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00:01	bitcoinpete	never a dull moment
00:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12267 @ 0.00095132 = 11.6698 BTC [-] {2}
00:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62105 = 1.2421 BTC [+] {2}
00:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62016666 = 3.721 BTC [-] {2}
00:17	jayk_	http://imgur.com/gallery/NgX75
00:17	ozbot	Smartass kid test answers - Imgur
00:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.61479598 = 15.3699 BTC [-] {6}
00:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0560001 = 0.112 BTC [-]
00:34	MisterE	yea glad I jumped out yesterday despite booking minor loss
00:34	MisterE	I'll coin up by getting in lower now
00:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00094827 = 11.8534 BTC [-]
00:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20572 @ 0.00094771 = 19.4963 BTC [-] {2}
00:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17378 @ 0.00094418 = 16.408 BTC [-]
00:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20725 @ 0.00095157 = 19.7213 BTC [+] {2}
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61 = 4.27 BTC [-] {2}
00:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.605 = 1.815 BTC [-]
00:51	benkay	pankkake: what was dotcoin's operation that did the forced buyback list their 'asset'?
00:51	benkay	on what 'exchange' did dotcoin issue the paper he later did the forced buyback on?
00:52	pankkake	I don't know much besides https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.0 and him doing an IPO every other week
00:52	pankkake	not sure it always cryptostocks, maybe sometimes direct
00:57	benkay	;;gettrust bitcoinpete
00:57	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014
00:58	bitcoinpete	;;ident bitcoinpete
00:58	gribble	Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
01:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11037 @ 0.00095263 = 10.5142 BTC [+]
01:05	MisterE	;;ident MisterE
01:05	gribble	Nick 'MisterE', with hostmask 'MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere', is not identified.
01:05	MisterE	I should make a join command to ident
01:05	benkay	ident party
01:06	benkay	join command MisterE ?
01:08	MisterE	Server connection commands is a better term... My client can perform functions when connecting to a network like i have it set up to auth with some bots that control channel access so I dont have to mess with it each time I connect.
01:08	MisterE	I could do something like that with gribble
01:10	kakobrekla	;;later tell mike_c spam got in your blogs comments
01:10	gribble	The operation succeeded.
01:10	MisterE	/quote PRIVMSG is a great thing
01:11	kakobrekla	i want to take the credit :D
01:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1672 @ 0.00094418 = 1.5787 BTC [-]
01:11	MisterE	damn that spam is always triggering please moderate...
01:11	MisterE	hate that
01:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.0009429 = 6.1289 BTC [-]
01:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00094337 = 8.962 BTC [+]
01:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00094265 = 14.941 BTC [-] {3}
01:20	benkay	dunno MisterE automating gpg sounds like a recipe for disaster
01:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
01:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.0009425 = 20.0753 BTC [-] {2}
01:20	MisterE	yea just the auth request part
01:21	MisterE	I just need a prompt to do it each day really
01:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4931 @ 0.00094337 = 4.6518 BTC [+]
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02:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00094512 = 18.5716 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 15 minutes ~
02:19	benkay	;;ticker
02:19	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 439.79, Best ask: 440.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.55000, Last trade: 439.79, 24 hour volume: 36193.72912515, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 489.87, 24 hour vwap: 456.659521246
02:30	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
02:31	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 442.64, vol: 36210.30507710 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 450.44, vol: 36884.49387 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.7999, vol: 36343.85160144 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 456.69, vol: 169.3328953 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 436.83164, vol: 6226.31680000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.0, vol: 35.89071301 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 508.824, vol: 221.6968638 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
02:31	BingoBoingo	;;more
02:31	gribble	445.318033737
02:31	benkay	helluva power law on the volume
02:32	benkay	bitstamp 36k
02:32	benkay	o wait this is not sorted by vol
02:32	benkay	nanotube: what would be the implications of sorting gribble market output by exchange volume?
02:33	benkay	;;later tell mircea_popescu what would be the implications of sorting gribble market output by exchange volume?
02:33	gribble	The operation succeeded.
02:33	benkay	horrible idea?
02:34	BingoBoingo	benkay: Prolly not a bad one
02:34	benkay	i've probly had worse
02:34	kakobrekla	kraken whole 35btc worth eh.
02:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00094899 = 13.9502 BTC [+] {2}
02:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 923 @ 0.00094955 = 0.8764 BTC [+]
02:38	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: I'll take one of those wiki logins, plz
02:40	kakobrekla	pm
02:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.056 = 0.336 BTC [-] {2}
02:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7632 @ 0.00095483 = 7.2873 BTC [+] {2}
03:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5910375 = 4.7283 BTC [-] {3}
03:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05737336 = 0.1147 BTC [+] {2}
03:11	moiety_	kakobrekla: a wiki? :D if you want me to proof it periodically, or anything else, send me a log in too :)
03:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
03:16	moiety_	lol @ "too honest for a sgady logo"
03:16	moiety_	shady*
03:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.590003 = 3.54 BTC [-]
03:21	kakobrekla	sure, pm
03:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00095108 = 16.0257 BTC [-] {3}
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03:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00603211 = 0.5972 BTC [-] {6}
03:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00095074 = 16.638 BTC [-] {2}
03:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00094565 = 19.0076 BTC [-] {2}
04:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62613079 BTC [+]
04:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.10144642 = 1.826 BTC [-]
04:05	Namworld	okay, seriously... I'm not registering, NYtime, to view an article
04:06	Namworld	All those news link block reading till you register. It's free, so why even ask for registration.
04:10	antephialtic	interesting to see the neo&bee scam finally implode
04:11	antephialtic	though I think this will be bad for BTC stocks in general - this was a fairly elaborate scam, and many will probably not trust btc denominated investments for a long time
04:13	kakobrekla	just FYI
04:13	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3105046#msg3105046
04:13	ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
04:14	kakobrekla	so, first.
04:14	antephialtic	I didn't invest, even if it wasn't a scam, it was a pretty bad business plan
04:14	antephialtic	since 99% of their accounts were denominated in euros, they were hugely exposed to the price of BTC
04:15	antephialtic	investing in neo was basically a highly leveraged bet on the price of BTC itself, with the risks completely outweighing any possible benefits - assuming the business was completely legitimate
04:15	antephialtic	which, seemingly is not the case
04:16	kakobrekla	the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland
04:17	antephialtic	lesson: people are stupid
04:18	antephialtic	and bitcoin seems to attract people that are exceptionally stupid.
04:18	kakobrekla	interestingly enough the conviction 2 years ago was exactly the opposite
04:19	antephialtic	yeah, well all those people sold at $1200 to the new batch of morons
04:19	kakobrekla	i didnt
04:23	Namworld	That's not okay, kakobrekla. You should have sold all at $1200 to rebuy later.
04:23	Namworld	"Hindsight and time-machine required"
04:25	kakobrekla	too much counter party risk
04:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.00094987 = 9.7143 BTC [+]
04:37	VanCleef	kakobrekla you blew it
04:37	VanCleef	could have easily doubled up by now
04:38	kakobrekla	mhm
04:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00094905 = 10.5819 BTC [-] {2}
04:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00094885 = 10.0104 BTC [-]
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05:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095209 = 3.5703 BTC [+]
05:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30037 @ 0.00094885 = 28.5006 BTC [-] {2}
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05:35	cazalla	Bitcoin price above $1000 before April - damn, did i get this bet wrong
05:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00094645 = 16.9415 BTC [-]
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06:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6625 @ 0.00094552 = 6.2641 BTC [-]
06:03	random_cat	some hours remain :D
06:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16152 @ 0.0009447 = 15.2588 BTC [-]
06:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13318 @ 0.00094474 = 12.582 BTC [+] {2}
06:23	moiety	<Namworld> "Hindsight and time-machine required" << lolol where can i get these?!
06:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00094898 = 20.8301 BTC [+] {2}
06:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04688799 = 0.1407 BTC [+]
		~ 37 minutes ~
07:06	BingoBoingo	;;ticker
07:06	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.0, Best ask: 447.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 34451.88813870, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 486.7, 24 hour vwap: 454.386601264
07:07	BingoBoingo	!jd
07:07	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 15022 BTC profit, 31.8k BTC invested, 949.66 mio bets, 5.12 mio BTC wagered
07:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15805 @ 0.00095156 = 15.0394 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 30 minutes ~
07:38	ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/neo-bees-suspends-btc-share-trading-due-abnormal-activity/
07:38	ThickAsThieves	While CEO Danny Brewster is out of the country and has not made an official statement on the events, he denied anything untoward about his actions.
07:38	ThickAsThieves	“My silence is for a very valid and personal reason, all the rumors that are flying about are false and couldn’t be further from the truth. I haven’t moved from Cyprus or anything of the kind I am TEMPORARILY out of the country resolving some big issues that were made much worse by people stating incorrect facts in a public forum.”
07:40	ThickAsThieves	this statement is odd "What’s even stranger is that LMB Holdings’ shares are not traded via Havelock Investments, only Neo & Bee’s."
07:41	ThickAsThieves	considering the prospectus says: "LMB Holdings Share Structure
07:41	ThickAsThieves	Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK)."
07:46	ThickAsThieves	kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it
07:46	ThickAsThieves	cool to see the b-a site growing
07:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00094936 = 16.8037 BTC [-]
07:52	ThickAsThieves	http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/long-term-update-at-support/
07:52	ozbot	Long Term Update: at support | Bitcoin Trading Signals
08:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00094936 = 11.2024 BTC [-]
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08:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00094936 = 6.8829 BTC [-]
08:25	dirt_	I thought it was odd too. Mixing personal/business, and blaming a public forum? what, bitcointalk?
