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00:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00095741 = 6.7019 BTC [+] {2}
00:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00095382 = 15.5473 BTC [-] {2}
00:45 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/04/speed-reading-apps-may-kill-comprehension/
00:45 ozbot Speed reading apps may kill comprehension | Ars Technica
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01:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00444 = 0.1066 BTC [-]
01:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00451316 = 0.185 BTC [+]
01:11 BingoBoingo http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/04/holy-shit-im-rich.html
01:11 ozbot Doctor Grumpy in the House: Holy shit I'm rich!
01:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00095301 = 16.1059 BTC [-] {3}
01:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00095632 = 33.6625 BTC [+] {3}
01:35 bitcoinpete http://www.cbsnews.com/news/whos-minding-the-nuclear-weapons/
01:35 ozbot Who's minding the nukes? - CBS News
01:35 bitcoinpete floppy disks ftw!
01:36 bitcoinpete "the equipment is ancient. This, for example, is one of the computers that would receive a launch order from the president. It uses floppy disks! The really old, big ones."
01:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0009576 = 13.3585 BTC [+] {2}
01:37 BingoBoingo Well... Why not floppy disks
01:38 bitcoinpete "And they're using really, really, really old computers. I saw a floppy disc and not a floppy disc that size. It was gigantic."
01:38 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: zero reason not to
01:38 bitcoinpete other than neomania
01:38 bitcoinpete "I'll tell you, those older systems provide us some -- I will say huge safety when it comes to some cyber issues that we currently have in the world."
01:39 bitcoinpete "A few years ago we did a complete analysis of our entire network. Cyber engineers found out that the system is extremely safe and extremely secure on the way it's developed."
01:39 BingoBoingo I mean what other computers would be running launch systems? Some 28nm ARM thing that runs Java?
01:39 bitcoinpete "We're not up on the Internet." <<def helps
01:40 bitcoinpete BingoBoingo: or a used ps3
01:40 bitcoinpete "The land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, the ICBMs, that we saw are just one part of the nuclear triad that includes missiles on submarines and bombers. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that operating and upgrading all three legs of the triad is going to cost at least $355 billion over the next 10 years."
01:42 BingoBoingo Still less expensive than the F-35 that doesn't work
01:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00095189 = 20.656 BTC [-]
01:53 bitcoinpete So this random dude e-mails me recently, offering to set me up with ltb's adam levine for an interview about maidsafe
01:53 bitcoinpete cuz i'm an expert on them or something
01:53 bitcoinpete and i don't know levine already
01:54 bitcoinpete so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev"
01:55 cazalla BingoBoingo: Australia is buying 58 of those F-35's :\
01:55 bitcoinpete naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems"
01:55 BingoBoingo cazalla: Seem like a lot of countries are
01:56 bitcoinpete does the guy of pgp/gpg? nope, "The PGP/GPG stuff has been on my list to figure out for a few months, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I've only recently started caring (somewhat) about security since getting into Bitcoin."
01:56 BingoBoingo Damn
01:57 bitcoinpete sounds like a perfect power ranger candidate. i hope he's cool being blue
01:57 BingoBoingo !up Dimsler
01:57 assbot Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
01:57 bitcoinpete cazalla: canada is too
01:58 bitcoinpete we were talking about 65 of them to the tune of $25M or so
02:03 bitcoinpete $25B*
02:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.068996 = 0.138 BTC [+]
02:12 cazalla still, i'd rather the au gov spend the money on planes than more and more welfare
02:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07010101 = 0.2103 BTC [-]
02:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]
02:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00095805 = 47.6151 BTC [+] {2}
02:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06899838 = 1.173 BTC [+] {5}
02:23 bitcoinpete cazalla: if those are the choices, then sure
02:23 bitcoinpete defense > decay
02:24 cazalla i don't vote so i guess i don't have a choice not that i would even if i did
02:33 Naphex morning
02:33 Naphex http://www.ziardecluj.ro/sfantul-efrem-ocrotitorul-clujului-repara-calculatoare-si-tamaduieste-constipatia
02:33 ozbot Sfantul Efrem, ocrotitorul Clujului, repara calculatoare si tamaduieste constipatia | Ziar de Cluj
02:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00095913 = 24.6496 BTC [+] {2}
02:51 bitcoinpete http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GSe078iCTP0/U115yU-dK4I/AAAAAAAAauo/IfmgIKDrvPI/s1600/north+korea+customs+declaration.jpg
02:51 bitcoinpete north korea keeps it simple stupid
03:03 BingoBoingo Best Korea for a reason
03:12 bitcoinpete "There’s a very simple way to distinguish actual people from non-people. It’s not whether their grandmother was Jewish or their hair is curly, it’s not whether their skin tone is this or that shade of purple, it’s not even if they do well in school, suck cock rapturously, work hard, obey the laws, go to church, respect their elders, floss, whatever the hell else. None of that matters."
03:12 bitcoinpete "Actual people are always on the lookout for games to put skin in. Everybody else just knows better, from the waysides."
03:13 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu on the money
03:13 bitcoinpete http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/
03:13 ozbot Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
03:14 bitcoinpete and that's a wrap!
03:16 HeySteve http://awesomenator.com/content/2011/10/north-korea-pokemon.jpg
03:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0689998 = 2.001 BTC [+]
03:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
03:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6308 @ 0.00095568 = 6.0284 BTC [-]
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03:44 mircea_popescu %t
03:44 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1770k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 186
03:44 mircea_popescu %b
03:45 mircea_popescu %book
03:45 atcbot 10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 | 10k@155 10k@151 100k@150
03:45 mircea_popescu mod6 splendid :D
03:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00095857 = 22.7181 BTC [+] {3}
03:46 Apocalyptic 24h-Vol: 1770k // that's like the monthly volume last month
03:47 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic lol growth eh ?
03:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
03:47 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1770000*186
03:47 gribble 329220000
03:47 mircea_popescu 3.x btc ? getting to be pretty respectable for a scamcoin.
03:49 mircea_popescu Naphex http://trilema.com/2012/im-sick/#comment-99383 :p
03:51 fluffypony mircea_popescu: mornings
03:52 mircea_popescu hey.
03:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095934 = 5.8999 BTC [+] {2}
03:53 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I've been flipping through the MPOE account statements for a blog post on running a profitable BTC business, is there a cumulative count of dividends paid per share that you've published at any point?
03:53 mircea_popescu yes, but it's old. lemme see ehre.
03:53 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/
03:53 ozbot MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
03:54 mircea_popescu if you'd find it within your heart to publish the 2nd year of dividends, same format, that'd actually be helpful.
03:54 fluffypony ok cool
03:55 mircea_popescu maybe mike_c does one too, then we can see if your numbers match.
03:56 fluffypony I haven't had enough coffee - can you explain the relative dividend yield? surely the dividends are absolute?
03:57 mircea_popescu yes but each month the stock has an average price
03:57 fluffypony ah ok
03:57 HeySteve details on that payment splitting service: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/provably-fair-bitcoin-split-payments-have-arrived/2014/04/27
04:00 mircea_popescu https://hashcat.net/oclhashcat/
04:00 ozbot oclHashcat - advanced password recovery
04:02 mircea_popescu whoa iron dropped ? coal dropped ?! this is a new one.
04:03 mircea_popescu ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com bitevery
04:03 gribble NEXT: 07-05-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 12-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2013&bots=true>
04:04 mircea_popescu google you fucking suck wtf, it's in neither.
04:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.06279784 = 23.8632 BTC [-] {46}
04:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06889296 = 0.3445 BTC [+] {2}
04:13 Naphex :D
04:14 Naphex good day today
04:14 mircea_popescu http://www.wired.com/2014/04/quantum-theory-flow-time/
04:14 ozbot New Quantum Theory Could Explain the Flow of Time | Science | WIRED
04:14 Naphex mircea_popescu: http://www.doxologia.ro/viata-bisericii/marturii/sfantul-efrem-cel-nou-deblocat-programe-informatice-reparat-fisiere-corupte and soon with bitcoin recovery :))
04:14 mircea_popescu hopefully he gets extradited.
04:14 Naphex if you haven't seen it
04:14 Naphex :)
04:14 mircea_popescu Naphex lmao wut.
04:15 Naphex “Asadar, s-a rugat Sfantului Efrem cel Nou si a facut de trei ori Semnul Sfintei Cruci peste computer. Spre marea sa uimire, nu numai ca a reusit sa deschida fisierul, ci a putut sa stearga integral sectiunea corupta”
04:15 Naphex so... :D
04:15 mircea_popescu Naphex is that this guy http://trilema.com/2009/predosloviie/ ?
04:16 mircea_popescu (ie... sf leufteriu of the L.o.L. ?)
04:16 Naphex :))
04:19 mircea_popescu lmao no fucking way, that's the actual site of the moldavian bishopric
04:19 mircea_popescu ahahahaah
04:22 mircea_popescu moiety https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmR_oNJIcAAfFVX.jpg
04:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06763971 = 0.1353 BTC [-]
04:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 50 @ 0.14 = 7 BTC
04:28 fluffypony mircea_popescu: btw just noticed on http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/ - "unspeficied"
04:28 mircea_popescu hahah
04:28 mircea_popescu that's too cute to fix
04:29 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ?
04:29 ozbot BitBet - F.MPIF to last the year
04:29 moiety awww! i think the sombrero wins the hat contest!
04:30 mircea_popescu Instead, this week we found out the Most Transparent Administration in American History™ has implemented a new anti-press policy that would make Richard Nixon blush. National intelligence director James Clapper, the man caught lying to Congress from an "unauthorized" leak by Snowden, issued a directive to the employees of all 17 intelligence agencies barring all employees from any "unauthorized" contact with the pres
04:30 mircea_popescu s.
04:30 mircea_popescu teh soviets are coming hurray hurray
04:30 mircea_popescu this is so 1978
04:32 Apocalyptic <mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ? // isn't that a badbet ?
04:33 mircea_popescu well to the degree betting on any fiat stock being delisted is, i guess.
04:33 mircea_popescu or what did you have in mind ?
04:33 Apocalyptic as it's in solely your authority to decide the outcome
04:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-]
04:34 mircea_popescu schizopathically & antisocially i seem to count myself as an institution.
04:36 mircea_popescu pankkake:
04:36 mircea_popescu mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. << hows that work ?
04:37 mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation you left out the best part : "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact."
04:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:39 mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation o no oyu didn't. nm :p
04:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:42 mircea_popescu ;;seen scrat
04:42 gribble scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Scrat> im a fat cock
04:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2}
04:43 mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/imposture/ << ok, this rules.
04:43 ozbot Imposture
04:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 250 @ 0.00085 = 0.2125 BTC [+] {2}
04:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00095804 = 16.3825 BTC [-] {2}
04:52 fluffypony fuck that confused me
04:52 fluffypony http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/
04:52 ozbot MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
04:52 fluffypony BBET is listed as paying from Jan
04:53 fluffypony when first dividend payout was Feb
04:53 mircea_popescu well yes but it was for the month of jan
04:54 fluffypony yes but if you take the dividends table on the listing page for MPOE it correlates to "month in which it was paid" pretty much
04:55 fluffypony for eg. the first dividend was paid on 26-05-12 and is listed as the May 2012 dividend
04:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095896 = 12.0829 BTC [+] {2}
04:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2}
04:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07092901 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2}
04:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29988 @ 0.00095992 = 28.7861 BTC [+] {2}
05:00 mircea_popescu right.
05:00 mircea_popescu and had it been paid 3-06-2012 it'd still have been the may dividend
05:01 mircea_popescu this because for most of its life mpoe reported on a "last week of month" period, and reports came in within hours of exercise closure, so it almost always was within the month.
05:01 HeySteve <+mircea_popescu> "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact." <- there should be a science of resilient hierarchical structures which resist corruption and decay. it should draw from historical fact, military tactics and decentralised methods. it should inform a technocratic leadership.
05:01 mircea_popescu whereas everyone else reported by the 5th of next calendar month, so it always was later
05:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0674425 = 0.2698 BTC [-]
05:01 mircea_popescu HeySteve yes, there is such a science. what do you think we're doing here.
05:03 HeySteve do you mean this channel or Bitcoin?
05:04 mircea_popescu i mean this channel, mpex, etc.
05:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
05:06 fluffypony mircea_popescu: plz check - http://markable.in/file/534b17d2-ceb4-11e3-9cd6-984be164924a/
05:06 HeySteve Bitcoin should be a sovereign
05:06 mircea_popescu just pastebin it, i aint js.
05:06 mircea_popescu HeySteve it... is. it has been, for a while. hence the serenissima.
05:07 HeySteve this is not widely recognised, mircea_popescu
05:07 mircea_popescu that matters :))
05:07 mircea_popescu like you know, there's this lion in an african village, and the local peasants are... not recognizing it.
05:08 mircea_popescu im sure the lion's all hurt and emo over it.
05:08 fluffypony mircea_popescu: no js on the page
05:08 HeySteve that sounds dangerous for the villagers
05:08 fluffypony or none that needs to execute to see the table
05:08 mircea_popescu HeySteve exactly. letting people know about how their lives depend on bitcoin-ability is a charitable deed.
05:09 mircea_popescu btw, you ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ ?
05:09 mircea_popescu fluffypony wouldja just pastebin the thing ?
05:09 fluffypony I'll pastebin the markdown source
05:09 fluffypony http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4kE1TrR7
05:10 mircea_popescu wrong years lol
05:10 fluffypony whoops
05:10 mircea_popescu Mar 2013 | 17 | 122
05:11 fluffypony fixed those last 3
05:11 fluffypony apparently I'm stuck in 2013 :-P
05:11 mircea_popescu lol
05:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00096052 = 25.6459 BTC [+] {2}
05:11 mircea_popescu anyway, best make it a full year, so wait a few days to include apr too
05:11 fluffypony can do
05:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00096116 = 0.1182 BTC [+]
05:14 fluffypony ;;later tell duffer1 well when you can't decide whether your name is "Timothy" or "Jimmy" it's unsurprising that you'd self-identify as an "investor" despite never really invested in anything:-P
05:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
05:15 mircea_popescu "this guy is giving me the timmy-jimmies", voted most likely to succeed coinage of 2014.
05:15 fluffypony lol
05:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16410 @ 0.00095947 = 15.7449 BTC [-]
05:15 mircea_popescu "Office space alone can eat you alive. Between Pissy and I we have 2100 square feet. And we're paying $5100 a month for that. "
05:15 mircea_popescu someone's in business with a partner known as... pissy ?!
05:16 fluffypony could be worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_(energy_drink)
05:17 mircea_popescu now that is true. pussy is an energy drink.
05:18 mircea_popescu "3. CEO at my hospital laid off 10% of the nurses last year and got a $7M bonus."
05:18 HeySteve there are worse options https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309547.0
05:19 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's what he refers to his urologist office mate as
05:19 fluffypony law
05:19 fluffypony lawl
05:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo old cranky doctors are some of my favourite party people.
