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00:00 decimation not because the issue has been solved but merely because of a new arrangement in memory
00:00 asciilifeform external << worth pointing out that i did not build with 'period' libs.
00:01 decimation nevertheless, there is at least some chance that your experiment will reveal something interesting
00:05 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/potentially-catastrophic-bug-bites-all-versions-of-windows-patch-now/ << WinBleed
00:05 assbot Potentially catastrophic bug bites all versions of Windows. Patch now | Ars Technica
00:06 asciilifeform s/patch/exploit
00:07 BingoBoingo Refresh, someone found the old door, time for a new door
00:11 asciilifeform someone << ru
00:18 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> if yes, mark as good with git bisect <<< interesting approach.
00:19 mircea_popescu <decimation> ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? << this is undoubtedly the case for at least some wedgings
00:20 mircea_popescu but anyway, the plan is promising because it engenders familiarity with the damned thing.
00:20 * asciilifeform far more familiar than wanted to be
00:21 mircea_popescu "A failure to properly filter specially formed packets makes it possible for attackers to execute attack code of their choosing by sending malicious traffic to a Windows-based server." << sounds like windows had a replica of heartbleed.
00:22 asciilifeform arbitrary remote code exec
00:22 mircea_popescu either they stole openssh code (unlikely) or the thing was actually usg-mandated (which in some interpretations is one step above what we already knew, ie sponsored)
00:22 asciilifeform not necessarily 'replica' of anything
00:22 ben_vulpes http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000008.html
00:22 asciilifeform microshit is the ultimate execution of 'plausibly deniable' usg mandate.
00:23 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: neato.
00:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform to my eyes it reads like, "this is what they wanted", "openssh is the best implementation of it they managed to get before the whole thing got shot in the head"
00:23 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: congratulate the author
00:23 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you may find that my patches rely on one another
00:24 asciilifeform ('patch' util is dumb as a rock)
00:24 mircea_popescu "Microsoft's advisory said there are no mitigating factors and no workarounds for the bug."
00:24 asciilifeform (re: 'compile with posted patches individually' idea)
00:24 mircea_popescu the exact definition of "notabug"
00:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they almost always print 'no mitigating factors' (as in, must install update or die)
00:25 mircea_popescu good for 'em.
00:25 asciilifeform incidentally, some folks may wonder why microshit even bothers to announce pwnholes
00:26 asciilifeform answer is, in many cases, they don't (often people reverse engineer them from recent patches)
00:26 asciilifeform and when they do, part of the reason is to goad lusers to force-update
00:26 asciilifeform so they can develop new orifices.
00:26 decimation 'the (upgrade) bell tolls for thee'
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00:51 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/chris-popple-of-rbs-in-regards-to-bitcoin-were-definitely-interested-in-it/
00:57 mircea_popescu lol bankers saying things
01:04 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
01:04 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.0, vol: 11750.93845470 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 379.454, vol: 9041.59829 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.32, vol: 21072.94259007 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 379.7664, vol: 126158.41850000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.99, vol: 3.08140637 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 373.1221, vol: 76.77593578 | Volume-weighted last average: 380.152910076
01:04 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
01:04 gribble Current Blocks: 329647 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 976 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40021602789.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.0553
01:04 BingoBoingo ;;nethash
01:04 gribble 277659570.962
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01:25 ben_vulpes is there any interest in sharing a pre-wedge blockchain built by 0.5.3 around?
01:26 ben_vulpes interest, value...
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02:35 cazalla mircea_popescu: yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session
02:42 jurov lol cazalla
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03:47 jurov <mircea_popescu> [20141112 05:22] either they stole openssh code (unlikely) << not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it.
03:49 jurov ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format?
03:49 jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html should spring into life when they are received
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06:45 BingoBoingo https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki
06:45 assbot bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub
06:51 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/internet-service-providers-stripping-starttls-flag/
06:51 assbot Internet Service Providers Stripping STARTTLS Flag | Qntra.net
06:58 cazalla gee, you're up early/late BingoBoingo
06:59 BingoBoingo Learly.
07:10 cazalla scoopbot once again will not get the scoop
07:10 cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/peter-vessenes-half-a-billion-dollars-to-be-spent-on-asics-over-18-months/
07:10 assbot Peter Vessenes: Half A Billion Dollars To Be Spent On ASICs Over 18 Months | Qntra.net
07:11 jurov "defunct Bitcoin Foundation" hah
07:12 jurov cazalla i had to rerad it several times
07:12 jurov reread
07:12 cazalla i've had a few drinks but what is wrong with it
07:12 jurov first i was wtf, vessesnes is speaking in the nme of samsung?
07:13 cazalla well why not? he speaks in the name of bitcoin
07:13 jurov then wtf, no, ne is representing $1B investors?
07:14 jurov and then "oh he's just yapping alone"
07:14 cazalla it's what he said
07:14 jurov what she said.
07:14 cazalla "Much of the money will go directly to foundries with the highest technology in the world, including Samsung, Intel and TSMC"
07:16 cazalla maybe i need another beer for clarity
07:16 cazalla i'm sure it will make sense then
07:16 jurov whatever
07:17 jurov i read the source, too and this chuckleworthy info was snuck in the end:
07:17 jurov The Bitcoin Foundation is in discussions with Korean firms and financial authorities about setting up a Bitcoin foundation in Korea.
07:19 cazalla jurov, do you think the qntra article is bad?
07:21 jurov it's just copied from source
07:21 cazalla well, not much else one can add with something like that, his talk isn't online so difficult to know what else he said
07:21 jurov the source continues "Samsung is one of a few chipmakers capable of producing 10-nonometer(sic!)-class chips."
07:21 jurov which clarifies things
07:22 jurov why he singled out samsung
07:23 jurov i don't think it's bad, just..idk, maybe someone else can pinpoint it better
07:23 cazalla i'll re-read tmw when sober
07:25 jurov dunno what is with all the drinking in this chan
07:25 jurov at home i'm okay with just a glass of beer or wine
07:26 jurov and when not at home, i dont publish stuff :)
07:27 cazalla well i suffer from this problem that i have 1, which is good, so 2 must be great, 3 is awesome and that's that
07:27 cazalla it's my pain medicine as well
07:27 cazalla medicinal alcohol
07:28 jurov lol "medicinal alcohol" is 90% stuff :DDD
07:28 jurov but yea i see what you mean
07:29 BingoBoingo It's better than getting arrested in Silk Road scam
07:31 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nixon-tries-to-reassure-public-as-people-prepare-for-the/article_0208b781-ee94-5a1e-8c62-af5e894acf6a.html
07:31 assbot Nixon tries to reassure public, as people prepare for the worst : News
07:34 cazalla BingoBoingo, think it'll be bad? they only smashed a few things after zimmerman was found not guilty
07:34 BingoBoingo Zimmerman was also a Hispanic Jew so also kind of on the minority spectrum, also not a police officer.
07:46 BingoBoingo https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/08/29/professors-robots-protest-u-iowas-pink-locker-room
07:46 assbot Professors, robots protest U. of Iowa's pink locker room @insidehighered
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08:30 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=850128.0 << Forum Drama
08:30 assbot Apologies to anyone who read my posts last night!
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09:03 BingoBoingo Oh, systemd documented ruining people's days in the wild http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592
09:03 assbot oss-sec: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning
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09:44 chetty hahahaha I just saw what has to be the funniest traffic snarl ever. The train barrier on one side is stuck and cars/busses/trucks backed up as far as the eye can see. But its a one way street and the other side is wide open, nothing stoppping people just drive to the left ...
09:44 BingoBoingo Nice
09:46 chetty people really are sheeps
09:59 TomServo ;;isitdown qntra.net
09:59 gribble qntra.net is up
10:00 mike_c down for me
10:01 TomServo same here
10:03 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: interest, value... << the problem with using op's blockchain is that you're basically trusting the op
10:03 mircea_popescu not so unlike sharing privkeys from a purely bitcoin perspective
10:04 mircea_popescu cazalla: mircea_popescu: nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session << well yeah, i kinda fucked up there didn't i.
10:04 mircea_popescu the idea isn't that jacking off is less of an intellectual activity than learning chemistry or reading nabokov, so we pile on it.
10:05 mircea_popescu the idea was that the young and stupid are readily satisfied by the current model, on account of their vast ignorance. but nobody else is.
10:09 mircea_popescu jurov: not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it. << yeah openssl. not a question of under bsd or not, idea was more like : the proof that USG.HB was a thing, that was then implemented as openssl.HB is the fact that looky, a Win.HB apparently exists(ed). like, if you find a goat on a field you may think you've both discovered and invented the goat. but if you then later find anothe
10:09 mircea_popescu r goat, you may now believe you discovered 'em, but they are being produced somewhere else and were invented by someone else.
10:10 mircea_popescu this distinction is exactly the distinction between a bug with security implications and a deliberate security hole : they are both security holes. the finder of the bug both discovers and invents that security hole.
10:10 mircea_popescu the finder of the deliberate thing however merely discovers it. someone else invented it.
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10:54 nubbins` <+chetty> people really are sheeps <<< occasionally when i'm in an elevator alone and it stops to let more people on, i face the back of the car to see if others will follow suit
10:54 nubbins` works about 20% of the time
10:55 asciilifeform my favourite 'sheep experiment' is at a place not far from where i live, where one can rent 'sea bicycles' - little boats that one can pedal around. usually folks cluster together, for no good reason. pedal to an empty part of the water, and dozens follow...
10:56 mircea_popescu lol
10:56 mircea_popescu i hear that's how serial killers get started
10:56 asciilifeform it had no practical consequence, but blew my mind when i discovered it many years ago.
10:56 mircea_popescu !up saifedean
10:57 mircea_popescu no scoopbot, no peterl... wha happened here!
10:57 mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl seems teh code didn't werk.
10:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:58 saifedean "so the paleo fad diet experts among us" Fad? Humans have been eating paleo from before they were humans. Grains, seeds, and sugars are the passing fad, it's only been 10,000 years or so, and it won't be much longer...