08:29	dexX7	<Ukyo> Anyone awake with ukyo.loan shares? << related to neo? ;)
08:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.607994 = 1.216 BTC [-] {2}
08:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59200003 = 1.184 BTC [-]
08:31	the20year2	Could be
08:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.590003 = 5.31 BTC [-]
08:32	the20year2	so this neobee thing has to do with ukto?
08:33	dexX7	it's only a very, very wild theory
08:33	ThickAsThieves	did Ukyo elaborate?
08:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.59000055 = 10.62 BTC [-] {4}
08:33	dexX7	<whitty> me ukyo
08:33	dexX7	<Ukyo> whitty: give me a min. jsut doing some testing
08:34	dexX7	that's all
08:34	ThickAsThieves	oh he's probly just making a claims page
08:34	ThickAsThieves	maybe paying divs?]
08:34	dexX7	the quote was from yesterday btw
		~ 17 minutes ~
08:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22152 @ 0.00095199 = 21.0885 BTC [+] {2}
09:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8493 @ 0.00094936 = 8.0629 BTC [-]
09:01	dirt_	Do you think neobee situation will last all week/longer?
09:02	artifexd	;;later tell bitcoinpete If you're going to have "IRC Nicknames" in the title, maybe discuss them in the post proper instead of just the footnotes?
09:02	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:04	dexX7	dirt_: i think no one knows at this point
09:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00095149 = 2.0457 BTC [+]
09:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06402556 = 0.1281 BTC [-] {2}
09:22	andreas_	;;ticker
09:22	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 460.08, Best ask: 462.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.92000, Last trade: 460.02, 24 hour volume: 34256.39991395, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 486.7, 24 hour vwap: 453.455374355
09:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06060102 = 0.1818 BTC [-]
09:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06060102 = 0.1818 BTC [-]
09:33	mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay what do you mean ?
09:33	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:35	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you're deluding yourself. whether there's a fee for participation or not, the defendant's risking something participating.
09:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51628 @ 0.00095246 = 49.1736 BTC [+] {3}
09:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00586962 = 3.1344 BTC [-] {10}
09:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00095443 = 9.258 BTC [+]
09:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06270222 = 0.4389 BTC [+] {3}
09:54	mircea_popescu	so what's the neobee announcement ?
09:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06270999 = 0.5017 BTC [+] {2}
09:56	mircea_popescu	the20year1 it's all a question of who do you want to deal with. to me, forum trust means exactly zero. to the forum, wel... they don't even know whjat the wot is, they're barely discovering chan logs these days.
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06270998 = 0.3763 BTC [-]
09:56	mircea_popescu	and before you make the kneejerk decision that you'd rather go where the people are, let me remind you that this is bitcoin, and that nonsense already took you to bf once, and then to havelock.
10:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34922 @ 0.00095347 = 33.2971 BTC [-]
10:03	mike_c	kakobrekla: thanks, spam cleansed.
10:03	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust. < it's awful really, more likely to diminish the trust of the rater than to improve that of the rate'ed.
10:04	ThickAsThieves	agreed
10:05	ThickAsThieves	the borrow 1btc for a week thing is silly
10:05	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla it's how you manage muppets, a la bitcointalk forum crowd.
10:05	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well, it rules out dank.
10:05	ThickAsThieves	it opens up those lenders to be targets too
10:06	artifexd	What is "dank"?
10:06	mircea_popescu	generally the corollary of freedom is that well... you gotta stay vigilant. which explains why freedom is so deeply umpopular.
10:06	mircea_popescu	artifexd o you missed a lot of fun.
10:06	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014#592703
10:06	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:08	mircea_popescu	hm, bitcoinpete's adventure is quite important : everyone with a WoT account : make sure you turn enforce on with nickserv.
10:08	mircea_popescu	otherwise you're just contributing tools to scammers.
10:08	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo this should actually be in your manual. it's an absolute imperative, you can
10:08	wywialm	and what is a good way of building trust then?
10:08	mircea_popescu	't have wot accts w/o enforce.
10:08	mircea_popescu	wywialm if you idle here and read, good ways present themselves.
10:09	mircea_popescu	often someone needs something done or there's an idea you can help with etc.
10:09	mircea_popescu	you know, just like in any society.
10:09	artifexd	I was here. Lurking. Watching it live. I just stayed silent because I had nothing useful to add. I did miss the "dank bank" comment.
10:09	mircea_popescu	jayk can't believe asshole teacher had the guts to x that answer.
10:10	mircea_popescu	artifexd i know about you. i was talking to him tho :p
10:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095334 = 15.6348 BTC [-] {3}
10:10	mircea_popescu	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/31/us-eurozone-inflation-idUSBREA2U0F320140331
10:10	ozbot	Euro zone inflation drops to lowest since 2009
10:10	mircea_popescu	check out how well europe is doing :D
10:10	mircea_popescu	bwahahaha
10:11	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'll address this deficiency
10:11	mircea_popescu	so putin threatens to fuck them up with the energy, quickly the propaganda brigade is out there with preparatory statements
10:11	mircea_popescu	"oh, it may be the case everything will be more expensive in the future, perhaps, BUT!! don't worry about it, you read last month all about how low inflation is!"
10:12	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/TRJRSgf.jpg << ahaha this is beyond cute.
10:12	VanCleef	speaking of media propaganda the funnest ones i seen was yesterday or the day before, but all american media groups were saying putin called obama about ukraine because putin is weak and looking for an exit
10:13	VanCleef	was like wtf?
10:13	mircea_popescu	lol
10:13	mircea_popescu	terribly weak, i bet. didn't they pretty much take over and end of story ?
10:15	ThickAsThieves	how do you enable 'enforce' of nicks? i'm registered in nickserv, is that how?
10:15	mircea_popescu	joecool now that's pretty cool! i had forgotten all about ;;events
10:15	artifexd	/msg nickserv set enforce on
10:15	mircea_popescu	lol he just missed his reg window
10:16	ThickAsThieves	thanks!
10:16	mircea_popescu	wb.
10:16	Mats_cd03	balls
10:16	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
10:16	Mats_cd03	i need wot rating to edit the wiki :(
10:16	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 459.5, Best ask: 462.04, Bid-ask spread: 2.54000, Last trade: 462.04, 24 hour volume: 32552.45101504, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 486.7, 24 hour vwap: 452.77957586
10:16	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 ask kakobrekla
10:16	ThickAsThieves	didnt mp rate you?
10:16	mircea_popescu	i did ?
10:16	Mats_cd03	no
10:16	ThickAsThieves	oh it was mattc
10:16	ThickAsThieves	mikec
10:16	ThickAsThieves	bleh
10:17	ThickAsThieves	nickserv enforce does what exactly, forces you to ident with nickserv on login?
10:17	mircea_popescu	within 30 seconds
10:18	ThickAsThieves	cool
10:18	mircea_popescu	NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
10:18	mircea_popescu	like that.
10:19	mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay it was btctc if memory serves.
10:19	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:19	ThickAsThieves	"The euro zone is far from the deflation that Japan suffered from the early 1990s"
10:19	ThickAsThieves	deflation is suffering?
10:20	ThickAsThieves	i guess it would affect debtors
10:21	mircea_popescu	;;later tell antephialtic the sort of people who take their information from btctalk and etc are better off not investing in btc stocks yet anyway.
10:21	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:21	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you recall the minimal theft argument ?
10:21	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: theft 'hormesis' ?
10:21	ThickAsThieves	i do not
10:21	mircea_popescu	aite lemme find it
10:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
10:22	ThickAsThieves	i can however see how an institutionally inflationary economy going deflationary could be painful
10:23	mike_c	well, the biggest debtor in the land is the govt. they aren't going to let things get deflationary.
10:23	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571177
10:24	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:24	ThickAsThieves	ok i remember now
10:25	mircea_popescu	so now, a cogent argument can be brought that japan was wrecked by its deflation years.
10:25	mircea_popescu	they survived ww2 and hiroshima as a traditional society.
10:25	mircea_popescu	all that is gone now. the reason ?
10:25	mircea_popescu	well japanese kids didn't start raping their mothers
10:25	mircea_popescu	but they did stop having sex altogether.
10:26	mircea_popescu	in the end the effect is the same. japan as you know it is about as relevant to world affairs as the hitite empire.
10:26	ThickAsThieves	i wonder if their penises will evolve to clits over time if it keeps up
10:26	mike_c	japan gets first crack at karpeles, that's gotta be worth something.
10:26	mircea_popescu	they won't make it. just be replaced with some sort of short stocky chinese.
10:27	mircea_popescu	i really dislike that type, too. and especially their women.
10:27	ThickAsThieves	hehe
10:27	mircea_popescu	o look, the breakfast pancake is now moving around on two olives!
10:27	asciilifeform	they could always grow another yukio mishima, this time with a brain, and go productively geopolitically apeshit
10:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mishima had a brain imo.
10:28	mircea_popescu	they didn't have teh... i dunno how to call it, the endometrium say.
10:28	asciilifeform	now this is probably true. sort of how limonov could not have possibly succeeded
10:28	mircea_popescu	right. a man is a zygote,
10:29	mircea_popescu	society around him needs to support la revolucion or else... no revolucion.
10:29	mircea_popescu	note how well guevara did in chad or w/e
10:29	asciilifeform	even the fellow mishima put in charge as 'kaisyaku' failed to do the job (cleanly chop off his head)
10:29	mircea_popescu	and i assure you had mishima had a better candidate available, he'd have picked that one.
10:29	mircea_popescu	you know ?
