00:00 |
nubbins` |
not tobacco |
00:00 |
nubbins` |
tell ya what, let's meet halfway and i'll just find an actual chair |
00:00 |
nubbins` |
and skip the ER |
00:01 |
BingoBoingo |
nubbins`: You may forget, but I recently had a run in with testicular injury and scrotal illness... Stay in a fucking real chair. |
00:01 |
Vexual |
i bet you can eat a fuckton of bad ass cookies b4 you call the hospital nubbins` |
00:01 |
nubbins` |
ah, that's right |
00:02 |
nubbins` |
advice noted and appreciated |
00:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Area is vascular enough any part that has problem has big problems fast... within hours |
00:02 |
Vexual |
and if you do try to call the hospital,your phone isnt a phone |
00:03 |
nubbins` |
hospital on drugs, no fun |
00:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Right, because they won't give you painkillers if you need them for some reason |
00:03 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1XRKPND.txt ) |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
!b 3 |
00:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02125 = 0.255 BTC [-] |
00:05 |
asciilifeform |
!up Vexual |
00:08 |
Vexual |
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gi0OEOl84y |
00:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02125 = 0.17 BTC [-] |
00:16 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
00:16 |
gribble |
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00:16 |
BingoBoingo |
;;more |
00:17 |
gribble |
634.617468764 |
00:17 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
00:17 |
atcbot |
60k@205 40k@205 0k@200 | 40k@141 79k@141 25k@141 |
00:19 |
BingoBoingo |
So... it appears the Erik story is in the /. cue |
00:19 |
moiety |
this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it |
00:20 |
moiety |
*grumble* |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
slenderman? |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
movie hero? fits through cracks, crevices? |
00:21 |
moiety |
there is 2 x 12 year olds who planned to kill their friend for months, blaming it on slenderman being real |
00:21 |
moiety |
i'm not actually sure, article just says he can make tendrils with is fingers and back |
00:21 |
moiety |
i think its a game though |
00:22 |
* |
asciilifeform is rather behind culturally, never heard of this |
00:22 |
Vexual |
ask pankakke |
00:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Slenderman is one of those mythical stories invented on SA/b/reddit not really worth reading. |
00:23 |
moiety |
asciilifeform: http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/waukesha-police-2-12-year-old-girls-plotted-for-months-to-kill-friend-b99282655z1-261534171.html |
00:23 |
assbot |
Charges detail Waukesha pre-teens' attempt to kill classmate |
00:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Slenderman is basically a novelization of Usagi's nightmares about MP |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
'...was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both' << interesting |
00:24 |
moiety |
oh so it wasn't originally a game. |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
how does court decide how many/each. |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
what if 0/19 |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
or 19/0 |
00:24 |
BingoBoingo |
moiety: It was a story |
00:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Basically whitekid fear experience after first seeing not famous NBA players in person |
00:25 |
moiety |
lol it was actually all the birthday girl asciilifeform she has told police she thought her friend had already begun [which makes no sense considering the friend had told her she was too squeamish by this point] |
00:26 |
moiety |
which is how she got back to being the one with the blade |
00:27 |
BingoBoingo |
What I want to know is why the Biology teacher isn't being charged with neglegence |
00:27 |
BingoBoingo |
19 penetrations and a survivor |
00:27 |
moiety |
hahaha that crossed my mind too BB. after all the prep they didn't think to check where to stab |
00:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-] |
00:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00085755 = 27.9561 BTC [-] {2} |
00:28 |
moiety |
kinda half assed, aye that'll do + walk away thing too |
00:28 |
Vexual |
aye |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
children of reddit, can't even be arsed to stab properly |
00:29 |
moiety |
they are too busy being hip |
00:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Also, stabbing is the problem. Slashing offer a better chance at exsanguination, unless perpetrator is a surgeon. |
00:29 |
moiety |
these wee chicks have nothing ont he wee girls from last year though, well the one that stabbed her sister |
00:29 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders if the cops will make the gurlz play 'prisoner's dilemma' if it cannot be proven which one stabbed |
00:29 |
moiety |
on the* |
00:30 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I doubt the cops are aware of that game |
00:30 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps not under that name |
00:30 |
BingoBoingo |
"Wisconsin can have problems too" |
00:31 |
Vexual |
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuGhwabBzcU |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
more interesting (linked from above) - http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/hundreds-of-zombie-homes-plague-milwaukee-neighborhoods-b99276701z1-260613161.html |
00:31 |
assbot |
Hundreds of zombie homes plague Milwaukee neighborhoods |
00:32 |
asciilifeform |
^ the feigned puzzlement of the quoted officials is riotously funny |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
'Both Dahlberg and Barrett say they don't understand why banks allow the problem to proliferate. As they see it, it's in the bank's best interests to rid itself of the property.' |
00:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999889 = 0.16 BTC [+] |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
<< mega-lol. the 'zombies' rot so that prices can stay put. |
00:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Wiscunts have this delusion where they imagine they are to Chicago what the Hamptons are to New York |
00:35 |
BingoBoingo |
In reality neither Chicago nor Wiconson have hooks in the bezzel to support such delusions |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
unwritten u.s. law - no house anywhere near a city, with working plumbing, not in 'live fire zone', etc. will be sold for 'pocket money' to a human (i.e. sans mortgage chumpatron) |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
the bezzlers would much rather let the copper thieves pick it clean. |
00:36 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: In StL brick theives have priority. They make the judgement on the property's fate and in very Missouri way the vacant land gets corn in the name of "urban agriculture" |
00:36 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
00:37 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/a-farm-in-the-city-of-st-louis-some-neighbors/article_41320fe2-66af-50a0-81da-cd47b9366895.html |
00:37 |
assbot |
A farm? In the city of St. Louis? Some neighbors aren't happy : Business |
00:37 |
asciilifeform |
for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high |
00:38 |
asciilifeform |
at least stalin, in his engineered famines, sold his abroad to buy cannon |
00:38 |
asciilifeform |
vs. burning |
00:38 |
Vexual |
that look slike mps old place |
00:38 |
kakobrekla |
mornin |
00:39 |
BingoBoingo |
mornin kakobrekla |
00:39 |
Vexual |
don't get much for your money in the old usa tho |
00:39 |
Vexual |
hey kako |
00:39 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: In the interim USA discovered corn can be parted into oil for plastics and sugar for falsifying food |
00:40 |
Vexual |
sugar is food |
00:40 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: mp on the subject - http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing |
00:40 |
assbot |
The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
00:40 |
moiety |
mewning kakobrekla :] |
00:40 |
Vexual |
you repurposing the word nutrient ? |
00:40 |
kakobrekla |
i see it was a busy night, me hops the logs. |
00:41 |
kakobrekla |
dammit. , should be new line. |
00:41 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: That one was resonant, because I live near ground zero |
00:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Monsanto and Urban Corn share a home for a reason |
00:41 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: point being, a liveable house, as popularly imagined in usa, will never cost what laptop, or even car, costs - if the authorities have to burn 99% of them to maintain this condition, they will. |
00:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07999889 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2} |
00:42 |
moiety |
schools have started suing mosanto all over the place now too |
00:43 |
moiety |
see this corn woman though, it's like she just woke up to this 8 ft high cornwall around her home. how long does it take to grow even?! |
00:43 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: In the right locals government need not do burning, merely look the other way. Market does the burning http://preservationresearch.com/news-2/brick-theft-in-north-st-louis-a-preservation-crisis/ |
00:43 |
assbot |
Brick Theft in North St. Louis: A Preservation Crisis | Preservation Research Office |
00:43 |
BingoBoingo |
moiety: Gorws surprisingly fast. |
00:43 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/us/20brick.html |
00:43 |
assbot |
Thieves Cart Off St. Louis Bricks - NYTimes.com |
00:43 |
asciilifeform |
if the locals wake up to the idea of squatting peacefully in the houses instead of tearing them apart, the 'owners' will order the burning. |
00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-plan-to-stop-the-brick-by-brick-demolition-of/article_3f3265cf-9df9-5120-a62e-650f49b594e4.html |
00:44 |
assbot |
A plan to stop the brick-by-brick demolition of the city : News |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
the actual 'free market' price of a u.s. suburban house, if none of this were happening, is probably close to $10k (number pulled from my arse) |
00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Around here there are livable houses near $40k in decent towns |
00:45 |
Vexual |
ill think youll find the free market price is what it sells for |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual: see the supply cartel discussion above |
00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
In StL proper you find Sub $5k houses without buyers, because Oh noes, negros! |
00:46 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: only answer is, nothing within driving distance employs folks who could afford the land tax. |
00:47 |
asciilifeform |
otherwise someone - negro, martian, whoever - would live there. |
00:47 |
* |
BingoBoingo has a brother renting a house he could buy with a year's rent. He doesn't buy because of the burden of unloading it later |
00:47 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: That is the flip side of the problem |
00:47 |
dub |
this is clearly why minimum wage is an evil communist plot |
00:47 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i pay roughly 2x in rent what the box i'm in would cost, monthly, if 'bought' |
00:48 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: this is thought to be a reasonably good deal, too, around here. |
00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
dub: People in the "city" don't get "wages" they get SSI |
00:51 |
asciilifeform |
we will discover the actual market price of american house if and when the artificial system for keeping 100,000s of them permanently vacant and off the market were to fail. |
00:51 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgJ8l5KJeOI |
00:51 |
assbot |
Get Money - YouTube |
00:52 |
asciilifeform |
(unfortunately with it will fail public utilities, police, etc. so we only learn the price of a 'mad max' house, vs. what presently exists.) |
00:53 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: This is what the "chosen suburbs" are for. |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony awake? |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps he can tell what this looks like in person. |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
(was it him, in ZA?) |
00:54 |
dub |
he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW |
00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
www.forbes.com/special-report/2012/1016_zip-codes.html |
00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: He's in SA |
00:56 |
Vexual |
.za fool |
00:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
00:57 |
asciilifeform |
the saudis got sa |
00:58 |
Vexual |
afrikaans love them some z |
00:58 |
BingoBoingo |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_and_Country,_Missouri |
00:58 |
assbot |
Town and Country, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladue,_Missouri |
00:59 |
assbot |
Ladue, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
01:00 |
Vexual |
got your passport back yet? |
01:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Every major city has a few suburbs like those |
01:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Vexual: Case still pending |
01:00 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26815298 |
01:00 |
assbot |
BBC News - The Indian miracle-buster stuck in Finland |
01:01 |
kakobrekla |
the world is insane. |
01:01 |
Vexual |
youtube.com/watch?v=d8Fmu3RLEOY |
01:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, only 4-8 hours until I was offered a derechero might wreak havok |
01:04 |
dub |
india is insane |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: from your ladue link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumbelina_(horse) |
01:06 |
assbot |
Thumbelina (horse) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
^ most interesting citizen of that city |
01:07 |
Vexual |
lol |
01:07 |
Vexual |
get me on a greyhound! |
01:08 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: You have to understand. When Clayton gets hit with the city of StL's disease... the chosen suburbs flee to Utah... |
01:08 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
01:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Just like The resident |
01:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00085891 = 20.0555 BTC [+] |
01:13 |
nubbins` |
mad max 2 has a 100% rating on rotten tomatoes, hey? |
01:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, a complete non-secret is that one or more Air Force One decoys live across the Mississippi from St Louis |
01:15 |
Vexual |
whats imdb say? |
01:16 |
Vexual |
thats the one with tina turner? |
01:20 |
nubbins` |
i think tina was in number 3 |
01:20 |
Vexual |
oh yah, thunderdome |
01:22 |
nubbins` |
time for sleep |
01:23 |
Vexual |
ditto |
01:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.201 = 0.402 BTC [+] {2} |
01:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20413 = 1.0207 BTC [+] |
01:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00085367 = 7.683 BTC [-] {3} |
01:39 |
BingoBoingo |
https://twitter.com/rabite/status/474026361691332609 |
01:39 |
assbot |
If those two 12 year old girls had read some Clive Barker instead of Slender Man Creepypasta, they would have done a way sweeter murder. |
01:43 |
BingoBoingo |
I guess within the next three years we'll prolly see Brock Pierce molest some kids in the name of PedoBear |
01:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 545 @ 0.00018958 = 0.1033 BTC [-] {6} |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0763022 = 0.1526 BTC [-] |
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02:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.21147997 = 4.2296 BTC [+] {6} |
02:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00084902 = 16.7681 BTC [-] {2} |
02:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.216 = 0.864 BTC [+] |
02:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1845 @ 0.00084848 = 1.5654 BTC [-] |
02:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02115 = 0.1058 BTC [+] |
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03:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26846 @ 0.00084 = 22.5506 BTC [-] |
03:17 |
* |
fluffypony is awake |
03:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07630714 = 2.1366 BTC [+] {2} |
03:19 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: read the conversation twice but not enough coffee yet, what must I comment on? the chosen suburbs thing? |
03:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07630009 = 1.6023 BTC [-] {2} |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0763075 = 0.7631 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0763075 = 0.6105 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.07503837 = 22.5115 BTC [-] {7} |
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assbot |
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04:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19105 @ 0.00084366 = 16.1181 BTC [+] |
04:04 |
Naphex |
howdy |
04:05 |
fluffypony |
morningz |
04:13 |
xmj |
morning |
04:20 |
Naphex |
!up davout |
04:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19302044 = 0.7721 BTC [-] {3} |
04:21 |
fluffypony |
!up davout |
04:22 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: you have to re-up yourself I think |
04:22 |
Naphex |
yeah |
04:22 |
Naphex |
interesting how freenode irc servers don't keep mod states, and just resend the +v message every time you hit another /mode cmd |
04:22 |
Naphex |
!up Naphex |
04:23 |
Naphex |
see? how's that working, cmon i already am voiced ;] |
04:23 |
fluffypony |
lol |
04:23 |
xmj |
!up Naphex |
04:23 |
xmj |
such voice, many listen, much wow |
04:24 |
xmj |
(No, I could not resist that one.) |
04:24 |
Naphex |
no worries, every time someone does it a shiba inu dies |
04:24 |
Naphex |
:) |
04:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 127 @ 0.00206766 = 0.2626 BTC [-] |
04:24 |
davout |
fluffypony Naphex wai u up? |
04:24 |
fluffypony |
davout:10:30am |
04:24 |
Naphex |
yeah man, 11:24 |
04:24 |
Naphex |
looks like i have some offset |
04:25 |
davout |
haha why did you up! ? |
04:25 |
davout |
also hello |
04:25 |
fluffypony |
aaah |
04:25 |
fluffypony |
I dunno |
04:25 |
fluffypony |
Naphex did |
04:25 |
fluffypony |
and I followed suite |
04:25 |
Naphex |
yeah |
04:25 |
Naphex |
just starting a trend |
04:25 |
Naphex |
:) |
04:25 |
fluffypony |
s/suite/suit |
04:25 |
Naphex |
anyway davout did you ever implement FAST and is anyone using it? |
04:26 |
davout |
Naphex: no i didn't, it's on the backburner currently |
04:26 |
Naphex |
also why would someone just roll another fast interface when they can roll a high performance i/o protobuf one |
04:26 |
Naphex |
and just sell that mass improved |
04:28 |
Naphex |
i'm working on a realtime protobuf interface for trading, with incremental streamed updates and realtime orders. |
04:29 |
davout |
sounds pretty neat! |
04:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00085621 = 13.3569 BTC [+] |
04:31 |
fluffypony |
davout: how's the rebranding goign? |
04:31 |
fluffypony |
*going |
04:32 |
davout |
it's scheduled, the UI designer is going crazy :D |
04:37 |
Naphex |
what's he going crazy about? |
04:38 |
Naphex |
just change Bitcoin-Central to Paymium on front page, and you're about done :P |
04:38 |
davout |
too easy |
04:38 |
davout |
since we're launching merchant services at about the same time and that we're going to have a single landing page it needs some lifting |
04:39 |
Naphex |
you're doing merchant services / exchange under the same platform? |
04:39 |
Naphex |
won't it clutter up with all the merchant features? |
04:40 |
davout |
you mean on the front page ? |
04:40 |
Naphex |
no i mean just in general, the code the platform etc |
04:41 |
Naphex |
i mean we're working on finalizing the payment/merchant gateway as well. but we're building them as separate projects to avoid clutter |
04:41 |
Naphex |
and unifing the wallets so they can interlink |
04:41 |
davout |
the interlink code could count as clutter as well |
04:41 |
Naphex |
then BTCXPay for payments / BTXChange for trading/exchanging |
04:41 |
Naphex |
well interlink code is needed anyway, for wallet apps and the rest |
04:41 |
davout |
you don't do the exchanging ? |
04:41 |
Naphex |
so atleast they share same wallet/account |
04:42 |
davout |
i mean can't a merchant request to be paid 12.34 EUR and receive exactly that ? |
04:42 |
Naphex |
he can |
04:42 |
Naphex |
but the merchant services will be a whole differnt app with merchant in mind, and all the features that come with merchant gateways |
04:43 |
davout |
i like the idea of having a single app to maintain |
04:43 |
Naphex |
i think exchange / payment services are too big fields too keep under same app |
04:43 |
davout |
also, a lot of code to check for incoming payments and track them properly is shared |
04:43 |
davout |
the money flows are managed in a unified process |
04:44 |
Naphex |
probably but that opens a whole lot of room, for vulnerabilities, bugs, spaghetti code, maintainance problems |
04:44 |
Naphex |
and a lot of clutter in a big app |
04:44 |
xmj |
mm. |
04:44 |
xmj |
Naphex: what language do you write that one in? |
04:44 |
Naphex |
since merchant are going too need merchant reports, invoice listings, button generators, cart generators, apis and plugins to intergrate in popular ecommerce platforms |
04:45 |
davout |
Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage |
04:45 |
Naphex |
xmj: nowadays i usually write standalone java for backends |
04:45 |
davout |
for the |
04:45 |
fluffypony |