10:59 mircea_popescu now listen here. the fact that the turks have worn salvari for x centuries does not mean a suburban kid showing up for some school function in silken longpants isn't following a fad.
10:59 mircea_popescu you are not a prehistoric man. you will never be one.
11:00 saifedean But you will become healthier, stronger, smarter and happier eating like one, rather than grinding your brain to find excuses for why you shouldn't!
11:00 * asciilifeform can't wait to see folks follow the 'logical' paleo conclusion, and climb back into the trees
11:01 mike_c which part of the paleo religion demands proselytization?
11:01 saifedean "what the fuck do you do about sushi ?" You Sashimi. Really, sushi is just poor people sashimi, to get bloated with cheap grain. Sashimi is the real deal.
11:01 asciilifeform mike_c: the part when you're high out of your mind on placebocin
11:01 mike_c placebocin is the best drugz
11:02 mircea_popescu saifedean you'll generally find poor people foods are better than "rich people" foods.
11:02 mircea_popescu pork an' beans ftw.
11:02 saifedean also, beans, lentils, and grains are frowned upon in the Paleo Cult. Our lord and saviour Art De Vany would smite you.
11:02 mike_c pork & rice & beans even better
11:02 mircea_popescu srsly, that's your idea, instead of a nice pot of beans cooked with a smoked leg over a day and a night
11:02 mircea_popescu you want to just eat the leg ?
11:03 mircea_popescu mike_c i dun care for rice in that one, but hey, matter of ethnocentric taste.
11:03 mircea_popescu ;;ud art de vany
11:03 gribble http://ro.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vany%20Vicious | Tattoo Artist and Model from Miami,FL. ... Vany Vicious is a hardcore bitch. ... de TatooLoverYEah 10 Ianuarie 2012 adaugă un clip video adaugă o imagine.
11:03 asciilifeform dietary cargo cults are mega-lulz.
11:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's the most humorous use of "cargo cult" i ever saw,
11:04 mircea_popescu and way the fuck beyond what i imagined posible.
11:04 punkman check out the leaderboard http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/trusted
11:04 assbot Trusted keys | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
11:04 mircea_popescu technically, yes, immitating the trapings of paleopeople to get chimp muscular arrangements ? that's an evolutionary choice already made for us, 500k years ago or so.
11:05 mircea_popescu punkman how's teh rating work ?
11:05 punkman l1+l2 of assbot
11:05 mircea_popescu lol mk.
11:05 * asciilifeform wonders how often taleb-like figures wander into 'paleo' cult strange, after they really felt stronger - but not from eating raw antelope, but from the real win of being set free from workschwitz - that being, sleeping ad libitum.
11:06 mircea_popescu scalar sums of graphs still broken.
11:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, i just did that ?
11:06 mircea_popescu it feels fine.
11:08 nubbins` fad diets are a pretty good lel
11:08 mircea_popescu as far as that goes, there's way worse ones than "stop eating all that refined sugar and chill it with the starch too"
11:09 nubbins` p just started keeping track of calories in/out and balancing carbs/protein/fat
11:09 nubbins` it's been less than a year, she can deadlift her own body weight and has dropped ~30lbs :0
11:10 nubbins` i keep saying i won't be impressed til she can deadlift me, but secretly... ;p
11:11 mircea_popescu who the fuck can't lift their own body weight
11:11 mircea_popescu isn't that esentially what a chinup is ?
11:12 * nubbins` thinks
11:12 nubbins` there's like 6 different types of chinups, all work different muscle sets
11:12 mircea_popescu but the point still remains, you are lifting your own weight
11:12 nubbins` you're pulling the ceiling down, vs lifting something heavy up
11:13 mircea_popescu i guess, but you're left picking for straws here.
11:13 mircea_popescu !up saifedean
11:13 nubbins` i'd wager maybe three people in here can do a single chin-up
11:13 mircea_popescu i thought you got all buthurt and pankake'd out on us, mr paleo man.
11:13 mircea_popescu nubbins` i can do ten.
11:14 saifedean heh... my butt is hurtproof, my internet connection, though
11:14 nubbins` well i guess you can loan out a few to the rest of us
11:14 nubbins` :P
11:14 nubbins` anyway, try deadlifting your own weight on a barbell some time
11:14 saifedean I was saying... pork is the shittiest of meats, as pigs eat shit. Beans are crap. fish is the food of kings... as for land food, lamb is the best, followed by beef, goat, chicken, everything else, then pork.
11:14 nubbins` and LMK how it goes.
11:14 nubbins` saifedean pork is delicious and cheap
11:14 nubbins` beef is the bottom of my list
11:14 mircea_popescu incidentally, is saifedean like the first noob ever that gets away with the sort of nutty forced ideas veterans usually display here ?
11:15 nubbins` i think vex earned that crown
11:15 saifedean though a swedish friend tells me reindeer meat is the best of all
11:15 nubbins` i'd love to try reindeer
11:15 mircea_popescu human is the best of all!
11:15 nubbins` i'd try grass-fed human
11:15 nubbins` avg sack of shit would prolly poison you
11:16 mircea_popescu nubbins` i wouldn't do that because i dun have the techniques and am tall. prolly spring my back / give myself a hernia.
11:16 nubbins` well i guess it's not the same thing at all then, is it :D
11:16 * ben_vulpes gasps
11:16 mircea_popescu but technique is not what i thought we were discussing here.
11:16 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i'd never suggest sharing a blockchain for use anger!
11:16 ben_vulpes *in
11:16 nubbins` if we're trying to equate chinups with deadlifts, technique is precisely what we're discussing
11:17 mircea_popescu i thought you were all in awe of the woman's sheer muscular power
11:17 mircea_popescu i didn't realise you were implying that by counting calories she has gained the magical wisdowm of lifting shit
11:17 saifedean The Art de Vany I mentioned is not the one that Urban dictionary turned up, it is this man: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/
11:17 assbot Art De Vany on Line - Results
11:18 mircea_popescu can it be art vandalay ?
11:18 saifedean 77 years old and could kick the collective ass of everyone on this forum
11:18 mircea_popescu uh.
11:18 nubbins` (a) in awe, yep (b) not even close
11:18 nubbins` by lifting shit she gained the magical wisdom
11:18 nubbins` by eating like a normal person and not "paleo" (wtf!) she lost weight
11:19 mircea_popescu saifedean if i add mah assassin cult to nubbins`'s here powerlifter chick, art vandalay guy is in a world of trouble.
11:19 nubbins` but since we all know exercise and diet are linked, things sorta got jumbled together
11:19 ben_vulpes i weary of this paleo proselytism
11:19 mircea_popescu that's because you're not eating right
11:19 mircea_popescu them wheats talking outta ya.
11:19 nubbins` yeah dude
11:20 nubbins` if god wanted you to eat cooked meat, he woulda installed a furnace in your throat
11:20 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14KC96M.txt )
11:20 mircea_popescu !b 1
11:20 nubbins` er wait did paleo man have fire?
11:20 mircea_popescu sources disagree.
11:20 ben_vulpes reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi
11:20 nubbins` did he have beef, pork, and chicken?
11:20 saifedean hmmm.. de vany is a friend of taleb, we should invite the two of them here and have them chill with your assassin cult
11:20 mircea_popescu nubbins` mostly squirrel.
11:20 nubbins` ah
11:20 ben_vulpes new meaning to "spamgun"
11:21 nubbins` so really, a paleo diet is raw squirrel meat, berries, occasional leaves for roughage
11:21 nubbins` sounds totally healthy and easy for modern man to adapt to
11:21 nubbins` i can see why it's popular
11:21 mircea_popescu anyway, re pork eats shit etc : the evidence is quite clear that humans and hyenas were mostly commensal.
11:21 mircea_popescu humans ate principally carcass.
11:22 mircea_popescu they also lived in the same caves, alternating each other, depending on which group had stronger pups that decade.
11:22 nubbins` paleo timeshares
11:23 saifedean nubbins, you have no idea how many times i have heard these non-sequiturs of arguments. briefly, no, you do NOT need to emulate a caveman's life to down to its little details. The idea is to eliminate from your diet as much as possibel all the things that are relatively recent additions to our diet, to which our bodies have not adjusted very well, and which are proven to cause most of our modern illnesses. it fucking works
11:23 nubbins` "cmon broud, my kid has diarrhea from eating beef, let us take the cave tonight"
11:23 mircea_popescu nubbins` nah, more like, mary jane and anne were good sluts this year, had 7 kids, 5 years later the hyenas are fucked 3 to 1.
11:24 nubbins` saifedean see the thing is, you're treating "our bodies" as a homogenous group, when nothing could be further form the truth
11:24 nubbins` *from
11:24 mircea_popescu saifedean but you understand why when one proposes action on the basis of a theory, critical examination involves reviewing what would happen if that theory were applied by someone else than the proponent.
11:24 nubbins` "our" bodies adjust to shit all the time
11:24 nubbins` case in point: lactose
11:24 mircea_popescu otherwise you ACTUALLY get a cult. "thios is the law and only i may know what it says"
11:25 nubbins` you know there was a time when cheese would make any human who consumed it ill?
11:25 saifedean nubbins no, i'm not. you're the one who is setting up charicatures of arguments for you to tear them down. i don't give two shits what you eat, you don't have to convince me. You should be trying to challenge yourself to understand what I'm saying it, or ignoring it. That you dismiss it like that is silly
11:25 nubbins` and thye kept doing it and now i can eat pizza with impunity?
11:26 nubbins` saifedean i literally do not have enough spare eyes to roll the appropriate amount in your direction
11:26 mircea_popescu saifedean most of the negative reaction comes from the very marketing heavy approach. "you should challenge yourself" ? dude, this is the lordship here. you think anyone gives a shit about such puny attempts ?
11:26 * nubbins` challenges himself to eliminate sourdough from diet
11:26 nubbins` wait, that's retarded. no i don't.
11:26 mircea_popescu but it'd be a challenge! and you're like, a 15 yo male.
11:27 nubbins` haha
11:27 nubbins` once upon a time
11:27 saifedean mp, yes, sure, hence, asking questions about things makes sense. dismissing them with half-baked arguments is time-wasting.
