00:01 |
decimation |
I find the python3 vs python2 "war" amusing |
00:02 |
decimation |
several years ago the python "devs" decided to break the language "because it makes it better" |
00:02 |
decimation |
5 years later no one has jumped |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the mere thinkability of this kind of thing, re: a given system, is a sure test for braindamage |
00:03 |
decimation |
reminds me of the quote from Lawrence of Arabia about hubris: Prince Feisal: There's nothing further here for a warrior. We drive bargains. Old men's work. Young men make wars, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men. Courage and hope for the future. Then old men make the peace. And the vices of peace are the vices of old men. Mistrust and caution. It must be so. |
00:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [-] |
00:04 |
decimation |
What amazes me is the charmed path that Linux itself has taken |
00:05 |
decimation |
Linus would be nobility in another century |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
linux sorta takes us almost to the point we were in 1972. |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
except when you stop and think about the fact that virtually every 'linux box' is also running a number of embedded turds |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
(disk, i/o, display controllers, etc) |
00:06 |
decimation |
everyone's too busy to worry about that ascii |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
and then you envy the folks with the 'pdp' |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
it isn't even, as people like to think, a 'security' itch |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
it's about the fundamental impossibility of fully understanding wtf is actually taking place inside the box |
00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves phyrnius |
00:09 |
decimation |
Well, part of the reason is that it has become absurdly expensive to fab a chip |
00:09 |
decimation |
and the "business model" of "we own the IP" is all any company in the US has left |
00:10 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation> 5 years later no one has jumped << wait, the core devs of python, nobody gave a shit about them ?! |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
i actually see a future for machines built of discrete (yes, 74xxx & friends) logic. |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps the only future. |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
'but they say i'm mad' |
00:10 |
decimation |
yeah mircea, I think you can find a parallel in bitcoin :) |
00:11 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps after 'mad max', when a computer is no longer a cheap widget - but a _place_ - like the old church organs - people will give a fuck whether they work correctly |
00:11 |
decimation |
if Guido Van Rossum can be ignored by everyone, how much easier would it be to ignore the bitcoin devs? |
00:11 |
asciilifeform |
and whether the machine can be understood |
00:11 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation i'm just glad im not the only one aware of the damned thing. |
00:11 |
asciilifeform |
(because if it cannot be understood, it cannot be maintained) |
00:12 |
decimation |
there is wisdom in this |
00:12 |
asciilifeform |
imagine if 'la serenissima', old venice, had... a computer. what part of what we put up with, would they tolerate. |
00:12 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation btw, wasn't von rossum working with rice now ? |
00:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
mp it shows servers by country first |
00:13 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform they were actually sort-of trying to get the mechanical calculator going |
00:13 |
mircea_popescu |
more like a watchmaking angle tho |
00:13 |
decimation |
donno. la wik says he's polishing the dropbox turd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_Rossum |
00:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves pvp intl |
00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation that'd be it then. |
00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google rice dropbox |
00:14 |
gribble |
Protests Continue Against Dropbox After Appointment of ... - Bits: <http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/protests-continue-against-dropbox-after-appointing-condoleezza-rice-to-board/>; Dropbox Service: <https://dropbox.rice.edu/>; Dropbox users are angry that NSA-loving Condoleezza Rice has ...: <http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2014/04/dropbox-users-are-angry-nsa- (1 more message) |
00:14 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
00:14 |
decimation |
I thought they dropped her after the "controversy" |
00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
sort-of |
00:14 |
decimation |
as if it were controversial that some gov't bigwig were cashing out in industry |
00:15 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, tis all for me. later. |
00:15 |
princessnell |
the dropbox ceo stood his ground i think |
00:15 |
decimation |
apparently you are only allowed to be on the board of a business if you are sufficiently socialist |
00:15 |
princessnell |
it was a university that disinvited her to speak |
00:15 |
decimation |
ah well that explains things then |
00:15 |
princessnell |
why must they drag down yet another strong woman of color? |
00:16 |
decimation |
because bush I guess |
00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
princessnell ah come on, woman is dumb as rocks. |
00:16 |
decimation |
it's not racist to mock justice thomas after all |
00:16 |
princessnell |
lol that was sarcasm |
00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google "nobody could have foreseen" |
00:17 |
gribble |
New 9/11 Documents Expose the "Nobody Could Have Predicted ...: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/20/1101687/-New-9-11-Documents-Expose-the-Nobody-Could-Have-Predicted-President>; Cheney Defends The "Nobody Could've Predicted" President ...: <http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/cheney-defends-nobody-couldve-predicted-p>; Nobody Could Have Predicted...: (1 more message) |
00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
oic. |
00:18 |
decimation |
I wonder if a computer made of discrete chips would be more fault-tolerant against cosmic rays, etc |
00:18 |
decimation |
I suspect that they still make them on big-old dies |
00:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48285257 = 0.9657 BTC [+] |
00:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00088561 = 14.8782 BTC [+] {2} |
00:28 |
decimation |
why can't I "!down" myself in a private query with assbot? |
00:28 |
decimation |
!down decimation |
00:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00088804 = 18.6932 BTC [+] |
00:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00088804 = 2.3089 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
01:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00088241 = 8.6917 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
01:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00088541 = 26.2081 BTC [+] {3} |
01:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00430871 = 0.3188 BTC [-] {4} |
01:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00088235 = 20.9558 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 37 minutes ~ |
02:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16472 @ 0.00088559 = 14.5874 BTC [+] |
02:06 |
artifexd |
;;later tell mod6 It looks like pitythepool has the current network hashrate in their json stats. I don't know the source or how it is calculated, but it may be easier for you to grab it from there than calculate it. Less accurate, but easier. |
02:06 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
02:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53435 @ 0.00088346 = 47.2077 BTC [-] {4} |
02:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15407 @ 0.000881 = 13.5736 BTC [-] {2} |
02:20 |
fluffypony |
"Ken what is your 3 month plan for this company? How are you going to make us money with a static data centre and single figure miner sales?" |
02:20 |
fluffypony |
"Tell me what the bitcoin price will be in 3 months and I will tell you." |
02:20 |
fluffypony |
dat forward thinking |
02:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [-] |
02:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-] |
02:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44437 @ 0.00088837 = 39.4765 BTC [+] {5} |
02:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30163 @ 0.00088927 = 26.8231 BTC [+] {2} |
02:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00088932 = 14.407 BTC [+] {2} |
03:07 |
benkay |
*** assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has kicked decimation off channel #bitcoin-assets: Bye. // happy now? |
03:08 |
benkay |
jurov are you off for the weekend again? |
03:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [+] |
03:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22112 @ 0.00088957 = 19.6702 BTC [+] {2} |
03:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10838 @ 0.00088973 = 9.6429 BTC [+] |
03:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11313 @ 0.00088433 = 10.0044 BTC [-] |
03:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1529 @ 0.00088433 = 1.3521 BTC [-] |
03:39 |
fluffypony |
;;later tell ThickAsThieves dat rap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FSla2-yV0 (original without the beat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM7ITjpyed4&feature=youtu.be&t=1m46s ) |
03:39 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
03:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21488 @ 0.00088916 = 19.1063 BTC [+] {2} |
03:51 |
jurov |
benkay no, what happens? |
03:52 |
jurov |
a ic |
| |
~ 49 minutes ~ |
04:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.041 = 1.23 BTC [-] |
04:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07434992 = 0.7435 BTC [-] {3} |
04:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00088524 = 14.1196 BTC [-] |
04:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8381 @ 0.0008849 = 7.4163 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
05:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-] |
05:18 |
davout |
bitcoinbourse -> "we are sure our system is very professional programmed" |
05:18 |
davout |
"It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure." |
05:22 |
bounce |
the fat frenchman went to japan because of the engrish, maybe? |
05:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-] |
05:23 |
davout |
bounce: if you're referring to karpy i believe he fattened there |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
05:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15770 @ 0.00088586 = 13.97 BTC [+] {3} |
05:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-] |
05:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14412 @ 0.00088754 = 12.7912 BTC [+] |
05:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0008849 = 11.8577 BTC [-] |
06:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29004 @ 0.00088377 = 25.6329 BTC [-] {3} |
06:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07145281 = 3.5726 BTC [-] {12} |
06:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.041 = 0.902 BTC [-] {2} |
06:15 |
fluffypony |
;;later tell BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/RXH4FOQ.jpg |
06:15 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
06:19 |
fluffypony |
;;later tell benkay not sure if this relevant at all to what you guys are encountering wrt the 4096 bit entropy problem - https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/602f88552b64 |
06:19 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
06:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] |
06:35 |
bounce |
ew medium.com. |
06:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-] |
06:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07256913 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 27 minutes ~ |
07:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00088379 = 19.1782 BTC [+] |
07:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] |
07:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00088253 = 15.8414 BTC [-] {2} |
07:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
"We’re so delighted to be able to offer a complimentary annual individual membership to the foundation for all registered attendees." |
07:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all |
07:26 |
fluffypony |
Uh oh |
07:26 |
fluffypony |
Better fix your blog footer |
07:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23155 @ 0.00088444 = 20.4792 BTC [+] {2} |
07:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
but but i think might need to opt-in first |
07:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
however they are having their annual meeting in Amsterdam too |
07:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
so might be a great way for me to ask questions |
07:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
their lawyer never responded to my email asking about their nonprofit status |
07:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
or relevant donation info |
07:32 |
chetty |
ThickAsThieves, maybe publish them as open questions? |
07:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.07103751 = 3.1257 BTC [-] {6} |
07:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00088298 = 21.633 BTC [-] {2} |
07:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.041 = 0.779 BTC [-] |
07:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers? |
07:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00088095 = 14.9762 BTC [-] {3} |
07:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03107021 = 0.1554 BTC [-] |
07:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03103521 = 0.3104 BTC [-] {3} |
07:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0310001 = 0.279 BTC [-] |
07:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0335572 = 0.1678 BTC [+] {2} |
07:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03350001 = 0.1675 BTC [-] |
07:57 |
fluffypony |
ThickAsThieves: so then publish open questions that you won't ask |
07:57 |
fluffypony |
and corner them with the actual questions |
07:57 |
fluffypony |
lead in with the published ones and then veer off investigatory journalizt style |
07:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03107021 = 0.3107 BTC [+] {2} |
07:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0043057 = 0.1981 BTC [-] {2} |
07:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
07:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
i like how they hint at being a nonprofit through the wording in their letters and bylaws |
07:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03104216 = 0.1552 BTC [-] {2} |
07:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03350001 = 0.1675 BTC [-] |
07:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
but arent actually filed as one |
07:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
it could be pending i guess |
07:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
but it's a bit unethical to paint yourself as an np |
07:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
and solicit donations without noting their ability to be tax deductible |
08:00 |
fluffypony |
speaking of gray-area ethics |
08:00 |
fluffypony |
I had someone accuse OpenRigs of being unethical |
08:00 |
fluffypony |
because we ship from South Africa |
08:00 |
fluffypony |
but we have a .com and the default currency is USD |
08:01 |
fluffypony |
which apparently implies you are in the US of A |
08:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
this would only be an issue if you do not quote shipping costs before purchase |
08:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
or est ship time |
08:02 |
fluffypony |
which we do, they have to choose a shipping option during checkout (or when viewing their cart) |
08:02 |
fluffypony |
and the shipping options have shipping timelines on each option |
08:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
well cry me a river |
08:02 |
fluffypony |
my thoughts exactly |
08:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00088362 = 9.1896 BTC [+] |
08:13 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: "Ken what is your 3 month plan" << i wonder if that counts as mid term or long term. |
08:13 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe you should ask them. |
08:13 |
fluffypony |
LOL |
08:14 |
mircea_popescu |
youknowimright.jpg |
08:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
memoriesssssss http://bitcoinmagazine.com/3668/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork/ |
08:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0043054 = 0.4305 BTC [-] |
08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
davout: |
08:22 |
mircea_popescu |
"It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure." <<< o you log, that has such marvels & many pleasure in it! |
08:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
!up skinnkavaj |
08:22 |
assbot |
Voicing skinnkavaj for 30 minutes. |
08:22 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: Why did you leave ASICMINER? |
08:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
technically ditching the AM-PTs is what i did |
08:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
leaving the board was automatic once i no longer represented 5000 shares |
08:24 |
skinnkavaj |
But why? Didn't they make a you some money with 5% management fee? |
08:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
08:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
go add up those fees over the lifetime |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ << there it is skinnkavaj |
08:24 |
ozbot |
