Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-06-24 | 2014-06-26 → ↓
00:03 xmj fluffypony: are you on skype?
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00:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00077664 = 15.0668 BTC [+]
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00:54 wywialm good morning
00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00077664 = 5.6695 BTC [+]
00:56 mircea_popescu heya
00:56 mircea_popescu long time no see
00:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00077515 = 17.1308 BTC [-] {2}
01:06 BingoBoingo %ticker
01:06 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 177k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243
01:06 BingoBoingo %book
01:06 atcbot 65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
01:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21545982 = 1.2928 BTC [-] {3}
01:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00077664 = 14.0184 BTC [+]
01:35 penguirker New blog post: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/f-derp-short-risky-bitcoin-startups/2014/06/25
01:42 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/
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01:58 benkay !up Vexual
02:01 bitcoinpete so the world cup experiment was fruitful, if costly
02:01 bitcoinpete i like the 2btc min bet
02:02 bitcoinpete that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets
02:02 bitcoinpete the problem with the wc is simply the number of teams
02:02 benkay mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff
02:03 bitcoinpete if mp had created a rolland garros bet for every single player + halep it would've been the same problem
02:03 bitcoinpete having bets on "advancing" vs winning isn't ideal
02:03 bitcoinpete too many advancers
02:04 bitcoinpete so nao: barriers to entry
02:04 bitcoinpete as ever, a wise move
02:04 BingoBoingo http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/dogecoin-creator-jackson-palmer-leave-dogecoin-community-calls-cult-like/2014/06/24
02:04 assbot Dogecoin Creator Jackson Palmer To Leave Dogecoin Community; Calls it "Cult-Like"
02:04 bitcoinpete lol BingoBoingo just saw that too
02:04 bitcoinpete da redditz attacked me!
02:05 bitcoinpete ok tired eyes, time for bed...
02:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00077568 = 5.5849 BTC [-] {2}
02:18 punkman http://en.chessbase.com/post/ecu-dre-code-for-che-tournaments
02:18 assbot ECU Dress Code for chess tournaments | Chess News
02:19 punkman "regarding décolletés (in the US "cleavage"): "the second from the top button may be opened." And skirts may be no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knees"
02:19 punkman why can't we have sexy chess
02:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00077638 = 10.0541 BTC [+] {2}
02:32 BingoBoingo Next Inputs.io??? http://www.coindesk.com/hive-adds-litecoin-support-new-web-wallet/
02:32 assbot Hive Adds Litecoin Support With New Web Wallet
02:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0007783 = 10.8573 BTC [+] {2}
02:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00077906 = 14.88 BTC [+]
02:50 mircea_popescu <bitcoinpete> that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets << yeah.
02:50 mircea_popescu <punkman> why can't we have sexy chess << i can :D why can't you ?
02:53 * punkman can't wait for MP's Naked Chess Tournament
02:53 punkman full of brazilian/argentinian booty
02:54 mircea_popescu lol
02:57 punkman BingoBoingo: OMG No pool hoppers. << actually there's an extra TH on coinminer
02:57 BingoBoingo %diff
02:57 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 210330.52 in 1977 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -58.88
02:57 BingoBoingo OMG they left already!!!
02:57 BingoBoingo %ticker
02:57 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 176k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243
02:59 mircea_popescu <benkay> mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff <<< :D try it out!
03:00 BingoBoingo %book
03:00 atcbot 65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
03:04 benkay mircea_popescu: mebbe later - in the meantime i'm enjoying the luxury of going to sleep at midnightish
03:05 mircea_popescu hehe
03:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00077906 = 8.1801 BTC [+]
03:13 mircea_popescu !up [Jan]
03:14 benkay apropos of the bash bombs discussed earlier, my favorite part about computanium is how ls'ing in a directory with lots of things will cripple a server
03:14 benkay can*
03:14 mircea_popescu what sort of lots ?
03:15 mircea_popescu unless the drive is shitty and unraided that shouldn't really happen. besides, you shouldn't have the kernel volume shared with userspace anyway.
03:18 extra http://data.mtgox.com/api/2/LTCUSD/money/ticker
03:18 extra LTC confirmed
03:18 benkay 40k iirc, and it was on a shitty cloud drive to boot.
03:18 mircea_popescu ahahha what
03:18 mircea_popescu $depth s.wol
03:18 empyex mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Bids: 20000 @ 0.00004100 100000 @ 0.00004000 500000 @ 0.00003500
03:18 empyex mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Asks:
03:18 punkman mircea_popescu: too many inodes makes ls quite slow
03:19 mircea_popescu look at that mike : it's oversold.
03:21 mircea_popescu punkman with or w/o writeback mount ?
03:23 punkman dunno what that is, but it's reading all the entries in a dir that's slow
03:23 mircea_popescu (not that you couldn't call getdents by yourself bypassing the 16kb buffer or whatever fucktarded limit readdir does)
03:23 mircea_popescu mkay, in sum : this problem is an artefact of using butter knife to mix concrete rather than any problem of the concrete.
03:27 punkman fun tip: if you have a shitload of octopus, cement mixer is a good way to tenderize them
03:27 mircea_popescu o.O
03:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00077463 = 13.7884 BTC [-] {2}
03:37 xmj Hi.
03:37 xmj punkman: how many kg are we talking?
03:41 punkman xmj, dunno maybe 10-20kg in small portable mixer, more if you get the truck version :P
03:41 xmj hahaha
03:42 xmj I wonder, how do you heat the truck version.
03:42 xmj Flamethrower, because awesome?
03:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33694 @ 0.00078134 = 26.3265 BTC [+] {3}
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04:11 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664691.0
04:11 assbot Fight FUD and Scams with social media for trading cryptocurrencies
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04:38 pankkake http://proscamming.0-host.net/
04:38 assbot --- * ~~~ Professional Scamming ~~~ * ---
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05:02 davout pankkake: i don't see no twitter bootstrap, not investing
05:07 davout what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ?
05:08 davout or to state the question a bit differently, what's the current market price of mining power?
05:12 jurov davout: cex.io says one GH/s is 0.0075 BTC
05:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20501668 = 2.0502 BTC [-] {4}
05:13 davout thanks, i want to do a rough back of the envelope estimate of what kind of investment the recent diff increases imply
05:14 davout ;;calc 0.0075*20*1000000
05:14 gribble 150000
05:14 pankkake cex is priced rationally?
05:14 davout ;;calc 150000*600
05:14 gribble 90000000
05:16 davout pankkake: what's your best way to estimate?
05:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.201 = 1.005 BTC [-]
05:16 pankkake I don't know
05:19 jurov pankkake is anything priced rationally? Not in BTC, at least.
05:26 jurov S.WOL added to coinbr
05:26 jurov yay for mike_c
05:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00081608 = 11.9964 BTC [+]
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06:19 punkman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664614.0
06:19 assbot [NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200%
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06:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.202 = 6.868 BTC [+]
06:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.19942857 = 1.396 BTC [-] {3}
06:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4073 @ 0.00082529 = 3.3614 BTC [+]
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07:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00082369 = 7.4445 BTC [-] {2}
07:23 moiety mewning!
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07:43 pankkake ;;later tell davout http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/290rph/coming_soon_ghs_price_on_cexio_will_crash/cigicgh
07:43 assbot IkmoIkmo comments on coming soon- GH/s price on cex.io will crash
07:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00081703 = 0.6536 BTC [-]
07:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081642 = 4.327 BTC [-]
08:02 moiety 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/
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08:20 dub trusting an LEC commit!
08:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14406 @ 0.00081893 = 11.7975 BTC [+] {2}
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08:51 BingoBoingo %diff
08:51 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 252691.36 in 1949 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -50.60
08:54 davout pankkake: thx!
09:03 davout still wondering how i could get the closest to reality when calculating how much it'd cost to bring an extra PH/s to the network
09:05 davout closest i can think of is take the current best rig that actually sells and use that as basis
09:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00081385 = 4.3541 BTC [-]
09:11 ThickAsThieves i imagine it'd be hard to just buy 1PH, everyone does preorders, isnt Rockminer selling units for ASICMINER around now?
09:12 ThickAsThieves Rocket Box 450G-490G 480W[shipping around 27th,June] 990mbtc each if you buy 4 units
09:12 ThickAsThieves 1PH would surely be cheaper if you contacted them to make arrangements
09:13 ThickAsThieves (cheaper rate)
09:14 davout ThickAsThieves: i see, i'm not really trying to be very precise here, just a ballpark estimate for the recent ~47PH/s increase
09:15 ThickAsThieves $1m
09:15 ThickAsThieves for 1 PH
09:15 ThickAsThieves by my napkin math
09:15 ThickAsThieves maybe discount is deeper at that size i dunno
09:16 ThickAsThieves altough the costs to set that much gear up and run it for a bit would surely add up fast
09:16 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
09:16 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.56, Best ask: 561.08, Bid-ask spread: 3.52000, Last trade: 561.11, 24 hour volume: 9245.61146986, 24 hour low: 555.11, 24 hour high: 587.95, 24 hour vwap: 572.508947449
09:17 ThickAsThieves the cut should be almost over...
09:19 davout ThickAsThieves: yeah, when i take the chart of currently available hardware and do the math against their cost (disregarding $/kwh) $1mn/PH is the lowest i get
09:19 davout actually €1.25mn/PH
09:20 ThickAsThieves lotsa dough
09:21 ThickAsThieves i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin
09:21 ThickAsThieves could work out this round for people, since the money may have been spent when BTC was worth %800+
09:21 ThickAsThieves $
09:25 mthreat ACM world finals problems, https://icpc.kattis.com/problems
09:36 ThickAsThieves "All you do is plug it into a printer's USB port, and the device uses specialized hardware to create a random number with 256-bits of entropy."
09:36 ThickAsThieves https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mycelium-entropy
09:36 assbot Mycelium Entropy | Indiegogo
09:37 ThickAsThieves ^ asciilifeform
09:39 ThickAsThieves http://www.coindesk.com/maidsafe-lessons-learned-crowdsale/
09:39 assbot MaidSafe COO Reflects on Lessons Learned from Crowdsale
09:39 ThickAsThieves "BitAngels, the angel investment group which was helping out with the crowdsale, expected mastercoins to comprise no more than 25% of the overall investment. Instead, Lambert explained, they ended up making up roughly half of the investment total."
09:39 ThickAsThieves “A lot of people questioned why we would use two currencies, and looking back we [should] have used one.”
09:39 ThickAsThieves maybe thatll be on his grave
09:49 davout full chart if anyone is interested : http://i.imgur.com/TpCGCOk.png
09:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0479 = 0.958 BTC [-]
09:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00081411 = 4.8032 BTC [+]
09:55 jborkl well that was a derp move
09:56 ThickAsThieves !up zoinky
09:57 ThickAsThieves !up miaoux
09:57 zoinky woo 30 minutes
09:57 ThickAsThieves !up dR3___
09:57 ThickAsThieves !up dignork
09:57 ThickAsThieves hehe
09:58 ThickAsThieves same zoinky from tradingview?
09:58 zoinky dont even know what to say
09:58 zoinky yeah
09:58 ThickAsThieves <---bitcoinassets
09:59 zoinky don't recall the name on TV TBH, i know you as TAT from here and forums
09:59 zoinky maybe if i saw the avatar haha
09:59 ThickAsThieves word, i dont chat as much as others there
09:59 ThickAsThieves avatar is kim jong un getting goxxed
10:00 zoinky mostly trolls there idk why i chat there
10:00 zoinky guess im easily trolled
10:00 ThickAsThieves there's a few guys trying to be normal
10:01 ThickAsThieves though some do FUD to get the trades going their way
10:02 zoinky price droopy
10:02 BingoBoingo %book
10:02 atcbot 20k@293 65k@280 35k@279 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
10:02 BingoBoingo !mpif
10:02 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002151 BTC [-]
10:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4159 @ 0.00081411 = 3.3859 BTC [+]
10:03 BingoBoingo !t m s.bbet
10:03 assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (381 shares, 0.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00048666 / 0.000525 (8328 shares, 4.05 BTC)
10:03 benkay !t m s.wol
10:03 assbot I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
10:03 ThickAsThieves yep, it took longer than i thought to get to 560, one more little leg down and then sideways with a slight incline til the auction (maybe)
10:04 benkay !l m s.wol
10:04 assbot The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
10:04 ThickAsThieves i thought s.wol was .00003, yet the asks are .000035 and up
10:05 ThickAsThieves zoinky are you in the WoT?
10:05 ThickAsThieves ;;gettrust zoinky
10:05 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user zoinky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=zoinky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=zoinky | Rated since: never
10:05 benkay kakobrekla: assbot doesn't know about wol?
