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00:00	nubbins`	not tobacco
00:00	nubbins`	tell ya what, let's meet halfway and i'll just find an actual chair
00:00	nubbins`	and skip the ER
00:01	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: You may forget, but I recently had a run in with testicular injury and scrotal illness... Stay in a fucking real chair.
00:01	Vexual	i bet you can eat a fuckton of bad ass cookies b4 you call the hospital nubbins`
00:01	nubbins`	ah, that's right
00:02	nubbins`	advice noted and appreciated
00:02	BingoBoingo	Area is vascular enough any part that has problem has big problems fast... within hours
00:02	Vexual	and if you do try to call the hospital,your phone isnt a phone
00:03	nubbins`	hospital on drugs, no fun
00:03	BingoBoingo	Right, because they won't give you painkillers if you need them for some reason
00:03	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1XRKPND.txt )
00:03	asciilifeform	!b 3
00:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02125 = 0.255 BTC [-]
00:05	asciilifeform	!up Vexual
00:08	Vexual	www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gi0OEOl84y
00:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02125 = 0.17 BTC [-]
00:16	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
00:16	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 637.9, vol: 21448.12339002 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 622.487, vol: 14086.102 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 638.55, vol: 32317.78759484 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 649.0, vol: 29.76492992 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 631.21, vol: 8087.51540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 626.27624, vol: 33.33584844 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 641.255043, vol: 118.13037544 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
00:16	BingoBoingo	;;more
00:17	gribble	634.617468764
00:17	BingoBoingo	%book
00:17	atcbot	60k@205 40k@205 0k@200 | 40k@141 79k@141 25k@141
00:19	BingoBoingo	So... it appears the Erik story is in the /. cue
00:19	moiety	this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it
00:20	moiety	*grumble*
00:20	asciilifeform	slenderman?
00:20	asciilifeform	movie hero? fits through cracks, crevices?
00:21	moiety	there is 2 x 12 year olds who planned to kill their friend for months, blaming it on slenderman being real
00:21	moiety	i'm not actually sure, article just says he can make tendrils with is fingers and back
00:21	moiety	i think its a game though
00:22	*	asciilifeform is rather behind culturally, never heard of this
00:22	Vexual	ask pankakke
00:22	BingoBoingo	Slenderman is one of those mythical stories invented on SA/b/reddit not really worth reading.
00:23	moiety	asciilifeform: http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/waukesha-police-2-12-year-old-girls-plotted-for-months-to-kill-friend-b99282655z1-261534171.html
00:23	assbot	Charges detail Waukesha pre-teens' attempt to kill classmate
00:23	BingoBoingo	Slenderman is basically a novelization of Usagi's nightmares about MP
00:24	asciilifeform	'...was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both' << interesting
00:24	moiety	oh so it wasn't originally a game.
00:24	asciilifeform	how does court decide how many/each.
00:24	asciilifeform	what if 0/19
00:24	asciilifeform	or 19/0
00:24	BingoBoingo	moiety: It was a story
00:25	BingoBoingo	Basically whitekid fear experience after first seeing not famous NBA players in person
00:25	moiety	lol it was actually all the birthday girl asciilifeform she has told police she thought her friend had already begun [which makes no sense considering the friend had told her she was too squeamish by this point]
00:26	moiety	which is how she got back to being the one with the blade
00:27	BingoBoingo	What I want to know is why the Biology teacher isn't being charged with neglegence
00:27	BingoBoingo	19 penetrations and a survivor
00:27	moiety	hahaha that crossed my mind too BB. after all the prep they didn't think to check where to stab
00:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]
00:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00085755 = 27.9561 BTC [-] {2}
00:28	moiety	kinda half assed, aye that'll do + walk away thing too
00:28	Vexual	aye
00:28	asciilifeform	children of reddit, can't even be arsed to stab properly
00:29	moiety	they are too busy being hip
00:29	BingoBoingo	Also, stabbing is the problem. Slashing offer a better chance at exsanguination, unless perpetrator is a surgeon.
00:29	moiety	these wee chicks have nothing ont he wee girls from last year though, well the one that stabbed her sister
00:29	*	asciilifeform wonders if the cops will make the gurlz play 'prisoner's dilemma' if it cannot be proven which one stabbed
00:29	moiety	on the*
00:30	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I doubt the cops are aware of that game
00:30	asciilifeform	perhaps not under that name
00:30	BingoBoingo	"Wisconsin can have problems too"
00:31	Vexual	www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuGhwabBzcU
00:31	asciilifeform	more interesting (linked from above) - http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/hundreds-of-zombie-homes-plague-milwaukee-neighborhoods-b99276701z1-260613161.html
00:31	assbot	Hundreds of zombie homes plague Milwaukee neighborhoods
00:32	asciilifeform	^ the feigned puzzlement of the quoted officials is riotously funny
00:33	asciilifeform	'Both Dahlberg and Barrett say they don't understand why banks allow the problem to proliferate. As they see it, it's in the bank's best interests to rid itself of the property.'
00:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999889 = 0.16 BTC [+]
00:33	asciilifeform	<< mega-lol. the 'zombies' rot so that prices can stay put.
00:33	BingoBoingo	Wiscunts have this delusion where they imagine they are to Chicago what the Hamptons are to New York
00:35	BingoBoingo	In reality neither Chicago nor Wiconson have hooks in the bezzel to support such delusions
00:35	asciilifeform	unwritten u.s. law - no house anywhere near a city, with working plumbing, not in 'live fire zone', etc. will be sold for 'pocket money' to a human (i.e. sans mortgage chumpatron)
00:35	asciilifeform	the bezzlers would much rather let the copper thieves pick it clean.
00:36	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In StL brick theives have priority. They make the judgement on the property's fate and in very Missouri way the vacant land gets corn in the name of "urban agriculture"
00:36	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
00:37	BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/a-farm-in-the-city-of-st-louis-some-neighbors/article_41320fe2-66af-50a0-81da-cd47b9366895.html
00:37	assbot	A farm? In the city of St. Louis? Some neighbors aren't happy : Business
00:37	asciilifeform	for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high
00:38	asciilifeform	at least stalin, in his engineered famines, sold his abroad to buy cannon
00:38	asciilifeform	vs. burning
00:38	Vexual	that look slike mps old place
00:38	kakobrekla	mornin
00:39	BingoBoingo	mornin kakobrekla
00:39	Vexual	don't get much for your money in the old usa tho
00:39	Vexual	hey kako
00:39	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In the interim USA discovered corn can be parted into oil for plastics and sugar for falsifying food
00:40	Vexual	sugar is food
00:40	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: mp on the subject - http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing
00:40	assbot	The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
00:40	moiety	mewning kakobrekla :]
00:40	Vexual	you repurposing the word nutrient ?
00:40	kakobrekla	i see it was a busy night, me hops the logs.
00:41	kakobrekla	dammit. , should be new line.
00:41	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That one was resonant, because I live near ground zero
00:41	BingoBoingo	Monsanto and Urban Corn share a home for a reason
00:41	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: point being, a liveable house, as popularly imagined in usa, will never cost what laptop, or even car, costs - if the authorities have to burn 99% of them to maintain this condition, they will.
00:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07999889 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2}
00:42	moiety	schools have started suing mosanto all over the place now too
00:43	moiety	see this corn woman though, it's like she just woke up to this 8 ft high cornwall around her home. how long does it take to grow even?!
00:43	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In the right locals government need not do burning, merely look the other way. Market does the burning http://preservationresearch.com/news-2/brick-theft-in-north-st-louis-a-preservation-crisis/
00:43	assbot	Brick Theft in North St. Louis: A Preservation Crisis | Preservation Research Office
00:43	BingoBoingo	moiety: Gorws surprisingly fast.
00:43	BingoBoingo	http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/us/20brick.html
00:43	assbot	Thieves Cart Off St. Louis Bricks - NYTimes.com
00:43	asciilifeform	if the locals wake up to the idea of squatting peacefully in the houses instead of tearing them apart, the 'owners' will order the burning.
00:44	BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-plan-to-stop-the-brick-by-brick-demolition-of/article_3f3265cf-9df9-5120-a62e-650f49b594e4.html
00:44	assbot	A plan to stop the brick-by-brick demolition of the city : News
00:44	asciilifeform	the actual 'free market' price of a u.s. suburban house, if none of this were happening, is probably close to $10k (number pulled from my arse)
00:45	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Around here there are livable houses near $40k in decent towns
00:45	Vexual	ill think youll find the free market price is what it sells for
00:45	asciilifeform	Vexual: see the supply cartel discussion above
00:45	BingoBoingo	In StL proper you find Sub $5k houses without buyers, because Oh noes, negros!
00:46	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: only answer is, nothing within driving distance employs folks who could afford the land tax.
00:47	asciilifeform	otherwise someone - negro, martian, whoever - would live there.
00:47	*	BingoBoingo has a brother renting a house he could buy with a year's rent. He doesn't buy because of the burden of unloading it later
00:47	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That is the flip side of the problem
00:47	dub	this is clearly why minimum wage is an evil communist plot
00:47	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i pay roughly 2x in rent what the box i'm in would cost, monthly, if 'bought'
00:48	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: this is thought to be a reasonably good deal, too, around here.
00:48	BingoBoingo	dub: People in the "city" don't get "wages" they get SSI
00:51	asciilifeform	we will discover the actual market price of american house if and when the artificial system for keeping 100,000s of them permanently vacant and off the market were to fail.
00:51	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgJ8l5KJeOI
00:51	assbot	Get Money - YouTube
00:52	asciilifeform	(unfortunately with it will fail public utilities, police, etc. so we only learn the price of a 'mad max' house, vs. what presently exists.)
00:53	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: This is what the "chosen suburbs" are for.
00:53	asciilifeform	lol
00:53	asciilifeform	fluffypony awake?
00:53	asciilifeform	perhaps he can tell what this looks like in person.
00:53	asciilifeform	(was it him, in ZA?)
00:54	dub	he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW
00:56	BingoBoingo	www.forbes.com/special-report/2012/1016_zip-codes.html
00:56	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: He's in SA
00:56	Vexual	.za fool
00:57	BingoBoingo	Ah
00:57	asciilifeform	the saudis got sa
00:58	Vexual	afrikaans love them some z
00:58	BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_and_Country,_Missouri
00:58	assbot	Town and Country, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
00:59	BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladue,_Missouri
00:59	assbot	Ladue, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:00	Vexual	got your passport back yet?
01:00	BingoBoingo	Every major city has a few suburbs like those
01:00	BingoBoingo	Vexual: Case still pending
01:00	kakobrekla	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26815298
01:00	assbot	BBC News - The Indian miracle-buster stuck in Finland
01:01	kakobrekla	the world is insane.
01:01	Vexual	youtube.com/watch?v=d8Fmu3RLEOY
01:04	BingoBoingo	Oh, only 4-8 hours until I was offered a derechero might wreak havok
01:04	dub	india is insane
01:06	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: from your ladue link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumbelina_(horse)
01:06	assbot	Thumbelina (horse) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:06	asciilifeform	^ most interesting citizen of that city
01:07	Vexual	lol
01:07	Vexual	get me on a greyhound!
01:08	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You have to understand. When Clayton gets hit with the city of StL's disease... the chosen suburbs flee to Utah...
01:08	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
01:08	BingoBoingo	Just like The resident
01:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00085891 = 20.0555 BTC [+]
01:13	nubbins`	mad max 2 has a 100% rating on rotten tomatoes, hey?
01:14	BingoBoingo	Eh, a complete non-secret is that one or more Air Force One decoys live across the Mississippi from St Louis
01:15	Vexual	whats imdb say?
01:16	Vexual	thats the one with tina turner?
01:20	nubbins`	i think tina was in number 3
01:20	Vexual	oh yah, thunderdome
01:22	nubbins`	time for sleep
01:23	Vexual	ditto
01:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.201 = 0.402 BTC [+] {2}
01:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20413 = 1.0207 BTC [+]
01:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00085367 = 7.683 BTC [-] {3}
01:39	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/rabite/status/474026361691332609
01:39	assbot	If those two 12 year old girls had read some Clive Barker instead of Slender Man Creepypasta, they would have done a way sweeter murder.
01:43	BingoBoingo	I guess within the next three years we'll prolly see Brock Pierce molest some kids in the name of PedoBear
01:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 545 @ 0.00018958 = 0.1033 BTC [-] {6}
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02:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.21147997 = 4.2296 BTC [+] {6}
02:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00084902 = 16.7681 BTC [-] {2}
02:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.216 = 0.864 BTC [+]
02:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1845 @ 0.00084848 = 1.5654 BTC [-]
02:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02115 = 0.1058 BTC [+]
03:06		Bet placed: 2.06 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 67(Y):33(N) by coin, 67(Y):33(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.08379439 BTC. Current weight: 89,889.
03:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26846 @ 0.00084 = 22.5506 BTC [-]
03:17	*	fluffypony is awake
03:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07630714 = 2.1366 BTC [+] {2}
03:19	fluffypony	asciilifeform: read the conversation twice but not enough coffee yet, what must I comment on? the chosen suburbs thing?
03:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07630009 = 1.6023 BTC [-] {2}
03:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0763075 = 0.7631 BTC [+]
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03:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.07503837 = 22.5115 BTC [-] {7}
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04:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19105 @ 0.00084366 = 16.1181 BTC [+]
04:04	Naphex	howdy
04:05	fluffypony	morningz
04:13	xmj	morning
04:20	Naphex	!up davout
04:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19302044 = 0.7721 BTC [-] {3}
04:21	fluffypony	!up davout
04:22	fluffypony	Naphex: you have to re-up yourself I think
04:22	Naphex	yeah
04:22	Naphex	interesting how freenode irc servers don't keep mod states, and just resend the +v message every time you hit another /mode cmd
04:22	Naphex	!up Naphex
04:23	Naphex	see? how's that working, cmon i already am voiced ;]
04:23	fluffypony	lol
04:23	xmj	!up Naphex
04:23	xmj	such voice, many listen, much wow
04:24	xmj	(No, I could not resist that one.)
04:24	Naphex	no worries, every time someone does it a shiba inu dies
04:24	Naphex	:)
04:24	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 127 @ 0.00206766 = 0.2626 BTC [-]
04:24	davout	fluffypony Naphex wai u up?
04:24	fluffypony	davout:10:30am
04:24	Naphex	yeah man, 11:24
04:24	Naphex	looks like i have some offset
04:25	davout	haha why did you up! ?
04:25	davout	also hello
04:25	fluffypony	aaah
04:25	fluffypony	I dunno
04:25	fluffypony	Naphex did
04:25	fluffypony	and I followed suite
04:25	Naphex	yeah
04:25	Naphex	just starting a trend
04:25	Naphex	:)
04:25	fluffypony	s/suite/suit
04:25	Naphex	anyway davout did you ever implement FAST and is anyone using it?
04:26	davout	Naphex: no i didn't, it's on the backburner currently
04:26	Naphex	also why would someone just roll another fast interface when they can roll a high performance i/o protobuf one
04:26	Naphex	and just sell that mass improved
04:28	Naphex	i'm working on a realtime protobuf interface for trading, with incremental streamed updates and realtime orders.
04:29	davout	sounds pretty neat!
04:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00085621 = 13.3569 BTC [+]
04:31	fluffypony	davout: how's the rebranding goign?
04:31	fluffypony	*going
04:32	davout	it's scheduled, the UI designer is going crazy :D
04:37	Naphex	what's he going crazy about?
04:38	Naphex	just change Bitcoin-Central to Paymium on front page, and you're about done :P
04:38	davout	too easy
04:38	davout	since we're launching merchant services at about the same time and that we're going to have a single landing page it needs some lifting
04:39	Naphex	you're doing merchant services / exchange under the same platform?
04:39	Naphex	won't it clutter up with all the merchant features?
04:40	davout	you mean on the front page ?
04:40	Naphex	no i mean just in general, the code the platform etc
04:41	Naphex	i mean we're working on finalizing the payment/merchant gateway as well. but we're building them as separate projects to avoid clutter
04:41	Naphex	and unifing the wallets so they can interlink
04:41	davout	the interlink code could count as clutter as well
04:41	Naphex	then BTCXPay for payments / BTXChange for trading/exchanging
04:41	Naphex	well interlink code is needed anyway, for wallet apps and the rest
04:41	davout	you don't do the exchanging ?
04:41	Naphex	so atleast they share same wallet/account
04:42	davout	i mean can't a merchant request to be paid 12.34 EUR and receive exactly that ?
04:42	Naphex	he can
04:42	Naphex	but the merchant services will be a whole differnt app with merchant in mind, and all the features that come with merchant gateways
04:43	davout	i like the idea of having a single app to maintain
04:43	Naphex	i think exchange / payment services are too big fields too keep under same app
04:43	davout	also, a lot of code to check for incoming payments and track them properly is shared
04:43	davout	the money flows are managed in a unified process
04:44	Naphex	probably but that opens a whole lot of room, for vulnerabilities, bugs, spaghetti code, maintainance problems
04:44	Naphex	and a lot of clutter in a big app
04:44	xmj	mm.
04:44	xmj	Naphex: what language do you write that one in?