11:27 mircea_popescu see, THAT's why you're fat nubbins.
11:27 nubbins` i think i'm fat because i lead a sedentary lifestyle
11:27 nubbins` but hey, tall skinny guys get pushed around
11:27 mircea_popescu saifedean what's being dismissed anyway ? far as i can see, the part where "eat less sugar and starch, it'll be good for you" is univerally accepted. the rest, nobody has any use for.
11:28 nubbins` ^
11:28 mircea_popescu nubbins` no they don't.
11:29 saifedean that's a good start, but you need to also eat lots of animal fat, which is absolutely very good for you.. and you need to view doing carbs like an addiction, not a healthy food.
11:29 ben_vulpes o.O
11:29 nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzSjiDDtlIE
11:29 assbot Trailer Park Boys - Smokes, Let's Go - YouTube
11:30 mircea_popescu i bought i dunno, 100 or so pairs of underwear about a decade ago. got the same things i always got ever since i was a kid. eventually they run out and holy shit has the underwear business gone nuts in the meanwhile. what the fuck are all these things even!
11:30 * nubbins` gazes at meat grinder, fridge full of shoulder, lack of potatoes in cupboard
11:30 nubbins` tell me more about how to be healthy
11:30 saifedean finally, "speaking of which, do paleo guys also fuck paleo ?" < Absolutely, once you've tried a carbs-free girl, you'll never go back!
11:31 nubbins` carbs-free :0
11:31 mircea_popescu lmao
11:31 mircea_popescu that is quite not what i meant.
11:31 mircea_popescu your analogy is broken, you don't eat 150k year old meat, so you don't eat paleo in THAT sense.
11:31 ben_vulpes dafuq is trailer park boys
11:31 mircea_popescu what i meant is, do you fuck like a paleo guy, if you try to eat like one.
11:32 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes sounds like a band of twinks.
11:32 saifedean you should never fuck vegetarians. your should eat vegetarians.
11:32 nubbins` mircea_popescu acetone-breath from ketogenic diet? i'd say he does.
11:32 nubbins` ben_vulpes canadian television, it's uh, a thing
11:32 mircea_popescu lol knock em out, fuck 'em raw
11:33 mircea_popescu for maximum trollage points, that pua "executive executant" derp should rebrand his nonsense as paleo dating
11:33 nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQc-ldoX3yI
11:33 assbot My 10 Favorite Trailer Park Boys Moments - YouTube
11:33 mircea_popescu now THAT'd be true scandal. hollyday derp has nfi how to "strategize", you don't attack large submissive groups like women. you attack small but desperate groups.
11:34 mircea_popescu jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format? <<< for shame, you lot.
11:34 saifedean well, my personal experience is that it does make a big difference to one's sex life... it raises testosterone levels beyond what is considered 'normal' levels today
11:34 mircea_popescu what sort of a standardisation group is this!
11:34 mircea_popescu saifedean so you get to work harder for the same cunt ?
11:35 saifedean no, you get to do more for your cock
11:36 mircea_popescu so at what point in the paleo diet do you start keeping two chicks around the house ?
11:36 saifedean that's a prerequisite for going paleo
11:37 ben_vulpes blue dollar's been dropping?
11:37 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes oh it was a riot, the government raped the (apparently very flimsy) black market ops.
11:37 mircea_popescu it cut the printing short for like a week, and then launched some gossip that "it paid the debt"
11:38 mircea_popescu dollar took a nosedive to like 11s, almost what it was in spring.
11:38 mircea_popescu back to 13 now tho.
11:38 ben_vulpes more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh
11:39 mircea_popescu well, i think they just try to work on very short reserves
11:39 mircea_popescu and even shorter experience.
11:39 mircea_popescu most of the people i saw involved are either kids or else native spanish speakers. neither of these makes for very good basis in thought.
11:40 nubbins` pero... pero...
11:40 mircea_popescu pero perro.
11:41 nubbins` :D
11:41 nubbins` perro por favor!
11:43 mircea_popescu and in today's funny spanish por gringos : one way to say butt in spanish is... tonel. literally, tun.
11:43 ben_vulpes "tu tonel pesa un tonel"?
11:43 ben_vulpes uno
11:44 mircea_popescu i think it's a volume measure.
11:44 BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQx1Urpcyfw
11:44 assbot Ultimate Sex Underwear Ballbra and UnderwearPockets on CBC Dragons Den s4 e.10 - YouTube
11:44 ben_vulpes as in mash tun?
11:45 mircea_popescu as in 8 barrels.
11:45 mircea_popescu (to be fair, in english the butt is a half tun anyway)
11:45 ben_vulpes ha
11:45 nubbins` dem weights & measures
11:46 nubbins` my old man wrote a book once
11:47 nubbins` i suppose the tun and the butt are in it
12:00 mircea_popescu ;;later tell vexual http://trilema.com/2014/venetian-republic-and-find-spiritual-music/ there, just for you.
12:00 assbot Venetian Republic and Find spiritual music. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:00 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:14 mircea_popescu http://www.artdevanyonline.com/uploads/3/1/1/9/3119807/header_images/1392752910.jpg << what the shit is going on in the 4th image ?!
12:18 mircea_popescu http://arthurdevany.com/case-experience.html "Estimated the delay to the production of “Once Upon A Wedding” caused by food poisoning of the cast and crew."
12:18 assbot Case Experience - Arthur De Vany Consulting
12:19 mircea_popescu "On behalf of Universal Studios, The project was to examine and estimate the impact of piracy on box-office revenues for Universal’s 2003 release of the motion picture The Hulk. Modeled the dynamics of box office revenue and its relation to the number of sites and downloads of a pirated copy."
12:19 mircea_popescu this guy's made a career out of numberology.
12:20 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/
12:20 assbot Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
12:20 mircea_popescu wd. what gave it away ?
12:20 BingoBoingo First blockquote
12:20 mircea_popescu more power to ya. addy ?
12:22 BingoBoingo 1EJdNnzH9TaryxhS9Wg2VnSUqKHZgiJgx4
12:22 mircea_popescu http://www.artdevanyonline.com/1/post/2013/09/statins-and-exercise.html << incidentally, this is an excellent point.
12:22 assbot Statins and Exercise - Art De Vany on Line
12:23 mircea_popescu more generally : the pharma industry, which works essentially on the "let's make random molecules and then see what happens" coupled with the fda pseudoverification theatre has managed to produce a lengthy list of very slow acting poisons.
12:23 mircea_popescu basically stuff is selected for that "does no harm" in a particularly short sighted definition of "no".
12:24 mircea_popescu i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence.
12:25 BingoBoingo Well, that's why a family of drugs gets popular all at once and then it falls out of fashion when the long term side effects get noticed only to be replace with something that trades out the last generation's deteriment for another.
12:25 mircea_popescu much like the mismanaged airlines of the early xxist century managed to lose AL THE MONEY ever made through flying since the invention of flight,
12:25 mircea_popescu the idiotic us/eu pharma conglomerates have managed to outweigh all the benefit of opening trade sectrets (discussed coupla weeks ago here)
12:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in particular statins are an excellent example of this insanity.
12:26 mircea_popescu "want to destroy your kidneys over 3 or so decades while curing yourself from something that's allegedly bad ? pay us 1k a year!"
12:26 BingoBoingo Well cholesterol controlling medication has gone through this for a few generations already.
12:26 mircea_popescu exactly.
12:27 mircea_popescu i mean, it's just a replay of the "we have all this fluoridated sludge from aluminum processing and other industrial processes, getting rid of it is expensive, how about getting the city to pay us to add it to the water ?"
12:27 mircea_popescu except, on a more subtle, thus more pernicious level.
12:28 mircea_popescu people that derp about "bitcoin changing the world" have very little idea of the changes incumbent. it's things like these. mp will never permit the pharma "economic growth engine", as a for instance.
12:28 mircea_popescu that's a third of the us economy, and about 30% of the eu.
12:30 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. << stealing this
12:31 mircea_popescu go right ahead.
12:32 BingoBoingo I mean there's the rare, almost unambiguously good drug introductions. Penicillin, Cisplatin, methotraxate, Viagra, thorazine, monoclonal antibodies
12:33 mircea_popescu tadalafil etc may be too soon to know.
12:34 mircea_popescu im pretty sure methotrexate is not on that list.
12:34 BingoBoingo tadalafil one of the copycats. I'm talking Sildenafil, the original, which important because the the previous option is caverject.
12:34 mircea_popescu even so.
12:35 BingoBoingo The thing about the listed drugs is non of them except maybe thorazine is intended to be taken until "natural death"
12:35 mircea_popescu this is a good objection
12:35 mircea_popescu i mean, sulpha drugs are great
12:36 mircea_popescu the notion of taking a pill a day for the rest of your life however ...
12:36 mircea_popescu but perhaps that may be divorced from the ensemble, it's just dumb marketing.
12:38 BingoBoingo Cisplatin and Methotrexate make the list because maybe they clear a cancer, maybe they don't. Those are the two biggish oncology discoveries though...
12:38 mircea_popescu anyway, off to eat. later all!
12:49 TomServo ;;bc,stats
12:49 gribble Current Blocks: 329716 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 907 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39944661549.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.86102
12:50 TomServo ;;ticker
12:50 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.1, Best ask: 420.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 420.1, 24 hour volume: 28154.26058302, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 421.13, 24 hour vwap: 392.399632228
12:50 TomServo Quite the ramp today. Surprised ThickAsTheives isn't around for all this action.
12:53 BingoBoingo Yeah
12:55 BingoBoingo Prices swing usually bring TaT out. I think this is the dark market bust bump
13:01 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
13:01 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 434.13, Best ask: 434.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 434.13, 24 hour volume: 29965.14739803, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681
13:01 ben_vulpes dang lookit her go
13:02 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
13:03 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.35, Best ask: 432.06, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 432.05, 24 hour volume: 30185.42680255, 24 hour low: 364.18, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 394.803918681
13:04 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-prices-cross-430/
13:04 assbot Bitcoin Prices Cross $430 | Qntra.net
13:04 punkman no more cheap coins
13:07 BingoBoingo Wat, I just earned 0.1 BTC for reading Trilema, Vexual edition.