05:19 mircea_popescu they have this well patined sense of humor.
05:19 BingoBoingo Yeah
05:21 mircea_popescu Price. $3.00 for drink plus shipping. Shipping International: 1-2 = $23.95 - Small Flat Rate 4-8 = $77.95 - Large Flat Rate
05:21 mircea_popescu dude srsly ? 15 bux for a bottle of carbonated pisswater ?
05:23 mircea_popescu anyway, they do the office practice here too. most romanians are insured by virtue of going to work, the cost is about $100 per month. most rich romanians don't bother with the state insurance and just pay out of pocket.
05:24 mircea_popescu typical office overhead for a doctor's office is in the 10 to 15k a year, all inclusive, typical doctor visit is $100 or less (depending, GP is like $10)
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05:24 mircea_popescu average doctor makes 20x minimum wage, 3x average wage.
05:25 mircea_popescu somehow a country larger than the entire fucking cascadia can function on 1/10 to 1/100 of the us costs.
05:25 mircea_popescu and i would argue healthcare, tho not stellar, is better here than there.
05:27 BingoBoingo It's amazing how these things work out
05:27 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
05:28 fluffypony bitcoinpete:naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems" <- with that attitude he's well on his way to being part of the Bitcoin Foundation, maybe he should just apply for a seat?
05:28 cazalla difficult to find a good GP in Australia, the older doctors are few and far between but will allow you adequate time, the younger GP's are usually found in medical centres where the aim is to get you in and out ASAP to bulk bill medicare as much as possible
05:28 HeySteve Peter Todd had a strong point against sidechains
05:29 HeySteve https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e104-tree-chains-with <- worth a listen
05:29 BingoBoingo http://bitbet.us/bet/600/tradefortress-arrested/#c2135
05:29 ozbot BitBet - TradeFortress arrested
05:29 fluffypony comment spamz
05:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]
05:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
05:29 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete:
05:29 mircea_popescu so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev" << so send him here.
05:29 mircea_popescu lol
05:30 mircea_popescu and to think that he could have a banner for .1 btc
05:30 cazalla i went to a walk in medical centre with issues about my neck as I couldn't get an appointment at my usual GP, the GP at the walk in just assumed I was after pain meds and wrote a script for endone (oxycodone) without any hesitation to get me the fuck out of there
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05:30 fluffypony mircea_popescu: that's what I was commenting on above, he sounds like an ideal Bitcoin Foundation candidate
05:32 moiety BingoBoingo: seriously?!
05:33 BingoBoingo moiety: About what?
05:33 moiety bitbet
05:33 mircea_popescu cazalla nutty.
05:34 fluffypony cazalla: so you took the script and sold it on SR?
05:34 fluffypony :-P
05:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0674425 = 0.1349 BTC [-]
05:35 mircea_popescu HeySteve lol that korea customs form rules. "please say if you have any magicks kthx"
05:35 moiety cazalla: that's ridiculous, folk like that shouldn't be doctors
05:36 mircea_popescu ^
05:37 cazalla moiety: he was actually struck off this year for getting personal with a patient heh - http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2167211/court-hears-dapto-doctor-defend-examination/
05:38 cazalla there's actually been 3 or 4 doctors struck off for similar things at that place, not that i knew at the time, it was the only place open late
05:39 mircea_popescu "A doctor charged with sexually assaulting a patient at Dapto Medical Centre has told a court he took the unusual step of stimulating the woman on his clinic couch after she clamped down on his finger with her private parts, aggravating an injury to his shoulder."
05:40 moiety "I had to think of something that would relax her ... I thought I'd stimulate her clitoris to get access to the inside to do that proper examination, hoping that she'd relax." WTF .... a woman that avoided internal exams .... kden thats really going to relax her
05:41 dub that deserves stella award
05:41 moiety deserves a smack in the face
05:41 moiety they have tools for that kind of thing
05:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9328 @ 0.00095915 = 8.947 BTC [-] {2}
05:43 moiety one of our locum psychiatrists allegedly propositioned a stripper in her appointment. he actually went to her club and asked for her by name later
05:43 fluffypony mircea_popescu: question on the gpg wot
05:43 mircea_popescu soooo ?
05:43 fluffypony when you import someone's pubkey and set their trust level
05:43 fluffypony it updates your keyring
05:43 fluffypony how do you push that updated keyring to the keyserver?
05:44 mircea_popescu you export their pubkey
05:44 fluffypony --send-keys just pushes my key, not the trust level
05:44 fluffypony oic
05:44 mircea_popescu but... the trust level it's your own
05:44 moiety she complained about him and he had to leave. big court case and everything about it.
05:44 mircea_popescu anyway, the gpg wot is imo a broken beyond belief implementaiton
05:44 mircea_popescu and shouldn't be called a wot in the first place.
05:44 fluffypony well they broke it the minute they started having "signing parties" at every con in existence
05:44 mircea_popescu moiety wait. stripper complained about customer asking for her by name ?!
05:45 fluffypony because that's a great basis for "trust"
05:45 mircea_popescu what is she, insane ?
05:45 moiety no he wasnt a customer, he was her psychiatrist
05:45 mircea_popescu fluffypony early internet people held the idiotic belief that "meeting irl" is some sortt of gold standard.
05:45 mircea_popescu hence all the "you wouldn't say that to my face" bs
05:45 moiety she was mid-moan about her life and he asked her for a blowjob apparently
05:45 fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah, which was the number 1 reason why I never went to another IRC meet after my first one in 1997
05:46 mircea_popescu it's a common mistake of the pompously clueless, and good sister of the entire "trolls are bad for society" mtyh
05:46 mircea_popescu moiety heh. so dude was creepy.
05:46 fluffypony moiety: she could have transitioned from one type of moan to another
05:46 fluffypony and gotten her therapy fees back with interest
05:46 moiety i think this was his plan fluffypony
05:46 mircea_popescu fluffypony yeah but she was paying so she doesn't have to.
05:46 fluffypony werd
05:47 moiety mircea_popescu: well he was actually. to everyone. but she was also nuts, so it did make things difficult. he is still working
05:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.00096178 = 51.2148 BTC [+] {5}
05:47 mircea_popescu moiety there's this confusion being peddled, in classic libertard manner, that it's the form rather than the substance. however, in my experience it's absolutely never THE FACT that he propositioned her that is the issue.
05:48 mircea_popescu it's just that he sucks, ie, the substance of that proposition.
05:48 mircea_popescu otherwise, i've hit on doctors/nurses/people in the street/whoever the fuck. what's the big deal.
05:50 mircea_popescu if a society isn't willing to put up with "inappropriate" propositioning, that society will have to put up with specially designated "proposition pens" where everyone's fcking awkward and the whole thing's unpleasant.
05:50 mircea_popescu former option much better.
05:51 moiety this is true. the problem with him being picking someone that had severe issues around it when he was in a position of trust rather than a nurse/doctor/person in the street
05:52 fluffypony lawlz seedcoin: "We have regular contacts with institutional investors, I am not sure how many institutional investors may have expressed a lack of confidence (publicly or to you) in what we do, if they have I would be happy to answer their concerns, but I wished to inform you that the institutional and angel investors we have been in contact with have expressed great confidence in Seedcoin and our support to crypto startups."
05:52 mircea_popescu but you're always in a position of trust. this "position of trust" analysis is bollocks. at the very least you trust the random passerby not to mug you.
05:53 mircea_popescu tell him my concerns are that he's a fucktard, and ask him to please address them.
05:53 fluffypony which was their response to me raising 14 questions on the TagPesa crap they're trying to piddle: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=586230.msg6418858#msg6418858
05:53 mircea_popescu curious if he'll go the "o mp is not an institutional investor, because breaking the back of everyone else does not qualify one" or "he said fucktard so i no longer have to listen nao lalalala"
05:53 mircea_popescu route
05:57 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well rather than an institutional investor I've just assumed you've transcended to being the institution
05:57 mircea_popescu !up HoreaV
05:57 assbot Voicing HoreaV for 30 minutes.
05:59 moiety re rtust this is true mircea_popescu but shouldn't you be able to trust your doctor to keep professional at least while in an appointment?
05:59 moiety trust*
05:59 mircea_popescu why should "professional" exclude flirting ?
05:59 mircea_popescu you should be able to trust your doctor not to be unpleasant, of which you are the only judge. and if you don't like him go to another. which is why the free market is important.
05:59 Naphex ;;rate HoreaV 10 Horea Vuscan of BTCXchange.ro
06:00 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user HoreaV has been recorded.
06:00 moiety asking someone who is crying about their daddy issues to suck your dick isn't flirting tho
06:00 mircea_popescu a doctor shouldn't have to follow some ultimately absurd behaviour guidelines, because he's an adult, and a patient should not have to depend that the doctor does follow such, or that they're adequate, because he has no options.
06:00 mircea_popescu no argument there.
06:00 mircea_popescu but the problem is he sucked, basically.
06:01 moiety bottom line. ^ yeah
06:02 fluffypony or that he *wanted* to be sucked
06:02 mircea_popescu ends up generally misrepresented as "well the problem is he propositioned her". nonsense. the problem is he apparently has the discernment of a five year old.
06:02 moiety i did have a female doctor who a patient leave her caseload because she was seen out at a pub on a weekend, which was ridiculous.
06:03 mircea_popescu yeah but i mean... patient's call.
06:04 mircea_popescu i know women who won't use a male gyn, to their detriment, as male gyns are usually better. but hey, her lyf, her call.
06:04 moiety thats often a comfort thing
06:04 moiety and yeah we switched around doctors whenever the patients wanted
06:04 mircea_popescu kinda why the male gyns are better, too. they don't have one so it's scary on some level.
06:05 moiety male midwives get a hard time too
06:05 mircea_popescu HoreaV hey there ?
06:05 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot davide
06:05 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user davide: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=davide | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=davide | Rated since: never
06:06 HoreaV mircea_popescu: hey back, Naphex is still setting me up with the console and explaining. i'll be done in a sec
06:06 mircea_popescu cool.
06:08 mircea_popescu %t
06:08 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1715k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 187
06:08 HoreaV ;;rate Naphex 10 Best programmer that i ever worked with. Cofounder at BTCXchange.ro
06:08 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user Naphex has been recorded.
06:10 mircea_popescu ;;rate HoreaV 1 btcxchange.ro
06:10 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HoreaV has been recorded.
06:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00095596 = 29.2524 BTC [-] {2}
06:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0045101 = 0.451 BTC [-]
06:23 cazalla moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P
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06:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00096077 = 22.1457 BTC [+] {2}
06:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00096436 = 44.2159 BTC [+] {5}
06:31 mircea_popescu wao hey, can you send me a shipment of those copper rounds ?
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07:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17935 @ 0.00096269 = 17.2658 BTC [-] {3}
07:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096043 = 21.1295 BTC [-] {2}
07:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00096515 = 11.7748 BTC [+] {2}
07:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06724331 = 0.6724 BTC [-]
07:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06724331 = 0.1345 BTC [-]
07:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0075 = 0.3975 BTC [+]
07:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00096572 = 11.2506 BTC [+] {2}
08:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00096609 = 14.8778 BTC [+] {2}
08:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00096346 = 18.3057 BTC [-]
08:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00096624 = 16.8126 BTC [+] {2}
08:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51123251 = 1.0225 BTC [+] {2}
08:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51199998 BTC [+]
08:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046345 = 0.4635 BTC [+]
08:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06724331 = 0.2017 BTC [-]
08:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0345 = 0.138 BTC [+]
08:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03450588 = 0.2415 BTC [+] {3}
08:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0409979 = 0.123 BTC [+] {3}
08:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03450687 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
08:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {2}
08:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0409979 = 0.41 BTC [+] {4}
08:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0409979 = 0.287 BTC [+] {3}
08:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {4}
08:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04099792 = 0.369 BTC [+] {5}
08:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04099999 = 0.123 BTC [+] {2}
08:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
08:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0009663 = 24.6407 BTC [+] {3}
08:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00445218 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2}
08:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00096646 = 11.9358 BTC [+]
08:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00096636 = 45.9987 BTC [-] {4}
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09:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4768 @ 0.0009666 = 4.6087 BTC [+]
09:10 fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/
09:11 kakobrekla since you are here fluffypony , re this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587244.msg6434861#msg6434861
09:12 kakobrekla you might as well link them: http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
09:12 fluffypony kakobrekla: I've actually got another blog post that is just waiting for April results, I'll include a link to that in it
09:13 kakobrekla aha
09:14 pankkake it even mentions AsicMiner, so humble of MP
09:15 fluffypony kakobrekla: does blogs.bitcoin-assets.com auto-update or is it manual?
09:15 pankkake I'm the one running it
09:15 * fluffypony nearly said manul and was waiting for moiety to show up
09:15 pankkake and it's every 37 minutes or so
09:15 fluffypony oic oic
09:16 pankkake I might do it more, I didn't want to hammer your blogs too much, but it's actually quite smart (it checks the last modified date of the rss if it can provide one)
09:16 pankkake next step is a bot to notify of new posts
09:16 fluffypony nice
09:17 fluffypony maybe assbot should poll the rss feed to watch for changes?
09:18 kakobrekla pankkake do you run a cronjob there or is that site built on the fly
09:19 kakobrekla ah right
09:19 pankkake it's a cron, so everything is static
09:19 kakobrekla 37 minuts
09:19 * kakobrekla should read moar
09:19 pankkake it was 42 minutes. I'm changing to 7 :)
09:19 kakobrekla well how about you post a new post notification to me?
09:23 pankkake I'm looking at how I can do that with venus (the tool I use to build blogs.b-a). the sending to irc part is easy, I already have a dumb bot for that
09:24 pankkake otherwise I'll do it with a RSS parser I know, which already handles the "is this thing new" aspect
09:25 pankkake but if I can avoid polling myself…
09:25 kakobrekla i can make assbot polll
09:25 kakobrekla its not ideal but yea
09:25 kakobrekla json would been better
09:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33329 @ 0.00096692 = 32.2265 BTC [+] {3}
09:27 HeySteve RyS eh
09:28 fluffypony rys?
09:30 HeySteve from the thread you link, rethink your strategy
09:30 fluffypony oh yes
09:30 fluffypony that thread got really trashy
09:31 fluffypony still a fun read
09:31 HeySteve heh OP started it that way
09:32 fluffypony yeah, I love how at the end he's like "I'm going to litecointalk!"
09:32 fluffypony as if that's a bastion of legitimacy :-P
09:32 pankkake he got really really mad
09:33 HeySteve people should start with businesses they can achieve with their own resources
09:33 pankkake that crumbs guy is a hero
09:33 HeySteve seeking funding for My First Bizniz is not credible
09:33 pankkake HeySteve: and in most cases, those things don't even need the funding they ask…
09:33 fluffypony yeah, that's why I keep asking for them to justify the expense
09:34 fluffypony show me 1 calculation with sub-totals
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09:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00096591 = 24.8239 BTC [-]
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10:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096941 = 15.0259 BTC [+] {2}
10:21 thestringpuller ;;google change clothes and go
10:21 gribble JAY-Z - Change Clothes ft. Pharrell - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6G1uwe20wg>; Jay Z – Change Clothes Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-change-clothes-lyrics>; JAY-Z LYRICS - Change Clothes: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/changeclothes.html>
10:21 BCB who runs Cryptostocks.com
10:22 thestringpuller ;;ident
10:22 gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
10:22 thestringpuller BCB: does it not say on the site?