04:44	Naphex	since merchant are going too need merchant reports, invoice listings, button generators, cart generators, apis and plugins to intergrate in popular ecommerce platforms
04:45	davout	Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage
04:45	Naphex	xmj: nowadays i usually write standalone java for backends
04:45	davout	for the
04:45	fluffypony	xmj: Naphex has been plugged directly into his server banks for a while now
04:45	fluffypony	so he just thinks in code
04:45	Naphex	thats correct ;]
04:45	fluffypony	I hear he's switching to Swift after watching the Apple demo on Monday
04:45	davout	api for example, we leverage a lot of code that already exists, the extra part is a couple of models and their business logic, the e-commerce plugins are separate ofc
04:46	xmj	Naphex: Java seems a popular choice for financial transaction backends
04:46	xmj	Naphex: we've developed a p2p credit/lending site, our bank's API connectors are in java.
04:47	Naphex	xmj: its pretty lean, fast, threading is a dream and NIO is great and fast and easy to implement
04:47	xmj	NIO ?
04:47	xmj	non-blocking IO ?
04:47	Naphex	then you got really good tools, and profilers and debuggers
04:47	Naphex	xmj: yes
04:48	Naphex	but i don't use servlets or other middleware, so there's that.
04:48	xmj	ah
04:48	xmj	matter of taste i guess.
04:48	Naphex	speed
04:48	xmj	I really really like Python, because it's legible and fast to write prototypes in.
04:49	xmj	By the time you have serious scaling issues, you can always write things in Cython.
04:49	Naphex	python's not bad. twisted python is perty okay
04:49	xmj	or C. or C++.
04:49	Naphex	yep
04:49	xmj	(though, I can't write C. yet.)
04:49	Naphex	i do the same in jave, write JNI if there are bottlenecks or too slow performing native functions
04:50	Naphex	but rarely i have to do that for backends, as in hardware nowadays is too fast to care
04:50	Naphex	but i have done a lot of that for embedded and it worked out very nice
04:51	xmj	cool
04:51	Naphex	<+davout> Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage <<
04:51	Naphex	I like my stuff modular, i split a big app into scalable services
04:51	Naphex	then interlink
04:51	xmj	benefit: you can reuse those parts more easily across customers.
04:52	Naphex	now i know services are secure and they stay clean and sharp to the point code
04:52	xmj	no need to reinvent wheels if you already have a stack of them.
04:52	Naphex	yep
04:52	Naphex	so i can have wallet nodes, exchange nodes (which can be split into INSTRUMENT servers)
04:53	davout	Naphex: you're bound to have quite some coupling
04:54	Naphex	there is no problem with coupling, nodes come out with coupling since start
04:54	davout	howso ?
04:54	Naphex	and they can handle their duty, wallet nodes can be used by clients to connect and manage their wallets
04:55	Naphex	exchange nodes can be accessed to convert the currency
04:55	Naphex	and payment nodes to process payments and get auto notifications from them
04:55	Naphex	they come up with servicing in mind, and the same way a client hooks up to them web platforms hook up as well
04:55	davout	but do you have a single unified domain model ?
04:56	davout	yeah, we have that too, the web interface is a module that hooks into the API
04:56	davout	it's not built in to the app
04:56	Naphex	see, now will that api do payments processing as well in the same big app?
04:56	Naphex	or be split into modular nodes
04:56	Naphex	which will interlink
04:57	davout	there is a blockchain watching process that notifies the models when it sees an incoming payment
04:57	Naphex	i just think one big app to handle wallet api, exchange api, payments api might just be too big
04:57	Naphex	and eventually you will have to split it to scale
04:58	davout	well, look at the trading for example
04:58	davout	you can not horizontally scale it
04:58	davout	it *has* to be a sequential queue that's processed FIFO
04:58	Naphex	yep
04:58	davout	how does having it as a separate thing help ?
04:59	Naphex	well, the exchange api will be that sequential queue.
04:59	davout	i mean, in my case it's a separate process, but it does however leverage a unique domain model
04:59	Naphex	but why does it have to also manage the wallets, and record user transactions, and process payments
04:59	Naphex	right?
04:59	davout	it needs to record transactions
04:59	Naphex	because it handles exchange data, and orders, and order queues, and execution
05:00	davout	executions result in writes into your accounting, right?
05:00	Naphex	and maybe order rules
05:00	Naphex	davout: brb gotta eat, continue afteward if you're still on
05:00	davout	sure
05:00	Naphex	davout: but an exchange transaction != a bitcoin transaction
05:00	Naphex	or an exchange transaction != payment transaction
05:00	davout	sure, but they all need to be accounted for
05:01	davout	they need to go in the ledger, also these transactions may share properties
05:01	davout	a lot of code is common between a bitcoin deposit and an invoice bitcoin payment
05:02	davout	for example, the service call "monitor bitcoin address xyz for x days" is common between a deposit address creation, and an invoice creation
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05:18	pankkake	lol again http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/04/0059245/man-who-issued-securities-for-bitcoins-settles-with-sec
05:18	assbot	Man Who Issued Securities For Bitcoins Settles With SEC - Slashdot
05:20	davout	the sec will have to go feck itself eventually
05:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11792 @ 0.00084729 = 9.9912 BTC [-]
05:22	davout	!up adrrr
05:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06810526 = 2.7242 BTC [-] {8}
05:23	adrrr	hey thanks :)
05:25	adrrr	http://mashable.com/2014/06/03/apple-os-x-yosemite-top-features/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link
05:25	assbot	Apple OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Top 6 New Features
05:26	pankkake	so magical and revolutionary
05:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.02793665 = 0.6705 BTC [-] {5}
05:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 123 @ 0.00418522 = 0.5148 BTC [-] {7}
05:27	fluffypony	so SWIFT
05:27	fluffypony	how is "prettier icons" a feature?
05:28	pankkake	"Yosemite has cleaner and clearer icons along the bottom of a Mac screen, including the apps that usually value function over beauty." wait there are macapps that value function?
05:28	pankkake	"That is a gorgeous trash can," Federighi said. "You wouldn't believe how much time we spent crafting a trash can."
05:28	kakobrekla	hahaha, they list: 1. Prettier Icons:
05:28	kakobrekla	number one is prettier icons.
05:28	kakobrekla	this is number one.
05:29	kakobrekla	i guess next question is, does it come with lipstick?
05:30	adrrr	pankkake: mostly, there is apple haters :D
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06:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10708 @ 0.00084214 = 9.0176 BTC [-]
06:06	jurov	one has to be apple hater to find such "features" ridiculous?
06:06	fluffypony	yeah I quite like Apple and I think that's a stupid feature to focus on
06:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19313442 = 0.3863 BTC [+]
06:07	fluffypony	but that's just journalism
06:07	dub	apple only does stupid features so its unfair to pick on this
06:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19313432 BTC [-]
06:11	dub	does apple still exist? not even my hipster sister rolls macbook anymore
06:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20313422 = 0.6094 BTC [+]
06:24	dub	thats not just idle fanboy hatred either, they have a lot of mobile handsets around but beyond a few music heads (who suffer extreme lock-in) I don't know any actual users
06:26	pankkake	http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Facebook_c32430_2573160.jpg
06:26	davout	dub: a feature i like it's that their OS is a unix
06:26	davout	jurov: the gorgeous trashcan is ridiculous indeed
06:27	pankkake	an eunuch unix
06:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00084924 = 31.804 BTC [+] {2}
06:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06958782 = 1.1134 BTC [+] {2}
06:27	dub	thats not particularly compelling
06:28	pankkake	with the worst window management ever
06:28	dub	I don't need unix at my end terminal and its only a couple of clicks away
06:28	davout	pankkake: what do you mean ?
06:29	davout	dub: so you're windows?
06:29	dub	for UI shit yeah
06:29	pankkake	it's just not ergonomic. makes you work a lot with the mouse for nothing
06:30	davout	pankkake: i use it everyday, and imo it's the best window management, it never feels like it gets in the way
06:30	davout	i keep raging about it each time i use a windows comp, and i don't use gui when i use linux
06:31	davout	mostly because i use linux for servers
06:31	davout	dub: well, osx is pretty good for ui imo, so i'm happy this way
06:33	davout	also, they're finally sucking the bitcoin cock :D
06:33	dub	just making an observation, we tend to run close to the front of tech trends over here and it struck me that apple are pretty much invisible outside of mobile
06:33	dub	which is a change from last time I thought about it
06:34	pankkake	do they really allow bitcoin applications, or is it yet another redditation?
06:35	davout	pankkake: well, i pointed out the fact that their new policy didn't mean shit taken on its own, however it appears there are some wallets that are back in
06:35	davout	such as coinjar
06:35	davout	so, i thought like you, but the facts seem to tell a different story
06:37	davout	https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/coinjar-for-iphone/id725209873?mt=8
06:37	assbot	CoinJar for iPhone on the App Store on iTunes
06:39	pankkake	* Managed Bitcoin wallet in the cloud
06:40	davout	coinjar?
06:40	pankkake	yes
06:40	davout	that doesn't change the point
06:41	davout	their "Fair rate(TM)" is pretty ridiculous too
06:44	Naphex	!up HeySteve
06:45	cazalla	don't you mean zhoujar
06:45	davout	o it's ryan's ?
06:45	cazalla	yeah
06:46	pankkake	well they might not want to allow application that store the private key
06:46	davout	pankkake: sounds doubtful
06:47	davout	their issue was "facilitating transmission"
06:47	davout	we'll see if blockchain gets back
06:47	Naphex	they will prolly ban p2p aps
06:47	Naphex	as they ban torrent apps a well
06:47	Naphex	so no Mycelium or thin clients
06:47	davout	p2p what? trading?
06:48	Naphex	Peer2Peer wallets, that connect to bitcoin network and do SPV
06:48	Naphex	so only centralized single source wallets
06:52	davout	the idea that they'll make a difference isn't supported by any facts so far
06:52	Naphex	well.. blockchain is down yet mycelium works
06:52	Naphex	so anyone who tried to use blockchain.info in the last i dunno 5-6 hours
06:52	Naphex	got erros
06:52	Naphex	while mycelium worked fine. that will make a difference every time there is a service failure
06:54	davout	no, the idea that they will categorize applications based on whether or not they store the keys, or rely on a central service
06:55	davout	is supported neither by their policy, nor by factual experience
06:56	davout	"My Father's house has many rooms"
07:02	davout	for more philosophical quotes -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hkqBfvDBU
07:02	assbot	OSS 117 Le Caire : Discussion philosophique avec Franois Damiens - YouTube
07:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00084426 = 13.1705 BTC [-]
07:26	Naphex	"Datorita atitudinii unor persoane dorim sa va comunicam oficial ca raspunsurile noastre nu vor mai fi oferite pe acest forum. Dorim sa pastram o relatie profesionala si sa evitam raspunsul amenintarilor primite."
07:26	Naphex	seriously
07:26	Naphex	customers will definetly be less threating if they received their shit on time
07:27	Naphex	my blood just boils if i order something/pre-order something and it never gets delivered
07:27	Naphex	every mining company should just stop selling preorders period.
07:27	Naphex	and build their equipment or sell stock
07:28	Apocalyptic	but then they couldn't scam Naphex
07:28	Naphex	probably but then they shouldn't wonder when customers get all angry and threatening and then resort to police action
07:30	Naphex	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446503.0 mining drama in Romanian community, undelivered orders the usual. Google translate might help / http://blackminer.com/ the mining equipment builders from .ro
07:30	assbot	Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware
07:30	assbot	Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin & Litecoin Mining Hardware
07:34	Naphex	Posts about people paying 28,000$ for mining equipment and still not delivering weeks after deadline. is it just me or thats a hell of a lot money to be pissing people off for
07:35	pankkake	there's this guy who bet 99% of his coins on a scam and now says he doesn't have enough for a lawyer
07:35	pankkake	maybe they're the same type
07:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44468 @ 0.00084424 = 37.5417 BTC [-] {2}
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08:03	fluffypony	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/279sex/ghashio_double_spending/
08:03	assbot	GHash.IO & double spending : Bitcoin
08:03	Naphex	hey don't take 0 conf
08:03	Naphex	you gambling? take 1
08:04	davout	people who accept 0 conf will get repeatedly raped until one of the following happens
08:04	davout	- there's nothing left to rape
08:04	davout	- they wisen up
08:05	Naphex	so ghash.io is teaching a valuable lesson then
08:07	Naphex	http://www.wired.com/2014/06/silk-road-study/ - the more interesting news today
08:07	assbot	Silk Road Reduced Violence in the Drug Trade, Study Argues | Threat Level | WIRED
08:08	davout	what exactly is it doing? (haven't read the reddit post)
08:08	Naphex	davout: ghash.io double spending against some bitcoin casino
08:08	Naphex	roll dig win -> let transaction confirm / lose -> double spend
08:08	Naphex	roll dice*
08:09	davout	is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward
08:09	Naphex	"proved"
08:10	Naphex	but still basic attack, they can just drop the tx and double spend. some luck required
08:10	davout	oic
08:11	davout	kinda scammy to do that, but otoh the casino being retarded doesn't help
08:12	Naphex	well they might not be doing it and someone else just messing with their system
08:12	artifexd	Why isn't http://bitbet.us/bet/858/ already resolved?
08:12	assbot	BitBet - Perpetual Obsolescence: iOS 8 Announced in 2014 :: 0.22 B (96%) on Yes, 0.01 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 3 weeks | weight: 93`379 (100`000 to 1)
08:12	Naphex	who knows what they use to detect transactions and how their system executes
08:12	pankkake	artifexd: to get 1% from asshole after-the-fact bettors? :p
08:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1706 @ 0.00083906 = 1.4314 BTC [-]
08:13	mircea_popescu	hola!
08:13	artifexd	You would certainly have to be an idjot to bet on it. I was just curious.
08:13	davout	mircea_popescu: hi!
08:13	mircea_popescu	how goes it :)
08:14	mircea_popescu	artifexd, was it announced ?
08:14	artifexd	At WWDC a couple days ago
08:14	artifexd	https://www.apple.com/ios/ios8/
08:14	assbot	Apple - iOS 8 - Overview
08:14	mircea_popescu	a ok. best leave a link in comments there would you.
08:15	artifexd	Sure
08:15	Naphex	how is ios8 huge for developers? did they finally open up?
08:15	mircea_popescu	now that i doub
08:15	mircea_popescu	t
08:15	davout	Naphex: they announced some naw language, looks just as ugly as objective c
08:15	Naphex	Each enhancement has a purpose. Every new feature deserves to be a new feature.
08:15	Naphex	such marketspeech
08:16	Naphex	god forbid you enhance without any purpose or add old new features
08:17	mircea_popescu	by this rationale every competitor to apple deserves to be successful.
08:17	Naphex	haha
08:18	mircea_popescu	someone sent me a trilema credits thing out of some pos wallet that truncates the last 2 digits of a tx
08:18	mircea_popescu	aren't they gonna be happy.
08:19	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
08:19	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 637.16, Best ask: 638.21, Bid-ask spread: 1.05000, Last trade: 638.21, 24 hour volume: 19456.21434130, 24 hour low: 621.86, 24 hour high: 680.99, 24 hour vwap: 649.593962515
08:20	Naphex	mircea_popescu: so mircea why no ssl on trilema? what if NSA steals my cookie?:(
08:20	Naphex	:))
08:20	mircea_popescu	they can't use it.
08:20	mircea_popescu	try it yourself :D
08:21	mircea_popescu	the long version being that there's no ssl on trilema because ssl is so fucking broken, the problem it purports to solve but fails to solve can in fact be actually solved by five lines OF PHP.
08:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2433 @ 0.0008529 = 2.0751 BTC [+] {2}
08:26	mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/YtJ0agD8
08:26	assbot	Hi, I wanted to follow up regarding the conference. Have you considered ou - Pastebin.com
08:27	mircea_popescu	buzzpro.co.il my foot. moar like spampro.
08:27	mircea_popescu	im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody.
08:28	mircea_popescu	and ima do it because "some of the seats are already taken", as if random rottinculo has the upper hand in this fucking relationship where i got the dough and he's doing the begging.
08:28	mircea_popescu	fucking hell what sort of wet straw do they use to make brains these days i wish to know. denial all the way never fucking workls in practice, yet it seems the only strategy kids deploy anymore.
08:30	Naphex	well thats not true
08:30	Naphex	you gotta lean
08:30	Naphex	and spin
08:30	mircea_popescu	yes, if you wanna die poor you gotta.
08:31	Naphex	aren't all bussiness nowadays made from nothing?
08:31	Naphex	and require 0 money just a good idea?
08:31	Naphex	and some poor sob to code it
08:31	mircea_popescu	depends what you mean by business
08:31	mircea_popescu	if oyu mean the sort of crud that xml dude and his friends spit out, then yes, except it's not business, it's buzznix.
08:32	Naphex	hehe thats what i meant
08:33	mircea_popescu	but incidentally, this is a good fucking point, re php. hear all ye haters and knowppls : steal a trilema cookie, get a bitcoin.
08:33	mircea_popescu	since php is so insecure and everything, it should be trivial to do.
08:36	Naphex	well it works in the office cause i'm behind the same IP
08:36	Naphex	natted :)
08:37	mircea_popescu	lmao
08:37	mircea_popescu	that's how it's supposed to work
08:37	Naphex	yep i'm guessing its hooked to remote_addr
08:37	mircea_popescu	remote_addr+salt+pw or somesuch
08:37	mircea_popescu	i forget exactly but in principle that's the scheme
08:38	Naphex	is it just hashed and you check hash or you keep serverside session?
08:38	mircea_popescu	no sessions.
08:39	Naphex	so just hash(remote_addr+salt+pw) in /set-cookie.php
08:39	Naphex	and then check
08:39	Mats_cd03	BingoBoingo: air force one decoy?
