 decimation yeah, you would probably want to average a few blocks & get system time
20:47 asciilifeform timestamp on fs only works if we had the correct time once
20:47 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> it's the only way to do time. << i've been saying there's no such thing as time for a while now, only the length of the longest chain...
20:47 asciilifeform so no good for warmup
20:47 decimation asciilifeform: what stuff needs clock? filesystem timestamps? logging?
20:47 asciilifeform at any rate, this does not necessarily work
20:47 asciilifeform it is conceivable that the node is cut off from the net for a spell
20:47 asciilifeform and then reconnected
20:48 asciilifeform in fact, this is guaranteed to happen during transport
20:48 asciilifeform can't use time of last block then
20:48 decimation why does system need correct time between bootup and say two live observations of blocks?
20:49 asciilifeform simply to lazily avoid making yet another change to bitcoind.
20:50 asciilifeform (ideally, what runs on toy node will be quite the same thing as used on normal machines, but built for the embedded cpu)
20:52 asciilifeform jurov: http://ml.btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source no worky
20:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely... << i have no idea why it'd have been included.
20:54 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes never any disagreeement on that score :)
20:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why not ?
20:55 mircea_popescu and it DID have the correct time once. comes preloaded with the timestamp of say when we started this discussion. or w/e.
20:56 BingoBoingo <mod6> <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing" << Propper solution is counting down from 9000
20:57 mod6 ya, kalvin has been discussed too
20:57 mod6 i kinda like the notion.
20:57 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d/src/util.cpp#L959
20:57 assbot bitcoin/util.cpp at d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1y14SU7 )
20:57 * asciilifeform likes kelvin versioning
20:58 asciilifeform ^ above code will have to be changed to actually set the machine clock ?
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20:58 asciilifeform presently it just spews warnings
20:58 asciilifeform and node operates using system time
20:58 mircea_popescu yeh
20:59 asciilifeform that's what i was speaking of.
20:59 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> can't use time of last block then << that's where i caught
20:59 BingoBoingo http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.639249?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
20:59 assbot Argentine president seeks to dissolve spy agency after murky death of state prosecutor - World - Israel News | Haaretz ... ( http://bit.ly/1zR5HEE )
20:59 asciilifeform can use time of last block on wire.
21:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: kirov.
21:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plain as daylight.
21:00 asciilifeform dec. 1, 1934.
21:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform guy wasn't some sort of bright young thing
21:01 asciilifeform not necessary for the analogy.
21:02 asciilifeform 1) kill inconvenient whoever 2) prattle on about 'dastardly murderers who must be brought to justice' 3) ??? 4) profit
21:03 mircea_popescu hard to know what exactly happened there. however, there's little doubt this was a ss job.
21:03 mircea_popescu and VERY inept one at that.
21:03 asciilifeform 'spy agency' will be abolished and replaced with another, usg-friendly one.
21:03 mircea_popescu whether the woman was involved or wasn't, the ss should get beheaded and well shook up after this.
21:03 asciilifeform (not a 'sixth eye' by any means, but something like german bnd)
21:03 mircea_popescu mno, the current one is us-friendly.
21:04 asciilifeform perhaps not enough ?
21:04 mircea_popescu that's the thing, cristina wants to behead them.
21:04 mircea_popescu nah, too much.
21:04 mircea_popescu that's the facts of the matter : spy agency is inept (practically) and missaligned (ideally). it has to get gutted.
21:05 mircea_popescu now, wehther the woman ordered them to do a job knowing they'll bothc it, or
21:05 mircea_popescu whether some 'enemies' were inept enough to do all this and just land it in her lap,
21:05 ben_vulpes <coderwill> there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal) << how does this fly with you people - verbal contracts for a thing with nothing written. when you sign the paper that says "i will work for thus and such" do you not stink the place up for lack of options?
21:05 mircea_popescu or whatever else, all paths lead to the same spot.
21:05 thestringpuller asciilifeform: the private spy networks are probably much more frightening compared to say the CIA
21:05 asciilifeform unfortunate thing is that new spy agencies tend to get made from rubble of the immediate predecessor, and never from whole cloth
21:05 ben_vulpes i suppose you people also don't ask to see the cap table, and when told "that's privileged" don't turn around and walk out.
21:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's not even the problem. the problem is that argentina has no school, and so either it uses us educated iditos, or else what, get the russians in ?
21:06 asciilifeform modern russians work for pay.
21:06 mircea_popescu everyone works for pay.
21:06 mircea_popescu until they don't.
21:06 BingoBoingo contract hanbot?
21:06 asciilifeform as instructors, being
21:06 mircea_popescu shit, wikileaks worked for pay.
21:07 mircea_popescu there's nothing to instruct here.
21:07 mircea_popescu you can't find five argentines to rob a bank with, let alone do actual work.
21:07 asciilifeform 'argentina has no school'
21:07 mike_c ben_vulpes: option grants must be approved by the board.
21:07 mike_c the company has to do a 409a valuation to set the price
21:07 mike_c their coming, we promise.
21:07 mike_c *they're
21:08 ben_vulpes oh the board doesn't have their shit together with regards to the employee pool?
21:08 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: d00d, there are 0 ride or die niggas in Argentina?
21:08 mircea_popescu mike_c ben_vulpes it's a thoroughly broken, dysfunctional and nonsensical model, andja know it.
21:08 thestringpuller there has to be like 1
21:08 mircea_popescu !up NhanH
21:08 ben_vulpes at least they're serious about not trying to recruit the "best! brightest!"
21:08 mike_c certainly. just saying, that's how they avoid granting them on day 1 of employment.
21:09 mircea_popescu mike_c amusingly enough, it's exactly the same process (dressed in different words) that your average romanian inkeep uses to keep the average romanian wench working under the table.
21:10 mike_c i believe it. welcome to life under a thumb.
21:10 mircea_popescu moar like, "welcome to we also use windows, because stupidity doesn't stink, nor hurt."
21:11 mircea_popescu oh gawd if only stupidity could smell.
21:11 mike_c it does smell to some.
21:11 asciilifeform it does. simply not everyone has a nose.
21:11 mircea_popescu yeah. but that's what i'm saying.
21:11 mircea_popescu smell, universally, like rotten brains in the sun.
21:11 ben_vulpes <trinque> #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no? << key word - "eventually"
21:13 TheNewDeal Universe would be too logical if a foul fecal odour were emitted in proportion to the idiocy of a statement emitted by a person
21:15 thestringpuller TheNewDeal: lol, people have organ that makes them fart when they act like idiots
21:15 thestringpuller would make a great south park episode
21:15 trinque ben_vulpes: eventually is also when I'll have a fully synced blockchain
21:15 ben_vulpes ain't it da truf
21:17 ben_vulpes <punkman> [] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg << this is what happens when even knives are outlawed
21:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1y19rxx )
21:17 ben_vulpes you can rob a place with a...stick.
21:17 ben_vulpes ;;seen mrstickball
21:17 gribble mrstickball was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Mrstickball> they are as well, AFAIK
21:17 ben_vulpes ;;seen the20year
21:17 gribble the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <the20year> i hear they're aiming for a 0.5% APY
21:17 ben_vulpes !t h rent
21:17 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00694499 / 0.00699235 / 0.00710000 (449 shares, 3.13956438 BTC), 7D: 0.00670000 / 0.00690819 / 0.00749900 (927 shares, 6.40388833 BTC), 30D: 0.00450005 / 0.0058294 / 0.00950000 (5910 shares, 34.45176729 BTC)
21:17 asciilifeform who is mrs. tickball ?
21:18 mike_c brother of 20year
21:18 ben_vulpes one of the ohians renting squats to derps
21:18 asciilifeform unlike some of the non-usa folks here, i find it entirely plausible that nobody claimed the free coin.
21:18 asciilifeform as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected street idiot to take a bitcoin.
21:19 ben_vulpes as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected semi technically savvy person to take a bitcoin.
21:19 ben_vulpes webwallets do not count.
21:19 asciilifeform aha.
21:19 ben_vulpes everyone who's inclined is in.