10:22 thestringpuller lol
10:22 BCB anonymous registration
10:22 BCB I never heard of htem
10:22 BCB them
10:22 BCB you
10:22 thestringpuller never used them
10:22 BCB anyone know Vircurex
10:23 pankkake BCB: a guy named kumala
10:23 thestringpuller vircurex is canadian no?
10:23 BCB pankkake: who is kumala
10:23 BCB thestringpuller: eys
10:23 BCB yes
10:23 BCB what about havelock investments
10:23 pankkake no idea, besides a bitcointalk username
10:27 thestringpuller so havelock is definitely in scam territory now?
10:27 thestringpuller good thing i vacated
10:27 thestringpuller !last h b.mine
10:27 assbot Last trade for B.MINE on HAVELOCK was at 0.034 BTC [-]
10:28 fluffypony pankkake: is the rss poll broken? my most recent blog post isn't showing up
10:29 thestringpuller fluffypony don't use rss then
10:29 thestringpuller >::P
10:29 fluffypony thestringpuller: I meant his poll to my rss feed :)
10:30 thestringpuller you're a special one aren't you?
10:30 pankkake I see "How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business"
10:30 fluffypony OH
10:30 fluffypony it's at the bottom
10:30 fluffypony see it
10:30 fluffypony tks :)
10:30 * fluffypony needs more coffee
10:31 pankkake but I've had an instance of it not updating trilema, so maybe it wasn't there earlier
10:33 BCB thestringpullerso havelock is definitely in scam territory now? << Why do you say that
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10:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00096701 = 10.4921 BTC [-]
10:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096601 = 11.2057 BTC [-] {2}
11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9916 @ 0.00096942 = 9.6128 BTC [+]
11:14 thestringpuller because it is doing untrustworthy things
11:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1006 @ 0.001 = 1.006 BTC {3}
11:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 190 @ 0.001 = 0.19 BTC
11:21 mike_c ;;seen davout
11:21 gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <davout> random_cat: wet pussies are the consequence of so much log, not the other way around
11:22 fluffypony he was here earlier
11:22 fluffypony quit like an hour ago
11:22 mike_c no x.eur's for sale.
11:23 pankkake maybe there is an eur shortage
11:23 kakobrekla ha-ha!
11:27 Naphex kakobrekla: is there a list / help of assbot commands?
11:28 mike_c !help
11:28 assbot List of commands:
11:28 assbot !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
11:28 assbot !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
11:28 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
11:28 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
11:28 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
11:28 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
11:28 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
11:28 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
11:28 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
11:28 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
11:28 kakobrekla nooooooooo!!!111
11:28 mike_c assbot please send donation
11:28 Naphex ;]
11:28 kakobrekla !help mike_c
11:28 assbot List of commands:
11:28 assbot !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
11:28 assbot !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
11:28 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
11:28 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
11:28 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
11:28 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
11:28 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
11:28 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
11:28 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
11:28 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
11:28 kakobrekla fuck
11:28 kakobrekla doenst that work
11:28 kakobrekla :(
11:28 mike_c assbot please send two donations
11:28 kakobrekla lel
11:28 Naphex probably should reply that with privmsg/notice
11:28 Naphex :P
11:29 kakobrekla yes i think it does under some circumstance
11:29 Naphex is that an eggbot? or some standalone?
11:29 mike_c assbot has to keep up with mp's line count somehow
11:30 kakobrekla its a thing i made many years ago Naphex
11:33 pankkake reply in notice on !up would be nice too, because I just /msg the bot, and the reply opens a query
11:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17430 @ 0.00097148 = 16.9329 BTC [+]
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
11:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 629 @ 0.001 = 0.629 BTC
11:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00097131 = 24.1371 BTC [-] {3}
11:48 mike_c kakobrekla, would it be troublesome to add a primary key to http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/? seems to me there isn't a reliable way to determine uniqueness. you could very well have two trades with the same.. everything.
11:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
11:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 350 @ 0.001 = 0.35 BTC
11:49 kakobrekla myea thats a point
11:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 295 @ 0.00082074 = 0.2421 BTC [-] {3}
11:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]
11:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00316148 = 0.1707 BTC [-] {3}
11:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 411 @ 0.00079972 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {5}
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00096654 = 14.2565 BTC [-]
12:01 mike_c ;;later tell hanbot one easy way for PIF bitbets to be publicly auditable would be to use the same out address for all the bets. is that the plan?
12:01 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:02 pankkake *MPIF
12:02 mike_c i can't stop calling it pif. two syllables is one too many.
12:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
12:04 mike_c BingoBoingo's is going to be hardest to track.
12:05 fluffypony piffy?
12:06 thestringpuller ;;seen mod6
12:06 gribble mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <mod6> thx artifexd :)
12:12 Naphex so in my offtime i'm implementing a decent notification system in bitcoin core
12:13 Naphex and i was getting into posting the messages and thinking
12:13 Naphex for a first implementation do notification with:
12:14 Naphex A. UNIX Socket / Local Socket - Connect to it, start broadcasting notifications
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 410 @ 0.001 = 0.41 BTC
12:14 Naphex B. JSON-NP Callbacks - For easier integration with current systems
12:14 kakobrekla this ? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861
12:15 Naphex whats that? - first look is just watch only
12:15 kakobrekla arent you doing watch only notif
12:16 artifexd Naphex: If you're interested, conformal's btcd already has websockets available and extending it is almost trivial.
12:16 Naphex artifexd: thanks, but implementing this in bitcoin core.
12:17 Naphex for the exchange i use something else entierly
12:17 Naphex this is not related, just offtime stuff
12:17 Naphex i wouldn't do websockets in it, too much overhead for bitcoin
12:18 artifexd Have fun and good luck
12:18 Naphex what's the luck for?:P
12:19 danielpbarron what is an appropriate operating system on which to run an offline wallet?
12:20 danielpbarron (linux -- which one?, bsd? )
12:22 thestringpuller danielpbarron: this is where I slap you
12:22 danielpbarron please do
12:22 thestringpuller in all seriousness you shouldn't haven't have a full wallet on a computer
12:22 thestringpuller generate addresses offline print them on paper
12:23 thestringpuller send coins to the paper wallets
12:23 thestringpuller store wallets in safety deposit boxes
12:23 thestringpuller with backups in europe and asia
12:23 danielpbarron ugh
12:23 thestringpuller maybe have your most trusted body guard/head of security hold one
12:23 danielpbarron already do that
12:23 danielpbarron i want to do offline transaction signing
12:24 artifexd thestringpuller: You are describing cold storage. It sounds like danielpbarron is looking for warm storage.
12:24 danielpbarron i want to be able to make multi-sig transactions
12:24 artifexd Cold, warm, hot. They all have their place.
12:25 danielpbarron unless someone can explain to me why that isn't necessary and that I'm going at this all wrong
12:25 thestringpuller lol you want to sign a transaction offline then transmit it to the nodes whenever?
12:25 thestringpuller isn't there trusted software for that by now?
12:25 danielpbarron that's what i'm asking
12:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 134 @ 0.001 = 0.134 BTC
12:27 dexX7 hmm.. so gribble and assbot had some troubles identifying me with another nick: http://dpaste.com/1801925/
12:27 Naphex danielpbarron: linux would be fine, but make sure you don't run other stuff
12:27 Naphex and keep it clean and bare
12:28 danielpbarron which distro?
12:28 Naphex i'd go with gentoo, but whatever is fine
12:28 danielpbarron i'm already familiar with debian based, but i've also done gentoo
12:28 Naphex whatever you can install the cleanest
12:28 danielpbarron gentoo was harder but much nicer when done
12:28 Naphex make sure you use filesystem encryption as well
12:29 danielpbarron what about the bsd variant to which MP donated
12:29 thestringpuller freebsd?
12:29 Naphex to ward off any physical attacks like physical hdd theft
12:29 fluffypony OpenBSD
12:29 thestringpuller ask mod6 bout dat
12:29 danielpbarron idk
12:29 Naphex you can use whatever you want, except windows
12:29 Naphex but keep it clean, and only run what you need - bare
12:29 dexX7 anyway. Naphex: i did only follow the last lines, so i'm not 100 % sure, if your intention is clear to me -- if you are looking for a simple solution to establish some kind of "bitcoin based event notification system", you may use the (redirected) debug output as basis which could be parsed and processed further
12:29 danielpbarron lol wouldn't dream of it (haven't used windows in years)
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0075 = 3 BTC [+]
12:29 Naphex firewall with blacklist everything, only whitelist what you know
12:30 Naphex and make sure you only accept validated messages, before hitting your software
12:30 danielpbarron not necessary right, the machine has no ethernet devices
12:30 Naphex dexX7: yes but i want something more clear cut, that can scale
12:30 kakobrekla dexX7 yea taht could be fixed but it would break the neatness of the design :)
12:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14457 @ 0.00096643 = 13.9717 BTC [-] {2}
12:30 danielpbarron or is that incase someone takes the machine and installs ethernet?
12:31 Naphex danielpbarron: dexX7 i'm thinking like listen to a port/unix socket
12:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00096524 = 16.3019 BTC [-] {3}
12:31 dexX7 as source for the data?
12:32 Naphex connect to it, and broadcast notifications through it
12:32 dexX7 aka you want to rebuild a bitcoin client?
12:32 Naphex either that or in reverse, where it connects to a aggregate server, and that just runs pubsub
12:32 Naphex yes i forked current master, and 0.9.1
12:33 dexX7 mind to share a link?
12:33 Naphex its private atm, not on any service. just dirty git clone
12:33 Naphex i will when there is something working
12:33 Naphex even if its not final version
12:34 Naphex but what i'm thinking is just a notification system for BitcoinD clusters, track txid's, addresses and confirmations
12:34 thestringpuller Naphex: like what?
12:34 thestringpuller offline wallet can't touch net even on firewall part
12:34 thestringpuller you can't trust the TCP/IP stack
12:35 Naphex uh, what's that related to?
12:35 Naphex for notifications?
12:35 thestringpuller for anything
12:35 thestringpuller the firewall shouldn't talk to other machines with your "airgapped" software
12:35 thestringpuller cause what you're describing is a semi-permeable airgap
12:35 dexX7 ah np, just trying to understand your approach. at which point do you fetch and process incoming information?
12:36 Naphex thestringpuller: there are hot wallets and cold ones
12:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 360 @ 0.001 = 0.36 BTC
12:37 Naphex if your hot wallet serves based on verified, signed messages, wheter HMAC or whatever, i'd say its pretty fine.
12:37 thestringpuller depends on the transaction volume
12:37 Naphex you trust the sig
12:38 Naphex thestringpuller: for example, current hot wallet software
12:38 Naphex won't accept any messages, whatever the source or trust
12:38 Naphex if the user's OTP is not valid
12:39 Naphex now OTP can be, Email / YubiKey -> GPG, Bitcoin signature
12:39 Naphex now the users have that secret, so an intruder couldn't do much without user secrets
12:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
12:40 Naphex even if an attackers gets through mostly everything undetected
12:40 Naphex its a dead end
12:41 thestringpuller so you keep the keyring hot?
12:41 thestringpuller that's all that matters
12:41 Naphex only the hot wallets
12:42 thestringpuller uh no
12:42 Naphex which are hot by design
12:42 thestringpuller there is an implementation of hot wallets that don't require the key ring to touch the internet
12:42 Naphex for incoming or outgoing?
12:43 thestringpuller outgoing
12:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 193 @ 0.0013501 = 0.2606 BTC [+]
12:43 Naphex so you want to sign transactions offline?
12:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 540 @ 0.00135202 = 0.7301 BTC [+]
12:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1030 @ 0.001 = 1.03 BTC {2}
12:44 thestringpuller why wouldn't you?
12:44 Naphex why would i when i want a hot instant wallet?
12:45 thestringpuller why do you want a hot instant wallet?
12:45 Naphex so clients can withdraw in an instant
12:45 Naphex they want it too
12:45 thestringpuller ...
12:46 thestringpuller this is where I rage quit like pankkake
12:46 Naphex :))
12:46 Naphex look, you can secure servers and keep stuff secure. now i'm not saying run everything hot
12:46 Naphex but you can always keep i.e 10 BTC out of 1000 HOT
12:46 Naphex and run everything else cold, you can even run deposits cold
12:47 Naphex but wait 5mins on a withdrawal, and you're gonna get an email
12:47 Naphex after a phone call
12:47 thestringpuller no you're not
12:47 danielpbarron what's more secure; using a machine that was set up before Bitcoin existed and hasn't been updated since; or a totally fresh install?
12:47 thestringpuller mpex investors have to wait sometimes up to 24hours for withdrawals
12:47 mike_c hm, JD seems to be down.
12:47 pankkake thestringpuller: :o)
12:47 Naphex thestringpuller: well thats their priviledge
12:48 Naphex mean while, Joe Giner wants his 0.2 btc that he just bought out now
12:48 Naphex so he can do whatever with it
12:48 thestringpuller Joe Giner isn't worth a security breach
12:48 Naphex maybe buy some Google Play Giftcards
12:48 pankkake if the machine is really offline even Windows ME should be fine!
12:48 danielpbarron what about random number generation?
12:48 pankkake good point
12:49 Naphex thestringpuller: honestly if you have a well designed system, that gets breached and you get ninja'd out of the 10 hotwallet BTC
12:49 Naphex it was probably worth it
12:49 Naphex and you can get it out of your pocket
12:49 thestringpuller no, it wasn't
12:49 thestringpuller MPEx has lost 0 BTC of investor funds.
12:49 thestringpuller please direct me to another facility of such high standards.
12:49 Naphex i haven't lost 1 satoshi yet
12:50 benkay "yet"
12:50 Naphex well put it like this
12:50 Naphex the most sophisticated attacker, will need user secrets to get whatever they have
12:50 Naphex or break HMAC-SHA256
12:51 thestringpuller or they can dump unencrypted memory with a 0 day exploit you have no idea about yet trust your system completely
12:51 thestringpuller because you've audited all 100% of the code oyu're running
12:51 Naphex they can't
12:51 Naphex server can only get clean, hard messages
12:51 Naphex everything else gets dunked a long way from there
12:52 benkay tbh it's an arch i'm interested in, Naphex
12:52 benkay what does the message look like?