08:39	mircea_popescu	pretty much
08:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07645606 = 0.1529 BTC [+]
08:39	Naphex	but set-cookie doesn't encrypt "cod" :)
08:39	Naphex	so i can just snag it from there
08:39	Naphex	and have lots of trilema credits
08:39	Naphex	:P
08:40	mircea_popescu	Naphex, so try ?
08:40	Naphex	sadly i am not the nsa:(
08:40	mircea_popescu	what "cod" anyway ?
08:40	Naphex	Parola: <input type="text" name="cod" />
08:41	mircea_popescu	ok so you snag it from there, and what ? crack the hash ?
08:41	Mats_cd03	I was under the impression _any_ mil aircraft with potus in it was Air Force One, or Marine One, etc
08:43	Naphex	mircea_popescu: what is that hash anyway seems variable output
08:44	mircea_popescu	who's the haxxor here.
08:44	pankkake	Mats_cd03: Monica One
08:44	mircea_popescu	lmao
08:45	Naphex	mircea_popescu: yeah but the password is cleartext in cookie no?
08:45	*	mircea_popescu doesn't even recall.
08:45	mircea_popescu	lets see here
08:45	Naphex	e163Gpassword_test_inputl68a9
08:47	Naphex	so its just the math for the ip/checksum
08:49	mircea_popescu	pretty much
08:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19841 @ 0.00085342 = 16.9327 BTC [+]
08:50	mircea_popescu	actually i suppose an extra layer couldn't possibly hurt.
08:50	mircea_popescu	!up manamex_
08:50	mircea_popescu	attention all people logged into trilema : im putting in a change ticket, which will be implemented whenever today and as a result will prolly log you out. just log back in will be fine.
08:51	Naphex	so do i get a bitcoin?:) %%
08:51	Naphex	^^
08:51	mircea_popescu	lol
08:51	mircea_popescu	no, because you didn't steal a cookie :D
08:51	mircea_popescu	you do get a pat on the head tho, for being halpful.
08:52	Naphex	hehe
08:52	Naphex	wait i was just about to break the hash
08:52	mircea_popescu	a ok
08:52	mircea_popescu	i'll put the ticket in tomorrow then, that enough for you ?
08:53	Naphex	nah i was just kidding, do the ticket
08:53	Naphex	atleast tell me what does the extra byte before password do?:)
08:53	Naphex	i'm guessing e163 / 68a9 encodes the ip
08:53	Naphex	doesn't look ip2long/long to ip
08:53	mircea_popescu	i have no fucking idea
08:54	Naphex	e163(G) <- this one :)password_test_inputl68a9
08:54	mircea_popescu	it's been years and this was never a central matter
09:01	Mats_cd03	http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/document/Poverty%20documents/FPW_May%202014_final.pdf
09:02	Mats_cd03	food price watch tracking trends in various places
09:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 376 @ 0.00085342 = 0.3209 BTC [+]
09:05	Mats_cd03	food riots remaining a perennial phenomenon worldwide
09:06	pankkake	at least americans will be able to eat their fat
09:06	fluffypony	lulz
09:07	mircea_popescu	pankkake, so would kenyans
09:11	dub	kenyans can eat american fat
09:12	mircea_popescu	exactly.
09:15	dub	obama was sent to initiate the harvest
09:16	mircea_popescu	omg obama is eating baby fat ?
09:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-]
09:17	dub	all muslims eat babies, remember?
09:17	mircea_popescu	gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line
09:18	Mats_cd03	lol
09:19	mircea_popescu	dub, a muslim ate yo baby ?
09:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00084608 = 28.6821 BTC [-]
09:20	*	mircea_popescu sings ♫♩ it's a muslim eat baby would out there baby ♬ make a lotta nice friends ♪♪ if you don't make a lotta nice friends come back, babe...
09:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00084781 = 25.2647 BTC [+]
09:38	Naphex	i'm off
09:38	Naphex	laters o/
09:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17185 @ 0.00084944 = 14.5976 BTC [+]
09:47	mircea_popescu	so now, should i go through the logs ? or should i make further travel posts on trilema ?
09:48	mircea_popescu	i shall ponder this matter while my salmon omlet cooks
10:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36464 @ 0.00084981 = 30.9875 BTC [+] {2}
10:03	moiety	hello :]
10:03	fluffypony	BingoBoingo:That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife <- I knew I should've made her nails the same colour!
10:07	mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26ymdr/ive_come_to_my_sensesi_sold_all_my_dogecoins_and/
10:07	assbot	I've come to my senses...I sold all my dogecoins and am full into bitcoin again. Not gonna f*** with those alt coins again. : Bitcoin
10:09	pankkake	"You should not keep all your eggs in 1 basket, get some Litecoin as well, have you seen the volume and market cap? I am 70% Bitcoin, 30% Litecoin - Litecoin is seriously undervalued right now.
10:09	pankkake	"The only alt worth having any serious money in is Litecoin. I have no faith in any others.
10:10	pankkake	god, how I hate those scam pumpers
10:11	mircea_popescu	it really should be atc.
10:11	TomServo	I mined a few litecoin blocks via CPU way back when. Just recently found that wallet and sold them, twas nice to grab a few BTC out of that.
10:11	fluffypony	plx
10:11	fluffypony	FluffyCoin is coming
10:12	dub	%book
10:12	atcbot	3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 65k@141 25k@141 100k@140
10:12	TomServo	LTC/BTC exchange rate has been in a pretty steady decline for a while now
10:12	fluffypony	you can mergemine it with ManulCoin and Altcoin
10:12	fluffypony	and it will have a fluffy logo
10:12	fluffypony	which will be a feature
10:12	fluffypony	also it'll be written in Swift because that's a modern language
10:12	moiety	omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too
10:12	fluffypony	heh heh
10:13	moiety	i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc
10:15	fluffypony	the problem is that much of the time and energy has been spent by people that aren't really on "that level", so if they focused on BTC instead we'd just see more shitty copies of exchanges / gambling sites etc.
10:15	fluffypony	and about a billion dumb features submitted as pull requests
10:15	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, you can't merge ltc with atc, one's scrypt
10:16	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: no no, FluffyCoin and ManulCoin will merge-mine with ATC
10:16	mircea_popescu	<moiety> omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too << coins made out of shag.
10:16	mircea_popescu	swag!
10:16	mircea_popescu	<moiety> i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc << not noticeably different.
10:17	mircea_popescu	you know, just like where opera would be if all the time spent derping around counterstrike were spent "singing"
10:17	mircea_popescu	exactly what fluffy says.
10:18	TomServo	"You buy Doge for the community not as an investment."
10:18	pankkake	merge mining is one of the few things that would make me take an altcoin seriously
10:18	TomServo	ha.
10:19	pankkake	still a better reason than silver to bitcoin's gold
10:20	mircea_popescu	!up princessnell
10:20	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot princessnell
10:20	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014
10:20	mircea_popescu	<TomServo> "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment." << thus spoke socialisthustra.
10:21	mircea_popescu	pankkake, you can actually merge mine atc with btc neh ?
10:21	pankkake	no, you'd have to patch atc for that
10:21	pankkake	and I don't know how
10:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5153 @ 0.00085231 = 4.392 BTC [+]
10:23	mircea_popescu	mike_c, i seriously see why it'd make sense for your site.
10:23	mircea_popescu	and then perhaps we can merge-credits.
10:24	fluffypony	TrilemaCoin ?
10:24	mircea_popescu	lol
10:25	mircea_popescu	mike_c:
10:25	mircea_popescu	hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk. << zipf would put a rapid end to that methinks.
10:27	mircea_popescu	anyway, there's definitely some future in the blog credits thing.
10:27	mircea_popescu	prolly too soon to know how it looks.
10:28	mircea_popescu	well since i'm reading the logs, i'd like to take a minute and dissect the stupidity of "xmj: mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is."
10:28	moiety	i think i would have to give out credits to get people to read a blog
10:28	xmj	mircea_popescu: so you don't ignore me?
10:28	mircea_popescu	first off and most importantly, the unexamined prior that there "is" this one thing called "start-ups"
10:29	xmj	it's not an unexamined prior. it's a fact. read news.ycombinator.com.
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10:29	artifexd	http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/06/making-end-to-end-encryption-easier-to.html
10:29	assbot	Google Online Security Blog: Making end-to-end encryption easier to use
10:29	xmj	get your inflated head down to the reality of 2014.
10:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.20184919 = 2.2203 BTC [-] {5}
10:30	fluffypony	artifexd: I was reading their stuff earlier, it's quite interesting
10:31	artifexd	It is hard to find (as in I couldn't) an easy way to do gpg email in gmail. There used to be plugins but they just don't last/work.
10:33	fluffypony	artifexd: mailvelope
10:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5463 @ 0.00085231 = 4.6562 BTC [+]
10:34	artifexd	I looked at that and I dismissed it for some reason that I don't recall. That was prior to the current release though so I shall look again.
10:34	danielpbarron	when i first started sending ascii armored blocks in gmail, they would alter some of it so it wasn't valid on the other end; sometimes because it would try to translate it, and sometimes it would just randomly remove a space or line return
10:35	danielpbarron	after i set the option "never try to translate this" it seems to work every time
10:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16943 @ 0.00085231 = 14.4407 BTC [+]
10:37	artifexd	I think it comes down to the fact that I get a bad feeling at the idea of putting my private key somewhere that could be accessed via javascript that was downloaded from some external location.
10:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00196696 = 0.1869 BTC [-]
10:39	mircea_popescu	motherfucker wireless omg.
10:39	mircea_popescu	anywyay, i was interrupted in the middle of spamming. let's continue.
10:39	mircea_popescu	this is usually the result of mediocre brains strained through the us college system. they end up with the expectation that any conceptual category has a practical counterpart.
10:40	mircea_popescu	and so there IS such a thing as "start-ups" in the same sense there actually is a thing called new york.
10:40	mircea_popescu	second off, and much more worrisome, the bizarre notion that there's safety in banality, to wit, that one can't fuck up by doing what "everyone" is doing.
10:40	mircea_popescu	this is exactly counter to what a startup is even for. this is ibm think.
10:40	mircea_popescu	there's simply no way he ends up any other way than bleeding in a ditch somewhere, with a pilum in his penis.
10:40	mircea_popescu	oviously in real reality start-ups are not the derps that go to "start-up dinners", but exactly the guys that don't
10:41	mircea_popescu	and similarly, start-ups aren't the guys that do what everyone else does, but exactly the guys that don't.
10:41	mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-06/03/silk-road-study << this is precisely why they wanted that "murder solicitation" thing in there so bad. and... they got it. because, bitcoin jesuses.
10:41	assbot	Study claims Silk Road reduced drug-related violence (Wired UK)
10:41	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:42	mike_c	i would post that on my wall, but then everyone would just ask me "who is mircea"
10:42	mircea_popescu	that's ok.
10:42	mike_c	drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it"
10:42	mircea_popescu	it;s not really intended for the comsumption of the etsy crowd.
10:42	Apocalyptic	<mike_c> drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it" << this
10:43	mircea_popescu	no but you see, that's who they are and what they do. what do you want ?
10:43	mircea_popescu	most people are supposed to be most people.
10:43	pankkake	i've also got the "it's written by a googletwitterfacebook employee"
10:43	mircea_popescu	yeah, like btc 7.0
10:46	moiety	have tweeter been in touch with you mircea_popescu?
10:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21115623 = 1.0558 BTC [+] {3}
10:46	pankkake	I believe it works the other way
10:46	Mats_cd03	im glad theres an extension
10:47	mircea_popescu	i don't even know moiety. still working at having everything up and running, moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task
10:47	moiety	i just realised smuxi has tweeter support and i have no idea how to use it
10:47	Mats_cd03	now i can use gpg on my chromebook
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.02999988 = 0.24 BTC [+]
10:47	mircea_popescu	smucksy ? :D
10:47	mircea_popescu	i mean schmucksy
10:47	pankkake	https://support.twitter.com/entries/15790
10:47	assbot	Twitter Help Center | My account is suspended
10:48	dub	http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf
10:48	moiety	i don't even know how you are still sane mircea_popescu, moving one person and two cats with very little stuff is.. well, I've had enough by this point lol
10:48	dub	crime stats in denver since they legalised weed
10:48	mircea_popescu	!up n6506
10:48	davout	mircea_popescu: "moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task" <<< if you care to share i'm curious about the criteria for choosing argentina
10:49	mircea_popescu	davout, basically, it's romania of the 90s/ny of the 70s.
10:49	mircea_popescu	i love that place.
10:49	fluffypony	The wife and I went to exactly 1 start-up dinner. Not only were the people a bunch of pretentious cocks that have never done anything successful in their lives (except circlejerk around all the cool synergies they can have with other start-ups), but the "speakers" (while eloquent and with beautiful Jobs-like presentations) espoused utterly inane notions that have no basis in reality and mostly have to do with spending stupid amounts of money
10:49	fluffypony	on "original" ideas that should cost a lot less than they do (see: guerrilla marketing).
10:49	davout	yeah, what was so cool about it?
10:49	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, remind me to tell you about the ONE bdsm meet i ever attended
10:49	n6506	mircea_popescu: behold phinnaeus gage in chan: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#701260
10:49	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:50	fluffypony	davout: dancing in the streets but for free!
10:50	mircea_popescu	o wow.
10:50	mircea_popescu	how did i miss that!
10:50	mircea_popescu	coolness.
10:50	moiety	he wasn't here long, he said he would be back though.
10:50	davout	the first rule of the tautology club...
10:51	xmj	mircea_popescu: am I unignored now?
10:51	mircea_popescu	;;later tell Phinnaeus it doesn't cunt if i wasn't there!!!
10:51	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:51	xmj	;;later tell mircea_popescu am I unignored now?
10:51	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:51	xmj	wonderful.
10:51	mircea_popescu	davout, i dunno, i like it!
10:51	n6506	also mircea_popescu, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#702046
10:51	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:51	pankkake	I hope that one line was trolling
10:51	mircea_popescu	it matches my proclivities or something.
10:52	mircea_popescu	n6506, o god have mercy.
10:52	n6506	:D
10:52	mircea_popescu	pankkake, were you the one with the "with cia agents" zinger, you multiminded psychopath you ?
10:52	mircea_popescu	just because they're after you doesn't mean everything's a meta.
10:53	pankkake	no it was nubbins http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=149
10:53	assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash
10:53	mircea_popescu	aok
10:53	mircea_popescu	but you're the same one guy rite ?
10:53	pankkake	depends on the days
10:57	mircea_popescu	;;tslb
10:57	gribble	Time since last block: 2 minutes and 36 seconds
10:58	mircea_popescu	moiety, well, i have women to drive nuts, so it keeps me sane. it's like a gift.
10:59	mircea_popescu	fluffypony:
10:59	mircea_popescu	code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi. << you know it's pretty much how this crap works irl.
10:59	mircea_popescu	princessnell: bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there! << what's so bad about law ?
10:59	mircea_popescu	princessnell,
10:59	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: that's the beauty of it...now if we add an IPO stage in the middle, we can make several HUNDREDS of Dollars!
10:59	fluffypony	worth it.
11:00	princessnell	mircea_popescu well there's a huge legal bubble in the us rite now
11:00	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, you may underestimate the bezzle. what's whatsapp sell for i forget ? 50 trillion ?
11:00	fluffypony	true
11:00	fluffypony	despite what u-sage usagi thinks, I'm clearly a shitty scammer
11:00	fluffypony	I need to up my scamgame
11:00	mircea_popescu	princessnell, as in too many duke grads unemployed to the point you get idjits a la tucker max writing "novels" and then moving on to "financial advicering" ?
11:01	princessnell	that's the spectacle. then there's the masses of subprime borrowers who went to shit tier law schools and now work as glorified file clerks at an hourly wage.
11:01	mircea_popescu	but my point was not about the direct practical application
11:02	mircea_popescu	my point is more that if you aspire to not be fucking stupid, pretty much the best avenue in the us colleges today is law.
11:02	mircea_popescu	granted this doesn't justify the tuition. but then again i've yet to meet the person that studied law and was worse for the wear for it.
11:02	princessnell	why do you think that?
11:03	mircea_popescu	which one
11:03	princessnell	ah
11:04	princessnell	"the best avenue" idk i'm biased but i'd have to go with economics or math or even logic/philosophy
11:04	mircea_popescu	there's nobody aliv ein the us qualified to teach philosophy to any degree.
11:04	princessnell	"studying the law" here = "memorizing administrative case law"
11:04	mircea_popescu	math is a prime tool of making one stupid, even in sane places (such as the soviet union)
11:04	mircea_popescu	ya well not that.
11:05	princessnell	point is i think on the whole the fields i mentioned equip you with better mental models than most law programs
11:05	mircea_popescu	i suppose the start-up approach to studying law in the us is getting a small apt close to the campus of a good law school and fucking all the older profs for free.
11:06	mircea_popescu	rent way cheaper than tuition, results way better than degree,
11:06	mircea_popescu	more fun all through.
11:06	mircea_popescu	well, we may be talking at cross purposes, let me try and model the difference.
11:06	princessnell	ha. but then you don't get a sheepskin.
11:07	mircea_popescu	suppose there's a land, and under this land water table, and above names of places.
11:07	mircea_popescu	how deep to the water table is perhaps what you're discussing, whereas how much water in that spot at all is maybe what i',m saying.
11:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00085571 = 31.2762 BTC [+] {2}
11:08	mircea_popescu	math models are a lot easier to access, yes. not nearly as useful tho, not generally.
11:10	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: you guys have seen this, right - http://coingen.io << depends. you ever heard of atc, the altcoin ?
11:10	assbot	Coingen
11:10	mircea_popescu	;;seen thickasthieves
11:10	gribble	thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 1 hour, 15 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> lol
11:10	princessnell	what is it about law itself that you think leads people to not fucking stupidity
11:10	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: was a prefix to a thought ;)
11:11	Mats_cd03	imo physics is the most valuable
11:11	mircea_popescu	princessnell, it can;t ever be right.
11:11	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03, has a good point, physics i agree is very very close. for exactly the same reason
11:11	mircea_popescu	physics can also never be right.
11:11	Mats_cd03	reasoning from first principles and so forth
11:13	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete: mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project << nah, thickasthieves was running lean at the time :D
11:14	princessnell	i think that's right but i unfortunately don't think that's the approach that us law schools take. anyways i deal a lot with law through economics so i can have it all.
11:14	mircea_popescu	yeah that's the thing, it never goes away anyway, so...
11:16	mircea_popescu	"BitFury Group Ltd. last week secured one of the largest rounds of funding in the bitcoin sector, bringing in $20 million."
11:16	mircea_popescu	say what you will, the press doth learn.
11:18	mircea_popescu	"and expects $210 million in revenue for this year, on $120 million in EBITDA, Mr. Kikvadze said"
11:18	mircea_popescu	!up jm123
11:18	mircea_popescu	check out that magic! 210 mn revenue 120mn ebitda!
11:20	pankkake	!up n6506
11:21	mike_c	because you can just ignore depreciation, especially in a mining operation.
11:21	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03: how long does it take for BB to deposit winnings following resolution << a maximum of two days
11:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2773 @ 0.00085585 = 2.3733 BTC [+]
11:22	mircea_popescu	mike_c, what i want to know is, if you ignore tax, interest, depreciaiton and everything else
11:22	mircea_popescu	where are you bleeding half your bottom line ?
11:22	mike_c	company parties are expensive.
11:23	mircea_popescu	no but srsly, what the fuck else is there
11:23	mike_c	salaries!
11:23	mircea_popescu	90mn in salaries ?
11:23	mircea_popescu	its a fucking start-up, they didn't hear of stock options in georgia ?
11:24	fluffypony	mike_c: Mining Equipment Present Value: $120mn. Mining Equipment Future Value: $120mn.
11:24	fluffypony	Mining Equipment Accounting Method
11:24	fluffypony	MEAM
11:24	mircea_popescu	lol
11:24	mike_c	well, they are talking about cash flow not balance sheet, so capex i guess
11:24	mircea_popescu	uh.
11:24	mircea_popescu	wait.
11:24	mike_c	capex counts against income, no?
11:25	mircea_popescu	dude that article could have been worse written
11:25	mircea_popescu	but it's not directly obvious how. who the fuck does wsj serve these days anyway ?
11:25	mircea_popescu	obviously not people with even 1 year's worth of cc business.
11:25	mike_c	you missed the one from financial times that said SD raised *10 million* btc in their ipo
11:26	mircea_popescu	i ddin't miss the part where th sec dutifully cribbed the mpex numbers from trilema.
11:26	mike_c	reporters are awesome (present company not included in sarcasm of course)
11:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3777 @ 0.00085594 = 3.2329 BTC [+]
11:26	fluffypony	mike_c: yeah that was my favourite
11:27	fluffypony	"IPO: want to raise half of bitcoins to ever exist. plz apply here."
11:27	mike_c	not to mention more than existed at the time.
11:27	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, at the time there were about 9.5mn in total in existence, of which ~1mn still locked as today
11:27	mircea_popescu	so... yeah.
11:27	fluffypony	heh
11:28	mircea_popescu	it would help if the people covering the most important thing happening in the world these years would be at leas tconversant in its basicsa
11:29	mircea_popescu	mike_c, i guess the sane construction here is they're paying about 100mn to the various manuf etc to make their chips, and they expect to mine 200mn worth of btc
11:29	mircea_popescu	seems a scary tight margin put in those terms, but who knows.
11:31	mircea_popescu	also seems they have no intention to even try doing amortisation accounting on the mining rigs
11:32	mike_c	well, depreciation. amortization is for non-real things.
11:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00085411 = 2.8613 BTC [-]
11:34	mircea_popescu	i can imagine why.
11:34	mircea_popescu	hm
11:34	mircea_popescu	mike_c, so how are miners real things
11:35	mike_c	physical machines seem like a tangible asset
11:35	mircea_popescu	they indeed seem that way.
11:35	mircea_popescu	but why would they be ?
11:35	benkay	remember the conversation about the s.mg server?
11:35	mircea_popescu	a dream machine made out of a block of obsidian is tangible too ?
11:35	mircea_popescu	benkay, no ?
11:36	benkay	there was a minor dust-up over the semantics of renting v owning.
11:36	mircea_popescu	aa that yes.
11:36	mircea_popescu	mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics.
11:36	mircea_popescu	they're just as tangible now than before, what are they worth ?
11:36	mike_c	nothing.
11:36	mircea_popescu	this seems to me to fly in the face of the ~fundamental~ point of tangibility
11:37	mircea_popescu	granted that the form of it favours your interpretation
11:37	mike_c	tangible assets are always overstated in value though
11:37	mircea_popescu	but all in all this is a fine example of why i said in the past that bitcoin fucks everything up. it ruined the notion of bonds similarly.
11:37	benkay	i had a hilarious experience last night
11:37	benkay	some noob was all fired to undercut a regular on the local btc circuit
11:37	benkay	make some dollars
11:38	benkay	opened his PHONE WALLET to discover that due to its dependency on the blockchain API he was SHIT OUT OF BITCOINS.
11:39	benkay	it was awesome. much lectures on understanding what the fuck you're playing with and how it's not a fucking toy were dispensed.
11:39	benkay	then i bought from a pro. using laptops.
11:39	benkay	sorry for interrupting the magic computers discussion
11:41	benkay	http://bitbet.us/bet/858/ << lol @ bitbet trolling for gracious donations
11:41	assbot	BitBet - Perpetual Obsolescence: iOS 8 Announced in 2014 :: 0.22 B (96%) on Yes, 0.01 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 3 weeks | weight: 93`313 (100`000 to 1)
11:42	mircea_popescu	<benkay> it was awesome. << kik pretty good
11:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07398283 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}
11:43	mike_c	not only is some dumbass trying to bet after the event, but he bets a whopping 20 cents.
11:44	mircea_popescu	lean betting
11:44	benkay	<mircea_popescu> im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody. // this is the same problem i have with figuring out which trade shows to attend. i can't find a pattern to which ones produce leads, so i have to make a bunch of mistakes and learn to sniff out the frauds myself.
11:45	benkay	some day my noodle will dry out
11:45	mircea_popescu	!up bitstein
11:45	mircea_popescu	benkay, pretty much th estory of business since niniveh
11:47	benkay	<mircea_popescu> gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line // even better are cleartext responses quoting the original message
11:47	benkay	FIRED.
11:48	bitcoinpete	lol usagi sent me a cleartext email the same day he negrated me
11:49	bitcoinpete	so i sent an email back to his otc email, a different one than the he'd previously sent from and… message delayed/lost in ether
11:49	bitcoinpete	gpg too hard obv
11:50	bitcoinpete	http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-argentine-memo-to-evade-bondholders-2014-6
11:50	assbot	Leaked Argentine Memo To Evade Bondholders - Business Insider
11:51	bitcoinpete	"the memo suggests that perhaps the country isn't eager to pay off all of its creditors."
11:51	bitcoinpete	usa in 10 years
11:51	bitcoinpete	maybe 20
11:52	bitcoinpete	maybe 5
11:53	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics. << like moving to sha512 or…?
11:53	mircea_popescu	nah, there's some extra bytes to be able to brick asics
11:54	bitcoinpete	no grok...
11:55	chetty	re-education camps are here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/03/baker-forced-to-make-gay-wedding-cakes-undergo-sensitivity-training-after/
11:55	assbot	Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit | Fox News
11:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.0008569 = 68.0379 BTC [+] {3}
11:56	CheckDavid	:D
11:56	mircea_popescu	wtf bullshi tis that
11:56	CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: you made assbot trust me so I can voice?
11:57	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid
11:57	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znkzsxuxaicnqsnr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014
11:57	mircea_popescu	nope.
11:57	mircea_popescu	o yah, yeah i think ytou were added to the list back when
11:57	CheckDavid	Oh. Thanks
11:58	CheckDavid	Kickstarter doesn't allow btc or does it?
11:59	CheckDavid	I heard one can implement btc payments in there somehow though
11:59	CheckDavid	Not sure if accurate
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.02684972 BTC to 8`428 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
12:02	mike_c	this cracks me up. hipster lorem ipsum: http://hipsum.co/?paras=4&type=hipster-centric
12:02	assbot	Hipster Ipsum | Artisanal filler text for your site or project.
12:03	princessnell	chetty terrible. i need to gtfo like yesterday.
12:03	chetty	buenos aries is nice princessnell
12:04	chetty	gasenwagens are next
12:04	princessnell	chetty the conference seems so far away. might need to scope out the place beforehand.
12:07	benkay	i just learned about the doge "soak"
12:09	benkay	re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest.'
12:10	danielpbarron	^ ++
12:11	mike_c	that doesn't work for a bakery. you can't serve 10 customers cake and then tell the black guy "this isn't a good deal for me".
12:11	danielpbarron	"i'm all out of cake"
12:12	benkay	there are just so many ways to do it, though mike_c
12:12	benkay	10x the normal rate
12:12	benkay	100x the normal rate
12:12	danielpbarron	i'd just make the homos their stupid cake and then tweet about how homosexuals should be stoned to death later that night
12:12	mike_c	and why are you changing the rate? because the guy is gay? doesn't work.
12:13	benkay	changing what rate? each customer only sees their own quote
12:13	benkay	unless of course you're publishing prices
12:13	benkay	for custom work
12:14	mike_c	meh, i don't think it works irl. just make the guy a cake. wtf does the baker care? you don't go to hell for making gay cakes.
12:14	benkay	but you go to the gulag for saying "naw faggot get out"
12:14	mike_c	yeah, so?
12:14	mircea_popescu	mike_c, pretty good lol
12:14	benkay	don't say that
12:14	mircea_popescu	ETSY!
12:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02124 = 0.1699 BTC [+]
12:15	mircea_popescu	<benkay> re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest. << hyou know this is how the VC circus was born right ? bankers thinking it imprident to laugh in the face of "businessmen"
12:15	mircea_popescu	led retarded kids with no negative feedback in a positive feedback loop
12:15	benkay	sure
12:16	benkay	but the baker answers to a higher power
12:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02513275 = 0.1759 BTC [-]
12:16	mircea_popescu	which is why there should be no higher power than a baker
12:16	princessnell	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/04/mayday-pac-tech_n_5442230.html
12:16	assbot	Tech Titans From Both Parties Get Behind Super PAC To End All Super PACs
12:16	benkay	some day.
12:16	princessnell	Peter Thiel getting behind campaign finance reform
12:17	danielpbarron	how can you even tell the cake is for a gay wedding? i'm guess it has two groom figurines on the top; is it against the law to have a rule that no cake may have two male figurines on top?
12:17	danielpbarron	or "the customer must buy the figurines separately and apply them himself"
12:17	TomServo	Isn't the real humor re: the gay cake the fact that this ruling occurred in a state in which gay marriage is illegal?
12:18	Mats_cd03	that war chest needs about three more zeros to make a difference
12:18	asciilifeform	'GET /wallet.zip HTTP/1.1' from 46.36.222.156 port 49375', 'GET /bitcoin.zip...' [same], lol, is the tard on freenode?
12:18	mike_c	danielpbarron: you going to have a rule against black figurines on your cakes too?
12:19	danielpbarron	mike_c, I wouldn't, but would that be illegal?
12:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, i wonder if this is how usagi backups
12:19	mike_c	is discrimination illegal? generally, yes.
12:20	mircea_popescu	discrimination can't be illegal.
12:20	danielpbarron	how is that discrimination? the rule isn't no black customers; it's no black figurines
12:20	mircea_popescu	lol the kid shows promise
12:20	chetty	well its the {must have sensitiveity training' that gets me
12:20	benkay	wait hang on i figured it out
12:21	benkay	"don't transact with the masses"
12:21	asciilifeform	'GET /backups/'..., 'GET /btc/'..., 'GET /safe/'..., 'GET /backup.zip'..., 'GET /.svn/entries' << lol!
12:21	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron, it will be argued that it is in fact discriminatory on the racist presumption that it disproportionately affects black customers, as if they absolutely have to have black figurines on their wedding cake.
12:21	mircea_popescu	which is why all this nonsense is so funny, all the racism involved in the arguments against discrimination.
12:22	mike_c	danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks.
12:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02513275 = 0.2513 BTC [-]
12:23	chetty	I once had to go to a racism class when I was pregnant, some derp said something about pregnant and barefoot women in the kitchen so I took my shoes off and said 'which way?'
12:24	moiety	ok moving time, see yous later!
12:24	Naphex	hey xmj troll me with some marketing voodoo about startups i am in the mood:)
12:24	danielpbarron	just to clarify, I don't have a problem with blacks, but so what? if you don't like that someone hates blacks then don't do business with them
12:24	danielpbarron	nobody is entitled to the service of having a wedding cake made for them
12:25	mike_c	"so what" is that a lot of people don't find racism/sexism/homophobia something to simply be ignored.
12:25	mike_c	because then you end up with half your country owning slaves.
12:25	danielpbarron	a lot of people do really stupid things
12:25	chetty	well we have lost 'we reserve the right to refuse service'
12:25	davout	danielpbarron: in france we have this "refus de vente" offense, you can't just select your customers if you're selling to the general public
12:25	danielpbarron	mike_c, what does slavery have to do with hating blacks??
12:26	danielpbarron	mike_c, I am pro-slavery and I don't argue it from a racial point of view
12:26	davout	mircea_popescu: "which is why there should be no higher power than a baker" <<< such amen
12:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00085472 = 14.1029 BTC [-]
12:26	asciilifeform	over here, 'right to refuse service' is alive and well in... pubs. it is permitted when based on particular clothing. which the 'untermenschen' helpfully insist on wearing.
12:27	xmj	Naphex: yawn
12:27	Naphex	funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^
12:27	xmj	now i get shat on for describing reality. ffu
12:27	xmj	Naphex: troll someone else
12:28	danielpbarron	yeah, clubs in NYC turn you away for having the "wrong shoes" which some argue is vailed racism (they are basically saying, blacks don't have nice shoes)
12:28	Naphex	what about rapppers?
12:28	fluffypony	I like wrap
12:28	xmj	Naphex: I've made the same experiences, fwiw. once they notice you're about to spend decent cash.. attire is secondary
12:28	davout	asciilifeform: i guess it's not really comparable (we have that too in france, you need to be dressed up to get into nightclubs), thing is, the "dressed-up" criteria is based on measurable things that are laid out beforehand, not on whether oyu like or dislike someone
12:28	Naphex	http://www.bet.com/news/fashion-and-beauty/2012/04/11/fab-or-fail-jeremy-scott-gorilla-adidas-as-seen-on-amber-rose-and-a-ap-rocky/_jcr_content/featuredMedia/newsitemimage.newsimage.dimg/041112-fashion-beauty-2-chainz-gorilla-adidas-shoes.jpg those some nice shoes
12:29	asciilifeform	davout: not quite the same thing. it's 'no caps', 'no pants with wide bottoms', etc. rather than 'must have civilized suit'
12:29	davout	asciilifeform: yeah but it's measurable and not based on *who* wears the clothing
12:29	asciilifeform	the folks for whom these items are mandatory, 'national' clothing stay out. and don't seem to complain.
12:30	benkay	go once, conform to rules, make friends, spend money, return wearing cap. no problems.
12:30	Naphex	see benkay knows how to infiltrate
12:31	davout	i mean, the whole baker thing sounds pretty retarded anyway, if i went to a baker that refuses jews i wouldn't insist on giving him business
12:31	Naphex	:)))
12:31	asciilifeform	davout owns a time machine?
12:31	davout	asciilifeform: yes, designed by apple in california
12:31	davout	:D
12:31	chetty	davout, but thats the point, they do it to push agenda, not to get cake
12:32	davout	fucking gayminists
12:34	fluffypony	gomunists
12:36	mike_c	you assholes got my bp up. who needs coffee.
12:36	mike_c	http://xkcd.com/386/
12:36	assbot	xkcd: Duty Calls
12:37	davout	mike_c: word
12:37	xmj	infiltration is piece of cake :)
12:38	xmj	http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/access_mod.html << very good short story.
12:38	assbot	Access
12:40	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: You know the other planes that have the same paint job, but are no where near the president's location in the world
12:41	BingoBoingo	Eh, /, is the suck. They traded my link for abc news
12:42	TomServo	BingoBoingo: That's weak.
12:43	TomServo	BingoBoingo: "if-it's-not-money,-it's-close-enough-for-government-work dept." are those your words?
12:45	BingoBoingo	TomServo: Nah
12:48	BingoBoingo	%book
12:48	atcbot	3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 48k@141 25k@141 100k@140
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12:50	mircea_popescu	ycombinator needs to fucking stop sending stuff.