The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
he just wasted half a year of his life to make sure. |
08:25 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: Do you no longer believe in a great future for Asicminer? |
08:25 |
skinnkavaj |
I love to buy stocks when everyone is selling them |
08:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
i do not believe in AM |
08:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
and consider it vastly overvalued |
08:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all <<< ahahaha epic |
08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
skinnkavaj do you have your portofolio published somewhere ? so we can all lol ? |
08:26 |
mircea_popescu |
what's this "buy stocks when everyone is selling them" strat netted you so far ? |
08:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
blood in the steets is blood on your hands |
08:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
streets* |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers? << once you sent the q's privately, they can already do that. |
08:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0065379 = 0.1177 BTC [+] |
08:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
i didnt |
08:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
those were other Q's |
08:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
but yeah |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: lead in with the published ones and then veer off investigatory journalizt style << yeah, but then they'll be "offended" and not answer anyway |
08:27 |
skinnkavaj |
mircea_popescu: Read your link, ok so they made some mistakes with exchanges.. But I couldn't care less about that, what matters is that friedcat seems to be a really good asic engineer |
08:28 |
mircea_popescu |
skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit that perhaps you did not actually read the link. |
08:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
here's how i see it |
08:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
(this is no investment advice) |
08:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
FC and the crew made millions on millions last year |
08:29 |
mircea_popescu |
notwithstanding that afaik friedcat was in no sense an engineer, just a pr for a team, and also afaik she said so mul;tiple times. |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
then had to deal with pissant forum investors |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
which got old |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
so they probably began segmenting their business out of that situation |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
which menifested in things like |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
no Gen2 |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
Rockminer |
08:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: it could be pending i guess << wait, pending for two years ? heh. |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
no communciation |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
etc |
08:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
pending for 1 year is normal i'm told |
08:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha MENIfested.rosenFELT |
08:30 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves but we're approaching three. |
08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
indeed |
08:30 |
mircea_popescu |
that is not normal. |
08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
no it isnt |
08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
they probably werent granted shit |
08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
and now wanna pretend |
08:30 |
mircea_popescu |
moving your virtual office from us to uk to avoid the impending doom is also not NORMAL |
08:30 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: According to latest questions it seems that they are on track on delivering 102 petahash to the network in 3 months |
08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
on track by what measure? |
08:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
words and dreams? |
08:31 |
skinnkavaj |
I don't see why they couldn't make better chips than before |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ahgahaha. o you don't see do you ? |
08:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
ho can you not learn by now |
08:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;bcstats |
08:31 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 300047 | Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 | Next Difficulty In: 336 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8840307102.91 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.49179 |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
hey skinnkavaj do you see any reason i couldn't fuck michelle obama's daughters on film ? |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
im thinking of opening a vlog and i think that'd be a great first episode. |
08:31 |
skinnkavaj |
mircea_popescu: Please just be quite |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!down skinnkavaj |
08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
works for me. |
08:32 |
fluffypony |
be quite what? |
08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i think it's british english. |
08:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
skinnkavaj if you want voice again you'll need to register with gribble, wot, assbot and get a rep |
08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
!up skinnkavaj |
08:32 |
assbot |
Voicing skinnkavaj for 30 minutes. |
08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
do you get the idea or do you need a 2nd dunking ? |
08:33 |
skinnkavaj |
I want to hear what ThickAsThieves has to say |
08:33 |
fluffypony |
http://i.imgur.com/o8z44h9.jpg |
08:33 |
skinnkavaj |
Why do you not think the could manage to produce a 3gen chip |
08:33 |
skinnkavaj |
They clearly have the competence |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
yes well, the point being that we sometimes get what we want, and sometimes don't get what we want. |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
and you're mostly in the 2nd class. |
08:34 |
skinnkavaj |
Its just a matter of time |
08:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's not that i dont think they "might" make gen3 or whatever |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony you didn't just draw that up |
08:34 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I did |
08:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's that i dont see how owning stock would be worth it even if they did |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
wow. |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
do you even job fluffypony ? |
08:34 |
fluffypony |
http://memegenerator.net/Gentleman |
08:34 |
ozbot |
gentleman | Meme Generator |
08:34 |
fluffypony |
it's a saturday |
08:34 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: Why couldn't it be successfull? |
08:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
math |
08:35 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: Why couldn't it be worth it? |
08:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
economy |
08:35 |
skinnkavaj |
If they once again produce the best chips on the market |
08:35 |
skinnkavaj |
It will be worth it |
08:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
isnt this batch already barely on par with the market? |
08:36 |
skinnkavaj |
If they successfully manage to keep their promises now |
08:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
do you realize how long it's been since AM actually released something new? |
08:36 |
skinnkavaj |
Delivering 102 petahash over the next 3 months |
08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
more's the point, if they doi produce the best batch on the market again, why would they want to split the proceeds with you ? |
08:36 |
skinnkavaj |
I think they have a good chance of 20% of the network |
08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
what could you possibly offer them that'd make them care. |
08:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
they wont split proceeds |
08:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
thats why Rockminer exists |
08:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
and why Gen2 probly existed |
08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
so is this a purely academic discussion then ? |
08:37 |
fluffypony |
so they operate ASICMINER as a zero-sum game |
08:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
all the board cares about is their own franchises, which are all going into the red right about now |
08:37 |
fluffypony |
barely profitable, if at all |
08:37 |
fluffypony |
and Rockminer makes the money |
08:38 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: "all the board cares about is their own franchises" Like what franchises? |
08:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
so you are crossing your fingers that some mystery men in china give a fuck about shareholders |
08:38 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: They did before? |
08:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
they measured how much fuck they should give with the Rockminer IPO |
08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnRTjF8CYAAxpnM.jpg asciilifeform check out that truck! best looking truck i've seen. |
08:38 |
skinnkavaj |
Why would you assume friedcat is dishonest now? |
08:38 |
skinnkavaj |
Suddenly |
08:38 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: Do you think Rockminer is a better investment if so? |
08:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
well dishonesty is a different demon in china |
08:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
you measure it differently |
08:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
and whats so sudden |
08:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
AM hasnt made new shit for like a year |
08:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i am coming to this theory that there are two types of people in the world : the ones whose brain is a train engine, and the ones whose brain is a combustion engine. the former can be readily ideintified by the fact that their mental processes move on tracks, no matter the engine's horsepower. |
08:39 |
mircea_popescu |
the latter can probably be identified by how they keep crashing into poles. |
08:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
their farm maxed at like 25TH or some shit |
08:40 |
skinnkavaj |
They told that Rockminer would have to buy chips from Asicminer at the same price as everyone else |
08:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
... |
08:40 |
skinnkavaj |
So far I fail to see why Asicminer suddenly has become corrupt/dishonest |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so there's still hope for my vlog then |
08:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
skinnkavaj |
08:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
pretend Rockminer IS Asicminer |
08:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
and ask how Asicminer might profit |
08:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
then |
08:41 |
mircea_popescu |
"Leading toilet maker Toto refers to itself as the Apple of toilet tech." mwahaha |
08:41 |
skinnkavaj |
They sell chips? |
08:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
pretend you arent pretending |
08:42 |
skinnkavaj |
They could have split up |
08:42 |
skinnkavaj |
Asicminer produces only chips |
08:42 |
skinnkavaj |
Rockminer produces something else |
08:42 |
skinnkavaj |
Is my understanding |
08:42 |
skinnkavaj |
I may be wrong |
08:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
you may |
08:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.041 = 0.574 BTC [-] |
08:43 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: So in that case, do you think Rockminer is a better investment than Asicminer? yes/no? |
08:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
fucking hell man |
08:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;8ball |
08:43 |
gribble |
The answer is a resounding no. |
08:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
there. |
08:43 |
fluffypony |
lol |
08:43 |
skinnkavaj |
Yes/no? |
08:43 |
skinnkavaj |
I dont follow you.. |
08:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00088311 = 18.4128 BTC [-] {2} |
08:43 |
fluffypony |
skinnkavaj: read what gribble said |
08:43 |
fluffypony |
"[14:43:24] +gribble: The answer is a resounding no." |
08:44 |
assbot |
Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/3D6JHN5.txt) |
08:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
!b 12 |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony he doesn't see why gribble should have said that. |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
he further does not see why what gribble says should be controlling. |
08:44 |
skinnkavaj |
I have ignored Gribble |
08:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
[08:21] <skinnkavaj> I hate to use Gribble |
08:44 |
skinnkavaj |
But ok |
08:44 |
skinnkavaj |
So both are shit |
08:44 |
skinnkavaj |
ASicminer and rockminer |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
he has this "i do not see" device from socialist training in what passes for education these days, and he knows he's supposed to apply it selectively, |
08:44 |
skinnkavaj |
In your opinion |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why i don't get my fuck-obama-daughters-vlog. |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
sux. |
08:45 |
fluffypony |
skinnkavaj: gribble's magic 8ball says both are shit |
08:45 |
fluffypony |
skinnkavaj: you can also use this for investment advice: http://www.ask8ball.net |
08:45 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated gribble |
08:45 |
gribble |
You have not yet rated user gribble |
08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate gribble 1 possibly the best fake-BTC-stock analyst out there. |
08:46 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user gribble has been recorded. |
08:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://i.imgur.com/7HVDhQk.jpg |
08:47 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i guess the one true gain from this discussion is a lesson as to how downing people may be bad for debate and the marketplace of ideas. |
08:48 |
skinnkavaj |
Yes trolling and downing people is really boring |
08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
in small enough qty, filth is actually helpful for the healthy body |
08:48 |
fluffypony |
lol ThickAsThieves |
08:48 |
skinnkavaj |
Would really like to have more dicussions |
08:48 |
skinnkavaj |
About the companies |
08:48 |
skinnkavaj |
Thats why I am in this channel |
08:48 |
fluffypony |
skinnkavaj: discussion is fine |
08:48 |
fluffypony |
asking someone for their opinion on a specific issue is fine |
08:48 |
fluffypony |
but yes/no investment advice is nonsensical |
08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves what's the 8ball say about when will the last noob try badgering you about nonsense ? |
08:49 |
fluffypony |
oh asciilifeform will like this: http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/09/westerners-guide-to-japanese-toilets/ |
08:49 |
mircea_popescu |
skinnkavaj no, because you eschew the actual discussion in favour of ridoinkulous formalisms. |
08:50 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: Do you have more information from ASicminer board meetings or are you not allowed of copy pasting that? |
08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
skinnkavaj, if you just lurk here for a few mos, you'll be miles ahead of the forum |
08:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
you dont even need to talk |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
"Gabbie Brown @Gabbiebrown · 5h Wishing that everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my life." << check it out, i'm following the only unique snowflake of brilliant potence on twitter. nyah. |
08:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07258988 = 0.7259 BTC [+] |
08:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
there's nothing much worth sharing from the board meetings |
08:51 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: who needs chance and careful planning when you can just wish that everything would fall into place |
08:51 |
skinnkavaj |
ThickAsThieves: I think mircea_popescu is just spamming here with trolls and insults to everyone trying to have a good discussion. Please stop.. I really liked this channel before |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!down skinnkavaj |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess so. |
08:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0725899 = 3.6295 BTC [+] |
08:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 43 @ 0.041 = 1.763 BTC [-] |
08:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
this channel was so much better before you got here mp |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony the problem is fucking deeper than that. see, the brain is not made to work, it's made to adapt. |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
these are very different, even if cyberneticists keep wanting to represent the brain as a computor. |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
these days most of the brains input for the lower classes is fiction, ie, entertainment. |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
in fiction, there's a scenario and a director, and they conspire to alter reality a certain way. |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