13:07 gernika !s TaT
13:07 assbot 1220 results for 'TaT' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=TaT
13:20 thestringpuller where is scoopbot
13:20 thestringpuller scoopbot don't got the scoop?
13:21 BingoBoingo The scoopbot always on patch seems to need work
13:22 punkman maybe I should setup RSS plugin for notarybot
13:27 thestringpuller notarybot is merging with scoopbot?
13:29 punkman probably not
13:29 punkman notary, status
13:29 notary punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 1 day, 12 hours, and 28 minutes ago
13:29 punkman I like typing that
13:32 thestringpuller notary, make sandwich
13:36 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2CDPKSX.txt )
13:36 danielpbarron !b 4
13:39 BingoBoingo notary, echo ;;ticker
13:45 BingoBoingo Debian lulz https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00144.html
13:45 assbot Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling]
13:46 BingoBoingo !up saifedean
13:48 saifedean thanks for the voice bingoboingo
13:49 BingoBoingo You're welcome
13:50 thestringpuller https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded
13:58 saifedean What do you good folk make of the Winkelvoss twins' foray into bitcoin?
14:00 thestringpuller they were late to facebook and are now late to bitcoin (even thought they bought a ton early on)
14:00 thestringpuller they seem to be late to parties a lot too
14:01 nubbins` winkdex is best dex
14:01 nubbins` can't trust them jaws tho
14:04 nubbins` two days ago i realized i'd been waiting a month and a half for 18 unfiltered uv tubes from acklands-grainger
14:04 nubbins` "fuck those assholes, i'm buying from somewhere else"
14:04 nubbins` today i get an email saying my bulbs have arrived :0
14:06 asciilifeform jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404
14:09 thestringpuller good 'ol hanbot
14:10 nubbins` neither that good nor that old
14:11 thestringpuller she is the evil twin
14:11 hanbot howdy
14:11 hanbot nubbins wanna see my complaint dept? :D
14:14 thestringpuller i would assume that is just a box that leads to a shredder
14:17 nubbins` ;;google teeth (2007)
14:17 gribble Teeth (2007) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780622/>; Teeth (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeth_(film)>; Teeth (2007) - Movie Trailer - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-qd-k0Vg7s>
14:18 hanbot nah, gotta have souring agents to make good pickles
14:18 * nubbins` guffaws
14:19 nubbins` was it you who wrote that short story about the pgp murder-suicide?
14:20 hanbot http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ << that? yeah.
14:20 assbot Shall be Delivered | The Whet
14:21 asciilifeform 'shall be delivered' << imho the single most educational piece of crypto-related fiction ever written.
14:21 asciilifeform belongs on the mandatory reading list for cultured people of the future, right next to 'the cold equations'
14:23 hanbot ha! color me flattered
14:24 hanbot mp oughta be goaded into making moar writing contests, they're fun
14:25 thestringpuller It is national novel writing month
14:26 asciilifeform that tale carries much of the blame for luring me into this den of vice.
14:27 hanbot a far worthier prize then than that 5 btc!
14:28 asciilifeform l0l
14:29 thestringpuller the end of the story reminds me of scene from rashomon
14:35 nubbins` nanowrimo
14:36 thestringpuller ^- yup.
~ 23 minutes ~
14:59 asciilifeform http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/fall2013/cmsc417/public/assignments/project_bitCoin.pdf << lol. 'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework assignment.'
15:02 mircea_popescu lol
15:10 mircea_popescu assbot:
15:10 mircea_popescu Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] << bwhahaha
15:15 mircea_popescu anyway, news at 11. it's not just bitcoin the shitgnomes are after, but the entire stack of software guaranteeing a free world.
15:16 mircea_popescu therein included, stuff that merely promises the possibility of it, such as debian.
15:16 asciilifeform news at 11 is exactly right. this has been going on for a long, long time, have to be blind not to see
15:16 mircea_popescu leaving aside that nobody i ever knew was seriously using the newer debian releases anyway for any purpose, you';d have to be fucking insane to think the way this goes is, we kill their heartbleed and they sit and wait.
15:17 mircea_popescu what happened here is exactly the equivalent of, "sniper got obama between the eyes with a shitbullet, while on conference with the security staff"
15:17 mircea_popescu or, for that matter, the world trade center bombing.
15:17 mircea_popescu the only thing the bureaucracy knows how to do, and can in fact do, is in the words of V,
15:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: also must understand the 'good cop / bad cop' dynamic here. the buggers lure folks to their sugary 'imponade' (see naggum) by, among other things, sabotaging the rest of the universe
15:18 mircea_popescu how did that go exactly,
15:18 mircea_popescu Sutler: My fellow Englishmen: tonight our country, that which we stand for, and all we hold dear, faces a grave and terrible threat. This violent and unparalleled assault on our security will not go undefended... or unpunished. Our enemy is an insidious one, seeking to divide us and destroy the very foundation of our great nation. Tonight, we must remain steadfast. We must remain determined. But most of all, we must re
15:18 mircea_popescu main united. Those caught tonight in violation of curfew will be considered in league with our enemy and prosecuted as a terrorist without leniency or exception. Tonight, I give you my most solemn vow: that justice will be swift, it will be righteous, and it will be without mercy.
15:18 mircea_popescu there we go.
15:18 mircea_popescu now, if it actually also worked, it may count for something. it doesn't work, so i guess it's good for lulz.
15:19 asciilifeform lol! i actually saw that film for the first time a few days ago.
15:19 mircea_popescu it's a pretty good filn.
15:19 mircea_popescu so yeah, whatever, im so thoroughly impressed with the oh-so-almighty hb headshot response bitcoin went all the way up to 420
15:20 asciilifeform waterfall's being recharged as we speak.
15:20 thestringpuller well waterfall no longer has use
15:20 mircea_popescu nobody ever won a war by being stupid.
15:21 asciilifeform all the 'sr2' et. al. schmucks are grunting in the cellars, confessing keys.
15:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it wasn't all that big.
15:21 mircea_popescu it sounds impressive, but once the dust settled it became obvious what they got was something that everyone thought a scam and a cvouple of tiny ops
15:21 mircea_popescu the two major marketplaces were unaffected
15:21 mircea_popescu at least so teh intel tells me.
15:22 mircea_popescu actual total loot, <2k.
15:22 thestringpuller lol you have a spy ring now nao?
15:22 asciilifeform 2k << enough for small planetoid.
15:22 mircea_popescu thestringpuller i have had a spyring from before satoshi had a clue on c
15:23 thestringpuller tinker tailor soldier spy!
15:25 mircea_popescu thestringpuller:
15:25 mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded << basically, they know they won't get away witrh a hard fork, trying to dissolve the "gavin is making a hardfork" issue into a seemingly better "everyone wants a hardfork, gavin's is just the one that emerged from the democratic hardforking process"
15:25 assbot optimists comments on Peter Todd's CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY Means Bitcoin Escrow, Refunds and a Fork
15:25 mircea_popescu which i suppose is long enough an intricacy that the retards won't be able to follow it.
15:25 mircea_popescu the problem with this entire usg strat is that bitcoin never was and likely never will be for the retards.
15:26 asciilifeform everyone wants... gavin's is just the one that emerged << precisely same verbiage as the pro-poettering useful idiots. vox derpuli, vox dei!
15:26 mircea_popescu what they get or don't get is not material here. i understand that it's hard for politicos to look past pretty much their only asset, skill and ability, the herd.
15:26 mircea_popescu nevertheless...
15:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform right./
15:26 thestringpuller so this is all plan to get away with hard fork in future?
15:27 mircea_popescu it's "political groundwork" or w/e you call it.
15:27 mircea_popescu basically, feminism for code.
15:28 mircea_popescu anyway, they want a hardfork or five hundred, they can get it any time they feel ready.
15:28 mircea_popescu but let it be clear that if we get that far i will paying for abducted and gangraped usg politico daughters, and putting the videos online.
15:29 thestringpuller i would assume no less. it would seem though that in the future commandment 1 of bitcoin would be:
15:29 mircea_popescu ex-powerful, now irrelevant duke derping around the corners of the new order, whining pathetic is one thing. raising actual banners to, that's beheading.
15:29 thestringpuller "Thou shalt not hardfork"
15:31 mircea_popescu in case this wasn't entirely clear : the foregoing has little to do with todd personally.
15:31 mircea_popescu at issue is the gavinesque/redditarded interpretation of what's being proposed, especially in the "how to implement" side.
15:31 thestringpuller he does seem too "dull" to have his own agenda.
15:33 thestringpuller i just find it fascinating that the percent of redditards against any hard fork is going up by a lot.
15:33 mircea_popescu -/** Threshold for nLockTime: below this value it is interpreted as block number, otherwise as UNIX timestamp. */
15:33 mircea_popescu 67-static const unsigned int LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD = 500000000; // Tue Nov 5 00:53:20 1985 UTC
15:33 mircea_popescu random lulz.
15:33 mircea_popescu because magic numbers and stuff.
15:34 thestringpuller too many to count
15:34 mircea_popescu nobody knows why not make it 1bn lol.
15:34 thestringpuller why ask for billions when you can get millions?
15:34 mircea_popescu it passed in 2001, it would allow sane biteshifts etc.
15:37 mircea_popescu sheeeit, i paid ppl 5 btc to write stories ?
15:37 mircea_popescu truely i am a broken hand in the chest of bitcoins.
15:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform speaking of nobel prizes, god help us if satoshi ends up awarded the nobel for chemistry and gavin dressed up as princess leila
15:38 mircea_popescu shows up to receive it.
15:40 mircea_popescu by the way, since BingoBoingo brought up methotrexate earlier :
15:41 thestringpuller princess leia* (sorry)
15:42 mircea_popescu this thing works as a highly afine for folate that locks out dfhr, impeding tetrahydrofolic acid synthesis, without which you can't have a nucleus, or many proteins.