10:05 benkay !l m s.wol
10:05 assbot Stupid fucking white man.
10:05 benkay !l m s.nsa
10:05 assbot Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00013 BTC [-]
10:05 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!!
10:06 ThickAsThieves benkay i suspect s.wol isnt fully set up in mpex for real for real
10:06 benkay i do wonder about the ur-account on mpex
10:06 benkay that from which all assets are pushed
10:06 benkay and that to which all btc drain
10:07 benkay (i dreamt about it last night)
10:07 BingoBoingo Oh, I tagged the wrong autocomplete.
10:07 ThickAsThieves "mircea_popescu:we scam everyone later."
10:08 ThickAsThieves !up Pasha
10:08 jurov ThickAsThieves I already pestered asciilifeform with that mycelium gizmo, he said it's some atmel satanic stuff, i then saw it opened and it was true
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10:09 ThickAsThieves satanic, as in, the rng is more like png?
10:10 jurov the rng is hidden on the chip
10:10 jurov it's one chip solution
10:11 ThickAsThieves word
10:12 ThickAsThieves when the heck is cardano coming out, i already wanna know what the 2nd product will be
10:12 jurov the 3rd, you mean. first one was phuctor
10:13 ThickAsThieves well, hardware
10:13 ThickAsThieves toys
10:14 jurov http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/ huh?
10:14 assbot BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (96%) on Yes, 0.05 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 83`843 (100`000 to 1)
10:14 ThickAsThieves not much confidence there
10:15 jurov http://bitbet.us/bet/636/cardano-delivered-before-christmas/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc and this one was total fiasco
10:15 assbot BitBet - Cardano delivered before Christmas :: 0.57 B (81%) on Yes, 0.13 B (19%) on No | closed 6 months 1 week ago
10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11785 @ 0.00081533 = 9.6087 BTC [+] {2}
10:19 ThickAsThieves weird i have no recollection of betting on this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/873/any-european-team-to-win-2014-fifa-football/
10:19 assbot BitBet - Any European team to win 2014 FIFA Football World Cup :: 0.33 B (44%) on Yes, 0.42 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 35`628 (100`000 to 1)
10:19 ThickAsThieves yet i did
10:20 benkay haxx and scams
10:20 jurov someone used your addy to make you paranoid
10:20 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0P034F9.txt )
10:20 BingoBoingo !b 4
10:21 jurov noooo
10:21 ThickAsThieves bitbet selective scamming by associating bets wrongly!
10:21 ThickAsThieves this is kinda funny https://docs.google.com/a/mixedmedia.pro/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AieQiVL6xc-1dHE5anhTSGotYUVIMmR5cERIYU5BOVE&output=html
10:21 assbot 2014 Daytrading CURRENT
10:22 ThickAsThieves trading log for a losing trader
10:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22779556 = 0.6834 BTC [-]
10:22 jurov i was going to lament unmanageable bash mod queue... but kako emptied it :)
10:22 kakobrekla benkay its not in the mpex api output
10:22 rithm what is mixedmedia.pro
10:22 rithm "your total marketing solution"
10:23 kakobrekla jurov i noticed our bash acceptance rate is far apart :)
10:23 ThickAsThieves ah it's a docs domain i use
10:23 ThickAsThieves oops
10:23 rithm silent stalker over here
10:23 jurov tat paranoia++
10:24 rithm the link it takes you to is sanitixed
10:24 rithm fwiw
10:24 ThickAsThieves word
10:25 jurov don't sleep with deprived. word.
10:25 rithm this is hilarious
10:25 ThickAsThieves don't sleep with deprived?
10:26 zoinky I am not in WoT
10:26 ThickAsThieves ah dont trade sleep deprived
10:26 ThickAsThieves hehe
10:26 jurov Rule 1
10:26 rithm but he's actually up to 12 from 6,500
10:26 rithm in 90 days or so
10:26 ThickAsThieves this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional
10:26 rithm unless i misunderstand
10:27 ThickAsThieves !up zoinky
10:27 zoinky how does one get in wot
10:28 ThickAsThieves here's the original link fwiw https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AieQiVL6xc-1dHE5anhTSGotYUVIMmR5cERIYU5BOVE&output=html
10:28 assbot 2014 Daytrading CURRENT
10:28 rithm reminds me of rithm.blue/2014/06/24/confirmation-bias-a-blessing-or-a-curse/
10:28 ThickAsThieves zoinky one sec
10:28 jurov zoinky http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
10:28 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
10:29 ThickAsThieves jurov beat me to it
10:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22782704 = 0.6835 BTC [+] {2}
10:29 zoinky ok thanks ill check it out
10:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02848654 = 0.5697 BTC [+]
10:30 ThickAsThieves https://rithmblue.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/rithm-blue-titsintshirt.png
10:30 ThickAsThieves :)
10:32 ThickAsThieves rithmblue is audio production? is there samples somewhere? i just see live vids
10:33 rithm all i have at this time is live audio
10:33 rithm studio is still being built
10:33 ThickAsThieves cool, i dabble myself, have home studio, etc
10:33 rithm well i haven't decided on the studio setup you can help me
10:33 rithm i want 24 channels and analog but digital option
10:34 rithm kinda want to be able to record to vinyl
10:34 ThickAsThieves i dont use a board, just a collection of lunchbox stuff
10:35 rithm that's cool because mostly everything i do i use my zoom h4n for right now
10:35 ThickAsThieves my ADDA is an old MOTU cuz it has some particularly good chip in it
10:35 ThickAsThieves 828mkii
10:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6412 @ 0.00082025 = 5.2594 BTC [+]
10:36 ThickAsThieves not sure what stage youre at, but for me the best jump in quality was getting that ADDA, a decent tube mic, and a high-quality mic pre
10:36 chetty http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/25/want-to-disprove-man-made-climate-change-a-scientist-will-give-you-10000-if-you-can/
10:36 assbot Want to Disprove Man-Made Climate Change? A Scientist Will Give You $10,000 if You Can | TheBlaze.com
10:37 rithm because i'm still building the studio (construction) mostly i do live stuff
10:37 rithm live a/v events
10:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04789916 = 0.5748 BTC [-] {2}
10:38 ThickAsThieves cool, yeah you probably want more versatile stuff then, like a good mixing board
10:38 chetty So this 'scientist' wants to pay for someone to prove a negative!
10:38 ThickAsThieves hehe
10:39 rithm i got an imgur of my rig somewhere
10:40 rithm ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this
10:40 rithm http://imgur.com/CaiSMZO
10:40 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
10:40 ThickAsThieves http://crypto-comics.com/comic36.png
10:40 xmj Maybe I'm having a day
10:40 rithm halorig.com mini, Zoom H4n line out, splitter +headphones, line in to Canon Vixia HF G20
10:40 mike_c ThickAsThieves: https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/579/46/which-record-type-option-should-i-choose-for-the-information-im-about-to-enter
10:40 assbot Which record type option should I choose for the information Im about to enter?(DNS Questions) Namecheap.com Knowledgebase
10:40 xmj and maybe CentOS is just a worthless piece of shit.
10:41 mike_c scroll down to NS record
10:41 mike_c subdomain: seeds host: 54.whatever.i.said
10:41 ThickAsThieves k i'll work on it
10:42 ThickAsThieves that menu is probably buried somewhere else, i couldnt find anything that looks like that
10:42 mike_c well, you were in the nameserver section
10:42 mike_c which isn't quite right
10:42 mike_c cuz that's for the root domain
10:42 ThickAsThieves i was only there as a last resort, cuz the DNS secrtion only allowed TXT or CNAME
10:42 mike_c hm
10:42 ThickAsThieves it's all fucked up
10:43 ThickAsThieves i shoulda just used my own DNS
10:44 ThickAsThieves yeah it only shows A, TXT, CNAME as options... i'll dig
10:46 punkman you are on the wrong page
10:46 ThickAsThieves i cant find "All Host Records" like the support doc says
10:46 xmj if i may ask
10:46 xmj what are you trying to achieve?
10:47 ThickAsThieves a subdomain pointing to an IP
10:47 mike_c we are trying to put a NS record in therealaltcoin.org that sets the nameserver for seeds.therealaltcoin.org
10:47 ThickAsThieves more specifically, where the fuck Namecheap hides such setting
10:47 mike_c this custom nameserver is running altcoin-seeder
10:47 punkman https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/modsingle.asp?domain=YOURDOMAIN.COM&type=nameserver&rkey=NC
10:47 assbot Login Signup
10:47 punkman there
10:48 ThickAsThieves thats what i did last time
10:48 ThickAsThieves which i gave mike_c a screenshot of
10:49 punkman well youi need to run a nameserver then
10:49 mike_c we are.
10:49 mike_c but only for seeds.therealaltco.org
10:49 ThickAsThieves i'll show what that link results in
10:51 mthreat Final standings ACM world finals: http://icpc.baylor.edu/scoreboard/
10:51 assbot the 38th Annual World Finals of the ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest
10:51 mthreat no US team in top 10
10:52 ThickAsThieves (i did this yesterday) after i add info, this is what it shows for it: http://imgur.com/iHFPZli
10:52 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
10:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16373 @ 0.00082389 = 13.4896 BTC [+]
10:52 ThickAsThieves there's no place that looks like the link mike_c gave from their doc
10:53 ThickAsThieves where i can fully choose to make any kind of record
10:54 punkman you need to make ns1.therealaltcoin.org and ns2.therealaltcoin.org, point to nameserver ip
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10:54 punkman then add seed, ns1.therealaltcoin.org NS record
10:55 jurov ThickAsThieves: I had to look
10:55 jurov and on Modify Domain screen
10:55 punkman ThickAsThieves: does the domain use the host's nameserver?
10:55 ThickAsThieves yes
10:55 punkman well then you need to go there and add NS record
10:55 ThickAsThieves ...
10:55 jurov there is NS record under ADVANCED in the RCORD TYPE dropdown
10:56 punkman yeah but you gotta use NC's nameserver for that
10:58 ThickAsThieves i see no "advanced" in this window jurov
10:59 punkman oh you use namecheap hosting for it
10:59 ThickAsThieves yes
11:00 ThickAsThieves in that screenshot, do i just put this custom IP in the ns1 and ns2 boxes and add that?
11:00 pankkake ns1 and ns2 should be namecheap nameserver ips
11:01 punkman do you see a link on the menu that says "Transfer DNS Back to Us"?
11:01 ThickAsThieves it's always there, but yeah
11:01 ThickAsThieves even if you use them
11:01 punkman no if you use them it says "Transfer to web host"
11:01 jurov http://live.coinbr.com/images/Namecheap.com_-_Modify_Domain_%28anonml.com%29_-_2014-06-25_16.59.46-fs8.png here's how would i point subdomain to cloudflare
11:02 punkman maybe the hosting account menu has something about dns?
11:02 punkman never used that myself
11:02 ThickAsThieves jurov i cant find that window
11:02 punkman yeah because you use namecheaphosting dns, not namecheap dns
11:03 ThickAsThieves lol
11:03 jurov menu -> manage domains -> click on domain name -> all host records
11:03 ThickAsThieves doesnt exist
11:03 ThickAsThieves ok
11:03 ThickAsThieves i think punkman is onto something
11:03 jurov which step doesnt exist?
11:03 ThickAsThieves so i'm using their DNS, just not THEIR DNS
11:03 ThickAsThieves or someshit
11:03 punkman my domain with NC DNS uses DNS1.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
11:04 punkman not DNS1.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM
11:04 punkman which is what therealaltcoin has
11:04 ThickAsThieves All Host Records now appears!
11:05 mike_c thanks guys. TaT and I were not getting closer to the goal :)
11:06 ThickAsThieves yes thx, almost done
11:06 ThickAsThieves hoepfully
11:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18414 @ 0.00082389 = 15.1711 BTC [+]
11:11 ThickAsThieves so i need to wait the TTL time before checking if this worked right?
11:11 ThickAsThieves 1800 is 30m if i recall?
11:11 mike_c ttl is a suggestion
11:11 ThickAsThieves ah
11:12 ThickAsThieves how do i know if it's working, does an NS record show up on whatsmydns.net?
11:12 mike_c what should happen is eventually you do a dig -t any therealaltcoin.org and it shows up
11:12 pankkake you can ask the responsible dns server directly, bypassing ISP caches
11:13 ThickAsThieves i dont understand either of you
11:13 ThickAsThieves :)
11:13 ThickAsThieves i can tell ya when i visit seeds.therealaltcoin.org it behaves differently now :/
11:14 mike_c uh oh
11:14 mike_c A record seems to be gone
11:14 punkman did you transfer "back to us"?
11:14 ThickAsThieves yes
11:15 ThickAsThieves probly a delay in that?