xmj: Naphex has been plugged directly into his server banks for a while now |
04:45 |
fluffypony |
so he just thinks in code |
04:45 |
Naphex |
thats correct ;] |
04:45 |
fluffypony |
I hear he's switching to Swift after watching the Apple demo on Monday |
04:45 |
davout |
api for example, we leverage a lot of code that already exists, the extra part is a couple of models and their business logic, the e-commerce plugins are separate ofc |
04:46 |
xmj |
Naphex: Java seems a popular choice for financial transaction backends |
04:46 |
xmj |
Naphex: we've developed a p2p credit/lending site, our bank's API connectors are in java. |
04:47 |
Naphex |
xmj: its pretty lean, fast, threading is a dream and NIO is great and fast and easy to implement |
04:47 |
xmj |
NIO ? |
04:47 |
xmj |
non-blocking IO ? |
04:47 |
Naphex |
then you got really good tools, and profilers and debuggers |
04:47 |
Naphex |
xmj: yes |
04:48 |
Naphex |
but i don't use servlets or other middleware, so there's that. |
04:48 |
xmj |
ah |
04:48 |
xmj |
matter of taste i guess. |
04:48 |
Naphex |
speed |
04:48 |
xmj |
I really really like Python, because it's legible and fast to write prototypes in. |
04:49 |
xmj |
By the time you have serious scaling issues, you can always write things in Cython. |
04:49 |
Naphex |
python's not bad. twisted python is perty okay |
04:49 |
xmj |
or C. or C++. |
04:49 |
Naphex |
yep |
04:49 |
xmj |
(though, I can't write C. yet.) |
04:49 |
Naphex |
i do the same in jave, write JNI if there are bottlenecks or too slow performing native functions |
04:50 |
Naphex |
but rarely i have to do that for backends, as in hardware nowadays is too fast to care |
04:50 |
Naphex |
but i have done a lot of that for embedded and it worked out very nice |
04:51 |
xmj |
cool |
04:51 |
Naphex |
<+davout> Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage << |
04:51 |
Naphex |
I like my stuff modular, i split a big app into scalable services |
04:51 |
Naphex |
then interlink |
04:51 |
xmj |
benefit: you can reuse those parts more easily across customers. |
04:52 |
Naphex |
now i know services are secure and they stay clean and sharp to the point code |
04:52 |
xmj |
no need to reinvent wheels if you already have a stack of them. |
04:52 |
Naphex |
yep |
04:52 |
Naphex |
so i can have wallet nodes, exchange nodes (which can be split into INSTRUMENT servers) |
04:53 |
davout |
Naphex: you're bound to have quite some coupling |
04:54 |
Naphex |
there is no problem with coupling, nodes come out with coupling since start |
04:54 |
davout |
howso ? |
04:54 |
Naphex |
and they can handle their duty, wallet nodes can be used by clients to connect and manage their wallets |
04:55 |
Naphex |
exchange nodes can be accessed to convert the currency |
04:55 |
Naphex |
and payment nodes to process payments and get auto notifications from them |
04:55 |
Naphex |
they come up with servicing in mind, and the same way a client hooks up to them web platforms hook up as well |
04:55 |
davout |
but do you have a single unified domain model ? |
04:56 |
davout |
yeah, we have that too, the web interface is a module that hooks into the API |
04:56 |
davout |
it's not built in to the app |
04:56 |
Naphex |
see, now will that api do payments processing as well in the same big app? |
04:56 |
Naphex |
or be split into modular nodes |
04:56 |
Naphex |
which will interlink |
04:57 |
davout |
there is a blockchain watching process that notifies the models when it sees an incoming payment |
04:57 |
Naphex |
i just think one big app to handle wallet api, exchange api, payments api might just be too big |
04:57 |
Naphex |
and eventually you will have to split it to scale |
04:58 |
davout |
well, look at the trading for example |
04:58 |
davout |
you can not horizontally scale it |
04:58 |
davout |
it *has* to be a sequential queue that's processed FIFO |
04:58 |
Naphex |
yep |
04:58 |
davout |
how does having it as a separate thing help ? |
04:59 |
Naphex |
well, the exchange api will be that sequential queue. |
04:59 |
davout |
i mean, in my case it's a separate process, but it does however leverage a unique domain model |
04:59 |
Naphex |
but why does it have to also manage the wallets, and record user transactions, and process payments |
04:59 |
Naphex |
right? |
04:59 |
davout |
it needs to record transactions |
04:59 |
Naphex |
because it handles exchange data, and orders, and order queues, and execution |
05:00 |
davout |
executions result in writes into your accounting, right? |
05:00 |
Naphex |
and maybe order rules |
05:00 |
Naphex |
davout: brb gotta eat, continue afteward if you're still on |
05:00 |
davout |
sure |
05:00 |
Naphex |
davout: but an exchange transaction != a bitcoin transaction |
05:00 |
Naphex |
or an exchange transaction != payment transaction |
05:00 |
davout |
sure, but they all need to be accounted for |
05:01 |
davout |
they need to go in the ledger, also these transactions may share properties |
05:01 |
davout |
a lot of code is common between a bitcoin deposit and an invoice bitcoin payment |
05:02 |
davout |
for example, the service call "monitor bitcoin address xyz for x days" is common between a deposit address creation, and an invoice creation |
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05:18 |
pankkake |
lol again http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/04/0059245/man-who-issued-securities-for-bitcoins-settles-with-sec |
05:18 |
assbot |
Man Who Issued Securities For Bitcoins Settles With SEC - Slashdot |
05:20 |
davout |
the sec will have to go feck itself eventually |
05:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11792 @ 0.00084729 = 9.9912 BTC [-] |
05:22 |
davout |
!up adrrr |
05:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06810526 = 2.7242 BTC [-] {8} |
05:23 |
adrrr |
hey thanks :) |
05:25 |
adrrr |
http://mashable.com/2014/06/03/apple-os-x-yosemite-top-features/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link |
05:25 |
assbot |
Apple OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Top 6 New Features |
05:26 |
pankkake |
so magical and revolutionary |
05:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.02793665 = 0.6705 BTC [-] {5} |
05:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 123 @ 0.00418522 = 0.5148 BTC [-] {7} |
05:27 |
fluffypony |
so SWIFT |
05:27 |
fluffypony |
how is "prettier icons" a feature? |
05:28 |
pankkake |
"Yosemite has cleaner and clearer icons along the bottom of a Mac screen, including the apps that usually value function over beauty." wait there are macapps that value function? |
05:28 |
pankkake |
"That is a gorgeous trash can," Federighi said. "You wouldn't believe how much time we spent crafting a trash can." |
05:28 |
kakobrekla |
hahaha, they list: 1. Prettier Icons: |
05:28 |
kakobrekla |
number one is prettier icons. |
05:28 |
kakobrekla |
this is number one. |
05:29 |
kakobrekla |
i guess next question is, does it come with lipstick? |
05:30 |
adrrr |
pankkake: mostly, there is apple haters :D |
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06:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10708 @ 0.00084214 = 9.0176 BTC [-] |
06:06 |
jurov |
one has to be apple hater to find such "features" ridiculous? |
06:06 |
fluffypony |
yeah I quite like Apple and I think that's a stupid feature to focus on |
06:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19313442 = 0.3863 BTC [+] |
06:07 |
fluffypony |
but that's just journalism |
06:07 |
dub |
apple only does stupid features so its unfair to pick on this |
06:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19313432 BTC [-] |
06:11 |
dub |
does apple still exist? not even my hipster sister rolls macbook anymore |
06:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20313422 = 0.6094 BTC [+] |
06:24 |
dub |
thats not just idle fanboy hatred either, they have a lot of mobile handsets around but beyond a few music heads (who suffer extreme lock-in) I don't know any actual users |
06:26 |
pankkake |
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Facebook_c32430_2573160.jpg |
06:26 |
davout |
dub: a feature i like it's that their OS is a unix |
06:26 |
davout |
jurov: the gorgeous trashcan is ridiculous indeed |
06:27 |
pankkake |
an eunuch unix |
06:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00084924 = 31.804 BTC [+] {2} |
06:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06958782 = 1.1134 BTC [+] {2} |
06:27 |
dub |
thats not particularly compelling |
06:28 |
pankkake |
with the worst window management ever |
06:28 |
dub |
I don't need unix at my end terminal and its only a couple of clicks away |
06:28 |
davout |
pankkake: what do you mean ? |
06:29 |
davout |
dub: so you're windows? |
06:29 |
dub |
for UI shit yeah |
06:29 |
pankkake |
it's just not ergonomic. makes you work a lot with the mouse for nothing |
06:30 |
davout |
pankkake: i use it everyday, and imo it's the best window management, it never feels like it gets in the way |
06:30 |
davout |
i keep raging about it each time i use a windows comp, and i don't use gui when i use linux |
06:31 |
davout |
mostly because i use linux for servers |
06:31 |
davout |
dub: well, osx is pretty good for ui imo, so i'm happy this way |
06:33 |
davout |
also, they're finally sucking the bitcoin cock :D |
06:33 |
dub |
just making an observation, we tend to run close to the front of tech trends over here and it struck me that apple are pretty much invisible outside of mobile |
06:33 |
dub |
which is a change from last time I thought about it |
06:34 |
pankkake |
do they really allow bitcoin applications, or is it yet another redditation? |
06:35 |
davout |
pankkake: well, i pointed out the fact that their new policy didn't mean shit taken on its own, however it appears there are some wallets that are back in |
06:35 |
davout |
such as coinjar |
06:35 |
davout |
so, i thought like you, but the facts seem to tell a different story |
06:37 |
davout |
https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/coinjar-for-iphone/id725209873?mt=8 |
06:37 |
assbot |
CoinJar for iPhone on the App Store on iTunes |
06:39 |
pankkake |
* Managed Bitcoin wallet in the cloud |
06:40 |
davout |
coinjar? |
06:40 |
pankkake |
yes |
06:40 |
davout |
that doesn't change the point |
06:41 |
davout |
their "Fair rate(TM)" is pretty ridiculous too |
06:44 |
Naphex |
!up HeySteve |
06:45 |
cazalla |
don't you mean zhoujar |
06:45 |
davout |
o it's ryan's ? |
06:45 |
cazalla |
yeah |
06:46 |
pankkake |
well they might not want to allow application that store the private key |
06:46 |
davout |
pankkake: sounds doubtful |
06:47 |
davout |
their issue was "facilitating transmission" |
06:47 |
davout |
we'll see if blockchain gets back |
06:47 |
Naphex |
they will prolly ban p2p aps |
06:47 |
Naphex |
as they ban torrent apps a well |
06:47 |
Naphex |
so no Mycelium or thin clients |
06:47 |
davout |
p2p what? trading? |
06:48 |
Naphex |
Peer2Peer wallets, that connect to bitcoin network and do SPV |
06:48 |
Naphex |
so only centralized single source wallets |
06:52 |
davout |
the idea that they'll make a difference isn't supported by any facts so far |
06:52 |
Naphex |
well.. blockchain is down yet mycelium works |
06:52 |
Naphex |
so anyone who tried to use blockchain.info in the last i dunno 5-6 hours |
06:52 |
Naphex |
got erros |
06:52 |
Naphex |
while mycelium worked fine. that will make a difference every time there is a service failure |
06:54 |
davout |
no, the idea that they will categorize applications based on whether or not they store the keys, or rely on a central service |
06:55 |
davout |
is supported neither by their policy, nor by factual experience |
06:56 |
davout |
"My Father's house has many rooms" |
07:02 |
davout |
for more philosophical quotes -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hkqBfvDBU |
07:02 |
assbot |
OSS 117 Le Caire : Discussion philosophique avec Franois Damiens - YouTube |
07:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00084426 = 13.1705 BTC [-] |
07:26 |
Naphex |
"Datorita atitudinii unor persoane dorim sa va comunicam oficial ca raspunsurile noastre nu vor mai fi oferite pe acest forum. Dorim sa pastram o relatie profesionala si sa evitam raspunsul amenintarilor primite." |
07:26 |
Naphex |
seriously |
07:26 |
Naphex |
customers will definetly be less threating if they received their shit on time |
07:27 |
Naphex |
my blood just boils if i order something/pre-order something and it never gets delivered |
07:27 |
Naphex |
every mining company should just stop selling preorders period. |
07:27 |
Naphex |
and build their equipment or sell stock |
07:28 |
Apocalyptic |
but then they couldn't scam Naphex |
07:28 |
Naphex |
probably but then they shouldn't wonder when customers get all angry and threatening and then resort to police action |
07:30 |
Naphex |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446503.0 mining drama in Romanian community, undelivered orders the usual. Google translate might help / http://blackminer.com/ the mining equipment builders from .ro |
07:30 |
assbot |
Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware |
07:30 |
assbot |
Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin & Litecoin Mining Hardware |
07:34 |
Naphex |
Posts about people paying 28,000$ for mining equipment and still not delivering weeks after deadline. is it just me or thats a hell of a lot money to be pissing people off for |
07:35 |
pankkake |
there's this guy who bet 99% of his coins on a scam and now says he doesn't have enough for a lawyer |
07:35 |
pankkake |
maybe they're the same type |
07:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44468 @ 0.00084424 = 37.5417 BTC [-] {2} |
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08:03 |
fluffypony |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/279sex/ghashio_double_spending/ |
08:03 |
assbot |
GHash.IO & double spending : Bitcoin |
08:03 |
Naphex |
hey don't take 0 conf |
08:03 |
Naphex |
you gambling? take 1 |
08:04 |
davout |
people who accept 0 conf will get repeatedly raped until one of the following happens |
08:04 |
davout |
- there's nothing left to rape |
08:04 |
davout |
- they wisen up |
08:05 |
Naphex |
so ghash.io is teaching a valuable lesson then |
08:07 |
Naphex |
http://www.wired.com/2014/06/silk-road-study/ - the more interesting news today |
08:07 |
assbot |
Silk Road Reduced Violence in the Drug Trade, Study Argues | Threat Level | WIRED |
08:08 |
davout |
what exactly is it doing? (haven't read the reddit post) |
08:08 |
Naphex |
davout: ghash.io double spending against some bitcoin casino |
08:08 |
Naphex |
roll dig win -> let transaction confirm / lose -> double spend |
08:08 |
Naphex |
roll dice* |
08:09 |
davout |
is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward |
08:09 |
Naphex |
"proved" |
08:10 |
Naphex |
but still basic attack, they can just drop the tx and double spend. some luck required |
08:10 |
davout |
oic |
08:11 |
davout |
kinda scammy to do that, but otoh the casino being retarded doesn't help |
08:12 |
Naphex |
well they might not be doing it and someone else just messing with their system |
08:12 |
artifexd |
Why isn't http://bitbet.us/bet/858/ already resolved? |
08:12 |
assbot |
BitBet - Perpetual Obsolescence: iOS 8 Announced in 2014 :: 0.22 B (96%) on Yes, 0.01 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 3 weeks | weight: 93`379 (100`000 to 1) |
08:12 |
Naphex |
who knows what they use to detect transactions and how their system executes |
08:12 |
pankkake |
artifexd: to get 1% from asshole after-the-fact bettors? :p |
08:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1706 @ 0.00083906 = 1.4314 BTC [-] |
08:13 |
mircea_popescu |
hola! |
08:13 |
artifexd |
You would certainly have to be an idjot to bet on it. I was just curious. |
08:13 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: hi! |
08:13 |
mircea_popescu |
how goes it :) |
08:14 |
mircea_popescu |
artifexd, was it announced ? |
08:14 |
artifexd |
At WWDC a couple days ago |
08:14 |
artifexd |
https://www.apple.com/ios/ios8/ |
08:14 |
assbot |
Apple - iOS 8 - Overview |
08:14 |
mircea_popescu |
a ok. best leave a link in comments there would you. |
08:15 |
artifexd |
Sure |
08:15 |
Naphex |
how is ios8 huge for developers? did they finally open up? |
08:15 |
mircea_popescu |
now that i doub |
08:15 |
mircea_popescu |
t |
08:15 |
davout |
Naphex: they announced some naw language, looks just as ugly as objective c |
08:15 |
Naphex |
Each enhancement has a purpose. Every new feature deserves to be a new feature. |
08:15 |
Naphex |
such marketspeech |
08:16 |
Naphex |
god forbid you enhance without any purpose or add old new features |
08:17 |
mircea_popescu |
by this rationale every competitor to apple deserves to be successful. |
08:17 |
Naphex |
haha |
08:18 |
mircea_popescu |
someone sent me a trilema credits thing out of some pos wallet that truncates the last 2 digits of a tx |
08:18 |
mircea_popescu |
aren't they gonna be happy. |
08:19 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
08:19 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 637.16, Best ask: 638.21, Bid-ask spread: 1.05000, Last trade: 638.21, 24 hour volume: 19456.21434130, 24 hour low: 621.86, 24 hour high: 680.99, 24 hour vwap: 649.593962515 |
08:20 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: so mircea why no ssl on trilema? what if NSA steals my cookie?:( |
08:20 |
Naphex |
:)) |
08:20 |
mircea_popescu |
they can't use it. |
08:20 |
mircea_popescu |
try it yourself :D |
08:21 |
mircea_popescu |
the long version being that there's no ssl on trilema because ssl is so fucking broken, the problem it purports to solve but fails to solve can in fact be actually solved by five lines OF PHP. |
08:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2433 @ 0.0008529 = 2.0751 BTC [+] {2} |
08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/YtJ0agD8 |
08:26 |
assbot |
Hi, I wanted to follow up regarding the conference. Have you considered ou - Pastebin.com |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
buzzpro.co.il my foot. moar like spampro. |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody. |
08:28 |
mircea_popescu |
and ima do it because "some of the seats are already taken", as if random rottinculo has the upper hand in this fucking relationship where i got the dough and he's doing the begging. |
08:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking hell what sort of wet straw do they use to make brains these days i wish to know. denial all the way never fucking workls in practice, yet it seems the only strategy kids deploy anymore. |
08:30 |
Naphex |
well thats not true |
08:30 |
Naphex |
you gotta lean |
08:30 |
Naphex |
and spin |
08:30 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, if you wanna die poor you gotta. |
08:31 |
Naphex |
aren't all bussiness nowadays made from nothing? |
08:31 |
Naphex |
and require 0 money just a good idea? |
08:31 |
Naphex |
and some poor sob to code it |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
depends what you mean by business |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
if oyu mean the sort of crud that xml dude and his friends spit out, then yes, except it's not business, it's buzznix. |
08:32 |
Naphex |
hehe thats what i meant |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
but incidentally, this is a good fucking point, re php. hear all ye haters and knowppls : steal a trilema cookie, get a bitcoin. |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
since php is so insecure and everything, it should be trivial to do. |
08:36 |
Naphex |
well it works in the office cause i'm behind the same IP |
08:36 |
Naphex |
natted :) |
08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
that's how it's supposed to work |
08:37 |
Naphex |
yep i'm guessing its hooked to remote_addr |
08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
remote_addr+salt+pw or somesuch |
08:37 |
mircea_popescu |
i forget exactly but in principle that's the scheme |
08:38 |
Naphex |
is it just hashed and you check hash or you keep serverside session? |
08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
no sessions. |
08:39 |
Naphex |
so just hash(remote_addr+salt+pw) in /set-cookie.php |
08:39 |
Naphex |
and then check |
08:39 |
Mats_cd03 |
BingoBoingo: air force one decoy? |
08:39 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much |
08:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07645606 = 0.1529 BTC [+] |
08:39 |
Naphex |
but set-cookie doesn't encrypt "cod" :) |
08:39 |
Naphex |
so i can just snag it from there |
08:39 |
Naphex |
and have lots of trilema credits |
08:39 |
Naphex |
:P |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex, so try ? |
08:40 |
Naphex |
sadly i am not the nsa:( |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
what "cod" anyway ? |
08:40 |
Naphex |
Parola: <input type="text" name="cod" /> |
08:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ok so you snag it from there, and what ? crack the hash ? |
08:41 |
Mats_cd03 |
I was under the impression _any_ mil aircraft with potus in it was Air Force One, or Marine One, etc |
08:43 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: what is that hash anyway seems variable output |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
who's the haxxor here. |
08:44 |
pankkake |
Mats_cd03: Monica One |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
08:45 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: yeah but the password is cleartext in cookie no? |
08:45 |
* |
mircea_popescu doesn't even recall. |
08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
lets see here |
08:45 |
Naphex |
e163Gpassword_test_inputl68a9 |
08:47 |
Naphex |
so its just the math for the ip/checksum |
08:49 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much |
08:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19841 @ 0.00085342 = 16.9327 BTC [+] |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
actually i suppose an extra layer couldn't possibly hurt. |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
