00:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://atomictoasters.com/2014/06/q%C2%B3-sfsiwi-edition/#more-31867 << unrelated |
00:02 |
assbot |
Q: SFSIWI Edition : Atomic Toasters |
00:03 |
decimation |
lol looks like a good way to lose a finger |
00:06 |
decimation |
btw here's the guy who likely wrote the bash bug: http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/ |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
-and- 'readline' !? |
00:07 |
decimation |
hehe lock away your women |
00:08 |
decimation |
'gnu software': parsers written by derps who can't write parsers |
00:15 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: what kind of bell must be rung to convince people that 'reviewing' the monstrous pile of C code (on the C-machine) modern software uses is not just difficult - it's impossible |
00:16 |
* |
asciilifeform tried. |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
what kind of bell must be rung to wake the dead? |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
or at least to reanimate 'vegetables' ? |
00:17 |
decimation |
I've been reading derpage in the media about how much money amazon & google make of the wintel/linux stack and how little they obviously look at the details of what they are building |
00:18 |
decimation |
inevitably there's going to be some usg 'dept of c-machine hygiene' |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
that'd be... microshit. |
00:20 |
decimation |
the vegetable analogy is incomplete - the 'vegetable' could get up and walk, or at least move its fingers, at any time |
00:21 |
decimation |
patient chooses to wallow in its vegetableness instead |
00:21 |
asciilifeform |
the semiconductor folks could decide to produce non-braindamaged circuits also at any time. |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
00:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 211 @ 0.12399059 = 26.162 BTC [-] {14} |
00:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.12117142 = 2.5446 BTC [-] {3} |
00:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1091 @ 0.00410419 = 4.4777 BTC [-] {8} |
00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
novelty, ohio |
00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
my sides |
00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
chetty: you wrote bash bug?! |
00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
:P |
00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> for one thing, you can't really shower with one. << gold necklace? |
00:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Novelty? |
00:55 |
ben_vulpes |
mthreat: i creamed myself over the l39 |
00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
but this pauper's gotta think smaller, like a 47: http://www.the47.com/ |
00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
The20YearIRCloud: http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/ |
00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust themediator |
00:57 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user themediator: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=themediator | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=themediator | Rated since: never |
00:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
and who's chet? |
00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
well do some reading |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
grepping logs for the link in question will illuminate much |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
decimation: saauce? |
01:01 |
mthreat |
ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc |
01:02 |
mthreat |
ben_vulpes: but operating cost... burns up to 160 gallons per hour. i think jet fuel is $5/gallon. |
01:03 |
mthreat |
actually it probably burns more than 160gallons/hour at full throttle |
01:03 |
mthreat |
http://www.warbirdalley.com/articles/l39pr.htm |
01:03 |
assbot |
Warbird Alley: L-39 Albatros Pilot Report |
01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
;;calc 160*5 |
01:03 |
gribble |
800 |
01:03 |
mthreat |
YEP |
01:03 |
mthreat |
oops |
01:04 |
dub |
thats a lot cheaper than your avg superyacht |
01:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
mthreat - they're not expensive birds |
01:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I saw one that sold for something along the lines of $250k in full military gear |
01:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
err wait, not the l39 |
01:05 |
mthreat |
top speed about 500 mph |
01:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'm thinking A-37 dragonfly |
01:05 |
The20YearIRCloud |
(One of my more favorite aircraft) |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
wait mph and aircraft |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
my tiny retarded brain just assploded |
01:07 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Some americans use mph, especially dealing with ww2 era aircraft |
01:07 |
mthreat |
mach 0.8 |
01:20 |
ben_vulpes |
might actually get somewhere for a grand in that thing |
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~ 56 minutes ~ |
02:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00074524 = 18.2211 BTC [-] {4} |
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~ 1 hours 49 minutes ~ |
04:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12223078 = 1.589 BTC [+] {3} |
04:14 |
cazalla |
don't go chasing buterin waterfalls.. (this one might be a tsunami) |
04:21 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-release-bro-coin-details/ |
04:28 |
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Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 67(Y):33(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.48725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,634. |
04:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.01036353 = 0.5078 BTC [-] |
04:38 |
cazalla |
150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged |
04:41 |
punkman |
;;ticker |
04:41 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 316.0, Best ask: 316.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 316.44, 24 hour volume: 33120.41662483, 24 hour low: 315.01, 24 hour high: 354.75, 24 hour vwap: 335.779786497 |
04:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01036083 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3} |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
05:09 |
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Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 71(Y):29(N) by weight. Total bet: 30.48725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,599. |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
05:29 |
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Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 3827.19563163 BTC. Current weight: 39,533. |
05:37 |
Apocalyptic |
<cazalla> [10:38:13] 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged // may be explained by the fact that it's almost all shorts if you're referring to bitfinex |
05:47 |
thickasthieves |
yeagh it cant go much lomger |
05:47 |
thickasthieves |
it can go much deeper though |
05:51 |
Apocalyptic |
you're still short tat ? |
05:51 |
thickasthieves |
yep |
05:51 |
thickasthieves |
been covering slowly on way down |
05:52 |
thickasthieves |
it was so fukn hard holding shorts in 330s |
05:52 |
thickasthieves |
but i'm learning |
05:52 |
thickasthieves |
to regulate my trigger finger |
05:52 |
Apocalyptic |
heh, I know that feeling |
05:54 |
thickasthieves |
i'm trying to figure out the current total btc swaps out on bfxdata.com |
05:54 |
thickasthieves |
but anything i see is hours old |
05:56 |
thickasthieves |
yet the USD swap data is current |
05:58 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 72(Y):28(N) by weight. Total bet: 31.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,557. |
05:59 |
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Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.15235445 BTC. Current weight: 22,119. |
06:04 |
thickasthieves |
also note there are like $20m in margin longs on bfx |
06:05 |
thickasthieves |
would be more fun to see them choked out |
06:05 |
Apocalyptic |
that's decent |
06:05 |
jurov |
http://shortlogic.tumblr.com/post/99014759324/reddits-crappy-ultimatum << reddit is soon history |
06:05 |
assbot |
Short logic (Reddits crappy ultimatum to remote workers and offices) |
06:09 |
thickasthieves |
i wonder if bfx is throttling swap data on purpose |
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~ 36 minutes ~ |
06:46 |
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Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 30.15235445 BTC. Current weight: 21,915. |
06:50 |
thickasthieves |
;;estimate |
06:50 |
gribble |
Next difficulty estimate | 34759474311.6 based on data since last change | 37121113125.0 based on data for last three days |
06:50 |
thickasthieves |
;;bcstats |
06:50 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 323941 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 634 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 13 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34759474311.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.28287 |
06:50 |
thickasthieves |
looks like it's turning back up |
06:50 |
|
Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 33.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,513. |
06:51 |
thickasthieves |
time to test 300 |
06:52 |
punkman |
;;ticker |
06:52 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.71, Best ask: 307.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 307.77, 24 hour volume: 34788.90694890, 24 hour low: 307.11, 24 hour high: 353.87, 24 hour vwap: 333.475147624 |
07:00 |
thickasthieves |
btce at 299 |
07:00 |
thickasthieves |
here comes the despair! |
07:02 |
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Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 89(Y):11(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 37.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,503. |
07:02 |
cazalla |
ooh, just in time whoever that was |
07:04 |
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Bet placed: 7 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 79(Y):21(N) by weight. Total bet: 44.98725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,501. |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
07:24 |
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Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 51.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,484. |
07:24 |
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Bet placed: 1.9 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 51.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,484. |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
07:40 |
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Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 82(Y):18(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.38725376 BTC. Current weight: 32,471. |
07:45 |
thickasthieves |
livin on the edge |
07:54 |
kakobrekla |
muh |
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~ 42 minutes ~ |
08:37 |
decimation |
;;ticker |
08:37 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.28, Best ask: 307.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 307.98, 24 hour volume: 38748.62497416, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 351.17, 24 hour vwap: 328.963391846 |
08:40 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: saauce for what? |
08:49 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: there is an amusing side story to that little two-wheeled bot - it's called the 'recon scout'. Turns out that it was made for the us military, who don't give a shit about civilian usg frequency allocation rules. When they wanted to sell it in the us, they had to get a special note from Stalin because it was actually operating ... in the middle of the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-allows-robotic-device-in- |
08:49 |
decimation |
amateur-band |
08:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.13899672 = 0.695 BTC [+] {4} |
08:49 |
decimation |
hams were pissed, asked fcc to reconsider - fcc reconsidered and said "yeah you can operate your bot in the ham band" |
08:50 |
decimation |
Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-denies-arrl-em-petition-em-to-deny-reconrobotics-licenses-but-limits-devices-to-100-khz-bandwidt |
08:50 |
assbot |
FCC Denies ARRL Petition to Deny ReconRobotics Licenses, But Limits Devices to 100 kHz Bandwidth |
08:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44144 @ 0.0007494 = 33.0815 BTC [+] {4} |
09:00 |
decimation |
more bots http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/navy-guided-unmanned-patrol-boats-make-debut-25972159 |
09:00 |
assbot |
Navy: Self-Guided Unmanned Patrol Boats Make Debut - ABC News |
09:10 |
dub |
neat |
09:15 |
dub |
was pondering a personal defense bot a few years ago, like a smart shuriken you can deploy a bunch of when under attack form ninjas and zombies |
09:16 |
dub |
and system where an airliner falling out of teh sky ejects its passengers to be individually caught by bot swarm |