15:42 mircea_popescu back in the 50s, aminopterin was discovered, which does exactly that, and was used to treat leukemia
15:42 mircea_popescu (and other things offlabel, like psoriasis)
15:43 mircea_popescu the company that marketed it also marketed amethopterin, which is in many ways similar.
15:44 mircea_popescu soon enough the production of the former was judged too expensive, the latter was rebranded as methotrexate, and a history of "bad side effects" and other fud was created retroactively for aminopterin.
15:44 mircea_popescu as the patents are starting to expire now, the secret everyone know "is being investigated" : aminopterin is actually more effectual in the role of folate synthesis blocker, perhaps not just in the case of leukemia.
15:45 asciilifeform folks who are n00bs re: pharma racket - the above is SOP.
15:45 mircea_popescu and this is all okay, because well... science.
15:45 mircea_popescu so then you know, your average thinking person gets really upset once they hear about the entire "global warming" scam,
15:46 mircea_popescu and the people in the game are really amazed by the reaction. "what's the big deal ? we've been doing this forever nobody complained ?"
15:46 mircea_popescu well...
15:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, which is why i'm writing it out. easily verified, completely unfamiliar to the general public.
15:50 mircea_popescu and since we're on it, methotrexate is used as an abortifacent, notwithstanding that ethacridine lactate is cheaper, can be used without needing a hospital visit and much safer.
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15:50 mircea_popescu the parts "cheap" "can be self administered" somehow override "safer" in this construction.
15:52 mircea_popescu who could pass up on some liver damage for the holy cause of keeping the insides of one's body away from themselves.
16:05 jurov $proxies
16:05 empyex jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
16:05 empyex jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (107 milliseconds), mpex.ws (107 milliseconds), mpex.bz (107 milliseconds), mpex.co (114 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (474 milliseconds)
16:05 empyex jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
16:10 jurov mircea_popescu: http://mpex.ws/db_dump.php and commands don't work
16:11 mircea_popescu jurov looking into it.
16:11 mircea_popescu jurov http://mpex.co/db_dump.php you see that ?
16:12 mircea_popescu .ws seems to have divorced itself from the mothership
16:12 jurov yes, it's limited to mpex.ws
16:12 jurov will also mail you anoother problem ina minute
16:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 230104 @ 0.00064071 = 147.4299 BTC [+] {9}
16:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101800 @ 0.00063753 = 64.9006 BTC [-] {7}
16:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137208 @ 0.00064302 = 88.2275 BTC [+] {10}
16:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167487 @ 0.00064265 = 107.6355 BTC [-] {7}
16:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124972 @ 0.00064056 = 80.0521 BTC [-] {8}
16:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39807 @ 0.00064749 = 25.7746 BTC [+] {2}
16:30 punkman !up Flyer9933
16:32 punkman !up menahem
16:39 jurov <asciilifeform> jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404 << because you haven't sent any. it will get generated when you send them
16:40 assbot jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
16:40 mircea_popescu !up jborkl_
16:40 jborkl_ thank you
16:40 asciilifeform you send them << wai me?
16:43 nubbins` why do i have to send the letter, i wrote the damn thing
16:46 jurov i can send the patches myself but did not looked into them yet
16:46 jurov so just posting them with my sig would be rather bad precedent
16:46 mircea_popescu omg it sends the letter or it gets the hose again
16:47 asciilifeform jurov: i signed my patches. so if sent, from whatever addr, they should be displayed. (with note that one user signed.)
16:47 ben_vulpes rather bad form.
16:47 jurov and where are they?
16:47 asciilifeform jurov: once someone (you, ben_vulpes, whoever) reads them - can also sign, and display will read 'two people signed...'
16:48 mircea_popescu he has a point here. asciilifeform so where are they again ?
16:48 jurov yes this is how i fucking did it
16:48 jurov it jsut needs to be fed the fuking emails
16:48 jurov okay?
16:48 asciilifeform where are they << http://therealbitcoin.org
16:49 mircea_popescu ok, dun get jurov angry, email the stuff lol
16:52 nubbins` do you have any idea how much stamps cost these days
16:52 jborkl_ I was looking for any practical advice on monetizing my site, did not know if any of you had some (advice) on this matter?
16:54 mike_c jborkl_: throw up a bitbet ad with your referral address.
16:54 nubbins` ooo i just found 100 sheets of paper i didn't know i had
16:55 nubbins` scoopbot what's the scoop
16:55 jborkl_ i tries adsense for a week, did not like that. So the idea ben vulpes had was right on target but I am not sure if that is ongoing? ok, thankd mike_c
16:56 jborkl_ thanks
16:56 asciilifeform sent a patch to turdatron. no worky.
16:56 mike_c referral money is simply CPA instead of CPM (actions instead of clicks). it should do as well as traditional ads, and likely better given you don't have an ad sales team.
16:57 asciilifeform this is getting rather tiresome.
16:57 mircea_popescu nubbins` 55c ?
16:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what did it say if anything ?
16:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as far as i can see - it merely disappeared into the aether.
16:58 jborkl_ yeah, I have the chicken and the egg problem. Now I have traffic, but not know what to do with it. I concentrated so much on making it all and writing the code, I never thought what was next
17:08 jurov asciilifeform: thanks, i need something to chew on. apparently mailman mangled the patch before saving to archive
17:08 jurov but if you received it by email, signature is okay
17:09 asciilifeform jurov: i received nothing, i thought that was clear.
17:09 asciilifeform jurov: sent message, correctly formatted, patch and patch sig attached, nothing happened.
17:09 jurov are you registered?
17:09 jurov without registration it's send only
17:10 asciilifeform jurov: ok, registered now.
17:12 jurov ok. you can send other ones
17:12 jurov that damned stuff just decided to snip newline in the end of file before archiving
17:12 jurov and then declared signature invalid
17:13 jurov *end of patch
17:13 cazalla jborkl_, have you considered writing for qntra?
17:13 asciilifeform jurov: sent again - no dice?
17:13 cazalla !up jborkl_
17:14 jurov no i did not fix it yet. but at least it's here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000010.html
17:15 asciilifeform jurov: and why not here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/thread.html ?
17:15 assbot The BTC-dev November 2014 Archive by thread
17:15 jurov overly eager caching
17:15 asciilifeform jurov: caching?
17:15 jurov looking into it
17:16 jurov i have put amazon TurdFront (r) (tm) in front of it
17:16 jurov it already helped the site to survive aone ddos without anyone noticing
17:17 jurov but i'll thry to configure the timeouts shorter
17:17 asciilifeform jurov: nothing in my email either.
17:18 jurov mhm i got both... looked into spam?
17:18 asciilifeform jurov: yes looked.
17:21 jurov postfix/smtp[9200]: 5DA58147C: to=<stas@loper-os.org>, relay=mx-fwd-1.nearlyfreespeech.net[208.94.116.196]:25, delay=2.1, delays=0.21/0/0.46/1.4, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 from MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10027): 250 Queued on server)
17:21 jurov ...
17:21 jurov nsa intercepted it
17:21 asciilifeform jurov: my mailbox is not at fault, it works for everyone else.
17:22 jurov i don't parse this
17:22 jurov you mean it works for everything else?
17:22 asciilifeform jurov: problem is 100% on your end.
17:23 jurov that's incredibly helpful, thanks
17:23 asciilifeform jurov: that, or we don't have a working internet yet.
17:25 jurov i'm out of ideas. maybe it got greylisted but then the log would say sth else
17:27 mircea_popescu jurov it shows your own emails but not his ?
17:28 asciilifeform jurov: i don't have any fancy filtration on my end
17:28 asciilifeform jurov: but so far the results are not encouraging. email doesn't really work!
17:28 jurov mx-fwd-1.nearlyfreespeech.net isn't your machine?
17:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in its defense, email hasn't really worked for ~40 years now.
17:28 asciilifeform jurov: it's a relayer, but it has never failed. not once.
17:31 mircea_popescu vaguely related, how long you been using these guys ? do you know em ?
17:32 mircea_popescu !up novusordo
17:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've been using that hoster since starting my site, >7yrs. ago. they're absolutely super. the cost is virtually unbeatable for low-traffic, simple sites. and, on top of this, almost wholly ddos-proof.
17:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik they only eat usd however.
17:33 mircea_popescu a) do you know them ? and b) can they be lured or strongarmed into taking bitcoin ?
17:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i don't know them alive, no. but it is entirely possible that they could be lured. it's a small family op, afaik.
17:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform write to the owner/admin/whatever ticket system you use, tell him that i am offering $100 in bitcoin if they as much as show up here, to claim it.
17:34 mircea_popescu that can't possibly take em an hour.
17:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i learned of them when looked for a hoster that specializes in censor resistance (through traditional legal-wrangling, rather than fancy tech. it was another age.)
17:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i shall write.
17:35 novusordo asciilifeform: what hoster are you discussing? been looking for one myself.
17:35 mircea_popescu novusordo https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/
17:35 assbot About NearlyFreeSpeech.NET
17:35 asciilifeform novusordo: 'nearly free speech'
17:35 novusordo thanks
17:35 mircea_popescu anyway, i must say i am thankful to the "experts". they've got the rot so advanced by now it's sufficient to look at a site and know you're dealing with actual experts.
17:35 mircea_popescu greatly simplifies the process and saves me a bundle of moneyz this.
17:42 novusordo after reading some of the FAQ it sounds like they follow much of the same philosophy as tarsnap.
17:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wrote letter.
17:44 mircea_popescu danke.
17:44 mircea_popescu novusordo i thought that was a backup solution
17:44 mircea_popescu but speaking of which... it does sort-of tie into yest discussion asciilifeform
17:45 mircea_popescu how about something like tarsnap ?
17:45 novusordo yeah it is a backup solution
17:45 novusordo not hosting
17:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tarsnap isn't really a public access gizmo
17:45 novusordo but by same philosophy I meant in pricing
17:45 novusordo pay-for-what-you-use
17:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but neither is bitcoin.
17:46 mircea_popescu as long as it's an anon expert access gizmo, it should qualify neh ?
17:46 mircea_popescu "public access" is a myth, of the same substance as the man-month.
17:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what i meant was, that it offers no useful mechanisms for anything other than, well, making ordinary backups for own use.