12:50	fluffypony	for a moment I was hoping that was on the forum
12:55	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03: mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b58 i dont see the funds https://blockchain.info/address/17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR << looking into this.
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12:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 4248 @ 0.00047259 = 2.0076 BTC [-] {3}
12:57	benkay	<Naphex> see benkay knows how to infiltrate // it's a joo
12:57	benkay	<Naphex> see benkay knows how to infiltrate // it's a joo thing
12:58	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: your bits are too slow << URBITS!
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 205 @ 0.00387492 = 0.7944 BTC [-] {7}
12:59	mircea_popescu	<mike_c> danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks. << how serious are you ?!
12:59	mike_c	well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines?
12:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.003801 = 0.1596 BTC [-]
13:00	mircea_popescu	<mike_c> because then you end up with half your country owning slaves. << to the great benefit of all those involved.
13:00	mircea_popescu	<Naphex> funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^ << this guy has a real cash fetish :D
13:01	Naphex	i don't
13:01	Naphex	other people do
13:02	mircea_popescu	mike_c, i dunno dood, maybe you don't like the ingredients that have to be used to make it be black.
13:02	Naphex	i like bitcoins:D
13:02	mircea_popescu	it's such nonsenbse this, that your particular meaning is somehow part of objects now.
13:03	mike_c	not part of objects, part of behavior.
13:03	mircea_popescu	every culture is free to create its own set of names for the constellations wtf.
13:03	chetty	hey they can even draw new ones if they like, dont change the stars
13:03	mircea_popescu	mike_c, you against flag burning too ?
13:04	mike_c	no
13:04	mircea_popescu	so legt me get this straight
13:04	mircea_popescu	if i make two paper figurines, one black, one red-white aqnd burn both
13:04	mircea_popescu	your bp is going up over a selective subset of this ?
13:05	mike_c	thinking..
13:05	mircea_popescu	"behaviour" is a cop out. the tendency is to put meaning into objects, which is a task for they who've hunted snipes successfully.
13:07	mike_c	some people "hate americans" and act accordingly. I think this is retarded, but it doesn't upset me. some people "hate homos" and act accordingly, yet this does upset me.
13:07	mike_c	perhaps this is inconsistent.
13:07	Naphex	well i hate people who hate animals
13:07	Naphex	and act accordingly
13:07	Naphex	and i act accordingly when i see people acting accordingly to hating animals
13:07	danielpbarron	<+mike_c> well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines? << there needn't be any other reason; is it my business or not?
13:08	mircea_popescu	it goes much deeper than that mike_c. some years ago, in the days of the johnny cash, trolls burned the flag much to the dismay of the right "silent majority", which was mocked by the progressive left.
13:08	mircea_popescu	meanwhile that progressive left has ossified into a "silent majority", and... well... trolls are burning black men much to their display.
13:08	mircea_popescu	if this isn't a sad exercise into becoming everything you've hated about the stupidity of your parents
13:08	mircea_popescu	i dunno what would be.
13:09	mike_c	so what's your point? that I shouldn't care about other people's idiocy? or is it that it isn't stupid to be racist/homophobic.
13:09	mircea_popescu	at any raqte, the notion that anyone burned the flag "because they hated america" was so fucking ridiculojus back then
13:09	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You just might win the Halep bet
13:09	mircea_popescu	quite obviously everyone did it to piss off the people who get pissed off by these things
13:10	mircea_popescu	mike_c, my point is that you can't pretend like meaning is immanent. it's not.
13:10	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo, W00t
13:10	mircea_popescu	where 00 are b00bies
13:10	BingoBoingo	I thought she lost them, because they were holding her back
13:10	BingoBoingo	http://fairplaydeprahova.altphel.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/simona-halep-pic-getty-568887852-396666.jpg
13:10	danielpbarron	why is racism always lumped in with hating homosexuals, and why is hating homosexuals lumped in with homophobia? I'm not afraid of them, lol
13:10	mike_c	but there often is meaning. flag burning is dumb. but refusing service based on race/gay/sex does have meaning.
13:11	mircea_popescu	so she's going to 4ever be remember as that nigger that didn't need em to have em :D
13:11	BingoBoingo	I mean she's now two wins away from the trophy or whatever the fuck they play over.
13:11	mircea_popescu	mike_c, seems a distinction devoid of difference, entirely made out of your own interest.
13:12	BingoBoingo	http://tennis.si.com/2014/06/03/simona-halep-french-open-quarterfinals/
13:12	assbot	Photos: Is Simona Halep the most graceful player on the women’s tour? | Beyond The Baseline
13:12	mircea_popescu	holy shit she has it all huh.
13:12	chetty	why would it matter to you what some other person thinks? (random person, not friend or anything)
13:13	mircea_popescu	chetty, because you're insecure about your pile of unexamined groupthink items.
13:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00085472 = 12.8208 BTC [-]
13:13	danielpbarron	because the lgbt movement isn't about rights; it's the opposite: it's about forcing acceptance on others
13:13	mike_c	100 people go lynch a black guy. yes, 20 of them only did it because of peer pressure, but 80 of them did do it because they hate/fear/whatever blacks.
13:13	danielpbarron	"you better at least pretend to like gays.. OR ELSE."
13:13	mike_c	that doesn't mean there was no meaning to any of it.
13:13	mircea_popescu	mike_c, it means you can't count on it tho.
13:14	mircea_popescu	do people killing rats hate rats for that matter ?
13:14	mike_c	sure, i can't count it. but fuck those 20 guys who did it for dumb reasons too.
13:14	mircea_popescu	like say an exterminator.
13:14	danielpbarron	exterminators probably love rats
13:15	chetty	haha well if you live in DC rat killing is not allowed
13:15	mike_c	bad analogy. killing rats and/or manuls means nothing.
13:15	mircea_popescu	oic
13:15	mircea_popescu	anbd you get to decide which objects carry meanin and which don't and what it is ?
13:15	mircea_popescu	what are you, like the mp of creation ?
13:15	mike_c	what's the other option? you don't get to assign meaning to anything?
13:15	mike_c	"i'm not god, so whatever"
13:15	mircea_popescu	you get to do it for yourself,
13:15	mircea_popescu	leave some space for the rest of the world.
13:18	mike_c	sure, like you left some space for romanians by leaving. you also wrote a blog post telling them they suck on the way out.
13:18	mircea_popescu	god help us if i happen to think xmj is stupid and xmj happens to think i shouldn't happen to think that. what's that gonna yield, a law against thinking xmjs are stupi ? enacted by ycombinator ?
13:18	mircea_popescu	this is why there shouldn't be a greater power than a baker in the first placre.
13:19	xmj	what is wrong with mircea_popescu
13:19	mircea_popescu	mike_c, i told them they suck while there, too. you don;t know about it because i told THEM
13:19	xmj	he's deluded.
13:19	pankkake	how old are you xmj?
13:19	xmj	27 today.
13:19	midnightmagic	happy birthday
13:19	mike_c	hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree.
13:20	pankkake	I was already grumpy at 27
13:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00085895 = 7.6876 BTC [+] {2}
13:20	mircea_popescu	not that far. i;m merely pointing at a certain bit of nonsense you seem to have accidentally swallowed
13:20	xmj	oh i do agree with that.
13:20	xmj	pankkake: i think mircea_popescu is stupid for thinking i'm stupid for describing reality as it is.
13:20	mircea_popescu	by the time there's laws directing the proper behaviour in bakeries the discussion as to whether the state failed or succeedded is moot
13:20	xmj	go work for a few venture capital-funded startups.
13:20	xmj	you'll see what i mean.
13:20	mircea_popescu	both states having collapsed into a singularity.
13:21	pankkake	it looks like a misunderstanding like only the internet can create
13:22	Naphex	lol
13:22	xmj	yeah, no
13:22	Naphex	xmj: man no matter what startup or the funding, knowing your shit is always good
13:22	xmj	he thinks i'm describing a should-state
13:22	fluffypony	http://aeon.co/magazine/world-views/does-america-need-to-make-english-its-official-language/
13:22	assbot	Should English be the US official language? Eric C Miller Aeon
13:22	Naphex	and thinking about your hardware always counts
13:22	xmj	Naphex: Obviously.
13:22	Naphex	no matter what lean mean strategy you pull
13:22	pankkake	yes, that's what it seems
13:23	Naphex	and also, storing private data on hypervisors you don't control
13:23	Naphex	makes it insecure
13:23	Naphex	period
13:23	Naphex	so thats that with that argument
13:23	pankkake	can't we just stay meta?
13:23	xmj	Naphex: case in point: all startups here in estonia i've heard of do not buy hardware but use aws/rackspace/...
13:23	Naphex	xmj: and that is in no way a good thing
13:23	Naphex	they may do that, they may thing its correct
13:23	mircea_popescu	lol looks like Naphex got his wish
13:23	xmj	AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.
13:23	Naphex	but it is not
13:24	xmj	jo
13:24	Naphex	+xmj> AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.
13:24	Naphex	why not do everything yourself?
13:24	xmj	(now that's for smaller ones between 10 and 20 people)
13:24	chetty	I think I just got a new curse word - consensus
13:24	xmj	Naphex: because it's not part of the "core business" and you don't get seed-funded to do that.
13:24	xmj	in other words.. don't ask me
13:24	xmj	ask their COOs
13:25	asciilifeform	wait was someone seriously arguing for the merits of 'cloud' crapola ?!
13:25	mike_c	xmj: what percentage of these companies fail?
13:25	Naphex	what do i care about their co's
13:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, it;s unclear yet.
13:25	chetty	remember: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpTQOM4CAAEndo0.jpg
13:25	xmj	mike_c: Most :)
13:25	Naphex	but don't just go about hosting bitcoins on vps's
13:25	*	asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here
13:25	Naphex	and tell customers they're secure
13:25	mike_c	most = what? > 90%? > 99%?
13:25	xmj	probably somewhere like that
13:25	xmj	i could pull numbers out of my ass
13:25	mike_c	so why the hell would you be pushing their shitty methodology?
13:25	xmj	you might just as well read some techcrunch
13:26	xmj	mike_c: again, I'm not
13:26	mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here << we'll get the cardano once b-a becomes boring
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13:26	xmj	mike_c: I describe what I see people doing without value judgment.
13:26	asciilifeform	lul
13:27	Naphex	one day a bored aws admin will grep for private keys :)
13:27	*	chetty now applying for admin job pls
13:28	Naphex	or lol
13:28	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
13:28	Naphex	grep for walletpassphrase (*.)
13:28	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 649.4, vol: 18742.35969948 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 637.0, vol: 12842.89905 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 650.58, vol: 27676.79113624 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 663.99, vol: 22.30524757 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 643.7664, vol: 7005.07430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 644.15564, vol: 64.15305076 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 652.944, vol: 88.08421187 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
13:28	BingoBoingo	;;more
13:28	gribble	646.905240805
13:28	Naphex	and wallet.dat
13:28	BingoBoingo	%book
13:28	atcbot	3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 47k@141 25k@141 100k@140
13:28	xmj	what could possibly go wrong haha
13:29	mircea_popescu	Naphex, you saw the earlier lines from asciilifeform ? bitcoin.zip etc
13:29	xmj	if you must back it up in teh cloud, at least use tarsnap.
13:29	mircea_popescu	for that matter, am i the only one old enough to remember the reason we don't use linode ?
13:29	mike_c	i remember the why, but not the who.
13:30	pankkake	I remember and I had 0 bitcoins at the time even
13:30	pankkake	another "wtf are those kids doing" moment
13:30	mircea_popescu	mike_c, slush and bitcoinica.
13:30	kakobrekla	instawallet ?
13:30	mike_c	the answer to everything is bitcoinica :)
13:31	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction" << it wasn't a conviction. more like "the sec spent 150k for bitcoin people to go "here's a dime go buy something nice for yourself and stfu""
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13:31	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, nah you recall the breach when a linode emplooyee just ran off with th ewallets
13:31	danielpbarron	<+mike_c> hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree. << you think people should be free to commit acts of sodomy; I am *sure* I don't agree. Which one of our sensibilities is more valuable? My solution is: you enforce your anti-racist w/e on your property, and I'll enforce my anti-homo w/e on mine.
13:31	mircea_popescu	and linode first lied about it, then offered people a 1 month free coupon
13:31	mircea_popescu	slush ended up covering 4k from pocket
13:32	pankkake	lol I didn't know about the employee and the coupon. golden
13:33	mike_c	danielpbarron: you own any apple products?
13:33	mircea_popescu	this was before wallets were encrypted by the reference client
13:33	mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel
13:33	Naphex	man people who host on vps will host their .bash_history and wallet code there as well
13:33	Naphex	encrypted will do no help
13:33	pankkake	https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/asslyrics/src/1629355dd29c480be17f86fbe349f903173ef855/hotelbitcoinica.txt?at=master btw
13:33	assbot	pankkake / asslyrics / source / hotelbitcoinica.txt — Bitbucket
13:33	Naphex	cause you can get they key
13:33	mircea_popescu	Naphex, that too.
13:34	pankkake	if it's on a virtual instance, you can just inspect the memory
13:34	Naphex	why bother
13:34	danielpbarron	<+mike_c> danielpbarron: you own any apple products? << ya; my iPhone is the first and last apple crap i'll ever buy
13:34	asciilifeform	'some learn from book; others, from example; the rest must piss on the electric fence personally'
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13:34	mike_c	good thing, can't be giving more money to tim cook.
13:35	danielpbarron	mike_c, everyone is disgusting; I hate everyone. I wouldn't do business with anyone if that were my criteria
13:35	mike_c	:)
13:35	mike_c	</rant>
13:35	gabriel_laddel	mike_c: yo: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2008%20Med%20Hypotheses.pdf
13:35	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron, why so angry ?
13:36	danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, heh i'm not angry; it's Biblical hatred
13:36	mircea_popescu	ic
13:36	danielpbarron	all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
13:37	diametric	is this guy for real, i can't recall that nick before.
13:37	mike_c	oh he's serious. you should see when him and Luke-Jr get going.
13:38	mircea_popescu	god damned usb conventions
13:38	mircea_popescu	i have 8 cabloes here, and im not even sure i got one for each case ;/
13:38	diametric	universal indeed
13:38	mircea_popescu	diametric, yeah what mike said
13:39	mircea_popescu	so fucking universal it could be an endangered species for its universality.
13:39	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.okokchina.com/Files/uppic23/Sell%20USB%20Universal%20Tool%20Bag_Computer%20Usb%20Cable%20Kit286.jpg << example of pill against this
13:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02124 = 0.1487 BTC [-]
13:40	mircea_popescu	sigh
13:40	mircea_popescu	;;google DE .5 gold plated
13:40	gribble	Engagement Rings: Buy Engagement Rings in Jewelry at Sears: <http://www.sears.com/jewelry-wedding-engagement-jewelry-bridal-jewelry-engagement-rings/b-1327352579>; AuroDur Datasheet - RfMW: <http://www.rfmw.com/Rosenberger_AuroDur_EN_070221.pdf>; Oscar De La Renta 24-Karat Gold-Plated Drop Earrings - Polyvore: (1 more message)
13:40	mircea_popescu	holi shyt.
13:41	mircea_popescu	;;google Desert Eagle which is a .5 hand cannon designed for shooting the idiots that made this mess, gold plated
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13:41	gribble	No matches found.
13:41	mircea_popescu	i blame mike_c
13:42	mike_c	;;google desert eagle .50
13:42	gribble	Desert Eagle, .50 AE, Black - Magnum Research, Inc.: <http://www.magnumresearch.com/firearms/magnum-research-desert-eagle-50-ae-black.asp>; Desert Eagle .50 Cal One Handed - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVuRLztDljY>; My Wife -vs- the Desert Eagle .50 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJjaj7pXsA>
13:43	mircea_popescu	ty.
13:43	mike_c	americans know how to find guns.
13:43	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, ^ there is another example.
13:43	asciilifeform	lol
13:43	BingoBoingo	http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/03/26/115713_01_desert_eagle_50_ae_gold_tiger__640.jpg
13:43	BingoBoingo	^ cannon
13:43	asciilifeform	'eagle', as i understand, is among the more impractical small arms ever sold
13:44	mike_c	don't call it small, you'll make it mad
13:44	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, you've been lied to.
13:44	asciilifeform	wrist destruction machine
13:44	mircea_popescu	it's not a fucking smg.
13:46	asciilifeform	reminds me of another peculiar american small arm, often seen in catalogues - the pocket m16.
13:47	asciilifeform	http://www.twncommunications.net/Other/ARPistol.jpg
13:47	asciilifeform	^ example
13:47	fluffypony	mike_c: you'll be pleased to know that I'm sticking to my iPhone, and will probably be getting the iPhone 6 when it comes out
13:47	fluffypony	:-P
13:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 201 @ 0.0037249 = 0.7487 BTC [-] {7}
13:48	mircea_popescu	this chan will be known in retrospect mostly by the abundance and insistence of heresy
13:48	mike_c	blech, get an android. i was just looking for ammo.
13:48	asciilifeform	never know when you might chance upon a rhinoceros.
13:49	fluffypony	in -otc: [19:47:39] ronkrt: Any investor types that would care to chat about a possible great investment op?
13:49	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust ronkrt
13:49	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ronkrt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ronkrt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ronkrt | Rated since: Mon Jun 2 03:02:14 2014
13:49	fluffypony	should I give him the support number and tell him he can phone to learn how to IPO?