!up manamex_ |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
attention all people logged into trilema : im putting in a change ticket, which will be implemented whenever today and as a result will prolly log you out. just log back in will be fine. |
08:51 |
Naphex |
so do i get a bitcoin?:) %% |
08:51 |
Naphex |
^^ |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
no, because you didn't steal a cookie :D |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you do get a pat on the head tho, for being halpful. |
08:52 |
Naphex |
hehe |
08:52 |
Naphex |
wait i was just about to break the hash |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
a ok |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i'll put the ticket in tomorrow then, that enough for you ? |
08:53 |
Naphex |
nah i was just kidding, do the ticket |
08:53 |
Naphex |
atleast tell me what does the extra byte before password do?:) |
08:53 |
Naphex |
i'm guessing e163 / 68a9 encodes the ip |
08:53 |
Naphex |
doesn't look ip2long/long to ip |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no fucking idea |
08:54 |
Naphex |
e163(G) <- this one :)password_test_inputl68a9 |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
it's been years and this was never a central matter |
09:01 |
Mats_cd03 |
http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/document/Poverty%20documents/FPW_May%202014_final.pdf |
09:02 |
Mats_cd03 |
food price watch tracking trends in various places |
09:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 376 @ 0.00085342 = 0.3209 BTC [+] |
09:05 |
Mats_cd03 |
food riots remaining a perennial phenomenon worldwide |
09:06 |
pankkake |
at least americans will be able to eat their fat |
09:06 |
fluffypony |
lulz |
09:07 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake, so would kenyans |
09:11 |
dub |
kenyans can eat american fat |
09:12 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly. |
09:15 |
dub |
obama was sent to initiate the harvest |
09:16 |
mircea_popescu |
omg obama is eating baby fat ? |
09:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-] |
09:17 |
dub |
all muslims eat babies, remember? |
09:17 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line |
09:18 |
Mats_cd03 |
lol |
09:19 |
mircea_popescu |
dub, a muslim ate yo baby ? |
09:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00084608 = 28.6821 BTC [-] |
09:20 |
* |
mircea_popescu sings ♫♩ it's a muslim eat baby would out there baby ♬ make a lotta nice friends ♪♪ if you don't make a lotta nice friends come back, babe... |
09:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00084781 = 25.2647 BTC [+] |
09:38 |
Naphex |
i'm off |
09:38 |
Naphex |
laters o/ |
09:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17185 @ 0.00084944 = 14.5976 BTC [+] |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
so now, should i go through the logs ? or should i make further travel posts on trilema ? |
09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i shall ponder this matter while my salmon omlet cooks |
10:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36464 @ 0.00084981 = 30.9875 BTC [+] {2} |
10:03 |
moiety |
hello :] |
10:03 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo:That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife <- I knew I should've made her nails the same colour! |
10:07 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26ymdr/ive_come_to_my_sensesi_sold_all_my_dogecoins_and/ |
10:07 |
assbot |
I've come to my senses...I sold all my dogecoins and am full into bitcoin again. Not gonna f*** with those alt coins again. : Bitcoin |
10:09 |
pankkake |
"You should not keep all your eggs in 1 basket, get some Litecoin as well, have you seen the volume and market cap? I am 70% Bitcoin, 30% Litecoin - Litecoin is seriously undervalued right now. |
10:09 |
pankkake |
"The only alt worth having any serious money in is Litecoin. I have no faith in any others. |
10:10 |
pankkake |
god, how I hate those scam pumpers |
10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
it really should be atc. |
10:11 |
TomServo |
I mined a few litecoin blocks via CPU way back when. Just recently found that wallet and sold them, twas nice to grab a few BTC out of that. |
10:11 |
fluffypony |
plx |
10:11 |
fluffypony |
FluffyCoin is coming |
10:12 |
dub |
%book |
10:12 |
atcbot |
3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 65k@141 25k@141 100k@140 |
10:12 |
TomServo |
LTC/BTC exchange rate has been in a pretty steady decline for a while now |
10:12 |
fluffypony |
you can mergemine it with ManulCoin and Altcoin |
10:12 |
fluffypony |
and it will have a fluffy logo |
10:12 |
fluffypony |
which will be a feature |
10:12 |
fluffypony |
also it'll be written in Swift because that's a modern language |
10:12 |
moiety |
omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too |
10:12 |
fluffypony |
heh heh |
10:13 |
moiety |
i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc |
10:15 |
fluffypony |
the problem is that much of the time and energy has been spent by people that aren't really on "that level", so if they focused on BTC instead we'd just see more shitty copies of exchanges / gambling sites etc. |
10:15 |
fluffypony |
and about a billion dumb features submitted as pull requests |
10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony, you can't merge ltc with atc, one's scrypt |
10:16 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: no no, FluffyCoin and ManulCoin will merge-mine with ATC |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
<moiety> omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too << coins made out of shag. |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
swag! |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
<moiety> i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc << not noticeably different. |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, just like where opera would be if all the time spent derping around counterstrike were spent "singing" |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly what fluffy says. |
10:18 |
TomServo |
"You buy Doge for the community not as an investment." |
10:18 |
pankkake |
merge mining is one of the few things that would make me take an altcoin seriously |
10:18 |
TomServo |
ha. |
10:19 |
pankkake |
still a better reason than silver to bitcoin's gold |
10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
!up princessnell |
10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot princessnell |
10:20 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014 |
10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
<TomServo> "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment." << thus spoke socialisthustra. |
10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake, you can actually merge mine atc with btc neh ? |
10:21 |
pankkake |
no, you'd have to patch atc for that |
10:21 |
pankkake |
and I don't know how |
10:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5153 @ 0.00085231 = 4.392 BTC [+] |
10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, i seriously see why it'd make sense for your site. |
10:23 |
mircea_popescu |
and then perhaps we can merge-credits. |
10:24 |
fluffypony |
TrilemaCoin ? |
10:24 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c: |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk. << zipf would put a rapid end to that methinks. |
10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, there's definitely some future in the blog credits thing. |
10:27 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly too soon to know how it looks. |
10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
well since i'm reading the logs, i'd like to take a minute and dissect the stupidity of "xmj: mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is." |
10:28 |
moiety |
i think i would have to give out credits to get people to read a blog |
10:28 |
xmj |
mircea_popescu: so you don't ignore me? |
10:28 |
mircea_popescu |
first off and most importantly, the unexamined prior that there "is" this one thing called "start-ups" |
10:29 |
xmj |
it's not an unexamined prior. it's a fact. read news.ycombinator.com. |
| |
↖ |
10:29 |
artifexd |
http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/06/making-end-to-end-encryption-easier-to.html |
10:29 |
assbot |
Google Online Security Blog: Making end-to-end encryption easier to use |
10:29 |
xmj |
get your inflated head down to the reality of 2014. |
10:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.20184919 = 2.2203 BTC [-] {5} |
10:30 |
fluffypony |
artifexd: I was reading their stuff earlier, it's quite interesting |
10:31 |
artifexd |
It is hard to find (as in I couldn't) an easy way to do gpg email in gmail. There used to be plugins but they just don't last/work. |
10:33 |
fluffypony |
artifexd: mailvelope |
10:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5463 @ 0.00085231 = 4.6562 BTC [+] |
10:34 |
artifexd |
I looked at that and I dismissed it for some reason that I don't recall. That was prior to the current release though so I shall look again. |
10:34 |
danielpbarron |
when i first started sending ascii armored blocks in gmail, they would alter some of it so it wasn't valid on the other end; sometimes because it would try to translate it, and sometimes it would just randomly remove a space or line return |
10:35 |
danielpbarron |
after i set the option "never try to translate this" it seems to work every time |
10:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16943 @ 0.00085231 = 14.4407 BTC [+] |
10:37 |
artifexd |
I think it comes down to the fact that I get a bad feeling at the idea of putting my private key somewhere that could be accessed via javascript that was downloaded from some external location. |
10:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00196696 = 0.1869 BTC [-] |
10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
motherfucker wireless omg. |
10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
anywyay, i was interrupted in the middle of spamming. let's continue. |
10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
this is usually the result of mediocre brains strained through the us college system. they end up with the expectation that any conceptual category has a practical counterpart. |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
and so there IS such a thing as "start-ups" in the same sense there actually is a thing called new york. |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
second off, and much more worrisome, the bizarre notion that there's safety in banality, to wit, that one can't fuck up by doing what "everyone" is doing. |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
this is exactly counter to what a startup is even for. this is ibm think. |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
there's simply no way he ends up any other way than bleeding in a ditch somewhere, with a pilum in his penis. |
10:40 |
mircea_popescu |
oviously in real reality start-ups are not the derps that go to "start-up dinners", but exactly the guys that don't |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and similarly, start-ups aren't the guys that do what everyone else does, but exactly the guys that don't. |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell bitcoinpete: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-06/03/silk-road-study << this is precisely why they wanted that "murder solicitation" thing in there so bad. and... they got it. because, bitcoin jesuses. |
10:41 |
assbot |
Study claims Silk Road reduced drug-related violence (Wired UK) |
10:41 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
10:42 |
mike_c |
i would post that on my wall, but then everyone would just ask me "who is mircea" |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
that's ok. |
10:42 |
mike_c |
drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it" |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it;s not really intended for the comsumption of the etsy crowd. |
10:42 |
Apocalyptic |
<mike_c> drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it" << this |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
no but you see, that's who they are and what they do. what do you want ? |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
most people are supposed to be most people. |
10:43 |
pankkake |
i've also got the "it's written by a googletwitterfacebook employee" |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, like btc 7.0 |
10:46 |
moiety |
have tweeter been in touch with you mircea_popescu? |
10:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21115623 = 1.0558 BTC [+] {3} |
10:46 |
pankkake |
I believe it works the other way |
10:46 |
Mats_cd03 |
im glad theres an extension |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't even know moiety. still working at having everything up and running, moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task |
10:47 |
moiety |
i just realised smuxi has tweeter support and i have no idea how to use it |
10:47 |
Mats_cd03 |
now i can use gpg on my chromebook |
10:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.02999988 = 0.24 BTC [+] |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
smucksy ? :D |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean schmucksy |
10:47 |
pankkake |
https://support.twitter.com/entries/15790 |
10:47 |
assbot |
Twitter Help Center | My account is suspended |
10:48 |
dub |
http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf |
10:48 |
moiety |
i don't even know how you are still sane mircea_popescu, moving one person and two cats with very little stuff is.. well, I've had enough by this point lol |
10:48 |
dub |
crime stats in denver since they legalised weed |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
!up n6506 |
10:48 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: "moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task" <<< if you care to share i'm curious about the criteria for choosing argentina |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
davout, basically, it's romania of the 90s/ny of the 70s. |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
i love that place. |
10:49 |
fluffypony |
The wife and I went to exactly 1 start-up dinner. Not only were the people a bunch of pretentious cocks that have never done anything successful in their lives (except circlejerk around all the cool synergies they can have with other start-ups), but the "speakers" (while eloquent and with beautiful Jobs-like presentations) espoused utterly inane notions that have no basis in reality and mostly have to do with spending stupid amounts of money |
10:49 |
fluffypony |
on "original" ideas that should cost a lot less than they do (see: guerrilla marketing). |
10:49 |
davout |
yeah, what was so cool about it? |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony, remind me to tell you about the ONE bdsm meet i ever attended |
10:49 |
n6506 |
mircea_popescu: behold phinnaeus gage in chan: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#701260 |
10:49 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
10:50 |
fluffypony |
davout: dancing in the streets but for free! |
10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
o wow. |
10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
how did i miss that! |
10:50 |
mircea_popescu |
coolness. |
10:50 |
moiety |
he wasn't here long, he said he would be back though. |
10:50 |
davout |
the first rule of the tautology club... |
10:51 |
xmj |
mircea_popescu: am I unignored now? |
10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell Phinnaeus it doesn't cunt if i wasn't there!!! |
10:51 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
10:51 |
xmj |
;;later tell mircea_popescu am I unignored now? |
10:51 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
10:51 |
xmj |
wonderful. |
10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
davout, i dunno, i like it! |
10:51 |
n6506 |
also mircea_popescu, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#702046 |
10:51 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
10:51 |
pankkake |
I hope that one line was trolling |
10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it matches my proclivities or something. |
10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
n6506, o god have mercy. |
10:52 |
n6506 |
:D |
10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake, were you the one with the "with cia agents" zinger, you multiminded psychopath you ? |
10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
just because they're after you doesn't mean everything's a meta. |
10:53 |
pankkake |
no it was nubbins http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=149 |
10:53 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash |
10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
but you're the same one guy rite ? |
10:53 |
pankkake |
depends on the days |
10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
;;tslb |
10:57 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 2 minutes and 36 seconds |
10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety, well, i have women to drive nuts, so it keeps me sane. it's like a gift. |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi. << you know it's pretty much how this crap works irl. |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
princessnell: bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there! << what's so bad about law ? |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
princessnell, |
10:59 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: that's the beauty of it...now if we add an IPO stage in the middle, we can make several HUNDREDS of Dollars! |
10:59 |
fluffypony |
worth it. |
11:00 |
princessnell |
mircea_popescu well there's a huge legal bubble in the us rite now |
11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony, you may underestimate the bezzle. what's whatsapp sell for i forget ? 50 trillion ? |
11:00 |
fluffypony |
true |
11:00 |
fluffypony |
despite what u-sage usagi thinks, I'm clearly a shitty scammer |
11:00 |
fluffypony |
I need to up my scamgame |
11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
princessnell, as in too many duke grads unemployed to the point you get idjits a la tucker max writing "novels" and then moving on to "financial advicering" ? |
11:01 |
princessnell |
that's the spectacle. then there's the masses of subprime borrowers who went to shit tier law schools and now work as glorified file clerks at an hourly wage. |
11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
but my point was not about the direct practical application |
11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
my point is more that if you aspire to not be fucking stupid, pretty much the best avenue in the us colleges today is law. |
11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
granted this doesn't justify the tuition. but then again i've yet to meet the person that studied law and was worse for the wear for it. |
11:02 |
princessnell |
why do you think that? |
11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
which one |
11:03 |
princessnell |
ah |
11:04 |
princessnell |
"the best avenue" idk i'm biased but i'd have to go with economics or math or even logic/philosophy |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
there's nobody aliv ein the us qualified to teach philosophy to any degree. |
11:04 |
princessnell |
"studying the law" here = "memorizing administrative case law" |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
math is a prime tool of making one stupid, even in sane places (such as the soviet union) |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ya well not that. |
11:05 |
princessnell |
point is i think on the whole the fields i mentioned equip you with better mental models than most law programs |
11:05 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose the start-up approach to studying law in the us is getting a small apt close to the campus of a good law school and fucking all the older profs for free. |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
rent way cheaper than tuition, results way better than degree, |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
more fun all through. |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
well, we may be talking at cross purposes, let me try and model the difference. |
11:06 |
princessnell |
ha. but then you don't get a sheepskin. |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose there's a land, and under this land water table, and above names of places. |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
how deep to the water table is perhaps what you're discussing, whereas how much water in that spot at all is maybe what i',m saying. |
11:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00085571 = 31.2762 BTC [+] {2} |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
math models are a lot easier to access, yes. not nearly as useful tho, not generally. |
11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: you guys have seen this, right - http://coingen.io << depends. you ever heard of atc, the altcoin ? |
11:10 |
assbot |
Coingen |
11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen thickasthieves |
11:10 |
gribble |
thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 1 hour, 15 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> lol |
11:10 |
princessnell |
what is it about law itself that you think leads people to not fucking stupidity |
11:10 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: was a prefix to a thought ;) |
11:11 |
Mats_cd03 |
imo physics is the most valuable |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