21:19 mats hi cuties
21:20 ben_vulpes everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again.
21:20 ben_vulpes hey mats, how're the massachusets sluts today?
21:20 mats indoors awaiting the snowpocalypse
21:20 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i suspect they would even refuse a brick of, e.g., iridium. because it isn't gold, they've never seen it, have no idea of its value nor even whether it's a stable element
21:20 asciilifeform because slept in second grade
21:21 mats hell of a grade school
21:21 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: when 1200 usd/btc, did they take?
21:21 ben_vulpes some
21:22 ben_vulpes every bubble's going to bring more into the fold. hurt more when it pops.
21:22 ben_vulpes not rocket surgery, this.
21:22 asciilifeform 'took' so they can lose to winblows, or sell at 100.
21:22 thestringpuller the psychology of the bagholder
21:22 ben_vulpes and also "take"? nobody was offering. selling, maybe.
21:23 asciilifeform the psychology of not merely bagholder, but with gigantic hole in the bottom of bag
21:24 asciilifeform every bubble's going to bring more into the fold << trying to make argument that they weren't 'in', but more like the clingers-on one sees hanging from trams and trolleybuses in the turd works
21:24 asciilifeform *world
21:25 asciilifeform say a demented beggar were to print 'stocks' and 'futures' on used toilet paper. for, say, exxon.
21:26 asciilifeform a set of entirely brainless, thoroughly pickled bums - buys these 'financial instruments'
21:26 asciilifeform are they thus 'in' the whatever bubble ?
21:26 asciilifeform fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration.
21:26 asciilifeform *wallet
21:27 BingoBoingo Соединённые Штаты Пиндоссии
21:27 asciilifeform aha.
21:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: bonus points if you track down the etymology of пиндос
21:28 asciilifeform (hint: nothing, contrary to popular notion, to do with pederasty)
21:28 ben_vulpes can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't.
21:29 BingoBoingo Πίνδος << The wrong kind of greeks
21:29 BingoBoingo Working on that vocabulary
21:29 BingoBoingo Roughly Idiot
21:30 asciilifeform aha. it caught on, and no one knows (afaik) precisely why.
21:30 BingoBoingo https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/2/29/Pindos_1295689810643.jpg/463px-Pindos_1295689810643.jpg
21:30 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1ckhZ )
21:31 mod6 so currently, to set the version we must set this value: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/serialize.h#L63
21:31 assbot bitcoin/serialize.h at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1crdl )
21:31 BingoBoingo The spanish pendejo sounds similar. Not sure if phonetic accident or otherwise.
21:32 mod6 and im wondering, if we use kalvin, and start at 9000 (it'll result in v0.0.90-beta) how we can ensure that other nodes won't think we're on < 0.8
21:32 asciilifeform mod6: add zeros as needed.
21:35 Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "S&P 500 to drop under 1700 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1087/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.71560018 BTC. Current weight: 39,393.
21:37 BingoBoingo https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81 << Sounds like a not impossibru explanation
21:37 assbot Пиндос — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1dWsb )
21:40 BingoBoingo More on the Pindo that called for Linux to quit Linus http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/21/yes-i-was-a-racist-and-im-mentally-ill-shanley-kane-in-shocking-social-media-meltdown/
21:40 assbot 'Yes, I was a racist' admits Shanley Kane - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1eNJ9 )
21:41 mod6 so my point here is, without a bigger overhaul to the versioning system; one would have to set 90000 to be v0.9.0, or 9000000 to be 9.0.0, but then what? because we should be counting down. and at some point, we'll cross the threshold of < 0.8
21:41 mod6 (900000 = v0.90.0)
21:41 mod6 so... :/
21:41 mod6 overhaul required.
21:43 mod6 anyway, i like the kalvin thing. but that'll have to be something to think about later.
21:44 BingoBoingo What about count down from maxint
21:45 mircea_popescu mod6 a) lord kelvin! there's no kalvin. an' b) just forget about this entire vanity version thing, why do you want to hardfork the versions now ?!