09:16 |
decimation |
dub: lol |
09:17 |
decimation |
if one would go to the trouble of engineering an ejection system, why not add a parachute for each seat? |
09:18 |
dub |
or encase them in a protective foam/substance |
09:18 |
jurov |
;;seen davout |
09:18 |
gribble |
davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <davout> oui et toi-même ? |
09:20 |
jurov |
;;later tell davout you really don't need help with x.eur MM bot? i don't even remmeber when there were any asks |
09:20 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
09:20 |
jurov |
!d x.eur |
09:21 |
jurov |
$depth m x.eur |
09:21 |
empyex |
jurov: [X.EUR] Bids: 1875 @ 0.00120000 2000 @ 0.00100000 |
09:21 |
empyex |
jurov: [X.EUR] Asks: |
09:24 |
jurov |
i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore |
09:26 |
jurov |
why? |
09:28 |
jurov |
i'm then reluctant to invest time and effort into improving coinbr, too |
09:29 |
thickasthieves |
because mpex isnt providing anything people want to play with intraday |
09:30 |
jurov |
havecock does? |
09:31 |
thickasthieves |
not in any way significant to people with money |
09:32 |
thickasthieves |
hl just has the mining thing, AM holdouts, and RENT IPOz |
09:32 |
jurov |
ikr. but it at leas it does not have such desolate looking order books |
09:32 |
thickasthieves |
mpex investors dont like taking losses |
09:32 |
thickasthieves |
:) |
09:34 |
thickasthieves |
would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges |
09:34 |
thickasthieves |
itd also be nice if the pricing werent abstracted in some fukt way that i need a spreadsheet just to know values |
09:35 |
pankkake |
jurov: 0.00020000 * 44`166 for F.MPIF, isn't it a market maker opportunity? |
09:35 |
thickasthieves |
jurov has limits on him |
09:35 |
thickasthieves |
can only trade in 1% or sumth |
09:35 |
jurov |
no |
09:35 |
jurov |
!mpif |
09:35 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly. |
09:36 |
jurov |
;;calc 0.00021861/1.01 |
09:36 |
gribble |
0.000216445544554 |
09:36 |
jurov |
;;calc 0.00021861*1.01 |
09:36 |
gribble |
0.0002207961 |
09:36 |
jurov |
i shall trade outside of this |
09:36 |
pankkake |
isn't it well outside? |
09:37 |
jurov |
oh i see |
09:38 |
jurov |
but i want a bit bigger margin |
09:40 |
jurov |
don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side |
09:40 |
pankkake |
here is 0.000195. |
09:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 26200 @ 0.00019809 = 5.19 BTC {3} |
09:41 |
jurov |
oh they're liquidating as i'm writing...lemme see |
09:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 17966 @ 0.000195 = 3.5034 BTC [-] |
09:46 |
jurov |
done. i'll now prolly pester mircea about buyback |
09:51 |
mats_cd03 |
;;ticker |
09:51 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 312.4, Best ask: 312.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 313.39, 24 hour volume: 38702.20084884, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 328.371621193 |
09:51 |
mats_cd03 |
it rises |
09:52 |
thickasthieves |
not for long |
09:52 |
thickasthieves |
although.. https://www.bitstamp.net/market/order_book/ |
09:52 |
thickasthieves |
nice walls |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
10:10 |
thickasthieves |
http://recode.net/2014/10/04/nfl-bans-beats-headphones-on-camera/ |
10:10 |
assbot |
NFL Bans Beats Headphones On Camera (Updated) | Re/code |
10:10 |
thickasthieves |
this, after the league made a deal with Bose |
10:11 |
thickasthieves |
they |
10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
10:13 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305176.15 in 536 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.75 |
10:15 |
thickasthieves |
5000btc wall at 300$, someone really doesnt wanna lose the bitbet |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
!up jdany |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
10:16 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.82, Best ask: 314.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 314.07, 24 hour volume: 39060.58237394, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 326.651978774 |
10:16 |
thickasthieves |
hey jdany |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price. |
10:17 |
thickasthieves |
jdany messaged me on bitcointalk asking why i left, i explained there was no reason to stay and that here is better |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it's how the cornering of the silver market worked |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves ah i see |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
!up jdany_ |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
welcome. |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday << this being the tardpedia discussion on the topic. |
10:18 |
assbot |
Silver Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price. |
10:20 |
jdany_ |
Hey! |
10:20 |
jdany_ |
Thanks Tat |
10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
10:23 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.01, Best ask: 314.61, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 314.61, 24 hour volume: 38969.08891951, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 326.626642982 |
10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
a .5% spread heh. |
10:24 |
jdany_ |
I was wondering where some of the more active names were going... |
10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
so now you found it. |
10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the log should provide ample reading material to catch up. |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
also there's a dedicated search function |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!s tardstalk |
10:25 |
assbot |
30 results for 'tardstalk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tardstalk |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
can be used in pm with assbot as well. |
10:25 |
jdany_ |
Yep. So, do you guys stay active in Havelock - or are there other securities that I don't have exposure to |
10:26 |
thickasthieves |
none of us use havelock anymore really |
10:26 |
thickasthieves |
and the only securities woth consideration are probably on mpex |
10:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i think The20YearIRCloud uses it |
10:26 |
thickasthieves |
oh yeha |
10:26 |
thickasthieves |
RENT might be legit |
10:26 |
jdany_ |
Sour on Asicminer? |
10:26 |
thickasthieves |
although he did just lose a bunch of fiat for his fiat business |
10:27 |
thickasthieves |
me? |
10:27 |
thickasthieves |
i was sour for a long time on AM |
10:27 |
jdany_ |
I was speaking generally |
10:27 |
thickasthieves |
board didnt seem capable of fixing so i left |
10:27 |
jdany_ |
but, I assume you got shafted at some point with AM |
10:28 |
thickasthieves |
depends what you mean? did i sell all shares at absolute top, no? |
10:28 |
thickasthieves |
no. |
10:28 |
thickasthieves |
did i get skimmed for 90 or so shares lost in transfers, yes |
10:29 |
mats_cd03 |
ouch |
10:29 |
The20YearIRCloud |
HASH is doing well too |
10:29 |
jdany_ |
Everything with you happened very abruptly. |
10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
their retarded "we'll issue shares, but on glbse ; we'll keep the shares, but on our own ah-doc registry" was perhaps the most braindamaged piece of financial management ever displayed to the public. |
10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
it marginally beats even the wall street derps doing gauss copulae on excel spreadsheets |
10:30 |
mats_cd03 |
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/peter-thiel-wants-to-make-hackers-into-heroes.html lol |
10:30 |
assbot |
Peter Thiel Wants to Make Hackers Into Heroes -- NYMag |
10:30 |
jdany_ |
I figured you get fed up, dumped and bailed |
10:30 |
thickasthieves |
mp yeha it got to a point where there were too many unique open cases and balancing the transfer books was impossible |
10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"Name a science fiction movie in the last 25 years that shows technology in a positive light, says Peter Thiel << anything made in asia ? |
10:30 |
dub |
tbh 'they' have continue to display a good level of brain damage |
10:31 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The matrix |
10:31 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It showed technology in a positive light, humans were finally unable to destroy gaia |
10:31 |
jurov |
transcendence or how it was called was rather positive about tech |
10:31 |
thickasthieves |
jdany_ leaving AM (and all bitcoin securities dealings) was something that took a few mos to prep and execute |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
matrix ? nah. the us anti-intellectualism fully at work : technology as the magic of the evil, desocialised, psychopathic dr evil. |
10:32 |
thickasthieves |
Neo dying just expedited it |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"Tall and thin with close-cropped hair and ageless skin" what the motherfucking shit is wrong with these people. |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
who thinks anyone cares to hear about how thiel's skin is ?! |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
who reads nymag, nysexaddicts ?! |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
is this some sort of braindamged feminism run amok where they imagine that if they "microagress" the patriarchy by discussing thiel as if he were some made-to-fuck-once-and-discard popstarlet something's gonna happen ? |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean, something other than chuckles at their expense ? |
10:39 |
mats_cd03 |
elite worship is common |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
not in female terms. |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life. |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
because he's not a woman. |
10:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00074602 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2} |
10:44 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price. < way easier to default |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
if they end up defaulting because misjudged their strength and got head bit off by bitcoin i'll have the most satisfying wank conceivable by man |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i'll prolly have a special lotion designed for the experience. |
10:46 |
kakobrekla |
meh such default has zero weight |
10:48 |
kakobrekla |
(would love to be wrong here) |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ohohohoho notrly. while the abject selfdebasing of the highschool priss is exactly of zero practical weight, as there are more pleasant girls and better trained, so one'd never seriously use her for a direct purpose, |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless in amusement terms it's quite something. |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
all meta, kako. all meta. |
10:50 |
TheNewDeal |
;;market buy 10000 |
10:50 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 3875629.8332 USD and would take the last price up to 491.5800 USD, resulting in an average price of 387.5630 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0915 seconds |
10:50 |
TheNewDeal |
not bad |
10:50 |
The20YearIRCloud |
dang |
10:53 |
jurov |
what can usg default on? does it have any bitcoin-denominated debt yet? |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
the beauty of it all is that it does. |
10:55 |
jurov |
what one? |
10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
what one ?! |
11:00 |
jurov |
who borrowed btc to them? |
11:01 |
thickasthieves |
<+mircea_popescu> his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life. /// maybe the guy just had particularly distracting skin, probly not, but ive seen such before |
11:01 |
jurov |
*lent |
11:01 |
TheNewDeal |
jurov china, then they banned it ;) |
11:02 |
jurov |
not sure if serious..link? |
11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i am serious, it is not public knowledge either. |
11:02 |
thickasthieves |
i'm just waiting for bitcoin to ban china |
11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, just like the $ amt someone paid for their supposed stash is not public knowledge. |
11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves ain't happening. |
11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
and wh ywould it ? |
11:03 |
thickasthieves |
mostly joking |
11:04 |
thickasthieves |
but i do worry for people using their exchanges |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, they're chinese |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
they're used to being scammed. |
11:04 |
thickasthieves |
i guess exchange worry is universal |
11:05 |
* |
jurov digests the information |
11:05 |
thickasthieves |
diff is spiking now |
11:05 |
thickasthieves |
we got trolled |
11:05 |
thickasthieves |
;;estimate |
11:05 |
gribble |
Next difficulty estimate | 34976843352.0 based on data since last change | 37790971411.8 based on data for last three days |
11:07 |
TheNewDeal |
;;nethash |
11:07 |
gribble |
270522438.341 |