princessnell, it can;t ever be right. |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Mats_cd03, has a good point, physics i agree is very very close. for exactly the same reason |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
physics can also never be right. |
11:11 |
Mats_cd03 |
reasoning from first principles and so forth |
11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoinpete: mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin
i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project << nah, thickasthieves was running lean at the time :D |
11:14 |
princessnell |
i think that's right but i unfortunately don't think that's the approach that us law schools take. anyways i deal a lot with law through economics so i can have it all. |
11:14 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah that's the thing, it never goes away anyway, so... |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
"BitFury Group Ltd. last week secured one of the largest rounds of funding in the bitcoin sector, bringing in $20 million." |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
say what you will, the press doth learn. |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
"and expects $210 million in revenue for this year, on $120 million in EBITDA, Mr. Kikvadze said" |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
!up jm123 |
11:18 |
mircea_popescu |
check out that magic! 210 mn revenue 120mn ebitda! |
11:20 |
pankkake |
!up n6506 |
11:21 |
mike_c |
because you can just ignore depreciation, especially in a mining operation. |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
Mats_cd03: how long does it take for BB to deposit winnings following resolution << a maximum of two days |
11:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2773 @ 0.00085585 = 2.3733 BTC [+] |
11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, what i want to know is, if you ignore tax, interest, depreciaiton and everything else |
11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
where are you bleeding half your bottom line ? |
11:22 |
mike_c |
company parties are expensive. |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
no but srsly, what the fuck else is there |
11:23 |
mike_c |
salaries! |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
90mn in salaries ? |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
its a fucking start-up, they didn't hear of stock options in georgia ? |
11:24 |
fluffypony |
mike_c: Mining Equipment Present Value: $120mn. Mining Equipment Future Value: $120mn. |
11:24 |
fluffypony |
Mining Equipment Accounting Method |
11:24 |
fluffypony |
MEAM |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
11:24 |
mike_c |
well, they are talking about cash flow not balance sheet, so capex i guess |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
uh. |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
wait. |
11:24 |
mike_c |
capex counts against income, no? |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
dude that article could have been worse written |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
but it's not directly obvious how. who the fuck does wsj serve these days anyway ? |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously not people with even 1 year's worth of cc business. |
11:25 |
mike_c |
you missed the one from financial times that said SD raised *10 million* btc in their ipo |
11:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i ddin't miss the part where th sec dutifully cribbed the mpex numbers from trilema. |
11:26 |
mike_c |
reporters are awesome (present company not included in sarcasm of course) |
11:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3777 @ 0.00085594 = 3.2329 BTC [+] |
11:26 |
fluffypony |
mike_c: yeah that was my favourite |
11:27 |
fluffypony |
"IPO: want to raise half of bitcoins to ever exist. plz apply here." |
11:27 |
mike_c |
not to mention more than existed at the time. |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony, at the time there were about 9.5mn in total in existence, of which ~1mn still locked as today |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
so... yeah. |
11:27 |
fluffypony |
heh |
11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
it would help if the people covering the most important thing happening in the world these years would be at leas tconversant in its basicsa |
11:29 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, i guess the sane construction here is they're paying about 100mn to the various manuf etc to make their chips, and they expect to mine 200mn worth of btc |
11:29 |
mircea_popescu |
seems a scary tight margin put in those terms, but who knows. |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
also seems they have no intention to even try doing amortisation accounting on the mining rigs |
11:32 |
mike_c |
well, depreciation. amortization is for non-real things. |
11:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00085411 = 2.8613 BTC [-] |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i can imagine why. |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
11:34 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, so how are miners real things |
11:35 |
mike_c |
physical machines seem like a tangible asset |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
they indeed seem that way. |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
but why would they be ? |
11:35 |
benkay |
remember the conversation about the s.mg server? |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
a dream machine made out of a block of obsidian is tangible too ? |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay, no ? |
11:36 |
benkay |
there was a minor dust-up over the semantics of renting v owning. |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
aa that yes. |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics. |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
they're just as tangible now than before, what are they worth ? |
11:36 |
mike_c |
nothing. |
11:36 |
mircea_popescu |
this seems to me to fly in the face of the ~fundamental~ point of tangibility |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
granted that the form of it favours your interpretation |
11:37 |
mike_c |
tangible assets are always overstated in value though |
11:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but all in all this is a fine example of why i said in the past that bitcoin fucks everything up. it ruined the notion of bonds similarly. |
11:37 |
benkay |
i had a hilarious experience last night |
11:37 |
benkay |
some noob was all fired to undercut a regular on the local btc circuit |
11:37 |
benkay |
make some dollars |
11:38 |
benkay |
opened his PHONE WALLET to discover that due to its dependency on the blockchain API he was SHIT OUT OF BITCOINS. |
11:39 |
benkay |
it was awesome. much lectures on understanding what the fuck you're playing with and how it's not a fucking toy were dispensed. |
11:39 |
benkay |
then i bought from a pro. using laptops. |
11:39 |
benkay |
sorry for interrupting the magic computers discussion |
11:41 |
benkay |
http://bitbet.us/bet/858/ << lol @ bitbet trolling for gracious donations |
11:41 |
assbot |
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11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
<benkay> it was awesome. << kik pretty good |
11:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07398283 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2} |
11:43 |
mike_c |
not only is some dumbass trying to bet after the event, but he bets a whopping 20 cents. |
11:44 |
mircea_popescu |
lean betting |
11:44 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody. // this is the same problem i have with figuring out which trade shows to attend. i can't find a pattern to which ones produce leads, so i have to make a bunch of mistakes and learn to sniff out the frauds myself. |
11:45 |
benkay |
some day my noodle will dry out |
11:45 |
mircea_popescu |
!up bitstein |
11:45 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay, pretty much th estory of business since niniveh |
11:47 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line // even better are cleartext responses quoting the original message |
11:47 |
benkay |
FIRED. |
11:48 |
bitcoinpete |
lol usagi sent me a cleartext email the same day he negrated me |
11:49 |
bitcoinpete |
so i sent an email back to his otc email, a different one than the he'd previously sent from and… message delayed/lost in ether |
11:49 |
bitcoinpete |
gpg too hard obv |
11:50 |
bitcoinpete |
http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-argentine-memo-to-evade-bondholders-2014-6 |
11:50 |
assbot |
Leaked Argentine Memo To Evade Bondholders - Business Insider |
11:51 |
bitcoinpete |
"the memo suggests that perhaps the country isn't eager to pay off all of its creditors." |
11:51 |
bitcoinpete |
usa in 10 years |
11:51 |
bitcoinpete |
maybe 20 |
11:52 |
bitcoinpete |
maybe 5 |
11:53 |
bitcoinpete |
mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics. << like moving to sha512 or…? |
11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, there's some extra bytes to be able to brick asics |
11:54 |
bitcoinpete |
no grok... |
11:55 |
chetty |
re-education camps are here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/03/baker-forced-to-make-gay-wedding-cakes-undergo-sensitivity-training-after/ |
11:55 |
assbot |
Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit | Fox News |
11:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.0008569 = 68.0379 BTC [+] {3} |
11:56 |
CheckDavid |
:D |
11:56 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf bullshi tis that |
11:56 |
CheckDavid |
mircea_popescu: you made assbot trust me so I can voice? |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid |
11:57 |
gribble |
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11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
nope. |
11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
o yah, yeah i think ytou were added to the list back when |
11:57 |
CheckDavid |
Oh. Thanks |
11:58 |
CheckDavid |
Kickstarter doesn't allow btc or does it? |
11:59 |
CheckDavid |
I heard one can implement btc payments in there somehow though |
11:59 |
CheckDavid |
Not sure if accurate |
11:59 |
assbot |
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12:02 |
mike_c |
this cracks me up. hipster lorem ipsum: http://hipsum.co/?paras=4&type=hipster-centric |
12:02 |
assbot |
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12:03 |
princessnell |
chetty terrible. i need to gtfo like yesterday. |
12:03 |
chetty |
buenos aries is nice princessnell |
12:04 |
chetty |
gasenwagens are next |
12:04 |
princessnell |
chetty the conference seems so far away. might need to scope out the place beforehand. |
12:07 |
benkay |
i just learned about the doge "soak" |
12:09 |
benkay |
re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest.' |
12:10 |
danielpbarron |
^ ++ |
12:11 |
mike_c |
that doesn't work for a bakery. you can't serve 10 customers cake and then tell the black guy "this isn't a good deal for me". |
12:11 |
danielpbarron |
"i'm all out of cake" |
12:12 |
benkay |
there are just so many ways to do it, though mike_c |
12:12 |
benkay |
10x the normal rate |
12:12 |
benkay |
100x the normal rate |
12:12 |
danielpbarron |
i'd just make the homos their stupid cake and then tweet about how homosexuals should be stoned to death later that night |
12:12 |
mike_c |
and why are you changing the rate? because the guy is gay? doesn't work. |
12:13 |
benkay |
changing what rate? each customer only sees their own quote |
12:13 |
benkay |
unless of course you're publishing prices |
12:13 |
benkay |
for custom work |
12:14 |
mike_c |
meh, i don't think it works irl. just make the guy a cake. wtf does the baker care? you don't go to hell for making gay cakes. |
12:14 |
benkay |
but you go to the gulag for saying "naw faggot get out" |
12:14 |
mike_c |
yeah, so? |
12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, pretty good lol |
12:14 |
benkay |
don't say that |
12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
ETSY! |
12:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02124 = 0.1699 BTC [+] |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
<benkay> re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest. << hyou know this is how the VC circus was born right ? bankers thinking it imprident to laugh in the face of "businessmen" |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
led retarded kids with no negative feedback in a positive feedback loop |
12:15 |
benkay |
sure |
12:16 |
benkay |
but the baker answers to a higher power |
12:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02513275 = 0.1759 BTC [-] |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why there should be no higher power than a baker |
12:16 |
princessnell |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/04/mayday-pac-tech_n_5442230.html |
12:16 |
assbot |
Tech Titans From Both Parties Get Behind Super PAC To End All Super PACs |
12:16 |
benkay |
some day. |
12:16 |
princessnell |
Peter Thiel getting behind campaign finance reform |
12:17 |
danielpbarron |
how can you even tell the cake is for a gay wedding? i'm guess it has two groom figurines on the top; is it against the law to have a rule that no cake may have two male figurines on top? |
12:17 |
danielpbarron |
or "the customer must buy the figurines separately and apply them himself" |
12:17 |
TomServo |
Isn't the real humor re: the gay cake the fact that this ruling occurred in a state in which gay marriage is illegal? |
12:18 |
Mats_cd03 |
that war chest needs about three more zeros to make a difference |
12:18 |
asciilifeform |
'GET /wallet.zip HTTP/1.1' from 46.36.222.156 port 49375', 'GET /bitcoin.zip...' [same], lol, is the tard on freenode? |
12:18 |
mike_c |
danielpbarron: you going to have a rule against black figurines on your cakes too? |
12:19 |
danielpbarron |
mike_c, I wouldn't, but would that be illegal? |
12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, i wonder if this is how usagi backups |
12:19 |
mike_c |
is discrimination illegal? generally, yes. |
12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
discrimination can't be illegal. |
12:20 |
danielpbarron |
how is that discrimination? the rule isn't no black customers; it's no black figurines |
12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
lol the kid shows promise |
12:20 |
chetty |
well its the {must have sensitiveity training' that gets me |
12:20 |
benkay |
wait hang on i figured it out |
12:21 |
benkay |
"don't transact with the masses" |
12:21 |
asciilifeform |
'GET /backups/'..., 'GET /btc/'..., 'GET /safe/'..., 'GET /backup.zip'..., 'GET /.svn/entries' << lol! |
12:21 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron, it will be argued that it is in fact discriminatory on the racist presumption that it disproportionately affects black customers, as if they absolutely have to have black figurines on their wedding cake. |
12:21 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why all this nonsense is so funny, all the racism involved in the arguments against discrimination. |
12:22 |
mike_c |
danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks. |
12:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02513275 = 0.2513 BTC [-] |
12:23 |
chetty |
I once had to go to a racism class when I was pregnant, some derp said something about pregnant and barefoot women in the kitchen so I took my shoes off and said 'which way?' |
12:24 |
moiety |
ok moving time, see yous later! |
12:24 |
Naphex |
hey xmj troll me with some marketing voodoo about startups i am in the mood:) |
12:24 |
danielpbarron |
just to clarify, I don't have a problem with blacks, but so what? if you don't like that someone hates blacks then don't do business with them |
12:24 |
danielpbarron |
nobody is entitled to the service of having a wedding cake made for them |
12:25 |
mike_c |
"so what" is that a lot of people don't find racism/sexism/homophobia something to simply be ignored. |
12:25 |
mike_c |
because then you end up with half your country owning slaves. |
12:25 |
danielpbarron |
a lot of people do really stupid things |
12:25 |
chetty |
well we have lost 'we reserve the right to refuse service' |
12:25 |
davout |
danielpbarron: in france we have this "refus de vente" offense, you can't just select your customers if you're selling to the general public |
12:25 |
danielpbarron |
mike_c, what does slavery have to do with hating blacks?? |
12:26 |
danielpbarron |
mike_c, I am pro-slavery and I don't argue it from a racial point of view |
12:26 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: "which is why there should be no higher power than a baker" <<< such amen |
12:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00085472 = 14.1029 BTC [-] |
12:26 |
asciilifeform |
over here, 'right to refuse service' is alive and well in... pubs. it is permitted when based on particular clothing. which the 'untermenschen' helpfully insist on wearing. |
12:27 |
xmj |
Naphex: yawn |
12:27 |
Naphex |
funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^ |
12:27 |
xmj |
now i get shat on for describing reality. ffu |
12:27 |
xmj |
Naphex: troll someone else |
12:28 |
danielpbarron |
yeah, clubs in NYC turn you away for having the "wrong shoes" which some argue is vailed racism (they are basically saying, blacks don't have nice shoes) |
12:28 |
Naphex |
what about rapppers? |
12:28 |
fluffypony |
I like wrap |
12:28 |
xmj |
Naphex: I've made the same experiences, fwiw. once they notice you're about to spend decent cash.. attire is secondary |
12:28 |
davout |
asciilifeform: i guess it's not really comparable (we have that too in france, you need to be dressed up to get into nightclubs), thing is, the "dressed-up" criteria is based on measurable things that are laid out beforehand, not on whether oyu like or dislike someone |
12:28 |
Naphex |
http://www.bet.com/news/fashion-and-beauty/2012/04/11/fab-or-fail-jeremy-scott-gorilla-adidas-as-seen-on-amber-rose-and-a-ap-rocky/_jcr_content/featuredMedia/newsitemimage.newsimage.dimg/041112-fashion-beauty-2-chainz-gorilla-adidas-shoes.jpg those some nice shoes |
12:29 |
asciilifeform |
davout: not quite the same thing. it's 'no caps', 'no pants with wide bottoms', etc. rather than 'must have civilized suit' |
12:29 |
davout |
asciilifeform: yeah but it's measurable and not based on *who* wears the clothing |
12:29 |
asciilifeform |
the folks for whom these items are mandatory, 'national' clothing stay out. and don't seem to complain. |
12:30 |
benkay |
go once, conform to rules, make friends, spend money, return wearing cap. no problems. |
12:30 |
Naphex |
see benkay knows how to infiltrate |
12:31 |
davout |
i mean, the whole baker thing sounds pretty retarded anyway, if i went to a baker that refuses jews i wouldn't insist on giving him business |
12:31 |
Naphex |
:))) |
12:31 |
asciilifeform |
davout owns a time machine? |
12:31 |
davout |
asciilifeform: yes, designed by apple in california |
12:31 |
davout |
:D |
12:31 |
chetty |
davout, but thats the point, they do it to push agenda, not to get cake |
12:32 |
davout |
fucking gayminists |
12:34 |
fluffypony |
gomunists |
12:36 |
mike_c |
you assholes got my bp up. who needs coffee. |
12:36 |
mike_c |
http://xkcd.com/386/ |
12:36 |
assbot |
xkcd: Duty Calls |
12:37 |
davout |
mike_c: word |
12:37 |
xmj |
infiltration is piece of cake :) |
12:38 |
xmj |
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/access_mod.html << very good short story. |
12:38 |
assbot |
Access |
12:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Mats_cd03: You know the other planes that have the same paint job, but are no where near the president's location in the world |
12:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, /, is the suck. They traded my link for abc news |
12:42 |
TomServo |
BingoBoingo: That's weak. |
12:43 |
TomServo |
BingoBoingo: "if-it's-not-money,-it's-close-enough-for-government-work dept." are those your words? |
12:45 |
BingoBoingo |
TomServo: Nah |
12:48 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
12:48 |
atcbot |
3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 48k@141 25k@141 100k@140 |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
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12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
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mircea_popescu |
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12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ycombinator needs to fucking stop sending stuff. |
12:50 |
fluffypony |
for a moment I was hoping that was on the forum |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
Mats_cd03: mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b58 i dont see the funds https://blockchain.info/address/17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR << looking into this. |
12:55 |
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12:55 |
assbot |
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12:56 |
assbot |
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12:57 |
benkay |
<Naphex> see benkay knows how to infiltrate // it's a joo |
12:57 |
benkay |
<Naphex> see benkay knows how to infiltrate // it's a joo thing |
12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: your bits are too slow << URBITS! |
12:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 205 @ 0.00387492 = 0.7944 BTC [-] {7} |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
<mike_c> danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks. << how serious are you ?! |
12:59 |
mike_c |
well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines? |
12:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.003801 = 0.1596 BTC [-] |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
<mike_c> because then you end up with half your country owning slaves. << to the great benefit of all those involved. |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