10:30	asciilifeform	'can't mold bullet from shit'
10:30	mircea_popescu	re limonov : http://russiapedia.rt.com/files/prominent-russians/politics-and-society/eduard-limonov/eduard-limonov_16-t.jpg
10:30	VanCleef	what if you freeze it?
10:30	mircea_popescu	wouldn't one be worried once his tits are better than the girl's ?
10:31	mircea_popescu	VanCleef and you shoot it with a freezefull explosion ?
10:31	VanCleef	geez that would be horrible, shitting in a bullet type casing and freezing it and then firing it into someone
10:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06103288 = 0.1221 BTC [-]
10:31	asciilifeform	VanCleef: frozen bullet never worked - because 'pv = nrt'
10:31	mircea_popescu	friction melts it.
10:31	asciilifeform	not the friction. the gas compression in front of it.
10:31	VanCleef	let a man dream damn it
10:32	asciilifeform	same as for re-entry from orbit
10:32	Mats_cd03	id poo in a shell for you
10:32	asciilifeform	or your refrigerator
10:32	mircea_popescu	also that.
10:32	VanCleef	i was at a party and shat in someones bong once
10:32	ThickAsThieves	:/
10:33	novusordo	cover the shit with a layer of epoxy
10:33	mircea_popescu	epoxy in a bong ?!
10:33	novusordo	i was still talking about the bullet
10:33	ThickAsThieves	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591285
10:33	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:33	Mats_cd03	wtf?
10:33	asciilifeform	soviet tale - one drunken idiot tells another, 'i was at this party, and this guy must've been a serious contraband hero, he's loaded - i stumbled around, looking for the throne, and found a little bathroom with golden toilet!' - other: 'fucktard, so it was you who took a shit in the saxophone!'
10:34	mircea_popescu	kik
10:34	VanCleef	lol
10:34	mircea_popescu	contraband hero huh ? like guitar hero, except the 80s
10:34	asciilifeform	(translation mine)
10:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06103288 = 0.1831 BTC [-]
10:36	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate)
10:37	mircea_popescu	dirt_ it's really not weird at all. exactly by the book how these things unfold.
10:38	chetty	http://bigstory.ap.org/article/global-warming-dials-our-risks-un-report-says
10:38	ozbot	Global warming dials up our risks, UN report says
10:39	mircea_popescu	chetty you know how this global warming soup sounds to me ? like since the 90s govt was hoping for an alien invasion to blame everything on, and by now they've finally decided that's not happening so going with plan b
10:39	mircea_popescu	i guess it's better than plan c, "the daisies did it, man!"
10:39	chetty	yeah - a bit confusing how they manage that with no warming the last 15 or so years
10:39	mircea_popescu	that's why they didn't go ahead and pretend it was the aliens.
10:41	mircea_popescu	Temperature : 44 C/ 111 F (Normal) Temperature Sensor Status : Normal
10:41	asciilifeform	it won't surprise me to see 'international komyoonity' airstrikes on uppity third-worlders who won't play ball and deindustrialize. 'punishment for pollution'.
10:41	mircea_popescu	see ? 44 c is now "normal" :D
10:41	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's not happening.
10:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06402546 = 0.3201 BTC [+]
10:41	mircea_popescu	there's no "international community" any more than the bitcointalk folks are "the bitcoin community"
10:42	mircea_popescu	all that bullshit died in syria.
10:42	asciilifeform	the arsonist who torched syria has a box full of matches left.
10:43	mircea_popescu	not really.
10:43	asciilifeform	they might be a little wet. but i'd be surprised if he doesn't try everything potentially flammable to see what can be burned next.
10:44	mircea_popescu	the way this game works is you get one new match once you successfully use the previous.
10:44	chetty	I'm sure they will keep trying
10:44	mircea_popescu	trying doesn't even count in dating
10:44	mircea_popescu	what, world politics ? forget it.
10:44	asciilifeform	if this were so, it would've ended with vietnam.
10:45	mircea_popescu	it had ended with vietnam.
10:45	mircea_popescu	but then cccp collapsed and the us figured its ww2 v2.0
10:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00584171 = 0.2512 BTC [+]
10:46	asciilifeform	http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html
10:46	ozbot	History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890
10:46	mircea_popescu	should the recent steps in china's attempts to democratize and capitalize (ie, the opening of bank deposits to risk) explode badly and end china, then the us may figure hey, v3.0!
10:46	mircea_popescu	this is possible, but perhaps improbable.
10:47	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform note the prominent absence of stuff 75-90
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0612 = 0.306 BTC [-]
10:52	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5993297#msg5993297
10:52	ozbot	[ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]
10:53	mircea_popescu	did they find the real pankkake yet ?
10:53	ThickAsThieves	they cant afford to
10:53	pankkake	this is so sad… the few shareholders that still had a brain are all over it
10:53	pankkake	not even asking how much it cost
10:54	mircea_popescu	whoa check this shit out : Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #wDqzUbLiYxa3zutm
10:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00583943 = 0.4321 BTC [-] {2}
10:54	Duffer1	turns out the slaughters are proudly reselling hashfast boards/chips as fast hash mining gear
10:54	pankkake	it almost seems like it was paid by the ukyo shares
10:54	pankkake	and they will likely forget the claims of lost coins on mtgox
10:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 325 @ 0.00583369 = 1.8959 BTC [-]
10:55	pankkake	there are multiple reports of refunds by check (and only that way) with misspellings and missing signatures
10:55	pankkake	seriously…
10:55	mircea_popescu	lol
10:56	Neil	Geez. I've written the beginnings of a bitcoin network node. It downloads and validates all 293400 block headers in 16.544 seconds.
10:56	Neil	Not the block bodies, of course.
10:56	mircea_popescu	;;seen cedivad
10:56	gribble	cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <cedivad> Mats_cd03: lol; +1
10:56	mircea_popescu	;;later tell cedivad is that you with bitcointa.lk ?
10:56	gribble	The operation succeeded.
10:56	mircea_popescu	Neil that's pretty good.
10:56	mircea_popescu	afaik benkay never got that far :D
10:57	Neil	mircea_popescu: Yeah; was initially connecting to a US node; it took 2 minutes. Looked up a Japan node and it just screams.
10:57	Duffer1	they botched their own board dev, scrapped their own 48/55/28nm projects, lost 500 coins on gox, outright stole (and admitted to stealing) shares from at least two shareholders, and lied about everything so far
10:57	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 sounds like a solid AAAA+ bitcoin corp
10:57	mircea_popescu	not like those fly-by-night ventures.
10:57	Duffer1	amazing company!
10:57	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
10:57	Neil	It's a little over 23 MB of data I think
10:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00095166 = 20.4607 BTC [-] {2}
10:58	mircea_popescu	anyway, mpoe-pr is moving to bitcointa.lk
10:58	mircea_popescu	http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/31/authors-jarring-claim-the-stock-market-is-rigged/
10:58	ozbot	Author’s Jarring Claim: The Stock Market Is ‘Rigged’ | Video | TheBlaze.com
11:01	VanCleef	why doesn't hshe hang out on irc?
11:01	VanCleef	make it less of a sausage party
11:02	mircea_popescu	to do what ?
11:03	pankkake	.lk lets you "follow" users. cool
11:03	pankkake	just need a way to import my watchlist now
11:03	VanCleef	a. make it less of a sausage party b. provide some insight on bitcoin securities in real time
11:03	mircea_popescu	pankkake i seriously suggest everyone move.
11:03	mircea_popescu	thermos & co flea circus needs to end.
11:03	VanCleef	agreed
11:03	VanCleef	i hate thermos
11:04	mircea_popescu	VanCleef she's not better informed than i am you know. she'd just say, "what mp said" all the time.
11:04	pankkake	a bunch of mods are scum too (sorry davout!)
11:04	VanCleef	fair enough
11:04	VanCleef	is she your gf?
11:04	pankkake	I'm still thinking of doing a 4chan-for-bitcoin but I have other better things to do!
11:04	mircea_popescu	up until yest we had this gentleman agreement of sorts that they don't delete the girl's posts and i look the other way on the endless stupid shit they did.
11:05	pankkake	(or other worse things to do I can't avoid)
11:05	mircea_popescu	yesterday that line was broken, and with it... there goes.
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.064025 = 0.1921 BTC [+]
11:05	mircea_popescu	pankkake so do a 4chan, whaty
11:05	mircea_popescu	i ran a chan forever, you can have the backup
11:06	pankkake	there are some open source projects for that apparently
11:06	mircea_popescu	i meant data-wise
11:06	mircea_popescu	be nicely seeded with a bunch of good porn, not the shit ozpot spits out
11:06	mircea_popescu	maybe even write a proper .bait command.
11:06	pankkake	I still wonder how .bait works
11:06	mircea_popescu	pulls for tumblr i imagine
11:06	pankkake	yes, but I can't guess if it looks for tags or whatever, nor which
11:07	mircea_popescu	yea me either.
11:07	mircea_popescu	;;rated cevidad
11:07	gribble	You have not yet rated user cevidad
11:07	ThickAsThieves	.bait
11:07	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zbzufxWF1r91jyuo1_1280.jpg
11:07	pankkake	anyway, I just wonder how it would turn out when there are no nicknames. maybe everyone will be accused of being MP
11:07	ThickAsThieves	some big brains on that girl
11:08	mircea_popescu	pankkake so it'd be different from now how ?
11:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9999 @ 0.00095149 = 9.5139 BTC [-]
11:08	pankkake	eheh :)
11:08	pankkake	by the way, romain put up some new pics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.40 (NSFW)
11:08	mircea_popescu	incidentally, here's a fun story : the original pythagoreans all claimed all their discoveries were made by... pythagora.
11:08	mircea_popescu	which was kinda funny seeing how the guy had been dead for a while.