17:47 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bnp-paribas-five-ways-bitcoin-could-shake-up-finance/
17:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you have some notion of how to transmute that into a solution to yesterday's conundrum - i'm all ears.
17:49 mircea_popescu i guess my idea reduces to "paint a brick black and pray to it" huh.
17:49 mircea_popescu a well.
17:51 The20YearIRCloud Looks like we (RentalStarter) are in contract for two more homes, putting our total to 12 properties / 17 units
17:52 Apocalyptic cazalla, re your article, "once regulators and politicians control and enable the continued development of Bitcoin", they can't be that clueless, how the hell do they hope to "control the continued development" ? by sending a gavin-bis ?
17:52 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/ethereums-contract-language-implemented-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-with-counterparty/
17:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/about/belief2002
17:53 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic lulz gotta lulz.
17:54 mircea_popescu cazalla did you mean to say "the article is trying to push the humorous theory" instead of "concludes" ?
17:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nice blast from teh past huh.
17:56 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, that's a much better formulation
17:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XwwiZPPa
17:59 mircea_popescu you must be logged in to access this area....
18:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/bQyAKJqY << here.
18:00 assbot NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Forum IndexMember Support Forums SearchSearch Regi - Pastebin.com
18:00 mircea_popescu lol 10k ?
18:01 mircea_popescu a well.
18:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the sad part is, they have a point. they can't eat it.
18:01 mircea_popescu they can't eat it, they can't leave.
18:01 mircea_popescu i also have a point.
18:01 mircea_popescu live*
18:02 mircea_popescu but i'll make sure to charge a mango my digestion fees next i run into one.
18:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mango happily pays. that's what digestion is all about.
18:02 mircea_popescu so did i. well, up until 5 minutes ago.
18:03 mircea_popescu as a matter of policy, it will now cost these guys 10k to get any of my business, and if they ever get into the wot i'll negrate them right off.
18:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol. why the emotion. the article told the sad truth: 'We have nothing to spend bitcoins on...'
18:04 mircea_popescu no emotion. i am telling the sad truth just as much : adapt or die.
18:05 mircea_popescu bitcoin is not here asking random derp some favours. no matter who the derp thinks he is.
18:05 mircea_popescu bitcoin is his lifeline. pass on it, well... death.
18:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this death is a collective one. or, go try to tell the nearly free speech folks how to get their upstream isp to take btc, and where to get spare disks and pizza for it, and in such a way that it doesn't immediately end up in the waterfall, etc.
18:06 mircea_popescu color me a color that connotes caring.
18:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31228 @ 0.00056414 = 17.617 BTC [-] {2}
18:07 mircea_popescu im sure the mango is going to want to talk to the upstream enzymes about matters too ?
18:07 undata asciilifeform: so sell out when you receive them via derpbase?
18:07 thestringpuller asciilifeform: how do you buy things with btc that don't end up in the waterfall?
18:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no one was asked to care, but trying to explain here that folks are sizzling in an electric chair not necessarily of their own making, rather than simple death through individual folly
18:07 mircea_popescu thestringpuller actually, here's a fun notion : outside of trilema credits, pretty much everything is really just facelifted paypal.
18:07 mircea_popescu so in a sense, i'm the one thing supporting this here bitcoin economy.
18:07 cazalla Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu, i will go cry in the corner and rethink my approach
18:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, it's their folly.
18:08 mircea_popescu many smart people suffer from the what's his face mental issues
18:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: care to draw a simple picture of what you'd do in their place ?
18:08 mircea_popescu jesus, who was the electrician turned expert in physics again ?
18:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tesla?
18:09 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: seems the only option is the swap coins with someone who isn't going to put them in the waterfall :P
18:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform either take the hundred offer or go to war.
18:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah nah brb digging archives
18:09 mircea_popescu ;;google site:trilema.com how to fail
18:09 gribble How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/>; It's been an epic few days: What happened? pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/>; In defense of the troll pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/in-defense-of-the- (1 more message)
18:09 mircea_popescu there we go.
18:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: physics student turned electrician (experimental physics) turned 'quant' aha.
18:10 mircea_popescu "oh i am great and speshul and what is this thing"
18:10 mircea_popescu should be in the dsm-6, this,.
18:10 mircea_popescu "thought bitcoin is some sort of optional thing like widescreen tvs or some shit"
18:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that is still not how i read that one. it was more of a 'what is this martian trinary computer, where can i plug it in? with what sauce can i eat it'. and iirc that was your own initial reaction in '11.
18:11 mircea_popescu my reaction was subtly but essentialy different. it was "how do you expect this to work ?"
18:12 mircea_popescu cue me in 2011 going "sorry, but unless you folks do my homework for me bitcoin sucks. i got math and rom lit."
18:12 mircea_popescu and in any effect, i most motherfucking DEFINITELY did what told, by the people who knew
18:12 mircea_popescu rather than try to conjure up imaginary molehils of secure superiority to take refuge upon.
18:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my reaction just now was 'why won't they show up and at least talk' but then realized that this may be the flip side of the medal, so to speak, of the same conservative thinking that ultimately made n.f.s. co. even interesting in the first place (they've resisted every known variety of crud)
18:15 mircea_popescu no argument.
18:15 mircea_popescu this is a major blindspot of the conservative mindset : rigidity.
18:15 mircea_popescu the fact that the spots go on the cheetah as part of what it is saved no cheetah to date.
18:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but brings back to the fact that usaschwitz is a thing. if i presently had to rely on btc for anything life-sustaining, i'd be quite dead.
18:16 mircea_popescu yet here you are.
18:16 mircea_popescu somehow you're of worse human quality than jeff is the argument here ?
18:16 mircea_popescu it's ok for you but too much to ask of him ?
18:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: death is a hard boundary for experiments. once dead, no 'let's try this differently'
18:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48555 @ 0.00056475 = 27.4214 BTC [+] {2}
18:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i weigh less than an isp/hoster/restaurant/etc. yes.
18:17 mircea_popescu plenty of people manage to juggle a wife and a job and an insane government and still be here. i'm not one of them, as it happens, but that's neither here nor there : to condone jeffidiocy would be more of an insult to their otherwise unguilty face than i can stomach.
18:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fact is, i and the other jugglers - find ways to hoover up enough usd to pay the usd-eaters in.
18:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0005676 = 3.4056 BTC [+]
18:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: moving a functioning usd-fueled business to btc - other matter. especially if you're sensitive about not wishing to fatten vultures.
18:23 mircea_popescu you can still take a quarter.
18:24 mircea_popescu fuck, maybe the people throwing away quarters know all about n answers you can't find on your own.
18:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can't really argue that 'no we won't even talk' was a correct answer. but i do understand how a n00b might associate bitcoin as-a-concept with the derps and sp4mz0rs.
18:25 mircea_popescu but no, because conservative mindset depends on random derp being the king of all creation. which works about as well as you'd expect, boring in the bedroom, offensive in the forum, etc.
18:26 mircea_popescu i can also understand how half the heads populating pikes around the stronghold used to be attached to people who didn't mean to.
18:26 mircea_popescu what's that do for us ?
18:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if there's a psychiatric lesson here, it is that resisting crud is not necessarily from cleverness, but could also be on account of being a goat herder in afghanistan and what even is all this recycled food.
18:27 mircea_popescu surely.
18:28 mircea_popescu which is why distinction is so important and processes that enact it so useful.
18:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one could also hypothesize again about 'married men' and who can or cannot afford to take what risk, etc.
18:29 mircea_popescu anyway, my takeaway is that firmness is a quality, but rigidity a sin. the boob rule : good if made out of young woman, bad if made out of bone.
18:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and the remaining lesson, possibly, is that we are still without a general-purpose btc-powered hoster.
18:30 mircea_popescu maybe PinkPosixPXE chick gets her dusts in a row.
18:34 mircea_popescu !up hank_
18:37 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i picked out an XMas present for you early.
18:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33941 @ 0.0005676 = 19.2649 BTC [+]
18:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53817 @ 0.00056186 = 30.2376 BTC [-]
18:48 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course all of those agents were found because after seeing folate's role in cell synthesis, feeding a bunch of leukemias high dose folate was assumed to be the way. It helped the cancer so much!
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19:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 17183 @ 0.0012 = 20.6196 BTC
19:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00056001 = 6.9441 BTC [-]
19:22 mike_c just in case it's helpful, i was seeing some wonkiness with mpex.ws last night too but didn't have time to debug. so the problem may be 24+ hours old.
19:25 mircea_popescu just about.
19:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00056001 = 18.9843 BTC [-]
19:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13378 @ 0.00055966 = 7.4871 BTC [-] {2}
19:38 mircea_popescu notary deed http://pastebin.com/CXcwTz7S
19:38 assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Your dividend payment for S. - Pastebin.com
19:38 notary mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
19:47 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo heh myeah.
19:47 mircea_popescu medicine is a... strongly experimental science.
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20:22 cazalla BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki <<< anyone care to provide thoughts on whether this is a good or bad thing?
20:22 assbot bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub
20:23 BingoBoingo On it's own it's a naive thing, but the conversation around it will lead to bad things as it will probably lead to hard fork talk to set the stage for the blocksize increase discussion.
20:24 cazalla there you go thestringpuller, i was almost right
20:24 cazalla well, on target
20:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13607 @ 0.00056017 = 7.6222 BTC [+]
20:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Bn88rOZ
20:34 assbot asciilifeform's mail - Imgur
20:40 dub 1% losses for shareholders on s.wol is one interpretation
20:41 dub i think its worth noting that for eveyone other than mp and mike it was a 50-80% loss
20:46 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: bip-0065 << classic 'relevance farming.' the phoundation will take any excuse to add cruft to the gizmo. in their fantasy, folks will use it, and those who have resisted their turds will be forced to merge in.
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20:47 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain?
20:49 BingoBoingo The Manul's greatest asset in combat is that through the fur, an adversary can not tell from where on the moving limbs the claws will emerge
20:50 asciilifeform !s in the game of chess you must never
20:50 assbot 1 results for 'in the game of chess you must never' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=in+the+game+of+chess+you+must+never
20:53 BingoBoingo Well, that's why I prefer playing as black and starting with small pawn moves. Harder for the opponent to see in the dark.
20:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ahahaha wow.
20:54 mircea_popescu was it read ?
20:54 asciilifeform i only just now opened it!
20:55 asciilifeform and more mysteries:
20:55 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/KunZAwf
20:55 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
20:55 mircea_popescu i mean b4
20:55 mircea_popescu is it used ?
20:55 asciilifeform why isbn is shit...
20:55 asciilifeform and why is 'zenofeller.com' now a linkpharm?
20:55 asciilifeform book was clearly thumbed
20:55 asciilifeform and has a most peculiar smell, like old turkish bubble-gum
20:56 asciilifeform faint but detectable.
20:57 mircea_popescu ha!
20:57 mircea_popescu lol you can read leetspeak nao ?
20:58 asciilifeform n3v3r
20:58 * asciilifeform admits he parsed 'b4' as half a chess tuple
20:58 asciilifeform but that's BingoBoingo's fault
20:59 mircea_popescu lol
20:59 asciilifeform at any rate, chukcha is a writer not reader.
20:59 mircea_popescu !t m s.wol
20:59 assbot [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000086 / 0.000086 / 0.000086 (2 shares, 0.00 BTC)
21:00 mircea_popescu hm lessee here.
21:01 mircea_popescu dub total satoshsi : 2129446090 total shares 525903
21:01 mircea_popescu that means an average lifetime price of 4k, it closed at ~3k.
21:02 mircea_popescu that aside, mp and mike sold what was it, 5 btc worth at 3k.
21:03 mircea_popescu that leaves a 16 btc worth of volume, which was exactly half making a gain while exactly the other half made a loss.
21:04 mircea_popescu kinda how this entire trading thing goes.
21:08 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. << do tell ?
21:08 mircea_popescu what was on "their" side of the line keeping skirts below the knee ?
21:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on their side - presumably, the turd.
21:08 asciilifeform their turd.
21:08 mircea_popescu the jeff of 1950 knew all about how computers "won't catch on"
21:08 mircea_popescu there's never anything on their side of the line is the thing.
21:10 * mircea_popescu remembers a time "the line" was, you gotta raise a woman's kids to get laid and you gotta pay a hooker to get your cock sucked.
21:10 mircea_popescu worked so admirably well, teh line.
21:11 asciilifeform did not say 'they' win. said - there shall be war.
21:11 mircea_popescu after a fashion.
21:11 mircea_popescu but yes. definitely.
21:12 * asciilifeform armchair admiral, and cannot presume to know what sort of war, fought with what
21:12 mircea_popescu would be a sore loss to win without a war. instead of a solid enjoyment of rape and plunder, do not pass go, directly to the trudge of administration ?
21:12 mircea_popescu fuck that.
21:12 mircea_popescu war is generally the best part.
21:12 asciilifeform at any rate, 'jeff of 1950' was not entirely wrong; computers have yet to really catch on...
21:13 mircea_popescu ofcourse.
21:13 mircea_popescu which is why either he has one or his kids want one for xmas.
21:14 mircea_popescu !up Vexual
21:15 Vexual thanks for the link to your blogpost mp, not I know what I sound like 3 force drunk
21:15 mircea_popescu lol
21:17 Vexual what happened with wol?
21:18 Vexual all the players died from seizures or something?
21:18 mircea_popescu it got no love
21:19 BingoBoingo It's parimutuel model was prolly too fair in pricing
21:22 undata asciilifeform | at any rate, 'jeff of 1950' was not entirely wrong; computers have yet to really catch on... << this printing thing hasn't really caught on yet; all they're printing are more bibles
21:31 BingoBoingo http://theweek.com/article/index/271644/its-time-to-abolish-the-interstate-highway-system
21:31 assbot It's time to abolish the Interstate Highway System - The Week
21:34 nubbins` <The20YearIRCloud> Looks like we (RentalStarter) are in contract for two more homes, putting our total to 12 properties / 17 units
21:34 BingoBoingo ^ The TLDR, shift some bezzel around and make it easier for the US to partition further
21:34 nubbins` at this rate you'll have the first poster given away in no time 8)
21:34 The20YearIRCloud already given away a few of em nubbins`
21:35 nubbins` i eagerly await pictures
21:35 The20YearIRCloud i gave em instructions
21:35 nubbins` fwiw i think they'd have been better served given to people who we'd like to see in here, but hey, i'm just the printer 8)
21:35 nubbins` and i guess taleb's mailing address is hard to find.
21:36 Vexual send it to his publisher
21:36 The20YearIRCloud I wanted to run a contest and give a few away to non-tenants, as they'd likely have much more of a desire for em
21:36 The20YearIRCloud most of our tenants don't have PCs
21:37 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
21:37 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.29, Best ask: 431.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.65000, Last trade: 431.94, 24 hour volume: 45124.17445036, 24 hour low: 375.97, 24 hour high: 434.8, 24 hour vwap: 408.121751826
21:37 BingoBoingo What about lacquering them onto the doors?
21:37 The20YearIRCloud lol, that could be interesting
21:43 asciilifeform most of our tenants don't have PCs << wai wat
21:43 Vexual yeah, that got me too
21:44 asciilifeform they are paying in btc without computer ?
21:44 Vexual paper moeny
21:46 The20YearIRCloud Money, cash, cashier's checks, checks, ect, no one so far has ever heard of BTC, along with most not having access to a computer
21:47 asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: where does the btc come in then
21:47 * asciilifeform thought 'rentalstarter' was a btc thing
21:47 The20YearIRCloud tenants pay in USD
21:48 The20YearIRCloud otherwise we'd be broke
21:48 mircea_popescu "T
21:48 mircea_popescu he 114th Congress may seem like an unlikely source of major reform. With the Republicans in control of both houses and a second-term Democratic president wielding the veto pen"
21:48 mircea_popescu ahem. yeah it's a likely source of major fucking reform.
21:48 mircea_popescu consisting principally of throwing out 80 years of accumulated gunk masquerading as "reform"
21:48 mircea_popescu from delano to obama, a bridge of shit.
21:49 decimation asciilifeform: I finished 17 moments of spring, thanks for the recommendation. It was an interesting show
21:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from delano to obama << 'от ильича до ильича'
21:49 asciilifeform decimation: aha
21:49 decimation mircea_popescu: in the us it is customary to label any policy whatsoever as 'reform'
21:51 mircea_popescu my point exactly.
21:51 decimation like the national assembly in revolutionary france, congress feels that they can make policy about anything whatsoever
21:52 * asciilifeform would love to read a collection of all the u.s. federal laws that claim extraterritoriality.
21:52 mircea_popescu ^
21:52 asciilifeform i can remember a few - the one with the flag-less submarines, and the one forbidding any biped on planet 3 from working on nukes without u.s. blessing
21:52 mircea_popescu that us libtards gave themselves and in their own mind some sort of major role in the world is novel.
21:53 decimation the first one that comes to mind are the 'foreign banking' laws w.r.t. us citizens
21:53 asciilifeform citizens - yes. i was thinking of other
21:53 mircea_popescu for most of its history, the us knew better, an saw itself as a minor player.
21:53 asciilifeform that is, there are actually laws on the books which specifically say 'anyone, anywhere, whether he even knows we exist'
21:54 decimation another famous one is the law that bans illegal wood harvest anywhere in the world
21:54 decimation the 'lacey act'
21:55 The20YearIRCloud poor gibson guitars :(
21:55 decimation yep
21:56 decimation in the early constitution era it was thought that congress was limited to passing laws about things that were actually mentioned in their charter in the constitution
21:56 decimation lincoln and then fdr removed that restriction
21:56 mircea_popescu " If we could even get ourselves down to a Western European level of car dependence, we would cut road fatalities to a third of their present value and improve our quality of life in innumerable ways."
21:56 mircea_popescu yah lol. how to become europe ? "insert toll roads"
21:56 asciilifeform http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2285
21:56 assbot 18 U.S. Code § 2285 - Operation of submersible vessel or semi-submersible vessel without nationality | LII / Legal Information Institute
21:56 mircea_popescu totally. i like thios reasoning.
21:56 asciilifeform ^ submarines
21:57 mircea_popescu maybe the author could be come a girl by selling lipstick.
21:57 decimation mircea_popescu: usians hate the idea of paying for roads
21:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's hardly noteworthy. for as long as navigation was a thing, navigating without a banner meant being an outlaw.
21:58 asciilifeform u.s. navy sub - also outlaw?
21:58 mircea_popescu decimation point being, europe is europe because it's europe, not because some kansas kids decided to wear bedsheets once and poof.
21:58 decimation yeah actually I agree with that law
21:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if it goes without a banner, yes.
21:58 asciilifeform banner underwater?
21:58 decimation hehe
21:59 BingoBoingo !Up cascadian_derper
21:59 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah, but there's something lacking in the us - they can't seem to believe that they have their own culture and avoid trying to make one
21:59 mircea_popescu well, "banner"
21:59 cascadian_derper ah lovely someone's watching
21:59 mircea_popescu decimation who has his own culture you mean ?
21:59 decimation well, kansas for instance
22:00 mircea_popescu i dun see it.
22:00 cascadian_derper thanks for participating in my live fire, bb
22:00 mircea_popescu kansas culture = "move to ny, for a better life" + "check out the corn!!1"
22:00 decimation they actually do have a culture, it is just roundly rejected by every elite with a printing press
22:00 mircea_popescu well ?
22:00 mircea_popescu what is this then, folklore ?
22:00 mircea_popescu !up Derp
22:01 mircea_popescu the us may only have a folklore after 2276.
22:01 mircea_popescu check back in 1/4 millenium.
22:01 decimation yeah, it'll be viva la reconquista
22:02 asciilifeform http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/47a << mega-lol
22:02 assbot 50 U.S. Code § 47a - Information concerning illegal introduction, manufacture, acquisition or export of special nuclear material or atomic weapons or conspiracies relating thereto; reward | LII / Legal Information Institute
22:03 decimation I think that the low country "jante law" culture is one of the things that provides an impetus to the lack of us folklore/home culture
22:03 cascadian_derper .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f8nwfQx1
22:03 notary cascadian_derper: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
22:04 mircea_popescu it's just too damned young.