12:52 Naphex MESSAGE-DATA:UUID:SIGNATURE:OTP
12:52 Naphex for example
12:53 Naphex TIMESTAMP/MICRO:MESSAGE-DATA:UUID:SIGNATURE:OTP
12:53 Naphex forgot that :P
12:53 Naphex signature is hmac-sha256 with secret, from field 1 to uuid
12:53 pankkake you never know where security bugs are
12:53 Naphex OTP - is otp released to the client, by levels email yubikey/gpg/ - whatever
12:54 Naphex messages will only be fowarded by firewalls/load balancers/proxy whatever. only if valid clean message
12:54 Naphex so lets say, max length 120, valid checksum, valid message
12:54 benkay are you just eval'ing those funcalls when you get 'em?
12:54 Naphex then server checks signature, then checks otp
12:55 Naphex i have state-full firewalls that know the protocol before
12:55 Naphex and they check and validate the protocol and messages before
12:55 Naphex just to make sure they are clean, and no 0 day can travell till the end
12:56 mike_c mpex actually did lose some investor funds according to rota :)
12:56 thestringpuller mike_c: good point ;) man that was a long time ago
12:57 asciilifeform gotta ask, what's the basis for trusting 'yubikey' ?
12:58 Naphex asciilifeform: i trust them mostly, but the security level is chosen by the client. so if client trusts yubi, then it trusts yubi validation servers
12:58 Naphex i will soon be implementing GPG OTP
12:58 Naphex so there
12:58 asciilifeform the hardware.
12:59 asciilifeform afaik - as closed as it gets
13:00 Naphex asciilifeform: http://static.yubico.com/var/uploads/pdfs/Security%20Evaluation%202_0_1.pdf
13:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70729420 BTC to 7`514 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
13:00 Naphex i'd recommend the system over gauth
13:00 Naphex and you don't have to keep the secret keys for it
13:00 asciilifeform Naphex: what can we tell from this marketing brochure?
13:01 asciilifeform i see no description of the internals.
13:02 Naphex of the hardware?
13:02 asciilifeform correct
13:03 Naphex doubt their open
13:03 asciilifeform they're not.
13:03 Naphex but the software is, and there are some yubi software generators around
13:03 thestringpuller what's the point of 2 factor?
13:03 asciilifeform the hardware makes a promise.
13:03 asciilifeform we cannot see if the promise is kept
13:04 jurov thestringpuller: mpex did lose few bitcoins due to human errors, don't paint mp as saint
13:04 jurov manual process does have disavantages, too
13:05 thestringpuller true but far less than say bitcoinica
13:05 Naphex i use a yubikey neo, and i'm pretty happy with it
13:05 Naphex i don't place maxtrust on it
13:05 Naphex but it's a level above
13:06 Naphex don't place maxtrust(TM) on anything though :)
13:06 asciilifeform it's never a question of 'maxtrust'
13:08 asciilifeform for instance, what measures, if any, against 'differential power analysis' in yubikey?
13:08 fluffypony on the topic of SeedCoin: http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/
13:08 asciilifeform the closed aspect suggests, 'none'
13:09 jurov thestringpuller: burnside (of btct) trolled coinbr hard, because mpex keys are online
13:10 jurov but they must be somehow online for ppl to be able to trade
13:10 thestringpuller offline/online
13:10 benkay fluffypony: you missed the conversation where we mocked sfi for just listing a bunch of other people's projects on their havelock page.
13:10 thestringpuller sorry misreading your sentence
13:10 pankkake well, GPG allows you to be partially online
13:10 fluffypony benkay: yeah the whole thing is a joke
13:10 Naphex asciilifeform: are you sugesting DPA could be use in retriving yubikey secret?
13:10 pankkake unless it signs with the main key
13:10 Naphex which you would need to generate a valid otp
13:10 asciilifeform Naphex: for instance.
13:11 fluffypony benkay: did you see their reply to my TagPesa questions? they're all shock and horror that I suggested that institutional investors and even casual observers aren't impressed with them
13:11 kakobrekla mike_c : http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/ < dis ok? note the csv url is different nao
13:11 benkay i saw something to the effect in the logs. tbqf i don't in2 drama.
13:12 asciilifeform a closed gadget suggests that there is something to be gained from learning what has been kept closed.
13:14 mike_c kakobrekla: perfect, thanks.
13:15 Naphex asciilifeform: https://www.emsec.rub.de/media/crypto/veroeffentlichungen/2014/02/04/paper_yubikey_sca.pdf apperantly it got sca'd some time ago
13:15 Naphex Having discovered the security problem, before publication, we contacted the
13:15 asciilifeform there we go.
13:15 Naphex vendor Yubico as mentioned before. Yubico acknowledged our results and has
13:15 Naphex taken measures to mitigate the security issues. We examined an updated firmware
13:15 Naphex (version 2.4) and found that our attacks do not apply to this improved version.
13:16 Naphex so yeah they had to tape the button
13:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9573 @ 0.0009692 = 9.2782 BTC [+]
13:17 asciilifeform interesting lack of detail about vendor's response.
13:17 Naphex there is a response bit more down
13:17 Naphex something about NEO and STANDARD were unaffected because OATH
13:19 asciilifeform that's a response?
13:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 405 @ 0.001 = 0.405 BTC
13:23 Naphex guess so, still.. you'd still need the button pressed
13:23 Naphex or taped
13:24 Naphex so a backdoor /trojan wouldn't get it without a huge sample size
13:24 Naphex i'm not trumpeting yubikey, but i don't know of a better OTP atm
13:25 asciilifeform nothing to do with trojans
13:26 asciilifeform the device comes with not one but two gestures of bad faith
13:26 asciilifeform i.e. - close,
13:26 asciilifeform and undertakes to solve a problem to which there can be no solution
13:26 asciilifeform *closed
13:26 Naphex well, i just use it as a solution for OTP without handling private keys
13:27 asciilifeform you're still handling private keys
13:27 Naphex for GAuth you gotta transport the secret to the user
13:27 asciilifeform just in a box
13:27 asciilifeform that is decorated with alchemical symbols, in order to seem impenetrable to naive buyer
13:28 Naphex you're not handling the private keys since you can just check yubico servers
13:28 asciilifeform you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ?
13:28 Naphex you only need client's pubkey
13:29 Naphex asciilifeform: still protecting Gauth secret ruins the whole point
13:29 Naphex if i have to deliver DH/GPG secret to the client for GAuth
13:30 Naphex to just have it on the phone / or cached or who knows what
13:30 Naphex i'd just stop ther eand request gpg auth:P
13:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3572 @ 0.0009692 = 3.462 BTC [+]
13:30 asciilifeform take minute to think, what is yubi hiding, when refusing to publish the design ?
13:32 * Naphex unplugs yubikey out :)
13:33 Naphex well - a completly open OTP token, with hardware for sale would make a killin'
13:33 Naphex i'd buy one
13:39 Naphex ;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token ;]
13:39 gribble Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
13:39 Naphex ;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token
13:39 gribble Error: 'asciilifeform' is not a valid integer.
13:39 Naphex psh
13:39 Naphex ;;rate asciilifeform 1 NSA Should make a open OTP Token
13:39 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
13:39 Naphex noob me, forgeting syntax
13:39 kakobrekla Naphex forget it, he is busy with the sub
13:40 pankkake ;;rate asciilifeform 1 makes the best tinfoil hats
13:40 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 1 to 1.
13:40 asciilifeform Naphex: 'cardano' could in principle be used as 'token.' but you gotta understand the difference between what yubi promises and what honest people can actually physically achieve
13:40 asciilifeform ed felten's words, 'try to make a safe that can be left in burglar's living room' sums up the issue
13:41 benkay what does yubi nominally promise?
13:41 asciilifeform benkay: it promises that a private key can be sent in the post, left plugged in at wiring closet, etc. without danger.
13:41 benkay hue
13:42 benkay I WOULD LIKE A CARDANO PLZ
13:42 diametric me too
13:42 Naphex for me it promises a OTP, from the user. which i can validate without holding a secret
13:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.00709698 = 0.2271 BTC [-] {5}
13:43 asciilifeform Naphex: what i'm trying to get across is that a fellow with yubikey in his pocket is, in fact, 'holding a secret'
13:43 Naphex and OTP just removes the risk of insider/intrusion that can just spam hotwallet servers or trade messages with withdrawals
13:43 asciilifeform even if a con artist has fooled him into thinking otherwise
13:43 Naphex asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key
13:44 Naphex so user gives me yubi pub key, and then shoots OTP
13:44 Naphex i validate OTP against yubiservers
13:44 asciilifeform since no one groks, looks like i'll have to 'draw a picture.'
13:45 asciilifeform extraction of yubi internal key by the postman isn't the only interesting scenario
13:45 asciilifeform vendor has the key.
13:45 asciilifeform does he need to? the way it is designed - yes
13:45 artifexd If it makes a difference, yubikey's internal slots are client writable.
13:46 Naphex true, but my risk is still reduced, that an attacker/breacher would have to have private keys leaked, have user secrets, and have user email, and penetrate hard within infrastructure without detection, to nab some satoshi from the hot wallet
13:46 asciilifeform likewise, given closed design, user has no way of knowing if yubi tosses a few bits of key into each signature nonce
13:46 asciilifeform etc
13:46 benkay can't vet the thing's behavior, artifexd. might as well be squirting things written to those slots back home.
13:47 Naphex some risk reduction is worth it, even if not bulletproof in all theoretical/practical/NSA cases
13:47 asciilifeform you don't need an army and navy to pwn yubi users. just a little bit of cooperation from the vendor.
13:48 Naphex at least some 0 day or insider, or whatever breaches deep enough to issue withdrawal messages
13:48 asciilifeform in that respect, it is exactly like other seekoority snake oil products.
13:48 Naphex it still needs that stuff to do damage
13:48 artifexd The point was that, instead of reading the key, an attacker could put his own key in there since he supposedly has access to the device prior to the client getting it. Also, the client could generate and insert is own keys thus destroying the attacker's advantage.
13:48 Naphex you don't have to go that deep
13:48 artifexd That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know.
13:49 asciilifeform all of the traditional crapola is present. enforced and perpetual dependence on the vendor, for example.
13:49 kakobrekla gox loaded yubis with their keys so the keys were locked to gox use only
13:49 Naphex you can just realtime phish or sniff/block otp
13:49 Naphex but that attack needs to be targeted
13:50 Naphex and gox had the keys
13:50 asciilifeform fact is, any secret key generated outside of your home should be assumed to be in enemy hands at birth.
13:51 Naphex of course
13:51 benkay all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party.
13:51 Naphex said signer can still leak his keyphrase and key
13:51 Naphex so..
13:51 benkay not holding party's problem, though.
13:52 asciilifeform yubi, by all indications, is designed to resist any attempt to determine whether it leaks key. therefore i must assume that it does.
13:53 artifexd benkay If the yubikey registers as a keyboard, how can it access the network?
13:54 artifexd It can certainly be loaded on an airgapped machine.
13:55 Naphex artifexd: you touch the button, it types the OTP
13:56 artifexd Yeah. I have several.
13:56 Naphex ah sorry, i missread
13:57 artifexd benkay suggested that the yubikey could phone home (or any attacker) with the new contents if it were reloaded. I was questioning that.
13:58 Naphex ah, i doubt it. unless their personalization tool phones home, but doubt that
13:59 benkay artifexd: i don't know enough about the thing. it pretends to be a keyboard, though? sounds like a lot of unexaminable dependencies.
13:59 artifexd And even if it did, run it on an airgapped machine.
13:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20383 @ 0.0009692 = 19.7552 BTC [+]
13:59 benkay so yubi is a signing thing? what are these yubi servers an implementer talks to?
13:59 benkay it sounds weird and i don't trust it.
14:00 benkay contrast with transparency of...gnu privacy guard.
14:01 artifexd Similar to the transparency of... openssl?
14:02 benkay bedrock of public crypto...known shitburger. great comparison.
14:03 artifexd Open source compared to open source. The point is that being open doesn't make something trustworthy.
14:04 benkay however being closed does make a thing impossible to trust.
14:05 benkay this goes back to the problem of trust in the wot. openssl, pirate...ask anyone who knows things what they think of the two.
14:05 benkay hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg?
14:05 benkay the comparison is not made on the basis of openness, rather by asking professionals and the experienced what their opinions are and why they are that.
14:07 Naphex for me its still about risk reduction
14:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06566806 = 0.197 BTC [-] {2}
14:08 Naphex attacker needs username, password, otp(yubi,gpg), email for approving a withdrawal
14:10 thestringpuller Naphex: i can get all three by putting a gun to the customer's head
14:10 thestringpuller 4*
14:11 pankkake you couldn't, I don't have my passwords
14:11 Naphex sure. if you get all 4 the only thing that can save you is hope you don't hit any short-circuits or be enough in the hot wallet
14:11 Naphex :P
14:12 Naphex maybe i can ask an emergency question?
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00096938 = 3.2959 BTC [+]
14:12 Naphex and only one right answer, if you put in wrong answer we helicopter and save you
14:12 pankkake :D
14:13 thestringpuller why not consolidate all 4 to gpg
14:13 Naphex you can set some really abstract question
14:13 Naphex thestringpuller: i am, i will be adding GPG auth. but thats it
14:13 Naphex we are planning on reaching regular folks as well
14:13 Naphex not just the crypto community
14:14 Naphex but we will be adding some nice UX for GPG authentication
14:14 Naphex and doing some tutorial video for setting up, for noobs
14:14 Naphex so there's that
14:16 Naphex https://www.btcxchange.ro/order - its meant to have some easyability in it, remember it's an exchange and we will be having a transaction fee at some point
14:16 ozbot btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania
14:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00096914 = 23.114 BTC [-] {2}
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00097105 = 6.3118 BTC [+] {2}
14:36 Duffer1 sf2? oh lawd another one?
14:36 mike_c there are so many good companies for them to invest in! they need more funds.
14:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.000835 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}
14:37 Duffer1 incredible
14:37 Naphex BTCTrip is nice and works well
14:38 fluffypony Naphex: that's the exception to the rule
14:38 fluffypony it's actually a completed product
14:38 fluffypony have you seen TagPesa's pitch deck?
14:38 fluffypony or BiTnews
14:38 Naphex nah, the rest look like bull
14:38 Naphex http://ignitefinancing.com/operators/
14:38 ozbot Operators | Ignite Financing
14:38 Naphex rly
14:49 thestringpuller ;;google major tom venture bros.
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14:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16071 @ 0.00097275 = 15.6331 BTC [+] {2}
14:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00097436 = 10.868 BTC [+]
15:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50188389 BTC [-]
15:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [+]
15:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00453622 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}
15:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33288 @ 0.00097529 = 32.4655 BTC [+] {2}
15:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067799 = 0.1356 BTC [+]
15:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096973 = 6.4002 BTC [-] {2}
15:15 benkay !up steven-__
15:15 assbot Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
15:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
15:24 jurov !up belcher
15:24 assbot Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.
15:24 jurov !up MiningBuddy
15:24 assbot Voicing MiningBuddy for 30 minutes.
15:25 jurov !up dR3
15:25 assbot Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.