this "happiness horizon" when "everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my lyf" is a very old very common fiction trope |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it happens to heroines mostly, once they take the cock, usually. |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
so... the lower class brain is now... adapted to this counterfactual reality. |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
50%+1 of the population would do fine in "life", if only life was... the story of rapunzel. |
08:54 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
~ done spamming with trolls ~ |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves ikr |
08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/255a6o/bitcoin_foundation_adds_alleged_child_molester_to/ |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
not you ?! |
08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
the ruthlessness of idits |
08:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
idiots |
08:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
let's allegedly lynch people! |
08:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ruthlessly idiotic. that's a new one. |
08:56 |
fluffypony |
wow fun |
08:56 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone know this pete earle fellow ? |
08:59 |
mircea_popescu |
!up s1gea |
08:59 |
assbot |
Voicing s1gea for 30 minutes. |
08:59 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnPc9OMCcAAgAbq.jpg << check out how happy hitchcock is |
08:59 |
s1gea |
Thank you. |
09:00 |
mircea_popescu |
yw. who might you be ? |
09:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves btw, were you looking for this graph https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnPU927CQAENJQ5.png ? |
09:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
somewhat interesting |
09:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
but this is better: |
09:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
the total value of the global video game industry is projected to be $78.5 billion for 2012. |
09:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
In 2012, the global movie production and distribution industry is projected to generate revenue of $126.8 billion |
09:11 |
mircea_popescu |
okok :) |
09:11 |
mircea_popescu |
!up CheckDavid |
09:11 |
assbot |
Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes. |
09:11 |
CheckDavid |
:D |
09:11 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid |
09:11 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014 |
09:11 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Shazam |
09:11 |
assbot |
Voicing Shazam for 30 minutes. |
09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
however, gaming industry in US is actually declining |
09:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
down like 10% I think it said |
09:13 |
CheckDavid |
So apple generates more revenue than books? |
09:13 |
CheckDavid |
That's mindboggling |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
“Grand Theft Auto V not only hit $1 billion in sales faster than the fastest-grossing videogame, it beat the three biggest film launches of all time by 16 days.” |
09:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
Rift won't let me join EU servers |
09:16 |
cazalla |
checkout archeage, it's looking good |
09:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
i was watching the videos |
09:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's sorta like Civilizations as an mmporg? |
09:17 |
cazalla |
never played civ so can't say |
09:17 |
ThickAsThieves |
like Sims as an mmporg? |
09:17 |
cazalla |
never played that either |
09:18 |
cazalla |
it's pitched as a sandboxy type mmo |
09:18 |
mircea_popescu |
CheckDavid apple is more convenient. |
09:18 |
cazalla |
it's not as carebear as most mmos have become |
09:18 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves ew what ? phyneous is intl not eu ? |
09:19 |
CheckDavid |
mircea_popescu: than books? People buy books with apples, |
09:19 |
mircea_popescu |
those obviously don't count as books. |
09:20 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves and srsly push fdor it cause the guild is huge and i could defo need some help with organising shit |
09:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.0008806 = 12.1963 BTC [-] |
09:21 |
CheckDavid |
Ebooks are not books? |
09:22 |
mircea_popescu |
while the philosophy involved may be arguable, i'm pretty sure that sales of books via ipads and whatnot are counted as ipad revenue, not "books" revenue |
09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
from a concerned reader : "say you been to bitcoincharts lately? i'm concerned about a certificate warning that pops up, disappears, pops up again, no matter what is clicked, and which stops if javascript is disabled." |
09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone got anything ? |
09:25 |
fluffypony |
checking |
09:25 |
fluffypony |
normal bitcoincharts (http) works |
09:26 |
fluffypony |
obv. no warnings |
09:26 |
fluffypony |
and https redirects to http |
09:26 |
fluffypony |
oh I lie, https works |
09:26 |
fluffypony |
linked js is on https |
09:27 |
fluffypony |
linked CSS is on https |
09:27 |
fluffypony |
so I'd hazard that the issue is localised to them |
09:27 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ok ty |
09:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony apparently you're awesome! |
09:29 |
fluffypony |
lol |
09:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7767 @ 0.0008806 = 6.8396 BTC [-] |
09:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14183 @ 0.00087943 = 12.473 BTC [-] |
09:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.004302 = 0.1721 BTC [-] |
09:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 110 @ 0.041 = 4.51 BTC [-] |
10:02 |
kakobrekla |
>what the f*ck, there is no cog share on HL now ,where is my share?? |
10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
you had a share ? |
10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
well, if you liked your share you can keep your share. |
10:06 |
kakobrekla |
even better: |
10:06 |
kakobrekla |
>Ukyo can you explain why you havent payed any dividend at all after the closure of Bitfunder ? Are you using the coins to turn them into more, like turning 1 btc into 1.1 btc every month or something ? |
10:06 |
kakobrekla |
>>That would be great. I hope Ukyo disclose more info in the portal. I remember that Ukyo mentioned there's a new business would be kickstarted this month? |
10:08 |
pigeons |
lol |
10:08 |
kakobrekla |
i guess ukyo cant comment, he is out of tcp packets. |
10:10 |
kakobrekla |
!up Diablo-D3 |
10:10 |
assbot |
Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes. |
10:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
thx |
10:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
is ukyo really around anymore? |
10:10 |
Diablo-D3 |
I thought he perm-ragequit after I told him to fuck off |
10:10 |
kakobrekla |
;;seen ukyo |
10:10 |
gribble |
ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 14 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping |
10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla see, they know they really shouldn't have that coin. so they hope that whoever took it from them is giving it a nice home |
10:10 |
* |
Diablo-D3 is glad he quit the bitcoin fake company ipo drama storm shit |
10:10 |
mircea_popescu |
Diablo-D3 i thought clinton perm-ragequit after you told him to fuck off. |
10:11 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a different guy. |
10:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07055009 = 0.7055 BTC [-] {3} |
10:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
mircea_popescu: maybe Im thinking of someone else |
10:11 |
Diablo-D3 |
which one is the japanese princess moron? |
10:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00088112 = 7.6217 BTC [+] |
10:12 |
kakobrekla |
Diablo-D3 usagi? |
10:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
right, him |
10:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
whos ukyo again? |
10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah diff guy. |
10:12 |
kakobrekla |
buttfucker founder |
10:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
hrm |
10:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
I feel like I told him to fuck off too |
10:12 |
Diablo-D3 |
but cant remember if I did |
10:13 |
* |
Diablo-D3 should keep a list |
10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
that very special moment when you decrypt an email, see -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- |
10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
then -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- |
10:13 |
kakobrekla |
O_o |
10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK----- |
10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
then you're O.O |
10:13 |
pigeons |
oops |
10:13 |
fluffypony |
Lol |
10:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
mircea_popescu: NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN |
10:13 |
Diablo-D3 |
how does that even happen |
10:14 |
asciilifeform |
loll!!!! |
10:15 |
asciilifeform |
someone must've played a joke. |
10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess someone was being thorough ? |
10:16 |
random_cat |
i would like to declare that Ukyo owes me 100 USD (as a lower bound) |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
so recorded. |
10:17 |
bounce |
Ob"Why Johnny Can't Encrypt" |
10:17 |
fluffypony |
I would like to declare that I am leaving to go drink and shall return inebriated at a later time. Or tomorrow if not. |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
pix or it didn't hoppen. |
10:18 |
fluffypony |
I'll be sure to take pikshas |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
piksha da shiksa |
10:19 |
bounce |
every time I look at sun hardware it strikes me that oracle hates their customers. so. much. |
10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
this is actually a pretty great name for a jewish hip hop band |
10:19 |
bounce |
o_O? |
10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
10:19 |
assbot |
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10:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 5 |
10:19 |
random_cat |
once upon a time, sun was great |
10:20 |
mircea_popescu |
meh too short |
10:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=122 << lawl |
10:21 |
ozbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash |
10:23 |
random_cat |
webuser@bitcoin-assets.com:~$ |
10:29 |
peterl |
jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? is it added up monthly or shown every time a commission is earned? |
10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
peterl your balance proibably just increases unsexpectedly |
10:31 |
artifexd |
Lol |
10:33 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: "then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK-----" <<< pastie or it didn't happen |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pastebin.com/9nwtB3k8 |
10:35 |
ozbot |
RpghRO7FPqGx6uQ0sr/MDz6plEY/QPl+eXPnIhDCCyiUOcoZlhZMb2te93Y9o0e9 bctaTOxz5/azX5 - Pastebin.com |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
hopefully the x's anonymize enough. |
10:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00088094 = 7.6642 BTC [-] {2} |
10:36 |
davout |
lol, at least we know it's a macfag who doesn't brew :D |
10:42 |
kakobrekla |
>v2.0.22 (Darwin) |
10:43 |
kakobrekla |
this explains it |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
how ? |
10:43 |
kakobrekla |
;;google darwins award |
10:43 |
gribble |
Darwin Awards. Homo sapiens decline; Neo Sapiens rise! February ...: <http://www.darwinawards.com/>; Darwin Awards: Darwin Awards: <http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/>; Darwin Awards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards> |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
10:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-] |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
is scrypt the new cog like neobeeq was the new hiv |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
or him or what was it ? |
10:46 |
kakobrekla |
>We, are a Team from six countries ( Germany, Portugal, Russia, Turkey, Switzerland, and Great Britain ) and focused to meet your standard of requirements as experienced and serious Bitcoin-Insiders, and would highly appreciate your feedback, proposal and critics to our site and services for an ensured continuous improvement process! |
10:46 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=599410.0 |
10:46 |
ozbot |
zyado.com - bitcoin exchange |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
this is trollage right ? |
10:49 |
kakobrekla |
no |
10:50 |
peterl |
sadly no |
10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds just like the earlier prosthetic limbs ipos |
11:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00088367 = 19.8384 BTC [+] {3} |
11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Anon29486307 |
11:01 |
assbot |
Voicing Anon29486307 for 30 minutes. |
11:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20667 @ 0.00088041 = 18.1954 BTC [-] {2} |
11:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8633 @ 0.00087927 = 7.5907 BTC [-] |
11:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-] |
11:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07258878 = 0.5807 BTC [+] {2} |
11:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-] |
11:37 |
benkay |
hurr, thanks fluffypony |
11:40 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit // well that's a first |
11:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 500 @ 0.00085021 = 0.4251 BTC [+] {3} |
11:44 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay notice that the overall effect was exactly the same. |
11:44 |
mircea_popescu |
the lower class CLAIMS my arrogance is the problem. but this is merely what they imagine would make a convincing scapegoat. |
11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda why poor people are so universally despised : they say that which they figure may best serve. |
11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
whatever it may be, irrespective. words are but words. |
11:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00635993 = 0.318 BTC [-] {5} |
11:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 97 @ 0.00120744 = 0.1171 BTC [-] {2} |
11:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 37 @ 0.00610981 = 0.2261 BTC [-] |
11:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 138 @ 0.00601181 = 0.8296 BTC [-] {7} |
11:54 |
bounce |
re foundation: <Kelticfox> http://web.archive.org/web/20020813195335/http://www.nypost.com/technology/49923.htm |
11:57 |
Apocalyptic |
Kelticfox> interesting... the person trying to buy Gox (and just added to the Foundation) is a convicted child molester |
11:57 |
Apocalyptic |
<Kelticfox> The Foundation really doesnt give a fuck about BTC does it? |
11:57 |
Apocalyptic |
guys begin to realize what is the foundation about |
11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
sure it gives a fuck about btc. just, not yours. |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72386476 BTC to 8`667 shares, 31428 satoshi per share |
12:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [+] |
12:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07258878 = 1.5244 BTC [+] {2} |
12:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 56 @ 0.0335 = 1.876 BTC [-] {2} |
12:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.00120273 = 0.2405 BTC [+] {3} |
12:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 89 @ 0.07258878 = 6.4604 BTC [+] |
12:23 |
pigeons |
Apocalyptic: doesn't appear he was convicted |
12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
pigeons is it more like a character assasination job ? |
12:24 |
pigeons |
he may be guilty, i don't know, does seem fishy, but it doesn't appear he was convicted |
12:25 |
Apocalyptic |
then Kelticfox is wrong |
12:25 |
pigeons |
yeah thats what i was trying to correct |
12:26 |
pigeons |
apparently there was some sort of recording that got an indictment, and "too many little boys for everything to be right", but not enough evidence to move forward after that |
12:27 |
kakobrekla |
so small amount of little boys is ok? |
12:27 |
pigeons |
seems so |
12:28 |
kakobrekla |
cool, nefario is safe |
12:28 |
Apocalyptic |
re that accusation |
12:29 |
Apocalyptic |
<Cusipzzz> sounds like roger ver, fits right in |
12:29 |
pigeons |
no insinuation, but i hear bruce wagner may run |
12:29 |
Apocalyptic |
is Ver notorious for doing that nao ? |
12:30 |
pigeons |
don't think so |
12:30 |
pigeons |
just explosives in the mail |
12:30 |
Apocalyptic |
right |
12:30 |
Apocalyptic |
firecrackers |
12:31 |
pigeons |
whats this about gox to reopen in pattaya with new ownership? |
12:32 |
Apocalyptic |
no idea, I got a link to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590970.0 |
12:34 |
kakobrekla |
pattaya? |
12:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00088301 = 3.2671 BTC [+] |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"There is a convergence between WeHo pedos; some might recall the 1998 web series Chad's World which was essentially a bunch of 30-something pedos creating a project to lure boys to Hollywood with promises of becoming stars in exchange for "work" they would do while living with various members of this group of 30-something pedos. " |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, wut ? |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
Digital Entertainment Network happens to be the bankrupt venture of the brock pierce guy who is the purported owner that was going to buy the techno music brand some kid was pitching earlier in chan |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
what was his name |
12:38 |
davout |