11:09	mircea_popescu	all through modernity this was recounted as a "look how monastically humble those folks were" sort of tale
11:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.00095139 = 7.8908 BTC [-] {3}
11:09	pankkake	reminds me of the communist dictators
11:09	mircea_popescu	but looking at bitcointalk, im realising it may have been the converse : to your average monkey of 500bc, anyone with a brain probably looked like the sockpuppet of the one guy with a brain
11:09	mircea_popescu	so they just accused any greek mathematician of "being pythagora"
11:09	mircea_popescu	and it stuck.
11:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19787 @ 0.00094997 = 18.7971 BTC [-] {2}
11:12	ThickAsThieves	heh
11:12	ThickAsThieves	anyone happen to know the way to look up a UK business license, ive done it before but now i cant recall how
11:13	mircea_popescu	;;google look up a UK business license
11:13	gribble	Licence Finder - GOV.UK: <https://www.gov.uk/licence-finder>; Get information about a company - GOV.UK: <https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company>; Companies House: <http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/>
11:13	VanCleef	so obamacare website ws a complete fail today
11:13	*	mircea_popescu lords it over ThickAsThieves
11:14	VanCleef	http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/obamacare-deadline/obamacare-website-fails-deadline-arrives-n67666
11:14	ozbot	Obamacare Website Fails as Deadline Arrives - NBC News
11:14	ThickAsThieves	ah that's the one
11:14	ThickAsThieves	http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo
11:14	ozbot	Companies House WebCheck
11:14	ThickAsThieves	i ignored it at first cuz home page was spammy looking
11:14	ThickAsThieves	this one http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/
11:15	ThickAsThieves	"Free" being a red flag i might be too sensitive to
11:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00539816 = 0.7557 BTC [-] {11}
11:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0052222 = 0.2402 BTC [-]
11:22	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: what's a defendant risking by participating? his trust rating? that's on the line whether he participates or not!
11:23	VanCleef	jesus fucking christ how many threads does active mining need
11:23	mircea_popescu	nubbins` the judgement, whatever it may be.
11:23	ThickAsThieves	one for each whim of each shareholder VanCleef
11:23	ThickAsThieves	probly needs its own forum
11:24	VanCleef	lol yeh
11:24	VanCleef	activeminingtalk.org
11:24	pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21tp3n/the_following_accounts_are_operated_by_mpex/ oh he deleted it already :(
11:25	ozbot	The following accounts are operated by MPEx exchange and affiliates to discredit their competition.
11:25	mircea_popescu	derp.
11:25	Apocalyptic	"to discredit their competition." // they are already doing a fine job themselves
11:27	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic this is really crop of the season stuff.
11:27	mircea_popescu	the EXACT same crap was being peddled by all the people upset that mpoe-pr closed down glbse two years ago.
11:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.0052222 = 0.235 BTC [-]
11:27	mircea_popescu	they're still around, grumbling. fortunately, they have no btc to show, so it's mostly a vocal exercise.
11:28	asciilifeform	i confess that i wonder when i too will be featured on the 'secret soldier-shills of satanix mpex' lists the lamers are so fond of now.
11:28	Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, you would have to post at bitcointroll for that to happen
11:29	jayk	hmm
11:31	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the reptillian brain is driven by visual cues. so, once you're visible.
11:31	nubbins`	so he's risking a negative judgment, and this is the reason to pull the plug on the whole thing? O_O
11:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005201 = 0.104 BTC [-]
11:31	nubbins`	Hannibal ante portas!
11:31	mircea_popescu	nubbins` if he doesn't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees, he has no reason to trust the court with a farthing.
11:32	nubbins`	no, YOU don't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees
11:32	mircea_popescu	many things in bitcoin are an all or nothing proposition, which is why it's so important to always pick either and stick to it.
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.0051278 = 0.7692 BTC [-] {9}
11:32	mircea_popescu	i dun see why exactly you imagine this is personal in any sense. the court as it was failed to do so, that's objective not subjective.
11:33	jayk	the irs needed to stay out of bitcoin
11:33	*	jayk punches them
11:33	jayk	:\
11:33	nubbins`	sure, but the whole thing i was getting at is that the fee structure was flawed from the start, which is why the experiment failed
11:33	mircea_popescu	this would seem to be your pet theory, yes.
11:34	nubbins`	i have yet to see anything to the contrary aside from some hand-waving about absolutes and subjectivity
11:34	Mats_cd03	luls
11:35	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-223#post-5722550
11:35	ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 223 | Bitcointa.lk
11:35	mircea_popescu	"maybe danny is becoming danielle"
11:35	mircea_popescu	epic shit.
11:35	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you don't have to see "anything to the contrary"
11:35	mircea_popescu	that's not how arguments work.
11:35	pankkake	ah, she had the list!
11:36	nubbins`	man has a round hole, a square peg, and a round peg
11:36	nubbins`	square peg doesn't fit, so the hole is flawed
11:36	mircea_popescu	you familiar with the fallacy known as false dilemma ?
11:36	nubbins`	is it where people dance around addressing an issue? :D
11:36	mircea_popescu	(aka fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses)
11:37	mircea_popescu	no, it's where someone proposes he knows all the alternatives, which happen to be two, of which one happens to be something that didn't work in the past and the other happens to be his pet theory.
11:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 266 @ 0.00500488 = 1.3313 BTC [-] {3}
11:37	nubbins`	i'm not proposing i know all the alternatives, i'm simply proposing one alternative that avoids the pitfalls of the first failure
11:38	mircea_popescu	one alternative you claim avoids the pitfals you identify.
11:38	nubbins`	consider the statement suitably modified
11:38	mircea_popescu	well, i see not problem with it, but it ain't convincing me.
11:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.592 BTC [+]
11:39	nubbins`	shame to let such a cute baby starve
11:39	mircea_popescu	lol
11:39	mircea_popescu	cute babies starve all teh time, it's the way you feed freedom.
11:39	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1766230/plain/)
11:39	asciilifeform	!b 1
11:39	bitcoinpete	Although some of you've read my latest blog post, I'm going to leave it here quietly for those who haven't:
11:39	nubbins`	ehhh, for someone who goes on about the sham fiat courts so much, i'm more than a bit surprised you gave up on the idea after the first bump in the road
11:40	bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
11:40	ozbot	Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete
11:40	nubbins`	but hey, it's your dime
11:40	mircea_popescu	twasnt a bump in the road, twas a major chasm.
11:40	mircea_popescu	i just got better flir vision than you'd expect.
11:40	nubbins`	heaven forbid you build a bridge
11:40	mircea_popescu	whole thing's rotten.
11:40	chetty	the time will come to feed that baby nubbins` , but not yet.
11:40	benkay	wd Neil, can you share your source?
11:41	nubbins`	chetty: well, we're both sidestepping the issue that nobody in btc space is nearly competent enough to serve as a judge of any sort
11:41	mircea_popescu	^
11:41	mircea_popescu	no, i'm not sidestepping it lmao.
11:41	mircea_popescu	it's the fucking problem. citizen judgeship works if your citizenry consists of slave owning educated people
11:41	mircea_popescu	not web denizens
11:41	chetty	there are competent judges, but they can't be bothered
11:42	nubbins`	well i mean "open call for judges" certainly isn't the way to find 'em
11:42	mircea_popescu	the latter argues against the former. what competence of the lazy is this ?!
11:42	mircea_popescu	nubbins` why not ?
11:42	chetty	no lazy, busy
11:42	mircea_popescu	ahahaha she's buying neobee shares with aurora coins ok ok
11:43	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: because you get applications from -assets neckbeards & wizards who want to crawl up your bum
11:43	nubbins`	fun fact, this is not the place where the best and brightest hang out
11:43	nubbins`	far, far from it
11:43	mircea_popescu	nubbins` maybe, but that has nothing to do : if it's not open it's stacked.
11:44	Apocalyptic	nubbins`, what's that place ?
11:44	asciilifeform	meta-nsa.
11:44	mircea_popescu	the solution is to MAKE the best and brightest hang here.
11:44	nubbins`	it's certainly worked so far ;p
11:45	nubbins`	almost as well as putting up a lonely blog post worked at fetching judges
11:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00094939 = 15.8548 BTC [-] {2}
11:46	mircea_popescu	y so bitter nubsy
11:46	nubbins`	something stuck in my craw, nothing personal
11:46	nubbins`	this isn't the field of dreams -- you have to do more than build it for people to come
11:47	mircea_popescu	weren't you starving babies fifty lines up ?
11:47	nubbins`	about the same time you were dancing around straight answers, yep ;D
11:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06121101 = 0.1224 BTC [-]
11:48	nubbins`	now, i've gotta get to the post office before this 30cm of freezing rain shows up
11:48	mircea_popescu	Of the crooked eyes of humanity no straight answer was ever perceived.
11:48	nubbins`	have a chew on the fact that rarely in history has "the best thing" ever ended up at the top of the pile purely on its own merits
11:48	nubbins`	unfair as it is, c'est ca
11:48	chetty	http://www.smh.com.au/world/attempt-to-deposit-fake-bonds-in-vatican-bank-20140330-zqolp.html
11:48	ozbot	Attempt to deposit fake bonds in Vatican bank
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06121034 = 0.3673 BTC [-] {3}
11:51	mircea_popescu	so am i getting this straight, teh forum is accusing me of backhandedly and undergroundedly manipulating everything while petting my cat and rolling my evil mustachios
11:51	mircea_popescu	whereas irc is accusing me of daydreamingly waiting for things to just happen ?
11:51	mircea_popescu	i want a trophy for this.
11:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4068 @ 0.00094936 = 3.862 BTC [-]
11:52	asciilifeform	'why does physicist need a wife and a mistress? so that he can tell one that he is with the other, while he runs off to the lab to get some actual work in.'
11:54	ThickAsThieves	to be fair, ive only ever accussed you of being stubborn and having an acceptably deviant sexual disposition
11:54	ThickAsThieves	i think
11:55	ThickAsThieves	spelling*
11:55	mircea_popescu	TROPHY!!!
11:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18219 @ 0.00095425 = 17.3855 BTC [+] {2}
11:56	ThickAsThieves	you havent issued a trophy process
11:56	ThickAsThieves	how can we give you a trophy
11:56	ThickAsThieves	lazy fuck
11:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1081 @ 0.000955 = 1.0324 BTC [+]
11:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06100001 = 0.122 BTC [-]
11:57	ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21tws3/satoshi_donated_to_dorian_fundraiser/
11:57	ozbot	Satoshi donated to Dorian fundraiser : Bitcoin
11:57	ThickAsThieves	satoshi's a cheap mofo
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.45430027 BTC to 4`887 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
12:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 4.44000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 11100 satoshi per share
12:05	mircea_popescu	awww sucks
12:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
12:06	BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2014/03/31/c_word_the_oxford_english_dictionary_adds_several_adjectival_forms_of_cunt.html
12:06	ozbot	C-word: The Oxford English Dictionary adds several adjectival forms of cunt, including cunted and cu
12:07	mircea_popescu	cunty ?!
12:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0464 = 0.1856 BTC [-]
12:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
12:09	BingoBoingo	Well...
12:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10139 @ 0.000955 = 9.6827 BTC [+]
12:11	mircea_popescu	"cunt-bitten" ? like moonstricken ?
12:12	BingoBoingo	Well cunt is the new moon. ATC is headed to the Cunt.
12:12	ThickAsThieves	https://coinbase.com/apps/
12:12	ozbot	Coinbase Apps
12:12	ThickAsThieves	they haz app store now
12:17	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves pretty sure that's not actually satoshi
12:18	ThickAsThieves	mp, question/advice-seeking: for someone wanting to take an "idea" and turn it into a respectable business plan, or at minimum, some sort of white paper spelling out all the pieces, what would be the best way to approach it? the default would be a stream of conciousness writing process to where you can work from what you make to categorize and sort it all, polishing it over and over
12:18	ThickAsThieves	through iteration, but surely you have insight on the matter.
12:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]
12:19	ThickAsThieves	maybe you have a trilema link that applies?
12:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00095518 = 16.3336 BTC [+] {3}
12:20	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well no, a business plan is a commerce thing. you just need to fill in the specified spots.
12:20	kow	ThickAsThieves, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposal_(business)
12:21	ThickAsThieves	so working from a template is sufficient
12:21	mircea_popescu	you familiar with the apostolic five w's ?
12:21	ThickAsThieves	no
12:21	mircea_popescu	i thought you were in journalism ?
12:21	ThickAsThieves	who what when where how?
12:21	mircea_popescu	who what yes
12:21	mircea_popescu	some pope came up with the rule that all reports must be built on this structure
12:21	mircea_popescu	sometime in 600ad
12:22	ThickAsThieves	i was a layout guy at the paper, thrown into editing some cuz i was not so dumb
12:22	mircea_popescu	ah.
12:22	kow	high school newspaper
12:22	mircea_popescu	thinking may be an unstructured process, like say dreaming
12:22	ThickAsThieves	daily rag actually
12:22	mircea_popescu	or it can be a structured process. most industry and a good chunk of science, plus engineering (which includes good reporting and good police investigative work) is structured by this principle.
12:23	mircea_popescu	this isn't a template, but a structure
12:23	ThickAsThieves	ok
12:23	mircea_popescu	(the difference is the same as between the rules of static forces on one hand and the facade of a house on the other)
12:24	mircea_popescu	(and before anyone lays into me, i'm not really claiming dreaming is unstructured, lay off)
12:24	ThickAsThieves	lol
12:25	ThickAsThieves	that wiki link wasnt quite applicable
12:25	chetty	ThickAsThieves, helps a lot if you have person to bounce ideas around with
12:25	ThickAsThieves	what i'm truly setting out to do, is determine whether two of my ideas can really work
12:25	mircea_popescu	indeed. and what the bouncer usually has to say is "sucks because what, or sucks because how" etc
12:26	ThickAsThieves	one idea would be much easier to map out, the other less so, but i feel the process would force true determination
12:26	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well you'll never know if an idea can or can not *really* work. you should aim to get them / see if they can be gotten to the point where qualified people want to find out if they can work.
12:26	ThickAsThieves	i want to convince myself of such
12:26	mircea_popescu	no business plan is a proposition of becoming rich.
12:26	ThickAsThieves	before trying to convince others
12:27	ThickAsThieves	not even about being rich necessarily
12:27	mircea_popescu	all business plans are a delineation of something which may or may not be worth finding out if it woirks.
12:27	ThickAsThieves	ok
12:27	mircea_popescu	they're no different from grants, really.
12:27	ThickAsThieves	maybe i should enlist my wife then
12:27	ThickAsThieves	she gets grants all the time
12:27	mircea_popescu	she can't hurt anything
12:27	ThickAsThieves	well...
12:27	mircea_popescu	maybe she'll even end up taking you seriously
12:28	mircea_popescu	once she actually groks wtf it is.
12:28	ThickAsThieves	that is quite possible
12:29	ThickAsThieves	just got an email that RENT SPO is on
12:30	ThickAsThieves	they did indeed conduct it as i guessed
12:31	ThickAsThieves	halted the normal market, and opened the Buy IPO page to only buy new shares
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.015945 = 0.1276 BTC [+]
12:32	dexX7	https://blockchain.info/address/1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV "Final Balance -221.60279421 BTC" >_>
12:32	ozbot	Bitcoin Address 1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV
12:32	Mats_cd03	ThickAsThieves: RS second round?
12:33	ThickAsThieves	what's that dexx7?
12:33	ThickAsThieves	Mats, 3rd or 4th round by my count
12:34	dexX7	bc.i seems to be broken again.. a wallet with negative balance
12:34	ThickAsThieves	ah
12:35	ThickAsThieves	are you sure it's not just a dumb display method?
12:35	ThickAsThieves	like there are doublespends unconfirmed and affecting total
12:35	ThickAsThieves	or the like
12:35	dexX7	i never saw something like this
12:36	ThickAsThieves	seems to be a hevaily used addy
12:36	dexX7	true
12:37	Apocalyptic	bc.i has been broken for some time
12:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12995 @ 0.0009553 = 12.4141 BTC [+]
12:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12807 @ 0.00095104 = 12.18 BTC [-] {2}
12:41	mircea_popescu	lol pretty lulzy.
12:41	mircea_popescu	just means the "total available" figure is broken really.
12:43	pLambert	anybody want to guess odds that NEOBEE produces a financial statement within the next week?
12:43	mircea_popescu	i don't see anything substantially wrong with your 1.4%
12:43	pLambert	heh, you saw that?
12:44	mircea_popescu	twas in tje digests
12:45	pLambert	At least I have my MPEx based investments to offset all the losses from other places :/
12:46	mircea_popescu	lmao what have i become ;/
12:46	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-224#post-5723119
12:46	ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 224 | Bitcointa.lk
12:46	mircea_popescu	she's really sticking it to them isn't she
12:46	mircea_popescu	tho perhaps i should say him. that thread's basically reduced to one guy spazzing out and a bunch of people milking him for lulz.
12:47	pLambert	you better be careful or they are going to hire her out from under you ... or not
12:48	mircea_popescu	funny, they don't want to splurge 30 on a mpex reg, but they do want to spend 35 on the mpoe-pr.
12:48	mircea_popescu	which, from all the reviews i've read so far, is really very bad and useless pr doing me a huge disservice.
12:48	pLambert	I think they only offered 3, she said she wouldn't do it for 35
12:49	benkay	!t h rent
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00666000 / 0.00729929 / 0.00750000 (861 shares, 6.28468898 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00635969 / 0.00750000 (5354 shares, 34.04980275 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00566124 / 0.00900001 (46815 shares, 265.03101440 BTC)
12:49	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-224#post-5723297
12:49	ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 224 | Bitcointa.lk
12:49	mircea_popescu	looks like there were two people or something.
12:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094936 = 3.7974 BTC [-]
12:52	mircea_popescu	jurov pankkake https://bitcointa.lk/threads/your-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse.290560/#post-5723899
12:54	ThickAsThieves	the forum has become beyond useless
12:54	novusordo	the only thing I use the forum for nowadays is following updates from friedcat and the trezor fellows
12:55	novusordo	and even then I just have automatic alerts to let me know when they post stuff
12:55	mircea_popescu	i use it as a sort of daytime sitcom
12:55	ThickAsThieves	i cant gather that kind of joy from it
12:56	pankkake	well yes it's the "martin" jurov talked about
12:57	mircea_popescu	aha
12:57	mircea_popescu	the unpaid invoices part seemed novel.
12:58	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves and why not ?
12:58	benkay	"Modern media exacerbate the challenge of sorting reality from orchestrated perception." http://www.farnamstreetblog.com/2014/03/stanley-mcchrystal-my-share-of-the-task/
12:58	ThickAsThieves	for the same reason i cant enjoy Rush Limbaugh i think
12:59	mircea_popescu	which one is that
12:59	ThickAsThieves	the pill-popping conservative radio sensatinalist
12:59	ThickAsThieves	it's just embarassing i the thougth of people taking it seriously compounds that
13:00	mircea_popescu	" Limbaugh is among the highest paid people in U.S. media, signing a contract in 2008 for $400 million through 2016.["
13:01	ThickAsThieves	yeah the liberals listen to gawk, the idiots listen to fistpump
13:01	asciilifeform	wait, the american zhirinovsky ?!