11:18 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Well this is nice, i didn't realize the controller for my kids quadcopter was a 2.4ghz device. It jams our home's wifi signal |
11:18 |
kakobrekla |
try switching channels |
11:19 |
The20YearIRCloud |
the router i believe switches channels automatically when there's a signal blocking it, i think the helicopter thing is just so leaky that it prevents the wifi sinal |
11:19 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Granted it's an easy fix - don't fly the helicopter inside |
11:20 |
TheNewDeal |
2.4gz doesnt penetrate walls? |
11:21 |
TheNewDeal |
I was going to say, tell him to fly it by your least favorite neighbor |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
hm this shouldn't really be possible, surprised they allowed the import |
11:23 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It does,but when we fly it outside there isn't any wifi interuption it sems |
11:23 |
The20YearIRCloud |
FCC doesn't actively monitor small devices |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
they still gotta get a cert to be allowed to import it. |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess someone somewhere be rubberstampin'. |
11:25 |
TheNewDeal |
can I bring this on an airplane and fuck with people? |
11:25 |
TheNewDeal |
or is that asking for trouble |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal not really in your best interest. if you manage to mess with the plane's comms you might even crash it |
11:31 |
mats_cd03 |
you're unlikely to get caught |
11:32 |
mircea_popescu |
yes well sometimes success is its own punishment. |
11:32 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier hey, can i get you to contribute an article to qntra ? |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen wywialm |
11:36 |
gribble |
wywialm was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <wywialm> Oh, yeah. In this we certainly agree |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell wywialm say when you're about. |
11:37 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen princessnell |
11:37 |
gribble |
princessnell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <princessnell> hey gang |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell princessnell say when you're about. |
11:37 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: -and- 'readline' !? << lulzy huh |
11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: chetty: you wrote bash bug?! <<< she'd better not have lol |
11:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, chet.ramey@case.edu aka 64EA74AB duly recorded. |
11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
mthreat: ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc <<< the opcost is the bigger problem there |
11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
a, right, your next line :) |
11:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6774 @ 0.00074611 = 5.0541 BTC [+] |
11:52 |
mats_cd03 |
heh |
11:52 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ticker |
11:52 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.0, Best ask: 284.94, Bid-ask spread: 2.94000, Last trade: 284.94, 24 hour volume: 48575.62049890, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 320.382021226 |
11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla: 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged << lulzy. |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band <<< seems a reasonable solution, really. emergency ham band requisition. what'd you have them do ? |
11:57 |
kakobrekla |
30k btc ask @ 300 on stamp O_o |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
dub: and system where an airliner falling out of teh sky ejects its passengers to be individually caught by bot swarm <<< from what i recall this is actually under commercial development. |
11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore << no, i noticed, left the guy a later tell. |
11:58 |
TheNewDeal |
damn 30k? |
11:59 |
TheNewDeal |
I would love to see some people take a few chomps at that |
11:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.80694984 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 418 satoshi per share |
12:00 |
kakobrekla |
;;market buy 10000 |
12:00 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2998710.2763 USD and would take the last price up to 300.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 299.8710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 33.2073 seconds |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ? |
12:01 |
kakobrekla |
;;market buy 30000 |
12:01 |
gribble |
Bitstamp | A market order to buy 30000 bitcoins right now would take 9007328.7238 USD and would take the last price up to 323.3100 USD, resulting in an average price of 300.2443 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 50.2833 seconds |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
whoa pankkake is back ?! |
12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
where you been yo. |
12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side << why not ? i'll just unwind it. the latest report actually says so, didja read it ? |
12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
12:02 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.15, Best ask: 292.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 292.0, 24 hour volume: 49356.65947835, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 318.060741075 |
12:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11972744 BTC to 15`436 shares, 7254 satoshi per share |
12:04 |
TheNewDeal |
very surprised litecoin isn't taking an accelerated nosedive |
12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
what holders remain are well shaken out. |
12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
not so in bitcoin. getting rid of the tardstalk/reddit/etc "community" and burning a bunch of "experts" is a fucking godsend, if they'll just stfu about it and move on to their next cool thing that'd be great. |
12:07 |
TheNewDeal |
Can't wait to see how quickly tim drapers coins get munched on bitstamp |
12:08 |
mircea_popescu |
!up R7R7 |
12:09 |
danielpbarron |
https://twitter.com/brianchoffman/status/518794820178169857 |
12:09 |
assbot |
/openbazaar How migrate from beta 1 to beta 2 ? |
12:09 |
TomServo |
;;bc,stats |
12:09 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 323984 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 56 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35100796468.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.26761 |
12:15 |
TheNewDeal |
Krugman trying to drive a few pageviews http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/the-long-cryptocon/?_php=true&_type=blogs&pagewanted=all&_r=0 |
12:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
12:24 |
ben_vulpes |
decimation: for the headbash author |
12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up knite |
12:27 |
PeterL |
mircea_popescu: have you found anything interesting to do with the huge amounts of cash held by MPIF? |
12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
12:28 |
PeterL |
should be a report out soon? |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
HODL!!!1 |
12:28 |
|
Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ |
12:35 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ticker |
12:35 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.0, Best ask: 284.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 284.0, 24 hour volume: 50063.36157078, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 315.736945727 |
12:37 |
|
Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,925. |
12:40 |
TheNewDeal |
and as quickly as the wall appeared, its gone |
12:41 |
asciilifeform |
ham band requisition << this works both ways, you know. |
12:41 |
asciilifeform |
and ham transmitter is typically far louder than that pocket-sized remote (see police film) |
12:42 |
asciilifeform |
so surveillance bot, turns out, is cured with easy pill... |
12:45 |
TheNewDeal |
is huobi volume considered legitimate, or were they included on the bucket-shop scam list? |
12:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
RENT's october dividend keeps looking better and better |
12:47 |
kakobrekla |
^^ |
12:49 |
kakobrekla |
whats next, up ninjaspamgun? |
12:52 |
TheNewDeal |
i've heard he's got a new entrepreneurship |
12:55 |
kakobrekla |
jurov 'singing' bash wasnt a typo :) |
12:56 |
jurov |
ohmy. remove me from the bash admin before i make bigger mess |
12:57 |
kakobrekla |
lol its fine |
12:57 |
kakobrekla |
its prolly not a good idea that all the filtering is left up to me |
12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what i mean is : if you had a stash of 1mn units using x hardcoded band, |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
wouldn't you think it more expedient to relocate some random sporadic ham stuff ? |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
cheaper. |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal no data atm. |
13:00 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls |
13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ << silkroad bet resolved and other considerations |
13:02 |
assbot |
The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov on it. |
13:05 |
TheNewDeal |
alas, resolution |
13:06 |
* |
kakobrekla opens an umbrella and prepares for shitstorm |
13:11 |
bounce |
ham bands work best when they're the same world-wide. also, ham operators are remarkably useful in SHTF situations, and otherwise are very little bother since they tend to know their stuff. so no, it's neither smart nor expedient to try and relocate them. much easier to not be assholes and play nice from the start. |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
13:13 |
* |
mircea_popescu knows little bout haming. |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes, the worldwide problem is the silver bullet here. |
13:21 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
$s |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
$conference |
13:32 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 12 days. Estimated cost today: 4.23973791 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) |
13:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00074495 = 1.1547 BTC [-] |
13:33 |
TheNewDeal |
price isn't pegged in bitcoin? |
13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. gives people an oppporunity to have fun |
13:37 |
Dimsler |
lol |
13:37 |
Dimsler |
begged in bitcoin |
13:37 |
Dimsler |
should be able to make this |
13:37 |
Dimsler |
argeninta in the spring is gorgeous |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
its pretty great all year through |
13:44 |
TheNewDeal |
pretty humid it looks like? https://weatherspark.com/averages/33323/Buenos-Aires-Capital-Federal-Argentina |
13:44 |
assbot |
Average Weather For Buenos Aires, Argentina - WeatherSpark |
13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i think about half of that comes in the form of extremely intense rain |
13:45 |
bounce |
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iran/daesh-document-disclose-plans-to-seize-iran-s-nuclear-secrets-1.1394455 -- too bad it doesn't tell why they think putin would go along with what they want |
13:45 |
assbot |
Daesh document disclose plans to seize Irans nuclear secrets | GulfNews.com |
13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
which you know... |
13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Guest46405 |
13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce putin doesn't understand how the world works. |
13:46 |
Apocalyptic |
he understood how Russia worked though |
13:47 |
bounce |
he doesn't? I see him make much better decisions (from his perspective) than either the EU or the US (from their respective perspectives) |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic it's a reference to this idiotic comment by some us derp or other |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google "putin doesn't understand how the world works" |
13:47 |
gribble |
Russian View: Why Putin Is Not Impressed | Wolf Street: <http://wolfstreet.com/2014/07/21/russian-point-of-view-new-sanctions-wont-impress-putin/>; Why America doesn't understand Putin - The Washington Post: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-america-doesnt-understand-putin/2014/03/14/81bc1cd6-a9f4-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html>; Has Putin pulled military back from (1 more message) |
13:47 |
Apocalyptic |
oh |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
o look at that. the derp in question was obama |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
whodda guessed. |
13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
you know who understands how the world works ? obama lmao. putin doesn't. |
13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
every single time they've met in the field the russian feed the kenyan's ass to him, but hey. |
13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
why let facts and scores get in the way of things. besides, scoring is raycist |