Drew something |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"Subsequently, civil lawsuits from boys employed by DEN alleged sexual abuse and coercion using drugs and guns by Collins-Rector, co-founder Chad Shackley, and DEN Executive VP Brock Pierce." |
12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"DEN alumni created other Internet sites including suicide girls" |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
suicide girls was run pretty much like a scientology work camp afaik |
12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
http://boingboing.net/2007/11/15/goldfarming-empire-l.html seems to be the better source actually. |
12:42 |
ozbot |
Gold-farming empire linked to dot-com child abuse scandal - Boing Boing |
12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic lol i gotta love phins' footwork. ask him to come over will you ? |
12:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0314999 = 0.315 BTC [+] |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically collins-rector has a harem too, except of [ex]little boys, among which brock pierce, whom he keeps pushing into bitcoin nonsense. |
12:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00088176 = 19.4869 BTC [-] {2} |
12:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-] |
12:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-] |
13:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00088252 = 13.1054 BTC [+] |
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13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!jd mpif |
13:19 |
assbot |
Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.11326127 BTC; +0.10451369 BTC (+0.0637%) since last check 1d 8h 20m 51s ago. |
13:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0043054 = 0.1507 BTC [+] {2} |
13:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 39 @ 0.00299925 = 0.117 BTC [+] {2} |
13:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 150 @ 0.07040268 = 10.5604 BTC [-] {11} |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
13:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 87 @ 0.041 = 3.567 BTC [-] |
14:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00088252 = 4.4567 BTC [+] |
14:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3} |
14:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00088087 = 54.5259 BTC [-] {5} |
14:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7517 @ 0.00087927 = 6.6095 BTC [-] |
14:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12083 @ 0.00087876 = 10.6181 BTC [-] |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
14:36 |
kakobrekla |
slovenian bitcoin atm |
14:36 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHkef9oLxhw |
14:36 |
ozbot |
Bitcoin ATM - YouTube |
14:38 |
kakobrekla |
>Actually we are a partner company of BTC-O-MATIC and we handle orders, marketing and integrations for adriatic region. |
14:38 |
Apocalyptic |
kako, doesn't even require fingerprint scanning |
14:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0330715 = 0.463 BTC [-] {2} |
14:50 |
pankkake |
"Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera." |
14:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14205 @ 0.00088249 = 12.5358 BTC [+] |
14:51 |
Apocalyptic |
nvm then |
14:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7945 @ 0.00087876 = 6.9817 BTC [-] |
14:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0718 = 0.1436 BTC [+] |
14:55 |
fluffypony |
pankkake |
14:55 |
fluffypony |
lol |
14:55 |
fluffypony |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.msg6653829#msg6653829 |
14:55 |
ozbot |
BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today |
14:56 |
fluffypony |
so it looks like BitcoinBourse think that you've been paid to troll them |
14:56 |
fluffypony |
or something |
14:56 |
fluffypony |
his circuitous reasoning is very confusing |
14:56 |
pankkake |
and yet I've only commented on a few of his offerings, only to provide a link to a scam accusation or something |
14:57 |
fluffypony |
the thread he links to is hilarious |
14:57 |
fluffypony |
where they try dox you |
15:11 |
davout |
pankkake: "Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera." <<< wonder what legal requirements they're referring to |
15:12 |
khersonus |
it's normally AML/KYC stuff that causes problems for bitcoin<->cash machines |
15:14 |
jurov |
<peterl> jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? << it is added monthly, usually just after the monthly fee |
15:15 |
davout |
khersonus: my point is that the legal requirements are imaginary since bitcoin is nowhere legally defined as money |
15:15 |
jurov |
and shown in the btc account history |
15:15 |
davout |
in other words a bitcoin ATM is by no means different than any other vending machine |
15:15 |
fluffypony |
davout |
15:15 |
davout |
s/by no means/in no way/ |
15:15 |
fluffypony |
if it pays out in fiat the legal definition of Bitcoin is irrelevant, no? |
15:16 |
fluffypony |
the compliance is wrt the fiat being padi |
15:16 |
fluffypony |
*paid |
15:16 |
davout |
fluffypony: nah, that's when you store fiat on behalf of third parties |
15:17 |
fluffypony |
AML would apply if you're providing a fiat dispensing machine |
15:17 |
fluffypony |
it's rife for money laundering |
15:17 |
fluffypony |
KYC not so much unless you're deposit-taking |
15:17 |
davout |
when you buy and sell X, you buy and sell X, as long as X is not defined as a financial instrument, (or a precious metal in some countries) there is no reason for KYC/AML to apply |
15:17 |
kakobrekla |
btc atm could be considered as otc trading no? |
15:18 |
davout |
the fact that "it's ripe for ML" is in no way relevant, the machine is not "dispensing cash", it could be automatically buying apples from you |
15:19 |
fluffypony |
outside of the US, sure |
15:19 |
fluffypony |
but in the nanny state there's a whole bunch of FinCEN crap around this (eg. http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/faq060305.html) |
15:19 |
davout |
AML provisions *may* apply for some specific cases, such as scrap metal buying/selling in france for example |
15:20 |
davout |
but that's usually very clearly laid out in the law |
15:20 |
khersonus |
davout: you should setup a "Bitcoin ATM" and see what happens |
15:20 |
fluffypony |
that insist on AML being applied if you're providing a cash dispensing business, with specific exemptions for things like registered pawnbrokers |
15:20 |
fluffypony |
in the US they apply the "everything is bad, here are some exceptions" policy |
15:20 |
kakobrekla |
imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on the long run |
15:20 |
davout |
khersonus: no i should absolutely not, because as far as I know european VAT applies on the full amount of sales unless stated otherwise |
15:21 |
khersonus |
davout: oh gosh |
15:21 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: I agree |
15:21 |
fluffypony |
personally I think it's just a silly way of trying to promote adoption, it's more inconvenient to use than convenient |
15:21 |
davout |
fluffypony: is bitcoin defined in the "precious Metals, Stones, or Jewels" category? i believe not |
15:21 |
fluffypony |
davout: that's why I said "eg" |
15:21 |
fluffypony |
it's an example of fincen crap |
15:22 |
davout |
fluffypony: bear in mind that i'm not really competent when it comes to regulation in the US, my field of expertise is regulation in europe |
15:22 |
* |
fluffypony neither |
15:22 |
fluffypony |
either way, most of the Bitcoin ATM reviews I've read have been US-centric |
15:23 |
davout |
fluffypony: the US has the advantage of not having VAT, that's why coinbase can work the way it does, and that bitcoin ATMs are actually safer to setup there than in europe |
15:23 |
fluffypony |
I don't know if the Bitcoin ATMs being dropped into Dubai will have lal this AML crap |
15:23 |
davout |
god help them |
15:24 |
davout |
s/god/الله/ |
15:24 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
15:25 |
davout |
virgins don't know 'bout my unicode |
15:27 |
jurov |
indeed, dude who owns bitcoin atm here got some official statement that VAT does not apply, |
15:27 |
jurov |
but my tax advisor threw quite a fit upon seeing that |
15:27 |
Apocalyptic |
<fluffypony> I don't know if the Bitcoin ATMs being dropped into Dubai will have lal this AML crap // lol |
15:28 |
kakobrekla |
>I found a way to generate Bitcoins even faster then every Miner, in a legal way. the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal. |
15:28 |
Apocalyptic |
if you want to visit Dubai, you have to apply for a visa where retinal scan is in order |
15:28 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603670.0 |
15:28 |
ozbot |
mBTC Investment chance - Weekly Cashout |
15:28 |
davout |
jurov: interdasting, did the guy tell you the govt actually, and voluntarily simply said "oh ok, we'll waive the tax for you" ? |
15:28 |
davout |
(genuinely interested) |
15:29 |
jurov |
no, the statement he cited said that it is neither goods nor service, so the law does not apply |
15:29 |
Apocalyptic |
wait |
15:30 |
jurov |
Apocalyptic here: https://coinunity.sk/topic/561/novinky-z-financnej-spravy-a-mf-sr |
15:30 |
Apocalyptic |
thanks |
15:30 |
davout |
jurov: wait until the tax administration realizes signing a transaction can perfectly be defined as a "service" :D |
15:30 |
Apocalyptic |
imo it is davout |
15:30 |
jurov |
yes, i think too someone somewhere will certainly hell bent to categorize it somewhere |
15:31 |
davout |
selling bitcoins, in its essence, is simply multiplying some large numbers in exchange for fiat money |
15:31 |
davout |
s/money/currency/ |
15:32 |
assbot |
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15:32 |
benkay |
!b 2 |
15:32 |
davout |
wat, don't bash me bro |
15:32 |
davout |
:D |
15:32 |
Apocalyptic |
"Finančná správa rozlišuje medzi bitcoin a BItcoin. Wow! Som na tých byrokratov tak pyšný" heh |
15:32 |
Apocalyptic |
seems like they know a thing or two indeed |
15:33 |
kakobrekla |
such wow |
15:35 |
khersonus |
davout: multiplying some numbers, and broadcasting the tx to the network might be nice too |
15:36 |
davout |
for those who missed feincoin, it's worth the five minutes of your time |
15:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 280 @ 0.0043054 = 1.2055 BTC [+] |
15:37 |
kakobrekla |
;;translate slovak english Finančná správa rozlišuje medzi bitcoin a BItcoin. Wow! Som na tých byrokratov tak pyšný |
15:37 |
gribble |
Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2. See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html. |
15:37 |
fluffypony |
that's the kickstarter thing? |
15:37 |
davout |
khersonus: if you really want to nitpick you should also add "and not quickly multiply more numbers and broadcast it in such a way that the first broadcast never gets confirmed" :D |
15:37 |
kakobrekla |
nanotube ;;translate broked |
15:37 |
khersonus |
davout: true :) |
15:38 |
fluffypony |
"Fein Sender is a part of our mobile app that allows one to display a barcode on your phones screen that anyone can scan using their phone’s camera." |
15:38 |
fluffypony |
wow |
15:38 |
fluffypony |
such technology |
15:39 |
davout |
feincoin > altcoin |
15:39 |
davout |
YOU CAN BUY PENCILS AND MORE |
15:39 |
kakobrekla |
but can i buy helium balloons? |
15:39 |
Apocalyptic |
blasphemy davout ! |
15:39 |
fluffypony |
"You can give Fein Coins for events such as raking a yard or selling a pencil or more." |
15:39 |
fluffypony |
PLZ RAKE MY YARD |
15:39 |
fluffypony |
WILL PAY IN FINE KOINZ |
15:40 |
jurov |
kakobrekla: The tax authority distinguishes between bitcoin and Bitcoin. Wow! I'm so proud of there bureaucrats |
15:40 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu can we ipo pencil selling buzzyiness? |
15:40 |
davout |
kakobrekla: no, fuck you, i like S.LIMBS moar |
15:41 |
kakobrekla |
davout the only stock you are ipoing is S.LAUGHING ! |
15:41 |
fluffypony |
I'm so sad my S.LIMBS thread got deleted |
15:41 |
fluffypony |
forum mods suck |
15:41 |
* |
jurov as all for S.BUTTCO |
15:41 |
davout |
i'm still fucking waiting for NAT.ROUTERS |
15:41 |
jurov |
or it's rather F.BUTTCO ? |
15:42 |
kakobrekla |
sounds like some 80' computer company |
15:44 |
davout |
kakobrekla: "sounds like some 80' computer company" <<< looks like we don't speak the same english |
15:44 |
kakobrekla |
prolly |
15:46 |
davout |
gotta love the "100% non illegal" thing |
15:47 |
kakobrekla |
;;tslb |
15:47 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 10 minutes and 6 seconds |
15:47 |
kakobrekla |
aw fuck |
15:49 |
davout |
at least it doesn't return 10,000 minutes XD |
15:49 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
15:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-] |
15:50 |
khersonus |
davout: from bitcoin-central TOS "The PLATFORM allows the CUSTOMER to submit TRADE ORDERS for the purchase or sale of Bitcoins" << probably a stupid question, but how does VAT not apply to that? |
15:50 |
davout |
khersonus: it's not a stupid question |
15:50 |
davout |
we're simply not counterparty to trades |
15:50 |
Apocalyptic |
khersonus, it does apply I think |
15:50 |
Apocalyptic |
on the fees |
15:50 |
davout |
basically the way it works is that you have an account in BTC |
15:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.041 = 0.574 BTC [-] |
15:50 |
davout |
a EUR account in your name with our financial partner |
15:51 |
davout |
you're mandating us, and pay us to simply shuffle money around these accounts |
15:51 |
Apocalyptic |
they are just providing the service, in exchange for the fee, so the VAT is levied on that |
15:51 |
khersonus |
davout: so if I sell/buy on bitcoin-central, should someone on one side of the trade technically pay vat? |
15:52 |
davout |
it's your money deposited in EUR, in your name, and you give us a mandate to move it around, the mandate is the trick |
15:52 |
davout |
VAT applies on our fee, so on 0.59% charged there's a part that goes in the pocket of the motherland |
15:52 |
khersonus |
I see |
15:52 |
davout |
"should someone on one side of the trade technically pay vat?" <<< you're the first one to actually make this very good comment |
15:53 |
davout |
the answer is "technically, probably yes, but that's not bitcoin-central's problem" |
15:53 |
jurov |
yes i'm supposed to pay VAT once my company oversteps 49k EUR/365 days |
15:53 |
khersonus |
davout: interesting, thanks |
15:53 |
kakobrekla |
usually its up to end user to handle that shit with local authorities |
15:53 |
davout |
it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might technically be one for corporate ones |
15:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088134 = 10.0032 BTC [+] |
15:54 |
davout |
(only corporations are subject to VAT) |
15:54 |
jurov |
davout it *is* one |
15:54 |
HeySteve |
re: bitcoin foundation again, members are resigning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603590.0 |
15:54 |
Apocalyptic |
jurov, I believe it's the running year btw |
15:54 |
jurov |
yes, that's why i wrote 365 days |
15:54 |
Apocalyptic |
"za poslednych 12 mesiacov" |
15:54 |
Apocalyptic |
ok |
15:54 |
davout |
khersonus: like jurov points out, in some specific corporation setups there are thresholds for applicability |
15:55 |
jurov |
i can avoid it only by supplying an evidence that whatever landed on company account were payments for services delivered to outside EU |
15:55 |
davout |
we have the same kind of thing in france with the "auto-entrepreneur" setup, the way it works though, is that if you go over the threshold you lose the AE status and are required to create a different type of corp. which in practice results in the same thing as jurov |
15:55 |
kakobrekla |
lol foundation self owned themselfs |
15:55 |
davout |
jurov: yeah, that too |
15:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4650001 BTC [+] |
15:56 |
davout |
kakobrekla: link ? |
15:56 |
kakobrekla |
well what HeySteve said and https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/951-post-your-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-here/ |
15:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00088407 = 12.2886 BTC [+] {3} |
15:57 |
jurov |
!up lolstate |
15:57 |
assbot |
Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes. |
15:57 |
jurov |
!up Visitor |
15:57 |
assbot |
Voicing Visitor for 30 minutes. |
15:57 |
HeySteve |
this brock guy is the last straw |
15:57 |
HeySteve |
they're not even trying any more |
15:57 |
kakobrekla |
they now have a dedicated "post your resignation here" thread |
15:57 |
davout |
kakobrekla: oh sorry, i missed that |
15:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.041 = 4.1 BTC [-] |
15:59 |
fluffypony |
only 1 resignation thus far |
15:59 |
fluffypony |
but |
15:59 |
jurov |
two |
15:59 |
fluffypony |
someone has come out and said they'll go up to Platinum |
15:59 |
HeySteve |
yeah check the foundation forum |
15:59 |
pankkake |
meh, caring about the children. |
15:59 |
fluffypony |
if the pedophile resigns |
15:59 |
khersonus |
davout: so for your X.EUR future on mpex, if someone wanted EUR though b-c, should bitcoin-central be paying VAT on that? (because as far as I can tell, there's no fee, so the tax wouldn't come from the fee) |
15:59 |
pankkake |
as if this guy was the real issue. and what about that booby lee fucker? |
15:59 |
HeySteve |
at least bobby lee isn't another american |
15:59 |
HeySteve |
needs more int'l and less crims |
15:59 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: I think this is the straw that is breaking the camel's back |
16:00 |
HeySteve |
fluffypony, for me it is. if I ever write on the foundation, I'll use those lovely scam labels |
16:00 |
davout |
khersonus: BC is not directly involved in X.EUR, however, I do use it to systematically hedge all X.EUR trades, so the tax/fee link is only indirect |
16:00 |
fluffypony |
lol |
16:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 97 @ 0.041 = 3.977 BTC [-] |
16:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2774 @ 0.00012772 = 0.3543 BTC [-] {2} |