15:25 dR3 Greets all. Appreciate this chan. That is all =)
15:30 jurov :)
15:30 * jurov looks whether SF1 paid any divs ..nope
15:32 jurov so not one of their startups is profitable yet.nice
15:32 thestringpuller they are gonna show us howt hey run this show
15:33 thestringpuller HOW THEY RUN IT INTO THE GROUND
15:33 mike_c they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon.
15:33 thestringpuller i'd rather put money in mpif
15:34 thestringpuller or just make equal high weight bets on boths sides of a bit bet...
15:34 thestringpuller :P
15:34 jurov http://www.seedco.in/home/sites/default/files/page/attachment/Seedcoin_incubator_nov_2013.pdf lol dividends aren't even mentioned
15:34 jurov that's ridiculous
15:35 jurov http://www.seedco.in/home/sites/default/files/page/attachment/SFI_IPO_prospectus.pdf says
15:35 fluffypony who needs dividends, jurov?
15:35 fluffypony investors should just throw money at it
15:35 jurov SFI unit holders are entitled to receive dividends indirectly from the Fund's startups which have a
15:35 jurov dividend distribution plan.
15:36 jurov how indirectly?
15:38 jurov guess the dividend plans are guarded with utmost secrecy :D
15:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067799 = 1.017 BTC [+]
15:42 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu my hunch is that all known block ciphers have non-linear keyspaces.
15:42 gribble The operation succeeded.
15:42 jurov asciilifeform: care to elaborate?
15:42 asciilifeform ;;google nonlinear keyspace
15:42 gribble Weak key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_key>; hybrid message-embedded cipher using logistic map - arXiv: <http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.2582>; State convergence and keyspace reduction of the Mixer stream cipher: <http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/628.pdf>
15:45 jurov so you suspect AES for certain keys is more easily crackable? how so?
15:46 asciilifeform jurov: this notion is not original to me, visit the literature
15:46 jurov because it was never proven otherwise? i can see that
15:46 midnightmagic history of past bad keyspace means attackers try that first always
15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0009754 = 22.1416 BTC [+] {3}
15:47 midnightmagic (aside from weak keygen)
15:49 BingoBoingo mike_c: It will be harder to track my part of MPIF, but the monthly statements will still exist, and there's the part where at least at the start of this the operation I am running is smaller than the other portions.
15:51 mike_c it would be feasible to have a webpage showing your balances. that is perhaps not a good idea for a market maker though.
15:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31991 @ 0.00097572 = 31.2143 BTC [+] {4}
15:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
15:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-]
15:58 BingoBoingo mike_c: Well, the monthly reports will include exact balances, but I'm not yet sure about the wisdom of offering balances in real time. That might leak things like when exactly trades executed and where I had orders sitting on the orderbook.
15:59 mike_c yeah. definitely a balancing act with how visible it should be.
16:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]
16:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0406 = 0.1218 BTC [-]
16:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
16:03 fluffypony "Due to popular demand, now available to trade on an easier to use system. Available here https://bitcoinbourse.eu/ ticker DUN"
16:03 fluffypony well that's the end of that
16:05 jurov lulzbourse is easy to use????
16:06 jurov the interface is rather chaotic
16:06 jurov and all orders expire in 3 days
16:07 fluffypony jurov: well you also don't have to do anything to list
16:07 jurov so you have to log in every 3 days if you want to maintain standing order
16:07 fluffypony except say "I want to list"
16:07 fluffypony in fact
16:07 fluffypony I'd hazard it's easier to list there than on MasterCoin
16:07 jurov oh i misunderstood... easy to use system for an issuer, not for the user
16:07 fluffypony yep
16:07 fluffypony :-P
~ 15 minutes ~
16:23 moiety my client was flashing when i got in, not sure if it was because moiety or manuls was mentioned
16:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 577 @ 0.001 = 0.577 BTC
16:24 moiety ;; later tell mircea_popescu even the doges are at it now http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr04/25/10/enhanced-buzz-22480-1398437911-8.jpg must be for cinco de mayo
16:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
16:25 fluffypony LOL
16:25 fluffypony have to show my wife that
16:25 fluffypony moiety: I mentioned manuls
16:26 pankkake lol a hilight on manuls
16:26 moiety alongside moiety... so im unsure which triggered smuxi to flash
16:26 moiety hi pankkake :D
16:27 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Do you worry that maybe your wife might begin to suspect you might be spending all of this time online trying to cheat on her with a Manul?
16:27 moiety that would obviously be forgiven as soon as she looked up manuls?
16:28 moiety also herroo BB :D
16:28 asciilifeform fly manul to argentina, breed with colocolo -> double thickness
16:28 moiety you are a genius
16:28 diametric asciilifeform: hows mainboard development going?
16:28 asciilifeform diametric: had to switch to 4-layer.
16:28 asciilifeform diametric: something that i was hoping to avoid
16:29 diametric damn
16:29 moiety i tried to rewire a mouse today, didnt go so well
16:30 pankkake a manul ate it?
16:31 moiety unfortunately not. i tried to frankenstein the usb bit on the end with a non frayed one. i ended up with more bits than i started with D;
16:31 fluffypony BingoBoingo: we have 6 dogs
16:31 fluffypony she knows I would never
16:32 moiety the hattori is a bit more vicious on little wires than i was expecting
16:32 BingoBoingo fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 dogs
16:32 moiety ^ this
16:32 fluffypony we have Basenjis
16:32 fluffypony they'll take a Manul on
16:32 moiety oh wow they dont bark do they
16:32 fluffypony nope
16:32 fluffypony they yodel
16:32 moiety yodelling dogs!
16:32 moiety i know the ones!
16:33 moiety they are corgi coloured BB but legs are like 5 times the length
16:33 BingoBoingo They look like malnourished strays
16:33 fluffypony BingoBoingo: lol
16:33 moiety just because youre used to seeing fat assed corgis
16:34 moiety you would be horrified at greyhounds
16:34 fluffypony they're one of the ancient breeds, so they're the dogs in ancient egypt that the pharoahs worshipped
16:34 asciilifeform basenji - that looks quite like the dogs i saw in Timis.
16:34 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The basenji is basically a pariah dog type. What other dogs revert to after uncontrolled breeding. Natural strays.
16:35 fluffypony yer`
16:35 fluffypony if you lock a bunch of dogs on an island
16:35 fluffypony say, Australia
16:35 fluffypony and come back in 100 years
16:35 fluffypony you'll have an island of Basenjis
16:35 BingoBoingo Compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Black_Terrier
16:35 jurov !up justusranvier
16:35 assbot Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
16:36 jurov !up mius
16:36 assbot Voicing mius for 30 minutes.
16:36 BingoBoingo Or its ancestor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Water_Dog
16:36 BingoBoingo 'They were developed as a water rescue/lifesaving dog, but according to O. Krasnovskaya, "That was not a good idea as [they] were not willing to save drowning people, but mostly were looking to bite them so this breed was never developed".'
16:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
16:40 Naphex sounds in tune with youtube russia :)
16:42 Naphex gn
16:45 moiety rhodesian ridgeback is an interesting dog imo
16:46 BingoBoingo just because it hunts lions, doesn't mean it will be effective against a Manul though.
16:46 moiety night Naphex sleep well :]
16:46 moiety nothing is effective against a manul!
16:46 fluffypony moiety: except a pack of Basenjis!
16:46 fluffypony :-P
16:47 moiety well, you have a pack.... shall we experiment?
16:47 moiety BB start the BitBet nao!
16:48 moiety put your bitcoins where your basenjis are fluffypony :P
16:48 * moiety bets on manuls
16:48 fluffypony lol
16:48 fluffypony moiety I would
16:48 fluffypony but
16:48 fluffypony I don't want to be responsible for a dead manul
16:49 moiety dead happy manul*
16:49 moiety dead = very in scotland
16:49 fluffypony lol
16:51 fluffypony moiety here
16:51 fluffypony http://imgur.com/a/1I7tm
16:51 ozbot Basenji fight - Imgur
16:51 fluffypony that's what happens when the beta picks a fight with the alpha
16:52 fluffypony (the beta lost, he's the one with the bust up eye)
16:52 mircea_popescu %t
16:52 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 156 Ask: 238 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 978k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 184
16:53 mircea_popescu so how was the difficulty ?
16:53 mircea_popescu %block
16:53 mod6 %diff
16:53 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 174611.14 in 1931 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -61.65
16:53 mircea_popescu aty
16:53 mircea_popescu .d
16:53 ozbot 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 180 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.5004% in 1d 1h 20m 11s
16:53 moiety fluffypony: wow what a shame D;
16:53 mircea_popescu ;;calc 455357.13 / 6.979 / 10**9
16:53 gribble 6.5246758848e-05
16:54 mircea_popescu 0.00006524 by diff.
16:54 fluffypony moiety: yeah, they belong to the "fight to the death" school of pack leadership :-P
16:55 moiety fluffypony: like hamsters
16:55 fluffypony there we go
16:55 fluffypony giant, yodelling hamsters
16:55 moiety XD bahahahahaha
16:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform its probable yubikeys have a master, yes.
16:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not only this, but they write the key. ergo, they have the key.
16:57 asciilifeform somehow this concept is 'rocket surgery' to people.
16:59 fluffypony it's still a sight better than "password + birthday = secure password"
17:00 asciilifeform may as well say that it beats being dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a tattered thread of skin.
17:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ? << no, you woke up in a parallel universe where microsoft is still a business model.
17:02 mircea_popescu not THAT paralel.
17:02 asciilifeform lul
17:03 mircea_popescu <Naphex> asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key <<< see, there. that's the value proposition : it allows the operator to say "sorry, fuck you" to the user in terms that are socially acceptable,
17:03 mircea_popescu unlike the bitbet style, which while being exactly the same thing, is socially unacceptable.
17:05 mircea_popescu artifexd> That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know. << afaik blowing their key does make it unable to use the servers, because you see, the true beauty of stupidty : they actually narrow the keyspace (significantly) to make their product vendor-lockedin
17:05 mircea_popescu ie, not all keys work, key has to satisfy magic yubikey criteria on top of entropy
17:06 pankkake lol
17:06 pankkake oh was that why the mtgox keys worked only with mtgox?
17:06 mircea_popescu <benkay> all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party. << welcome to... 2012 ?
17:06 mircea_popescu pankkake yup.
17:06 artifexd The code to run a yubikey server is open source so you, I, or anyone is welcome to swap out the key and run their own server.
17:06 mircea_popescu they used same principle, except (afaik) even shittier implementation
17:06 mircea_popescu reduced space even more
17:07 pankkake that's like the password things that require you to have "at least one number, one capitalized letter, one symbol"
17:07 mircea_popescu kinda worse, tbh
17:08 mircea_popescu <benkay> hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg? << gpg may still have a bug or two in there.
17:09 mircea_popescu <Naphex> we are planning on reaching regular folks as well << tbh, as long as you ernestly offer the strong version, nobody can hold it against you that you also offer a convenient version.
17:10 mircea_popescu as long as the user can choose, you're scott free.
17:10 mircea_popescu <mike_c> they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1. You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon. << i forget, what was the eventual return on that thing ?
17:11 mircea_popescu <midnightmagic> (aside from weak keygen) << and aside from planted holes.
17:12 mike_c sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends.
17:12 mike_c so not bad for havelol
17:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03447 = 0.6205 BTC [+] {6}
17:13 fluffypony mike_c: I'd love to know what they're going to do since GoCoin rejected their investment
17:13 fluffypony so now they have this pile of BTC that was meant for GoCoin
17:13 fluffypony or OkPay
17:13 fluffypony or whatever it's called
17:14 mike_c i'm sure they will find someone willing to take it.
17:14 fluffypony GoCoin
17:14 fluffypony http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/
17:14 ozbot Seedcoin Fund I Update: No GoCoin, What Next?
17:14 mircea_popescu today i learned Basenji is a sort of dog.
17:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03447 = 0.3102 BTC [+] {4}
17:16 mircea_popescu o wow all caught up with log. check me out!
17:16 * mircea_popescu does a little all caught up dance.
17:17 mircea_popescu mike_c ah, almost worse than dr foreskin
17:17 mircea_popescu fluffypony they'll buy virtual mining shares.
17:17 fluffypony hah hah
17:17 mircea_popescu this concept where they return the investment is obviously too much for teh forum.
17:19 artifexd mircea_popescu: What is the way in which purchasers of f.mpif are expecting to make money? Increase in nav? Dividends?
17:20 pankkake my last encounter with jimmothy points to that :/
17:20 mircea_popescu artifexd well substantially, my thinking is that one does not simply kill berkshire, one also makes a replacement. if one's polite, at least.
17:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
17:20 mircea_popescu so in general, the share should appreciate through tracking its nav.
17:21 artifexd That implies that you do not expect to issue regular dividends. Correct?
17:21 mircea_popescu dividends will happen if there's no rational use of capital comensurate with historical gains, so if the thing makes ~10% pa for a while, and there's no way to beat that, i'd start distributing capital
17:21 pankkake it's in the blog post iirc
17:21 mircea_popescu artifexd correct. it even says as much.
17:22 mircea_popescu " It may pay a dividend during any period I determine this expedient, but there is no promise of monthly dividend (nor does such a thing make any sense whatsoever, for most companies)."
17:22 artifexd Well. Crap. I hate asking questions when the answer is in black and white.
17:22 mircea_popescu eh no big deal, you don't have a charged history.
17:22 mircea_popescu everyone can get away with a few.
17:23 pankkake no one should be blamed for tl;dring trilema
17:23 mircea_popescu anyway : because i actually included pc5 explicitly, the share actually has a clear mechanism to track nav pretty closely.
17:23 mircea_popescu this i personally regard as a structural and significant improvement over berkshire.
17:24 fluffypony hah hah pankkake
17:24 pankkake there's no public nav for berkshire?
17:24 fluffypony I normally have to gloss over Trilema posts 5 or 6 times before I remember what it was about
17:24 Namworld Returning the investment is not something that the forum can digest you say? So if I complete repaying all my lenders, all hell will break loose on the forum?
17:24 fluffypony Namworld: I think the world will come to the end
17:24 mircea_popescu pankkake eh i wouldn't go as far as that
17:25 pankkake fluffypony: I'll eventually make a script to put them on my ereader. maybe I'll read them all then
17:25 mircea_popescu Namworld in a word, yes.
17:25 mircea_popescu pankkake see, the problem is you don't fly enough.
17:25 Namworld Seems like a good reason to not give up then.
17:25 mircea_popescu i know at least a dozen people who read trilema while travelling. catch up with a month's worth on an intercontinental flight
17:26 pankkake I have had some productivity streaks while on the train
17:26 pankkake that's actually why I don't mind long *comfortable* travel over short inconfortable
17:26 mircea_popescu btw, what's the worst time to have a productive streak ?
17:26 fluffypony on the toilet
17:26 mircea_popescu when you're riding a bird.
17:26 pankkake I usually solve problems when peeing
17:27 mircea_popescu (scottish bird = girl)
17:27 fluffypony lol
17:27 mircea_popescu btw, what's with the brony power puff nick ?