13:53 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ticker |
13:53 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 296.12, Bid-ask spread: 0.61000, Last trade: 295.5, 24 hour volume: 49890.61529527, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 342.15, 24 hour vwap: 313.35706663 |
13:59 |
danielpbarron |
one of the OpenBazaar guys said he'd send someone in here; that's what the tweet I linked to was about |
13:59 |
danielpbarron |
they are trying to make some sort of decentralized reputation system |
14:03 |
danielpbarron |
heard about them on freetalklive, a radio show I am beginning to suspect is run by government plants |
14:03 |
Dimsler |
lol |
14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron cool. |
14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
heh that 260 dollar btc bet guy's gonna be pretty pissed |
14:07 |
TheNewDeal |
I have a feeling that sub 300 is going to feel like a dream in about 1 week |
14:18 |
Dimsler |
lol |
14:18 |
Dimsler |
like the jackolantern market peaks in mid november |
14:21 |
danielpbarron |
;;rate ninjashogun 1 http://danielpbarron.com/ninjashogun.log.txt |
14:21 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ninjashogun has changed from -1 to 1. |
14:22 |
hanbot |
mircea_popescu re your latest, didja read the comments on that krugman abortion? no wonder he's all bitter and loath to detail, guy's own readergroup is throwing tomatoes by now. |
14:25 |
jurov |
danielpbarron did he brie you? |
14:25 |
jurov |
*bribe |
14:25 |
jurov |
otherwise i don't see there anything upworthy |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
hanbot that's actually interesting huh. |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
guy works as a stupid sifter that's not really dragging up that much stupid. |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov bribe like, with money ?! |
14:30 |
jurov |
in that log it is not said how |
14:31 |
jurov |
maybe ninja gives good bjs, whatcha know |
14:31 |
hanbot |
mircea_popescu it's like he's become his own LCD |
14:31 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> jurov bribe like, with money ?! < with the coins he got from daniel in the first place |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever. |
| |
↖ |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno how one is supposed to have an os without a pipe. ipads, winboxes, the whole shebang. how ? |
14:35 |
hanbot |
you use an h2o| and stop caring about getting anything done? |
14:36 |
jurov |
install an app for every little thing you want to do. oh and pay for the privilege. |
14:37 |
kakobrekla |
see now |
14:37 |
kakobrekla |
http://dpaste.com/3B6Z890.txt |
14:37 |
danielpbarron |
jurov, my rating doesn't grant voice at the moment |
14:37 |
kakobrekla |
what have you done! |
14:37 |
TheNewDeal |
he's pestering me as well |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla you hafta add a jukebox to assbot. |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot. |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone in chan can still !down of course. |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: learn to use your killfile. i did - when first met with mr. spam. |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: recall, i suggested this. |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
(with higher price, if i recall) |
14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
yup |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ideally it'd work on the powers of two. first time a week, 1 bitcent, then 2 4 8 etc |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
resets weekly |
14:39 |
jurov |
that would work better if voice could be resold |
14:40 |
jurov |
like btc gem :) |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
roflmao |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
one ponzi at a time plz. |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"it is unclear if bitcoin has any economic value", says nobel prize laureate. |
14:40 |
TheNewDeal |
what a troll |
14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
because totally, the fact that we can actually do the above now is not economical or valuable. |
14:43 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: re: usg wasted another hundred million... << if they can't power the waterfall with debt, they'll power it with plundered btc (as being done now, at least as suggested by the publicly known facts.) |
14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, but the plundering has a larger cost to them than to us. |
14:43 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i can't even imagine who would be dumb enough to lend btc to usg, considering the gold obligations affair |
14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
because they have to keep selling us the proceeds of their selftheft below market. |
14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform everyone accounting in dollars. |
14:44 |
decimation |
re: ham bands << the point is that the 'law' already gave those frequencies to the hams, except when it would inconvenience a company to redesign the product |
14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
it's actually a better deal in dollars than to hold on btc. |
14:44 |
decimation |
although if you read the fine print, the police bot is technical secondary to the ham |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
when usg sets off a bomb in iraqanistan, the metal, trotyl, guidance circuits - are also 'sold' and 'below market' also. |
14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
as the obligation to repay btc held on the usg is actually going to increase somewhat faster than the btc itself |
14:44 |
decimation |
so it would actually be legal to blast it off the air |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
do they give a damn? |
14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
but there's no bomb here. |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i pointed this out earlier, yes |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
when they give the tanks to isis, they give them. |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the model. |
14:45 |
* |
asciilifeform gets it |
14:45 |
asciilifeform |
and i suspect usg also gets it. they're banking on just one hope, killing btc somehow through stampede |
14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
it's one of those win-win/lose-lose scenarios. basically they're cutting their herds to drown us in blood |
14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
easier to sit on a ledge than to replace the cattle. |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass. |
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14:48 |
decimation |
it would be interesting to try to trace the btc in the sr stash |
14:48 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: it was washed in the most elementary way |
14:48 |
TheNewDeal |
I looked up the stashes today |
14:48 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i.e. traded for a slightly smaller quantity of 'clean' |
14:48 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: in meatspace. |
14:49 |
decimation |
heh the treasury dept. using otc? |
14:49 |
bounce |
apparently it was mr. reid who thought putin doesn't understand how the world works: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2014-03-27/html/CREC-2014-03-27-pt1-PgS1781-6.htm |
14:49 |
assbot |
Congressional Record, Volume 160 Issue 49 (Thursday, March 27, 2014) |
14:50 |
decimation |
well, someone is 'renting' all those miners for over the expected return |
14:50 |
decimation |
there's alot of btc that wants to be washed |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce oh was it ? |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
tyvm for doing the digging. |
14:52 |
decimation |
personally I find it far more likely that some big bank/'investment house' is doing usg's bidding in exchange for future favors from usg |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the allegation. |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
hence "agents" |
14:53 |
asciilifeform |
in what way are these folks meaningfully separate entities from usg? |
14:53 |
decimation |
yes, usg is still responsible. |
14:53 |
decimation |
many in the us are easily confused on this point |
14:54 |
decimation |
they think they bank with some local bank, not the fed/fdic/whatever |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
qui facit per alium facit per se and all that. |
14:54 |
TheNewDeal |
all the biggest banks are in bed with the fed anyways |
14:55 |
decimation |
TheNewDeal: that's the point, thus the usg is responsible for their actions, as mp just wrote |
14:55 |
bounce |
pffft. they /are/ the fed. it's not actually an usg institution. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
in a sense, thinking about it... the usg problems come down to a poor implementation of the pipe. |
14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
that thing's a lot more fundamental than usually given credit for |
14:55 |
decimation |
'the pipe'? |
14:55 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the pipe - is everything. (hence my crackpot pushing of dataflow as replacement for von neumann computation, etc) |
14:56 |
bounce |
lay down the pipe and open a window. slowly! |
14:56 |
asciilifeform |
von neumann's basic problem is a terrifically bad implementation of the ordinary pipe concept. |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2014#859729 and by sheer coincidence http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2014#859774 |
14:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-10-2014 18:32:30; mircea_popescu: i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever. |
14:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 05-10-2014 18:47:24; mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass. |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
these actually merge. |
14:56 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/05/finding-your-life-purpose-isnt-your-path-to-improving-the-world-survival-is/ |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i am starting to comprehend this. |
14:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: all of my heresies are in fact in one strand. this is how i ended up 'drinking the spittoon.' |
14:57 |
asciilifeform |
!s the spittoon |
14:57 |
assbot |
3 results for 'the spittoon' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+spittoon |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
in fact, if you get the pipe right, it doesn't even actually matter if you get anything else right |
14:57 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
in this perspective, the blockchain is the major point of bitcoin |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
which happens to be correct, and peripherally a point i've oft made, say how "bitcoin is not the derps" |
14:58 |
decimation |
I was thinking about this last night. How can you be certain that your hvac control pipe is not connected to the self-destruct thermite bomb pipe? |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation hm? |
14:59 |
decimation |
if they are both connected to the same von neumann machine (or network of such machines) you can't be certain |
14:59 |
decimation |
in the sense that you can check that they are physically unconnected |
14:59 |
decimation |
with your own eyes |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i think these live on different abstraction levels |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
difficult to work with naked eye on microelectronics. |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
of whatever kind. |
15:00 |
decimation |
it's difficult to inspect the usg/fed's actions with the naked eye |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
depends whose. |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
macro events are visible, and the forest-for-trees problem is something one can approach with training and talent |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
micro events however are invisible. |
15:02 |
decimation |
I suspect parts of usg/its agents are working against each other |
15:04 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ticker |
15:04 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 310.08, Best ask: 314.48, Bid-ask spread: 4.40000, Last trade: 314.48, 24 hour volume: 53465.06436516, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 308.337573196 |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/bitcoin-to-drop-under-260-before-november/ |
15:06 |
assbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 1.04 B (95%) on Yes, 0.06 B (5%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 98`674 (100`000 to 1) |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess this is a hot bet now ? |
15:07 |
decimation |
re: pipes http://rt.com/news/191132-belgium-build-beer-pipe/ "An underground pipeline carrying 5,700 liters of beer an hour will be built in Belgium’s historic city of Bruges. A family-owned brewery will pump beer direct to a bottling plant in the suburbs to cut the number of trucks on ancient cobbled streets." |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