16:02 |
pankkake |
"Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast" |
16:02 |
kakobrekla |
anyway, Luke-Jr now has a buddy to talk to and exchange the various graphic materials in the foundation |
16:02 |
kakobrekla |
so theres that. |
16:03 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: we call them slip-slops...but we call traffic lights "robots" so South African English isn't much to go on |
16:03 |
Apocalyptic |
Luke is into this child porn thing ? |
16:03 |
pankkake |
kakobrekla just likes to slander |
16:03 |
Apocalyptic |
oic |
16:04 |
kakobrekla |
fuck you you fuckin scamming noob ! |
16:04 |
Apocalyptic |
dat kako |
16:04 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: pay him to troll, he's cheap! |
16:04 |
pankkake |
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19292.0 "As you know, both are champions of Litecoin" |
16:05 |
pankkake |
and I'd rather have a child rapist than a litecoiner anyway |
16:07 |
jurov |
pankkake so you care about scamdation now? |
16:07 |
kakobrekla |
does it make a difference if you piss or shit in the sewage pankkake ? |
16:08 |
kakobrekla |
same question meh. |
16:08 |
pankkake |
I'm not sure what makes you think that |
16:08 |
davout |
pankkake: "and I'd rather have a child rapist than a litecoiner anyway" <<< lmao |
16:08 |
kakobrekla |
for wife or ? |
16:08 |
pankkake |
I don't think anyone cared for real, I only learned about who was on the board with the various scandals |
16:09 |
jurov |
we're just interested in your reasoning why |
16:10 |
kakobrekla |
jurov pankkake is just trying to be provocative by being a pussy |
16:10 |
pankkake |
exactly. |
16:11 |
jurov |
oh. anyway, both cases are still better that some fag hater |
16:11 |
jurov |
like that eichmann @ mozilla |
16:11 |
pankkake |
lol |
16:12 |
HeySteve |
heh never understood that |
16:12 |
HeySteve |
what does the guy's opinion have to do with ability to run a business? |
16:12 |
* |
fluffypony hah hah, someone is trying to pull a scam of some sort - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=328152 |
16:12 |
pankkake |
lol |
16:12 |
jurov |
HeySteve: it boiled down to "we must show them" |
16:13 |
davout |
fluffypony: lol |
16:13 |
HeySteve |
lol fluffypony |
16:13 |
kakobrekla |
i would fell for 'thermos' |
16:13 |
davout |
fluffypony: here you go, banned, if he wasn't already |
16:13 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: btw railzand mentioned to me that TF has cleaned up his forum sig and now has a BitBet affiliate link in his signature |
16:13 |
fluffypony |
dat ploy for legitimacy |
16:14 |
davout |
nah, looks like he was banned already |
16:14 |
kakobrekla |
lol wtf fluffypony |
16:14 |
fluffypony |
kakobrekla: maybe he's hoping to recover enough money to pay everyone back :-P |
16:15 |
kakobrekla |
he should take advice from Ukyo |
16:15 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
16:15 |
davout |
fluffypony: if mircea_popescu was around he'd probably tell you it could actually be his best opportunity XD |
16:15 |
fluffypony |
Nefario, Ukyo, and TradeFortress walk into a bar |
16:15 |
* |
fluffypony starts writing a joke |
16:15 |
kakobrekla |
0 btc come out. |
16:15 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
16:15 |
davout |
LOL |
16:15 |
kakobrekla |
or |
16:15 |
kakobrekla |
cant afford for a drink. |
16:15 |
Apocalyptic |
heh |
16:15 |
kakobrekla |
pick one |
16:15 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
16:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07212034 = 0.3606 BTC [+] |
16:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] |
16:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26647 @ 0.00088097 = 23.4752 BTC [-] {2} |
16:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07212034 = 0.1442 BTC [+] |
16:29 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu:hey skinnkavaj do you see any reason i couldn't fuck michelle obama's daughters on film ? <- sorry to disappoint: http://i.imgur.com/xIguvy2.jpg |
16:31 |
pankkake |
I'd rather fuck the Bush daughters |
16:32 |
HeySteve |
haha |
16:34 |
HeySteve |
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-10/ukraine-scrambles-figher-jets-intercepts-airplane-carrying-russian-deputy-premier |
16:34 |
ozbot |
Ukraine Scrambles Fighter Jets, Intercepts Airplane Carrying Russian Deputy Premier | Zero Hedge |
16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony fuck |
16:37 |
fluffypony |
oh don't worry, mircea_popescu - follow up message: http://i.imgur.com/ZCb1fik.jpg |
16:37 |
fluffypony |
looks like it's all clear |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
does she even have daughters ? |
16:38 |
fluffypony |
nfi |
16:38 |
pankkake |
two, I googlimaged it. one seems quite young |
16:39 |
fluffypony |
and we wouldn't want more pedo talk in here |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile some place completely different : https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/465212935288422400 |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony that's right, this is the channel of the minority of people into bitcoin that aren't also pedos. |
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↖ |
16:40 |
fluffypony |
Etretat: http://i.imgur.com/MHrnQCe.jpg - looks like a scene from Planet of the Apes |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
uh. the mother is actually marginally fuckable. the daughters however... |
16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd rather fuck an oven mit. |
16:42 |
pankkake |
is it?! |
16:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44089 @ 0.00088502 = 39.0196 BTC [+] {4} |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells. The owner of MPEx has multiple aliases that he posts boosting his own image. The first post "Peter Lambert" posted on this thread, was a copy paste they have posted on other security threads before." |
16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
o look at that. |
16:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8510 @ 0.00088754 = 7.553 BTC [+] |
16:43 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yeah we were joking about the "shells" thing the other day |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
<kakobrekla> imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on the long run << obviously not. but let the circus of irrelevancy have their fun. |
16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
so mpex is a scam, and cryptostocks is an exchange. i wonder what melanoma is. |
16:46 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Melanoma is a beauty mark. |
16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
a hip new fashion or a corporate conspiracy ? |
16:47 |
BingoBoingo |
And Fournier's gangerene is a sign of verility. |
16:47 |
davout |
"verility" <<< being a true man |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: |
16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
>I found a way to generate Bitcoins even faster then every Miner, in a legal way. the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal. << in general, the mark of a trustworthy doctor or medicine is that it promises to cure 100% whatever health issue you may have, and similarly the mark of competent legal counsel is that they issue 100% non illegalcy certifications |
16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
o look it's a khersonus |
16:49 |
jurov |
FTFY: the doctor must have certificate issued by lawyer |
16:49 |
fluffypony |
also don't forget dat guarantee |
16:49 |
jurov |
and vice versa |
16:49 |
fluffypony |
"A TOTAL LOST OF COINS IS IMPOSSIBLE." |
16:50 |
fluffypony |
it's impossible because running away with them is not a loss in the truest sense of the word |
16:50 |
davout |
i would only be half-surprised if the actual business plan turns out to be an investment in feincoin |
16:50 |
fluffypony |
lol |
16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
hello guys. i was told i can find someone on this internet that can rake my yard |
16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
in exchange for a pencil. |
16:54 |
davout |
"if you were michelle obama i'd be marginally interested in raking your yard with my pencil" |
16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: or it's rather F.BUTTCO ? < i would suspect it'd be X.BUTTCO |
16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
davout lol good one |
16:54 |
khersonus |
oh hey mp |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
davout: it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might technically be one for corporate ones << im not so sure about that. afaik, most jurisdictions require the provider to collect vat for the customer. |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why when you buy a pencil in a shop, the vat shows up on your bill. even if you should have paid it, the shop is not legally allowed to just sell you the pencil |
16:56 |
mircea_popescu |
they have to also act the tax man, and collect and pay ~for you~ the vat ~you owe~ for the government's convenience. |
16:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3603 @ 0.00088079 = 3.1735 BTC [-] |
16:57 |
davout |
you mean, the second part of the statement, you're not sure about, right? |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
HeySteve: re: bitcoin foundation again, members are resigning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603590.0 << lmao you know the BF's desperate for attention when they're actually begging for people disgusted by them to actually leave comments on their otherwise dead forum |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
"please guys, spit on us, urinate, anything anything as long as we're involved in any way!" |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
davout i mean as a corporation selling to natural persons, you may or may not end up in hot water with whatever local tax authority if you don't give them a vat. |
16:58 |
mircea_popescu |
because, logically, they will wish to be paid, and will lean on whatever is available. |
16:59 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: didn't really think about it this way, if the corp. selling coins on BC gets audited they'd be the one getting in trouble, i hear your point though |
16:59 |
mircea_popescu |
especially seeing how france works with regards to tax and its budget, |
17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i wouldn't count on them not doing something such as changing the tax code mid exercise and then insisting you comply. |
17:00 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: but one thing to keep in mind is that contrary to all the other exchanges, we never actually touch the fiat being moved aroud, me merely trigger a transfer between accounts that do not belong to us legally |
17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
such stuff has been seen in romania, poland, the czech republic and if memory serves the uk |
17:00 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: retroactive tax law changes are something that has happened in france as well AFAIK |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
so a bit of a dubious terrain, is all i'm saying. |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
this, of course, in stark contrast with the 100% non illegal certs better people are getting. |
17:01 |
davout |
our defense here is simply "we never touch the money", we're simply mandated to trigger the move between accounts :D |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
yes yes i get that, there isn't a third reich because you live in the poznan forest, rather than on the warta field |
17:02 |
davout |
at least, if that ever happens and we get fined into nothingness, the customer funds are safe because they don't sit on our corp. accts |
17:02 |
davout |
phew |
17:02 |
Apocalyptic |
<davout> mircea_popescu: retroactive tax law changes are something that has happened in france as well AFAIK // oh yeah it did |
17:02 |
Apocalyptic |
like the PEA taxation recently |
17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
davout im not even sure how it works there, but if memory serves you can't even bankruptcy if you've been fined |
17:03 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves so are you concerned that by going to amsterdam you may end up on teh interpol pedo watch list ? |
17:03 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: never heard about that, the taxman is a privileged creditor for sure, but how would that work? |
17:03 |
Apocalyptic |
heh mircea |
17:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2295 @ 0.00087876 = 2.0168 BTC [-] |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
davout well, you file for chapter 11 or w/e equivalent, the da intervenes and objects |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
civil suit (ie, the bankruptcy) is suspended during penal proceedings |
17:04 |
davout |
ya, guess you mean it becomes personal liability at that point |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no strict limit on how long they may take, so it can be 25 years. |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
davout no, he doesn't have to actually prosecute it. |
17:05 |
davout |
but, penal against whom ? |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
doesn't matter. |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose there's company x. it owes 110 euros and has assets of 100 euros. right ? |
17:05 |
davout |
penal as in surprise penis in butt |
17:05 |
davout |
right |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
at this point general manager or w/e party the executive power is vested in is legally required to file for bankruptcy or supervised reorganisation/reconstitution/we |
17:06 |
davout |
okay |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a civil suit. the judge receives an objection from the state's tax attorney, stating that they consider they're owed five eurocents in fines. |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
and - importantly - that they intend to prosecute the matter. |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
the judge sets the file aside. |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
end of story. |
17:07 |
davout |
to me it works in the following way |
17:07 |
davout |
assets 100, liability 110 |
17:07 |
davout |
taxman takes whatever is owed to them, other creditors take the rest |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
not how this works |
17:07 |
davout |
i'm not finished |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
IF the taxman claims they intend to prosecute the matter. |
17:07 |
jurov |
taxman must do an audit first |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
but you never get that far. i know how it goes on your branch, but youy never get to tyhat branch |
17:08 |
jurov |
and ask you whatever they want... that can take time |
17:08 |
davout |
someone may object (taxman or whoever else) may object that the bankruptcy was fraudulent and that there was deliberate actions made to diminish the assets, in this case the general manager can get prosecuted personnally |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
17:09 |
davout |
heard about this a few times already |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the taxman;'s objection is priviledged |
17:09 |
davout |
yea, i know |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not of the same nature as everyone else's (those are resolved part of the civil suit) |
17:09 |
davout |
people actually get barred from managing corporations |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the situation you find yourself in, practically, is that the 100 euro assets are now locked up, and deteriorating, under court "supervision" |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
and you can't touch them. and everyone waits. |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
since it's a small corp, nobody cares, and it can wait forever. |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the particular fissure of a kafkaesque nature i wish to draw your attention to. |
17:10 |
davout |
in france, there's usually a "suit" if the bankruptcy is fraudulent, a liquidation process goes in front of a judge as well tho, but it's not really a lawsuit |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
but that's what im saying. it doesn't have to get that far. |
17:10 |
pankkake |
I believe this is how it works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-9j9Io-gTk |
17:11 |
davout |
in france, as far as i know, if a company is not solvent, there *must* be a liquidator appointed |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
davout sure. |
17:11 |
davout |
i may be dead wrong here, never had a company liquidated :D |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
no, you're right. hes appointed. he takes a hoinorary. |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and waits for the da to finish its investigation. |
17:11 |
davout |
pankkake: fucking classical |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
till 2028 or w/e |
17:12 |
davout |
afaik the fact that a liquidator is appointed doesn't mean there's an investigation |
17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
dude you're refusing to see what im saying. again from the top. |
17:13 |
davout |
the way i understand it, is that there's two cases, either the bankruptcy is considered "normal", or "fraudulent", in the former it's liquidator, in the latter it's liquidator + investigation |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
company is insolvent. management has to report this. management does. |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
court takes note. court starts insolvency proceedings. |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
taxman takes note. taxman notifies court. |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