13:49	mircea_popescu	let's not troll moiety too much
13:50	BingoBoingo	Rhinocerous http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/03/29/the-577-tyrannosaur/
13:50	assbot	The .577 Tyrannosaur | Shall Not Be Questioned
13:50	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: neato! have you tried it?
13:50	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: No. But seems to be actual anti Rhinocerous weapon.
13:52	BingoBoingo	;;google .700 Nitro Express
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13:52	gribble	.700 Nitro Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.700_Nitro_Express>; 700 Nitro Express - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D41NYBHkb9M>; Cameron fires the .700 Nitro Express - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTKFnThh6Q>
13:52	BingoBoingo	^ Moar innovation
13:53	BingoBoingo	Actually and English one http://www.vincelewis.net/700.html
13:53	assbot	700 NITRO EXPRESS RIFLE
13:54	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard << isn't this sexist ? shouldn't it be fatherboard ?
13:54	mike_c	personboard
13:54	asciilifeform	http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/13481/13752380_1.jpg?v=8CF480C988D3E10
13:54	asciilifeform	why settle for half-measures.
13:56	BingoBoingo	Very good question
13:56	asciilifeform	there used to be surplus 'lahti' (finland) on u.s. market
13:56	asciilifeform	no idea what happened to that
13:57	asciilifeform	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/L39.jpg
13:57	asciilifeform	20mm
		~ 17 minutes ~
14:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0738486 = 0.2954 BTC [+]
14:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02108045 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {4}
14:19	mircea_popescu	nubbins`:
14:19	mircea_popescu	"The SEC’s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures." << wtf that's a quote ?!
14:21	mircea_popescu	pankkake: it's weird to name yourself bitcoinwoman << about as weird as bitcoingirl. kinda lulzy how female identity is constructed in th eeng;lish space
14:21	mircea_popescu	"you know pete ? well im like pete, but a woman"
14:22	mircea_popescu	or, "i'm the woman with pete"
14:22	mircea_popescu	etc.
14:22	mircea_popescu	ultimate derivative product.
14:22	mircea_popescu	at least derpy guys understand that bitcoinman doesn't work, so they go for bitcoinjezuz instead
14:23	mircea_popescu	i guess since there are no famous or remarkable women in history, women can't do the same thing. wtf is bitcoinmarymagdalene.
14:23	mircea_popescu	and so that's the gripe with patriarchy : it gave it easy to guys. there we go, i now understand 4th wave feminism.
14:23	mircea_popescu	they're butthurt that guys can go "bitcoinjesus" but they have to go "bitcoingirl"
14:23	mike_c	bitcoinoprah?
14:24	mircea_popescu	she;s fat.
14:24	mike_c	only ever other season
14:24	mike_c	*every
14:24	mircea_popescu	what 20yo underfed white chick from milkaukee is going to indentify herself with a 60yo aretha franklin lookalike
14:25	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=639056.0 never stops to entertain
14:25	assbot	HEDGE FUND BTC
14:25	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Arethra doesn't look Oprah bad
14:25	pankkake	bitcoinjoanofarc
14:25	mircea_popescu	i can't tell black people apart because i'm racist.
14:25	mircea_popescu	they all look the same to me.
14:26	pankkake	can you tell koreans apart?
14:26	mircea_popescu	only by height.
14:26	mircea_popescu	"I'm the owner Hedge Fund BTC list today in BitcoinBourse ticker HFB and Hedge Fund LTC list today in LitecoinInvest ticker HFLTC. Today BitcoinBourse change terms for merchants. I consider than are unacceptables."
14:26	mircea_popescu	(i;m an asshole, i can't tell most people apart. also i'm famous for thinking most women are blonde etc)
14:27	BingoBoingo	Wait, is dotcoin complaining about himself nao?
14:27	pankkake	bitcoinbourse is also female
14:27	mircea_popescu	that's bitcoinpourse
14:27	mircea_popescu	different.
14:27	mircea_popescu	(can you tell them apart ?)
14:27	mike_c	nobody can tell other races apart. your brain is wired from childhood to be sensitive to distinctions in your own race's facial features.
14:28	mircea_popescu	i can tell jews apart...
14:28	mike_c	then you got some of that blood in you somewhere
14:28	mircea_popescu	im sure some grandmother musta fucked a nigger at some point, what's this.
14:30	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bitcoinnoether?
14:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16546 @ 0.00085615 = 14.1659 BTC [-] {3}
14:31	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, no see, they'd have had to read to know that. like, books
14:31	mircea_popescu	what good is it if you gotta work for it.
14:31	asciilifeform	lol
14:31	mircea_popescu	ok bitbet payments should have b4een caught up
14:32	mircea_popescu	If BitcoinBourse don't reconsiders her new maintenance fees perhaps we need to any of this:
14:32	mircea_popescu	- Migrate to any other exchange.
14:32	mircea_popescu	o noes, what do they charge now ?
14:35	Naphex	Bitcoin is money for internet. Internet money good. Buy some. Price go up. You spend. Everyone happy.
14:35	Naphex	" "
14:35	Naphex	forgot the quotes
14:35	punkman	Naphex: who's that
14:37	mircea_popescu	tarzan.
14:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00085239 = 34.7775 BTC [-]
14:38	Naphex	some guy from reddit
14:38	Naphex	just foind it funny
14:38	asciilifeform	in unrelated news, the wikiwagen seems to have vanished from the vacant lot it lived in, on my street. not long after i last mentioned it here.
14:38	asciilifeform	http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_10_20/Anonymous-is-engaged-in-a-battle-for-truth-over-evil-Christine-Ann-Sands-0846
14:38	assbot	Anonymous is engaged in battle for truth over evil Christine Ann Sands - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video
14:38	asciilifeform	^ purported interview with owner
14:40	asciilifeform	http://anonomobile.com
14:40	assbot	ANONOMOBILE | Anonymous Mobile Unit | Government Transparency Intelligence Task Force
14:40	asciilifeform	^ honeypot on wheels
14:40	punkman	lol
14:41	punkman	"God has appointed Anonymous and WikiLeaks to reveal the truth and Occupy to guard it.  John 8:32"
14:41	punkman	so they are into god now?
14:41	asciilifeform	check out the pr0n in the comment thread
14:42	asciilifeform	poor woman, seems like the shitter in the van doesn't work. there's a portable latrine on the grounds.
14:43	bitstein	;;later tell bitcoinpete This one's dedicated to you: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/474257865360678913
14:43	assbot	"Hi, I'm Dr Steve Brule with BitAngels. Wanna make some money with your cool bit-Coins? Buy /hashtag/MaidSafe?src=hash, ya dummies!" http://t.co/V9JrwDyGGe
14:43	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:44	asciilifeform	a few days ago, i take an evening walk, see the place - no wikiwagen, the other (unmarked) bus on the grounds also gone, two women poking at what looks like the remains of a ruined bicycle.
14:45	mircea_popescu	bitstein, can you translate for the slow ?
14:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, you don't have enough experience to recognise a symbian once it's been used by a progressive, i take it ?
14:46	Naphex	well
14:46	Naphex	steve brule
14:46	Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6a8dAGO1Uo
14:46	assbot	Brown's Day Care -Dr Steve Brule - YouTube
14:46	mircea_popescu	Naphex, is that anything like creme
14:46	jurov	selling rubbermaid?
14:46	mircea_popescu	?
14:46	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: symbian, the dumbphone os ?
14:46	asciilifeform	a bit lost here
14:46	mircea_popescu	;;google symbian, the machine that'll fuck any fatty.
14:46	gribble	News - hestengen-dressage.dk: <http://hestengen-dressage.dk/GB/News.aspx?accb0da0bb1511df851a0800200c9a67=1&newsId=63&backText=Return>; The six best fitness apps :: Men's Health: <http://www.menshealth.co.uk/living/gear/the-six-best-fitness-apps>; Croatian Aristocracy: Royals: <http://croatianaristocracy.blogspot.com/2000/10/royals.html?showComment=1401659913886>
14:46	asciilifeform	sybian.
14:47	mircea_popescu	letters, they're all the same.
14:47	mircea_popescu	why discriminate.
14:47	asciilifeform	i must confess, didn't knock on the door of the wagen, didn't see if one was installed.
14:47	bitstein	mircea_popescu, just watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UyIUcF57js&index=3&list=PL89BD7F7EC13090C8
14:47	assbot	Keep 'Em Outside | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim - YouTube
14:47	asciilifeform	i do wonder as to the objective: poor lamer knocks on the door, invited for tea, vivisected ?
14:47	mircea_popescu	just bored to death i bet.
14:47	asciilifeform	didn't care to find out
14:48	Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g31nLatyci4#t=395 watch and see a huge peter schiff having a brainfart
14:48	assbot	Buying Gold With Bitcoin Just Got Easier - YouTube
14:48	Naphex	on the value of bitcoin
14:49	Naphex	"the people made gold money, not the goverments"
14:49	Naphex	olol
14:50	Naphex	"and gold wouldn't have ever value if the people wouldn't have done that, but bitcoin has no value":o
14:50	mircea_popescu	wtf derpage is this
14:50	mircea_popescu	of course the lord made gold money.
14:50	bitstein	Look at this innovative monetary technology you can get your hands on with Bitcoin now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cNwaA5sNr8
14:50	assbot	Valcambi CombiBar - The New Gold Standard in Gold - YouTube
14:51	mircea_popescu	the people were invented in 1797 what the fuck is this bullshit, "the people"
14:52	asciilifeform	'Once there was The People—Terror gave it birth; Once there was The People and it made a Hell of Earth. Earth arose and crushed it. Listen, O ye slain! Once there was The People—it shall never be again!' - mr k
14:53	Naphex	so much bull from that peter schiff
14:53	Naphex	about legs
14:53	Naphex	and pulls
14:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07150001 = 0.5005 BTC [-]
14:54	mircea_popescu	yoiu don't understand the knowledge.
14:54	mircea_popescu	btw, what's anyone think of the new trilema header ?
14:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30392 @ 0.00085196 = 25.8928 BTC [-] {2}
14:55	Naphex	looks good
14:55	Naphex	staring down the crowd
14:56	Naphex	i wonder all the people who think you don't exist or are some anon troll, who do they think you place on the header pictures?:)
14:56	mircea_popescu	ken slaughter.
14:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.02128336 = 2.3412 BTC [+] {4}
14:56	mircea_popescu	alternatively, most of them can't read trilema because it is painful.
14:59	mike_c	trilema cookie bug? I re-cookied, I can read articles, but homepage keeps giving me paywall. credits are showing correctly in top right.
14:59	mircea_popescu	mike_c, possibly, will examine.
14:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665766 BTC [-]
15:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.1950481 = 0.3901 BTC [-]
15:01	mike_c	i like the new pic btw. the greenery is nice.
15:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.195048 BTC [-]
15:02	mircea_popescu	a ty
15:03	Naphex	so.. if the difficulty adjusts itself to do sha256 for 10 minutes, isn't bitcoin backed by TIME?
15:03	Naphex	*woah*
15:03	Apocalyptic	*mind blown*
15:03	Naphex	someone should give that to the presses to annoy all silver/gold/money bugs
15:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.194 BTC [-]
15:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19850168 = 1.191 BTC [+] {2}
15:05	Naphex	so yeah maybe proof of work is the future future
15:05	Naphex	how else can you pack 10 minutes of yard work
15:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19383404 = 0.3877 BTC [-] {2}
15:07	mircea_popescu	yes.
15:07	mircea_popescu	and time conquers all.
15:08	Naphex	nothing else more valuable
15:09	danielpbarron	14:54:18 <+mircea_popescu> btw, what's anyone think of the new trilema header ? << i kinda miss the monopoly one, even though all the later ones have looked better an an aesthetic sense
15:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00085801 = 7.1532 BTC [+] {2}
15:11	mircea_popescu	they're in a rotation, it'll come back eventually.
15:14	mircea_popescu	!up phlurker
15:22	los_pantalones	mircea_popescu how about this one?
15:22	los_pantalones	http://thebillfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/scrooge_mcduck_math.jpg
15:22	los_pantalones	for a banner
15:23	mircea_popescu	a) it myust be 1024 wide ; b) i don't own the copyright
15:23	los_pantalones	oh damn your practical objections!
15:25	mircea_popescu	LOL
15:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0728399 = 0.2185 BTC [+]
15:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665809 BTC [+]
15:30	Naphex	i have a question, why is XRP volume so high
15:30	Naphex	specifically for Justcoin for example
15:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665852 BTC [+]
15:30	Naphex	http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/
15:30	assbot	Bitcoin Charts / Markets
15:31	fluffypony	Naphex: dumpers gotta dump?
15:31	Naphex	no it was high before as well
15:32	mike_c	24h volume is 16 btc, is that high?
15:32	mike_c	<< knows little about ripple
15:32	Naphex	mike_c: their BTCEUR volume is 12
15:32	Naphex	and its consistently higher then BTCEUR
15:32	mircea_popescu	mike_c, fixed ?
15:33	mike_c	mircea_popescu: fixed.
15:33	Naphex	i don't care about ripple, but kept noticing it and wondered if they pump the volume on exchanges that accept XRP or what
15:33	Naphex	i don't see much interest in xrp anyway and all the news i bet didn't help
15:37	*	mircea_popescu reloads http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ for the 5th time today
15:37	assbot	F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
15:38	mircea_popescu	TomServo: wasn't there a wife too? << yeah lol. she wanted me to not condescend her.
15:39	mircea_popescu	princessnell: i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all. << by george, nell got it exactly.
15:39	mircea_popescu	more consumers is pretty much the least needed thing, above more plastic containers even.
15:41	mircea_popescu	pankkake, https://unsee.cc/mabozise/ <<< hyou know this looks like a twink do you ?
15:41	assbot	Unsee — Free online private photo sharing
15:42	pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang) lol
15:42	assbot	Twink (gay slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
15:43	pankkake	when shaved I have a tendency to attract the gay. hard fail on "little or no body hair, and no facial hair"
15:43	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, "Maybe Goldman Sachs execs will be unemployed and busy holding an Occupy Bitcoin protest outside Andreas Tower."
15:43	mircea_popescu	dude it must be crazy to live in there.
15:43	fluffypony	lol
15:43	mircea_popescu	you;ve given my crew indigestion.
15:44	fluffypony	Andreas Tower is going to be awesome
15:44	mircea_popescu	"derp. o god i can't read those comments." etc
15:45	fluffypony	right next to the Tsukino Usagi Center For Kids Who Can'T Backup Good And Want To Learn To Do Other Things Good Too
15:45	Apocalyptic	haha
15:45	mircea_popescu	"Seriously? You should have taken those bastards to court. They have no jurisdiction. All you have done is pave the way for them to blackmail others in the future. I hope you're proud of yourself."
15:45	mircea_popescu	apparently not even reddit takes kindly to erik these days.
15:46	Naphex	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ba-3-9.jpg holy mother!
15:47	fluffypony	I don't get it
15:47	mircea_popescu	ayup
15:47	Naphex	Romanian Christmas lights
15:47	Naphex	in Argentina
15:47	fluffypony	ah ok
15:48	Naphex	truly a wonder
15:48	mircea_popescu	Naphex, romania had major ties to argentina, going all the way back to peron's days.
15:48	asciilifeform	la casa del transformador!
15:48	mircea_popescu	to this day you can see logan on the streets here (tho the renault assholes are branding it aqs renault not dacia)
15:48	mircea_popescu	and most of their oil drilling eq is ro made.
15:48	*	asciilifeform moves to ar, opens an 'Umformerschwitz'
15:48	mircea_popescu	:D
15:49	mircea_popescu	many regulars got their little offering in that article.
15:50	pankkake	hm, penguirker is too dumb and speaks before it can
15:50	pankkake	http://trilema.com/2014/we-continue-our-foray-into-distant-lands/
15:50	assbot	We continue our foray into distant lands pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:50	mircea_popescu	well he's yoiung
15:51	fluffypony	so mircea_popescu
15:51	fluffypony	"This is a steak, and I’m etting it."
15:51	fluffypony	is that like Instagramming it?
15:52	fluffypony	:-P
15:52	pankkake	why can't we send steaks over the internet yet?
15:52	mircea_popescu	too late, it's already etted.
15:52	fluffypony	pankkake: you can, you just need Proof of Steak
15:52	mircea_popescu	but you have nfi what steaks are.
15:52	mircea_popescu	until you argentina.
15:52	asciilifeform	tiny motorcycles. what's petrol cost over there ?
15:52	mircea_popescu	somehow people think pork is tender than beef.
15:53	mircea_popescu	THEY ARE WORNGK
15:53	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, exactly the same as in the us, remarkably.
15:53	asciilifeform	what about mains? kw/h
15:54	mircea_popescu	argentina is a country with twice the population and three times the gdp of romania.
15:54	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, that's quite complex because of the multi layered social support systems htey use
15:56	mircea_popescu	it also varies a lot by where in the country.
15:56	mircea_popescu	commercial power from what i understand is about 4cents/kwh or so
15:57	asciilifeform	about 10c here
15:58	asciilifeform	(in practice, more, after various 'fees')
15:59	mircea_popescu	jurov: let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers << you're trying to go back in time to 1995 so that you can work hard for 20 years, save a nd buy many bitcoin pizzas in 2010 ?