17:27 mircea_popescu faghaters were inquiring earlier.
17:27 fluffypony oh I saw that in the log
17:28 fluffypony ok so when I was young, maybe 22 or 23
17:28 mrstickball what's up with this stock? https://litecoininvest.com/security/HFLTC
17:28 mrstickball 100% APY
17:28 mircea_popescu "this one time, in band camp..."
17:28 mrstickball pretty vague stuff, wondering if its a ponzi
17:28 fluffypony I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company)
17:28 fluffypony and they were known as fluffy puppy and fluffy bunny
17:28 fluffypony never asked why
17:28 fluffypony at any rate, we went on a team building weekend away
17:29 fluffypony got slaughter-house drunk with them whilst the nerds went to sleep
17:29 fluffypony and they decided to give me a nick name
17:29 mircea_popescu before or after the oral sex ?
17:29 fluffypony so in the wee hours of a debaucherus night/morning they decided my nick name would be fluffy horse
17:29 fluffypony mircea_popescu: inbetween and all around
17:29 artifexd Isn't that known as "fluffing"?
17:29 fluffypony artifexd: that came up as part of the convo that night ;)
17:29 mircea_popescu is this story a subtle suggestion you've got a nigger hose ?
17:30 fluffypony mircea_popescu: *wink*
17:30 fluffypony anyway, I thought fluffy horse "sounded gay"
17:30 mircea_popescu don't wink at me, i don't twink that way
17:30 fluffypony and they thought "fluffy pony" was much better
17:30 fluffypony which was "lol funny joke"
17:30 mircea_popescu lol o i c, fluffy pony is less gay. right. what'd you drink, paint thinner ?
17:30 pankkake maybe in an ironic way
17:30 fluffypony till they started calling me fluffypony and FP in emails and at Friday afternoon drinks
17:30 fluffypony and it stuck
17:31 mircea_popescu well cool story brony.
17:31 mircea_popescu glad i asked.
17:31 fluffypony well it's better than some of my nicknames in the 90s
17:32 fluffypony I think I was death-0ver0rd on Dalnet for like a year
17:32 mircea_popescu artifexd fluffing is when a youngish girl that aspires to one day make money from porn tries her inept damdest to get up the overworked penis of some druggie pronstar guy
17:32 fluffypony *shudders*
17:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06750616 = 0.8101 BTC [-]
17:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC
17:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
17:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20086 @ 0.00097079 = 19.4993 BTC [-] {2}
17:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.00554001 = 0.1108 BTC [-]
17:48 jurov mrstickball, you can inquire Mr. Miquel J. Pavón Besalú for lulz if you want provided you publish the convo,
17:48 mircea_popescu http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2014/04/28/b-of-a-math-error-halts-dividend-increase/
17:48 ozbot B of A math error halts dividend increase | America's Markets
17:48 mircea_popescu check tghis shit out.
17:48 jurov i'll give you his addy
17:49 mrstickball do you know anything about him, or are you just asking me to PM him and post convo for lulz? jurov
17:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [-]
17:49 jurov he asked me to list HFLTC on coinbr
17:50 mrstickball Ahhh
17:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26247 @ 0.00097351 = 25.5517 BTC [+] {2}
17:51 mrstickball I saw that he was looking at listing on Coin Brouse, but was unsure how that interaction worked
17:51 jurov he is there
17:52 mrstickball so he wanted to use coinbr to get on mPEX?
17:53 jurov i preferred not to ask, sent him straight to read trilema
17:53 mrstickball I see
17:53 jurov that fell to deaf ears
17:54 mrstickball odd that he believes that he wants to invest as a hedge fund but not read up on exchanges..
17:55 mircea_popescu numerisTrade answered your comments.
17:57 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: are most romania young ladies hot?
17:57 thestringpuller seems like Romania is the new Brazil
17:58 mircea_popescu they're hungry and they walk a lot.
17:58 mircea_popescu it helps.
18:00 jurov !up ericmuyser
18:00 assbot Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
18:00 jurov !up jborkl
18:00 assbot Voicing jborkl for 30 minutes.
18:00 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
18:00 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24168916 BTC
18:00 mircea_popescu hey where's my 7% a week
18:00 mrstickball I thought Romania was the poor man's Poland, which is the poor man's GDR
18:01 jurov lol such stereotype heaping
18:01 thestringpuller did ReutersEmily ever make an mpex article?
18:01 mircea_popescu not afaik.
18:02 mircea_popescu i imagine if she did she'd have come back and dropped a line
18:04 thestringpuller I'm reading up on the march 21st logs, just wondering what came of the IRC interview.
18:06 benkay <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 doges << ftfy
18:06 benkay manul for atc mascot?
18:06 benkay !up blackwhite_
18:06 assbot Voicing blackwhite_ for 30 minutes.
18:06 mircea_popescu is it like an altcat ?
18:06 benkay better than a lolcat
18:07 benkay not quite the dragon of btc
18:07 mircea_popescu thestringpuller since then we've had another reuters chick recently
18:08 benkay was there a recursive bitbet recently?
18:08 thestringpuller are there logs there?
18:08 thestringpuller err
18:08 thestringpuller lemme just google
18:09 thestringpuller benkay: recursive bet?
18:09 benkay not necessarily recently
18:09 thestringpuller ;;gettrust Ukyo
18:09 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Ukyo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Ukyo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ukyo | Rated since: never
18:09 benkay something like 'this bet resolves as yes if there's more yes than no'
18:09 thestringpuller ;;gettrust utko
18:09 benkay more btc bet on yes i mean
18:09 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user utko: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=utko | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=utko | Rated since: never
18:09 thestringpuller ;;gettrust ukto
18:09 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user ukto: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=ukto | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ukto | Rated since: Wed Jun 15 00:24:56 2011
18:09 mircea_popescu ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "pura vida"
18:09 gribble #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>
18:09 fluffypony oh well that's helpful
18:09 fluffypony lol
18:09 mircea_popescu google is like a paragon of useless.
18:10 benkay submit to the personalization, mircea_popescu
18:10 mircea_popescu thestringpuller Apr 23 05:03:11
18:11 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: jesus google has gotten good meanwhile ?! << haha mircea_popescu has a love hate relationship with google
18:11 benkay <mike_c> sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends.
18:11 dub has s.mpif a blogsplanation?
18:11 mircea_popescu yeah. actual hate and ironic love.
18:11 benkay ;;google trilema wunderbar spif
18:11 gribble No matches found.
18:12 benkay ;;google trilema wunderbar mpif
18:12 mircea_popescu dub http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/
18:12 gribble The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>; Economic cycles finally explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/>; Gloria pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/gloria/>
18:12 mircea_popescu benkay weird how that works huh
18:12 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema wunderbar smpif
18:12 gribble The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>
18:12 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema smpif
18:12 gribble The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>
18:12 mircea_popescu ;;google smpif
18:12 gribble The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>; The Legend of Malin Kundang by Muthy - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IPjMv1Zef0>; PV#1 Light Novel Indonesia "TOP IDOL!" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DRKmyeXj6s>
18:12 dub oh yeah I think I read that after 24 hours travel
18:12 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/c30kXfU.jpg
18:14 thestringpuller AH one from Central mexico
18:14 benkay <fluffypony> I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company) << including you?
18:14 thestringpuller hahaha
18:14 fluffypony benkay: pretty much, I've never claimed to be beautiful
18:14 fluffypony my wife certainly didn't marry me for my looks
18:15 mircea_popescu the only thing about him is the way that he walks.
18:15 mircea_popescu he can't even dance.
18:15 fluffypony heh heh
18:15 fluffypony hot sun, beating down, burning my feet just walkin' around
18:16 mircea_popescu my black stony heart is so satisfied today.
18:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00445035 = 0.267 BTC [-]
18:16 thestringpuller so web of trust I think gets more accurate over time
18:16 mircea_popescu this romanian party, was ruling party. a year or so ago i quit, and quite publicly told them to either bring me the head of the then-president or else there will be no fucking party.
18:16 mircea_popescu they just split, lost the government, are probably going straight to the history books.
18:17 fluffypony poetic justice
18:17 mircea_popescu ah, the sweet pleasure of the utter destruction of schmucks that thought they knew better
18:18 mircea_popescu thestringpuller that'd be accurate
18:18 thestringpuller well i've been doing gettrust on known scammers
18:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03447 = 0.1724 BTC [+]
18:18 fluffypony BingoBoingo, moiety: http://i.imgur.com/mENwWpL.jpg
18:18 thestringpuller the WoT blatantly says "Nigga don't trust these guys"
18:19 mircea_popescu thestringpuller actually i would imagine its accuracy is a linear function of the average length of noncircular paths.
18:20 moiety fluffypony: aww! i wonder if they followed on land too!
18:20 thestringpuller hmm, paths that have definite endpoints?
18:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.00097011 = 12.8404 BTC [-] {2}
18:20 mircea_popescu moiety chicks only follow you the way they wanted to go anyway :D
18:20 fluffypony hah hah
18:20 mircea_popescu thestringpuller paths that include any given segment at most once
18:21 mircea_popescu (segment = direct path between two nodes)
18:21 thestringpuller Ah I see.
18:21 thestringpuller So that would mean the more connections the more accurate?
18:22 thestringpuller or would that just be a side-effect of what you're describing
18:22 mircea_popescu the "deeper" connections
18:22 moiety <mircea_popescu> my black stony heart is so satisfied today. << what did you eat?!
18:22 mircea_popescu pasta
18:22 moiety pasta is good for the soul :]
18:23 mircea_popescu i'm the grandmaster of white sauces.
18:23 asciilifeform anyone here own 'yubikey' ? got it to cough up its fw?
18:23 benkay !up blackwhite_
18:23 assbot Voicing blackwhite_ for 30 minutes.
18:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.unrest.ca/evaluating-the-security-of-the-yubikey
18:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: looks like it only mentions the server-end crap
18:25 artifexd asciilifeform: I have one that I'm willing to sacrifice to the cause but I have no idea how to do that.
18:25 mircea_popescu "- The Yubikey personalization app saves a .csv logfile with the programmed key values meaning a malware-based attack may discover the log files on block devices even when the files have been deleted"
18:25 artifexd I'd be willing to mail it to you if that would be useful.
18:26 mircea_popescu artifexd only after he finishes the cardano
18:26 asciilifeform artifexd: sadly, i'm otherwise occupied. but you are encouraged to do it yourself
18:26 asciilifeform note that yubi is braindamaged even if there is no obvious flaw in the hardware
18:26 asciilifeform (see log)
18:27 asciilifeform just boggles me mind that people swallow this shit.
18:27 moiety i think you should send me some sauce so i can test this statement mircea_popescu
18:28 mircea_popescu a no, gotta wear a steel collar to be tasting this thing.
18:28 kakobrekla asciilifeform its not like its cake or death dilemma
18:29 moiety i was shown those neokey things a while ago
18:29 asciilifeform 'we're all out of death, gonna have to be cake'
18:29 moiety lol fair enough mircea_popescu
18:29 fluffypony asciilifeform: he is by far my favourite comedian
18:31 benkay !up coingenuity
18:31 assbot Voicing coingenuity for 30 minutes.
18:31 benkay what's up coingenuity
18:31 benkay SUCH PUN
18:32 benkay !up mikaeldice
18:32 assbot Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
18:32 mikaeldice Hi benkay
18:33 benkay hi mikaeldice what's news?
18:33 mikaeldice Nothing new.. I've been wondering for a while if there is a better forum than bitcointalk, though.
18:34 benkay just irc
18:34 benkay the log
18:34 benkay and blogs
18:34 fluffypony bitcointa.lk is much better
18:34 mircea_popescu benkay that pun took me three passes.
18:35 benkay just another dumpun. don't break yourself.
18:36 thestringpuller :D
18:40 thestringpuller ;;seen alexsanjose
18:40 gribble alexsanjose was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <alexsanjose> if you come across in humans in Central America who have bitcoin gambling operations and they want to talk to a reporter, tell them i dont bite alexandra.alper@thomsonreuters.com
18:41 moiety i just realised i used later tell earlier probably wrongly because i was looking at the wrong part of the people list
18:41 mikaeldice I'd like to see bitcoin companies start using a more transparent accounting system that's more detailed than the blockchain. It wouldn't really cut down on fraud, but it might make the incompetent more noticeable and accountable.
18:42 mircea_popescu mikaeldice http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
18:43 fluffypony mikaeldice: they could just publish their monthlies and prove they have access to the funds they claim by sending it to a public address
18:44 mikaeldice Thanks, mircea_popescu, I've read that post before and enjoyed it.
18:44 mircea_popescu so then what are you talking about ?
18:44 benkay fluffypony: wouldn't simply signing with the addr key suffice?
18:44 mircea_popescu that's the accounting standard, bitcoin companies do use it, etc.
18:44 mikaeldice I was thinking more of an open ledger which automatically updates with expenditures from preset addresses. The user adds a justification, maybe associates an expense account to it
18:45 benkay sounds like a DAC
18:45 benkay burn it with fire
18:45 fluffypony benkay: they may move things around during the month for operational purposes (change addresses in a wallet etc.), so moving it into one address is a very quick operation
18:47 benkay fluffypony: what fraction of corporate funds are you expecting to be in hot storage?
18:47 fluffypony benkay: depends on the type of business
18:47 mircea_popescu why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea.
18:50 benkay girl is using the mini sledge to pulverize peanut brittle
18:51 thestringpuller why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea. << like when people try to put the square block into the circle hole?
18:51 mircea_popescu what';s a mini sledge ? like a mega peanut ?
18:51 mikaeldice Well, the problem is that things aren't getting done the right way. The system you outline in your website is a good one, but few people use it.
18:52 mircea_popescu mikaeldice all bitcoin corps use it, actually.
18:55 benkay !up mjr_
18:55 assbot Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
18:56 fluffypony mikaeldice: the reason it isn't being done isn't because it's complicated
18:56 mikaeldice Are you narrowly defining what a bitcoin corp is? Taking a look at the securities forum, it's almost not in use by most of the scams and incompetents there. When there is reporting, it's late and/or incomplete..
18:56 fluffypony it's not like if you create an easier system all the scams will be like "ohai, let's be legit!"
18:57 mikaeldice True, but the goal would be to generate red flags on incompetence more than anything
18:57 fluffypony mikaeldice: that would need to be done BEFORE investing
18:57 fluffypony mikaeldice: also, re: what is a "Bitcoin business" - http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/
18:58 mircea_popescu mikaeldice but the scams and incompetents aren't bitcoin corps. i mean it's like saying turbojet propulsion isn't used by model airplanes. sure.
18:58 mircea_popescu they're... not jets.
18:58 benkay mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/JuokHV6
18:58 mircea_popescu and so your goal is quite visible, isn't it.
18:58 mircea_popescu s/goal/flag
18:58 mikaeldice True
18:58 mircea_popescu benkay not bad!