court sets all proceedings aside pending result of taxman investigation. |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
investigation takes forever. |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
insolvency is never resolved. |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
~ fin ~ |
17:13 |
davout |
aah, i guess the part i missed was that it was a taxman led investigation |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
so now you can sit and look at your 100 euros turning into dust in a warehouse somewhere. |
17:14 |
davout |
i'll have a look at that |
17:15 |
jurov |
well, i fail to find anything such in slovak law practice |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
now, if it's a big company, it can perhaps push for this to resolve. |
17:15 |
jurov |
in fact, the opposite thing happened |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but considering the state of the dockets, all over the "civilised" world, a < billion corp stands zero chance to be even noticed. |
17:15 |
davout |
but from what you say, the taxman, if he has a claim against the company has an actual incentive to speed things up, assuming he's paying himself *after* his investigation, which would make sense in a somewhat sane system |
17:15 |
jurov |
taxmen delayed VAT returns fdue to "ongoing investigation" |
17:15 |
jurov |
so some companies bankrupted |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
davout he has a perverse incentive : he knows that you're a sucker, and would rather pay him than wait. |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
so he waits so you pay. |
17:15 |
jurov |
regardless of tax investigation |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov that's vat returns stuff, an entirely different piece of related nonsense. |
17:16 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: how can i pay him if my assets are frozen during the investigation? |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
davout take your wife to amsterdam ? |
17:16 |
jurov |
but it was the same kind of investigation |
17:18 |
davout |
i don't see how it would make sense to drop a tax-related investigation on frozen corporate assets by having a shareholder, or general manager, paying money out of his pocket |
17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
one of the many many COUNTLESS reasons a businessman absolutely must have a well read blog at his disposal. |
17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
once that sort of shit starts, you start publishing the lolz. |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
davout because if w/e they calculated is owed is paid, then they have no further grounds to investigate. |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake: "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast" << for some reason that immediately sent me to http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nigerian-scammers.jpg |
17:20 |
davout |
so what were they investigating about in the first place if it wasn't "calculate exactly how we're being owed" ??? |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
davout right. |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
you are starting to understand bureaucracy, the legal system and how states work. |
17:20 |
davout |
if they weren't investigating about that, they were investigating about fraud, and you don't get out such an investigation by simply throwing money at them |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
davout it's simpler than that : they don't have to be specific before they finish the investigation |
17:21 |
pankkake |
French fisc agents are allowed to offer "deals" btw |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a game-theoretic asset : they won't say. maybe they are. maybe they aren't. what do you want ? |
17:22 |
davout |
so you just pay them some random amount ? |
17:22 |
mircea_popescu |
no, you pay them what they ask you. then they make the paperwork read that's what you were supposed to pay. |
17:23 |
davout |
i *never* heard about such a thing |
17:24 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, but you never spent a million on consel in any fiscal year either. |
17:25 |
davout |
true, have you ? |
17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, actually. |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake: I'd rather fuck the Bush daughters << but those were sluts |
17:26 |
pankkake |
what's wrong with sluts? |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't have to get skinnkavaj to ask his magical "i can't see why not" device to bed those |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
principle of magical economy : only use the really powerful delusionist spells when really needed. |
17:27 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: are you implying that a million needs to be spent in legal counsel to have something like that explained ? |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
davout the implication is that particular malfunctions of a broken system are only visible at a certain height, nothing else |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i just explained it to you for free, after all. |
17:28 |
davout |
that was the implied question :-) |
17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
your objection that it doesn't fit with your experience, unsound as it may be in theory, is also easily dispatched in practice. |
17:29 |
davout |
i don't object reasoning on the basis that it doesn't fit my experience |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
<davout> i *never* heard about such a thing << what's that then ? |
17:29 |
davout |
not an objection, simply the expression that it didn't fit my experience :) |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
oh ok. |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i am sure, if you go to the chamber of commerce or w/e people gather in paris these days and ask, you will find at least one or two people caught in something of the sort. |
17:30 |
davout |
what i'm saying is that it is not comprised in the set of the things i know about how the law works |
17:31 |
davout |
look, the french tax code has this concept of "abus de droit" |
17:31 |
davout |
from there, anything becomes possible |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
well yeah but we're here to expand it :D |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes lol. |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
"you have a right, provided you don't use it in a way we didn't foresee or don't like" |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ancient german law nonsense. |
17:31 |
davout |
for those who don't speak french, "abus de droit" means that you're "overusing" the law to your advantage, and that, in itself is unlawful |
17:32 |
davout |
my dad's an accountant, when he told me about this thing, i was like "no fucking way" |
17:33 |
davout |
he told me to shut up and eat my soup, the moral of the story is that you're better off keeping your assets in bitcoin XD |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
he has a point. eat your lentils! |
17:35 |
davout |
he was actually in his borscht phase |
17:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-] |
17:41 |
mircea_popescu |
ah i love a good bors |
17:43 |
davout |
yea, don't get too excited, he just entered his "no-fat fries" phase |
17:44 |
pankkake |
how does that even work :/ |
17:44 |
davout |
pankkake: http://p3.storage.canalblog.com/36/79/280237/14881225.jpg |
17:44 |
pankkake |
oh, I think my dad has this horror too |
17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
olestra ? |
17:45 |
pankkake |
but the bad thing for you is the fry, not the fat |
17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't get this no fat frying bs. use canola oil, it'll be fine |
17:46 |
pankkake |
belgian fries, now that's something |
17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
do they abuse preteens ? |
17:46 |
pankkake |
ahah |
17:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00088031 = 15.1853 BTC [+] |
17:46 |
davout |
pankkake: +beer |
17:47 |
davout |
pankkake: +francois damiens making pictures of naked women |
17:47 |
davout |
how was that movie called again |
17:47 |
pankkake |
dikkenek? |
17:47 |
davout |
pankkake: YES |
17:48 |
davout |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApR8gT8t9JU |
17:48 |
ozbot |
Dikkenek shooting photo - YouTube |
17:49 |
davout |
"PAS COMMENCER A JOUER AVEC MES COUILLES HEIN" |
17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this ? |
17:50 |
davout |
pure awesomeness |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
mais qu'est ce que tu fais ici la fille |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
17:52 |
nanotube |
kakobrekla: long time ago. google killed their api. |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
LTC-Global was a dba of btctc right ? |
18:06 |
artifexd |
I think it was the reverse, but yeah, they were run by the same guy. |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
a yeah, right you are, burnside was derping on ltc with this thing, then when nefario closed down abruptly for unspecified legal reasons one week after declaring he's legally 100% not illegal at the conference where he scammed clueless rms into showing up |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
suddenl;y turned around and made it into a btc exchange because why the fuck not, he's competent and smart and brilliant. or, in the words of today's equivalent, |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"Dear Forum Members, some people here accuse us false of scam. Fact is not one person here or on BitcoinBourse.eu was scammed by us." |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
o lordy. |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
"If you not like the PHP coding we can't help you, but we are sure our system is very professional programmed." |
18:13 |
davout |
Markus Weiler, where does one even start |
18:13 |
kakobrekla |
with rails obviously. |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
the public rails on weiler ? |
18:14 |
davout |
kakobrekla: does not compute |
18:14 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: a dependency has failed to compute |
18:14 |
pankkake |
he hasn't stopped stalking me… |
18:15 |
pankkake |
apparently I'm every troll for him |
18:15 |
kakobrekla |
davout yes i would imagine. |
18:15 |
davout |
pankkake: whatever, you're jelly because he doesn't make blog posts about you |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
davout syntax error |
18:15 |
pankkake |
still with the wrong identity |
18:15 |
pankkake |
this is annoying |
18:15 |
kakobrekla |
im just fucking around while im dicking around cause i know you like to fuck with your dick |
18:16 |
jurov |
what happens here? |
18:16 |
davout |
kakobrekla: we herd you like dicks |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov tits fucks you with his dick |
18:16 |
davout |
SO WE PUT A DICK IN YOUR BUTT, BITCH |
18:16 |
kakobrekla |
he wishes. |
18:17 |
jurov |
and who's the tit here? |
18:17 |
davout |
!up dotcoin |
18:17 |
assbot |
Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes. |
18:17 |
davout |
jackpot |
18:17 |
dotcoin |
David Francois you have a very big mouth with your scam |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
!up dotcoin |
18:17 |
assbot |
Voice for dotcoin extended to 30 minutes. |
18:17 |
davout |
dotcoin: hello markus |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
o you two know each other ? |
18:17 |
dotcoin |
do you come to monaco on april 24 |
18:17 |
dotcoin |
want to meet you |
18:17 |
kakobrekla |
jurov a part of my name sounds like tits and means dick |
18:17 |
davout |
dotcoin: i don't do autographs |
18:18 |
dotcoin |
still not i jail wonders me |
18:18 |
kakobrekla |
who is raping the logs!? |
18:18 |
dotcoin |
asyour friend mark |
18:18 |
kakobrekla |
dotcoin 1st of april is over dude. |
18:19 |
dotcoin |
why you not tell the people your relation to karpeles |
18:19 |
davout |
ladies and gentlemen, dotcoin, operator of bitcoinbourse |
18:19 |
dotcoin |
you search at other people to fuck them but you are the friend of must fucking scamer in the world |
18:19 |
dotcoin |
welcome world |
18:19 |
BingoBoingo |
dotcoin: What bourse do? |
18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
dotcoin you know, everyone that's been in here for a long time knows everyone else. |
18:20 |
kakobrekla |
dotcoin what is his relation to karpeles? being french? |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
davout is not special in this regard |
18:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00088115 = 17.4468 BTC [+] {3} |
18:20 |
dotcoin |
yes ok i don't know anyone here |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just that you're new, and that makes you think knowing pirate/karpeles/whoever is remarkable. |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not, not for us. |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, i even know imsaguy and inau |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
and gigavps. and a ton of other scammers. |
18:20 |
dotcoin |
i read only some times some shit people talking about me |
18:20 |
davout |
dotcoin: also, had you actually watched the video you're screenshotting, you'd have seen i'm in essence telling him he's full of shit, in 2011 |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
dotcoin forget about yourself, you're a negligible quantity at this point. |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
read everything else. |
18:21 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: he is completely unable to absorb any external advice |
18:21 |
dotcoin |
syou can advice me |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i don't know the guy |
18:21 |
jurov |
i'd try asciilifeform's audio heterodyning instead |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
18:21 |
dotcoin |
but don't accuse me of scam as there is no scam on bitcoin bourse guys |
18:22 |
BingoBoingo |
dotcoin: Can Bourse Bitcoin for make me? |
18:22 |
davout |
;;rate dotcoin 1 for the purpose of further lulz |
18:22 |
gribble |
Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. |
18:22 |
mircea_popescu |
davout srsly dood ;/ |
18:23 |
kakobrekla |
<dotcoin> but don't accuse me of scam as there is no scam on bitcoin bourse guys < dont you owe btc to jurov ? |
18:23 |
davout |
dotcoin: at least i have to give you credit for coming all the way to -assets |
18:23 |
kakobrekla |
davout trice. |
18:23 |
jurov |
no he owes something to forensick |
18:23 |
jurov |
i'm just an "investor" |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
davout yes but rating is going to far, srsly. |
18:23 |
* |
Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"I've disagreed with pankkake before (on the subject of altcoins) and he's called me an idiot and I've told him he's wrong. " << look at that! |
18:23 |
dotcoin |
not own forensicks bitcoins are you drunk man |
18:23 |
kakobrekla |
Apocalyptic thatd be 0.1 btc |
18:23 |
Apocalyptic |
<davout> dotcoin: at least i have to give you credit for coming all the way to -assets // he's done it before |
18:23 |
jurov |
that was denied any financial reports whatsoever |
18:24 |
Apocalyptic |
must be a regular reader of teh logs |
18:24 |
jurov |
yes he is, he sent me nastymails within minutes of me mentioning him last previously |
18:24 |
jurov |
then i published it on my blog |
18:24 |
Apocalyptic |
he became agressive after jurov mentionned going to the AMF |
18:25 |
kakobrekla |
i said logs arent magic pill :\ |
18:25 |
dotcoin |
yes he can go to amf i wish him good luck |
18:25 |
Apocalyptic |
<kakobrekla> Apocalyptic thatd be 0.1 btc // fuck you kako that's my corn |
18:25 |
davout |
Apocalyptic: AMF deals with financial markets, not with braindamage |
18:26 |
jurov |
lol |
18:26 |
assbot |
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18:26 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 2 |
18:26 |
kakobrekla |
Apocalyptic if it would be mine it would be .5 |
18:26 |
BingoBoingo |
dotcoin: Srs, does bourse Bitcoin have your for more making? |
18:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-] |
18:27 |
dotcoin |
so davout why we not talking little bit here about bitcoin central |
18:27 |
dotcoin |
and your famous french bitcoin foundation |
18:27 |
Apocalyptic |
davout, he's pretending to run one, however misconstructed damaged the thingis |
18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
dotcoin you mean about the vat again or just in general ? |
18:27 |
davout |
Apocalyptic: my daughter pretends the cushions are castle walls |
18:27 |
dotcoin |
jurov does amf also view coinbr? |
18:28 |
benkay |
dotcoin: is there a way to see what paper is trading on bourse without signing up? |
18:28 |
dotcoin |
yes of course |
18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
davout little does she know that the snow is the actual castle walls. |
18:28 |
davout |
dotcoin: maybe, tell them to ask me if they need a referral code |
18:28 |
jurov |
dotcoin, they are welcome to view it |
18:29 |
benkay |
dotcoin: where can i see that list? |
18:29 |
dotcoin |
@jurov than is good man |
18:29 |
dotcoin |
referal link from you darov |
18:29 |
mircea_popescu |
don't tell me he types the names by hand |
18:29 |
dotcoin |
yes @benkay go to site second slider shares click read more |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
no urls on your internet ? |
18:30 |
kakobrekla |
d and j are right next to each other |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla on special dj keyboards, yes they are. |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
also on macs |
18:30 |
benkay |
a carousel is now a nav bar |
18:30 |
pankkake |
darov is just the child of jurov and davout |
18:30 |
benkay |
o.O |
18:30 |
jurov |