11:15 mike_c oh, nvm. it's there now. weird.
11:15 punkman because now it has no idea what IP the root is
11:15 punkman unless they've added some magic
11:16 punkman *root domain
11:16 ThickAsThieves the page loads at least
11:16 ThickAsThieves but no idea if the seeds subdomain is set up as needed yet
11:16 punkman and if you add it manually, then namecheaphosting can't update the IP if it ever changes
11:17 mike_c ThickAsThieves: the point is not for seeds.therealaltcoin.org to show a web page. what should happen when this is working is that it will point to active ATC nodes (which probably aren't running web servers)
11:17 ThickAsThieves i understand that no page would load (i assum you'd need to do something on your end for a page to load via http for it)
11:17 ThickAsThieves what i dont understand is how to check if i did it right
11:18 mike_c i'll let you know.
11:18 ThickAsThieves cool
11:19 TomServo *** ns1.namecheaphosting.com can't find seeds.therealaltcoin.org: Non-existent domain
11:19 TomServo Is that your DNS server?
11:20 punkman TomServo: ns1.therealaltcoin.org is supposed to be the NS for seeds.
11:20 ThickAsThieves so should i add a nameserver in addition to the NS record?
11:21 ThickAsThieves pointing to same outside IP?
11:21 mike_c 54.x.x.x *is* a nameserver
11:21 mike_c how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p
11:21 TomServo haha
11:22 ThickAsThieves lol
11:22 ThickAsThieves we're like new breed of plumbers
11:22 ThickAsThieves where does this pipe go!?
11:22 TomServo not sure, but it definitely needs more flux
11:22 ThickAsThieves crack it open and see what pours out!
11:23 ThickAsThieves "that's the sewage" "oh, shit."
11:23 Mats_cd03 ym is a nameserver
11:23 ThickAsThieves http://nypost.com/2014/06/25/its-david-vs-goliath-in-race-to-launch-nys-first-regulated-bitcoin-exchange/
11:23 assbot It’s David vs. Goliath in race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange | New York Post
11:23 ThickAsThieves "The twilight of the rule-writing process — expected now in early July — has started internal discussions at Nasdaq about how to take advantage of the currency’s growing popularity, sources said."
11:23 xmj hrm
11:24 ThickAsThieves "Should Nasdaq officials decide to go forward, they likely will move quickly — exchange officials expect to create a regulated platform for bitcoin buyers and sellers in about a year, one source said."
11:26 kakobrekla http://www.coindesk.com/switzerland-government-report-bitcoin-insignificant-legislation/
11:26 assbot Swiss Government Report: Bitcoin Too 'Insignificant' for Legislation
11:26 ThickAsThieves i tried to do a lil promo for War of Life on reddit and got deleted, after getting 3 upvotes nonetheless
11:26 ThickAsThieves must be a competitor modding
11:26 Apocalyptic reditards at their best
11:26 jurov does WoL have referrals?
11:27 ThickAsThieves good q!
11:27 ThickAsThieves "bitcoin.org's content is managed by Saïvann Carignan, who is somewhat associated with the Foundation (though not an employee AFAIK), but the bitcoin.org domain name is jointly owned by me, Sirius, and an anonymous person. We will take action if bitcoin.org is being used inappropriately or the development group does something crazy." ~Theymos
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11:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2901 @ 0.00082389 = 2.3901 BTC [+]
11:36 ThickAsThieves mike_c in the WoL Shares area, why not show first bits like BitBet does?
11:37 ThickAsThieves also with current pop-up method, it doesnt allow copy-pasting an addy
11:38 Mats_cd03 i am tired of hearing about theymos
11:38 Mats_cd03 its time he gets hit by a car
11:39 pankkake Mats_cd03: that is grounds for a twitter ban
11:39 ThickAsThieves mike_c it's also hard to find my bets, maybe a search function is needed like bitbet too
11:39 mike_c why can't you copy-paste?
11:39 mike_c search sounds like good idea
11:40 ThickAsThieves cuz the pop up disappears when i move mouse
11:40 ThickAsThieves also the closed games have no timestamps or anything
11:40 mike_c what? what browser/os are you on?
11:40 ThickAsThieves basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what
11:40 ThickAsThieves chrome
11:42 ThickAsThieves also recommend a "previous" & "next" game link to chronologically page thru
11:51 mike_c there's only one active GoW at a time. but i do want to add a list of old games, etc.
11:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23383 @ 0.00082161 = 19.2117 BTC [-] {2}
11:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4089 @ 0.00082231 = 3.3624 BTC [+]
11:58 punkman ThickAsThieves: think you broke it, http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ 400 Bad Request
11:58 assbot 400 Bad Request
11:58 ThickAsThieves mofo
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79952895 BTC to 9`635 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.045 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00082655 = 14.01 BTC [+] {2}
12:04 mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/xNLprWFE for the lulz
12:04 assbot Selina selinamartindale@gmail.com http://www.thinkkeno.net/%E7%8F%BE%E7%89%A9% - Pastebin.com
12:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.04432367 = 0.8421 BTC [-] {5}
12:05 ThickAsThieves heh
12:05 ThickAsThieves alright so basically i need to add all the DNS records that were in the host before, to the changed to nameserver, right?
12:08 ThickAsThieves seeds.therealaltcoin.org seems to be working for Seattle
12:09 mircea_popescu curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'seeds.therealaltcoin.org'
12:09 mircea_popescu prolly in an hour or so
12:10 punkman ThickAsThieves: do you have a VPS or shared with NC hosting?
12:14 ThickAsThieves i think i fixed it all
12:15 ThickAsThieves the only xfactor is the A records all didnt like a "." at the end of the IP entry, whereas seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS record accepted it
12:15 ThickAsThieves the site loads again now too
12:15 ThickAsThieves now ait
12:15 ThickAsThieves lol
12:16 ThickAsThieves i do not have a VPS
12:16 ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ works
12:16 assbot 400 Bad Request
12:16 punkman I don't seen any entries for seeds subdomain
12:18 BingoBoingo %diff
12:18 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 324223.45 in 1913 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -36.61
12:18 punkman %tslb
12:18 atcbot 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)
12:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 59 @ 0.04228851 = 2.495 BTC [-] {8}
12:20 mircea_popescu ;;calc 266666*.9
12:20 gribble 239999.4
12:21 mircea_popescu ;;calc 58333 *.9
12:21 gribble 52499.7
12:21 ThickAsThieves it's odd that the www. works but not without it, being that www. is the CNAME
12:22 mircea_popescu you prolly don't have a * record
12:22 ThickAsThieves the @ one?
12:22 mircea_popescu no, the * one
12:22 ThickAsThieves hmm
12:22 mircea_popescu ;;google dns catchall
12:22 gribble Wildcard DNS record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_DNS_record>; How can I set up a catch-all (wildcard) subdomain? (DNS Questions ...: <https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/597/46/how-can-i-set-up-a-catchall-wildcard-subdomain>; Is a wildcard CNAME DNS record valid? - Server Fault: (1 more message)
12:23 punkman you need @ not *
12:23 davout ThickAsThieves: both work from here
12:23 davout yeah, you don't need a * record for the root domain
12:24 ThickAsThieves should i remove the * record then?
12:24 davout and if www is CNAME'd to the root you don't need it at all
12:24 davout i don't really like to keep those around unless i need them because i want to have a domain-dependent behaviour
12:24 davout *subdomain dependent behaviour
12:25 ThickAsThieves www is indeed cname'd to root, but @ is pointing to the server IP
12:25 mircea_popescu davout well sure
12:25 ThickAsThieves which i assume is correct, only the root domain doesnt load, for me at least
12:25 ThickAsThieves www. does load though
12:25 davout ThickAsThieves: try from your mobile phone, disconnected form wifi
12:26 davout dns caching is a bitch
12:26 ThickAsThieves lol davout, incidentally, Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet
12:26 ThickAsThieves so yours might break soon too
12:26 ThickAsThieves https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/therealaltcoin.org
12:26 davout "Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet" <<< does not compute
12:27 ThickAsThieves look at link above
12:27 mircea_popescu til .mp is an actual tld
12:27 davout sfr is one of many providers
12:27 ThickAsThieves ok it loads fine in Tor
12:27 davout there's no such thing as "the dns for paris" :D
12:27 mircea_popescu davout no dude he knows remotely the situation of dns in paris
12:27 ThickAsThieves hehe
12:27 mircea_popescu dub's a noob :D
12:28 ThickAsThieves well it was an inconvenient coincidence
12:28 ThickAsThieves considering the only french guy could see it
12:28 davout golden rule when fucking with dns : "test after changing the configuration, never before, or you'll be stuck with shit being cached"
12:28 mircea_popescu "The get.mp site is a bit defunct as the certificate is expired."
12:28 ThickAsThieves alls well
12:28 mircea_popescu the steaks in my fridge are a bit defunct too!
12:29 ThickAsThieves now i just need confirmation the seeds.therealaltcoin.org is doing what it's supposed to
12:29 mircea_popescu davout or just floosh a lot
12:30 ThickAsThieves so can i have an A record fors seeds. too?
12:30 davout i just check the configs with a "dig A domain.tld @ns.otherdomain.tld"
12:30 ThickAsThieves so it doesnt timeout when loaded in web browser?
12:30 ThickAsThieves maybe pointing to text file of current seeds?
12:31 ThickAsThieves or is that just pointless
12:31 punkman seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000INNS54.197.241.190.
12:31 punkman seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60INA54.197.241.190
12:31 ThickAsThieves i dunno what that means
12:32 ThickAsThieves alls well?
12:32 mircea_popescu ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 58366
12:32 mircea_popescu lol win
12:32 punkman I did dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @54.197.241.190
12:33 mircea_popescu mine's ambigous
12:33 mircea_popescu seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000INNS54.197.241.190.
12:33 mircea_popescu seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60INA122.49.204.147
12:33 punkman right, that's good
12:33 davout seeds.therealaltcoin.org doesn't seem to actually have any name servers defined
12:34 davout therealaltcoin.org does
12:34 davout ThickAsThieves: what the fuck have you done?
12:34 punkman davout, dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @dns1.registrar-servers.com
12:34 ThickAsThieves seeds. has an NS record with value= 54.197.241.190
12:35 davout ThickAsThieves: i assert the contrary
12:35 davout punkman: if you force the nameserver you're cheating!
12:35 ThickAsThieves well being that i'm minimally experience with this stuff, i dont know what youre suggesting i do
12:36 davout are you hosting the NS server yourself ?
12:36 ThickAsThieves it's namecheap's
12:36 davout i'd try to see why you're getting a servfail
12:36 ThickAsThieves but i can add any record
12:36 davout hmm
12:37 thestringpuller ;;seen BingoBoingo
12:37 gribble BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 minutes and 41 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> %diff
12:37 ThickAsThieves i'll ss my current records
12:37 chetty Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches
12:38 davout ThickAsThieves: it's very weird that your subdomain doesn't seem to have an associated nameserver when asking without asking dns1.registrar-servers.com
12:39 ThickAsThieves http://imgur.com/0wLdYIn
12:39 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
12:39 ThickAsThieves that should help
12:41 davout ThickAsThieves: why do you have the last line ?
12:41 davout why do you need to associate a separate nameserver to the seeds subdomain ?
12:41 mircea_popescu <chetty> Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches << ya, that'll do a lot.
12:41 mircea_popescu usg will just redefine "cellphones" as laptops or w/e
12:41 ThickAsThieves cuz mike_c told me to, cuz that IP is his and a nameserver
12:42 davout didn't you mean to have an A record instead ?
12:42 Apocalyptic anyway NSA isn't bound by law, is it ?
12:42 ThickAsThieves i only menat to do as told
12:42 ThickAsThieves should it be A instead?
12:42 punkman mike's nameserver spits out node IPs as A records
12:42 mircea_popescu this should be interesting, how tat's soup comes out with al lthe asset cooks
12:43 ThickAsThieves i dont have a problem hosting the seeds myself, if handheld through it
12:44 davout punkman: so the use case is that they're going to be multiple seeds, managed by mike_c like s1.seeds.therealtcoin.org ?
12:44 ThickAsThieves no it's just a list i think
12:44 ThickAsThieves i think the plan is to embed this subdomain into the altcoin software, so newbs can get the chain easier
12:44 dignork ThickAsThieves: http://serverfault.com/questions/100307/can-the-value-for-a-ns-record-be-an-ip-address
12:44 assbot dns - Can the value for a NS record be an IP address? - Server Fault
12:45 davout ThickAsThieves: so when hitting seeds.therealaltcoins.org, a single server will spit out a list of seeds, in some format for use by the atc client ?