pipes as in beer! |
15:07 |
TheNewDeal |
so does a new beer just flush out the old? |
15:07 |
TheNewDeal |
would be interesting to taste the inbetween state |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i imagine if that thing's in use for a few centuries the bugs living in the pipe will be pretty wow. |
15:08 |
mthreat |
my friend owns beer.net. maybe it'll be worth more now! |
15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
as it gives motility a major incentive |
15:09 |
* |
asciilifeform was greatly surprised to learn that one can buy nitric acid on 'amazon' and similar. |
15:09 |
decimation |
I suspect they would have to flush the beer pipe regularly |
15:09 |
* |
asciilifeform thought it was verb0t3n by order of tehFuhrer |
15:09 |
TheNewDeal |
might find a couple street bums trapped in there too |
15:09 |
joecool |
asciilifeform: is it eligible for prime delivery? |
15:09 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
15:11 |
decimation |
oh noes, terrorists are going to be HNO3 off of amazon to make TNT? |
15:11 |
TheNewDeal |
maybe some heavy water as well |
15:11 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: heavy water comes for free out of your faucet. |
15:12 |
asciilifeform |
(all you need to do is separate...) |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
well so does nitric acid |
15:17 |
TheNewDeal |
http://dpaste.com/1RG8SQP |
15:17 |
assbot |
dpaste: 1RG8SQP: spamgun, by tnd |
15:17 |
asciilifeform |
lulz |
15:20 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/AliTahmizian/status/518840043616878592 |
15:20 |
assbot |
GRAPHIC: Islamic State fighter w/ head of female Kurdish fighter after entering Kobani. US strikes did 0 to halt them http://t.co/IfdbZEXpkZ |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
lol, usa uniform! |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta say i lub the kurdish chicks |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd be very curious to see first hand if the us based, usg fed "feminists" in the us would actually pick a rifle and a picket, when it comes to it. |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
at the rate things are going, this curiosity looks likely to be satisfied. |
15:24 |
asciilifeform |
how many will afford pointy stick, much less rifle. |
15:24 |
asciilifeform |
or is the hypothetical one involving a 20th c. style army, which equips paupers ? |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
kurdistan is in the 20th century now ? |
15:26 |
asciilifeform |
re: usa |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
bitches better be resourceful, what is this $1200 a month retainer talk ? |
15:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd << unrelated but very useful |
15:28 |
assbot |
Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki |
15:29 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price. << lol! those causes. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
15:30 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 309.11, Best ask: 309.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 308.83, 24 hour volume: 55108.92934427, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 308.259223839 |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
aww. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google but thanks for all the fishes |
15:30 |
gribble |
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_Long,_and_Thanks_for_All_the_Fish>; So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish Quotes by Douglas Adams: <https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3078120-so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish>; So Long and Thanks for all the Fish - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs> |
15:37 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: thanks for that gentoo -systemd tip. it would be handy to make a systemd-free linux box |
15:38 |
pete_dushenski |
;;nethash |
15:38 |
gribble |
279970409.457 |
15:38 |
pete_dushenski |
decent. |
15:53 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/sassenvanelsloo/status/518831715062910976 |
15:53 |
assbot |
Capitalism does not work? Well.... http://t.co/LmBncfiu9t |
15:54 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 50(Y):50(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 98,278. |
15:54 |
pete_dushenski |
and with that, i'm off to enjoy the last of this beautiful weather! |
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16:11 |
TheNewDeal |
another wall, eh |
16:20 |
Dimsler |
will you stop with the play by play market updates |
16:20 |
TheNewDeal |
will do |
16:27 |
decimation |
;;ticker |
16:27 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.69, Best ask: 308.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.23000, Last trade: 308.69, 24 hour volume: 56551.21451831, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 307.191985978 |
16:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00074411 = 22.3233 BTC [-] {2} |
16:40 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: saauce is easy to find, here's one http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/when-the-bourne-shell-found-its-identity.html |
16:40 |
assbot |
An Interview With Chet Ramey – Maintainer Of Bash Shell - nixCraft |
16:40 |
decimation |
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/technology/security-experts-expect-shellshock-software-bug-to-be-significant.html "Mr. Ramey said in an interview on Thursday that he believed he inadvertently introduced Shellshock in a new Bash feature in 1992, though he could not be sure because back then he was not keeping comprehensive logs. " |
16:40 |
assbot |
Log In - The New York Times |
16:49 |
decimation |
he has a blog too http://chetramey.blogspot.com/ "An outspoken progressive in a conservative community." |
16:49 |
assbot |
Ramblings |
16:50 |
decimation |
note to young 'progressive' 'open source' coders: you have swallowed the kool-aid. If you actually want to make a difference and not end up like Mr. Ramey, please focus on the pipes, from the silicon up. |
16:54 |
Shakespeare |
<+mircea_popescu> thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ? /// well, i'll start with the moon: just buy bitfinex and offer the whole shebang! otherwise, just would be nice to trade somewhere more private, transparent and trustworthy. The product could be options, |
16:54 |
Shakespeare |
futures, and margin and leverage would be nice too. |
16:56 |
Shakespeare |
yay on the SR auction bet resolution! |
17:00 |
Shakespeare |
i knew a ham radio enthusiast, he's a free mason now |
17:01 |
los_pantalones |
Shakespeare what kind of size would you trade? |
17:01 |
los_pantalones |
if you had those facilities ? |
17:01 |
TheNewDeal |
size of option? |
17:01 |
decimation |
Shakespeare: ham radio has its share of whackos |
17:02 |
los_pantalones |
how many btc / day |
17:04 |
Shakespeare |
<+mircea_popescu> guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot. // might be on to something there |
17:04 |
Shakespeare |
i bet it attracts more chatters than not |
17:05 |
Shakespeare |
good way to offset the chill factor from !up |
17:07 |
kakobrekla |
1 satoshi per char for all so everyone will shut the fuck up! |
17:08 |
bounce |
hmno. initially I'd say as long as it isn't the only way. but you'd get peddlers expecting to be heard for their money. you know, query floods, rageddos, etc. |
17:11 |
Shakespeare |
so we !down them |
17:11 |
Shakespeare |
every !down puts 10satoshi debt on their wot |
17:12 |
Shakespeare |
3 !downs and your get assbot negrate |
17:12 |
bounce |
think about it. suppose you're neither l1 or l2, and you stick money in it. you start your valuable because costly pitch. then someone puts the !down on you. |
17:12 |
kakobrekla |
uppers dont have wot |
17:12 |
Shakespeare |
yes they do |
17:12 |
Shakespeare |
thats also a requirment |
17:12 |
Shakespeare |
to self up |
17:13 |
Shakespeare |
the satoshi getsthem the posrate |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
buy bitfinex ?! no ty. |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i wouldn't take it for free, as it happens. |
17:13 |
Shakespeare |
also, i'm not saying we'd have to change |
17:13 |
Shakespeare |
we could still up people whenever we want |
17:13 |
bounce |
you're fired up because you want to pitch, and you get rebuffed. gone investment, gone good monies! rage! and it goes downhill from there. -- there's an implied promise with this idea that I'm not happy with. |
17:14 |
Shakespeare |
mp, at least that gives you an idea of where i stand though |
17:14 |
Shakespeare |
i know you wouldnt buy them |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
uh... you stand on bitfinex ? lol k, so you buy it. |
17:14 |
Shakespeare |
but i'm saying plz replace them |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
what else should i replace ? |
17:14 |
dub |
holy wall |
17:14 |
Shakespeare |
everything that suz |
17:14 |
Shakespeare |
x |
17:14 |
bounce |
what, a retail exchange? |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe i should replace obama, but in such a way as to make the usg work the way you want it to ? |
17:14 |
Shakespeare |
it's your job! |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
things work the way they work. |
17:14 |
decimation |
yeah do that |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
change so that's the way you want them to work. |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
i ain't helping you. |
17:15 |
Shakespeare |
tss |
17:15 |
bounce |
then replace obamaman for the social justice angle |
17:15 |
Shakespeare |
i aint asking for the world, you used to offer option after all |
17:15 |
kakobrekla |
draper wall |
17:16 |
Shakespeare |
options& |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
mpex options never worked as this popularly delusional "engine to turn derpage into monyz/social relevance" |
17:16 |
Shakespeare |
sry i'm not sober, went to my first football game |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
that a bunch of sites promise to do this has everything to do with the promising and nothing to do with the delivering. |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
that the derps in question will take something that "maybe" will deliver them the impossible, rather than something that makes it plain it ain't happening is entirely their problem. |
17:17 |
Shakespeare |
what are you on about? how is trading BTC against USD about social relevance and derpage? |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
im not in the business of making sites which "maybe" will make random joe blow rich. |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
bitfinex is not trading anything. |
17:17 |
Shakespeare |
i'm not talking about bfx |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
then im confused. |
17:17 |
Shakespeare |
the premise here was wishing mpex had a way to trade against USD |
17:18 |
Shakespeare |
so i wouldnt have to play where i play |
17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
serious problems with usd delivery. |
17:18 |
kakobrekla |
you can trade otc with optional delivery |
17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
unfortunately. |
17:19 |
los_pantalones |
hence my inquiry into how much you would trade? |
17:20 |
TheNewDeal |
how about bitbet? |
17:20 |
bounce |
what, options on bitbet outcomes? |
17:20 |
Shakespeare |
well that's private los_pantalones |
17:21 |
TheNewDeal |
no. options on bitstamp prices, etc |
17:21 |
Shakespeare |
i shouldnt have to say |
17:21 |
los_pantalones |
it's not worth my time if it would be <100 / week |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
17:21 |
kakobrekla |
i have in the past dumped coins to sturles and left fiat waiting with him for some months before i decided to repurchase/get fiat |
17:21 |
los_pantalones |
but otherwise i can offer you those facilities |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
Shakespeare dude you're something else. "o someone should build a car with wings" "Would you buy one if built ?" "i shouldn't have to say" |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
you're spending too much time with redditards. |
17:22 |
Shakespeare |
well in mpex i didnt have to sat |
17:22 |
Shakespeare |
i paid entry fee |
17:22 |
Shakespeare |
that was my qualification |
17:22 |
decimation |
!t m x.eur |
17:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 (459 shares, 1.21 BTC) |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones so charge the man an entry fee. |
17:22 |
los_pantalones |
how much is mpex these days ? |
17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
still 30. |
17:23 |
TheNewDeal |
basically what an option is, an adequately priced entry fee |
17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation oddly the fully delivered euro future never got very much volumne, historically. |
17:23 |
kakobrekla |
euro market is dead |
17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno if the requirements to take delivery were too cumbersome or wtf exactly. |