21:45 mircea_popescu let em be, it's 0.5.3 it's 0.5.3 what of it
21:47 mod6 i was pretty set on v0.5.3.1 until ascii tells us that we might not be able to be talk to anything < 0.8 -- which to me seems weird.. because i've fully syncd a dozen times, and done send/receive np
21:47 mod6 err > 0.8
21:48 mircea_popescu that's nonsense.
21:48 mod6 we're getting close to wrapping up a first cut of this thing. so i want to nail down any changes before we get start to roll one.
21:48 mod6 any *last minute* requirements
21:48 mircea_popescu anyone's more than welcome to run their own blocklists, which some people do. but the entire network's built on the premise that you can'trealy isolate nodes.
21:50 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again. << at the time it was 50-70bux or so.
21:50 mircea_popescu go break into one of these low income households, rape the women, kill the men, ransack the drawers.
21:50 mircea_popescu see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux.
21:50 decimation re: version numbers: what about the knuth model of approching pi or something?
21:51 * mod6 looks
21:52 decimation ben_vulpes: technically pointy sticks are already outlawed in most us states
21:52 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration. << pretty good one. especially because it happened
21:52 mod6 decimation: got a link to something about that, not seeing anything relevant
21:52 mircea_popescu hence the boiler room name
21:53 mod6 decimation: they just outlawed sledding too
21:53 mod6 LEL
21:53 decimation http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/abcde.html "The latest and best TeX is currently version 3.14159265 (and plain.tex is version 3.141592653); METAFONT is currently version 2.7182818 (and plain.mf is version 2.71). "
21:53 assbot Page not found | Stanford Computer Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1huuo )
21:53 mod6 ah thx
21:53 decimation or were you talking about pointy sticks?
21:53 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't. << one either owns real estate or doesn't. where does that leave the teenagers, inhabiting comfortable middle class homes they can't afford, and not even having to suck cock for it, like they will a decade down the road ?
21:54 mod6 decimation: i mean the pi versioning.
21:55 decimation so the idea would be you approach some irrational number with each improvement (add a digit)
21:57 mod6 so like: a]: v3 b]: v3.1 c]: v3.14 ... ?
21:57 mircea_popescu exactly.
21:57 decimation of course one could just store the number of digits too
21:57 mircea_popescu exactly.
21:57 ben_vulpes this is getting out of hand.
21:57 ben_vulpes stop messing with mod6's head
21:57 decimation hehe
21:58 ben_vulpes have the discussion sometime when we're not trying to do whatever we're trying to do this week, mk?
21:58 ben_vulpes introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing.
21:58 decimation re: ntp & bitcoind << actually, it would be possible to get ntp to 'listen' to bitcoind to keep track of time
22:00 decimation http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver28.html < with the proper configuration, one can poke the current block timestamp (and the system clock time when the block came in off the wire) into an ntp shared memory interface
22:00 assbot Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1iXAX )
22:00 decimation ntp will use its own math to average & filter time
22:01 BingoBoingo Just have to remember that carelessly configured ntp accessible on the network is one of the DoS amplification venues we hate
22:02 decimation no, in this case there would be no reason for ntp to be network accessible
22:02 decimation it is only used to filter incoming timestamps & maintain the system clock
22:03 Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/
22:03 decimation lol
22:03 BingoBoingo Ah cool
22:04 BingoBoingo Just have to make sure the toy node ntp implementation actually holds to that.
22:05 Bet placed: 7 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.30387905 BTC. Current weight: 56,085.
22:08 BingoBoingo Other serious engineering problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=oc9rYaX9en8&x-yt-cl=84503534
22:09 assbot I built my rabbit a cart and now he delivers me beer! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1l3k7 )
22:17 coderwill hi all
22:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing. << or a thing at all.
22:21 Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.599 BTC. Current weight: 99,976.
22:25 TheNewDeal wow that was a quick follow up
22:30 danielpbarron http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-30946748
22:30 assbot Rape threat found in Gateshead Travelodge room - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1q5x0 )
22:30 danielpbarron A woman who checked into a hotel room in Gateshead said she found the words "I'm going to rape you" on the TV screen. Travelodge said it believed someone may have used the TV manufacturer's code to change the settings.
22:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48715 @ 0.00050078 = 24.3955 BTC [-] {2}
22:31 mircea_popescu hacking!
22:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052854 = 8.6152 BTC [+] {2}
22:40 asciilifeform decimation: ntp shared memory interface << what have you been smoking ?!?!
22:40 asciilifeform decimation: terrible idea. can hardly even picture how to make it worse.
22:40 asciilifeform there is no reason to add linkages from bitcoind to kernel space.
22:40 asciilifeform let it maintain own local time if must
22:40 asciilifeform but as delta from system clock, in userland.
22:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there is no reason whatsoever to have ntp client -or- server on that box. question was whether to use functionality built into 'u-boot' to grab ntp time from [somewhere] once, on powerup.
22:41 BingoBoingo Ah
22:42 asciilifeform and what to do it not (or if this results in a wild number due to diddled box on other end)
22:42 asciilifeform *if not
22:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ...see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux << popular chumpatronic device in usa, but fading on accout of the demise of dead tree newspapers
22:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: modernized version of this sc4m4tr0n is 'services' where chump pays subscription (xx months Phr33333! l1mit3d t1m3!!!11) to get 'rewards' (coupons for things that he won't use / don't exist / end up costing even more than for others)
22:46 asciilifeform sometimes this is even included as... an employment perk. at some megacorps.
22:47 asciilifeform (it costs employer little or nothing, as the vendors the chumps are herded into using - usually pay.)
22:49 asciilifeform hanbot et al : what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of... << snore. i'm thoroughly unconvinced that anyone is having any sex that would not be being had otherwise without this proggy
22:50 mircea_popescu myeah. groupon being an effort to make this into a BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
22:50 mircea_popescu the sort that could "buy everything in russia"
22:50 asciilifeform that it might more efficiently manage a queueing of women in the city for processing by local mircea_popescu - possibly
22:51 mircea_popescu well that's the idea
22:51 asciilifeform but it's being sold to civilians, and, more particularly, men, and that's rather like pitching captive bolt guns as a product to cattle
22:51 asciilifeform 'be slaughtered by the latest in...'
22:52 mircea_popescu i thought it was being mostly sold to gals.
22:52 * asciilifeform has no idea, pontificating using anal rng
23:00 decimation asciilifeform: 'kernel space' < do you mean the shared memory api?
23:10 TheNewDeal didn't realize it, but apparently it's possible to declare a snow emergency in the euniched states and make it illegal for anyone other than police and medical personell to use the streets
23:10 decimation !up McNumpty
23:13 BingoBoingo That's a fucking tiny moon http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_upL2BKv--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/qjkzwgw6gytdeocsxxod.gif
23:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15Fmr3Y )
23:15 decimation rare actual reporting in us media: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/comcast-donations-help-company-secure-support-of-time-warner-cable-merger/ < "Both the Democratic Governors Association and Pennsylvania State Mayors’ Association pointed to Comcast’s Internet Essentials program that provides $10-per-month Internet access to low-income families. Comcast agreed to create the program in order to secure approval of its 2011
23:15 assbot Comcast donations help company secure support for Time Warner Cable merger | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/15FmVqT )
23:15 decimation acquisition of NBCUniversal."
23:18 asciilifeform decimation: there's no reason to actually set the system clock from bitcoind, on account of it being the only proggy on the box that needs absolute time.
23:19 asciilifeform decimation: comcast... internet essentials... $10-per-month << obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208
23:19 assbot Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/15FnWzm )
23:21 mats I'm disappointed that The Imitation Game didn't go with the murder theory
23:21 mats but overall 8/10
23:23 decimation asciilifeform: doesn't bitcoind occasionally need wallclock time for its orphan & 'peak' algorithms?
23:23 asciilifeform decimation: it - yes. but nothing else on the box.
23:24 TheNewDeal damn ascii, that was in 2010?
23:25 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: picture was drawn (not by me) even earlier.
23:26 asciilifeform iirc circa '07, at the latest
23:26 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal how about that! i knew katrina was a floor not a top.