12:45 ThickAsThieves i think so
12:45 ThickAsThieves i'm speaking for mike_c and pankkake i think
12:45 ThickAsThieves and i'm not so sure i'm qualified
12:45 pankkake yes, that is is
12:45 davout well, then you don't need a NS record
12:46 davout you need a plain old A record for seeds that points to the IP of the server managing the seeds list
12:46 mircea_popescu dude it's like being on mdma over here
12:46 mircea_popescu i derp about my business, suddenly there's this weird booming echo multivoice
12:46 ThickAsThieves cool i'll fix it
12:46 pankkake it's wrong!
12:46 mircea_popescu a second later it comes through they're screaming "goal!1" but that second...
12:47 pankkake the "format" for the altcoin client is a DNS reply
12:47 ThickAsThieves pankkake you talking to me or mp?
12:47 davout mircea_popescu: oh fuck, i'm supporting nigeria
12:47 ThickAsThieves ah
12:47 pankkake to davout
12:47 ThickAsThieves i could not have guessed that DNS would be an interpretive thing...
12:47 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves he was confirming it for davout
12:47 mircea_popescu bah
12:47 mircea_popescu ahahaha the interpretive dns dance! round robbin! the nut cracker!
12:48 davout pankkake: whaddaya mean
12:48 mircea_popescu this should totally be a musical
12:48 ThickAsThieves how about i just put BOTH records
12:48 davout i feel like i'm going down into a confusion vortex
12:48 jurov ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems!
12:48 ThickAsThieves more shares is better!
12:48 assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VE6PXR.txt )
12:48 BingoBoingo !b 9
12:48 pankkake seeds. has to be served by the self updating dns server
12:49 mircea_popescu <jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems! <<< ahahaha
12:49 pankkake well despite knowning the thing I have a hard time following the discussion
12:49 ThickAsThieves <jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. /// actually this is something i do want
12:49 mircea_popescu "you have two problems. the government takes one and gives you a cow. now you have three problems."
12:50 davout pankkake: you want to resolve subdomains of seeds. ?
12:50 punkman davout, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723462
12:50 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
12:51 mircea_popescu punkman re the "no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knee" : does thaat resolve to -5 which is then 5 below the knee ?
12:51 mircea_popescu or does it just resolve to "depending on how lanky you are, one inch over your cunt"
12:51 pankkake seeds. is also resolved by the NS of seeds.
12:51 davout punkman: a i see, you want a dynamic A record for seeds
12:52 punkman yeah and other cool features, https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder
12:52 assbot sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub
12:52 ThickAsThieves ok well at the moment the screenshot is what it is and will remain so until explicitly instructed
12:53 punkman ThickAsThieves: maybe change it to seeds NS ns1.therealtaltcoin.org, then go to the other page and point ns1. to mike's IP
12:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.042 = 1.386 BTC [+]
12:53 mircea_popescu this didn't work so well did it.
12:54 ThickAsThieves i wil not accept a maybe
12:54 ThickAsThieves explicit instructions only
12:54 davout punkman pankkake if what's needed is load balancing, or failover, multiple A records for the same domain would do just fine
12:54 mircea_popescu sensible.
12:54 mircea_popescu davout: what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ? << prolly the 3th knc recently delivered
12:54 pankkake yes, if you have known nodes running… and I don't believe it is the case
12:55 punkman ThickAsThieves: well according to dignork's link, having an IP in NS record is not so valid
12:55 ThickAsThieves btw, i do have some .bit domains registered, including bitcoin-assets and therealaltcoin
12:55 punkman but I got no fucking clue to be honest
12:55 davout mircea_popescu: yeah, i didn't state the question very explicitly, but i was wondering about the price to pay to bring an extra PH/s to the network, something around 1.25mn is what i found
12:55 mircea_popescu it seems to be about 1 dollar per gh roughly.
12:56 mircea_popescu so 1mn per ph, net of any logistics
12:56 davout and electricity
12:56 mircea_popescu 1.25 prolly reasonable yeah. electricity is logistics :D
12:56 davout i guess thats included in "logistics"
12:56 ThickAsThieves mike_c see above discussion and lemme know if you need anything changed anytime
12:57 mircea_popescu assbot: [NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200% << lmao
12:58 davout to be read as -200%
12:58 davout nah, actually i'm an idiot, that's not possible
12:58 mircea_popescu lol
12:58 mircea_popescu IT SHOULD BE
12:59 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin << hash doesn;'t really need to pay for itself in coin tho.
12:59 punkman I can't ping seeds.therealaltcoin.org, does it resolve for someone?
12:59 jurov not if one pays another 100% for filing a debt claim
12:59 mircea_popescu jurov has it
12:59 davout punkman: lol
13:00 mircea_popescu punkman unknown host.
13:00 davout jurov: as in "this guy owes me 100 BTC, here's 100 BTC to get it from him" ?
13:00 mike_c ugh. hopefully you didn't "fix" it, i think you had it :)
13:01 mike_c davout: I am running a nameserver for seeds.atc
13:01 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: maybe thatll be on his grave << what should be on his grave is "I thought I knew shit, because I used to be a shithead. Now I know better, but what's the use, I'm already shitlisted."
13:01 mike_c clients will query it to find active ATC nodes
13:01 mike_c in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc
13:01 mike_c clear as mud?
13:02 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2014#732075
13:02 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
13:02 mike_c punkman: no reason you should be able to ping it!
13:02 punkman no?
13:02 Apocalyptic <mike_c> in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc // you're sure ?
13:02 ThickAsThieves what if i want http://seeds. to point a picture of apple seeds? what record for that?
13:02 Apocalyptic I thought it was meant to resolve to IP of nodes
13:03 mike_c Apocalyptic: it does resolve to IP of nodes. but how does your computer know who to ask to resolve it.
13:03 davout ThickAsThieves: A record for that, on mike_c's server
13:03 ThickAsThieves nuts
13:03 mircea_popescu !t m s.wol
13:03 assbot The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
13:03 davout mike_c: so you're going to resolve s1.seeds.the...org etc ?
13:03 mircea_popescu srsly ?
13:03 mike_c no, no s1.seeds
13:04 mircea_popescu !t m d.bpay
13:04 assbot [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)
13:04 mircea_popescu aok
13:04 ThickAsThieves mp how come your s.wol is 35 instead of 30, just to fuck with people?
13:04 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves someone bid
13:04 davout mike_c: so what fqdns is your server going to resolve ?
13:04 ThickAsThieves ? i dont see any Last Price
13:04 mike_c seeds.therealaltcoin.org
13:04 mircea_popescu and speaking of which, now that mike_c is up he's prolly going to put bitcoin in once he's done destroying altcoin dns
13:05 mircea_popescu after which those shares are prolly selling
13:05 mircea_popescu so get in if you want to get in.
13:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0008285 = 5.7995 BTC [+]
13:05 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves there isn't a last price yet.
13:06 mike_c https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder/blob/master/README
13:06 assbot bitcoin-seeder/README at master sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub
13:06 davout mike_c: dig A seeds.therealtcoin.org @54.197.241.190
13:06 davout ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 49439
13:06 mike_c dig -t A
13:06 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!! << it's tiny, 15 btc total.
13:06 davout mike_c: why would that change anything ?
13:06 davout i'm asking for an A record
13:07 mike_c dig -t A seeds.therealaltcoin.org @54.197.241.190
13:07 punkman realtcoin
13:07 punkman ^^
13:07 mike_c flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1,
13:08 davout punkman: my face, my palm
13:09 mircea_popescu wow they're really massacring nigeria.
13:09 davout mike_c: yeah works now
13:09 mircea_popescu i think someone needs to send argentina team an ugrend proposal
13:09 davout lol
13:10 mike_c hopefully nobody actually reads the logs.
13:10 Bet placed: 9 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.31299681 BTC. Current weight: 3,557.
13:11 davout mike_c: curious as to why i'm getting a servfail when not asking your server directly
13:11 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional << funny how that works huh.
13:11 mircea_popescu davout take a hint ? :D
13:12 davout mircea_popescu: ?
13:12 mircea_popescu you know, "why do i get a fail message when im not doing anything"
13:12 mircea_popescu "cuz you suck!!1"
13:12 davout meh, i get the same message as you
13:13 davout also same message from different machine, on different network
13:14 davout mike_c: maybe that's related to using an IP directly as the NS field value, i have no fucking clue :D
13:16 punkman "It is important to know that NS records are only responsible for defining the names of DNS servers within a zone, i.e. they do not represent IP addresses,"
13:18 mircea_popescu punkman what's a standard for if not pissing all over it ?
13:18 mircea_popescu we're cats!
13:18 BingoBoingo ;;seen moiety
13:18 gribble moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <moiety> 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/
13:18 punkman yeah but I first said this 2 hours ago
13:18 punkman and now it's not working :P
13:18 moiety i here :]
13:18 mike_c so it should be seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS -> foo.therealaltcoin.org and then foo.therealaltcoin.org -> 54.x.x.x?
13:18 mircea_popescu hi moiety
13:19 moiety i had an appointment for sorting everything out income wise, sorry
13:19 moiety hello
13:19 davout punkman: -assets currently looks like a bunch of medieval doctors putting leeches on a guy with a broken ankle
13:20 punkman I'm just glad I'm not a sysadmin
13:20 mircea_popescu and it's worth every penny of the admission fee!
13:21 mircea_popescu chetty: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/25/want-to-disprove-man-made-climate-change-a-scientist-will-give-you-10000-if-you-can/ << 10k srsly ? it'd better be bitcoin.
13:21 assbot Want to Disprove Man-Made Climate Change? A Scientist Will Give You $10,000 if You Can | TheBlaze.com
13:21 mircea_popescu in other news, want to disprove tardstalk scam of the week ? nobody will give you 10 bitcents if you can ha-ha!
13:22 pankkake I'll give 10000 BTC to the first person to disprove the existence of the Space Elephant
13:23 mircea_popescu rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this <<< was it more than a car ?
13:23 mircea_popescu pankkake stop being unscientific!11
13:24 chetty mircea_popescu, I was amused at the great scientist asking folks to prove a negative :P
13:24 pankkake can we have a 20 year bitbet against global warming?
13:24 mircea_popescu chetty and then they wonder why i keep saying stupid === poor.
13:24 mircea_popescu pankkake if youy put 10k down on it
13:26 moiety pankkake: elephants are scared of mice. galactic space mice (http://history.nasa.gov/animals.html) mean you will never find an elephant in space. i think this counts.
13:26 mircea_popescu give the girl 10k.
13:26 Bet created: "Amazon stock to close at over $350 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/965/
13:27 pankkake thankfully you didn't say 10k of what :)
13:27 moiety i would accept 10k manuls
13:28 mircea_popescu ;;google 10k manuls
13:28 gribble RT-10K :: Manuals :: Support :: Roland: <http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=RT-10K>; Sound Module and Drum Pad Comb... :: RT-10K :: Manuals - Roland ...: <http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=RT-10K&id=1810833>; Roadster HD10K-M 1080 HD DLP Projector - Christie Digital Systems: <http://www.christiedigital.com/en-us/business/products/projectors/3 (1 more message)
13:28 mircea_popescu fail.
13:28 pankkake yeah, google always manuals me when I want manuls :(
13:28 davout servfail.
13:28 punkman 10k gold manuls, would be nice
13:29 mircea_popescu reading the logs, you bunch have been at this "let's fuck up dns" for a while by now huh
13:30 rithm i should specify indirectly huh
13:30 rithm like th rig is for sale at halorig.com and you can with btc
13:30 rithm the camera was drop ship otc trade
13:30 rithm and so forth
13:31 davout mircea_popescu: "we heard you like dns, so we put a dns server in your dns server ..."
13:31 rithm mircea_popescu you actually read the logs?
13:31 mircea_popescu rithm every day since 2012.
13:31 rithm i'm gonna start trolling you when you are afk pretty hard
13:31 rithm now that i know this
13:31 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot rithm
13:31 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user rithm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=rithm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rithm | Rated since: Tue May 6 14:03:45 2014
13:31 ThickAsThieves there's a penalty for polluting rithm
13:31 mircea_popescu careful leetal grasshopper :D
13:31 ThickAsThieves assbot will fine you
13:32 rithm a penalty
13:32 mircea_popescu a penal tit
13:32 mircea_popescu ;;google penal tit
13:32 gribble PROGRAM BILL tit 3: <https://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/GPB3-PUBLIC-TRUST-ACT-MEMO.pdf>; Large Capacity Ammunition Magazines in California - Law Center to ...: <http://smartgunlaws.org/large-capacity-ammunition-magazines-in-california/>; PENAL CODE CHAPTER 21. SEXUAL OFFENSES: <http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/pe/htm/pe.21.htm>
13:32 rithm i love to be tied up and flogged
13:32 ThickAsThieves so the Titan coins were loaded like instantly
13:32 mircea_popescu /htm/ is such a good directory to have.