17:23 |
decimation |
seems like euros are good enough for anyone wanting to trade fiat |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, yeah, i guess the bitbet bets are probably the cheapest/most open avenue at the moment. |
17:25 |
decimation |
obviously the dude is unfamiliar with engineering stuff. it's quite customary to ask for development costs up front, on the assumption that several will be bought |
17:25 |
justusranvier |
mircea_popescu: What's gntra? |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier qntra. http://qntra.net/ |
17:26 |
assbot |
Qntra.net - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
this maybe coindesk killer. |
17:26 |
kakobrekla |
cuntra? |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much |
17:27 |
Shakespeare |
the qntra blaw should be called uuddlrlrbastart |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
"It would be interesting, that is, to ask Coulter about the reflex of lying thats now sutured into the modern conservative movements DNAand to get her candid assessment of why conservative leaders treat their constituents like suckers." |
17:27 |
Shakespeare |
blawg* |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con << dude the libtard periphery press is awesome |
17:28 |
assbot |
The Long Con - The Baffler |
17:28 |
justusranvier |
I have a long backlog of articles I want to write |
17:28 |
decimation |
maybe they can sign up Mr. Ramey as a guest author |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier so hammer one out an' send it over. |
17:29 |
justusranvier |
I mostly do editorials, not news |
17:30 |
TheNewDeal |
drapers trying his damndest to get his coin back http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/bitcoin-to-drop-under-260-before-november/#b3 |
17:30 |
assbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 1.04 B (50%) on Yes, 1.06 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 97`477 (100`000 to 1) |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier that was the idea, give it a little editorial anchor |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal seems bout even neh ? |
17:32 |
decimation |
I find it hilarious that the lefties in the us keep raising the fear that 'evil republicans will raise money to buy elections' while failing to notice that the lefties receive 'in-kind' contributions from us media worth $bns |
17:32 |
TheNewDeal |
draper put down 1 on yes, trying to recoup with wall |
17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation that is not accountable!!!1 |
17:33 |
justusranvier |
I'll see what I can do. Won't be tonight because I've got to go producea couple videos |
17:33 |
decimation |
yeah basically it's 'oh noes they might manipulate the masses like we do!' |
17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, the entire "thief screaming thief" and "consumate liar discussing other's dna-sutured bla bla" is rather amusing |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier doesn't have to be tonight. wait, you produce video too ?! |
17:34 |
justusranvier |
We've started to publish talks from our Bitcoin meetups to YouTube |
17:35 |
justusranvier |
by "produce" I mean I set up the Hangout on Air |
17:35 |
justusranvier |
Tonight is bitstien giving a #bitcoin-otc and GPG contracts tutorial, followed by yamamushi demoing his "filesharing over bitmessage" app |
17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
17:36 |
decimation |
apparently nixcon actually considered denying the "RF broadcast licenses" of political enemies: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373218/following-trail-nixon-blazed-victor-davis-hanson -- last time I heard someone slightly right-wing come up with a winning strategy |
17:36 |
assbot |
Following the Trail Nixon Blazed | National Review Online |
17:36 |
decimation |
nixcon is a hilarious typo |
17:37 |
justusranvier |
tomorrow is the daniel krawisz reviewing Nick Szebo's "Shelling Out" as a money origin theory |
17:38 |
Shakespeare |
no complaints about the SR bet resolution it seems |
17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation there's an entire conspiracy theory built on the premise that it was really because of the rf thing that the "left" "set him up" |
17:38 |
Shakespeare |
though coindesk is SEOing http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/#c4105 |
17:38 |
assbot |
BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 months 1 week ago |
17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
much like the more aged libtards today are rewriting the story of clinton's lauhgable gullibiility/idiocy in terms of "hysteria" |
17:39 |
decimation |
they certainly had means, motive and opportunity |
17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
because yea, totally, not being able to tell the nation to go fuck itself and mind its own business on live tv is everyone else's fault but the president's. |
17:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.14639999 = 1.0248 BTC [+] {3} |
17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
!up veox |
17:40 |
decimation |
heh yeah, the biggest weakness of the presidency is an inability to admit that it sucks |
17:43 |
Shakespeare |
so, would a huge ask order like this be allowed in US markets, or do they have rules about it? |
17:43 |
bounce |
apparently darpa doesn't want just model checking, rather executable encryption that is not encryption: http://www.networkworld.com/article/2691617/ https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&id=a303af332a90b1e84fdb91d7dd382396 |
17:43 |
assbot |
DARPA delving into the black art of super secure software obfuscation | Network World |
17:43 |
assbot |
Opportunities - Federal Business Opportunities: Opportunities |
17:43 |
decimation |
you can't even move more than $10k in the us without usg permission |
17:44 |
Shakespeare |
well on stock exchanges you certainly can |
17:44 |
decimation |
sure, inside the account |
17:44 |
Shakespeare |
i'm just wondering if they have rules about manipulative orders |
17:44 |
TheNewDeal |
just try to get your hands on it |
17:44 |
bounce |
without inviting them to sue you on the spot, you mean. you don't get permission, you incriminate yourself and they may or may not persecute you for it. |
17:44 |
decimation |
try moving $50k from your brokerage to your checking account in less than a few days |
17:45 |
Shakespeare |
i moved $30k a few weeks ago, they just made me respond to a message |
17:45 |
decimation |
it's true you can move it quickly with a wire |
17:45 |
decimation |
but I guarantee a notice went to the bank's regulator |
17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
Shakespeare the rule is you can't put up orders you don't intend to go through. |
17:45 |
TheNewDeal |
the question is interesting though. What would the rules be on creating a wall that wasnt executed |
17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
other than that, you can put up whatever walls you wish. |
17:46 |
Shakespeare |
decimation, no notice is needed, exchange files 1099 |
17:47 |
decimation |
http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/aml_history.html Bank Secrecy Act (1970) Required banks to (1) report cash transactions over $10,000 using the Currency Transaction Report; (2) properly identify persons conducting transactions; and (3) maintain a paper trail by keeping appropriate records of financial transactions |
17:47 |
assbot |
History of Anti-Money Laundering Laws |
17:47 |
decimation |
whether a 'wire' counts as cash is up to usg of course |
17:48 |
Shakespeare |
yeah either way, it's not money you can hide |
17:48 |
Shakespeare |
exchange reports your income anywya |
17:49 |
Shakespeare |
i bet coinbase & circle will be this way |
17:49 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/is-this-3rd-time-lucky-for-andreas-m-antonopoulos/ |
17:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00124361 = 1.2436 BTC [-] {7} |
17:49 |
decimation |
yeah in general dealing in dollars means dealing with usg |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
no "will" involved. |
17:50 |
decimation |
usd is the original altcoin, afterall |
17:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.0018875 = 0.9438 BTC [-] {15} |
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18:28 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, no forum posts to report and prob won't be going forward seeing this qntra thing has legs |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
righ |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
t |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
"central to the right-wing appeal for generations: that liberalism is a species of madness" |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
dude they've got it i swear. that's exactly what the problem is with libertards. their preferred ideology is a species of madness. |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
!up blast |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!up xor-freenet |
18:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45813 @ 0.00074302 = 34.04 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
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18:58 |
cazalla |
well, that guy from ccn responded |
18:59 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-4 |
18:59 |
assbot |
CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But News |
| |
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19:24 |
oglafbot |
http://oglaf.com/chauncey/ |
19:24 |
assbot |
Chauncey, Earl of Gloom |
| |
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19:49 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/silk-road-lawyers-challenge-justice-department-leaky-captcha-theory/ |
19:50 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Yeah I was looking for a color that made the hyperlink blue header look good. Solving the Header problem may be more productive than the experiment of cycling all of the background colors |
20:03 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, i think it's ok for the time being tbh |
20:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Fair |
20:14 |
justusranvier |
https://twitter.com/TxbtcFrontier/status/518915067757469697 |
20:14 |
assbot |
Starting now: https://t.co/V2sF34oeNG |
20:16 |
cazalla |
cool, wat ching |
20:17 |
Duffer_ |
who's the guy talking atm? |
20:17 |
cazalla |
not sure but he calls mircea_popescu mursaya |
20:17 |
Duffer_ |
yea hehe |
20:18 |
cazalla |
lol doge licking its balls on camera |
20:19 |
dignork |
it's bitstein i'd guess |
20:21 |
TheNewDeal |
justusranvier who is this |
| |
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20:37 |
justusranvier |
The last one was bitstien |
20:37 |
justusranvier |
Now we have yamamushi: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cqukfsatq308s00qdhggkp6oegg |
20:40 |
TheNewDeal |
why isn't this just one stream? |
20:43 |
bitstein |
TIL how to actually pronounce Mircea. |
20:43 |
TheNewDeal |
yamamaushi found Satoshi!?!? |
20:44 |
dignork |
TheNewDeal: no, other dude who invented bitcoin before him |
20:44 |
TheNewDeal |
is that a joke? |
20:46 |
dignork |
no, pretty vanilla, Satoshi refered to previous works, hashcash for example, might call it real bitcoin inventor for example :) |
20:46 |
BingoBoingo |
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kATayK5N--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/rwi4zk7yyxgya1jpgx4v.jpg |
20:49 |
cazalla |
!up pyre |
20:49 |
cazalla |
!up pyre |
20:49 |
TheNewDeal |
you're right, hashcash was obviously bitcoin |
20:50 |
cazalla |
pyre, here ya go http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets do it already |
20:50 |
assbot |
first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] |
20:54 |
danielpbarron |
;;later tell bitstein you demonstrated gpg on an online machine at a meetup?? with your actual key??? |
20:55 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Sad say http://bigstory.ap.org/article/22931ec39fd04b768dbfcc5aab24413b/ousted-haitian-dictator-jean-claude-duvalier-dies |
20:57 |
assbot |
Ousted Haitian dictator, Jean-Claude Duvalier dies |
20:57 |
dignork |
danielpbarron: well, it was really low-res, and only a pub-key |
20:57 |
justusranvier |
The two streams because it means the videos are automagically seperate |
20:57 |
danielpbarron |
dignork, so? |
20:57 |
justusranvier |
TheNewDeal: ^ |
20:59 |
TheNewDeal |
Did Al Gore invent the internet? |
20:59 |
dignork |
;;gpg info bitstein |
20:59 |
gribble |
User 'bitstein', with keyid 1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, fingerprint 2CEA814804FCF14D9C1AE8EA1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sat May 24 16:06:12 2014, last authed on Sun Oct 5 20:42:25 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=bitstein . Currently not authenticated. |
20:59 |
dignork |
danielpbarron: if this is his key, it's public anyway ^ |
21:00 |
danielpbarron |
the fact that he'd decrypt a message with his key on an online, os x, machine is already bad -- then he goes on to show others this insecure method to initiates |
21:01 |
danielpbarron |
-others // it's bad for Bitcoin |