23:26 decimation asciilifeform: I suppose just setting the clock based on the timestamp of the last block seen on bootup isn't such a bad idea
23:26 EPiSKiNG- woot
23:27 asciilifeform decimation: not the actual (kernel) clock. bitcoind's local delta (which does not presently exist, but must be added in)
23:28 decimation asciilifeform: how does bitcoind maintain a wallclock without the kernel's clock?
23:29 asciilifeform decimation: easy. delta from system clock.
23:29 decimation oh I see duh
23:31 decimation yeah that's much simpler than gluing ntp centrifugal governor on top :)
23:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00053169 = 19.9118 BTC [+] {2}
23:33 TheNewDeal Mircea are you referring to the hurricane?
23:34 decimation asciilifeform: re: $10-per-month-internet < yeah, except it's even more insideous - if you are the 'right kind of people', you get the deal, otherwise you get the full monopoly
23:35 TheNewDeal Somehow that flew over my head, not sure if it was because I'm thinking floor(x), ceiling(x)?
23:35 mircea_popescu hey there EPiSKiNG-
23:35 EPiSKiNG- howdy
23:35 EPiSKiNG- glad to be here
23:35 EPiSKiNG- :)
23:35 mircea_popescu hehe
23:36 decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
23:36 assbot Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15FsCVV )
23:37 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal yes i am.
23:37 mircea_popescu first time the bs "state owns the road" started afaik.
23:37 BingoBoingo lol http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/#comment-111747
23:37 assbot The strange case of the WoodCollector and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/15FsMwo )
23:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform usg still working on hardforking the internet, huh ?
23:39 mircea_popescu in other news, npt : http://33.media.tumblr.com/da4bd26592ced78f77038d8abe0e627b/tumblr_mom5a2IkFe1ra163eo4_250.gif
23:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15Ftaem )
23:39 mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/ac5cee9e293a95664a2b15f083ad7f8f/tumblr_mom5a2IkFe1ra163eo3_r1_500.gif
23:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15FteuE )
23:39 asciilifeform ^ lol!!
23:40 mod6 haha
23:43 asciilifeform usg still working on hardforking the internet << it can't ever stop, until dies. burned into its bios, or sumthinglikethat
23:45 decimation note that usg accomplishes bifurcating the internet without actually writing down any law
23:46 decimation 'they will do it if they know what's good for them'
23:46 asciilifeform much of the daily contact between usg and subjects has not the remotest thing to do with laws
23:46 asciilifeform microshit, for instance, is in every way - other than law - a ministry of usg
23:46 asciilifeform likewise the credit bureaus
23:47 asciilifeform and a hundred other organizations.
23:47 asciilifeform most, nominally 'private'
23:47 decimation they all exist under the heading of some usg fiat or another, mostly from fdr days
23:48 asciilifeform a somewhat arbitrary example - lexis nexis.
23:49 asciilifeform try practicing law (or even doing any serious legal/political scholarship) in usa without it.
23:50 decimation asciilifeform: not only that, lexis nexis (and like entities) even 'own' most legal codes in the us
23:50 decimation your local city or state pays them to publish
23:51 asciilifeform aha.
23:51 asciilifeform hence example.
23:51 mod6 We regret to inform you that your republic has termites.
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23:53 BingoBoingo afaik Westlaw/Lexis actually hire minions to go to the courthouses to pickup and scan paper records
23:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the "private", chris ballas had an excellent piece.
23:54 mircea_popescu "yes, it means you don't get a pension".
23:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, that one.
23:54 asciilifeform he was speaking of the ants, rather than the elephants, however.
23:54 mircea_popescu mod6 has it eh.
23:55 mircea_popescu but meanwhile, everyone's over at burning man http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_logy0eAolo1qc2yxpo1_500.jpg
23:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15FxiuI )
23:55 decimation I was talking with a guy who was in korea in the early 90's. at that time, you could easily find someone to custom tailor your entire wardrobe for a low $$ price. he recently returned there and found no one bothers with that anymore
23:56 decimation similarly, usg civil servants don't find much reason to bother with actual work, when coolies will do - often for free
23:56 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's not burning man, that is clearly the middle west.
23:57 mircea_popescu same thing.
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