18:59 benkay lol now she's complaining about the fact that i stole her beer
19:00 benkay told her 'when dinner's actually done then you can have a beer'
19:00 mircea_popescu you got a 70lb chick in the house that cooks with the use of a hammer and wants beer ?
19:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16627 @ 0.00097228 = 16.1661 BTC [+] {2}
19:01 * benkay waits for the punchline
19:02 mircea_popescu :D
19:02 benkay besides, who ever knows what they want.
19:04 BingoBoingo !up mikaeldice
19:04 assbot Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
19:07 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
19:08 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.43, vol: 19086.14496026 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 7481.73286 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 442.02, vol: 16133.4219149 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 14.56566507 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 430.757808, vol: 3683.01370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 446.18059, vol: 6.12265595 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.6492, vol: 112.2489882 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
19:08 BingoBoingo ;;more
19:08 gribble 439.460971498
19:08 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/28/the_fbi_arrests_new_york_congressman_michael_grimm_for_fraud_perjury.html
19:09 ozbot The FBI arrests New York Congressman Michael Grimm for fraud, perjury.
19:11 BingoBoingo http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-moment-a-mississippi-tv-station-evacuated-for-a-tor-1568929551/+barryap
19:11 ozbot The Moment A Mississippi TV Station Evacuated For A Tornado
19:14 BingoBoingo I throw that out, because the storm sirens are engaged.
19:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4173 @ 0.00097487 = 4.0681 BTC [+]
19:16 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: srs question for you
19:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00461057 = 0.4564 BTC [+] {2}
19:17 thestringpuller oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip
19:18 mircea_popescu cc.
19:18 mircea_popescu WITH raisins.
19:20 benkay ;;gettrust assbot ericmuyser
19:20 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul 1 01:35:49 2013
19:20 benkay !up ericmuyser
19:20 assbot Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
19:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
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19:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10140 @ 0.00096981 = 9.8339 BTC [-]
19:39 jurov !up mikaeldice
19:39 assbot Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
19:40 moiety white chocolate chip and cashew nut cookies ftw
19:40 pankkake ew
19:40 fluffypony here is a present for hipsters
19:40 fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-29/
19:41 moiety lub lub lub
19:41 fluffypony and with that I go sleep
19:41 asciilifeform 'congressman can also have problems.'
19:42 pankkake nice
19:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17860 @ 0.00096934 = 17.3124 BTC [-]
19:46 moiety omg look what i just saw!! Here he is again! http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2012/12/baby-turtle-eats-strawberry1.jpg
19:49 asciilifeform grimm is a textbook case of 'can also have problems.'
19:50 asciilifeform we are, of course, unlikely to learn what it was he refused to play ball with. because people having problems can also have problems.
19:52 thestringpuller that's pretty deep
19:52 BingoBoingo problems beget further problems
19:52 thestringpuller "because people having problems can also have problems"
19:56 kakobrekla >>The Mcdonalds of webcam based adult entertainment is my goal.. And I will keep working at it until I achieve it!
19:57 benkay kakobrekla: whassat?
19:57 kakobrekla forum
19:58 mikaeldice I wonder why he needs a whole franchise when a single site would be sufficient..
19:59 mikaeldice I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well
20:00 kakobrekla im not sure he knows mcd is a franchise
20:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0400041 = 0.2 BTC [-]
20:09 benkay !up dR3___
20:09 assbot Voicing dR3___ for 30 minutes.
20:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]
20:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.034 = 0.34 BTC [-]
20:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0400041 = 0.2 BTC [-]
20:09 jurov behold: http://live.coinbr.com/images/manulcoin-fs8.png
20:09 benkay i dunno why anyone would be going for mcdonald's when there are mircea_popescu's out there
20:09 benkay "buttcoin", etc.
20:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.04000038 = 0.84 BTC [-] {6}
20:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.0742218 = 1.1875 BTC [-]
20:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0339957 = 0.5439 BTC [-] {2}
20:10 jurov ;;later tell ThickAsThieves http://live.coinbr.com/images/manulcoin-fs8.png
20:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00445662 = 0.2228 BTC [-]
20:14 jurov moiety: wanba be The Real Manulcoin ambassador?
20:14 pankkake you mine it with Proof of Cuteness?
20:15 jurov yes, every block must contain cute kitty
20:16 pankkake reminds me of http://th05.deviantart.net/fs22/PRE/f/2008/002/5/e/Songs_about_my_cats_by_Sasolits.jpg
20:16 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: a.k.a. crypto-virology, a fairly well-studied problem that primarily (imo) affects closed-source crypto products.
20:18 jurov yea, crypto-virology affects products, crypto-virus people
20:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00097488 = 35.8756 BTC [+] {3}
20:19 moiety jurov: im all for anything manul!
20:19 moiety paper wallets would come pre-shredded tho
20:20 pankkake I only know about crypto-fascism
20:20 thestringpuller ;;bash
20:20 gribble Error: "bash" is not a valid command.
20:20 thestringpuller ;;ls
20:20 gribble What do you think I am, a shell?
20:20 thestringpuller ;;dir
20:20 gribble Error: "dir" is not a valid command.
20:20 moiety pankkake: if you can find an elusive manul block, it'd probably kill your hardware
20:20 thestringpuller ;;cd
20:20 gribble Error: "cd" is not a valid command.
20:21 moiety ;; dvd
20:21 gribble Error: "dvd" is not a valid command.
20:21 moiety aw
20:23 BingoBoingo ;;rm / -r -f
20:23 gribble Error: "rm" is not a valid command.
20:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 106 @ 0.001 = 0.106 BTC {2}
20:32 mircea_popescu benkay wait wut
20:33 mircea_popescu mikaeldice: I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well << not a half bad idea.
20:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00097178 = 8.1144 BTC [-]
20:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
20:36 benkay mircea_popescu: why chase pennies from paupers when there are guys out there willing to spend single-digit integer fractions of btc for tits?
20:36 benkay !up sunshynez
20:36 assbot Voicing sunshynez for 30 minutes.
20:36 benkay !up skllzdatklls
20:36 assbot Voicing skllzdatklls for 30 minutes.
20:36 benkay hello y'all
20:38 mircea_popescu kakobrekla : http://bitbet.us/bet/600/tradefortress-arrested/#c2860 spammers can't 3forsex.
20:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, the ny mayor is now communist, that guy is teaparty.
20:38 mircea_popescu !up skllzdatklls
20:38 assbot Voice for skllzdatklls extended to 30 minutes.
20:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 320 @ 0.00446071 = 1.4274 BTC [+] {9}
20:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00439967 = 0.352 BTC [-] {4}
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21:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00097226 = 21.8759 BTC [+] {2}
21:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
21:09 mircea_popescu http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/04/29/accounting-for-the-amazing-company-the-bitcointalk-standard/
21:09 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
21:09 mircea_popescu lol
21:09 ozbot Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake
21:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00097581 = 28.9816 BTC [+] {2}
21:10 pankkake this was inspired by irc of course
21:11 mircea_popescu i like the part where you actually use the rfc ~may~ etc conventions
21:11 mircea_popescu plan may consists of acc
21:11 pankkake eheh
21:11 mircea_popescu spurious s
21:12 pankkake I'm bad with s. even in French
21:12 mircea_popescu which was rightfully kept secret s/rightfully/judiciously/ ?
21:13 pankkake yes, better. the second consists should have a s though?
21:13 mircea_popescu yes.
21:13 mircea_popescu if subject is singular verb takes s. if plural, not.
21:14 mircea_popescu niggers come, nigger comes.
21:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00457531 = 0.183 BTC [+]
21:14 kakobrekla mircea_popescu what is this even
21:14 pankkake while I should know that simple rule, it just doesn't stick
21:14 mircea_popescu kakobrekla this.
21:14 mircea_popescu help me help you :D
21:15 kakobrekla okay.
21:18 peterl mircea_popescu: mpex.co still lists S.MPIF as upcoming, shouldn't that be removed now that there is a link to F.MPIF in the "funds" section?
21:19 mike_c there is going to be a stock that tracks the fund that tracks the bitcoin economy as a whole.
21:20 mike_c this will in no way create a black hole that takes all ur coinz.
21:21 mike_c or maybe it will.
21:22 moiety lmfao at W.3 pankkake :]
21:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.04000012 = 1.8 BTC [-] {3}
21:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04000002 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}
21:27 decimation asciilifeform: I think the RSA keyfob hack demonstrates your point about yubikey perfectly
21:28 asciilifeform decimation: wanna try a real mindfuck?
21:28 mike_c ah, the forum is just not worth reading without mpoe-pr. "On average your investment of one BTC on that platform will have yielded about 0 BTC (dividends included) by Autumn."
21:28 asciilifeform decimation: rsa fob is still mandatory in usg, megacorps...
21:28 decimation how is that possibly in their interests?
21:28 asciilifeform decimation: bob can fuck ten thousand goats, and he's still bob the bridge-builder.
21:29 decimation right, but bridges still need to be built
21:29 asciilifeform if you can understand how this works, you understand usa.
21:29 decimation I guess if bob can convince people that his goat orgy is a secure bridge, then he's good to go
21:29 asciilifeform bridges still need to be built << nah, we can cross the water on dead goats.
21:29 decimation lol
21:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097132 = 4.8566 BTC [-]
21:29 decimation apparently most folks can't tell the difference between a bridge and a pile of raped goats anyway
21:30 decimation still; why would someone like yubikey watch bob and say "I want me some of that?"
21:30 asciilifeform if you want a quasi-rational understanding of this crap, realize that rsa corp. actually sells
21:30 asciilifeform (theatre)
21:31 decimation the mind reels
21:31 asciilifeform man never really moved 'beyond' what archaeologists call 'sympathetic magic' (as in 'voodoo doll')
21:31 mircea_popescu peterl yeah.
21:31 asciilifeform eat the heart of a lion for courage, of hyena for endurance, etc.
21:31 asciilifeform eat an rsa fob for seekoority.
21:31 peterl anybody want to speculate: will MPIF be actively traded like MPOE, or will it be a snoozer like the other stocks on mpex?
21:32 decimation even the supposed security priests tell the people this
21:32 asciilifeform bon apetit.
21:32 mircea_popescu dead goats swell up if submerged.
21:32 asciilifeform pontoon!
21:32 decimation DId you ever read Asimov's Foundation? The part about the tech-men?
21:32 asciilifeform sure.
21:32 mircea_popescu peterl kinda curious myself.
21:33 decimation http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/liberalism-schafft-sich-ab/ handle explains this stuff pretty well here
21:33 ozbot Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus
21:34 asciilifeform recently had occasion to meet herr handle, who wore his medals
21:34 asciilifeform there was one with an md5 hash
21:34 decimation heh I wish I could have met him in person. perhaps one day I shall
21:34 asciilifeform (he lives not far away)
21:35 mircea_popescu handle is a pretty good handle.
21:35 decimation The Law Of Merited Impossibility is an epistemological construct governing the paradoxical way overclass opinion makers frame the discourse about the clash between religious liberty and gay civil rights. It is best summed up by the phrase, ?It?s a complete absurdity to believe that Christians will suffer a single thing from the expansion of gay rights, and boy, do they deserve what they?re going to get.?
21:35 asciilifeform his tale, people were always saying to him 'get a fscking handle'
21:35 asciilifeform so he... did.
21:36 decimation It's not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it.
21:36 mircea_popescu how is "christians" a thing even. the us is mostly neoprotestants,
21:36 mircea_popescu and the silliest sects too.
21:36 decimation Yes, read about the postmillenals some time
21:36 decimation and the dispensationalists
21:37 mircea_popescu these are christians in the sense penguins are awks.
21:37 peterl self-identified christians ... reminds me of self-identified "investors"
21:37 decimation One could argue that they are mostly in the "big tent (john 3:16)" but any of the ancient fathers would have turned them over to be flogged
21:39 artifexd Anyone in here actually use coinbr and would recommend it?
21:39 peterl I use coinbr
21:39 asciilifeform flogged! hah, flayed.
21:39 peterl seems to work nicely
21:39 artifexd ;;gettrust peterl
21:39 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask peterl!~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user artifexd to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=artifexd&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
21:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.00999996 = 0.17 BTC [+]
21:39 BingoBoingo artifexd: It's a nice thing for using MPEx as a consumer
21:40 decimation ascii did you evern meet that "nydwracu" guy in your DC travels? I think he went to college park
21:40 asciilifeform decimation: sure.
21:40 asciilifeform decimation: met him at a party once.
21:40 decimation he is among the most impressive bloggers I have read
21:41 asciilifeform decimation: i sorta got bored with the moldbugista folks
21:41 artifexd The monthly fee bothered me until I realized that it would take over 130 years for that fee to equal the MPEx entry fee.
21:41 decimation yeah, but he's among the few of them that has original thoughts
21:42 asciilifeform decimation: they remind me of the soviet-era 'kitchen dissidents.' yeah, let's sit around and chat about how much brezhnev sucks.
21:42 asciilifeform what a thrill.
21:43 mircea_popescu decimation the way it works, as far as the orthodox tradition is concerned, catholicism is a bunch of ridiculous simplifications and barbaric nonsense.
21:43 decimation I think you are doing more about the situation than most
21:43 mircea_popescu you can imagine how calvinism looks
21:43 peterl artifexed: and the mpex entry fee trends upward, while the coinbr fee trends downward
21:43 mircea_popescu !up toddf
21:43 assbot Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.
21:43 asciilifeform decimation: i'm a believer in 'propaganda by the deed'
21:43 asciilifeform 'if not you then who, if not now, then when...' etc
21:44 decimation as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG
21:44 artifexd peterl How does that work? The MPEx fee is/was/will be 30btc, right? Has the coinbr fee changed over time?
21:44 mircea_popescu peterl given that theres so much info available about how the various pcs are doing, i imagine there should be some lively trading going on
21:44 asciilifeform decimation: mr. m sold his arse to the vc circus
21:44 asciilifeform so his opinions can no longer be regarded as his own
21:44 peterl mpex fee startd at free, then it was 20, now 30. coinbr used to cost more per month
21:44 asciilifeform sorta like losing sole control of one's priv key
21:44 decimation yeah. haven't heard much about his little navy recently
21:45 artifexd mircea_popescu: Do you expect to increase the fee again?
21:45 asciilifeform it's still there, pumping valiantly to stay above waterline.
21:45 mircea_popescu artifexd yes.
21:45 asciilifeform i sold me moldboat for scrap iron, but still check on them occasionally.
21:45 peterl mircea_popescu: having somebody actively market making for the fund should also encourage lively trading, I think
21:46 mircea_popescu maybe yea
21:46 decimation yeah I saw that. I think you profited on the deal
21:46 asciilifeform lol
21:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00097617 = 12.3974 BTC [+] {2}
21:47 decimation for a few days I entertained the idea of learning his crazy rune language
21:47 decimation I realized that learning emacs/lisp/forth would be much more profitable
21:47 asciilifeform i swallowed all of that crud whole, as it came out of the arse! who's gonna pay that back.