13:32 rithm so evil nick highlighting discouraged or outright banned?
13:33 BingoBoingo ;;google big tits rosebudding
13:33 gribble Rosebud, Lesbian Punishment - Pornhub.com: <http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=733490021>; Get The Big Breasts You've Always Wanted … With A Boob Scarf: <http://www.thefrisky.com/2010-06-01/get-the-big-breasts-youve-always-wanted-with-a-boob-scarf/>; Jennifer Love Hewitt's Boobs Have Served Her Well - The Frisky: <http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-03-08/jennifer-love- (1 more message)
13:33 ThickAsThieves and i emailed asking about gold ones cuz the website says out of stock
13:33 ThickAsThieves but they have 30
13:33 ThickAsThieves so i'ma get some
13:33 rithm i have one ThickAsThieves
13:33 rithm it is shiny
13:33 ThickAsThieves yep
13:33 ThickAsThieves i figure i want a lil gold anyway
13:34 rithm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuoB5aVP4gA
13:34 assbot Titan One Gold (Titan AU) - YouTube
13:34 ThickAsThieves such slideshow!
13:34 rithm my phone now does those for me
13:34 mircea_popescu mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p << how do you fit a girl in a lightbulb ?
13:35 rithm these new phones are magic
13:35 rithm like i can take a few pics and select a theme and boom slideshow
13:35 rithm works with video too
13:35 ThickAsThieves you can take the girl out of the lightbulb, but ya cant take the lightbulb outta the girl
13:36 pankkake assetters would simply declare that light is a scam
13:36 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what <<< mike_c i think we should cater to this guy :D
13:36 pankkake "For the record, a boatload of neckbeards doesn't pay for one single financier. This because tech people actually are humanly inferior to money people. They're less of a person."
13:37 mircea_popescu pankkake i'll have to revisit that nao that nasdaq wants to join teh fray :D
13:37 mike_c yes. sleepy bettors will be accomodated.
13:37 ThickAsThieves lol
13:38 ThickAsThieves it gets weirder tho
13:38 ThickAsThieves the address i bet from
13:38 ThickAsThieves isnt in my wallet
13:38 mircea_popescu lmao
13:38 pankkake are you using bitcoin-qt? it doesn't list change addresses
13:38 mircea_popescu remember that guy a year or so ago threatening to kill kako's plushie toys
13:38 mircea_popescu because we stole his moneyz!!!
13:38 mircea_popescu and then his address wasn't even on the bet ?
13:38 ThickAsThieves yeah pankkake, that must be it
13:39 mircea_popescu $depth d.bpay
13:39 empyex mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Bids:
13:39 empyex mircea_popescu: [D.BPAY] Asks: 900 @ 0.23999999
13:39 mircea_popescu $depth d.btgo
13:39 empyex mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Bids:
13:39 empyex mircea_popescu: [D.BTGO] Asks: 1000 @ 0.05249970
13:40 mircea_popescu if anyone wishes to invest...
13:40 ThickAsThieves major oversight in WoL
13:40 ThickAsThieves trollbox
13:41 mircea_popescu mike_c : add a webirc link to #wol in the page ?
13:42 ThickAsThieves imo it should be in the same window
13:42 ThickAsThieves think of the WoL Community man
13:42 mircea_popescu who ?
13:42 ThickAsThieves hehe
13:47 FabianB $traded
13:48 empyex FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: D.BPAY F.MPIF S.MPOE
13:48 pankkake !t m d.bpay
13:48 assbot [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)
13:48 pankkake :o
13:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.0005234 = 1.0468 BTC [+]
13:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21519 @ 0.00083149 = 17.8928 BTC [+] {2}
13:56 penguirker New blog post: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/25/no-do-not-dencentralize-everything/
14:07 Bet created: "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/
14:11 mircea_popescu pankkake scamveloper works
14:11 mircea_popescu sorta the confluence of scammer, eloper and developer
14:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.0008285 = 2.9826 BTC [-]
14:12 pankkake did not think of eloper
14:12 mircea_popescu :p
14:12 mircea_popescu you blew a link tho
14:12 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/%3Eexchanges%3C/a%3E,%20%3Ca%20href=
14:12 assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:12 pankkake I have another post coming :D I've deciced against a third by inserting it in the second
14:13 pankkake indeed… I've crapped on most of my hrefs while writing too
14:13 pankkake another reason I want to switch out of wordpress: writing HTML
14:14 BingoBoingo http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Police_ID_suspect_in_Philadelphia_gun_range_robberies.html
14:14 assbot Police seek suspect in Philadelphia gun range robberies
14:14 FabianB hm. doesn't nasdaq close in points and not in usd?
14:15 mircea_popescu i write html in wp
14:15 mircea_popescu FabianB ya
14:15 FabianB mircea_popescu: 20:07 <+[]bot> Bet created: "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/
14:15 assbot BitBet - Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014 :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`997 (100`000 to 1)
14:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6136 @ 0.00082822 = 5.082 BTC [-] {2}
14:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12414 @ 0.0008261 = 10.2552 BTC [-] {3}
14:24 BingoBoingo http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=140327616811443&w=2
14:24 assbot 'Re: compare memcmp with 0' - MARC
14:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0419997 = 0.84 BTC [-]
14:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.042 = 0.798 BTC [+]
14:39 davout pankkake: "Now some guy now wants to decentralize decentralized version control." <<< Oo
14:49 punkman http://news.yahoo.com/solar-roadways-210149010.html
14:49 assbot Crowdfunding campaign raises $2.2M to build solar roadways - Yahoo News
14:50 Namworld Re what I was talking about the other day concerning provably fair systems. To be fair, most casinos do the same thing re providing new server seeds after user's seed.
14:50 Namworld So I'll probably do a public campaign concerning all venues.
14:51 Namworld So I got some stuff written, concerning logic behind it and proposed change to such systems.
14:51 Namworld Here's what I have thus far: http://pastebin.com/bQj4fSht
14:51 assbot Provably Fair System - Pastebin.com
14:52 mircea_popescu Namworld you need a blog
14:52 Namworld I don't have one. Don't think I write often enough to attract any kind of regular audience regardless.
14:53 punkman I want to make a nice provably fair baccarat game. Get all those chinese bitcoins.
14:53 mircea_popescu 1. Client changes the seed after each new server seed, before every bet. He doesn't know server seed, so seed he provides should give a random number. (Painfully tedious, few actually do it, but for those who do, provably fair.) << prolly a bot that does this would be useful.
14:53 BingoBoingo http://www.govexec.com/federal-news/fedblog/2014/06/epa-employees-told-stop-pooping-hallway/87223/
14:53 assbot EPA Employees Told to Stop Pooping in the Hallway - Fedblog - News - GovExec.com
14:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00082949 = 4.5622 BTC [+]
14:53 mircea_popescu Namworld stop being stubborn. if you put up text like that you need a blog. how's someone going to comment on it for instance ? how's someone coming in 1 year know what was already commented ?
14:54 Namworld Yes, it should indeed be a requirement to have such an external tool for current venues.
14:54 Namworld mircea, I'll probably just post it on the gambling forum where it is relevant and let people pitch in.
14:55 Namworld At least there's a large, targeted audience there.
14:55 mircea_popescu i guess also
14:55 mircea_popescu punkman i never got bacarrat, but you know what might be a good idea ?
14:56 mircea_popescu a museum of gambling site
14:56 mircea_popescu play all the games that meanwhile died, from ancient egypt and fenicia to chemin-du-fer
14:56 punkman not bad
14:57 mircea_popescu Namworld "No, you wouldn't be able to notice that the website, across all players, has a much higher house edge than 1% which is unlikely. It's easy to fill with fake "lucky" account to compensate " << you could notice it over your own experience.
14:57 mircea_popescu jd for instance allows you to run 0 bet sampling rounds of infinite size.
14:57 mircea_popescu or should i say allowed.
14:59 mircea_popescu but anywqay, this entire paper is not about server cheating, it's about how "if you're lazy and stupid you might lose". sure. as it should be. let people make proper betting bots with seeding per bet
14:59 mircea_popescu and yes jd was correctly implemented.
15:00 penguirker New blog post: http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/25/bitcoin-is-not-a-payment-network/
15:01 mircea_popescu the coinroll "end of the day disclosure" method is also acceptable. it may be open to abuse for low volume sites (based on finding hash collisions, much in the same way mining works) but doesn't seem too practical
15:01 mircea_popescu client's last deposit tx is good, and a lot of space in there in the block in case it's needed.
15:02 mircea_popescu i still say you should make a blog.
15:02 Namworld It doesn't help much if the system is targetting accounts with large balance and stops cheating after a small sample/when the large balance isn't making large bets.
15:03 mircea_popescu this is true
15:03 Namworld They could steal a few thousands extra BTC on large bets which might not seem too odd until it's too late.
15:03 Namworld Would also be costly to attempt to verify by betting.
15:04 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitbet-us-scammers-ignore-delivered-bfl-products.114047/
15:04 assbot bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products | Bitcointa.lk
15:04 mircea_popescu lol epic
15:07 mircea_popescu Namworld do you see why the jd "show on request" model is slightly stronger for fairness than the "fixed time disclosure" ?
15:08 mircea_popescu pankkake "Then there is services like" there are.
15:09 Namworld How is it stronger for fairness? Server seed provided prior to client seed.
15:09 mircea_popescu let me show you a model.
15:09 pankkake I thought about it, and decided "there is" was the correct form, as I am saying "services like this exist"
15:09 Namworld Sure
15:10 pankkake but maybe I am confused about the grammar
15:10 mircea_popescu you are yes.
15:10 mircea_popescu Namworld suppose site switcxhes at 1 btc. so :
15:10 mircea_popescu server seed is "A". 0.1 btc comes in, is calculated. wins or loses.
15:10 mircea_popescu 0.2 btc comes in, idem calculated.
15:10 mircea_popescu at this point, server is also mining, and knows that hash "B" would also be consistent with the history so far.
15:11 mircea_popescu ie, either "A" or "B" would give the 0.1 and 0.2 bets same results.
15:11 mircea_popescu 1.2 btc bet comes in. server looks at results, A wins, B loses. server picks its hash as B and reconstructs the merkle tree
15:11 mircea_popescu now, if you know when the hash will have to be revealed, this is possible
15:12 mircea_popescu if hash may be revealed at any random point, this is suddenly problematic
15:12 Namworld There's a single server seed for all users for the day... with its hash predisclosed. It would be pretty much impossible to reasonably find another seed that matches the hash...
15:12 mircea_popescu the absolutely ideal system, imo, would be a server that used the same secret for ALL PLAYERS and reset it (for all players) at any player's request. but this poses problems for anon players.
15:12 mircea_popescu it's a conundrum
15:13 mircea_popescu Namworld a you also predisclose the hash ?
15:13 ThickAsThieves pankkake why do you lie to us http://www.coindesk.com/intuit-merchants-accept-bitcoin-paybycoin-service/
15:13 assbot Intuit Lets Merchants Accept Bitcoin With New 'PayByCoin' Service
15:13 Namworld Yes, there's a list with months of secrets' hashes provided upfront.
15:13 Namworld Like JD provides the server's seed hash.
15:13 ThickAsThieves (intuit is what most small businesses and more use for acconting in US)
15:14 mircea_popescu Namworld a ok nm then, it's quite strong
15:14 Namworld Here: https://coinroll.com/files/secrethashes.txt
15:14 mircea_popescu "Now some guy now wants" pankkake must proof moar omg
15:14 Namworld That and we don't provide a default client seed, we use the blockchain transaction ID of the last deposit.
15:15 mircea_popescu Namworld ya that part is very good.
15:15 Namworld So by default all players should be covered correctly
15:15 Namworld No work to do on the user's part, other than verification.
15:15 mircea_popescu Namworld why is that txt not signed ?
15:16 mircea_popescu and also it's a fine example of what'd go into the bitcoin-assets registrar of deeds.
15:16 mircea_popescu was someone working on that ?
15:16 pankkake this is why I usually don't publish after writing, but hey…
15:17 ThickAsThieves The BA Registrar & Brokerage House & Auto Parts
15:17 mircea_popescu lol
15:17 Namworld Not sure, would probably be best for list to be signed.
15:17 Namworld Jurov would have to look into that.
15:17 mircea_popescu Namworld if you want i can sign it for you. then whoever wants to say you changed it will also have to say i signed a new version.
15:19 Namworld If you're willing to do so, it would be great. Don't forget to include date.
15:20 mircea_popescu alrighty.