<Naphex> funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^ << this guy has a real cash fetish :D |
13:01 |
Naphex |
i don't |
13:01 |
Naphex |
other people do |
13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, i dunno dood, maybe you don't like the ingredients that have to be used to make it be black. |
13:02 |
Naphex |
i like bitcoins:D |
13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
it's such nonsenbse this, that your particular meaning is somehow part of objects now. |
13:03 |
mike_c |
not part of objects, part of behavior. |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
every culture is free to create its own set of names for the constellations wtf. |
13:03 |
chetty |
hey they can even draw new ones if they like, dont change the stars |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, you against flag burning too ? |
13:04 |
mike_c |
no |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
so legt me get this straight |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
if i make two paper figurines, one black, one red-white aqnd burn both |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
your bp is going up over a selective subset of this ? |
13:05 |
mike_c |
thinking.. |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"behaviour" is a cop out. the tendency is to put meaning into objects, which is a task for they who've hunted snipes successfully. |
13:07 |
mike_c |
some people "hate americans" and act accordingly. I think this is retarded, but it doesn't upset me. some people "hate homos" and act accordingly, yet this does upset me. |
13:07 |
mike_c |
perhaps this is inconsistent. |
13:07 |
Naphex |
well i hate people who hate animals |
13:07 |
Naphex |
and act accordingly |
13:07 |
Naphex |
and i act accordingly when i see people acting accordingly to hating animals |
13:07 |
danielpbarron |
<+mike_c> well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines? << there needn't be any other reason; is it my business or not? |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
it goes much deeper than that mike_c. some years ago, in the days of the johnny cash, trolls burned the flag much to the dismay of the right "silent majority", which was mocked by the progressive left. |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile that progressive left has ossified into a "silent majority", and... well... trolls are burning black men much to their display. |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
if this isn't a sad exercise into becoming everything you've hated about the stupidity of your parents |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno what would be. |
13:09 |
mike_c |
so what's your point? that I shouldn't care about other people's idiocy? or is it that it isn't stupid to be racist/homophobic. |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
at any raqte, the notion that anyone burned the flag "because they hated america" was so fucking ridiculojus back then |
13:09 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: You just might win the Halep bet |
13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
quite obviously everyone did it to piss off the people who get pissed off by these things |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, my point is that you can't pretend like meaning is immanent. it's not. |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo, W00t |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
where 00 are b00bies |
13:10 |
BingoBoingo |
I thought she lost them, because they were holding her back |
13:10 |
BingoBoingo |
http://fairplaydeprahova.altphel.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/simona-halep-pic-getty-568887852-396666.jpg |
13:10 |
danielpbarron |
why is racism always lumped in with hating homosexuals, and why is hating homosexuals lumped in with homophobia? I'm not afraid of them, lol |
13:10 |
mike_c |
but there often is meaning. flag burning is dumb. but refusing service based on race/gay/sex does have meaning. |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
so she's going to 4ever be remember as that nigger that didn't need em to have em :D |
13:11 |
BingoBoingo |
I mean she's now two wins away from the trophy or whatever the fuck they play over. |
13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, seems a distinction devoid of difference, entirely made out of your own interest. |
13:12 |
BingoBoingo |
http://tennis.si.com/2014/06/03/simona-halep-french-open-quarterfinals/ |
13:12 |
assbot |
Photos: Is Simona Halep the most graceful player on the women’s tour? | Beyond The Baseline |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit she has it all huh. |
13:12 |
chetty |
why would it matter to you what some other person thinks? (random person, not friend or anything) |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty, because you're insecure about your pile of unexamined groupthink items. |
13:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00085472 = 12.8208 BTC [-] |
13:13 |
danielpbarron |
because the lgbt movement isn't about rights; it's the opposite: it's about forcing acceptance on others |
13:13 |
mike_c |
100 people go lynch a black guy. yes, 20 of them only did it because of peer pressure, but 80 of them did do it because they hate/fear/whatever blacks. |
13:13 |
danielpbarron |
"you better at least pretend to like gays.. OR ELSE." |
13:13 |
mike_c |
that doesn't mean there was no meaning to any of it. |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, it means you can't count on it tho. |
13:14 |
mircea_popescu |
do people killing rats hate rats for that matter ? |
13:14 |
mike_c |
sure, i can't count it. but fuck those 20 guys who did it for dumb reasons too. |
13:14 |
mircea_popescu |
like say an exterminator. |
13:14 |
danielpbarron |
exterminators probably love rats |
13:15 |
chetty |
haha well if you live in DC rat killing is not allowed |
13:15 |
mike_c |
bad analogy. killing rats and/or manuls means nothing. |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
oic |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
anbd you get to decide which objects carry meanin and which don't and what it is ? |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
what are you, like the mp of creation ? |
13:15 |
mike_c |
what's the other option? you don't get to assign meaning to anything? |
13:15 |
mike_c |
"i'm not god, so whatever" |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
you get to do it for yourself, |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
leave some space for the rest of the world. |
13:18 |
mike_c |
sure, like you left some space for romanians by leaving. you also wrote a blog post telling them they suck on the way out. |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
god help us if i happen to think xmj is stupid and xmj happens to think i shouldn't happen to think that. what's that gonna yield, a law against thinking xmjs are stupi ? enacted by ycombinator ? |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
this is why there shouldn't be a greater power than a baker in the first placre. |
13:19 |
xmj |
what is wrong with mircea_popescu |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, i told them they suck while there, too. you don;t know about it because i told THEM |
13:19 |
xmj |
he's deluded. |
13:19 |
pankkake |
how old are you xmj? |
13:19 |
xmj |
27 today. |
13:19 |
midnightmagic |
happy birthday |
13:19 |
mike_c |
hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree. |
13:20 |
pankkake |
I was already grumpy at 27 |
13:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00085895 = 7.6876 BTC [+] {2} |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
not that far. i;m merely pointing at a certain bit of nonsense you seem to have accidentally swallowed |
13:20 |
xmj |
oh i do agree with that. |
13:20 |
xmj |
pankkake: i think mircea_popescu is stupid for thinking i'm stupid for describing reality as it is. |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
by the time there's laws directing the proper behaviour in bakeries the discussion as to whether the state failed or succeedded is moot |
13:20 |
xmj |
go work for a few venture capital-funded startups. |
13:20 |
xmj |
you'll see what i mean. |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
both states having collapsed into a singularity. |
13:21 |
pankkake |
it looks like a misunderstanding like only the internet can create |
13:22 |
Naphex |
lol |
13:22 |
xmj |
yeah, no |
13:22 |
Naphex |
xmj: man no matter what startup or the funding, knowing your shit is always good |
13:22 |
xmj |
he thinks i'm describing a should-state |
13:22 |
fluffypony |
http://aeon.co/magazine/world-views/does-america-need-to-make-english-its-official-language/ |
13:22 |
assbot |
Should English be the US official language? Eric C Miller Aeon |
13:22 |
Naphex |
and thinking about your hardware always counts |
13:22 |
xmj |
Naphex: Obviously. |
13:22 |
Naphex |
no matter what lean mean strategy you pull |
13:22 |
pankkake |
yes, that's what it seems |
13:23 |
Naphex |
and also, storing private data on hypervisors you don't control |
13:23 |
Naphex |
makes it insecure |
13:23 |
Naphex |
period |
13:23 |
Naphex |
so thats that with that argument |
13:23 |
pankkake |
can't we just stay meta? |
13:23 |
xmj |
Naphex: case in point: all startups here in estonia i've heard of do not buy hardware but use aws/rackspace/... |
13:23 |
Naphex |
xmj: and that is in no way a good thing |
13:23 |
Naphex |
they may do that, they may thing its correct |
13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
lol looks like Naphex got his wish |
13:23 |
xmj |
AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee. |
13:23 |
Naphex |
but it is not |
13:24 |
xmj |
jo |
13:24 |
Naphex |
+xmj> AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee. |
13:24 |
Naphex |
why not do everything yourself? |
13:24 |
xmj |
(now that's for smaller ones between 10 and 20 people) |
13:24 |
chetty |
I think I just got a new curse word - consensus |
13:24 |
xmj |
Naphex: because it's not part of the "core business" and you don't get seed-funded to do that. |
13:24 |
xmj |
in other words.. don't ask me |
13:24 |
xmj |
ask their COOs |
13:25 |
asciilifeform |
wait was someone seriously arguing for the merits of 'cloud' crapola ?! |
13:25 |
mike_c |
xmj: what percentage of these companies fail? |
13:25 |
Naphex |
what do i care about their co's |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, it;s unclear yet. |
13:25 |
chetty |
remember: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpTQOM4CAAEndo0.jpg |
13:25 |
xmj |
mike_c: Most :) |
13:25 |
Naphex |
but don't just go about hosting bitcoins on vps's |
13:25 |
* |
asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here |
13:25 |
Naphex |
and tell customers they're secure |
13:25 |
mike_c |
most = what? > 90%? > 99%? |
13:25 |
xmj |
probably somewhere like that |
13:25 |
xmj |
i could pull numbers out of my ass |
13:25 |
mike_c |
so why the hell would you be pushing their shitty methodology? |
13:25 |
xmj |
you might just as well read some techcrunch |
13:26 |
xmj |
mike_c: again, I'm not |
13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
* asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here << we'll get the cardano once b-a becomes boring |
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13:26 |
xmj |
mike_c: I describe what I see people doing without value judgment. |
13:26 |
asciilifeform |
lul |
13:27 |
Naphex |
one day a bored aws admin will grep for private keys :) |
13:27 |
* |
chetty now applying for admin job pls |
13:28 |
Naphex |
or lol |
13:28 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
13:28 |
Naphex |
grep for walletpassphrase (*.) |
13:28 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 649.4, vol: 18742.35969948 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 637.0, vol: 12842.89905 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 650.58, vol: 27676.79113624 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 663.99, vol: 22.30524757 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 643.7664, vol: 7005.07430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 644.15564, vol: 64.15305076 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 652.944, vol: 88.08421187 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) |
13:28 |
BingoBoingo |
;;more |
13:28 |
gribble |
646.905240805 |
13:28 |
Naphex |
and wallet.dat |
13:28 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
13:28 |
atcbot |
3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 47k@141 25k@141 100k@140 |
13:28 |
xmj |
what could possibly go wrong haha |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex, you saw the earlier lines from asciilifeform ? bitcoin.zip etc |
13:29 |
xmj |
if you must back it up in teh cloud, at least use tarsnap. |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
for that matter, am i the only one old enough to remember the reason we don't use linode ? |
13:29 |
mike_c |
i remember the why, but not the who. |
13:30 |
pankkake |
I remember and I had 0 bitcoins at the time even |
13:30 |
pankkake |
another "wtf are those kids doing" moment |
13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, slush and bitcoinica. |
13:30 |
kakobrekla |
instawallet ? |
13:30 |
mike_c |
the answer to everything is bitcoinica :) |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction" << it wasn't a conviction. more like "the sec spent 150k for bitcoin people to go "here's a dime go buy something nice for yourself and stfu"" |
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13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla, nah you recall the breach when a linode emplooyee just ran off with th ewallets |
13:31 |
danielpbarron |
<+mike_c> hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree. << you think people should be free to commit acts of sodomy; I am *sure* I don't agree. Which one of our sensibilities is more valuable? My solution is: you enforce your anti-racist w/e on your property, and I'll enforce my anti-homo w/e on mine. |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and linode first lied about it, then offered people a 1 month free coupon |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
slush ended up covering 4k from pocket |
13:32 |
pankkake |
lol I didn't know about the employee and the coupon. golden |
13:33 |
mike_c |
danielpbarron: you own any apple products? |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
this was before wallets were encrypted by the reference client |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
!up gabriel_laddel |
13:33 |
Naphex |
man people who host on vps will host their .bash_history and wallet code there as well |
13:33 |
Naphex |
encrypted will do no help |
13:33 |
pankkake |
https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/asslyrics/src/1629355dd29c480be17f86fbe349f903173ef855/hotelbitcoinica.txt?at=master btw |
13:33 |
assbot |
pankkake / asslyrics / source / hotelbitcoinica.txt — Bitbucket |
13:33 |
Naphex |
cause you can get they key |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex, that too. |
13:34 |
pankkake |
if it's on a virtual instance, you can just inspect the memory |
13:34 |
Naphex |
why bother |
13:34 |
danielpbarron |
<+mike_c> danielpbarron: you own any apple products? << ya; my iPhone is the first and last apple crap i'll ever buy |
13:34 |
asciilifeform |
'some learn from book; others, from example; the rest must piss on the electric fence personally' |
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13:34 |
mike_c |
good thing, can't be giving more money to tim cook. |
13:35 |
danielpbarron |
mike_c, everyone is disgusting; I hate everyone. I wouldn't do business with anyone if that were my criteria |
13:35 |
mike_c |
:) |
13:35 |
mike_c |
</rant> |
13:35 |
gabriel_laddel |
mike_c: yo: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2008%20Med%20Hypotheses.pdf |
13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron, why so angry ? |
13:36 |
danielpbarron |
mircea_popescu, heh i'm not angry; it's Biblical hatred |
13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ic |
13:36 |
danielpbarron |
all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God |
13:37 |
diametric |
is this guy for real, i can't recall that nick before. |
13:37 |
mike_c |
oh he's serious. you should see when him and Luke-Jr get going. |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
god damned usb conventions |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i have 8 cabloes here, and im not even sure i got one for each case ;/ |
13:38 |
diametric |
universal indeed |
13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
diametric, yeah what mike said |
13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
so fucking universal it could be an endangered species for its universality. |
13:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://www.okokchina.com/Files/uppic23/Sell%20USB%20Universal%20Tool%20Bag_Computer%20Usb%20Cable%20Kit286.jpg << example of pill against this |
13:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02124 = 0.1487 BTC [-] |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
sigh |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google DE .5 gold plated |
13:40 |
gribble |
Engagement Rings: Buy Engagement Rings in Jewelry at Sears: <http://www.sears.com/jewelry-wedding-engagement-jewelry-bridal-jewelry-engagement-rings/b-1327352579>; AuroDur Datasheet - RfMW: <http://www.rfmw.com/Rosenberger_AuroDur_EN_070221.pdf>; Oscar De La Renta 24-Karat Gold-Plated Drop Earrings - Polyvore: (1 more message) |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
holi shyt. |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google Desert Eagle which is a .5 hand cannon designed for shooting the idiots that made this mess, gold plated |
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13:41 |
gribble |
No matches found. |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i blame mike_c |
13:42 |
mike_c |
;;google desert eagle .50 |
13:42 |
gribble |
Desert Eagle, .50 AE, Black - Magnum Research, Inc.: <http://www.magnumresearch.com/firearms/magnum-research-desert-eagle-50-ae-black.asp>; Desert Eagle .50 Cal One Handed - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVuRLztDljY>; My Wife -vs- the Desert Eagle .50 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJjaj7pXsA> |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ty. |
13:43 |
mike_c |
americans know how to find guns. |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, ^ there is another example. |
13:43 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
13:43 |
BingoBoingo |
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/03/26/115713_01_desert_eagle_50_ae_gold_tiger__640.jpg |
13:43 |
BingoBoingo |
^ cannon |
13:43 |
asciilifeform |
'eagle', as i understand, is among the more impractical small arms ever sold |
13:44 |
mike_c |
don't call it small, you'll make it mad |
13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, you've been lied to. |
13:44 |
asciilifeform |
wrist destruction machine |
13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not a fucking smg. |
13:46 |
asciilifeform |
reminds me of another peculiar american small arm, often seen in catalogues - the pocket m16. |
13:47 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.twncommunications.net/Other/ARPistol.jpg |
13:47 |
asciilifeform |
^ example |
13:47 |
fluffypony |
mike_c: you'll be pleased to know that I'm sticking to my iPhone, and will probably be getting the iPhone 6 when it comes out |
13:47 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
13:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 201 @ 0.0037249 = 0.7487 BTC [-] {7} |
13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this chan will be known in retrospect mostly by the abundance and insistence of heresy |
13:48 |
mike_c |
blech, get an android. i was just looking for ammo. |
13:48 |
asciilifeform |
never know when you might chance upon a rhinoceros. |
13:49 |
fluffypony |
in -otc: [19:47:39] ronkrt: Any investor types that would care to chat about a possible great investment op? |
13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust ronkrt |
13:49 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ronkrt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ronkrt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ronkrt | Rated since: Mon Jun 2 03:02:14 2014 |
13:49 |
fluffypony |
should I give him the support number and tell him he can phone to learn how to IPO? |
13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
let's not troll moiety too much |
13:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Rhinocerous http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/03/29/the-577-tyrannosaur/ |
13:50 |
assbot |
The .577 Tyrannosaur | Shall Not Be Questioned |
13:50 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: neato! have you tried it? |
13:50 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: No. But seems to be actual anti Rhinocerous weapon. |
13:52 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google .700 Nitro Express |
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13:52 |
gribble |
.700 Nitro Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.700_Nitro_Express>; 700 Nitro Express - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D41NYBHkb9M>; Cameron fires the .700 Nitro Express - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTKFnThh6Q> |
13:52 |
BingoBoingo |
^ Moar innovation |
13:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Actually and English one http://www.vincelewis.net/700.html |
13:53 |
assbot |
700 NITRO EXPRESS RIFLE |
13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard << isn't this sexist ? shouldn't it be fatherboard ? |
13:54 |