21:47 asciilifeform but hey, cost of doing business.
21:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the story of the woman and the soap ?
21:48 asciilifeform ?
21:48 mircea_popescu at this ranch in new mexico, a very old mexican man with a very young and incredibly slutty wife lived.
21:48 decimation yeah one of the unfortunate features of modern electrical engineering is that you find you often invest your soul only to get chickenfeed in return
21:48 mircea_popescu everyone fucked her, all the cowboys, all the farm hands...
21:49 mircea_popescu one day the rancher takes the old guy aside and points out to him that the woman is a paragon of indiscretion, with all the discretion and awkward shyness you'd expect out of a true blue american.
21:49 mircea_popescu the old man is a little amused. "so what of it ? you think cunt is made of soap, to run out with use ?"
21:50 mircea_popescu heads are cunts, swallowing shit whole doesn't hurt them any,
21:50 mircea_popescu provided the stuff finds its way out too.
21:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's a soviet variant, where the 'horned man', an old army officer, answers 'better to eat honey in company than - shit, by one's lonesome'
21:50 decimation except, there are only so many minutes in one's life
21:50 mircea_popescu decimation so you saving yours for later ?
21:50 decimation that's a fair point
21:51 mircea_popescu hehe i'm grateful for not having to explain it.
21:51 decimation I guess it's better to have learned and lost than never to have known at all
21:51 asciilifeform at any rate, the hilariously funny bit about urbit is that mr. m wrote volumes condemning american academia, pseudo-mathematics in algorithmics, etc. - and then proceeded to crap out a widget emblematic of same.
21:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, all women currently hated by their daughters for being insufferable
21:52 mircea_popescu were daughters hating their mothers for being insufferable
21:52 asciilifeform lol
21:52 mircea_popescu and, of course, swearing to do so much better.
21:52 mircea_popescu which was, obviously, quite an easy task, too.
21:53 asciilifeform 'immutable data,' 'strong typing,' etc. - all crud invented by mathemasturbators in their efforts to pretend that they are proving theorems
21:53 mircea_popescu it's only the insufferably devilish nature of the mothers that ruined it, otherwise being cool is straightforward.
21:55 mircea_popescu "When people’s lives and careers are subject to litmus tests, and fired if they do not publicly renounce what may well be their sincere conviction, we have crossed a line. This is McCarthyism applied by civil actors. "
21:55 mircea_popescu i recall this exact derpage published by... whatever, some libertard legal blog.
21:55 mircea_popescu "o, speech has consequences".
21:55 asciilifeform mr m & co got a few $mil from vc. i admit that i check back on these folks only in hope of being the first to see when they get sued by a 'diversity' werker for strong typing systems being sexist or whatnot.
21:56 mircea_popescu by the way, did you hear about the renaming of semesters at mit ?
21:56 asciilifeform !?
21:56 mircea_popescu turns out semesters are sexist
21:56 mircea_popescu shall be ovesters henceforth.
21:57 asciilifeform these folks have sailed over the 'parody horizon' long ago - anything's possible.
21:57 asciilifeform laugh now - cry later
21:58 asciilifeform '1' is a phallic symbol! henceforth, only '0' is permitted.
21:59 mircea_popescu balanced ternary. because lezzies are 10x more likely to live threesomes than heterosexual scum
21:59 pankkake unless you have a font with a slashed zero…
21:59 mircea_popescu (.) and (|) will be the new digits.
22:02 BingoBoingo !up Mats_cd03
22:02 assbot Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
22:02 decimation speaking of "diversity" worker: http://today.duke.edu/2014/03/tybt
22:02 decimation "But as the campaign has gained national popularity, its detractors have bristled at the effort, calling it a politically correct war on words that will stifle free speech and suggesting its true aim is to redefine terms to control public opinion and ? ultimately ? public policy."
22:02 thestringpuller ;;seen mod6
22:02 gribble mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> %diff
22:03 thestringpuller %diff
22:03 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 170342.17 in 1921 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -62.59
22:05 mod6 what's up thestringpuller
22:05 mircea_popescu "It’s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it."
22:05 mircea_popescu he means, of course, "It’s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will have deserved it."
22:05 mircea_popescu why is grammar a lost art!
22:06 decimation because students were insufficiently punished in school for using poor grammar
22:06 decimation I actually quoted the above from this link: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/17212/
22:10 * mircea_popescu feels so nice and cozy in his nicely built brick housy. just like a piggy
22:10 decimation I think future historians will call this era "the golden age of mendacity"
22:10 * BingoBoingo is simply happy the tornados spared this house today
22:11 decimation in the US it is customary to make a house out of the cheapest materials available, on the smallest possible lot (to maximize the builder's profit)
22:11 mircea_popescu ah, to be rich, and powerful, and say nigger faggot whenever one feels like.
22:11 mircea_popescu you know... i may be the only one.
22:12 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/04/donald_sterling_racism_why_the_los_angeles_clippers_need_to_boycott_their.html
22:12 ozbot Donald Sterling racism: Why the Los Angeles Clippers need to boycott their next playoff game.
22:12 mircea_popescu lol
22:12 mircea_popescu http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/liberalism-schafft-sich-ab/#comment-3630 << i mean check out this shit.
22:12 ozbot Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus
22:12 mircea_popescu it's beyond contemptible.
22:13 mircea_popescu "I think that this agreement, were it feasible, would benefit all concerned."
22:13 mircea_popescu guy's simply managed to persuade me that he should indeed be lynched.
22:14 decimation yeah I couldn't figure out wtf he was on about
22:15 mircea_popescu <decimation> as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG <<< that sorta thing.
22:15 decimation "land of the free" indeed
22:15 mircea_popescu in general by examining the reality in the field, rather than whatever naive theories of the eager teenagers, one dicovers the opressed generally deserve it.
22:16 decimation most of the elite are busy binding the next generation while they fail to reproduce
22:17 decimation at the heart of the progressive religion is a great desire to cut loose the straps that bind the devil
22:17 decimation all in the name of freedom, liberation, and enlightenment
22:18 mircea_popescu i kinda appreciate the sentiment tbh. let the devil be free.
22:18 decimation well, there is certainly wisdom in giving people exactly what they want
22:19 decimation as punishment
22:19 mircea_popescu generally, devils are a lot more fun than the pompous idiots cutting them free.
22:20 BingoBoingo Who really wants to go to heaven if you have to live like a Saint while there?
22:20 mircea_popescu exactly.
22:20 mircea_popescu course, this may be a bitch for anyone trying to raise children or you know, live the life of X.
22:20 mircea_popescu but hey. life's supposed to be interesting not satisfactory.
22:21 decimation your orthodox fathers would certainly endorse that sentiment
22:22 mircea_popescu moreover, all this obsessive, controlling shit...
22:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0045299 = 0.1812 BTC [-]
22:22 mircea_popescu humans are supposed to watch half their litter impaled before their very eyes, not to pester them to death with vaporub.
22:22 mircea_popescu in short, things are going well, for any natural definition of "well".
22:24 asciilifeform in the words of a recent u.s. presidential candidate, 'don't impeach - impale.'
22:24 decimation there is no doubt that the west suffers because of its freedom from want
22:26 BingoBoingo decimation: Not freedom from want, freedom from intelligible want.
22:27 decimation well, I mean "want" as in "want of the actual necessities of life"
22:27 mircea_popescu yeah i was thinking, they want aplenty, it's just they never actually confront it.
22:27 mircea_popescu this pretense of wantlessness is lulzy.
22:28 mircea_popescu decimation yes. actual necessities. such as food, as opposed to fast food.
22:28 mircea_popescu !up go1111111
22:28 assbot Voicing go1111111 for 30 minutes.
22:28 mircea_popescu such as living space as opposed to... whatever.
22:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2014#646935 < there. health care.
22:29 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
22:30 asciilifeform 'eat recycled food. it's good for the environment, and ok for you!'
22:30 mircea_popescu i actually talked it over with a couple of people over lunch. it's our considered opinion that the difference between the us and the ro health care systems can be distilled in one very simple point :
22:31 mircea_popescu romania does not admit tort proceedings for unrealised damages.
22:31 mircea_popescu that's it.
22:31 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw95c75g7o
22:31 ozbot Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life --- (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube
22:31 mircea_popescu unless you can bring a bill of sale showing your eye is worth $100, you can't get $100 for your eye. and that's that.
22:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.00999996 = 0.14 BTC [+]
22:31 decimation yeah the "insurance" doctors in the us must carry against unrealized damage claims is an incredible tax
22:31 mircea_popescu amusingly, it has exactly zero to do with doctors, hospitals or budgets.
22:32 mircea_popescu which is why the entire mess is so difficult to fix : like one of those old products of mad artisanry, nothing works as intended, everything's tied up in unrelated parts.
22:32 mircea_popescu if the us were a program, it'd be discarded as unmaintainable.
22:33 decimation http://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/corrective-glossary/ health care: any arrangement with a corporation in which you send money to them monthly and they sent you a brochure at the beginning, but may or may not pay you anything in return; e.g. ?With Obamacare at least I have health care?
22:33 ozbot Corrective glossary | Rhymes With Cars & Girls
22:33 asciilifeform paging herr orlov,
22:33 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunger-insurance.html
22:33 ozbot ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance
22:33 mircea_popescu such a stupid name, too. where were all the branding experts ?
22:34 mircea_popescu it'll turn into "obama doesn't care" in short order.
22:34 mircea_popescu why expose yourself so. i'd have never ok'd that stupid shit.
22:34 mircea_popescu i'll make mpex and mpif, not mpcare.
22:34 decimation "healthcare (alt.): birth-control pills and/or rubbers"
22:35 BingoBoingo The complexity of healthcare billing in the US adds a whole new layer of hell.
22:37 mircea_popescu "To be perfectly honest, those jobs are reserved for my children, but yours might still be able to find work as their personal bathroom assistants, if they are docile and pretty... let's pretend you didn't hear that."
22:37 mircea_popescu is this supposed to be some sort of dirty secret or something ?
22:37 mircea_popescu obviously. docile and pretty or starve. what of it.
22:38 decimation there is little doubt that the Augean Stables of the west are piled with mountains of horse shit. who is going to wash them clean?
22:38 mircea_popescu decimation james guy, quoted earlier.
22:40 mircea_popescu anyway, enough philosophy for one night. later all!
22:41 decimation he had a blog for awhile but it appears it was taken over by scammers: https://web.archive.org/web/20120717073425/http://james-g.com/
22:52 decimation asciilifeform: had to switch to 4-layer. << did you do your own layout or did you hire that out?
22:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
22:58 benkay "unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'?
22:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 680 @ 0.001 = 0.68 BTC
23:03 decimation benkay: don't forget that the lawyers get a big cut of the 100B
23:05 benkay decimation: driving more tort suits?
23:05 decimation loltron: http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_quarterly/NSA_Culture.pdf : "NSA will undoubtly have to keep staying agile, valuing qualifications (even if on paper), speed, productivity and decisiveness, while acknowledging the need for accuracy, expertise and informed decisions."
23:06 decimation sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing"
23:07 asciilifeform decimation: 100% hand
23:08 asciilifeform did you hire that out << must be joking
23:08 decimation hehe I figured not
23:09 decimation what software did you use for the design? your choice is either crap open source or crap $$$
23:09 asciilifeform combination of both
23:10 decimation years ago I did some hand routing with orcad. It made me feel like a money trapped in a traveling salesman's trunk
23:10 decimation s/money/monkey/
23:11 asciilifeform i've yet to meet an autorouter 'worth the electrons it's printed on'
23:11 asciilifeform but perhaps this is because i don't do winblows
23:12 decimation weirdly all of the "good" EE design packages are winblows only
23:12 decimation there is a weird divorce in culture between EE's who build hardware and EE's who touch software
23:12 asciilifeform it was never entirely clear to me what makes these 'good'
23:13 asciilifeform well ok, they'll calculate meanders for HF circuits.
23:13 asciilifeform whooptydoo
23:15 decimation ascii have you ever used 'qucs'? I played with it a little bit and found it to be pretty neat
23:15 asciilifeform decimation: sure
23:16 asciilifeform the only weirdo analogue piece in my current work is the rng, and, as you might expect, it doesn't simulate.
23:16 decimation yeah I would think not
23:17 asciilifeform (well, technically, sure it does. but to no useful end)
23:17 decimation I assume that you aren't clocking the thing very high either?
23:17 asciilifeform nope.
23:17 asciilifeform what'd be the point
23:19 decimation there would be no point, other than to make yourself work harder
23:20 decimation http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/greg/WP002-100405-energycons.pdf Greenarrays has an app note: how to emulate a C machine on top of your asynchronous stack machines
23:23 asciilifeform folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed.
23:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00456341 = 0.1369 BTC [+]
23:27 decimation apparently it is popular to prototype the greenarrays chips on a "schmart board": http://www.schmartboard.com/
23:27 decimation basically you tack the qfn down and then use a really fine tipped soldering iron to "push" the solder in little grooves up under the chip
23:27 asciilifeform one day i'll actually get a hold of a greenarrays
23:27 decimation supposedly it works, but it sounds a little hokey to me
23:27 asciilifeform decimation: generally i do paste+reflow
23:28 decimation yeah that sounds much simpler
23:28 decimation that usually implies some cleanup too, but if you have a well-made board with good mask and clean contacts you are usually okay (surface tension of liquid metal is miraculous)
23:29 asciilifeform mask, gold contacts.
23:34 asciilifeform one can apply paste with stencil, or with pump, or even... toothpick. but this subject is beaten to death elsewhere.
23:35 asciilifeform (chinese paste pump, about 100 usd)
23:37 decimation I used a syringe, but it got really messy
23:38 asciilifeform paste pump consists of the very same syringe, but farts out puffs of air of controlled volume
23:38 asciilifeform (in place of plunger)
23:38 decimation so you get a little blob instead?
23:38 asciilifeform correct
23:39 asciilifeform little box, control dial, pedal, two hoses (one to compressor, one to syringe)
23:39 decimation sounds legit. so you have a hot air rework station too I presume?
23:39 asciilifeform sure
23:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15551 @ 0.00097132 = 15.105 BTC [-]
23:43 asciilifeform a hot air tube is
23:43 asciilifeform 'nt terribly good for reflow, though
23:44 asciilifeform i use an ordinary electric hob.
23:44 asciilifeform (plus ir thermometer)
23:45 asciilifeform steel anvil as heat spreader
23:45 decimation what about the traditional modifed toaster oven?
23:45 asciilifeform but, there is no shortage of material re: how to do this.
23:45 asciilifeform decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat.
23:46 asciilifeform generally, when making a few prototypes of something, simple tools suffice.
23:47 decimation yeah I think the electric hob would give more control anyway
23:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00096946 = 13.2816 BTC [-] {2}
23:52 benkay !up the20year1
23:52 assbot Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes.
23:53 the20year1 yay
23:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.00999996 = 0.17 BTC [+]
23:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0775 = 0.155 BTC [+] {2}
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