13:01		novusordo: https://twitter.com/FriedcatSays
13:01	mircea_popescu	lol he actually fistpumps ?
13:01	ThickAsThieves	no
13:01	ThickAsThieves	i just mean they want their ignorance validated
13:01	asciilifeform	(or would that be glenn beck)
13:01	ThickAsThieves	and nourished
13:01	ThickAsThieves	yeah glenn beck is worse probly
13:02	ThickAsThieves	when i read the forums i cant help but think some % is accepting these people as reality
13:02	mircea_popescu	does he say anything specific other than obama is bad and the country is going to shit ?
13:03	ThickAsThieves	whatever gets the pickup-driving racists to feel good (and buy gold), he says
13:03	jurov	that's lulzy, martin/forensick uses bitcoin burza avatar too
13:03	mircea_popescu	both of these being fairly uncontroversial and apparently the entire bag of tricks of us conservative pundits
13:04	ThickAsThieves	trolling itself is something ive never quite been able to fully digest
13:04	mircea_popescu	you're probably too old.
13:05	ThickAsThieves	i also dislike april fool's day fwiw
13:05	ThickAsThieves	get off my lawn!
13:05	mircea_popescu	lol
13:05	mircea_popescu	i don't recall the last time someone gathered the guts to try and play a trick on me,
13:05	mircea_popescu	but i do recall what i did to them.
13:05	MisterE	http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-31/edison-invoked-in-rare-u-dot-s-dot-high-court-look-at-software-patents
13:05	ozbot	Edison Echoed as U.S. Court Looks at Software Patents - Businessweek
13:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10680 @ 0.00095381 = 10.1867 BTC [+] {2}
13:06	ThickAsThieves	u dot s dot?
13:06	ThickAsThieves	lol
13:07	mircea_popescu	"Software makers led by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT:US) say overly strict limits would reduce incentives to develop cutting-edge programs that detect when a car airbag should deploy or let people alter photographs."
13:07	mircea_popescu	ahahaha so much lol packed in one sentence
13:07	ThickAsThieves	ack it hurts
13:08	ThickAsThieves	who let the people photochop!?
13:08	ThickAsThieves	let my peepho go!
13:08	ThickAsThieves	meanwhile MS is the definition of photo-editing jokes
13:08	ThickAsThieves	MS Paint
13:09	mircea_popescu	i tell you, really good sentence.
13:09	ThickAsThieves	parody v reality aint looking so good for reality
13:10	mircea_popescu	“Switch just two people— the battalion commander and command sergeant major—from the best battalion with those of the worst, and within ninety days the relative effectiveness of the battalions will have switched as well,” I’d say. I still believe I was correct.
13:10	novusordo	[KS]: i've seen that, I have my own script I wrote before that came around that sends me a text message when he posts
13:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
13:10	novusordo	it's nice because i can just use it for any forum member
13:10	asciilifeform	'f Edison were alive today, he would be writing his inventions in software.' << multilayer trololol
13:11	mircea_popescu	if elvis were alive today, his name'd be fiona and he'd be doing my laundry.
13:12	novusordo	are there any good historical sources of mpex data besides @MPEX1 on twitter? i'm not finding much for historical volume
13:12	ThickAsThieves	as long as he'll still sing at weddings!
13:12	ThickAsThieves	novusordo, i think coinflow.co still works
13:12	mircea_popescu	also this chan, and iirc kakobrekla was selling the whole history db
13:12	asciilifeform	afaik the man invented exactly two things - phonograph and... patent trolling
13:13	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed.
13:13	mircea_popescu	so he'd be writing his inventions... in flash.
13:13	novusordo	ThickAsThieves: it seems to stop for most assets in october of 2013 for me... not sure why
13:13	asciilifeform	although...
13:14	asciilifeform	;;google paleophone
13:14	gribble	Charles Cros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cros>; Paleophone: <http://paleophone.net/>; Charles Cros: <http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Charles_Cros.html>
13:14	novusordo	i'm looking for historical data that I can crunch
13:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06068899 = 2.1848 BTC [-] {8}
13:14	ThickAsThieves	buy it from kako
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0561 = 0.1122 BTC [-]
13:19	novusordo	oh, the socket seems to have what i'm looking for
13:19	novusordo	didn't see it before
13:19	novusordo	herp
13:19	mircea_popescu	probably more adequate for high volume processing too.
13:20	jurov	novusordo, because live.coinbr started in october 2013. afaik socked uses there data, too
13:20	jurov	*these historical data
13:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
13:20	jurov	for surrent data, it hace dedicated mpex interface
13:21	jurov	amazing no one collected them before
13:21	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
13:27	asciilifeform	from the loltron:
13:27	asciilifeform	http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-28/as-cash-use-drops-do-crime-rates-follow#r=read
13:27	ozbot	As Cash Use Drops, Do Crime Rates Follow? - Businessweek
13:28	mircea_popescu	on pravda today : "Does socialism increase the welfare of the worker ?"
13:29	asciilifeform	;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes
13:29	gribble	The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes - General Board of Global ...: <http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/129/>; Charles Wesley on 'The cause and cure of earthquakes ...: <http://methodistthinker.com/2011/03/14/charles-wesley-cause-and-cure-of-earthquakes/>; Charles Wesley, "The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes" 1750: (1 more message)
13:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.0001201 = 2.402 BTC [-] {12}
13:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.0075 = 0.195 BTC [+]
13:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00095237 = 9.1428 BTC [-]
13:50	thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com mpoe march 2014
13:50	gribble	MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/>; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-january-2014-statement/>; MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/mpex/>
13:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
13:51	ThickAsThieves	http://blog.shubh.am/full-disclosure-coinbase-security/
13:51	ThickAsThieves	"Within 30 minutes, I was able to gather 400 unique email addresses, distinctively associated with Bitcoins"
13:51	ThickAsThieves	http://i.imgur.com/ik2M9Zw.png
13:53	mircea_popescu	lol
13:53	mircea_popescu	excellent opportunity for coinbase to display some pr.
13:53	ThickAsThieves	"Cuomo Gives Tesla (TSLA) A New York Direct-Sell Pass"
13:53	novusordo	i'm having a hard time understanding what 'username' and 'pass' I'm supposed to supply the mpex socket with...
13:54	ThickAsThieves	the one you purchased
13:56	novusordo	oh, that's what you meant by "buy it from kako" i assume
13:56	ThickAsThieves	yessir
13:57	ThickAsThieves	you contact him, pay, then he creates access account
13:57	ThickAsThieves	afaik
13:57	ThickAsThieves	"New regulation requires all cars to have rear-view cameras by 2018"
13:57	ThickAsThieves	When will eyes be required on the back of my head to walk?
13:57	asciilifeform	'new regulation requires all cars to have arseview cameras by 2028'
13:57	kanzure	backwards google glass
13:58	novusordo	surely that means all NEW cars, right?
13:58	kanzure	someone should run one of the mtgox email address dumps through that coinbase api endpoint
13:58	mircea_popescu	kanzure generally s/someone/i/
13:59	kanzure	yeah i should do it
13:59	mircea_popescu	a generally available index of "idiots involved in Bitcoin" is a good thing.
13:59	kanzure	i'm sure it's going to be the same users
13:59	kanzure	yes
13:59	mircea_popescu	it'd hurt the idiots, but their pain and suffering is required to build greatness.
13:59	kanzure	it wont hurt them any more than they've already hurt themselves
14:00	mircea_popescu	exactly.
14:00	kanzure	remember, they intentionally signed up to coinbase
14:00	kanzure	and even mtgox
14:00	mircea_popescu	but it's not ok to let them suffer in silence and privacy.,
14:00	mircea_popescu	they must be displayed for the general public, so the general public may learn that idiocy has consequences.
14:00	mircea_popescu	*painful* consequences.
14:00	kanzure	i dunno about that. that's more thought than i'm willing to put into it.
14:01	mircea_popescu	there's also that.
14:01	asciilifeform	what'd be the punishment here? more load for their spam filters?
14:01	mircea_popescu	public ridicule
14:01	kanzure	being phished for the rest of eternity
14:01	mircea_popescu	"you claim to be a human being, but you are actually subhuman, because look :"
14:01	kanzure	basically everyone in that 2011 mtgox dump is target for phishing
14:02	kanzure	and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so
14:02	mircea_popescu	kanzure how exactly did you form this opinion on coinbase ?
14:02	asciilifeform	phish neither picks your pockets nor breaks yer bones, unless one is stupid
14:02	kanzure	mircea_popescu: huh?
14:02	mircea_popescu	"and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so"
14:02	kanzure	mircea_popescu: i mean they are a target for phishing if they also signed up for coinbase
14:03	mircea_popescu	a a
14:03	asciilifeform	for what it's worth, i had (empty) accounts on both.
14:03	kanzure	mircea_popescu: because they have trouble discriminating between good bitcoin ideas and poor bitcoin ideas ("hand over bitcoins to a third-party")
14:03	*	asciilifeform oils spam filter
14:03	kanzure	asciilifeform: that's worth at least something..
14:03	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform amusingly, i had accounts on neither, but that doesn't prevent people from trying to phish and etc
14:04	kanzure	oh have you gotten phishing emails targeted to you?
14:04	kanzure	that's curious
14:04	mircea_popescu	i think there must exist somewhere people doing email spiderin by hgand
14:04	Mats_cd03	attacking a form without a rate limit... how has coinbase gone this long with this problem?