16:01	mircea_popescu	atcbot:
16:01	mircea_popescu	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 768307.81 in 858 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 329.60
16:01	mircea_popescu	holky shit batman
16:02	mircea_popescu	didn't it just drop 60% ? what is this, stop and go miniung ?
16:02	asciilifeform	TaT blew a fuse?
16:02	mike_c	yup. pool hoppers pump up the diff, then leave, then come back when the diff drops again.
16:03	BingoBoingo	http://valleywag.gawker.com/beta-testing-clinkles-new-app-sounds-like-a-nightmare-1583452909/+sarah-hedgecock
16:03	assbot	Beta-Testing Clinkle's New App Sounds Like a Nightmare
16:03	mircea_popescu	assbot: The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes << a good title for once.
16:03	BingoBoingo	%book
16:03	atcbot	3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 46k@141 25k@141 100k@140
16:04	mircea_popescu	mike_c, ah, this is actually +ev because it allows them to select when to mine huh
16:04	mircea_popescu	the max 400% increase rule suddenly is very smart.
16:05	mircea_popescu	this behaviour should actually make atc trading very productive
16:05	mircea_popescu	up until miners buckle down and submit.
16:06	BingoBoingo	OMG Mircea spilled the sekrits
16:06	mircea_popescu	ow sheit.
16:06	mircea_popescu	pls to not read loges everyone.
16:08	BingoBoingo	Now everyone is going to give shitcoins max increase rools and long adjustment times.
16:08	mircea_popescu	a woe is me.
16:09	Naphex	what is it with this youngin hackers. hacker got customer account, couldn't unlock it to send funds. decided to email support
16:09	Naphex	in russian
16:09	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today. << whay not.
16:09	Naphex	to manually approve it
16:09	BingoBoingo	PC1 will have to resort to selling Doge pelts to the chinese
16:09	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Because they didn't make it explicit
16:09	BingoBoingo	%ticker
16:09	mircea_popescu	i dont tihnk they're allowed to.
16:09	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 141 Ask: 170 Last Price: 141 24h-Vol: 203k High: 143 Low: 141 VWAP: 141
16:10	mircea_popescu	(this is arcana, but from what i understand no agency with enforcing capacity is allowed to mention specifically any company outside of the context of bringing charges)
16:10	mircea_popescu	can't go "do it like x"
16:11	mircea_popescu	can only go "don't do y like x did"
16:12	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: that is my new favourite quote << it's pretty acurate. the guy should be here, invite him.
16:13	fluffypony	;;later tell bitstein why isn't Daniel Krawisz on IRC? get him here!
16:13	gribble	The operation succeeded.
16:16	mircea_popescu	moiety: ok i'll try and work it in << lol don't let these goons talk you into absolutely anything. you're a nice girl, but they need their spanking
16:17	asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/zrmHTMR,OzgNDNH#0
16:17	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
16:17	asciilifeform	^ 'sola' is here
16:17	asciilifeform	loud little bugger
16:18	asciilifeform	perhaps he'll be a little less obnoxious when he gets new fans.
16:18	mike_c	seems big for 8 amps
16:18	asciilifeform	about the size of a breadbox.
16:18	asciilifeform	fits on a book shelf.
16:19	mike_c	ah. need to put a quarter on it :)
16:19	mike_c	looked bigger to me.
16:19	asciilifeform	same
16:19	asciilifeform	i was expecting something more like a 2 drawer filing cabinet
16:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.0008587 = 46.0263 BTC [+]
16:29	mircea_popescu	assbot:
16:29	mircea_popescu	[ANN] [NAUT] Nautiluscoin - First Coin w/Stabilization Fund - Digishield << lawl.
16:30	mircea_popescu	i suppose P1 hasn't happened yet.
16:30	fluffypony	such stablefund
16:31	mircea_popescu	http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/other/confirmed-case-in-texas.htm
16:31	assbot	CDC - Confirmed vCJD Case in Texas - Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD)
16:31	Mats_cd03	14:26 <•pankkake> can you tell koreans apart?
16:32	Apocalyptic	mircea, interesting
16:32	mircea_popescu	jurov: tinkerers and people who know how to do things right are such incredibly disjoint groups << word.
16:32	mircea_popescu	!up alex_c
16:32	Apocalyptic	there was this "maladie de la vache folle" hype in french media a couple of years back
16:33	mircea_popescu	i reclal
16:33	mircea_popescu	is la vache qui rit still a brand btw ?
16:33	Apocalyptic	hehe, it is
16:34	mircea_popescu	was [pretty lulzy at the height of the mad cow scare
16:34	mircea_popescu	i'd give people triangles of french velveeta
16:34	mircea_popescu	with a laughing cow on it
16:35	Mats_cd03	yes. the men wear tight pants
16:36	mircea_popescu	mike_c: it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling << it is.
16:36	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:36	mircea_popescu	soon it will start controlloing the price of electricity.
16:37	chetty	Last of the original Navajo Code Talkers, Chester Nez, died today at 93
16:37	mircea_popescu	zee germanz never actually managed to figure out navajo did they
16:39	mircea_popescu	dub: similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation << seems credible. some sort of fetishism.
16:40	asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/Vqj7yuX
16:40	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
16:41	mircea_popescu	http://mivoltma.444.hu/assets/sites/23/2014/05/kuczynskigif1-animated.gif << excellent rendition. ty jurov
16:41	asciilifeform	^ first saw that one on orlov's page. i think he's friends with the artist.
16:42	mircea_popescu	infinite hitpoints, as a property of the environment not of the idiots.
16:42	mircea_popescu	seems intuitively correct.
16:46	Naphex	omg, this scammer even contacted acount owner
16:46	Naphex	to try to get him to approve withdrawal
16:46	Naphex	telling him he works for Btcxchange
16:48	BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/06/open-defecation-solves-the-child-mortality-puzzle-among-indian-muslims/
16:48	assbot	Open defecation solves the child mortality puzzle among Indian Muslims | Ars Technica
16:51	princessnell	!up Daniel_Krawisz
16:51	Daniel_Krawisz	Hello.
16:51	Daniel_Krawisz	I heard someone was asking about me.
16:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0716 = 0.358 BTC [-]
16:51	princessnell	fluffypony & mircea_popescu here's your man
16:53	Daniel_Krawisz	Do we do any role playing in here?
16:54	Naphex	lol russian hacker even subscribed customer youtube account to https://www.youtube.com/user/CrazyRussianHacker
16:54	assbot	CrazyRussianHacker - YouTube
16:54	Naphex	wtf :o
16:54	fluffypony	Daniel_Krawisz!
16:54	fluffypony	welcome
16:55	fluffypony	if your article on appcoins was an Instagram pic I would heart it or something
16:55	Daniel_Krawisz	Thanks!
16:55	Daniel_Krawisz	Are you a fan of My Little Pony?
16:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02052 = 0.1642 BTC [-]
16:57	BingoBoingo	Daniel_Krawisz: He's the resident deviant
16:58	mircea_popescu	Daniel_Krawisz, o, you the guy with the quote ?
16:58	mircea_popescu	!up p10tr
16:59	Daniel_Krawisz	I was the person quoted in the Forbes.com article on MaidSafeCoin if that's the quote you meant.
17:00	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#700661
17:00	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
17:00	mircea_popescu	seems so yeah. welcome
17:01	mircea_popescu	;;google the psychology of the bagholder
17:01	gribble	The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>; Martie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/03>; Current Market Psychology... : BitcoinMarkets - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1t25uo/current_market_psychology/>
17:01	mircea_popescu	pretty much the same concept.
17:01	Daniel_Krawisz	Thanks, I loved your thingy about the critical theory doctorates who had to clean the bus with their tits. It reminded me of Rabelais.
17:02	mircea_popescu	ha! well im flattered.
17:02	mircea_popescu	of all the people one can remind of...
17:03	fluffypony	Daniel_Krawisz: I'm not a MLP fan at all, I just got given this nick years and years ago and it stuck
17:03	Daniel_Krawisz	If I see text in red, does that mean only I can see it?
17:03	mircea_popescu	no it means you were named in it
17:04	Daniel_Krawisz	Oh ok.
17:04	mircea_popescu	most clients can be configured to also ding when that happens
17:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-]
17:05	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot Daniel_Krawisz
17:05	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Daniel_Krawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Daniel_Krawisz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Daniel_Krawisz | Rated since: never
17:05	mircea_popescu	;;rate Daniel_Krawisz 1 I remind him of Gargantua.
17:05	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
17:05	mircea_popescu	tsk.
17:05	mircea_popescu	gotta make one of those, then you can auto voice yourself.
17:06	Daniel_Krawisz	How do I get in the GPG database?
17:07	BingoBoingo	;;google bitcoin-otc wiki registration guide
17:07	gribble	Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>; GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication>
17:08	Daniel_Krawisz	Ok, thanks.
17:11	mircea_popescu	Daniel_Krawisz, also, the entire length of endless discussion to date is to be found in
17:11	mircea_popescu	;;topic
17:11	gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
17:11	mircea_popescu	the log one.
17:13	BingoBoingo	http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/Webpage_Auction_Monroe14_1492A.htm
17:13	assbot	Illinois Land For Sale Farmland Cropland Hunting
17:13	Daniel_Krawisz	Oh ok.
17:13	BingoBoingo	PUBLIC AUCTION - FORMER NIKE MISSILE LAUNCH SITE
17:13	fluffypony	nike missiles???
17:14	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: It was a 1950's and 60's concept where incoming bombers would be brought down by short range nuclear missiles
17:14	fluffypony	ah, got excited about Nike's diversification program there for a moment
17:15	BingoBoingo	"The 14-acre site includes 3 underground concrete bunkers, each approximately 68’ x 76’ and 18’ deep with 10’10”+- ceiling clearance. The 3 bunkers have 9’6” x 53'8” elevator pads which are operational."
17:16	BingoBoingo	Bunker: http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/DSC02476-w800-h600.jpg
17:17	BingoBoingo	Moar Bunker, with elevator loaded http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/IMG_3631-w800-h600.jpg
17:17	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo, entirely worthless in the us tho.
17:17	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sadly so.
17:18	BingoBoingo	!up paxtoncamaro91
17:18	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Still, would be a nice "workshop" setup if the location was better
17:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19300043 BTC [-]
17:21	BingoBoingo	Large underground workspace with elevator apparatus capable of lifing vehicles, the industrial uses are endless
17:21	mircea_popescu	in an actual country.
17:21	mircea_popescu	in the us, the uses are inexistent.
17:22	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize. << wow that's an unexpected point.
17:23	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. << pretty much. a dangerous gambit, of course, as the world also goes about its business scarcely taking notice of their efforts.
17:23	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Also to the CoinDesks, it is the only one.
17:25	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice << yeah, funny how that worked huh.
17:27	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: mp tells the sec to get stuffed, they shrug and then do exactly that << what did you expect'd happen ? a bureaucrat is perhaps the finest detector of who has the bigger stick in existence.
17:28	fluffypony	this made me cry with laughter - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27apui/why_i_will_store_on_coinbase/
17:28	fluffypony	"I know most of you scoff at the idea of storing BTC on Coinbase, but I am not nearly as technologically inclined as most of you. Each storage suggestion I read looks to me like this:
17:28	fluffypony	1. Download armory and Electrum and run armory from an offline underground bunker.
17:28	fluffypony	2. double encrypt using Eorepadaeuium with 4 USB drives running Linux UEc.3f3.c2q1
17:28	fluffypony	3. backup with Efekjwsf and wefkjlfe + qt and create a public key, private key, and semi-private key.
17:28	fluffypony	4. print private key and public key, but not semi-private key. Laminate printed copies and store in a vault along with 3 of the 4 USB drives. But be sure not to run EFkjlwef foeropwerk.
17:28	fluffypony	5. Use a submarine to bury the vault in the ocean.
17:28	fluffypony	6. A hacker who is %1000 times smarter than you is watching your every move and will steal all your bitcoin if you slip up.
17:28	fluffypony	More near computer illiterate people like be are going to be buying BTC, and Coinbase seems like the safer and simpler option."
17:29	mircea_popescu	these argentines are a muy festive people.
17:29	mircea_popescu	fluffypony, i guess you just explained xapo's vp for asciilifeform too.
17:29	Naphex	probably needed
17:29	Naphex	to keep up morale
17:30	mircea_popescu	Naphex, either that or just incredibly lazy.
17:30	mircea_popescu	anyway, there's a mega band thing with drums and butt shakings marching down the street
17:30	mircea_popescu	as every other fucking day
17:30	mircea_popescu	you'd think you're in france with much better women.
17:32	Naphex	so what language are you speaking over there though?
17:32	Naphex	locals know english?
17:32	Naphex	https://i.imgur.com/BGN3YOD.gif
17:32	mircea_popescu	im fluent in spanish
17:34	mircea_popescu	lol great gif
17:35	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#701006 <<< ahahaha the great spammor.
17:35	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
17:35	mircea_popescu	o such lulz that wikipedia is.
17:35	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 109 @ 0.00208906 = 0.2277 BTC [+]
17:37	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint. << i thought i had a bad reputation.
17:38	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: We're going off of actual actions and not Jimmothy and CiuCiu retellings
17:38	mircea_popescu	whoa ciuciu
17:38	mircea_popescu	i wonder under what name he's back
17:39	BingoBoingo	That's the fifty cent question
17:39	mircea_popescu	i also wonder how long before i'll be the oldest guy in bitcoin, between people pulling the satoshi melt-in-mists trick on one hand and the 5years up to your room erik trick
17:40	mircea_popescu	Vexual:
17:40	mircea_popescu	usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold. << ahahaha SPLASHWISE!
17:40	mircea_popescu	that's gotta be a word now.
17:40	Naphex	depends on bitcoins growth
17:40	Naphex	really
17:41	Naphex	the question is, how long before you stop recognizing everyone
17:41	Naphex	and its just a sea of scams
17:41	Naphex	and scammers
17:41	Naphex	going in and out
17:41	Naphex	daily
17:42	mircea_popescu	that can't happen, i have a whole department working on it.
17:43	mircea_popescu	nao if only the sec would be making more definite steps towards halping
17:43	Naphex	:))
17:43	mircea_popescu	;;later tell Phinnaeus: I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse. << 2003 iirc.
17:43	gribble	The operation succeeded.
17:44	BingoBoingo	I thought settling with Erik over GLBSE shennanigans was helping, they have quite the backlog of stuff to catch up on... Gigavps, Thermos, et al..
17:45	mircea_popescu	mike_c: asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" << nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography.
17:45	mike_c	c'mon, you know ascii knows and just won't tell
17:45	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo, im not one to give last night's calves black eyes, but.... as you say, loing backlog.
17:47	BingoBoingo	I imagine a cycle stabilizing where MP shames securities scammer, SEC scoops them up months later.
17:47	BingoBoingo	Then in about 10 years the "community" notices this is a thing
17:47	Naphex	so why not turn that depratment and review into a service
17:47	Naphex	and do a bitsec
17:48	Naphex	after 1 year sell seals :))
17:48	Apocalyptic	"nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography." wait
17:48	Naphex	mpsec approved
17:48	Apocalyptic	is this the question "is the discrete logarithm problem as hard as the factorization problem" ?
17:49	Apocalyptic	cause if so it has been proved afaik
17:50	mircea_popescu	not exactly
17:50	mircea_popescu	Naphex, i don't really perceive the benefit.
17:50	Naphex	same thing only condensed
17:51	Naphex	maybe as an experiment, who knows the benefit
17:51	mircea_popescu	the problem with commodization is that it destroys quality.
17:51	Naphex	picking out the good from the bad should be a skill everyone has, but that ain't gonna happen
17:51	mike_c	Apocalyptic: there are also considerations around which curve you use. i believe certain curves are known to be weak.
17:51	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, how so ?
17:51	mircea_popescu	in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be
17:51	Naphex	well you compress it, and let people act based on a rating
17:51	Naphex	they can optimize but have errors
17:51	Apocalyptic	mike_c, indeed, i'm talking in curves over GF(p), with p prime
17:52	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, Eric Bach wrote a paper about this
17:52	Apocalyptic	Bach proves: 1) If you can compute log. modulo $N$, you can factor $N$ 2) If you can factor $N$ and compute logs modulo each factor, then you can compute logs. modulo $N$
17:52	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic, the question is more subtle than that. perhaps a better rendering would be "which of rsa, ec is more likely to have tiny pores we don't kjnow about"
17:52	mircea_popescu	such as a particularly easy to attack space etc.
17:52	Apocalyptic	but that's a different question
17:52	mircea_popescu	none of these considerations are wide berth issues such as bach's.
17:53	mircea_popescu	not that the result is unimportant, obv.
17:59	Naphex	mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work.
17:59	Naphex	enjoying the read
17:59	mike_c	thanks!
18:00	mircea_popescu	yeah guy is making some serious inroads in post-btc journalism
18:00	mircea_popescu	!up decima`
18:03	BingoBoingo	http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/theyre-trying-teen-adult-size-genitals/
18:03	assbot	Boy Sentenced To Jail Because of Large Penis
18:03	mircea_popescu	yay
18:04	Apocalyptic	<Naphex> mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work. // I concur
18:04	diametric	it boggles my mind xapo uses a 4 digit password.
18:04	diametric	it at least has 2FA for withdraw related activities
18:04	Apocalyptic	mircea, I see, my interpretation of "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" was different
18:05	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic, "in the general case" versus "in any practical case"
18:05	Apocalyptic	indeed
18:06	fluffypony	diametric: lolwut
18:06	fluffypony	"secure"
18:06	diametric	fluffypony: yeah. xapo authentication is your email + 4 digit "pin"
18:07	diametric	its 2014 ffs.