mike_c |
personboard |
13:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/13481/13752380_1.jpg?v=8CF480C988D3E10 |
13:54 |
asciilifeform |
why settle for half-measures. |
13:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Very good question |
13:56 |
asciilifeform |
there used to be surplus 'lahti' (finland) on u.s. market |
13:56 |
asciilifeform |
no idea what happened to that |
13:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/L39.jpg |
13:57 |
asciilifeform |
20mm |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
14:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0738486 = 0.2954 BTC [+] |
14:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02108045 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {4} |
14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: |
14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
"The SECs investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures." << wtf that's a quote ?! |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake: it's weird to name yourself bitcoinwoman << about as weird as bitcoingirl. kinda lulzy how female identity is constructed in th eeng;lish space |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
"you know pete ? well im like pete, but a woman" |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
or, "i'm the woman with pete" |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
etc. |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ultimate derivative product. |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
at least derpy guys understand that bitcoinman doesn't work, so they go for bitcoinjezuz instead |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess since there are no famous or remarkable women in history, women can't do the same thing. wtf is bitcoinmarymagdalene. |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
and so that's the gripe with patriarchy : it gave it easy to guys. there we go, i now understand 4th wave feminism. |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
they're butthurt that guys can go "bitcoinjesus" but they have to go "bitcoingirl" |
14:23 |
mike_c |
bitcoinoprah? |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
she;s fat. |
14:24 |
mike_c |
only ever other season |
14:24 |
mike_c |
*every |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
what 20yo underfed white chick from milkaukee is going to indentify herself with a 60yo aretha franklin lookalike |
14:25 |
pankkake |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=639056.0 never stops to entertain |
14:25 |
assbot |
HEDGE FUND BTC |
14:25 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Arethra doesn't look Oprah bad |
14:25 |
pankkake |
bitcoinjoanofarc |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i can't tell black people apart because i'm racist. |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
they all look the same to me. |
14:26 |
pankkake |
can you tell koreans apart? |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
only by height. |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"I'm the owner Hedge Fund BTC list today in BitcoinBourse ticker HFB and Hedge Fund LTC list today in LitecoinInvest ticker HFLTC. Today BitcoinBourse change terms for merchants. I consider than are unacceptables." |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
(i;m an asshole, i can't tell most people apart. also i'm famous for thinking most women are blonde etc) |
14:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Wait, is dotcoin complaining about himself nao? |
14:27 |
pankkake |
bitcoinbourse is also female |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
that's bitcoinpourse |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
different. |
14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
(can you tell them apart ?) |
14:27 |
mike_c |
nobody can tell other races apart. your brain is wired from childhood to be sensitive to distinctions in your own race's facial features. |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i can tell jews apart... |
14:28 |
mike_c |
then you got some of that blood in you somewhere |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
im sure some grandmother musta fucked a nigger at some point, what's this. |
14:30 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: bitcoinnoether? |
14:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16546 @ 0.00085615 = 14.1659 BTC [-] {3} |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, no see, they'd have had to read to know that. like, books |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
what good is it if you gotta work for it. |
14:31 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ok bitbet payments should have b4een caught up |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
If BitcoinBourse don't reconsiders her new maintenance fees perhaps we need to any of this: |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
- Migrate to any other exchange. |
14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
o noes, what do they charge now ? |
14:35 |
Naphex |
Bitcoin is money for internet. Internet money good. Buy some. Price go up. You spend. Everyone happy. |
14:35 |
Naphex |
" " |
14:35 |
Naphex |
forgot the quotes |
14:35 |
punkman |
Naphex: who's that |
14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
tarzan. |
14:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00085239 = 34.7775 BTC [-] |
14:38 |
Naphex |
some guy from reddit |
14:38 |
Naphex |
just foind it funny |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
in unrelated news, the wikiwagen seems to have vanished from the vacant lot it lived in, on my street. not long after i last mentioned it here. |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_10_20/Anonymous-is-engaged-in-a-battle-for-truth-over-evil-Christine-Ann-Sands-0846 |
14:38 |
assbot |
Anonymous is engaged in battle for truth over evil Christine Ann Sands - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video |
14:38 |
asciilifeform |
^ purported interview with owner |
14:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://anonomobile.com |
14:40 |
assbot |
ANONOMOBILE | Anonymous Mobile Unit | Government Transparency Intelligence Task Force |
14:40 |
asciilifeform |
^ honeypot on wheels |
14:40 |
punkman |
lol |
14:41 |
punkman |
"God has appointed Anonymous and WikiLeaks to reveal the truth and Occupy to guard it. John 8:32" |
14:41 |
punkman |
so they are into god now? |
14:41 |
asciilifeform |
check out the pr0n in the comment thread |
14:42 |
asciilifeform |
poor woman, seems like the shitter in the van doesn't work. there's a portable latrine on the grounds. |
14:43 |
bitstein |
;;later tell bitcoinpete This one's dedicated to you: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/474257865360678913 |
14:43 |
assbot |
"Hi, I'm Dr Steve Brule with BitAngels. Wanna make some money with your cool bit-Coins? Buy /hashtag/MaidSafe?src=hash, ya dummies!" http://t.co/V9JrwDyGGe |
14:43 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
14:44 |
asciilifeform |
a few days ago, i take an evening walk, see the place - no wikiwagen, the other (unmarked) bus on the grounds also gone, two women poking at what looks like the remains of a ruined bicycle. |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
bitstein, can you translate for the slow ? |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, you don't have enough experience to recognise a symbian once it's been used by a progressive, i take it ? |
14:46 |
Naphex |
well |
14:46 |
Naphex |
steve brule |
14:46 |
Naphex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6a8dAGO1Uo |
14:46 |
assbot |
Brown's Day Care -Dr Steve Brule - YouTube |
14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex, is that anything like creme |
14:46 |
jurov |
selling rubbermaid? |
14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
? |
14:46 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: symbian, the dumbphone os ? |
14:46 |
asciilifeform |
a bit lost here |
14:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google symbian, the machine that'll fuck any fatty. |
14:46 |
gribble |
News - hestengen-dressage.dk: <http://hestengen-dressage.dk/GB/News.aspx?accb0da0bb1511df851a0800200c9a67=1&newsId=63&backText=Return>; The six best fitness apps :: Men's Health: <http://www.menshealth.co.uk/living/gear/the-six-best-fitness-apps>; Croatian Aristocracy: Royals: <http://croatianaristocracy.blogspot.com/2000/10/royals.html?showComment=1401659913886> |
14:46 |
asciilifeform |
sybian. |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
letters, they're all the same. |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
why discriminate. |
14:47 |
asciilifeform |
i must confess, didn't knock on the door of the wagen, didn't see if one was installed. |
14:47 |
bitstein |
mircea_popescu, just watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UyIUcF57js&index=3&list=PL89BD7F7EC13090C8 |
14:47 |
assbot |
Keep 'Em Outside | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim - YouTube |
14:47 |
asciilifeform |
i do wonder as to the objective: poor lamer knocks on the door, invited for tea, vivisected ? |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
just bored to death i bet. |
14:47 |
asciilifeform |
didn't care to find out |
14:48 |
Naphex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g31nLatyci4#t=395 watch and see a huge peter schiff having a brainfart |
14:48 |
assbot |
Buying Gold With Bitcoin Just Got Easier - YouTube |
14:48 |
Naphex |
on the value of bitcoin |
14:49 |
Naphex |
"the people made gold money, not the goverments" |
14:49 |
Naphex |
olol |
14:50 |
Naphex |
"and gold wouldn't have ever value if the people wouldn't have done that, but bitcoin has no value":o |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf derpage is this |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
of course the lord made gold money. |
14:50 |
bitstein |
Look at this innovative monetary technology you can get your hands on with Bitcoin now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cNwaA5sNr8 |
14:50 |
assbot |
Valcambi CombiBar - The New Gold Standard in Gold - YouTube |
14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the people were invented in 1797 what the fuck is this bullshit, "the people" |
14:52 |
asciilifeform |
'Once there was The PeopleTerror gave it birth; Once there was The People and it made a Hell of Earth. Earth arose and crushed it. Listen, O ye slain! Once there was The Peopleit shall never be again!' - mr k |
14:53 |
Naphex |
so much bull from that peter schiff |
14:53 |
Naphex |
about legs |
14:53 |
Naphex |
and pulls |
14:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07150001 = 0.5005 BTC [-] |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
yoiu don't understand the knowledge. |
14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
btw, what's anyone think of the new trilema header ? |
14:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30392 @ 0.00085196 = 25.8928 BTC [-] {2} |
14:55 |
Naphex |
looks good |
14:55 |
Naphex |
staring down the crowd |
14:56 |
Naphex |
i wonder all the people who think you don't exist or are some anon troll, who do they think you place on the header pictures?:) |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ken slaughter. |
14:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.02128336 = 2.3412 BTC [+] {4} |
14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
alternatively, most of them can't read trilema because it is painful. |
14:59 |
mike_c |
trilema cookie bug? I re-cookied, I can read articles, but homepage keeps giving me paywall. credits are showing correctly in top right. |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, possibly, will examine. |
14:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665766 BTC [-] |
15:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.1950481 = 0.3901 BTC [-] |
15:01 |
mike_c |
i like the new pic btw. the greenery is nice. |
15:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.195048 BTC [-] |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
a ty |
15:03 |
Naphex |
so.. if the difficulty adjusts itself to do sha256 for 10 minutes, isn't bitcoin backed by TIME? |
15:03 |
Naphex |
*woah* |
15:03 |
Apocalyptic |
*mind blown* |
15:03 |
Naphex |
someone should give that to the presses to annoy all silver/gold/money bugs |
15:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.194 BTC [-] |
15:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19850168 = 1.191 BTC [+] {2} |
15:05 |
Naphex |
so yeah maybe proof of work is the future future |
15:05 |
Naphex |
how else can you pack 10 minutes of yard work |
15:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19383404 = 0.3877 BTC [-] {2} |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
and time conquers all. |
15:08 |
Naphex |
nothing else more valuable |
15:09 |
danielpbarron |
14:54:18 <+mircea_popescu> btw, what's anyone think of the new trilema header ? << i kinda miss the monopoly one, even though all the later ones have looked better an an aesthetic sense |
15:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00085801 = 7.1532 BTC [+] {2} |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
they're in a rotation, it'll come back eventually. |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!up phlurker |
15:22 |
los_pantalones |
mircea_popescu how about this one? |
15:22 |
los_pantalones |
http://thebillfold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/scrooge_mcduck_math.jpg |
15:22 |
los_pantalones |
for a banner |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
a) it myust be 1024 wide ; b) i don't own the copyright |
15:23 |
los_pantalones |
oh damn your practical objections! |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
LOL |
15:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0728399 = 0.2185 BTC [+] |
15:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665809 BTC [+] |
15:30 |
Naphex |
i have a question, why is XRP volume so high |
15:30 |
Naphex |
specifically for Justcoin for example |
15:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665852 BTC [+] |
15:30 |
Naphex |
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ |
15:30 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Charts / Markets |
15:31 |
fluffypony |
Naphex: dumpers gotta dump? |
15:31 |
Naphex |
no it was high before as well |
15:32 |
mike_c |
24h volume is 16 btc, is that high? |
15:32 |
mike_c |
<< knows little about ripple |
15:32 |
Naphex |
mike_c: their BTCEUR volume is 12 |
15:32 |
Naphex |
and its consistently higher then BTCEUR |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, fixed ? |
15:33 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu: fixed. |
15:33 |
Naphex |
i don't care about ripple, but kept noticing it and wondered if they pump the volume on exchanges that accept XRP or what |
15:33 |
Naphex |
i don't see much interest in xrp anyway and all the news i bet didn't help |
15:37 |
* |
mircea_popescu reloads http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ for the 5th time today |
15:37 |
assbot |
F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha |
15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo: wasn't there a wife too? << yeah lol. she wanted me to not condescend her. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
princessnell: i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all. << by george, nell got it exactly. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
more consumers is pretty much the least needed thing, above more plastic containers even. |
15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake, https://unsee.cc/mabozise/ <<< hyou know this looks like a twink do you ? |
15:41 |
assbot |
Unsee — Free online private photo sharing |
15:42 |
pankkake |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang) lol |
15:42 |
assbot |
Twink (gay slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
15:43 |
pankkake |
when shaved I have a tendency to attract the gay. hard fail on "little or no body hair, and no facial hair" |
15:43 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony, "Maybe Goldman Sachs execs will be unemployed and busy holding an Occupy Bitcoin protest outside Andreas Tower." |
15:43 |
mircea_popescu |
dude it must be crazy to live in there. |
15:43 |
fluffypony |
lol |
15:43 |
mircea_popescu |
you;ve given my crew indigestion. |
15:44 |
fluffypony |
Andreas Tower is going to be awesome |
15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"derp. o god i can't read those comments." etc |
15:45 |
fluffypony |
right next to the Tsukino Usagi Center For Kids Who Can'T Backup Good And Want To Learn To Do Other Things Good Too |
15:45 |
Apocalyptic |
haha |
15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"Seriously? You should have taken those bastards to court. They have no jurisdiction. All you have done is pave the way for them to blackmail others in the future. I hope you're proud of yourself." |
15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently not even reddit takes kindly to erik these days. |
15:46 |
Naphex |
http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ba-3-9.jpg holy mother! |
15:47 |
fluffypony |
I don't get it |
15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ayup |
15:47 |
Naphex |
Romanian Christmas lights |
15:47 |
Naphex |
in Argentina |
15:47 |
fluffypony |
ah ok |
15:48 |
Naphex |
truly a wonder |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex, romania had major ties to argentina, going all the way back to peron's days. |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
la casa del transformador! |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
to this day you can see logan on the streets here (tho the renault assholes are branding it aqs renault not dacia) |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
and most of their oil drilling eq is ro made. |
15:48 |
* |
asciilifeform moves to ar, opens an 'Umformerschwitz' |
15:48 |
mircea_popescu |
:D |
15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
many regulars got their little offering in that article. |
15:50 |
pankkake |
hm, penguirker is too dumb and speaks before it can |
15:50 |
pankkake |
http://trilema.com/2014/we-continue-our-foray-into-distant-lands/ |
15:50 |
assbot |
We continue our foray into distant lands pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
well he's yoiung |
15:51 |
fluffypony |
so mircea_popescu |
15:51 |
fluffypony |
"This is a steak, and I’m etting it." |
15:51 |
fluffypony |
is that like Instagramming it? |
15:52 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
15:52 |
pankkake |
why can't we send steaks over the internet yet? |
15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
too late, it's already etted. |
15:52 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: you can, you just need Proof of Steak |
15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
but you have nfi what steaks are. |
15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
until you argentina. |
15:52 |
asciilifeform |
tiny motorcycles. what's petrol cost over there ? |
15:52 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow people think pork is tender than beef. |
15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
THEY ARE WORNGK |
15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, exactly the same as in the us, remarkably. |
15:53 |
asciilifeform |
what about mains? kw/h |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
argentina is a country with twice the population and three times the gdp of romania. |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, that's quite complex because of the multi layered social support systems htey use |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
it also varies a lot by where in the country. |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
commercial power from what i understand is about 4cents/kwh or so |
15:57 |
asciilifeform |
about 10c here |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
(in practice, more, after various 'fees') |
15:59 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers << you're trying to go back in time to 1995 so that you can work hard for 20 years, save a nd buy many bitcoin pizzas in 2010 ? |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
atcbot: |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 768307.81 in 858 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 329.60 |
16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
holky shit batman |
16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
didn't it just drop 60% ? what is this, stop and go miniung ? |
16:02 |
asciilifeform |
TaT blew a fuse? |
16:02 |
mike_c |
yup. pool hoppers pump up the diff, then leave, then come back when the diff drops again. |
16:03 |
BingoBoingo |
http://valleywag.gawker.com/beta-testing-clinkles-new-app-sounds-like-a-nightmare-1583452909/+sarah-hedgecock |
16:03 |
assbot |
Beta-Testing Clinkle's New App Sounds Like a Nightmare |
16:03 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes << a good title for once. |
16:03 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
16:03 |
atcbot |
3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 46k@141 25k@141 100k@140 |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c, ah, this is actually +ev because it allows them to select when to mine huh |
16:04 |
mircea_popescu |
the max 400% increase rule suddenly is very smart. |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
this behaviour should actually make atc trading very productive |
16:05 |
mircea_popescu |
up until miners buckle down and submit. |
16:06 |
BingoBoingo |
OMG Mircea spilled the sekrits |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ow sheit. |
16:06 |
mircea_popescu |
pls to not read loges everyone. |
16:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Now everyone is going to give shitcoins max increase rools and long adjustment times. |
16:08 |
mircea_popescu |
a woe is me. |
16:09 |
Naphex |
what is it with this youngin hackers. hacker got customer account, couldn't unlock it to send funds. decided to email support |
16:09 |
Naphex |
in russian |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today. << whay not. |
16:09 |
Naphex |
to manually approve it |
16:09 |
BingoBoingo |
PC1 will have to resort to selling Doge pelts to the chinese |
16:09 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Because they didn't make it explicit |
16:09 |
BingoBoingo |
%ticker |
16:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i dont tihnk they're allowed to. |
16:09 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 141 Ask: 170 Last Price: 141 24h-Vol: 203k High: 143 Low: 141 VWAP: 141 |
16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
(this is arcana, but from what i understand no agency with enforcing capacity is allowed to mention specifically any company outside of the context of bringing charges) |
16:10 |
mircea_popescu |
can't go "do it like x" |
16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
can only go "don't do y like x did" |
16:12 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: that is my new favourite quote << it's pretty acurate. the guy should be here, invite him. |
16:13 |
fluffypony |
;;later tell bitstein why isn't Daniel Krawisz on IRC? get him here! |
16:13 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety: ok i'll try and work it in << lol don't let these goons talk you into absolutely anything. you're a nice girl, but they need their spanking |
16:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/zrmHTMR,OzgNDNH#0 |
16:17 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
16:17 |
asciilifeform |
^ 'sola' is here |
16:17 |
asciilifeform |
loud little bugger |
16:18 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps he'll be a little less obnoxious when he gets new fans. |
16:18 |
mike_c |
seems big for 8 amps |
16:18 |
asciilifeform |
about the size of a breadbox. |
16:18 |
asciilifeform |
fits on a book shelf. |
16:19 |
mike_c |
ah. need to put a quarter on it :) |
16:19 |
mike_c |
looked bigger to me. |
16:19 |
asciilifeform |
same |
16:19 |
asciilifeform |
i was expecting something more like a 2 drawer filing cabinet |
16:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.0008587 = 46.0263 BTC [+] |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: |
16:29 |
mircea_popescu |
[ANN] [NAUT] Nautiluscoin - First Coin w/Stabilization Fund - Digishield << lawl. |
16:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose P1 hasn't happened yet. |
16:30 |
fluffypony |
such stablefund |
16:31 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/other/confirmed-case-in-texas.htm |
16:31 |
assbot |
CDC - Confirmed vCJD Case in Texas - Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD) |
16:31 |
Mats_cd03 |
14:26 <•pankkake> can you tell koreans apart? |
16:32 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea, interesting |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: tinkerers and people who know how to do things right are such incredibly disjoint groups << word. |
16:32 |
mircea_popescu |
!up alex_c |
16:32 |
Apocalyptic |
there was this "maladie de la vache folle" hype in french media a couple of years back |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i reclal |
16:33 |
mircea_popescu |
is la vache qui rit still a brand btw ? |
16:33 |
Apocalyptic |
hehe, it is |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
was [pretty lulzy at the height of the mad cow scare |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd give people triangles of french velveeta |
16:34 |
mircea_popescu |
with a laughing cow on it |
16:35 |
Mats_cd03 |
yes. the men wear tight pants |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c: it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling << it is. |
16:36 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
soon it will start controlloing the price of electricity. |
16:37 |
chetty |
Last of the original Navajo Code Talkers, Chester Nez, died today at 93 |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
zee germanz never actually managed to figure out navajo did they |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
dub: similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation << seems credible. some sort of fetishism. |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/Vqj7yuX |
16:40 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
http://mivoltma.444.hu/assets/sites/23/2014/05/kuczynskigif1-animated.gif << excellent rendition. ty jurov |
16:41 |
asciilifeform |
^ first saw that one on orlov's page. i think he's friends with the artist. |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
infinite hitpoints, as a property of the environment not of the idiots. |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
seems intuitively correct. |
16:46 |
Naphex |
omg, this scammer even contacted acount owner |
16:46 |
Naphex |
to try to get him to approve withdrawal |
16:46 |
Naphex |
telling him he works for Btcxchange |
16:48 |
BingoBoingo |
http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/06/open-defecation-solves-the-child-mortality-puzzle-among-indian-muslims/ |
16:48 |
assbot |
Open defecation solves the child mortality puzzle among Indian Muslims | Ars Technica |
16:51 |
princessnell |
!up Daniel_Krawisz |
16:51 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
Hello. |
16:51 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
I heard someone was asking about me. |
16:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0716 = 0.358 BTC [-] |
16:51 |
princessnell |
fluffypony & mircea_popescu here's your man |
16:53 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
Do we do any role playing in here? |
16:54 |
Naphex |
lol russian hacker even subscribed customer youtube account to https://www.youtube.com/user/CrazyRussianHacker |
16:54 |
assbot |
CrazyRussianHacker - YouTube |
16:54 |
Naphex |
wtf :o |
16:54 |
fluffypony |
Daniel_Krawisz! |
16:54 |
fluffypony |
welcome |
16:55 |
fluffypony |
if your article on appcoins was an Instagram pic I would heart it or something |
16:55 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
Thanks! |
16:55 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
Are you a fan of My Little Pony? |
16:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02052 = 0.1642 BTC [-] |
16:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Daniel_Krawisz: He's the resident deviant |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
Daniel_Krawisz, o, you the guy with the quote ? |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
!up p10tr |
16:59 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
I was the person quoted in the Forbes.com article on MaidSafeCoin if that's the quote you meant. |
17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2014#700661 |
17:00 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
seems so yeah. welcome |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google the psychology of the bagholder |
17:01 |
gribble |
The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>; Martie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/03>; Current Market Psychology... : BitcoinMarkets - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1t25uo/current_market_psychology/> |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much the same concept. |
17:01 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
Thanks, I loved your thingy about the critical theory doctorates who had to clean the bus with their tits. It reminded me of Rabelais. |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
ha! well im flattered. |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
of all the people one can remind of... |
17:03 |
fluffypony |
Daniel_Krawisz: I'm not a MLP fan at all, I just got given this nick years and years ago and it stuck |
17:03 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
If I see text in red, does that mean only I can see it? |
17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
no it means you were named in it |
17:04 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
Oh ok. |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
most clients can be configured to also ding when that happens |
17:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-] |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot Daniel_Krawisz |
17:05 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Daniel_Krawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Daniel_Krawisz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Daniel_Krawisz | Rated since: never |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate Daniel_Krawisz 1 I remind him of Gargantua. |
17:05 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
tsk. |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta make one of those, then you can auto voice yourself. |
17:06 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
How do I get in the GPG database? |
17:07 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google bitcoin-otc wiki registration guide |
17:07 |
gribble |
Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>; GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication> |
17:08 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
Ok, thanks. |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Daniel_Krawisz, also, the entire length of endless discussion to date is to be found in |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
;;topic |
17:11 |
gribble |
http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the log one. |
17:13 |
BingoBoingo |
http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/Webpage_Auction_Monroe14_1492A.htm |
17:13 |
assbot |
Illinois Land For Sale Farmland Cropland Hunting |
17:13 |
Daniel_Krawisz |
Oh ok. |
17:13 |
BingoBoingo |
PUBLIC AUCTION - FORMER NIKE MISSILE LAUNCH SITE |
17:13 |
fluffypony |
nike missiles??? |
17:14 |
BingoBoingo |
fluffypony: It was a 1950's and 60's concept where incoming bombers would be brought down by short range nuclear missiles |
17:14 |
fluffypony |
ah, got excited about Nike's diversification program there for a moment |
17:15 |
BingoBoingo |
"The 14-acre site includes 3 underground concrete bunkers, each approximately 68 x 76 and 18 deep with 1010+- ceiling clearance. The 3 bunkers have 96 x 53'8 elevator pads which are operational." |
17:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Bunker: http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/DSC02476-w800-h600.jpg |
17:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Moar Bunker, with elevator loaded http://buyafarm.com/IL/Auction_Monroe14_1492A/IMG_3631-w800-h600.jpg |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo, entirely worthless in the us tho. |
17:17 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Sadly so. |
17:18 |
BingoBoingo |
!up paxtoncamaro91 |
17:18 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Still, would be a nice "workshop" setup if the location was better |
17:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19300043 BTC [-] |
17:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Large underground workspace with elevator apparatus capable of lifing vehicles, the industrial uses are endless |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
in an actual country. |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
in the us, the uses are inexistent. |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize. << wow that's an unexpected point. |
17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. << pretty much. a dangerous gambit, of course, as the world also goes about its business scarcely taking notice of their efforts. |
17:23 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Also to the CoinDesks, it is the only one. |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice << yeah, funny how that worked huh. |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: mp tells the sec to get stuffed, they shrug and then do exactly that << what did you expect'd happen ? a bureaucrat is perhaps the finest detector of who has the bigger stick in existence. |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
this made me cry with laughter - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27apui/why_i_will_store_on_coinbase/ |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
"I know most of you scoff at the idea of storing BTC on Coinbase, but I am not nearly as technologically inclined as most of you. Each storage suggestion I read looks to me like this: |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
1. Download armory and Electrum and run armory from an offline underground bunker. |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
2. double encrypt using Eorepadaeuium with 4 USB drives running Linux UEc.3f3.c2q1 |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
3. backup with Efekjwsf and wefkjlfe + qt and create a public key, private key, and semi-private key. |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
4. print private key and public key, but not semi-private key. Laminate printed copies and store in a vault along with 3 of the 4 USB drives. But be sure not to run EFkjlwef foeropwerk. |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
5. Use a submarine to bury the vault in the ocean. |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
6. A hacker who is %1000 times smarter than you is watching your every move and will steal all your bitcoin if you slip up. |
17:28 |
fluffypony |
More near computer illiterate people like be are going to be buying BTC, and Coinbase seems like the safer and simpler option." |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
these argentines are a muy festive people. |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony, i guess you just explained xapo's vp for asciilifeform too. |
17:29 |
Naphex |
probably needed |
17:29 |
Naphex |
to keep up morale |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex, either that or just incredibly lazy. |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, there's a mega band thing with drums and butt shakings marching down the street |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
as every other fucking day |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
you'd think you're in france with much better women. |
17:32 |
Naphex |
so what language are you speaking over there though? |
17:32 |
Naphex |
locals know english? |
17:32 |
Naphex |
https://i.imgur.com/BGN3YOD.gif |
17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
im fluent in spanish |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
lol great gif |
17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#701006 <<< ahahaha the great spammor. |
17:35 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
o such lulz that wikipedia is. |
17:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 109 @ 0.00208906 = 0.2277 BTC [+] |
17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint. << i thought i had a bad reputation. |
17:38 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: We're going off of actual actions and not Jimmothy and CiuCiu retellings |
17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
whoa ciuciu |
17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder under what name he's back |
17:39 |
BingoBoingo |
That's the fifty cent question |
17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i also wonder how long before i'll be the oldest guy in bitcoin, between people pulling the satoshi melt-in-mists trick on one hand and the 5years up to your room erik trick |
17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Vexual: |
17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold. << ahahaha SPLASHWISE! |
17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
that's gotta be a word now. |
17:40 |
Naphex |
depends on bitcoins growth |
17:40 |
Naphex |
really |
17:41 |
Naphex |
the question is, how long before you stop recognizing everyone |
17:41 |
Naphex |
and its just a sea of scams |
17:41 |
Naphex |
and scammers |
17:41 |
Naphex |
going in and out |
17:41 |
Naphex |
daily |
17:42 |
mircea_popescu |
that can't happen, i have a whole department working on it. |
17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
nao if only the sec would be making more definite steps towards halping |
17:43 |
Naphex |
:)) |
17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell Phinnaeus: I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse. << 2003 iirc. |
17:43 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
17:44 |
BingoBoingo |
I thought settling with Erik over GLBSE shennanigans was helping, they have quite the backlog of stuff to catch up on... Gigavps, Thermos, et al.. |
17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c: asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" << nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography. |
17:45 |
mike_c |
c'mon, you know ascii knows and just won't tell |
17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo, im not one to give last night's calves black eyes, but.... as you say, loing backlog. |
17:47 |
BingoBoingo |
I imagine a cycle stabilizing where MP shames securities scammer, SEC scoops them up months later. |
17:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Then in about 10 years the "community" notices this is a thing |
17:47 |
Naphex |
so why not turn that depratment and review into a service |
17:47 |
Naphex |
and do a bitsec |
17:48 |
Naphex |
after 1 year sell seals :)) |
17:48 |
Apocalyptic |
"nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography." wait |
17:48 |
Naphex |
mpsec approved |
17:48 |
Apocalyptic |
is this the question "is the discrete logarithm problem as hard as the factorization problem" ? |
17:49 |
Apocalyptic |
cause if so it has been proved afaik |
17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
not exactly |
17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex, i don't really perceive the benefit. |
17:50 |
Naphex |
same thing only condensed |
17:51 |
Naphex |
maybe as an experiment, who knows the benefit |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem with commodization is that it destroys quality. |
17:51 |
Naphex |
picking out the good from the bad should be a skill everyone has, but that ain't gonna happen |
17:51 |
mike_c |
Apocalyptic: there are also considerations around which curve you use. i believe certain curves are known to be weak. |
17:51 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, how so ? |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be |
17:51 |
Naphex |
well you compress it, and let people act based on a rating |
17:51 |
Naphex |
they can optimize but have errors |
17:51 |
Apocalyptic |
mike_c, indeed, i'm talking in curves over GF(p), with p prime |
17:52 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, Eric Bach wrote a paper about this |
17:52 |
Apocalyptic |
Bach proves: 1) If you can compute log. modulo $N$, you can factor $N$ 2) If you can factor $N$ and compute logs modulo each factor, then you can compute logs. modulo $N$ |
17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic, the question is more subtle than that. perhaps a better rendering would be "which of rsa, ec is more likely to have tiny pores we don't kjnow about" |
17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
such as a particularly easy to attack space etc. |
17:52 |
Apocalyptic |
but that's a different question |
17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
none of these considerations are wide berth issues such as bach's. |
17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
not that the result is unimportant, obv. |
17:59 |
Naphex |
mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work. |
17:59 |
Naphex |
enjoying the read |
17:59 |
mike_c |
thanks! |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah guy is making some serious inroads in post-btc journalism |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
!up decima` |
18:03 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/theyre-trying-teen-adult-size-genitals/ |
18:03 |
assbot |
Boy Sentenced To Jail Because of Large Penis |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
yay |
18:04 |
Apocalyptic |
<Naphex> mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work. // I concur |
18:04 |
diametric |
it boggles my mind xapo uses a 4 digit password. |
18:04 |
diametric |
it at least has 2FA for withdraw related activities |
18:04 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea, I see, my interpretation of "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" was different |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic, "in the general case" versus "in any practical case" |
18:05 |
Apocalyptic |
indeed |
18:06 |
fluffypony |
diametric: lolwut |
18:06 |
fluffypony |
"secure" |
18:06 |
diametric |
fluffypony: yeah. xapo authentication is your email + 4 digit "pin" |
18:07 |
diametric |
its 2014 ffs. |
18:07 |
fluffypony |
that seems needlessly retarded |
18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
2014 sounds like a great pin |
18:08 |
diametric |
the best of pins. |
18:08 |
diametric |
1234. 0000. 8008 is a classic as well. |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google "you'll feel those needles and pins" |
18:09 |
diametric |
i wonder if they implement captcha or ip banning on multiple failed attempts |
18:09 |
diametric |
or can i bruteforce this with a python script. |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
easy enough to test |
18:09 |
diametric |
yep |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: pins & needles now << you are pushing your sacral vertebra into your pudendal nerve |