21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
MSG Shakers at Restaurant tables, 'Murica https://twitter.com/Missionstfood/status/518132336181780480/photo/1 |
21:03 |
assbot |
Authenticity option now available at MCF SF. /davidchang /hashtag/hospitality?src=hash http://t.co/JbYrdnf8x2 |
21:03 |
danielpbarron |
it shouldn't be that difficult to demonstrate an offline setup, which is the experience new users should become accustomed with -- especially the kind of people who already think they are hip to crypto |
21:06 |
danielpbarron |
wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions |
21:06 |
BingoBoingo |
!up jborkl |
21:07 |
TheNewDeal |
that was quite hilarious |
21:07 |
dignork |
well, you need two computers for that, or hardware crypto gadget (cardano is not there yet) |
21:07 |
jborkl |
Rough weekend for the price |
21:07 |
danielpbarron |
so? is it not possible to do without cardano? |
21:08 |
dignork |
possible ofcourse, two machines, cumbersome presentation |
21:09 |
danielpbarron |
well, the presentation is incomplete without such a demonstration |
21:09 |
BingoBoingo |
jborkl: Well, for someone the next few years are going to be rougher than the price as of late |
21:09 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
21:09 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.98, Best ask: 299.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 66795.52283458, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 306.021103061 |
21:10 |
danielpbarron |
lest the noobs in the audience go home and actually use their key in such an insecure manner |
21:11 |
dignork |
danielpbarron: well, most crypto-related presentation i've seen did not include faraday cage, while some would say it was a flaw, I'm just assuming "omitted for clarity" |
21:11 |
danielpbarron |
for the sake of argument that it is too cumbersome, he stilled used his real key |
21:12 |
xanthyos |
dude $305 |
21:12 |
jborkl |
Bingoboingo, you think the price will continue sliding? Or nfi |
21:12 |
xanthyos |
so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction |
21:13 |
BingoBoingo |
jborkl: Well at some point it will stop sliding |
21:13 |
* |
xanthyos is always left holding the bag |
21:13 |
TheNewDeal |
I know dimsler won't like this, but the wall has returned |
21:13 |
jborkl |
Heh true.. |
21:14 |
TheNewDeal |
#wallwatch |
21:15 |
thickasthieves |
hehe, people are eating the wall |
21:16 |
TheNewDeal |
love it |
21:16 |
TheNewDeal |
might have to take a bite |
21:16 |
thickasthieves |
such angel whale |
21:16 |
dub |
touch the furry wall |
21:16 |
thickasthieves |
$300 coins for all! |
21:17 |
TheNewDeal |
News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment" |
21:18 |
dub |
but he's been into bitcoin since 2000 |
21:19 |
mod6 |
heheh |
21:20 |
thickasthieves |
btce is above stamp now |
21:20 |
thickasthieves |
dem pesky 5%s |
21:21 |
TheNewDeal |
yes I'm curious why the whale is on stamp exclusively |
21:21 |
thickasthieves |
to be fair there are big wallers everywhere |
21:21 |
thickasthieves |
stamp might be chosen because no margin |
21:21 |
TheNewDeal |
no margin ? |
21:22 |
dub |
stamp is the new gox |
21:22 |
dub |
its where teh speculation forum is looking |
21:22 |
thickasthieves |
well on bitfinex you can buy 3.3:1 |
21:22 |
TheNewDeal |
oh I gotcha |
21:22 |
thickasthieves |
and there are like 10k or so btc shorted that need to be covered there |
21:22 |
xanthyos |
stroke the furry walls |
21:23 |
TheNewDeal |
suprised that they didn't just bump it up like 1$ after 5k buys or whatever |
21:23 |
thickasthieves |
12,000+ shorts actually |
21:23 |
thickasthieves |
well the guy has been selling for days |
21:23 |
xanthyos |
russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin |
21:23 |
thickasthieves |
maybe months |
21:24 |
thickasthieves |
really all this funkiness started just before the SR auction |
21:24 |
thickasthieves |
we bubbled in May |
21:24 |
dub |
I dont think wallguy is a seller |
21:24 |
thickasthieves |
went flat |
21:24 |
thickasthieves |
then down down down for mos |
21:25 |
thickasthieves |
ok ok we sound like reddites now |
21:25 |
thickasthieves |
fun times tho |
21:27 |
TheNewDeal |
please do explain dub |
21:28 |
TheNewDeal |
they're just in the process of eating up coins? |
21:29 |
dub |
ask reddit |
21:31 |
mircea_popescu |
<cazalla> well, that guy from ccn responded << which ? |
21:31 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, Kyle Torpey, the one that went on keiser spruiking auroracoin, ethereum etc |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
oh lol |
21:32 |
mircea_popescu |
how is he "from cnn" again ? i forget. |
21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/chauncey/ <<< angry owlchick is pretty hawt |
21:33 |
assbot |
Chauncey, Earl of Gloom |
21:33 |
cazalla |
ccn as in cryptocoinsnews |
21:33 |
dub |
you have your irrelevant news outlets transposed |
21:33 |
cazalla |
^^ |
21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, wut? |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal: Did Al Gore invent the internet? << no but if the darpa derps were satoshi-minded they'd probably have referenced some pacific islanders as their inspiration just ot mess with people. |
21:38 |
TheNewDeal |
:D |
21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron: -others // it's bad for Bitcoin << i doubt the airgapped bitcoin machine is all that common. |
21:38 |
dub |
could be why they got the coolest 2ld (co.ck) |
21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
cu.nt is cooler than di.ck |
21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron: wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions << you purist you. |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal: News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment" << i wouldn't be worried about that, he's served the golden toilet empire, he's coming back. |
21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
shit, romney is still around. why'd draper go away. |
21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
dub: its where teh speculation forum is looking << this, pretty much. |
21:54 |
dub |
dat nick |
22:05 |
TheNewDeal |
;;ident nezzario |
22:05 |
gribble |
Nick 'nezzario', with hostmask 'nezZario!~nez@unaffiliated/nezzario', is not identified. |
22:14 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/american-green-to-continue-bitcoin-vending-machine-rollout/ |
22:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 165 @ 0.01025554 = 1.6922 BTC [-] {3} |
22:30 |
TheNewDeal |
;;nethash |
22:30 |
gribble |
280343971.467 |
22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!up parfait |
| |
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22:54 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ticker |
22:54 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 69682.98346975, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 305.387793681 |
22:54 |
ben_vulpes |
was that 30k ask real life? |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
our good friends the suckers of america running out. |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
hm maybe i misspelled "the people" |
22:56 |
Dimsler |
the ask was/is fake |
22:56 |
Dimsler |
it stopped the sell off |
22:56 |
Dimsler |
trading penny stock basics |
22:56 |
Dimsler |
he set the market and waited for a challenger |
22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler the wall was on the sell side. |
22:56 |
Dimsler |
correct |
22:57 |
Dimsler |
but its premise could be to market make |
22:58 |
Dimsler |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_maker |
22:58 |
assbot |
Market maker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
22:59 |
Dimsler |
i used to do this on cavritex |
22:59 |
mats_cd03 |
lol |
22:59 |
Dimsler |
lol |
22:59 |
mats_cd03 |
a wiki article |
22:59 |
ben_vulpes |
i... |
23:00 |
Dimsler |
right, what else did you want? |
23:00 |
Apocalyptic |
Dimsler, you're aware that here wikipedia is not particularly regarded as a worthy source of information ? |
23:01 |
Dimsler |
look |
23:01 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/mpif-fmpif-september-2014-statement/ |
23:01 |
Dimsler |
i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them |
23:01 |
* |
ben_vulpes rotates head 180deg |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/law-3 << not a bad read, this. |
23:01 |
assbot |
Three Years on Rikers Without Trial |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder how many russians and how many chinese citizens are in prison for 3 years without a trial. |
23:01 |
Dimsler |
is this the black kid that they forgot about? |
23:02 |
Dimsler |
yeah i know |
23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
but something tells me that per capita, the us is like the worst human rights offender in africa |
23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
certainly not part of the first world. |
23:02 |
Dimsler |
the majority of the five eyes are human rights tramplers |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
<Dimsler> i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them << well the notion that market makers are a topic on which wikipedia has something to impart here.... okay :) |
23:03 |
Dimsler |
its ingrained in the anglo saxon mentality to trample rights |
23:03 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust assbot Dimsler |
23:03 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013 |
23:03 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, i was meerly posting as interest to novice inquirers on market makers |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes i think i'm the guilty party. starting to get on yer nerves ? |
23:04 |
Dimsler |
not sure what the constant obession |
23:04 |
Dimsler |
with my wot is |
23:04 |
ben_vulpes |
it's a constant obsession with everyone's wot, Dimsler. |
23:04 |
ben_vulpes |
just curious. |
23:04 |
ben_vulpes |
sides, what do i know, i'm just the court jester |
23:06 |
ben_vulpes |
all of these social sites - engagement is via the "submit" button. |
23:06 |
Dimsler |
lol |
23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck that shit im changing it. |
23:07 |
ben_vulpes |
i think it's nicely apropos. |
23:08 |
ben_vulpes |
also deviantart apparently lost their "prev" and "next" buttons. |
23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes now trilema says send. pls to check it still worx. |
23:09 |
Dimsler |
can you change submit to capitulate |
23:09 |
Dimsler |
thats what most social media should have |
23:09 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: looks good |
23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
oh no way |
23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
there's some retarded state management |
23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
navigate to galleries, get to a thing |
23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
*now* prev/next appears |
23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
this is an abuse of sessions, i tell you |
23:11 |
Dimsler |
buttons are archaic |
23:11 |
Dimsler |
its all about the swype |
23:11 |
Dimsler |
must swype |
23:12 |
HeySteve |
hey Dimseler, how do you know it's fake volume? |
23:12 |
ben_vulpes |
evening, Vexual |
23:12 |
Dimsler |
well it may very well not be fake volume |
23:12 |
ben_vulpes |
quit waffling Dimsler |
23:12 |
Dimsler |
shutup ben_vulpes |
23:13 |
Vexual |
good evening |
23:13 |
Dimsler |
theres only one thing guaranteed in life |
23:13 |
Dimsler |
everything else is speculation |
23:13 |
HeySteve |
sure. some guy wants out his position, he is saying "this is how much more I have to unload, the pain will continue until it's sold." |
23:13 |
ben_vulpes |
penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume |
23:13 |
dub |
thats pretty unlikely |
23:13 |
HeySteve |
now a larger whale is challenged to buy him out to protect his holdings |
23:13 |
ben_vulpes |
someone's a market maker, here have a wp link |
23:13 |
Dimsler |
he basically set the market at 300 |
23:13 |
Vexual |
this is sparta! |
23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume << just about. |
23:14 |
Dimsler |
plenty nefarious reasons to hang a large order out |
23:14 |
Dimsler |
whether its to stop a sell of |
23:14 |
HeySteve |
right, but it's $9m, I heard mentioned? probably someone has more to lose than $9m. if btc hits single digits, so probably someone will buy that much |
23:15 |
Dimsler |
he may also have alot of money |
23:15 |
Dimsler |
on the exchange in fiat |
23:15 |
HeySteve |
of course, it could be a fake. but markets are an interesting game for this reason |
23:15 |
Dimsler |
and is buying people coins |
23:15 |
Dimsler |
that are wanting to sell below $300 |
23:15 |
Dimsler |
at $295 lets say |
23:15 |
dub |
hey gais, theres a for this buttcointalk.org/adhd oslt |
23:15 |
dub |
a forum too |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
23:16 |
ben_vulpes |
#bitcoin-pricetalk |
23:16 |
Dimsler |
get the fuck out here |
23:16 |
Dimsler |
what did you want to talk about? |
23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;unrate Dimsler |
23:16 |
gribble |