18:07	fluffypony	that seems needlessly retarded
18:08	mircea_popescu	2014 sounds like a great pin
18:08	diametric	the best of pins.
18:08	diametric	1234. 0000. 8008 is a classic as well.
18:09	mircea_popescu	;;google "you'll feel those needles and pins"
18:09	diametric	i wonder if they implement captcha or ip banning on multiple failed attempts
18:09	diametric	or can i bruteforce this with a python script.
18:09	mircea_popescu	easy enough to test
18:09	diametric	yep
18:11	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: pins & needles now << you are pushing your sacral vertebra into your pudendal nerve
18:11	Naphex	Apocalyptic: but isn't ECDH safe from shor's attack?
18:11	Naphex	from lets say quantum computers
18:11	Naphex	thats why you do ECDH to factorize instead of just EC
18:11	Apocalyptic	ECDH isn't of big interest for bitcoin
18:11	Naphex	must've missed th epoint
18:11	Apocalyptic	ECDH is just a protocol for key exchange
18:11	punkman	ECDSA is what btc uses, ECDH is another thing
18:11	Apocalyptic	ECDSA is what bitcoin relies on
18:11	punkman	oh there ;)
18:11	Naphex	yeah sorry vertical reading sometimes fails
18:11	gribble	CHER LYRICS - Needles And Pins - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/cher/needlesandpins.html>; SMOKIE LYRICS - Needles And Pins - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/smokie/needlesandpins.html>; Cher - Needles & Pins Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/needles-pins-lyrics-cher.html>
18:12	mircea_popescu	great way to become functionally identical to any woman.
18:14	Naphex	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6021/bitcoin-is-not-quantum-safe-and-how-we-can-fix/ <-
18:14	assbot	Bitcoin Is Not Quantum-Safe, And How We Can Fix It When Needed Bitcoin Magazine
18:14	Naphex	off to sleep gn o/
18:15	mircea_popescu	moiety: this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it << if the us weren't out of money, it would habve been.
18:15	mircea_popescu	fortunately bollywood couldn't care less about western nonsense
18:15	mircea_popescu	they got their own
18:15	punkman	slenderman series: https://www.youtube.com/user/MarbleHornets
18:15	assbot	MarbleHornets - YouTube
18:16	mike_c	but how do we fix bitcoin when the aliens come?
18:16	mircea_popescu	bitcoin does not practice safe sex and how to fix this pressing problem
18:17	mircea_popescu	it's also racist, privilegionist and anti-environmentalist.
18:17	mircea_popescu	how to fix these too.
18:17	mike_c	i think there's a t-shirt with the answer
18:17	mircea_popescu	bitcoin is not pouring me another drink
18:17	mircea_popescu	how t ofix this problem.
18:17	mike_c	call moiety
18:18	punkman	bitcoin whiskey atm
18:18	mircea_popescu	how slender would she have to be to pour me drinks from under scotland's green pine tree
18:19	fluffypony	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27bha5/i_did_a_worlds_first_hopefully/
18:19	assbot	I did a world's first! ...hopefully :) : Bitcoin
18:19	mircea_popescu	did he get laid ?
18:19	punkman	yeah for 0.2btc
18:20	mircea_popescu	jesus christ i nailed him.
18:20	mircea_popescu	how fucking hard was that.
18:20	punkman	that's a cheap hooker for amsterdam
18:20	mike_c	whoa, that could actually be a first
18:20	mike_c	including the part where he lost his virginity
18:20	mircea_popescu	"What took more time, the sex or the transaction?"
18:20	mircea_popescu	gotta love sa, they know their shit
18:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.1930326 = 0.7721 BTC [+] {2}
18:24	dub	'i don't know how I can prove I was a virgin' - posting on reddit, uh
18:24	fluffypony	lol
18:27	davout	paying for sex with bitcoin is ok as long as you're not done before the transaction has confirmed
18:27	punkman	;;tblb 3600
18:27	gribble	The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 13 minutes, and 54 seconds
18:28	dub	next, the first double spent virginity?
18:28	davout	the average human is the exact opposite of bitcoin
18:28	davout	has to wait at least 20 minutes before he can double spend
18:29	davout	i'll find my way to the door
18:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02513 = 0.1759 BTC [+]
18:30	dub	heh
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
18:33	dub	20 minutes is litecoin territory, theres at least 8 hours sleep between my blocks
18:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
18:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32190 @ 0.00086016 = 27.6886 BTC [+] {3}
18:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02513 = 0.2513 BTC [+]
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0245 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {3}
18:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 49 @ 0.0038 = 0.1862 BTC [-]
19:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
		~ 22 minutes ~
19:24	punkman	https://bitbook.ie/ is this new?
19:24	assbot	bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting
19:29	mike_c	css isn't as good as bitbet
19:29	punkman	https://bitbook.ie/make_bets/abf97e24-ded0-42bb-832d-669e275cfdc8#4498ba71-a61c-436b-be67-b3da4715069e this page is just awkward
19:29	assbot	bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting
19:30	davout	no fee = big red flag
19:30	punkman	davout, "It's too early to monetize, but when we do, it will probably be through ads or affiliate programs."
19:30	mike_c	uh
19:31	mike_c	oh, they mean they will be the affiliate for other people
19:31	davout	o so because affiliates
19:31	mike_c	in other words, ads.
19:31	davout	next
19:31	punkman	yeah because when you got a working gambling operation, you want to send people to other places
19:32	mike_c	maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate
19:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.00189152 = 0.2251 BTC [+] {4}
19:43	punkman	why is it that bitbet only does binary propositions?
19:43	punkman	tried the logs for previous discussion but couldn't locate
19:46	mike_c	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2013#396301
19:46	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
19:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007202 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}
19:53	punkman	so this bitbook guy is generating propositions automatically, and for some reason prefers to make N binary pools
19:53	punkman	seems retarded
19:54	mike_c	i wouldn't kill too many brain cells trying to figure it out.
19:55	punkman	how the fuck do you do parimutuel spread bets?
19:56	mike_c	same way.. just should be close to 50/50
19:56	mircea_popescu	<punkman> https://bitbook.ie/ is this new? << prolly npot.
19:56	assbot	bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting
19:57	mircea_popescu	<mike_c> maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate << worth a shot.
19:59	punkman	mircea_popescu: so what's the mindfuck with multi bets? I feel more mindfucked by trying to find N related bets
20:03	mircea_popescu	wait what ?
20:04	mircea_popescu	you'll have to give me moar context.
20:04	punkman	see mike_c link above
20:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20813118 = 0.8325 BTC [+] {2}
20:05	punkman	also a hypothetical, if you have a multibet and nobody bets on the winner, would the house take it?
20:05	mircea_popescu	seems you're illustrating it neh ?
20:06	mircea_popescu	calculating the odds becomes more complicated. also, "nobody" bets on a winner is impossible, bitbet seeds all bets.
20:06	mircea_popescu	but that aside, a parimutuel situatiuon where nobody bets on a possible outcome is not economically probable.
20:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
20:07	punkman	yeah I suppose it'd make sense to throw tiny amounts at all unlikely winners
20:07	mircea_popescu	n owinner is unlikely. i mean, is a bet that nets you 10kx your bet unlikely at 9900:1 odds ?
20:07	mircea_popescu	+ev is +ev.
20:10	mircea_popescu	but anyway : in principle multibets should be reducible to multiples of single pair bets.
20:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.02511 = 0.1507 BTC [-]
20:19	punkman	considering a 10-way or 30-way bet, that is sure more work for bitbet mods to seed correctly. So I guess we won't see multibets until there's just too many single bets covering the same events
20:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02540226 = 0.381 BTC [+] {3}
20:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1914 @ 0.00006496 = 0.1243 BTC [+] {10}
20:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high << actiually the entire "steal thje gold" 1930 thing was specifically and declaredly destined to "increase grai nprices"
20:21	mircea_popescu	even if through inflation.
20:21	mircea_popescu	punkman, why do you think it's harder to seed "correctly" ?
20:22	mircea_popescu	there's no corectness involved, bitbet doesn't make any effort whatsoever to split the seed correctly.
20:22	punkman	what you just flip a coin?
20:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086112 = 12.1418 BTC [+] {2}
20:26	punkman	but besides that, wouldn't it be more work to approve 30 single bets than 1 30-way bet?
20:28	mircea_popescu	how ?
20:29	mircea_popescu	i don't do it personally, and the mods just get to have fun. i hold no particular audit of their success. i guess some try to beat the game or w/e, i personally don't care, and that's where the incentive structure starts.
20:29	mircea_popescu	as long as management is concerned, seed bets just have to add up to .1
20:29	mircea_popescu	which is why they're seed bets. the idea is that the players will even it all out.
20:29	mircea_popescu	so far this idea has played out spectacularly well.
20:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 66 @ 0.0254999 = 1.683 BTC [+]
20:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20811233 = 0.8324 BTC [-] {2}
20:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02052032 = 0.1436 BTC [-] {7}
20:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47242 @ 0.0008587 = 40.5667 BTC [-] {2}
20:33	mircea_popescu	dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW << dub is such a bland kowtow character
20:33	mircea_popescu	i think when we finally enact the new world order we make him chairman of the fed.
20:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20823162 = 0.8329 BTC [+] {3}
20:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.20919621 = 3.9747 BTC [+] {5}
20:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.21315383 = 2.771 BTC [+] {3}
20:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.219 = 2.628 BTC [+]
20:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0738483 = 0.8862 BTC [+]
20:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.219 BTC [+]
20:47	punkman	http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/06/want_to_buy_a_jail_never_used.html
20:47	assbot	Want to buy a jail, never used? Submit your proposal for Portland’s Wapato by June 4 | OregonLive.com
20:49	mircea_popescu	http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/04/0059245/man-who-issued-securities-for-bitcoins-settles-with-sec << o look bingo made slashdot again
20:49	assbot	Man Who Issued Securities For Bitcoins Settles With SEC - Slashdot
20:57	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: This time though /. did that thing where they traded actual links for abc new
20:57	BingoBoingo	s
20:57	mircea_popescu	ya well.
20:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26844 @ 0.00086133 = 23.1215 BTC [+] {2}
20:57	mircea_popescu	(hanbot was "WTF WHERE DO THEY GET OFF")
20:57	mircea_popescu	so i guess htey made at least one friend with the process.
21:01	benkay	wait am i reading the logs correctly? voorhees is only in trouble over the off-mpex 'ipo'?
21:01	asciilifeform	two things about this story puzzle me (confession: i never gave enough of a damn to keep track in real time...) - why nothing about satoshidice? only sued for a small part of the spam op profit and: why vorhees ponied up
21:02	asciilifeform	third, why did vorhees, having profited handsomely from sd, have to take to spam?
21:02	benkay	<mircea_popescu> in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be // incidentally, this is why i love consulting. customers are typically n=1 where n trusts me and my boys to deliver - which we do. in spades.
21:02	BingoBoingo	benkay: That is correct
21:02	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That spam thing well preceeded S.DICE
21:02	mircea_popescu	benkay, yea
21:03	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, he had enough sense to listen to me when i told him how to do the buy back.
21:03	mircea_popescu	in general that ensures survival at a minimum.
21:04	benkay	huh well this makes me happy
21:04	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0QNFWDJ.txt )
21:04	BingoBoingo	!b 3
21:04	benkay	perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered
21:04	asciilifeform	afaik everybody expected gasenwagen for vorhees, at least
21:04	asciilifeform	for 'illegals casino'
21:04	mircea_popescu	and as to why he ponied up, probably bcause it's a laughably small sum, it gives the sec something it already had (i doubt any us citizen can sanely argue that th eauthority of the us govt and its agencies doesn't extend to him)
21:05	BingoBoingo	Well, he basically avoided the gasenwagen by buying them a BMW
21:05	asciilifeform	peculiarly cheap ransom
21:05	mircea_popescu	and closes his past (at the dubious cost of his next five years)
21:05	benkay	next five years how?
21:05	mircea_popescu	but i doubt he had much of a future as an issuer anyway, at least on the short term
21:05	mircea_popescu	benkay, well because if he does an ipo now he'd be roughly in the situaiton of karpeles
21:06	mircea_popescu	ie, "but you've signed here that you won't do this thing you're doing"
21:07	*	asciilifeform in the gasenwagen will offer to buy inquisitor a trabant
21:07	mircea_popescu	lol
21:08	mircea_popescu	<benkay> perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered << where'd you gather that ? reddit ?
21:08	mircea_popescu	the problem isn't the us being inimical to btc. the problem is btc being inimical to the us.
21:08	mircea_popescu	this is like that case of a three year old that';s so far smarter and better than you that your only hope as a father is to slave and serve it on your knees
21:09	mircea_popescu	my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really.
21:09	mircea_popescu	it's just a hard thing to grasp this, that the thing can't even walk and yet it's a dragon, which you aren't, will never be etc.
21:12	benkay	there are worse dragons to slave for.
21:12	benkay	<mircea_popescu> my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really. // i'd love to hear this story sometime.
21:13	mircea_popescu	lol maybe the guy writes it sometime.
21:14	mircea_popescu	course these days people tend to make the converse mistake in their personal life
21:14	mircea_popescu	most kids aren't worth the hassle people put into them by a long shot.
21:14	benkay	"but if we just put the effort in, the kid will be!"
21:14	benkay	i'll be lucky if one of mine is qualified to and interested in taking on any position in my shop.
21:15	benkay	and i'll be not displeased with my work if they accept that they'll need to start at the bottom to boot.
21:15	mircea_popescu	right.
21:15	Mats_cd03	lol
21:17	mircea_popescu	curious if you'll manage to get that past the missus, at any rate.
21:18	benkay	lady v, re starting as js-sweepers: "i'm sure."
21:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18692 @ 0.00085878 = 16.0523 BTC [-] {2}
21:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00086166 = 24.3419 BTC [+]
21:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7563 @ 0.0008587 = 6.4943 BTC [-]
21:45	mircea_popescu	not now. later.
21:46	mircea_popescu	Subject: Bitcoin Match Fixing and the NBA Playoffs
21:46	mircea_popescu	From: "Bitcoin Betting Guide" <info@bitcoin-betting-guide.com>
21:46	mircea_popescu	such needed much helpful.
21:46	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
21:46	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 644.61, Best ask: 645.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 644.61, 24 hour volume: 13320.94152466, 24 hour low: 621.86, 24 hour high: 654.9, 24 hour vwap: 641.286188847
21:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02791009 = 0.2791 BTC [-] {2}
21:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738482 = 0.2215 BTC [-]
21:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00197 = 0.1793 BTC [+]
22:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 97 @ 0.23595586 = 22.8877 BTC [+] {15}
22:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.249 = 0.747 BTC [+]
22:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0019989 = 0.1999 BTC [+]
22:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2973 @ 0.00085847 = 2.5522 BTC [-] {2}
22:21	BingoBoingo	%book
22:21	atcbot	2k@219 100k@205 10k@200 | 24k@141 34k@140 250k@140
22:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.0019989 = 0.1179 BTC [+]
22:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052032 = 0.1026 BTC [+] {5}
22:32	mike_c	%diff
22:32	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 715369.85 in 2016 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: 0.00
22:32	mike_c	party's over
22:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738483 = 0.2215 BTC [+]
22:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.00200172 = 0.2702 BTC [+] {3}
22:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0020669 = 0.1447 BTC [+]
22:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.0020669 = 0.1467 BTC [+]
22:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00208784 = 0.2088 BTC [+] {4}
22:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0021 = 0.1071 BTC [+]
22:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.0021 = 0.3129 BTC [+]
22:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00086178 = 10.2242 BTC [+]
22:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999984 = 0.15 BTC [+]
		~ 18 minutes ~
23:12	TomServo	http://bitbet.us/bet/715/the-chicago-blackhawks-will-win-the-2014-stanley/
23:12	assbot	BitBet - The Chicago Blackhawks will win the 2014 Stanley Cup :: 0.06 B (33%) on Yes, 0.12 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 days 20 hours | weight: 1`965 (100`000 to 1)
23:12	TomServo	That should probably be resolved.
23:25	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
23:26	BingoBoingo	;;later tell Vexual What were you wondering about it?
23:26	gribble	The operation succeeded.
23:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11846 @ 0.00086178 = 10.2086 BTC [+]
23:36	BingoBoingo	!up vex
23:36	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
23:39	BingoBoingo	http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-planning-to-rub-up-against-strangers-wondering,36182/
23:39	assbot	Man Planning To Rub Up Against Strangers Wondering Where Train Is Already | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
23:41	BingoBoingo	%book
23:41	atcbot	100k@205 75k@202 10k@200 | 24k@141 34k@140 250k@140
23:50	BingoBoingo	;;google two chainz rap
23:50	gribble	2 Chainz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Chainz>; 2 Chainz | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/artists/2-chainz>; 2 Chainz – Birthday Song Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/2-chainz-birthday-song-lyrics>
23:51	BingoBoingo	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2QKlmMT8II
23:51	assbot	2 Chainz - I'm Different (Explicit) - YouTube
23:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0254999 = 0.204 BTC [+]
23:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086178 = 8.1869 BTC [+]
23:55	Vexual	%diff
23:55	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 715369.85 in 2016 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: 0.00

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