dotcoin and what about publishing order book and volume? |
18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake that'd be juout |
18:30 |
dotcoin |
i guess pankkake is the child from them |
18:31 |
dotcoin |
login to see order book |
18:31 |
Apocalyptic |
why not make it available for everyone |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
dotcoin do you at least show diff order books to each login, icbit style ? |
18:31 |
Apocalyptic |
haha |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
or php === not advanced yet ? |
18:31 |
jurov |
and volume is not available even on login... |
18:32 |
Apocalyptic |
the "at least" is somehow not shocking |
18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic it'd be entertaining lol |
18:32 |
Apocalyptic |
%b |
18:32 |
dotcoin |
but what you critic this time jurov? the order book? last time was the dividends, next time is what ? should i go to your site and start searching |
18:32 |
jurov |
oh and did i mention that you can issue standing orders for fixed expiration of 3 days or market orders and nothing else? |
18:33 |
kakobrekla |
LAST TIME IT WAS THE DIVIDENDS |
18:33 |
BingoBoingo |
has dotcoin orderbooks that ========= something legit each inlog |
18:33 |
Apocalyptic |
mod6, is atcbot broken ? |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov that's how they did it in viking times |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
%t |
18:33 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
18:33 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 225 Ask: 239 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 1k High: 239 Low: 195 VWAP: 211 |
18:33 |
atcbot |
60k@242 64k@240 25k@239 | 116k@225 4k@195 90k@156 |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
seems he's fine |
18:34 |
Apocalyptic |
ok, thought %b was an alias for %book |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i think it stands for block |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
if anything |
18:34 |
Apocalyptic |
some interesting bid @225 |
18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
<dotcoin> but what you critic this time jurov? the order book? last time was the dividends, next time is what ? should i go to your site and start searching << this approach is fundamentally broken. even should you prove everyone else is stupid, that'll still not make you smart. |
18:35 |
dotcoin |
@mircea i want to be smart for you nor i search friends here |
18:35 |
Duffer1 |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5991333#msg5991333 |
18:35 |
ozbot |
Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake' |
18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
look at that, 1k atc volume. amusingly, it's displaying the bitcoin hoarding behaviours too! |
18:36 |
Duffer1 |
how did it go with the internet police dotcoin? |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
dotcoin that's also fundamentally broken. if you have friends here, you'll be ok. if you do not, you will fail, even should the entire world come to try and rescue you. |
18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
as karpeles found out through bitter experience, as vessenes will, etc. |
18:36 |
BingoBoingo |
need dotcoin friends no |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
world tried to rescue karp? |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo kickass lol. |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes. |
18:37 |
dotcoin |
do you want become my friend? |
18:37 |
dotcoin |
lol |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
as far as paying out of pocket to fly to fucking japan. |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
afaik that was just the 'are you solvent?' sign guy |
18:37 |
jurov |
http://live.coinbr.com/images/bbsbook-fs8.png dotcoin, so let's talk about order book. you (and everyone) don't see anything untoward here? |
18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov basically, he's hacked a time auction package, sort-of adapted it for "bitcoin stock exchange" ? |
18:38 |
jurov |
looks like that. |
18:39 |
dotcoin |
hm you needs now what jurov a order book? |
18:39 |
dotcoin |
and after |
18:39 |
dotcoin |
? |
18:39 |
jurov |
no you need one |
18:39 |
dotcoin |
so why you not create your own stock exchange i ask myself if you can do all better |
18:40 |
assbot |
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18:40 |
kakobrekla |
!b 1 |
18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions << this is what i mean, for the people following at home. |
18:40 |
ozbot |
Fraud.org - Penny auctions may 2013 |
18:40 |
dotcoin |
i mean before bitcoinbourse was not good enough for you guys, |
18:40 |
dotcoin |
than we create and redesign new |
18:41 |
dotcoin |
than you always not happy with it |
18:41 |
kakobrekla |
dotcoin a scam in a nice box is still a scam |
18:41 |
kakobrekla |
not trying to imply you have a nice box, just saying. |
18:41 |
davout |
and a retard with moar css is still a retard |
18:41 |
dotcoin |
and do you have any scammed people here kakobrekla are you scammed by me? |
18:41 |
kakobrekla |
dotcoin your approaches are scammy |
18:41 |
davout |
"not trying to imply you have a nice box" <<< lmao |
18:42 |
dotcoin |
tell me are you scammed by me? |
18:42 |
davout |
dotcoin: look, nobody here is stupid enough to get scammed by you |
18:42 |
davout |
(except jurov maybe) |
18:42 |
dotcoin |
davout you have a mirror yes? look at famous foundation and bitcoin central |
18:42 |
davout |
XD |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
davout lmao ziiing |
18:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 241 @ 0.00089867 = 0.2166 BTC [+] |
18:42 |
dotcoin |
we was never been down 4 month for been hacked |
18:42 |
davout |
dotcoin: yo, what about it ? |
18:42 |
mircea_popescu |
dotcoin why would somebody hack you ? |
18:42 |
kakobrekla |
dotcoin you are scamming us out of our time with being retarded |
18:43 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla yes but im not gonna down him because i do not wish to be the evil tyrant |
18:43 |
davout |
kakobrekla: no, fuck that, the laugh is worth it |
18:43 |
dotcoin |
lol |
18:43 |
kakobrekla |
fine have him but i pay for logs server. |
18:43 |
kakobrekla |
running low on packets. |
18:44 |
dotcoin |
the script kiddies here even have no plan to shut down a wordpress site |
18:44 |
jurov |
kakobrekla: you can offset it by offering assbot ad slots |
18:44 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
18:45 |
davout |
jurov kakobrekla that'd be a complementary business model for this guy -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603670.msg6658822 |
18:45 |
dotcoin |
but ok i see there is no serious discussion here everyone accuse other of scam thats all |
18:45 |
jurov |
dotcoin because you evade the questions |
18:45 |
davout |
dotcoin: what about bitcoin-central and the french association ? |
18:45 |
jurov |
i am asking, how can you consider the order book usable? |
18:46 |
jurov |
for example you can't easily find lowest offer |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
<dotcoin> but ok i see there is no serious discussion here << i lolled. |
18:46 |
dotcoin |
you not can find lowest offer? |
18:46 |
jurov |
it's confusing whether it's about bid/ask side |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i not can find word order in soup! |
18:46 |
davout |
dotcoin: also your buy and sell are backwards |
18:47 |
davout |
Buy: 338.00 € Sell: 301.00 € |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
davout don't you do it that way in france ? |
18:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-] |
18:47 |
davout |
!up dotcoin |
18:47 |
assbot |
Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes. |
18:48 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: whaddaya mean |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov definitely, i tell you. he's taken a software package intended for a penny auction site and hacked it together. it's so fucking obvious. that pseudo "book" could no other way be explained. |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
davout backwards. |
18:48 |
davout |
in the butt? |
18:48 |
jurov |
dotcoin, also, how you set a order expiration of 100 days for yourself? why no one other can set it? |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
buttwards |
18:49 |
davout |
we do it backwards but it looks forward, think moonwalk |
18:49 |
dotcoin |
order expirations of 100 days are for merchants only, if you want list shares you can do and your orders will be run as long you want |
18:50 |
jurov |
"shares merchant"? |
18:50 |
dotcoin |
yes |
18:50 |
jurov |
that kind fits |
18:50 |
jurov |
:D |
18:50 |
dotcoin |
there are no bitcoin orders longer than 3 days |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
why not ? |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
what if im going on vacation ? what if i just met a highschooler with nice tits ? |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
either usually takes me > 3 days |
18:51 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: because he uses an evaluation copy mebbe |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
x.X |
18:51 |
dotcoin |
i guess it makes no sense, when bitcoin price jumps up and down |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
why not 2 days then. |
18:51 |
dotcoin |
you sell bitcoins and go vacation? |
18:52 |
kakobrekla |
i think 10 min is more appropriate. |
18:52 |
dotcoin |
you can cancel your order when you need |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
am i fucking confused ? is this bourse thing a bitcoin exchange or a bitcoin stock exchange ? |
18:52 |
jurov |
no. it's bitcoin stock merchant |
18:52 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: stock exchange + P2P bitcoin exchange, amirite dotcoin? |
18:52 |
mircea_popescu |
so then wtf has the price of bitcoin to do with anything |
18:53 |
dotcoin |
it was started as bitcoin exchange, now we focus to going full to bitcoin stock exchange, as we not want competition with the big ones like bc |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
bc became big at some point ?! |
18:53 |
davout |
haha, i knew it was coming |
18:53 |
dotcoin |
in what point |
18:53 |
bounce |
relative, I'm sure |
18:53 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake seriously, you feel like articulating wtf you hate about altcoins quite so viscerally ? |
18:54 |
davout |
dotcoin: don't you also have a P2P exchange, sort of like localbitcoins? |
18:54 |
dotcoin |
maybe but this is not my problem i am not jealous of other people |
18:54 |
mircea_popescu |
im sure nobody'll be like, "o, we no like pankkake anymoar now", even if they think your idea is dumb |
18:54 |
jurov |
davout yes it's everything on bitcoinbourse, both btceur and stocks |
18:54 |
pankkake |
yes, I started a blog article. and it should start with "I don't hate altcoins, "hate" is a word used by faggots, I just think they are a fraud" |
18:55 |
davout |
pankkake: wai u hate faggots? |
18:55 |
dotcoin |
yes read @davout, told here we have p2p like localbitcoins but now we focus on stock exchange, so the french market is free for you enjoy we don't need that |
18:55 |
kakobrekla |
i think the just hates hate |
18:55 |
pankkake |
davout: yeah they make noises with their bikes |
18:55 |
jurov |
oh and bitcoincard is there too, never dared to try that |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake kay, i'll read it. ping here when done |
18:55 |
dotcoin |
bitcoincard yes |
18:55 |
dotcoin |
you can try |
18:56 |
pankkake |
there is actually a lot of things I want to write in, so it will take a while, but I want to write it instead of arguing endlessly / being MAD |
18:56 |
dotcoin |
you can order from anywhere in europe |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
smart choice. |
18:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.00644267 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {5} |
18:56 |
davout |
pankkake: arguing endlessly without getting mad is a skill in itself |
18:57 |
bounce |
well, not if you're mad starting out |
18:57 |
kakobrekla |
getting mad without an argument also. |
18:57 |
davout |
bounce: if you're already mad, arguing doesn't really sound like a good idea anyway |
18:58 |
davout |
kakobrekla: yo, just fuck shit up from time to time, randomly |
18:58 |
bounce |
tell it to the people in the madhouse |
18:59 |
pankkake |
davout: yes, I usually don't get mad when I don't respect my adversary |
18:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0059118 = 0.2956 BTC [-] {2} |
18:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46366666 = 1.391 BTC [-] {2} |
19:00 |
pankkake |
I mean don't have any respect for |
19:00 |
davout |
pankkake: wait, you're saying you're more inclined to become mad whenever you have respect for the person you argue with ? |
19:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-] |
19:01 |
davout |
i guess what you mean is that you take it more seriously then, amirite? |
19:01 |
pankkake |
yes |
19:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00591 = 0.2955 BTC [-] |
19:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07258809 = 1.4518 BTC [+] {4} |
19:02 |
pankkake |
well, I don't accept that people that are not dumb have dumb (i.e. not mine) opinions |
19:02 |
bounce |
you don't go for anything less but ideological world domination, do you? |
19:02 |
davout |
bounce: it just makes him mad to have a cognitive dissonnance |
19:03 |
jurov |
your opinions are never dumb? |
19:03 |
jurov |
pankkake ^ |
19:03 |
pankkake |
well, when I realize they're dumb I change them |
19:03 |
davout |
"i see this guy as smart, but i see his opinion as dumb, AAAARRGH dissonnance" |
19:03 |
davout |
pankkake: try with dotcoin :D |
19:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.00580523 = 0.1219 BTC [-] {4} |
19:04 |
bounce |
such gandhi |
19:04 |
pankkake |
I don't want to argue with him, I don't know what's his deal |
19:04 |
bounce |
so ask him *gdr* |
19:04 |
pankkake |
basically I just linked to what others said |
19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
<davout> pankkake: wait, you're saying you're more inclined to become mad whenever you have respect for the person you argue with ? << this is how it works yes |
19:05 |
davout |
which makes sense |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise you'd spend your time angry at the pet rocks |
19:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78460 @ 0.00087855 = 68.931 BTC [-] {6} |
19:06 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking about the alternative of not getting mad, in either case |
19:07 |
davout |
but i can perfectly understand that if you perceive the person you are arguing with as intelligent, it makes the arguing exercise different |
19:07 |
pankkake |
well. if you argue in public with someone dumb, your objective should be completely different |
19:08 |
pankkake |
you're not necessarily trying to convince him |
19:08 |
davout |
the sanest attitude in such a case is double: make other readers hear your point, have some fun |
19:08 |
pankkake |
yeah |
19:09 |
davout |
if some fucktards end up calling you a troll you can count it as a success |
19:09 |
davout |
to get back to the dotcoin case, it's slightly weird, because he doesn't display the usual bitcointalk scammer attributes |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i always cunt it as a success |
19:09 |
davout |
lel |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
davout maybe his mastery of the english language doesn't permit him to ? |
19:10 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: no i was thinking more about the fact that he's not anonymous |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
intentionally ? |
19:10 |
davout |
no, i sense no intention of hiding his identity |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/staff/weiler is he this guy ? |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
and for that matter, neither is dr foreskin anonymous |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
he's just well known to be a fucktard irl too, so what's he got to lose. |
19:11 |
davout |
yep, this guy |
19:11 |
dotcoin |
i not have need to hide anything |
19:11 |
davout |
https://bitcoinbourse.eu/about <<< has the real name on it |
19:11 |
ozbot |
BitcoinBourse.eu - decentralised market place to buy and sell Bitcoin person to person Welcome to th |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Director of the Chair |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
|
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Chair of Hydrology |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
Albert-Ludwigs-University of Freiburg |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
dude no fucking way somebody that looks too young to have a phd even can be what i assume is a head of a department |
19:11 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: otoh, hydrology... |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone emailed that address ? |
19:12 |
davout |
"yep, i have correctly identified this glass as containing water" |
19:12 |
davout |
what address ? |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/mitarbeiter/picmail/weiler.gif |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
because otherwise freiburg uni is like 600 years old. |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
not exactly a random diploma mill |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
moar like germany's nobel prize mill |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
(heidegger's uni) |
19:13 |
dotcoin |
you want email me? contact@bitcoinbourse.eu |
19:14 |
davout |
midnightmagic: aaah, i thought you were still on dr foreskin |
19:14 |
kakobrekla |
could be name collision |
19:14 |
mircea_popescu |
plus hayek, husserl if memory serves etc |
19:14 |