Successfully removed your rating for Dimsler. |
23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
!down Dimsler |
23:16 |
ben_vulpes |
!down Dimsler |
23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
not doing your reading in a groupo is not an excuse for not having done your reading |
23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
it's an aggravating circumstance. |
23:16 |
ben_vulpes |
dunno |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
not penny stocks, Dimsler |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
not price manip |
23:17 |
Dimsler |
i missed the groupo link somehow |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag? |
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↖ |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
and by we i mean you and also please |
23:17 |
HeySteve |
I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action? |
23:17 |
HeySteve |
(mentioned in btc circles, that is) |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
dude... |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
the price of bitcoin in whatever fiat whatever matters not one whit |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
this has got to be deliberate. |
23:18 |
Dimsler |
lol |
23:18 |
TheNewDeal |
!s heysteve |
23:18 |
assbot |
1161 results for 'heysteve' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=heysteve |
23:19 |
ben_vulpes |
no, the spamgun shartup recruiter is deliberate |
23:19 |
ben_vulpes |
this is just stochastic bouncing |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess. |
23:19 |
HeySteve |
ok no pricetalk then |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
HeySteve it's the approach not the topic that grates. |
23:20 |
Dimsler |
no you're just being an asshole |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
that also, but unrelatedly. |
23:21 |
ben_vulpes |
yes it is, no it's not, up is down unless the whale is pink |
23:21 |
ben_vulpes |
walls to the left, but it's a sell day, peg the price, gag me with a fork |
23:21 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
23:21 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305626.20 in 519 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.73 |
23:21 |
ben_vulpes |
head and shoulders means a 260 bottom (i'll show you a bottom worth 260), sr, fucking vc's, tim draper |
23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
that shit sure feels like forever. |
23:22 |
Apocalyptic |
^ |
23:22 |
Vexual |
%tslb |
23:22 |
atcbot |
Time Since Last ATC Block (#45849): 0 hour(s), 13 minutes |
23:22 |
ben_vulpes |
;;bcstats |
23:22 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 324053 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 522 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35104507259.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.27831 |
23:23 |
HeySteve |
that's all very well, but bitbets are announced here. they seem like similar propositions, will price go up or down? |
23:23 |
TheNewDeal |
I usually find an animal, slice in two, read the entrails |
23:23 |
TheNewDeal |
give's a pretty good prediction |
23:23 |
Dimsler |
lol thats from south park |
23:24 |
TheNewDeal |
it's from history |
23:24 |
TheNewDeal |
they actually did it |
23:24 |
HeySteve |
the roman augurs and soothsayers, yeah |
23:24 |
Dimsler |
lol ok yes |
23:24 |
TheNewDeal |
has there been a SP that referenced bitcoin? |
23:25 |
Dimsler |
neg |
23:25 |
HeySteve |
flight of birds, guts of goats, sounds cleaner to specialise in bird flight if that's your thing |
23:25 |
Dimsler |
only simpsons |
23:25 |
ben_vulpes |
there are more things in heaven and earth Dimsler than are derped of in south park |
23:25 |
dub |
dude never read asterix comics? |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think they have that french pinko commie stuff in the us of a |
23:25 |
Dimsler |
the south park episodes premise was based on the fall of the roman empire |
23:26 |
Dimsler |
i am pointing out as modern satire |
23:26 |
HeySteve |
it's ironic when modern americans address the decline of rome |
23:26 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: http://www.powells.com/s?kw=asterix&class= << au contraire |
23:26 |
assbot |
Search Results - Powell's Books |
23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
a nm |
23:26 |
thickasthieves |
<+HeySteve> I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action? /// yep, pretty much everything is good for bitcoin |
23:26 |
ben_vulpes |
although i never bought 'em, i just took them to the cafe in powells and read them there |
23:26 |
thickasthieves |
reddit thinks this is a joke |
23:27 |
thickasthieves |
but its funny cuz its true |
23:27 |
HeySteve |
sure, the "this is actually good news" meme |
23:27 |
thickasthieves |
yep, it really is |
23:27 |
thickasthieves |
they think it's ironic cuz the news' relation to price |
23:27 |
HeySteve |
well the drop will clean out some of the silliest, so there's that |
23:28 |
thickasthieves |
what's good for bitcoin isnt always good for price |
23:28 |
thickasthieves |
i do think this is having a calibrating effect and the seller is doing a service to btc |
23:28 |
TheNewDeal |
nice little 1200 chunk outta that wall, for those interested of course (dimsler) |
23:29 |
TheNewDeal |
explain |
23:29 |
thickasthieves |
i meant it pretty broadly, lots of examples |
23:29 |
Dimsler |
lol |
23:30 |
thickasthieves |
the exchange price disceprencies are reset |
23:30 |
Dimsler |
ofcourse hes doing everyone a favour |
23:30 |
thickasthieves |
weak hands lost coins |
23:30 |
thickasthieves |
etc |
23:30 |
thickasthieves |
and the price will likely spike *after* he's done selling |
23:30 |
thickasthieves |
such saintliness |
23:31 |
ben_vulpes |
classic oscillator. |
23:31 |
Dimsler |
well he basically masks everyones weak hand |
23:31 |
BingoBoingo |
https://i.imgur.com/XJCZKt6.jpg |
23:31 |
ben_vulpes |
people model this shit with oscillators, right? |
23:31 |
TheNewDeal |
loving the bingoboingo art tonight |
23:31 |
thickasthieves |
lol bingo |
23:31 |
BingoBoingo |
The20YearIRCloud: Found linked on reddit |
23:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Not my original work |
23:32 |
The20YearIRCloud |
heh |
23:32 |
HeySteve |
that's pretty good |
23:34 |
Dimsler |
lol reddit |
23:34 |
Dimsler |
collection of vile scum |
23:34 |
Dimsler |
http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042 |
23:34 |
assbot |
Mastering Bitcoin: Unlocking Digital Crypto-Currencies: Andreas M. Antonopoulos: 9781449374044: Amazon.com: Books |
23:34 |
Dimsler |
oh look andreas has a book out now |
23:34 |
ben_vulpes |
you're late, Dimsler qntra already covered it |
23:34 |
TheNewDeal |
there was an article that touched on it earlier |
23:35 |
TheNewDeal |
dimsler https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z |
23:35 |
assbot |
Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip |
23:35 |
ben_vulpes |
this whole doing your reading thing may be distasteful but it's not optional |
23:35 |
Dimsler |
oh for fuck sakes |
23:35 |
ben_vulpes |
it's pretty simple |
23:35 |
ben_vulpes |
!s antonopolous |
23:35 |
assbot |
13 results for 'antonopolous' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=antonopolous |
23:35 |
ben_vulpes |
also search.bitcoin-assets.com |
23:35 |
TheNewDeal |
has he ever made an appearance in #ba? |
23:36 |
Dimsler |
no |
23:36 |
The20YearIRCloud |
we should have around a 17% dividend this cycle |
23:36 |
Dimsler |
hes afraid of mircea_popescu killing him |
23:36 |
The20YearIRCloud |
based on usd/btc prices |
23:37 |
TheNewDeal |
who is the "we" you're speaking of the20yearircloud ? |
23:37 |
Vexual |
rent |
23:37 |
The20YearIRCloud |
rentalstarter |
23:37 |
The20YearIRCloud |
on havelock |
23:37 |
Vexual |
annnualizzzzed? |
23:37 |
The20YearIRCloud |
yes |
23:37 |
The20YearIRCloud |
based on .005 share price |
23:38 |
Vexual |
whats that like half pc on the average? |
23:39 |
ben_vulpes |
<Dimsler> no << how would you know? |
23:39 |
Dimsler |
well fuck |
23:39 |
Dimsler |
i've been here since early 2013? |
23:39 |
Dimsler |
haven't heard anyone mention him ever since mircea_popescu twattered that he was going to kill him |
23:40 |
ben_vulpes |
> ever |
23:40 |
ben_vulpes |
> 2013 |
23:40 |
ben_vulpes |
mhm |
23:40 |
Dimsler |
lol |
23:40 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud shouldn't it be based on 0.0075 ? |
23:41 |
The20YearIRCloud |
on 0075 its around 10% |
23:41 |
ben_vulpes |
haha |
23:41 |
The20YearIRCloud |
.005 was our original ipo price |
23:41 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah how do you calculate a price for RENT |
23:41 |
ben_vulpes |
it's market until you need more cash then you freeze it |
23:41 |
ben_vulpes |
"but our investors are cool with it broski!" |
23:42 |
The20YearIRCloud |
this last one was specifically requested by our largest investor so he could buy shares. I tried to do it outside of havelock but they wouldn't let me |
23:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Priorities >> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/05/2124205/linux-317-kernel-released-with-xbox-one-controller-support |
23:42 |
assbot |
Linux 3.17 Kernel Released With Xbox One Controller Support - Slashdot |
23:42 |
Vexual |
The20YearIRCloud: When do you expect to start servicing loans? |
23:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
we aleady have one loan |
23:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
unless youre talking npns |
23:43 |
Vexual |
are you using the money yet? |
23:43 |
ben_vulpes |
he couldn't buy shares at market? |
23:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
yes\ |
23:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
no shares at market were going to the company |
23:43 |
The20YearIRCloud |
and his investment would have increased price to around .02 |
23:44 |
ben_vulpes |
so you fucked everyone else. |
23:44 |
ben_vulpes |
well done. |
23:45 |
dub |
its called QE ben_vulpes |
23:45 |
dub |
it halps ok |
23:45 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Those wanting to sell below .0075 have been cleared already, and i've made it well known throuh investor communication that we had originally planned on selling more shares at the 2nd round IPO price at some time in the future |
23:46 |
Vexual |
is labour gonna get more expensive if you grow? |
23:46 |
ben_vulpes |
how is this any different from printing dollars? |
23:46 |
ben_vulpes |
or pesos? |
23:46 |
dub |
no different to mpif |
23:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Vexual: maybe |
23:47 |
Dimsler |
ben_vulpes, or they could just keep your bitcoins instead |
23:47 |
Dimsler |
with bots that manipulate the exchange |
23:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
not a huge need for more IPOs, the reason for this last one was so the speicfic investor could fund a very specific property that had a good return |
23:47 |
The20YearIRCloud |
plenty of that already Dimsler |
23:48 |
Dimsler |
oh ofcourse there is |
23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
more ipos |
23:48 |
Dimsler |
lol |
23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
jesus shit |
23:48 |
dub |
Dimsler: there is such a thing as putting down the shovel |
23:50 |
The20YearIRCloud |
my hope was $100k cash + $100k LOC and then set aside the money 50/50 for flips & rental renovations so we'd always have money for a flip, which hasn't been the case since last July |
23:50 |
ben_vulpes |
i want a "feed me live baby rats" shirt |
23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
most recent oglaf has inspired peals (i tell you PEALS) of laughter around her |
23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
here* |
23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, night scammers |
23:51 |
Vexual |
with the latest offering, what btc price kills your growth? |
23:52 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Really has no effect, but the BTC yield will look crummy at $2500 or more per BTC |
23:52 |
dub |
ur killing my growth Vexual |
23:53 |
Duffer1 |
btc skyrockets, us real estate corrects = /wrist? |
23:54 |
Vexual |
do you get paid in dollars The20YearIRCloud? |
23:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yield will certanly go down, our equity position overall is pretty great when you factor our average BTC sell price. Big question is when does it correct, how far does the pricing drop? We're still about 20% lower than peaks |
23:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Yeah |
23:55 |
Vexual |
what did you sell the latest offering @? |
23:55 |
Vexual |
must have fucked your arerage |
23:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Haven't yet :( , HL has been slow on transfering BTC to us, so there's been some exposure to loss due to the massive decrease in BTC price |
23:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Our average overall will stand at something like $400/btc though, including the original 1,000 BTC we got on BF that was sold when BTC was around $80/btc |
23:59 |
Vexual |
havelock must be just about operating at a loss now |
23:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
i knd of wonder |