15:20 dignork mircea_popescu: waste some money - http://www.proofofexistence.com/about
15:20 assbot Proof of Existence
15:20 Namworld I trust jurov not to lose/have list of secrets compromised. Although list/signatures might need to be updated if Coinroll is sold again to another party or list is compromised.
15:20 mircea_popescu dignork youll have to search for that term :D
15:21 Namworld A date with signatures shows when it was acknowledged to be changed. Such that none can claim a specific change occured prior to that date.
15:21 Namworld Maybe dooglus would be willing to sign the list too.
15:21 Namworld 2 strong parties to sign, along with jurov as the owner.
15:21 Namworld Should be sufficient.
15:22 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665403.0
15:22 assbot Why Do You Invest?
15:23 dignork mircea_popescu: irony detector fails me today, the link was about provable timestamping, for you gpg sig on Namworld text
15:24 mircea_popescu dignork http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=proofofexistence
15:24 assbot 3 results for 'proofofexistence' - #bitcoin-assets search
15:29 mircea_popescu Namworld http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/coinrolltxt.asc
15:30 mircea_popescu pankkake it's not you is it ?
15:30 pankkake no, it's the infamous crumbs
15:30 Namworld Thank you very much.
15:31 Namworld I'll ask dooglus if he can do the same. Jurov or wao can publish both signed text files on the verification page.
15:31 mircea_popescu sure.
15:32 Bet created: "Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer to be Yahoo CEO no more" http://bitbet.us/bet/967/
15:32 mircea_popescu what's crumbs infamous for again ?
15:32 pankkake trolling Legitimate Bitcoin Companies
15:34 mircea_popescu lol k
15:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04747994 = 0.7122 BTC [-] {2}
15:35 mircea_popescu "A more formalized version of this should be linked/appended to every single IPO offering on the forums as a cautionary tale. "
15:35 mircea_popescu yeah, totally, let's ban mpoe-pr for doing it :D
15:35 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-starts-deploying-cloud-mining-customers-waiting-monarchs/
15:36 mircea_popescu oggnasty : "Valuing these offerings over time in BTC is idiotic..."
15:36 mircea_popescu herpderp.
15:36 mircea_popescu "You ask why people invest... Let me answer that for you as I have decades of experience providing analysis to investors... "
15:36 mircea_popescu o brother.
15:38 mircea_popescu o wait. I'm lambchop ?!
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15:38 pankkake so altcoin hashrate is basically one KnC Neptune
15:38 mircea_popescu 3th or so no ?
15:38 pankkake yes
15:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00082742 = 4.3026 BTC [-]
15:39 mircea_popescu yeah. like 6k usd total investment.
15:39 mircea_popescu or about 10 btc. while a block is worth about 5k-10 satoshi
15:40 mircea_popescu so you'd have to find 100k blocks or thereabouts to break even
15:40 mircea_popescu (did i fuck up my math ?)
15:42 mircea_popescu pankkake http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/#comment-101734 fixed link nao can has pingback
15:42 assbot Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:44 mircea_popescu "Bitcoin with an infinite but reasonable inflation would not be so different."
15:44 mircea_popescu what the fuck does that mean
15:45 pankkake I agree the formulation isn't ideal. I mean, what if block reward was 1 BTC forever
15:45 mircea_popescu but you're right, the only current business of pseudo-bitcoin businesses a la coinbase, bitpay etc is that they're benefiting from a legal inefficiency, where exchanges that admit it are being fucked actively, whereas exchangesd that pretend to be paymernt processors aren't fucked quite as bad quite as yet.
15:46 mircea_popescu pankkake that is matematically equivalent to "each block is its own sort of halving"
15:47 mircea_popescu in theory it should make no difference.
15:47 pankkake yes. but even yearly fixed inflation wouldn't be that bad imho
15:47 mircea_popescu anyway, i like your newfound activity.
15:48 mircea_popescu well imho based on what ?
15:48 mircea_popescu This blog is the inalienable property of the greatest mind the universe ever had, and is ever going to have. Its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons License.
15:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04200184 = 0.588 BTC [-] {2}
15:48 mircea_popescu I encourage you to visit the links: the profiles section will help you in your daily worshiping of myself, while the other sections will allow you to experience the productions of some other great minds. However, you will come to the inevitable conclusion that I’m better than all of them combined.
15:48 mircea_popescu hahaha srsly ?>
15:49 pankkake I think predictable money supply is the most interesting property
15:49 pankkake of course, Bernankoin has somewhat predictable money supply and is worthless by design
15:49 mircea_popescu actually i think something else is the most interesting property, and sorta too lazyto write blogpost
15:54 mircea_popescu actually looking at http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ ... 60 posts past two weeks ?
15:54 assbot Assets Assimilated
15:54 mircea_popescu quite the vibrant little community we got here. there's even a manul in a treehouse!
15:56 pankkake and many new blogs
16:09 mircea_popescu like 3 posts / head i tcomes to
16:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0478897 = 1.6761 BTC [+] {2}
16:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00082568 = 43.761 BTC [-] {4}
16:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00082405 = 14.5857 BTC [-] {2}
16:23 kakobrekla ;;bc,stats
16:23 gribble Current Blocks: 307808 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 639 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 17 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16689850735.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.97216
16:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.0478 = 1.0038 BTC [-]
16:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0478 = 0.717 BTC [-]
16:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.0008229 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2}
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16:54 mthreat http://bakerlaw.com/alerts/bitcoin-investment-vehicles-beware-the-sec-is-watching
16:54 assbot Bitcoin Investment Vehicles Beware The SEC is Watching | BakerHostetler
16:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0008293 = 11.3614 BTC [+] {2}
17:02 mircea_popescu http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/06/19/daniellemaye-30789/images/full/05.jpg
17:02 mircea_popescu dem shoes
17:04 mircea_popescu mthreat all this "we gotta say something and we have no idea what to say so here's a collection of copypasted material with filler" shit...
17:04 mircea_popescu fiat people : stop trying to pretend bitcoin is fiat. bitcoin is not fiat. more importantly, your expiration date is in the past.
17:05 rithm evoorhees according to that article left 5100BTC positive and $50,000 usd negative in fines
17:05 rithm which sounds like a terribll terribly punitive slap on the wrist
17:06 rithm but yeah that regurgitated
17:08 mircea_popescu rithm the misguided pretense as to jurisdiction is starting to get on my nerves. sec doesn't actually make it, but all sorts of dr foreskin lapdogs fall over each other to "create consensus"
17:09 rithm if you can tell them to fuck off, and trendon can lie to them and destroy evidence, and erik can keep all his bitcoins and fay a minor usd fine.....
17:09 rithm nm i decided not to finish that sentence
17:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00083085 = 6.4806 BTC [+]
17:10 rithm also aparently the IRS only keep backup tapes for 6 months
17:10 mircea_popescu well that depends. if it suits them, they only keep them for 6 months.
17:11 rithm that's what i learned
17:11 mircea_popescu otherwise, you're "legally required" to keep the records for... ever.
17:11 rithm why have i been filing these taxes and keeping these papers for so long if I can just say "i dunno"
17:11 mircea_popescu i so wouldlike to see someone grow some fucking balls and argue in court that they're not hold to do anything the irs wants because well... the irs doesn't follow the law.
17:13 ThickAsThieves "As we have capacity available and as we gain more capacity, we will be activating more people in Cloud Mining. As we ship out hardware and disable the people with Cloud Mining after they have their hardware shipped, we will allocate that capacity to the next people in line. "
17:13 ThickAsThieves BFL, the hits keep coming
17:13 ThickAsThieves they are giving people rented hash shares instead of shipping their hardware
17:13 ThickAsThieves pretty awesome stuff
17:13 mircea_popescu sure.
17:14 mircea_popescu please keep buying shit at par, we'll give you rented hashes for 5% six months later
17:14 mircea_popescu the gigavps method
17:14 mircea_popescu meanwhile the sec is too fucking snotty to actually get to work at strangling these idiots.
17:18 rithm mircea_popescu, even better rent the burn-in period as "cloud hashing"
17:18 rithm it's really all the same
17:19 mircea_popescu !up felipelalli
17:19 mircea_popescu "burn-in" lol
17:19 rithm basically you could operate a pool of anonymous miners that constantly roll-over and get shipped to customers
17:19 rithm as part of a lrger operation
17:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083085 = 2.7418 BTC [+]
17:22 ThickAsThieves 'How much of a threat is something like Bitcoin?' "We settle and pay out in 121 currencies ... once bitcoin is regulated ... why wouldn't we use bitcoin ... if it's regulated as a currency" ~ Western Union CEO
17:24 mircea_popescu truth is bitcoin is exactly going to kill them. western union has a market made out of illiterate peasants and assimilated non-persons, which is not really worth serving per se,
17:25 mircea_popescu and a market of "hackers" let's say, ie, the sons and daughters of said iliterate peasants. who will just move to bitcoin.
17:25 ThickAsThieves Aereo lost huh
17:25 pankkake WU is used for many scams, so they are truly in competition with Bitcoin
17:26 ThickAsThieves "The 17 most important things Google announced at I/O" lol
17:26 rithm i've seen WU operate in poor countries
17:26 rithm it's a monopoly
17:27 rithm i should say 3
17:27 mthreat it's kinda like western union saying they won't use the internet until it's regulated
17:27 rithm "countries" sounds like a lot
17:27 rithm but i've seen them in mexico, the vigin islands, and western samoa
17:27 rithm there's a WU on every block
17:28 pankkake well that's what they're selling. send money, everywhere
17:28 pankkake perhaps the real competitor is localbitcoins
17:34 ThickAsThieves "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin, increasing the risk there could be inconsistencies in the financial reporting of bitcoin transactions. The lack of accounting rules means the coin will be accounted and reported using the most appropriate standards that exist making it challenging to compare GAAP between different companies
17:34 ThickAsThieves transacting in bitcoin. Investors should carefully watch and judge the reporting to make sure they understand, and agree, with management’s view." Moodys
17:36 ThickAsThieves Name of the Day: Perianne Boring, of Boring & Company
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17:51 mircea_popescu somebody failed to read up on the nz0
17:51 mircea_popescu who was it ?
17:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00082231 = 6.2496 BTC [-]
17:52 bitcoinpete pankkake davout do either of you boys know anyone at the "house of bitcoin" in paris?
17:52 pankkake I think davout does
17:53 mircea_popescu No results found for "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin".
17:53 mircea_popescu someone gotta up their googlefu
17:53 bitcoinpete pankkake: heh cool
17:53 mircea_popescu http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/offtopic-abandoning-bitstamp/ < pankkake wrong link ?
17:53 assbot Page not found | Bitcoin Trading Signals
17:54 ThickAsThieves mp the quote was not from PR
17:54 ThickAsThieves internal data sheet
17:54 mircea_popescu "The poorly thought trust system also highly favor said organization" favors. cause singular.
17:54 pankkake I think he removed the post
17:54 bitcoinpete a "bitcoiner" i know from calgary is in paris atm and headed to the house of bitcoin
17:54 bitcoinpete apparently they knew yours truly from twitter and -assets
17:55 bitcoinpete was curious if any of the house of bitcoiners were here
17:55 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves internal to whom ?
17:56 ThickAsThieves "Sector Comment" looks like an internal newsletter or somesuch
17:56 ThickAsThieves it has a "Rate this Research" button on the bottom, so i'm guessing itll be on their website somewhere
17:57 mircea_popescu right but i mean of whom or what or in general, who needs to be hit over the head with the observation that the bitcoin space has had a gaap for years and they're being ignorant.
17:57 ThickAsThieves ah
17:57 mircea_popescu just because scammers don't use gaap in fiat too doesn't give ignoramuses aspiring to comment the right to pretend gaap doesn't exist, or its use isn't legally mandatory.
17:58 ThickAsThieves it's by Jason Cuomo, Senior Accounting Analyst & Jeffrey Berg, Senior Vice President
17:59 ThickAsThieves Production Associate, Srinivasan Raghavan
17:59 mircea_popescu there's about 50 diff lawyers of that name. anyway.
17:59 mircea_popescu is this some sort of webcast ?
17:59 ThickAsThieves i have ph# if you really want it
17:59 ThickAsThieves no it's pdf from a friend that knows a guy at Moodys
17:59 mircea_popescu finding the source link to a quote has never been this difficult
17:59 mircea_popescu a. well then i guess friend can see the log or w/e.
17:59 ThickAsThieves Report Number: 167942
18:00 thestringpuller girls just wanna have fuuuun
18:00 mircea_popescu lol
18:00 mircea_popescu anyway this aereo thing is going to cause problems in the future.
18:00 mircea_popescu “Why should any of these technological differences matter?” Breyer wrote. “They concern the behind-the-scenes way in which Aereo delivers television programming to its viewers’ screens. They do not render Aereo’s commercial objective any different from that of cable companies.”