22:04 decimation yeah that's true
22:05 decimation plus, the radical egalitarianism is like an acid that dissolves the nascent culture before it begins
22:05 ben_vulpes nah just polishing off a bottle of champagne in the office
22:05 ben_vulpes whoop
22:05 ben_vulpes wrong channel, perdon
22:06 hanbot wrong channel, perignon << ftfy
22:07 decimation heh
22:07 mircea_popescu decimation this is not true.
22:07 mircea_popescu the russians had the mir for as long as the memory goes, and yet.
22:07 ben_vulpes clever you, hanbot. it's cremant du jura though.
22:08 decimation you mean the space station :)
22:09 mircea_popescu nah, the mir, the village "corporation" of sorts.
22:10 ben_vulpes what is scoopbot's actual uptime?
22:10 ben_vulpes PeterL: do you need a hand with stabilizing that thing?
22:11 mircea_popescu decimation it owned all the land, and allocated it. it owned the peasants, and regulated their life. basically think beehive with the queen unembodied.
22:11 PeterL sorry, trying to fix it right now
22:13 decimation so your point is that the lack of egalitarianism did not foster a culture?
22:13 ben_vulpes PeterL: i'm not trying to make you cry, but mebbe offer suggestions how to keep the thing up
22:13 ben_vulpes are you still running it in a screen session or whatever?
22:13 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
22:14 decimation PeterL: does it reconnect?
22:15 PeterL no, not yet, I'm gonna swith it to a different chan for a minute while I derp with it a bit
22:15 asciilifeform http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2122
22:15 assbot 42 U.S. Code § 2122 - Prohibitions governing atomic weapons | LII / Legal Information Institute
22:15 asciilifeform ^ the nuke thing.
22:15 asciilifeform finally found it.
22:15 asciilifeform 'It shall be unlawful, except as provided in section 2121 of this title, for any person, inside or outside of the United States, to knowingly participate in the development of, manufacture, produce, transfer, acquire, receive, possess, import, export, or use, or possess and threaten to use, any atomic weapon.'
22:16 asciilifeform just think, kurchatov or sakharov, could have sat in an american jail
22:16 asciilifeform if somehow caught.
22:16 decimation presumably 'person' means 'person to which us law applies'
22:16 asciilifeform nope.
22:16 asciilifeform person.
22:16 asciilifeform normally they state 'u.s. subject' or similar.
22:16 decimation asciilifeform: 'person' is an overloaded word in us law
22:17 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Bn88rOZ << ahaha i remember fucking with solenoids
22:17 assbot asciilifeform's mail - Imgur
22:17 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: damn did you hoover up the only copy?
22:17 asciilifeform idk how many copies.
22:18 asciilifeform ask mircea_popescu
22:18 ben_vulpes well on 'amazon "book" services'
22:18 ben_vulpes *** assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has changed mode for #bitcoin-assets to +v JorgePasada << where's my node, bitch
22:18 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://www.amazon.com//gp/offer-listing/B000MOLJGI/sr=/qid=/?condition=used&tag=bkfndr76-20
22:18 ben_vulpes ;;later tell JorgePasada see above
22:18 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:20 ben_vulpes mm gratzi asciilifeform
22:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12232 @ 0.00056379 = 6.8963 BTC [+]
22:20 ben_vulpes holy shit mpoe clearing at 56k
22:20 ben_vulpes market hates you mircea_popescu
22:20 ben_vulpes clearly wagering on usg winning this round
22:21 decimation I guess 'person' means whatever some court finds that it means, when they are presented with the question
22:21 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain? << consider the gadget a piece of art. as always, the miners determine everything.
22:24 Vexual decimation: Personne physique
22:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 5821 @ 0.0012 = 6.9852 BTC
22:32 Vexual ;;ticker
22:32 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 438.18, Best ask: 438.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 438.18, 24 hour volume: 45394.86406201, 24 hour low: 377.6, 24 hour high: 438.3, 24 hour vwap: 408.920744472
22:39 mircea_popescu decimation> so your point is that the lack of egalitarianism did not foster a culture? << my point being that culture is strictly a matter of time. how people organise is irrelevant. which also means there's no shortcuts.
22:41 mircea_popescu ;;calc 330/420 * 66
22:41 gribble 51.8571428571
22:41 mircea_popescu maybe it's scaling with the usg *gasp*
22:41 decimation yet, us folk come from somewhere, where did that culture go?
22:42 mircea_popescu iroquis also came from somewhere, but once they came, it was all new.
22:42 mircea_popescu for that matter, the germans come from fucking central asia. so what of it.
22:42 mircea_popescu the zulus managed to start over each century moving 100 miles.
22:42 Vexual and then some
22:43 Vexual those guys don't fuck around
22:43 decimation "Zulu" was a good movie
22:43 decimation !up Vexual
22:45 Vexual Might give it a look, The tourist was watchable
22:45 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah that formula 'fits' - culture is derived in a convergence of circumstances + time
22:49 BingoBoingo The geographic area occupied by present day Collinsville, Illinois had a population of ~35,000 600 years ago, and has a similar population today.
22:49 decimation BingoBoingo: the 'mound culture'?
22:50 BingoBoingo decimation: Yes "Mississippians" Seems smallpox probably got to them before the pale faces did.
22:53 BingoBoingo The view from the big pile of dirt into Missouri is pretty sweet.
22:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23994 @ 0.00056201 = 13.4849 BTC [-] {2}
22:57 BingoBoingo They even seemed to have had their own skunkworks program where they might have been trying to get to bronze a few millenia too late https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_34
22:57 assbot Mound 34 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:58 decimation I guess kansas was kansas before kansas
22:59 BingoBoingo Well, no. Kansas had those fucking barbarian nomads with their dogs
23:01 BingoBoingo Meanwhile the Mississippians had suburbs and shit, some suburbs more populated than they are presently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Mound_and_Village_Site
23:01 assbot Emerald Mound and Village Site - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:05 BingoBoingo !up Mrstickball
23:05 BingoBoingo !up railzand
23:05 BingoBoingo !up phish
23:06 Vexual people on the river are happy to give
23:10 BingoBoingo !up rdekley
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23:32 mircea_popescu !up u00
23:34 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/#comment-109841 << a competitor emerges!
23:34 assbot Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for the very first time pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:36 mircea_popescu actually midden is pretty much the best approximation of culture in physical terms.
23:37 asciilifeform even the laziest student of archaeology knows this.
23:38 mircea_popescu well so that's what, 300 people ?
23:38 asciilifeform lol
23:39 asciilifeform 300 mil sovblok.
23:40 decimation speaking of obvous to everybody, here's some tardation for amusement: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/11/alternative-scientific-history/
23:40 assbot Alternative Scientific History « Isegoria
23:43 mircea_popescu the feminist one is pretty good.
23:44 decimation yeah surely these people are trolling
23:44 mircea_popescu basically, dude imagines that a) he currently lives in a world where people actually give a shit what usians thing and b) this will survive time travel.
23:44 decimation most of what is accepted as common knowledge in the us would have been rank retardation to the ancients
23:45 decimation the romans would use lenses though
23:45 mircea_popescu wait, caesar saves the republic ?!
23:45 mircea_popescu lmao
23:45 decimation lol yeah that too
23:46 mircea_popescu "since the early 20th century, Earth’s mean surface temperature has increased by about 0.8°C." lmap
23:47 mircea_popescu The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change indicated!!!!
23:47 decimation as if anyone could state that with authority
23:47 mircea_popescu srsly, this faux chosenpeopleism is hard to get out of huh
23:48 decimation the us is soaked in it, and it is getting worse
23:48 mircea_popescu basically "i am a worthless sack of dung. the proof of this is that if i got sent to any other circumstance i'd make a total fool of myself"
23:50 mircea_popescu all these people whose survival strictly depends on a extreheheeemely unlikely arrangement imagine themselves like... you know, representatives of HUMANITY outright
23:50 dub they represent the body of human science tho
23:50 mircea_popescu hardly.
23:51 decimation do they lack the ability to perceive the obvious or are they acting out despite themselves?
23:51 mircea_popescu the body of human science isn't derp derping about "relativity" by name anymore than the body of bitcoin is derp derping about "bitcoin" by name.
23:51 mircea_popescu there's nothing in a name.
23:51 dub teh body of human science says global warming is a thing
23:51 mircea_popescu decimation coelenterata. they just float around in the sea. not their fault some happened upon a vent, not their fault the vent will go out.
23:51 mircea_popescu you can't possibly be still on that kicks ?!
23:52 dub its fact, idk what you deniers are smoking
23:52 mircea_popescu the "body of human science" understood as "the government employees paid to derp on a topic" enacted "slow moving schizophrenia" as a thing.
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23:52 dub its hilarious listening to it
23:52 mircea_popescu and then they died by falling out of the strawberry tree.
23:53 decimation I found a chocolate bush one day but it turned out to be rabbit turds
23:53 undata decimation: how many bites in were you?
23:54 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2A4P8SA.txt )
23:54 mircea_popescu !b 2
23:54 mircea_popescu get a load of this... the qin envoy guy is using the example of a chinese table tennis player as highly achievementful women.
23:54 mircea_popescu because the ancient chinese didn't know women can you know, tablestuffs.
23:55 nubbins` do you even table
23:55 decimation http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2014/11/no-word-back-yet.html
23:55 assbot Across Difficult Country: No Word Back Yet
23:55 mircea_popescu kinda unfair that he mentions oprah winfrey but not martha stewart lol.
23:58 decimation when I was in Maui I found Oprah's Maui mansion
23:58 decimation it overlooks the statue erected to the memory of sun yet san
23:58 mircea_popescu "Robin Williams' suicide was triggered by a horrible disease called Lewy Body Dementia ... sources connected with his family tell TMZ."
23:58 mircea_popescu i fucking knew it.
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