davout |
dotcoin: "you want email me? contact@bitcoinbourse.eu" <<< that's the wrongest answer you could've come up with |
19:14 |
dotcoin |
tell me why |
19:15 |
kakobrekla |
davout well, he could give out an @yahoo one. |
19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
dotcoin we're not interested in emailing you as the bitcoin bourse fuckwit. we're interested in emailing you as markus whatever, to verify davout's theory that you're not behaving like the average forum scammer. |
19:15 |
bounce |
we tell lies/ sweet little lies/ |
19:15 |
davout |
dotcoin: because you are being asked if you are in fact head of hydrology at the freiburg university |
19:15 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: where did you find this address anyway? the name sounds like a common german one |
19:15 |
davout |
probably a homonym |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
davout intel popped it for me. https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/staff/weiler |
19:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4848579 BTC [+] |
19:16 |
davout |
anyway, my point was that he has actual corporate details on his bourse about page |
19:16 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: no, that's not him |
19:16 |
davout |
not the same weiler |
19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
davout so then for all you know this is NOT an actual name. |
19:17 |
dotcoin |
there exist many weiler same as many Francois i guess |
19:17 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact that the name is real |
19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
davout a you do ? how ? |
19:17 |
davout |
and that it matches the details posted |
19:17 |
pankkake |
the company is registered |
19:17 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: intel |
19:17 |
mircea_popescu |
a ok then. |
19:17 |
davout |
pankkake: better intel |
19:18 |
pankkake |
amd? |
19:18 |
davout |
badum_tss.wav |
19:18 |
davout |
!up dotcoin |
19:18 |
assbot |
Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes. |
19:18 |
kakobrekla |
round #3 |
19:18 |
kakobrekla |
*ding*ding* |
19:18 |
davout |
LOL |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
ima go explore a vagina. don't make a mess of popcorn around here meanwhile! |
19:19 |
Apocalyptic |
<mircea_popescu> because otherwise freiburg uni is like 600 years old. // you're sure about this ? |
19:19 |
davout |
mircea_popescu: you make it sound like it's a large one XD |
19:20 |
jurov |
so dotcoin, you insist the orderbook is completely fine despite everyone else saying it is not? |
19:20 |
pankkake |
must be your mom's then |
19:21 |
jurov |
okay. so why you can't publish trades? that's completely normal thing all exchanges do |
19:21 |
bounce |
established 1457, so 557 years |
19:21 |
davout |
pankkake: leave my mom's orderbook alone |
19:21 |
dotcoin |
not saying that, but is momently status of order book |
19:21 |
davout |
dotcoin: well then, say "thank you for pointing that out, i'll be working on it" |
19:22 |
dotcoin |
you are shareholder jurov you have right to send us your feedback |
19:23 |
jurov |
dotcoin, in fact i don't want to be anymore. but have no other option |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic ya |
19:23 |
mircea_popescu |
omg ppls stop dinging me i think it's important ;/ |
19:23 |
jurov |
hm, prolly i'll move all shares to pankkake and watch whatever ensues |
19:24 |
pankkake |
please no |
19:24 |
jurov |
pankkake: what's your bbs account? |
19:24 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/3DJWE0P.txt) |
19:24 |
davout |
!b 3 |
19:25 |
jurov |
so dotcoin, when approximately can we expect public trades feed? |
19:25 |
pankkake |
I've been quite happy to sell off all my havecocks at a loss |
19:25 |
pankkake |
no need for more things |
19:26 |
dotcoin |
@jurov we will see how we do |
19:27 |
jurov |
you pull the code off crystal ball or what? |
19:28 |
pankkake |
perhaps you should write a bourse broker (sounds painful, I wouldn't want my bourses broken) |
19:28 |
dotcoin |
but what exactly you want see, you see already how many shares from company xyz was listed and how much was left on sale! |
19:29 |
jurov |
dotcoin you ever use any stock exchange? every one of them publishes what trades were done |
19:29 |
BigBitz |
DEMTRADES. |
19:30 |
dotcoin |
there is all there, if 10k shares was on listing and tomorrow are only 5000 means that 500 are sold, there is no order book need |
19:30 |
davout |
dotcoin: making the information public is also not optional |
19:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00087799 = 20.7645 BTC [-] |
19:30 |
dotcoin |
yes i use and i know but i not must copy them as system works like this |
19:30 |
BigBitz |
publically listed companies with no publically listed ledgers for buys/sells? :o |
19:31 |
davout |
dotcoin: how would you know there were 10k shares yesterday without an order book ? |
19:31 |
dotcoin |
but guys you talking about things like cryptostocks do |
19:31 |
dotcoin |
the merchant have to know where the shares are gone |
19:31 |
dotcoin |
not the public |
19:31 |
jurov |
like NYSE. NASDAQ and everyone else! |
19:32 |
dotcoin |
you want see where are the shareholders? do you see on your bank the shareholder names of a company? |
19:32 |
BigBitz |
Yeah if NASDAQ can run their engine for longer than 2mins :P |
19:32 |
jurov |
dotcoin "public has no right to any information" is a scammer attitude |
19:32 |
davout |
dotcoin: how can the public have an idea of what the state of the market is without an order book ? |
19:32 |
dotcoin |
do you see on Nyse or nasdaq the name of the shareholder? |
19:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30867 @ 0.00087727 = 27.0787 BTC [-] {2} |
19:32 |
BigBitz |
dotcoin: Yes. |
19:32 |
BigBitz |
OF course. |
19:32 |
dotcoin |
public have right of course |
19:32 |
Apocalyptic |
<dotcoin> do you see on Nyse or nasdaq the name of the shareholder? // no |
19:32 |
dotcoin |
but privacy exists also |
19:32 |
Apocalyptic |
but you see the trades for every single trading day |
19:32 |
davout |
dotcoin: you seem to be confused about what an order book is |
19:32 |
dotcoin |
we can't show shareholders |
19:33 |
BigBitz |
You don't need to show people... |
19:33 |
dotcoin |
we can show how many shares are sold yes |
19:33 |
BigBitz |
You need to show trades :) |
19:33 |
dotcoin |
but this is already there |
19:33 |
Apocalyptic |
how many / when / at what price |
19:33 |
davout |
dotcoin: you need to show offers to buy and sell, publicly, not who is posting these orders |
19:33 |
Apocalyptic |
in a nice table |
19:33 |
davout |
dotcoin: https://bitcoin-central.net/page/stats/orders <<< this is an order book |
19:34 |
dotcoin |
there are offers to buy and sell, of course, the only one not is there are not showing sold shares thats correct |
19:34 |
davout |
dotcoin: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE <<< on the rigth side of this page is also an order book |
19:35 |
dotcoin |
yes guys think like taht is under development |
19:35 |
BigBitz |
"under development" |
19:35 |
BigBitz |
how do you close books/trades/orders if you don't know who buys/sells what? |
19:35 |
BigBitz |
You surely have the data at hand. |
19:35 |
BigBitz |
You're just not presenting it. |
19:35 |
BigBitz |
That shouldn't take a mammoth development task. |
19:36 |
bounce |
"Bitcoin Central is loading..." |
19:36 |
dotcoin |
many other things in todo list, so i not give them so much priority yet as i don't know this classifieds me as scammer |
19:36 |
davout |
bounce: javascript? |
19:36 |
dotcoin |
this not needs a month |
19:36 |
BigBitz |
You don't think not publishing trade information on a trading platform is a positive? |
19:36 |
davout |
dotcoin: this does classifies you as completely unqualified to run a stock exchange, that's all |
19:37 |
dotcoin |
thats not correct as i tell you already there is all to see |
19:37 |
bounce |
it's on. likely some js lib ruthlessly breaking backward compatability. |
19:37 |
pankkake |
bitcoin-central.net actually requires requests to google to work |
19:38 |
pankkake |
so much for not using cloudflare! |
19:38 |
Apocalyptic |
that's bothersome |
19:38 |
dotcoin |
@davout and you are qualified to run a bitcoin exchange? |
19:38 |
bounce |
just so you know, this is not twittar. |
19:38 |
davout |
pankkake: you serious about the google thing? shame on me |
19:38 |
dotcoin |
hosting on 1&1 |
19:38 |
pankkake |
I think so, unless it's only for the font |
19:38 |
dotcoin |
using cloudfare |
19:38 |
dotcoin |
bravo |
19:39 |
pankkake |
I have a RequestPolicy authorization at least |
19:39 |
BigBitz |
What do you want him to do? use SFTI? :) |
19:39 |
Apocalyptic |
<dotcoin> hosting on 1&1 // they are on online afaik |
19:39 |
Apocalyptic |
and no cloudfare |
19:39 |
davout |
pankkake: it's only for the font, nothing remotely comparable to cloudflare |
19:39 |
Duffer1 |
!up twizt_ |
19:39 |
assbot |
Voicing twizt_ for 30 minutes. |
19:39 |
twizt_ |
dotcoin: you dont have to reveal customer information |
19:39 |
twizt_ |
you can just show the last market trade, by symbol, price quantity |
19:40 |
davout |
dotcoin: as a matter of fact i am, i am also certainly not using cloudflare or hosting with 1&1 |
19:40 |
dotcoin |
@twizt yes and we don't do |
19:40 |
pankkake |
I see a request to recaptcha too, weird |
19:40 |
dotcoin |
@davout or ovh |
19:40 |
twizt_ |
y not |
19:40 |
twizt_ |
cuz for all anyone knows ur hiding true volume |
19:40 |
twizt_ |
which is hella illegal |
19:40 |
davout |
dotcoin: get a clue before spouting nonsense |
19:41 |
twizt_ |
if you are a 'public venue' |
19:41 |
davout |
dotcoin: also get an order book |
19:41 |
twizt_ |
how are u p2p decentralized with all 'customer doesnt need to know' attitude |
19:41 |
twizt_ |
dafuq |
19:41 |
davout |
pankkake: because pre-load |
19:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54780 @ 0.00087656 = 48.018 BTC [-] {2} |
19:41 |
dotcoin |
we hidde nothing thats is do anyone from you go inside the bourse and take a view and read all? than you see there is nothing hidden there is all transparent |
19:41 |
BigBitz |
dotcoin what is your reason for not providing volume information/trade information? |
19:41 |
twizt_ |
to hide volume lol |
19:41 |
BigBitz |
( other than the obvious ) |
19:42 |
davout |
pankkake: if you want to not make the requests you can use teh API :D |
19:42 |
davout |
-> https://github.com/Paymium/api-documentation |
19:42 |
dotcoin |
we provide them so why you talking that when it's not true |
19:42 |
davout |
dotcoin: URLs? |
19:42 |
dotcoin |
example company 1 list 100k shares |
19:43 |
dotcoin |
than you see how much shares are on sold left |
19:43 |
twizt_ |
what about after |
19:43 |
twizt_ |
what about secondary trading information |
19:43 |
twizt_ |
after primary quantities are sold off |
19:43 |
dotcoin |
if you see only 80k tomorrow on sale means 20k are sold you need a calculator for that |
19:43 |
BigBitz |
Christ... |
19:43 |
davout |
dotcoin: seriously, shut up and get cracking |
19:44 |
BigBitz |
!down dotcoin |
19:44 |
davout |
!down dotcoin |
19:44 |
twizt_ |
so after all ipo shares sold, the secondary trading goes dark? lol |
19:44 |
davout |
LOL |
19:44 |
BigBitz |
:) |
19:44 |
BigBitz |
;;gpg info dotcoin |
19:44 |
gribble |
No such user registered. |
19:45 |
twizt_ |
poorly designed exchange |
19:45 |
BigBitz |
and people wonder why Bitcoin gets a bad name. |
19:45 |
davout |
poor guy is probably still talking in the chan |
19:45 |
BigBitz |
Probably... |
19:45 |
Duffer1 |
lmao |
19:46 |
BigBitz |
U GUYS DONT NO NETHING |
19:46 |
BigBitz |
this is best way 2 run things |
19:46 |
BigBitz |
buy 100k sell 80k means 20k left |
19:46 |
BigBitz |
dumb dumbs |
19:46 |
BigBitz |
ETC. |
19:46 |
davout |
dotcoin: we can not see what you type, go do your homework and come back when it's ready, if ever |
19:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3341 @ 0.00087636 = 2.9279 BTC [-] |
19:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03120572 = 0.156 BTC [-] {3} |
19:47 |
BigBitz |
davout perhaps he is making iceberg/dark pools his important developmental opportunity. |
19:47 |
BigBitz |
trading volume isn't important, right? |
19:47 |
davout |
i'd be very interested in an explanation about why it is that bitcoin attracts two radically opposite demographics |
19:48 |
davout |
smart people |
19:48 |
davout |
and the terminally retarded |
19:48 |
BigBitz |
Sadly I don't think I am either of those. |
19:48 |
davout |
there doesn't seem to be a lot of the average |
19:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03115904 = 0.1558 BTC [-] |
19:49 |
BigBitz |
wooooo! |
19:49 |
pankkake |
bitcoin has this image of free money |
19:49 |
pankkake |
you can make them with your computar |
19:49 |
davout |
which it is |
19:50 |
davout |
but somehow i feel like a lot of people come to it with the wrong idea o "fair money" |
19:50 |
davout |
"fair" in the sense of "democratic" or "equal" |
19:50 |
pankkake |
well, they realize it doesn't grow on trees and are upset |
19:51 |
davout |
there's this too |
19:51 |
jurov |
actually many smart people are repelled first.. especially these that expect thing working properly according to rules |
19:51 |
jurov |
*things |
19:52 |
davout |
i think that's more the retarded that act as a repellent to the smart |
19:52 |
pankkake |
yeah, I stayed away from bitcoin because it seemed full of teenagers |
19:53 |
pankkake |
that had no idea what they were doing |
19:53 |
pankkake |
I guess I shouldn't have |
19:53 |
davout |
radium, discovered by highschoolers indeed |
19:54 |
bounce |
http://pastebin.ca/2738708 |
19:54 |
benkay |
;;ticker |
19:54 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.17, Best ask: 457.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.73000, Last trade: 457.0, 24 hour volume: 4100.46574537, 24 hour low: 449.79, 24 hour high: 459.24, 24 hour vwap: 453.886482405 |
19:54 |
pankkake |
the success stories, i.e. bitcoin prices, or asicminer in the past, made people want to throw money at it |
19:54 |
benkay |
;;calc 0.004 * 456 |
19:54 |
gribble |
1.824 |
19:55 |
davout |
bounce: the info in there is accurate |
19:55 |
bounce |
says you, why? |
19:55 |
benkay |
http://www.bitronictech.net/bitcoin-vps.php |
19:56 |
benkay |
not bad pricing on these |
19:56 |
davout |
bounce: because i know |
19:56 |
davout |
benkay: going there tomorrow, you jelly? -> http://www.theatrechampselysees.fr/recital-et-musique-de-chambre/concerts-du-dimanche-matin/sol-gabetta-bertrand-chamayou |
19:56 |
bounce |
you suck at the coughing man in a raincoat act |
19:56 |
BigBitz |
BitVPS best VPS, benkay! |
19:57 |
davout |
bounce: that's because i'm more like the cop that's looking up his cop DB |
19:57 |
jurov |
BigBitz: they pay you for it? |
19:57 |
pankkake |
benkay: so who are they? many *fiat* vps do not live for long. I've experienced one disappearing for example |
19:57 |
bounce |
so you did whois and got the same info |
19:57 |
BigBitz |
jurov nobody pays me anything. |
19:57 |
pankkake |
it was real cheap, though :D |
19:58 |
benkay |
BigBitz: rly? |
19:58 |
davout |
bounce: look, if I did that i would say "i did a whois", it just so happens that i have more information, and of much better quality than you do, what's so complicated about that ? |
19:58 |
pankkake |
http://lowendbox.com/ is a pretty good source of info on vps hosts |
19:59 |
jurov |
BigBitz: did bitvps regain any referral? i don't see any |
19:59 |
benkay |
pankkake: some nobody http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bryan-apperson/65/1bb/147 |
19:59 |
BigBitz |
davout you're a cop? :o |
19:59 |
bounce |
says you. to me that's all claims and refusals to back'em up |
19:59 |
davout |
BigBitz: hehe in some ways i'd say |
19:59 |
pankkake |
well, usually you just check they have been in business for a while and not high schoolers |
20:00 |
davout |
bounce: i seriously don't give the slightest shit about you believing me or not |
20:00 |
BigBitz |
That escalated quickly. |
20:01 |
pankkake |
I see they were active in 2012 at least |
20:01 |
jurov |
pankkake: talking about bitvps? |
20:01 |
pankkake |
no, bitronic |
20:02 |
benkay |
davout: wish i were there |
20:02 |
davout |
benkay: i'll send you the CD :D |
20:02 |
benkay |
such a gentleman |
20:02 |
jurov |
I worked with ordering materials and grading terrain for masonry/construction. |
20:03 |
jurov |
:) |
20:03 |
BigBitz |
Ah. |
20:03 |
BigBitz |
You're not a cop. |
20:03 |
BigBitz |
You're the bitcoin-central guy. |
20:03 |
BigBitz |
:) |
20:03 |
jurov |
he can still be undercover |
20:04 |
BigBitz |
I would be surprised. |
20:04 |
BigBitz |
You know how the French are. |
20:04 |
jurov |
hmm..i do not? |
20:04 |
BigBitz |
nor do I but it seemed like something to say :/ |
20:04 |
BigBitz |
work shy, etc. |
20:04 |
bounce |
who's french now? |
20:04 |
davout |
BigBitz: yes, that would be me :) |
20:04 |
BigBitz |
davout, I guess. |
20:04 |
BigBitz |
:) |
20:05 |
bounce |
<insert obligatory joke here> |
20:05 |
jurov |
<insert raunchy clarification> |
20:06 |
BigBitz |
<escalate with intent> |
20:06 |
BigBitz |
<witty retort> |
20:06 |
davout |
<express scorn for other non-french people> |
20:06 |
|
mircea_popescu, I'm a scammer? |
20:07 |
BigBitz |
I doubt that. |
20:07 |
jurov |
don't zing him, he's fucking |
20:07 |
davout |
kakobrekla: [\\\] is fucking with the log :D |
20:07 |
kakobrekla |
not this time! |
20:07 |
davout |
"[\]: mircea_popescu, I'm a scammer?" |
20:08 |
davout |
kakobrekla: the backslashes, what have you done |
20:08 |
jurov |
orly? \r \n \t |
20:08 |
BigBitz |
\\\\\\\\\ |
20:08 |
davout |
brb, XSS'ing teh log |
20:08 |
jurov |
orly? \\r \\\\n \t |
20:08 |
kakobrekla |
doo et! |
20:08 |
pankkake |
</html> |
20:08 |
\\\\\\ |
yo |
20:09 |
bounce |
add moar \\u2603 |
20:09 |
|
I got you |
20:09 |
BigBitz |
Nooooooo. |
20:09 |
BigBitz |
too many slashes. |
20:09 |
|
you're right |
20:09 |
BigBitz |
uhohs. |