18:01 mircea_popescu "we decided not to go by what things are, but by what things seem to us" is nothing but an open invitation to be scammed.
18:02 mircea_popescu “It is not the role of this court to identify and plug loopholes,” Scalia wrote. “It is the role of good lawyers to identify and exploit them, and the role of Congress to eliminate them if it wishes.” << i could see scalia as bitcoin chief justice.
18:02 ThickAsThieves he's said some crazy shit though
18:02 mircea_popescu like ?
18:03 justusranvier It is the role of that court to present the peasants with the illusion of fair play and the rule of law so they don't revolt. They aren't doing a very good job.
18:03 ThickAsThieves i forget exactly, we've discussed it here i think
18:03 ThickAsThieves http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalia
18:03 assbot 14 results for 'scalia' - #bitcoin-assets search
18:04 mircea_popescu justusranvier i dunno. as a compulsive reader of supreme court caselaw up until about the 70s i must say it was pretty good literature.
18:04 justusranvier They used to do a much better job of maintaining the illusion.
18:04 mircea_popescu i guess that argument is always available.
18:04 mircea_popescu anyway, bbl!
18:06 justusranvier mircea_popescu: For when you get back: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm
18:06 justusranvier Try not to let the atrocious web design detract from the content.
18:07 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.40421879 BTC. Current weight: 48,020.
18:11 davout bitcoinpete: yeah, i know the guys and the place
18:11 davout wai
18:12 moiety someone tell me again why i run a site that attracts utter retardation on a frequent basis
18:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7719 @ 0.00082254 = 6.3492 BTC [+]
18:13 bitcoinpete davout seems they follow the action on -assets and know who i am, much to the surprise of a developer i know visiting paris
18:13 dub wat is house of bitcoin?
18:13 bitcoinpete it's a bit surprising to me too because most of those community-minded types wouldn't (and couldn't) touch -assets with a 10 ft stick
18:14 davout dub: it's like a coworking space/atm spot/meetup place
18:14 bitcoinpete dub my guess is an embassy/work space/community
18:14 bitcoinpete right
18:14 dub sounds like it should contain wax statues of scammers and retards
18:14 bitcoinpete there's one in new york, tel aviv, montreal, etc
18:15 bitcoinpete dub sorta
18:15 bitcoinpete they should really just be here instead
18:15 davout the guys are also behind the french "association bitcoin"
18:15 bitcoinpete and no doubt they're pushing for merchant adoption. and regulation
18:16 dub is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto
18:16 davout dub: that sounds like redditspeak
18:20 dub give a troll a break, trying to fill my quota here
18:24 mircea_popescu justusranvier lol that's quickly becoming one of the most loved b-a links
18:24 mircea_popescu moiety cause you're new ?
18:26 pankkake I googled "Bitcoin is not a payment network" and guess who I end up finding… MPOE-PR
18:26 mircea_popescu surprise surprise
18:26 mircea_popescu (but yes I said it first)
18:26 mircea_popescu <dub> is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto << don't knock it, it's a splendid strategy.
18:29 davout "(but yes I said it first)" <<< i think i said that in 2010 ;)
18:29 mircea_popescu but since pankkake got me re-reading old things, yea, i like this fluffypony bit :
18:29 mircea_popescu "That last point probably needs some elaboration. You see, #bitcoin-assets makes a distinction between “being wrong” and “being stupid”. If you are “wrong” about something the implication is (and should be) that you are self-aware enough to explain your reasoning well enough that one of three outcomes occur: those in conversation either come round to your point of view; or they agree that you have a valid l
18:29 mircea_popescu ine of reasoning and are entitled to hold that viewpoint; or your self-awareness and general level of intelligence allows you to change your opinion or view. Thus, being “wrong” (or having to defend your view) is encouraged!"
18:29 mircea_popescu davout yeah but yours doesn't count because it was before mine!
18:31 mircea_popescu http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ?
18:31 davout mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpusbL62eB4&feature=kp
18:31 assbot Orlando's - YouTube
18:32 mircea_popescu btw, nigeria lost
18:32 davout yo, playing france on the 30th
18:32 mircea_popescu ahahaha
18:33 davout france vs. ecuador was such a fucking pain to watch
18:33 mircea_popescu are they playing the women's french team ?
18:34 bitcoinpete pankkake: are you on twitter?
18:34 pankkake no
18:34 bitcoinpete a ok
18:34 mircea_popescu he threatened to kill trayvon martin
18:34 mircea_popescu and got suspended
18:35 bitcoinpete lol
18:35 bitcoinpete just wanted to see if i could attribute your articles there
18:35 mircea_popescu he has a blog
18:36 pankkake funny though, friends randomly met some guy that knew me from what.cd, I have achieved mild internet celebrity
18:36 bitcoinpete i doubt @headfucking is taken
18:36 bitcoinpete ok confirmed now, it's free
18:36 davout or takeable i'd assume
18:36 pankkake I *had* a Twitter account but was never really active, and closed it years ago
18:36 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: agreed. blog > twitter
18:37 davout hm, i guess @fuck is taken, so tis possibru
18:38 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/fuckme
18:38 assbot The Watcher (fuckme) auf Twitter
18:38 mircea_popescu dead since 2011
18:38 mircea_popescu roughly speaking the year twitter peaked.
18:38 bitcoinpete pretty much
18:39 bitcoinpete 2010 seemed to be the coming out party
18:39 bitcoinpete 2011 was probably tops
18:39 bitcoinpete and here we are, 3 years on. starting new blogs
18:40 pankkake I had a blog when it was trendy to have one
18:40 bitcoinpete lol donations! http://www.coindesk.com/adopt-node-project-aims-bolster-bitcoin-network-security/
18:40 assbot 'Adopt a Node' Project Aims to Bolster Bitcoin Network Security
18:40 bitcoinpete pankkake: and when was this?
18:41 moiety i'm learning quick though mircea_popescu :]
18:41 mircea_popescu :p remember kitten, one of the first things i said to you was wtf you doing with the doge
18:41 pankkake my first post is probably 2004
18:41 moiety do yous remember the failed attampt at a bitcoin facebook?
18:41 davout moiety: lol no, shoot
18:42 moiety mircea_popescu: a question I have since repeated tomyself so many times.
18:42 moiety davout, it was exactly the same as facebook but orange and had bitcoin symbols everywhere. i think it failed so badly, theytried to sell it and couldn't even pan it off
18:42 pankkake wait I've been running a node for years, can I get paid?!
18:43 pankkake or is it only funding nodes ran by the same guy (but decentralization!)
18:43 bitcoinpete pankkake: running nodes, writing for your blog, everything should get you paid!
18:43 pankkake actually, first post: September 2003
18:43 bitcoinpete solid
18:43 mircea_popescu on reading http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/f-derp-short-risky-bitcoin-startups/2014/06/25 towards where it says "the log of the original discussion", am i the only one for whom that link comes as some sort of doge thing rather than a log linkj ?
18:43 assbot F.DERP, A New Bitcoin Short-Only Hedge Fund Targeting Major Bitcoin Startups
18:43 mircea_popescu somethign weird going on with overlays in there
18:44 mircea_popescu pankkake can you believe the braindamage ?
18:45 TheNewDeal ok I have a stupid question. What happens if I have two vending machines that sit side by side and both accept bitcoin. Will people have to wait for 6 confirmations to receive goods, or is there some other way to receive their bitcoin safely?
18:45 pankkake link is ok, thank god for noscript/requestpolicy/etc
18:46 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal at the size of your purchase you can prollylet them go on one confirm. who's gonna dblspend for a can of coke
18:46 TheNewDeal friggin candy addicts
18:46 pankkake do you think they will double spend to buy cheap food? in a physical location?
18:46 mircea_popescu get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it
18:47 mircea_popescu you got a better deal with this than with them putting in us quarters anyway.
18:47 TheNewDeal ok what happens if I have a laundromat and the washer accept bitcoin. Someone finds out they can just come and get two loads for the price of 1, dry 2 loads for the price of 1, etc
18:47 mircea_popescu ya right,.
18:47 justusranvier re: getting paid to operate nodes: http://sourceforce.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32467926/
18:47 assbot sourceforce.net
18:47 mircea_popescu someone doing that much hash doesn't need your puny 5kw tumble drier
18:48 mircea_popescu they got their very own 12 MW thing
18:48 TheNewDeal do you need to hash at all?
18:48 mircea_popescu yes.
18:48 TheNewDeal I thought you could just send 2 transactions before a block is mined
18:48 mircea_popescu so you'd see the other one first ?
18:48 TheNewDeal doesnt propagation take on the scale of minutes?
18:48 mircea_popescu 6 confirms (as opposed to 1 confirm) only matters if they are actively mining and attacking the chain
18:49 mircea_popescu 1 confirm (as opposed to 0 confirms) helps if they try to isolate you in the convey txn graph
18:49 mircea_popescu but this you can fight by keeping good peers.
18:49 pankkake nodes shouldn't propagate the doublespent tx if they have the first, but of course it's not 100% reliable
18:50 mircea_popescu it's about 96% reliable atm i think
18:50 TheNewDeal couldn't any derp go to blockchain tho?
18:50 TheNewDeal just use the doublespend feature
18:50 pankkake you mean bitundo?
18:50 mircea_popescu it';s not really all that trivial.
18:51 mircea_popescu nobody's doublespending your .85 bitcent stale sandwich
18:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0163868 = 0.8193 BTC [+] {2}
18:51 TheNewDeal more concerned about the laundry :D
18:51 davout am i the only one to think it's actually stupid to not relay double spends ?
18:51 mike_c this was explored exhaustively with satoshi dice. some serious gymnastics pulled it off with trivial amounts, and SD then reacted and closed that loophole as well.
18:51 pankkake davout: I've read some interesting debates but I don't remember them
18:51 TheNewDeal can I get a linky to their solution?
18:51 mircea_popescu yeah, what mike_c said.
18:52 mircea_popescu davout not really much diff. sort-of poisons you as it were.
18:52 moiety davout: I can't find any screens of it. here's the logo https://bitcointa.lk/data/avatars/m/78/78316.jpg?1393513983 Bitcoin Socially it was called.
18:52 mike_c the double spend had to do with making the SD tx ugly (lots of inputs), and double-spending with a fee. SD just started using fees and problem went away iirc.
18:53 davout mircea_popescu: "sort-of poisons you as it were." <<< does not parse
18:53 pankkake iirc the payment protocol (I know, right) can make propagating the transaction the responsibility of the merchant
18:53 mircea_popescu davout type 1 (pick one tx, relay that) "poisons" the nodes that got the dblspend. type 2 (relay all) doesn't.
18:54 mircea_popescu imo type 1 behaviour is better
18:54 mircea_popescu but they don't make that much difference
18:54 davout pankkake mircea_popescu i tend to think it's better to transparently relay both txes, so that they're much easier to detect if you care about them
18:54 mircea_popescu well yeah. conversely, type 1 makes it obvious which nodes get poisoned
18:55 mircea_popescu would you rather see the bad tx or the "bad" nodes ?
18:55 davout i think it's easier to handle an obvious double spend than to keep track of 'good' vs. 'evil' nodes
18:55 mircea_popescu seeing how blacklisting is still a thing, consensus kinda favoured current behaviour for good game theoretic reasons
18:55 pankkake https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3354
18:55 assbot Relay first-double-spend transactions by gavinandresen Pull Request #3354 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
18:56 mircea_popescu it was argued this isn't so smart. but anyway
18:58 Naphex anyone can recommend a easy tool to sign multi-sig transactions ?
18:58 Naphex to pass to a noob to sign his stuff
18:58 mircea_popescu anyway, node behaviour is going to be the major topic of 2015 i suspect.
18:59 mircea_popescu they have no incentive (perhaps the best candidate for a satoshi oversight is not putting any incentive for tx relay at all) to behave properly and a lot of different types of misbehaviours necessarily include themn
18:59 TheNewDeal why so
19:00 davout mircea_popescu: "it was argued this isn't so smart." <<< i'd be interested in reading the argument
19:01 mircea_popescu davout you're mostly rehashing it right now ?
19:01 mircea_popescu anyway, salmon's here. bbl #2!
19:02 davout mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i'm usually not very fond of arguments that nodes should behave a particular way, simply interested in the case against transparently relaying all legal txes, even if they are double spends
19:05 TheNewDeal well what happens to a node that has a transaction and receives information about a double spend of that transaction?
19:06 mike_c you mean what happens when a block is orphaned?