18:11 |
Naphex |
Apocalyptic: but isn't ECDH safe from shor's attack? |
18:11 |
Naphex |
from lets say quantum computers |
18:11 |
Naphex |
thats why you do ECDH to factorize instead of just EC |
18:11 |
Apocalyptic |
ECDH isn't of big interest for bitcoin |
18:11 |
Naphex |
must've missed th epoint |
18:11 |
Apocalyptic |
ECDH is just a protocol for key exchange |
18:11 |
punkman |
ECDSA is what btc uses, ECDH is another thing |
18:11 |
Apocalyptic |
ECDSA is what bitcoin relies on |
18:11 |
punkman |
oh there ;) |
18:11 |
Naphex |
yeah sorry vertical reading sometimes fails |
18:11 |
gribble |
CHER LYRICS - Needles And Pins - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/cher/needlesandpins.html>; SMOKIE LYRICS - Needles And Pins - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/smokie/needlesandpins.html>; Cher - Needles & Pins Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/needles-pins-lyrics-cher.html> |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
great way to become functionally identical to any woman. |
18:14 |
Naphex |
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6021/bitcoin-is-not-quantum-safe-and-how-we-can-fix/ <- |
18:14 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Is Not Quantum-Safe, And How We Can Fix It When Needed Bitcoin Magazine |
18:14 |
Naphex |
off to sleep gn o/ |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety: this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it << if the us weren't out of money, it would habve been. |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
fortunately bollywood couldn't care less about western nonsense |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
they got their own |
18:15 |
punkman |
slenderman series: https://www.youtube.com/user/MarbleHornets |
18:15 |
assbot |
MarbleHornets - YouTube |
18:16 |
mike_c |
but how do we fix bitcoin when the aliens come? |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin does not practice safe sex and how to fix this pressing problem |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
it's also racist, privilegionist and anti-environmentalist. |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
how to fix these too. |
18:17 |
mike_c |
i think there's a t-shirt with the answer |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin is not pouring me another drink |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
how t ofix this problem. |
18:17 |
mike_c |
call moiety |
18:18 |
punkman |
bitcoin whiskey atm |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
how slender would she have to be to pour me drinks from under scotland's green pine tree |
18:19 |
fluffypony |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27bha5/i_did_a_worlds_first_hopefully/ |
18:19 |
assbot |
I did a world's first! ...hopefully :) : Bitcoin |
18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
did he get laid ? |
18:19 |
punkman |
yeah for 0.2btc |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus christ i nailed him. |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
how fucking hard was that. |
18:20 |
punkman |
that's a cheap hooker for amsterdam |
18:20 |
mike_c |
whoa, that could actually be a first |
18:20 |
mike_c |
including the part where he lost his virginity |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"What took more time, the sex or the transaction?" |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta love sa, they know their shit |
18:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.1930326 = 0.7721 BTC [+] {2} |
18:24 |
dub |
'i don't know how I can prove I was a virgin' - posting on reddit, uh |
18:24 |
fluffypony |
lol |
18:27 |
davout |
paying for sex with bitcoin is ok as long as you're not done before the transaction has confirmed |
18:27 |
punkman |
;;tblb 3600 |
18:27 |
gribble |
The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 13 minutes, and 54 seconds |
18:28 |
dub |
next, the first double spent virginity? |
18:28 |
davout |
the average human is the exact opposite of bitcoin |
18:28 |
davout |
has to wait at least 20 minutes before he can double spend |
18:29 |
davout |
i'll find my way to the door |
18:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02513 = 0.1759 BTC [+] |
18:30 |
dub |
heh |
18:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+] |
18:33 |
dub |
20 minutes is litecoin territory, theres at least 8 hours sleep between my blocks |
18:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+] |
18:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32190 @ 0.00086016 = 27.6886 BTC [+] {3} |
18:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02513 = 0.2513 BTC [+] |
18:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0245 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {3} |
18:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 49 @ 0.0038 = 0.1862 BTC [-] |
19:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
19:24 |
punkman |
https://bitbook.ie/ is this new? |
19:24 |
assbot |
bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting |
19:29 |
mike_c |
css isn't as good as bitbet |
19:29 |
punkman |
https://bitbook.ie/make_bets/abf97e24-ded0-42bb-832d-669e275cfdc8#4498ba71-a61c-436b-be67-b3da4715069e this page is just awkward |
19:29 |
assbot |
bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting |
19:30 |
davout |
no fee = big red flag |
19:30 |
punkman |
davout, "It's too early to monetize, but when we do, it will probably be through ads or affiliate programs." |
19:30 |
mike_c |
uh |
19:31 |
mike_c |
oh, they mean they will be the affiliate for other people |
19:31 |
davout |
o so because affiliates |
19:31 |
mike_c |
in other words, ads. |
19:31 |
davout |
next |
19:31 |
punkman |
yeah because when you got a working gambling operation, you want to send people to other places |
19:32 |
mike_c |
maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate |
19:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.00189152 = 0.2251 BTC [+] {4} |
19:43 |
punkman |
why is it that bitbet only does binary propositions? |
19:43 |
punkman |
tried the logs for previous discussion but couldn't locate |
19:46 |
mike_c |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2013#396301 |
19:46 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
19:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007202 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2} |
19:53 |
punkman |
so this bitbook guy is generating propositions automatically, and for some reason prefers to make N binary pools |
19:53 |
punkman |
seems retarded |
19:54 |
mike_c |
i wouldn't kill too many brain cells trying to figure it out. |
19:55 |
punkman |
how the fuck do you do parimutuel spread bets? |
19:56 |
mike_c |
same way.. just should be close to 50/50 |
19:56 |
mircea_popescu |
<punkman> https://bitbook.ie/ is this new? << prolly npot. |
19:56 |
assbot |
bitbook.ie | No-Fee Parimutuel Bitcoin Sports Betting |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
<mike_c> maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate << worth a shot. |
19:59 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: so what's the mindfuck with multi bets? I feel more mindfucked by trying to find N related bets |
20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
wait what ? |
20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll have to give me moar context. |
20:04 |
punkman |
see mike_c link above |
20:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20813118 = 0.8325 BTC [+] {2} |
20:05 |
punkman |
also a hypothetical, if you have a multibet and nobody bets on the winner, would the house take it? |
20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
seems you're illustrating it neh ? |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
calculating the odds becomes more complicated. also, "nobody" bets on a winner is impossible, bitbet seeds all bets. |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
but that aside, a parimutuel situatiuon where nobody bets on a possible outcome is not economically probable. |
20:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+] |
20:07 |
punkman |
yeah I suppose it'd make sense to throw tiny amounts at all unlikely winners |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
n owinner is unlikely. i mean, is a bet that nets you 10kx your bet unlikely at 9900:1 odds ? |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
+ev is +ev. |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway : in principle multibets should be reducible to multiples of single pair bets. |
20:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.02511 = 0.1507 BTC [-] |
20:19 |
punkman |
considering a 10-way or 30-way bet, that is sure more work for bitbet mods to seed correctly. So I guess we won't see multibets until there's just too many single bets covering the same events |
20:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02540226 = 0.381 BTC [+] {3} |
20:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1914 @ 0.00006496 = 0.1243 BTC [+] {10} |
20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high << actiually the entire "steal thje gold" 1930 thing was specifically and declaredly destined to "increase grai nprices" |
20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
even if through inflation. |
20:21 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman, why do you think it's harder to seed "correctly" ? |
20:22 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no corectness involved, bitbet doesn't make any effort whatsoever to split the seed correctly. |
20:22 |
punkman |
what you just flip a coin? |
20:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086112 = 12.1418 BTC [+] {2} |
20:26 |
punkman |
but besides that, wouldn't it be more work to approve 30 single bets than 1 30-way bet? |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
how ? |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't do it personally, and the mods just get to have fun. i hold no particular audit of their success. i guess some try to beat the game or w/e, i personally don't care, and that's where the incentive structure starts. |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
as long as management is concerned, seed bets just have to add up to .1 |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why they're seed bets. the idea is that the players will even it all out. |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
so far this idea has played out spectacularly well. |
20:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 66 @ 0.0254999 = 1.683 BTC [+] |
20:31 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20811233 = 0.8324 BTC [-] {2} |
20:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02052032 = 0.1436 BTC [-] {7} |
20:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47242 @ 0.0008587 = 40.5667 BTC [-] {2} |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW << dub is such a bland kowtow character |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i think when we finally enact the new world order we make him chairman of the fed. |
20:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20823162 = 0.8329 BTC [+] {3} |
20:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.20919621 = 3.9747 BTC [+] {5} |
20:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.21315383 = 2.771 BTC [+] {3} |
20:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.219 = 2.628 BTC [+] |
20:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0738483 = 0.8862 BTC [+] |
20:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.219 BTC [+] |
20:47 |
punkman |
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/06/want_to_buy_a_jail_never_used.html |
20:47 |
assbot |
Want to buy a jail, never used? Submit your proposal for Portland’s Wapato by June 4 | OregonLive.com |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/04/0059245/man-who-issued-securities-for-bitcoins-settles-with-sec << o look bingo made slashdot again |
20:49 |
assbot |
Man Who Issued Securities For Bitcoins Settles With SEC - Slashdot |
20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: This time though /. did that thing where they traded actual links for abc new |
20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
s |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
ya well. |
20:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26844 @ 0.00086133 = 23.1215 BTC [+] {2} |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
(hanbot was "WTF WHERE DO THEY GET OFF") |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
so i guess htey made at least one friend with the process. |
21:01 |
benkay |
wait am i reading the logs correctly? voorhees is only in trouble over the off-mpex 'ipo'? |
21:01 |
asciilifeform |
two things about this story puzzle me (confession: i never gave enough of a damn to keep track in real time...) - why nothing about satoshidice? only sued for a small part of the spam op profit and: why vorhees ponied up |
21:02 |
asciilifeform |
third, why did vorhees, having profited handsomely from sd, have to take to spam? |
21:02 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be // incidentally, this is why i love consulting. customers are typically n=1 where n trusts me and my boys to deliver - which we do. in spades. |
21:02 |
BingoBoingo |
benkay: That is correct |
21:02 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: That spam thing well preceeded S.DICE |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay, yea |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform, he had enough sense to listen to me when i told him how to do the buy back. |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
in general that ensures survival at a minimum. |
21:04 |
benkay |
huh well this makes me happy |
21:04 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0QNFWDJ.txt ) |
21:04 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
21:04 |
benkay |
perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
afaik everybody expected gasenwagen for vorhees, at least |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
for 'illegals casino' |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
and as to why he ponied up, probably bcause it's a laughably small sum, it gives the sec something it already had (i doubt any us citizen can sanely argue that th eauthority of the us govt and its agencies doesn't extend to him) |
21:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, he basically avoided the gasenwagen by buying them a BMW |
21:05 |
asciilifeform |
peculiarly cheap ransom |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
and closes his past (at the dubious cost of his next five years) |
21:05 |
benkay |
next five years how? |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
but i doubt he had much of a future as an issuer anyway, at least on the short term |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay, well because if he does an ipo now he'd be roughly in the situaiton of karpeles |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, "but you've signed here that you won't do this thing you're doing" |
21:07 |
* |
asciilifeform in the gasenwagen will offer to buy inquisitor a trabant |
21:07 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
<benkay> perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered << where'd you gather that ? reddit ? |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem isn't the us being inimical to btc. the problem is btc being inimical to the us. |
21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
this is like that case of a three year old that';s so far smarter and better than you that your only hope as a father is to slave and serve it on your knees |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really. |
21:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just a hard thing to grasp this, that the thing can't even walk and yet it's a dragon, which you aren't, will never be etc. |
21:12 |
benkay |
there are worse dragons to slave for. |
21:12 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really. // i'd love to hear this story sometime. |
21:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lol maybe the guy writes it sometime. |
21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
course these days people tend to make the converse mistake in their personal life |
21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
most kids aren't worth the hassle people put into them by a long shot. |
21:14 |
benkay |
"but if we just put the effort in, the kid will be!" |
21:14 |
benkay |
i'll be lucky if one of mine is qualified to and interested in taking on any position in my shop. |
21:15 |
benkay |
and i'll be not displeased with my work if they accept that they'll need to start at the bottom to boot. |
21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
21:15 |
Mats_cd03 |
lol |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
curious if you'll manage to get that past the missus, at any rate. |
21:18 |
benkay |
lady v, re starting as js-sweepers: "i'm sure." |
21:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18692 @ 0.00085878 = 16.0523 BTC [-] {2} |
21:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00086166 = 24.3419 BTC [+] |
21:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7563 @ 0.0008587 = 6.4943 BTC [-] |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
not now. later. |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
Subject: Bitcoin Match Fixing and the NBA Playoffs |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
From: "Bitcoin Betting Guide" <info@bitcoin-betting-guide.com> |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
such needed much helpful. |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
21:46 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 644.61, Best ask: 645.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 644.61, 24 hour volume: 13320.94152466, 24 hour low: 621.86, 24 hour high: 654.9, 24 hour vwap: 641.286188847 |
21:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02791009 = 0.2791 BTC [-] {2} |
21:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738482 = 0.2215 BTC [-] |
21:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00197 = 0.1793 BTC [+] |
22:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 97 @ 0.23595586 = 22.8877 BTC [+] {15} |
22:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.249 = 0.747 BTC [+] |
22:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0019989 = 0.1999 BTC [+] |
22:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2973 @ 0.00085847 = 2.5522 BTC [-] {2} |
22:21 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
22:21 |
atcbot |
2k@219 100k@205 10k@200 | 24k@141 34k@140 250k@140 |
22:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.0019989 = 0.1179 BTC [+] |
22:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052032 = 0.1026 BTC [+] {5} |
22:32 |
mike_c |
%diff |
22:32 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 715369.85 in 2016 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: 0.00 |
22:32 |
mike_c |
party's over |
22:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738483 = 0.2215 BTC [+] |
22:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.00200172 = 0.2702 BTC [+] {3} |
22:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0020669 = 0.1447 BTC [+] |
22:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.0020669 = 0.1467 BTC [+] |
22:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00208784 = 0.2088 BTC [+] {4} |
22:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0021 = 0.1071 BTC [+] |
22:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.0021 = 0.3129 BTC [+] |
22:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00086178 = 10.2242 BTC [+] |
22:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999984 = 0.15 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
23:12 |
TomServo |
http://bitbet.us/bet/715/the-chicago-blackhawks-will-win-the-2014-stanley/ |
23:12 |
assbot |
BitBet - The Chicago Blackhawks will win the 2014 Stanley Cup :: 0.06 B (33%) on Yes, 0.12 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 days 20 hours | weight: 1`965 (100`000 to 1) |
23:12 |
TomServo |
That should probably be resolved. |
23:25 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
23:26 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell Vexual What were you wondering about it? |
23:26 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
23:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11846 @ 0.00086178 = 10.2086 BTC [+] |
23:36 |
BingoBoingo |
!up vex |
23:36 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
23:39 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-planning-to-rub-up-against-strangers-wondering,36182/ |
23:39 |
assbot |
Man Planning To Rub Up Against Strangers Wondering Where Train Is Already | The Onion - America's Finest News Source |
23:41 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
23:41 |
atcbot |
100k@205 75k@202 10k@200 | 24k@141 34k@140 250k@140 |
23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google two chainz rap |
23:50 |
gribble |
2 Chainz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Chainz>; 2 Chainz | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/artists/2-chainz>; 2 Chainz – Birthday Song Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/2-chainz-birthday-song-lyrics> |
23:51 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2QKlmMT8II |
23:51 |
assbot |
2 Chainz - I'm Different (Explicit) - YouTube |
23:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0254999 = 0.204 BTC [+] |
23:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086178 = 8.1869 BTC [+] |
23:55 |
Vexual |
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23:55 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 715369.85 in 2016 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: 0.00 |