19:06 TheNewDeal hmmm
19:06 TheNewDeal i just started reading about this statoshi client today so forgive my ignorance http://coinchomp.com/2014/05/07/announcing-statoshi-realtime-bitcoin-node-statistics/
19:06 assbot Announcing Statoshi: Realtime Bitcoin Node Statistics - CoinChomp
19:06 davout TheNewDeal: you don't double spend a transaction, you double spend an output, but other than that, nothing really until one of them gets into a mined block, more information can't really hurt
19:07 TheNewDeal unless of course you're receiving an immediate service
19:07 TheNewDeal isn't there something about nodes being banned for like 24 hours for bad behavior?
19:09 TheNewDeal I'm just thinking in terms of my vending machine example
19:09 TheNewDeal might be in full retard mode
19:11 mthreat anyone loaded the blockchain into a graph database like neo4j? google released another graph database today, https://github.com/google/cayley
19:11 assbot google/cayley GitHub
19:11 davout mthreat: i know a guy that did if you're interdasted
19:12 bitcoinpete on the bitbettery: http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/#comment-101741 nao with fickst avatar!
19:12 assbot The results of the World Cup experiment. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:12 davout TheNewDeal: i think what you're referring to is nodes banning some of their peers, you don't really ban nodes from the network
19:12 TheNewDeal yes indeed
19:13 mthreat davout: ya i'm kind of interested - any interesting results?
19:13 TheNewDeal wasn't sure if it was considered bad behavior to propagate a double spent output
19:13 dignork Naphex: if it's 2-3 multisig, check bitrated.com, it allows to use online generated keys, or just use pubkeys
19:13 davout TheNewDeal: if you give some low value thing in exchange for a zero-conf tx, you might find it useful to immediately get the information that someone is attempting a double spend, rather than having the info cock-blocked
19:14 davout mthreat: i didn't really dig, what kind of results are you after ?
19:14 Naphex dignork: nah something custom, just sign a multisig with a privkey
19:14 mthreat davout: nothing specific.. just seems like there could be some interesting stuff, watching the flow of coins
19:15 dignork Naphex: https://github.com/spesmilo/sx then
19:15 assbot spesmilo/sx GitHub
19:15 davout mthreat: have you read the paper from adi shamir and dorit ron?
19:15 mthreat davout: yeah
19:16 Naphex the yeah i know sx, but needed something to give to a noob. who won;t be able to command line it:P
19:16 bitcoinpete ;;later tell mircea_popescu which trilema article featured this dood ? seem to recall seeing mr. wonderful there at some point http://www.businessinsider.com/chen-guangbiao-lunch-cash-giveaway-2014-6
19:16 assbot Chen Guangbiao Lunch Cash Giveaway - Business Insider
19:16 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:16 Naphex but i'll probably write something simple to sign it
19:16 davout mthreat: so you know as much as i do ;) i'll put you in touch with the guy that did it if you want to implement sthg on your side
19:17 mthreat davout: ah.. no that's ok.. thanks
19:17 davout Naphex: you apparently haven't learned the "don't give people bitcoins if they ain't educated enough to handle them themselves" lesson heh?
19:20 Naphex davout: just need em to sign a transaction once in a while
19:21 thestringpuller davout: hah. but if those people make us look better.
19:24 davout Naphex: maybe an idea would be for them to simply use the qt built-in console rather than a full-fledged terminal?
19:25 Naphex davout: yep, but you need to make a json array with the redeemScript, inputs and script-pubkey
19:25 Naphex which requires quite some manual work
19:25 Naphex would probably be easier with bash and terminal
19:26 Naphex then with current bitcoin-cli multisig
19:26 dignork Naphex: you can show them full json on site/send by email w/e
19:26 Naphex yeah - will probably just write some simple tool
19:27 Naphex put raw transaction in, + privkey sign it
19:27 Naphex i create transaction and just pass it
19:29 Naphex probably even simplify and use lotsa scrypt rounds and use a password to gen priv key
19:29 Naphex then they can just sign with password
19:30 dignork Naphex: look at bitrated.com, they did it properly, and their code is on github
19:31 dignork actually they - shesek, you can talk to him
19:31 Naphex its no problem, was just looking for a already made tool
19:32 dignork Naphex: there is also http://ms-brainwallet.org/ , but it's horribly wrong
19:32 assbot Multi-Signature Brainwallet - JavaScript Client-Side Bitcoin Address Generator
19:32 Naphex dignork: thx, haven't seen this one before
19:33 Naphex only the outcast one which looked to only work with its own privkeys
19:33 Naphex dunno why the hell
19:33 Naphex dignork: lol, ms-brainwallet doesn't look right needing both keys :)
19:33 dignork yeah, braindead
19:34 dignork it was a POC code I assume
19:34 Naphex probably
19:34 Naphex but kinda fits, what i was looking for is something where you input transaction, signed & composed by person A
19:34 Naphex and person B can just sign it providing redemption + privkey
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00082446 = 1.484 BTC [+]
19:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.04765432 = 1.7632 BTC [+] {3}
19:35 dignork yeah, but it expects two privkeys :)
19:35 Naphex and the raw transaction is read only :P
19:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0478 = 2.151 BTC [+]
19:39 Naphex bitcoinjs looks to have multisig support
19:39 Naphex maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that
19:39 dignork Naphex: dealing with noobs, worst question is: how do I get a pubkey
19:40 mike_c <+Naphex> maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that << famous last words?
19:40 Naphex mike_c: its just for signing a transactions that is already composed and signed, multi sig also
19:40 Naphex i wouldn't care much even if 2nd key got compromised, since the raw pre-signed transaction delivered is already composed
19:41 mike_c "JavaScript-based cryptography" just sounds.. terrifying.
19:41 Naphex i agree
19:41 Naphex but for signing a multisig not that bad
19:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00082446 = 5.5239 BTC [+]
19:44 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ? /// I think it's my disqus avatar
19:44 ThickAsThieves never forget!
19:46 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it /// until someone makes some AirbndUberApp that makes doublespending a crowdgoal or whatever
19:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.0008244 = 1.319 BTC [-]
19:58 Naphex gn
20:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.04455639 = 0.5792 BTC [-] {4}
20:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19231 @ 0.00082318 = 15.8306 BTC [-] {3}
20:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00082204 = 9.9878 BTC [-]
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20:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19819 @ 0.00082356 = 16.3221 BTC [+] {2}
20:58 mod6 %d
20:58 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 382007.64 in 1850 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -25.32
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21:16 moiety http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/new-creationist-museum-explains-how-noah-managed-to-fit-dinosaurs-on-the-ark-9552108.html
21:16 assbot New creationist museum explains how Noah managed to fit dinosaurs on the ark - Weird News - News - The Independent
21:17 TheNewDeal nice
21:18 TheNewDeal was wondering how he did dat
21:20 TheNewDeal I'm getting really excited for this silk road auction. Can't wait to see how it goes down
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21:40 benkay makes perfect sense, mo
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21:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0008255 = 12.7953 BTC [+]
22:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0444018 = 2.2201 BTC [-] {5}
22:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0444 = 2.22 BTC [-]
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22:21 Mats_cd03 why bring babies when you can bring a carton of dinosaur eggs
22:21 Mats_cd03 DUH
22:23 moiety ya, i am so glad they cleared that one up
22:24 moiety i was marooned on the sofa for some time due to a rather fast large spider travelling around my livingroom floor
22:30 bloctoc has anyone discussed how they decided to purchase 200BTC worth of BPAY?
22:31 ThickAsThieves it's not THAT absurd, if you can afford it
22:31 mike_c huh? looks like ~25btc
22:32 TheNewDeal I think it's slightly absurd because the whole F.Derp is just in its beginning stages
22:32 mike_c !t m d.bpay
22:32 assbot [MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)
22:32 bloctoc not saying it's absurd, it's a serious question.
22:32 mike_c ^ 25.00 btc
22:33 bloctoc the detail page has 900 shares, the overview has 100 shares if I'm reading it right, then something's amis
22:33 bloctoc s
22:33 mike_c those are the shares mp is offering for sale
22:33 mike_c he offered 1000, 100 have been bought
22:33 bloctoc oh, got it.
22:35 bloctoc 25 BTC I can see not feeling too bad if you guess wrong.
22:36 bloctoc but feeling good if you guess right
22:36 bloctoc of course, it's probably more sophisticated than that
22:38 benkay one might consider...hedging.
22:39 TheNewDeal well BPay shares can be sold at a later date, no?
22:40 bloctoc I don't see how anyone would be able to hedge bpay today
22:41 bloctoc they would have to be sold at a later date since there are no buy orders yet.
22:43 benkay D.BPAY or the actual shares?
22:43 benkay what, hold btc's not a good enough hedge?
22:44 benkay D.BPAY is a hedge against the fartup cirkus producing something with market value in the next year or w/e
22:44 benkay bloctoc:
22:44 bloctoc that's a bet, not a hedge
22:44 TheNewDeal F.DERP is the hedge
22:45 Mats_cd03 on the subject of bets, write a proper proposition and that can be your hedge.
22:45 TheNewDeal against the group of derps
22:45 Mats_cd03 problem solved
22:45 Mats_cd03 thanks kako
22:45 benkay buy F.DERP, buy D.*, ams hedged
22:45 TheNewDeal F.Derp was made to short the basket of derps
22:45 bloctoc proposition on bitbet you mean?
22:46 Mats_cd03 yes
22:46 TheNewDeal implied
22:46 benkay yeah, F takes you short, D takes you long
22:46 benkay hedging against their bringing something to market is betting that they do
22:46 TheNewDeal the strange thing is how the D pays out
22:47 benkay please correct me, bloctoc
22:47 benkay what's strange about it, TheNewDeal ?
22:47 bloctoc I thought S.MPOE was F.DERP and I don't see F.DERP Am I Right?
22:47 TheNewDeal talked about it earlier
22:47 TheNewDeal but the gist is this
22:48 TheNewDeal in a theoretical scenario, a company pays for the worth of the startup
22:48 TheNewDeal talking about an aquisition type here
22:48 TheNewDeal so the stock of the acquirer shouldn't really change
22:49 TheNewDeal Example was. If Bitpay is worth 1Billion usd, FB forks over 1 Billion USD, FB valuation stays same
22:49 TheNewDeal in reality, FB stock is volatile, could potentially have a large shift in the 30 day period
22:52 bloctoc benkay where did you discover F.DERP?
22:52 thestringpuller !mpif
22:52 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
22:52 benkay bloctoc: logs
22:54 bloctoc I see it - this whole hedging discussion makes sense now. thanks
22:55 TheNewDeal bloctoc https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z
22:55 assbot Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
22:56 benkay for a second i was hoping to learn something there :D
22:57 benkay maybe mircea_popescu comes by later to school me
22:58 TheNewDeal did my explanation make any sense about an acquisition type event?
23:00 bloctoc you had me until "FB Stock is volatile". Meanwhile I understand the concept of hedging, I just didn't realize when I asked the question that there was such a thing as F.DERP
23:01 benkay can't have puts without calls, etc
23:01 bloctoc not legally anyway...
23:02 Mats_cd03 uh...
23:03 Mats_cd03 nothing to do with law, this is how it works
23:03 bloctoc not legally where I live anyway..
23:03 benkay no no, the market just falls over with one and not the other
23:03 benkay naked shorts bad, covered shorts good
23:03 benkay going long without commensurate short options is cuh-fukken-razy
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23:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.04285624 = 1.0714 BTC [-] {3}
23:22 TheNewDeal Per the world cup article http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/ . I think BitBet should allow zeroconf bets simultaneously on Yes and No, especially if they move to requiring a 2 BTC minimum.
23:22 assbot The results of the World Cup experiment. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:23 TheNewDeal The site profits off total volume, not someone forking over a risky bet on one side
23:27 TheNewDeal Also, why is it said that BitBet "fronts" .1 BTC on the bet? I thought they split .1 BTC, some portion going to the original bettor, and the other portion is a wager that will pay the site
23:31 Mats_cd03 the bet is seeded. look at the first two wagers for each bet
23:37 benkay ;;later tell TheNewDeal you had it right the first time
23:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:37 Mats_cd03 o...join leaves r disabled on my client ffs
23:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04202638 = 2.1013 BTC [-] {6}
23:46 benkay there's always tab-complete, Mats_cd03
23:46 benkay look who's joining us
23:47 benkay hey baby doll
23:47 benkay play me some jamz?
23:47 Vexual i think kako might anuerism
23:47 benkay eh, that's his problem
23:51 Vexual yeah.. well
23:51 benkay i guess yours then as well
23:51 benkay kakos problems are all of our problems
23:52 Vexual maybe so
23:52 Vexual it might make it harder to bet not chinese on the ladies tennis
23:56 benkay beer empty
23:56 benkay going home
23:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.0008239 = 63.6875 BTC [-] {2}
23:59 Vexual syntax error
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