14:04	mircea_popescu	kanzure i was just writing about one as ThickAsThieves posted that link
14:05	ThickAsThieves	probly multi-part teams, with one guy assigned to high-value targets
14:05	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 cuz nobody srsly cares about em ?
14:05	ThickAsThieves	he's the one working by hand
14:06	asciilifeform	to all spammers: the folks still using btc-related-whatevers on winblows are in dire need of your loving personal attention.
14:06	Mats_cd03	the next thing that poster is going to say in a week is, the password reset form doesnt have a rate limit either and oops, a quarter of the accounts have been looted cause an attacker bruteforced the idiots
14:07	kanzure	well they have rate limits on amount of bitcoin they can send at a time on coinbase because of how they claim their cold storage system works
14:07	Mats_cd03	yc needs better security experts on their staff
14:07	kanzure	so at minimum they have to pretend they have limits in order to not reveal that their cold storage sytsem isn't cold
14:08	ThickAsThieves	but jesus antonopoulis says it's sufficiently chilly
14:08	ThickAsThieves	or was that blockchain?
14:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00094986 = 16.8125 BTC [-] {3}
14:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11541 @ 0.00094925 = 10.9553 BTC [-] {2}
14:14	nanotube	benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :)
14:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0075 = 0.165 BTC [+] {2}
14:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 5080 @ 0.0075 = 38.1 BTC [+]
14:28	Mats_cd03	http://nationalinterest.org/print/commentary/are-aircraft-carriers-the-new-west-berlin-10128
14:28	ozbot	Are Aircraft Carriers the New West Berlin?
14:29	Mats_cd03	interesting idea, there, about playing chicken with national security
14:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094833 = 9.1514 BTC [-]
14:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00094833 = 28.118 BTC [-]
14:33	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/spam-and-malware-lets-be-cool-together/
14:33	ozbot	Spam and malware, let’s be cool together. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:36	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'he either buys a beer for whatever famished kid working in whatever poor quality “website design shop” to obtain credentials, or perhaps just simply is the famished kid in question' << sadder than that. the creds typically come from an idiot inside a given shop who bit a trojan hook himself.
14:37	mircea_popescu	also possible, yes.
14:37	mircea_popescu	in this case, i doubt the people working at the ro firm actually have access to the server tho
14:37	asciilifeform	spam behaves just like other 'multilevel' crapola, in that the objective is typically... to find more places to send spam from.
14:37	mircea_popescu	for reasons of sheer ineptitude
14:38	mircea_popescu	ie, managing excel is a demanding intellectual task.
14:38	asciilifeform	all one needs is to pwn one machine from which someone at least occasionally logs on to the box
14:38	mircea_popescu	but that's what im saying
14:38	mircea_popescu	the box was never logged into, ever.
14:38	mircea_popescu	look at that website.
14:39	nubbins`	i don't want my airbag to have the power to decide whether i'm allowed to alter photographs :(
14:39	mircea_popescu	it was made sometime in 200x, never to be touched again
14:39	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'For Science' (tm) post the sha of payload
14:40	mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's worse than that. the lolcats have the power to decide if your airbang opens
14:40	mircea_popescu	i can forward you the entire thing if you're curious
14:40	asciilifeform	lolcats decide if your... throttle opens.
14:40	asciilifeform	dollars to doughbuts, sha will suffice.
14:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00094833 = 7.8237 BTC [-]
14:40	mircea_popescu	heck, let me send you a list of this shit :D
14:41	Mats_cd03	i'll take a copy of the zip if you'd upload it
14:41	nubbins`	new regulation requires all cars to have under-the-nuts-view cameras by 2015
14:42	mircea_popescu	you can have a fwd, pm an email.
14:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 291 @ 0.0075 = 2.1825 BTC [+]
14:55	ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21ud3m/looks_like_darkwallet_was_a_scam_xpost_thehub/
14:55	ozbot	Looks like Darkwallet was a scam [x-post TheHub] : Bitcoin
14:55	the20year2	lies
14:55	mircea_popescu	lol
14:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00094826 = 50.8741 BTC [-] {3}
14:57	pankkake	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/report-rsa-endowed-crypto-product-with-second-nsa-influenced-code/
14:57	ozbot	Report: RSA endowed crypto product with second NSA-influenced code | Ars Technica
14:58	asciilifeform	pankkake: seems like just more crap re: EC_DRBG
15:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
15:01	benkay	ThickAsThieves: software is hard. whocouldanode.
15:01	asciilifeform	benkay: software isn't hard. let's not go shopping.
15:01	benkay	man this is what i have to say to people who crowdfund software: http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/johnny-cash-finger-2.jpg?w=700
15:02	benkay	sure, it's never the actual software.
15:02	benkay	it's the estimation, constraints, fractal nature of coastline, overreaching ambitions, unmanaged expectations...
15:03	asciilifeform	...and folks who don't even bother, and scamplan from beginning.
15:03	benkay	i want to ship a shitload of features! it's going to cost 500B.
15:03	asciilifeform	'i promise to ship a shitload of xxxx. send me xxxB.'
15:04	benkay	another thing is, as i said to my colleague recently re a contractor: "ain't nobody motivated by money in the bank."
15:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00095001 = 21.5652 BTC [+] {2}
15:05	mircea_popescu	now that's definitely a thing.
15:05	mircea_popescu	"There is an empirical problem with the debate over United States military strategy towards China: aircraft carriers are “dead,” but they can still be seen patrolling the Western Pacific."
15:05	benkay	this is very similar to the constant ongoing mining fiasco and how product tends to get delivered (in my extremely limited experience): "you ship a thing. it shows up on my door. if it works, 30 days later i send you a check. otherwise, get out of my face."
15:06	mircea_popescu	well obviously. the us can't quite afford to abandon the notion
15:06	mircea_popescu	benkay sounds a lot like a mp quote :D
15:06	benkay	this in fact is how we run our shop. we sit down, figure out what crazy ideas you have, how to make them into an actual thing, and then work on it at a predetermined rate for a period of time.
15:06	benkay	then we bill you.
15:06	benkay	"great artists steal"
15:06	benkay	fifteen days after the postmark date, we expect to see remuneration.
15:07	benkay	that's essentially net 45. think of the float you could be making on our backs!
15:07	mircea_popescu	lol myeah.
15:07	joecool	that's basically groupon's business model
15:08	joecool	except they don't do anything but hold the money for awhile and gamble before paying the merchants
15:10	mircea_popescu	more complicated than that. the groupon business model was basically to try and create a scale advantage on both ends.
15:10	mircea_popescu	specifically : supermarkets exist to scam consumers, because the supermarket is large, so it can tell any small farmer to stfu and get lost
15:10	mircea_popescu	and it can similarly tell any town dweller to stfu and starve.
15:10	mircea_popescu	this allows them to buy everything very cheap and sell it as expensive as they want.
15:10	mircea_popescu	this is sam walton's business idea, really.
15:11	the20year2	The reason they exist is because the consumers demanded year-round goods
15:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00095196 = 38.1736 BTC [+] {5}
15:11	mircea_popescu	many lines aren't amenable to the supermarket model, but groupon tried to bring them into the same economics.
15:11	mircea_popescu	had it succeeded to make it so "all the buyers are on groupon", it's model of "give us everything for free" would have worked on the merchants.
15:11	mircea_popescu	and vice-versa, of course.
15:12	joecool	it still works for some merchants that don't have access to their own in-house mailing list
15:12	joecool	to gain exposure, it's just not as big as hoped for
15:13	mircea_popescu	the20year2 moreover, that's phase 2 material. obviously the supermarket can train the clueless consumer in a number of ways to build a moat around itself.
15:13	mircea_popescu	but this recent "can't eat an apple with a spot" neurosis is not naturally occuring in human populations.
15:14	the20year2	Certainly is if the population is to continue to grow, if you continue on with less efficient methods of food delivery people starve
15:14	mircea_popescu	meanwhile, independent romanian farmers sell 5% milk for 0.5 lei, and 1.5% milk is on sale in the supermarkets for... 6 lei.
15:14	mircea_popescu	that's a 95% margin for the supermarket.
15:14	the20year2	Median supermarket margins in the US are 15%
15:15	mircea_popescu	the20year2 that data is corrupted, and milk is a fine example.
15:15	mircea_popescu	try and make a farm selling milk at cost +15% in say california.
15:16	mircea_popescu	(they recently had a case about how illegal all this is)
15:18	jurov	oh, we have better rackets
15:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06401564 = 0.5761 BTC [-]
15:18	jurov	billa moves unsold produce from austria here
15:18	jurov	and sells it here for higher price
15:19	jurov	every time i'm shopping in austria i must fight rage, everything is really fresher
15:19	mircea_popescu	lol
15:21	mircea_popescu	i don't think i've ever bouight supermarket-anything
15:21	mircea_popescu	but it's fucking ridiculous that i have to maintain a private supply network in fucking 2014
15:21	mircea_popescu	you'd think it's 1984 all over again or some shit.
15:22	benkay	or 1300
15:22	benkay	your castle needs a supply chain
15:22	benkay	what's so novel about that?
15:22	benkay	the rest of us grub in the dirt for spuds.
15:22	benkay	doesn't sound so novel.
15:23	mircea_popescu	yes well for crying out loud.
15:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 8000 @ 0.0075 = 60 BTC [+]
15:25	jurov	fortunately, farmers sell over internet now
15:27	benkay	vegetables in the mail for bitcoin
15:27	benkay	also stop spraying veggies with water
15:27	benkay	fucking stupid.
15:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 14 @ 0.0075 = 0.105 BTC [+]
15:27	benkay	"fresh!"
15:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04600136 = 0.138 BTC [-] {2}
15:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+] {2}
15:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] {2}
15:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.046 = 0.184 BTC [-]
15:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [+]
15:36	mircea_popescu	http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/sequestration-will-hollow-our-military-8776
15:37	ozbot	Sequestration Will Hollow Our Military
15:38	mircea_popescu	"On alert, this tattered, morally compromised army was to clear post in under an hour, move to its defensive positions on the West German border with the Warsaw Pact, fight outnumbered five to one and win. Such odds were daunting."
15:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-]
15:40	the20year2	your point?
15:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59083335 = 3.545 BTC [-] {4}
15:41	mircea_popescu	that the us army at no point past ww2 had a standing chance in europe.
15:41	the20year2	Very much correct, it was always assumed to go nuclear within 24hrs of the outbreak of conflict
15:42	mircea_popescu	yeah, that's what the planning mostly planned for.
15:42	mircea_popescu	anyway, just some retired something or the other harping about how expensive and hard it is.
15:43	the20year2	to secure europe from the evil russian bear?
15:43	benkay	blackwater will eventually own texas, much like the roman mercs ate the empire.
15:43	thestringpuller	no march MPOE statement?
15:43	pLambert	"In 1974, one could easily find company-sized organizations in U.S. Army Europe" wth does the US have so many troops in Europe?
15:44	the20year2	To prevent steamrolling of western europe from Wpac
15:44	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller since the option thing is ended ima report it end of month line normal assets.
15:44	jurov	thestringpuller MPOE is suspended
15:44	benkay	no options, no statement, thestringpuller. who cares, anyways? it's a scam under investigation by the SEC. doomed, I tell you (to enjoy the new scion TC!)
15:44	mircea_popescu	pLambert i suspect it was part of the marshall plan
15:44	pLambert	and a corrolary: why do we STILL have so many troops in Europe?
15:44	mircea_popescu	because yougotta pay to play.
15:45	mircea_popescu	if some guy in my neighbourhood decided to go around telling everyone he's the bestest there is, i'd also expect him to send a nubile young woman around for purposes with some frequency.
15:46	the20year2	benkay: what stock?
15:46	Mats_cd03	funny enough, some countries wont admit to liking having american troops on their soil
15:46	mircea_popescu	course not.
15:46	Mats_cd03	but they like having american money flowing into local economies
15:46	Mats_cd03	laugh
15:46	the20year2	arms exports/imports is a nice money maker
15:47	benkay	keybase blowback ramping up: http://blog.lizdenys.com/2014/03/31/refusing-to-verify-myself/
15:47	benkay	the20year2: logs, man. gotta read 'em. sometimes just like 20 lines back.
15:47	pLambert	this guy bitching about "sequestration", has the US defense budget actually gone down at all? I thought we were still spending more every year?
15:48	mircea_popescu	pLambert nop but he has a point. it went down very little overall but it cut very badly.
15:48	the20year2	guess i'm just not seeing it
15:48	the20year2	pLambert: yes, it's set to diminish by a decent amount due to iraq, afghanistan and drawdowns
15:49	benkay	in inflationary regime, static budgets are cuts, pLambert
15:49	the20year2	Granted, in my personal opinion (As controversial as it is), it's like every other government program, cutting things that are important, expanding things that buy votes
15:49	pLambert	And he thinks we should spend just as much, even though we are not actually fighting anybody?
15:49	the20year2	The budget is 600-650b, and they want to decrease it to around 500b
15:49	mircea_popescu	benkay wait, that's not your girl, is it ?
15:49	pLambert	grr, politics makes me angry
15:50	the20year2	By reducing manpower, officer corps, cutting basic programs, ect
15:50	mircea_popescu	pLambert his intuition is correct, in that the us has no economy, and no technical ability. cutting the army is like cutting its own throat.
15:50	benkay	mircea_popescu: naw man i like 'em effeminate and making dinner not deep in the server room.
15:50	the20year2	Which I have a problem with, when programs like LCS and the F35 are front and center taking up significant sums of money for low results
15:50	bounce	re minimum crime, how does upping the crime rate increase the incentive not to go into crime?
15:51	mircea_popescu	bounce take whores. if there's a whore on every corner and prices are low, is your pretty daughter more likely or less likely to start cutting class for to taking it up the tail ?
15:51	pLambert	is F35 the one which was designed to fight against russians and has never been used?
15:51	mircea_popescu	yeah.
15:52	mircea_popescu	and by the latest reports couldn't fight against the russians even if it wanted to.
15:52	the20year2	The airplane that does nothing more than the plane we built in the early 90s for $200m/unit
15:52	bounce	dunno. "everyone's doing it, it's fun!" appears to be a powerful motivator.
15:52	mircea_popescu	but that's not the real edge. the guy selling it to her is more likely to not bother, is the real edge.
15:53	mircea_popescu	thinking the girl acts of her own volition is a little rich.
15:53	Mats_cd03	i rather appreciate whats being done with the f35 personally
15:53	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 how's that go ?
15:53	the20year2	compared to the f22/yf23?
15:53	mircea_popescu	benkay so maybe tell her about this marvelous wot thing we got ? liz i mean.
15:53	Mats_cd03	maybe in 30 years we'll be fielding Transformers models of Starscream
15:54	Mats_cd03	(yes i know starscream is an f-15)
15:54	bounce	whether it's her girlish friends pulling her in or a pimp looking for more meat to sell is a different mechanism but with the same effect; question then is which'll be stronger
15:54	jurov	i heard funny hypothesis that f35 is chinese inside job to bleed usg dry
15:54	Mats_cd03	well no i think the project is cool and i dont have a lot of problems with pouring R&D money into potentially useful technology
15:54	the20year2	corrupt politicians vying for money to their districts makes alot more sense
15:54	bounce	likewise, getting robbed often enough is a strong incentive to no longer run a shop (or at least not here, or maybe not a jeweller but a gunsmith, who knows)
15:54	Mats_cd03	even if its basically a laundry list of cool shit we want our super plane to have
15:54	the20year2	I'm curious what signfiicant tech the f35 produces that the f22/f35 didn't have
15:54	mircea_popescu	bounce and wide availability and a commodified market reduces the pull.
15:55	Mats_cd03	well, vtol for one
15:55	mircea_popescu	a vtol fighter jet ? srsly ?
15:55	Mats_cd03	or for that matter, svtol
15:55	mircea_popescu	why not make it submersible ?
15:55	bounce	it'll be inferior to the harrier, like as not.
15:55	Mats_cd03	that'd be awesome, we should do that next
15:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04683348 = 0.1405 BTC [+] {3}
15:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05635341 = 0.1127 BTC [+] {2}
15:56	bounce	thunderbirds are go!
15:56	mircea_popescu	how about also making it cockshaped ?
15:56	Mats_cd03	balla balla
15:56	mircea_popescu	a submersible flying penis with missiles.
15:56	jurov	it should be able to to burrow, too
15:57	mircea_popescu	i would imagine that's how it lands.
15:57	bounce	yeah no, I don't think it's straight up incentive, or at least not as strong as implied as there's strong pull the other way too. eg gangs don't extinguish themselves
15:57	Mats_cd03	anyway, not all the f-35 series planes are the same
15:58	Mats_cd03	e.g. one (two?) isnt a fighter jet
15:58	bounce	f35 is a brilliant scam, actually. getting permission to deliver production planes when the prototype hasn't had its maiden flight
15:58	Mats_cd03	f-35 is useful for air to surface, whereas f-22 is designed for air to air
15:58	Mats_cd03	it has had its maiden flight... a long time ago
15:58	mircea_popescu	bounce it's a balance point. the whole idea is that stable situations are stable, and derivation from that mean is unstable.
15:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05670783 = 0.1134 BTC [+]
15:59	mircea_popescu	nothing much harder than that.
15:59	Mats_cd03	http://www.military.com/video/aircraft/jet-fighters/first-f-35b-vertical-takeoff-test/2397060192001/ VTOL
15:59	ozbot	First F-35B Vertical Takeoff Test | Military.com
16:00	bounce	oh I get the point that there'll be some equilibrium or other (pterry's vetinary letting the crime guild regulate the crime) but I don't think the equation is that simple
16:00	bounce	s/ary/ari/
16:00	Mats_cd03	is so majestic *tear
16:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0568957 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2}
16:01	mircea_popescu	bounce inasmuch as it's not even an equation.
16:01	mircea_popescu	but in general, the crime guild does much better a job of regulating crime than any other guild.
16:01	mircea_popescu	the usual problem is that there's no capable criminals to make a guild in the first place, nothing else.
16:02	bounce	alright, an inequality, and there's an epsilon, but sheesh.
16:02	jurov	wait, the VTO is only for short distance move?
16:02	bounce	leadership isn't easy to come by, no. random democratic and/or republican countries haven't managed it in a long time for the usual positions either
16:03	mircea_popescu	right.
16:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.0009498 = 18.6161 BTC [-] {2}
16:03	asciilifeform	'keybase' is still alive!?
16:03	jurov	such fail. two heli blades would likely be lighter and more efficient
16:03	asciilifeform	what does it need to do, fly the 'full spectrum dominance' squid flag?
16:03	ThickAsThieves	MArck Cuban is a finance expert now?
16:03	ThickAsThieves	“The risk isn’t so much about the small investor,” Mr. Cuban said. “The risk is all these different high-frequency traders playing a game with their algorithms, trying to trick each other, to get in front of each other to make that trade.
16:03	ThickAsThieves	“And because we don’t know all the algorithms, because we don’t know the end factorial and all of the different ways they may interact, there are negative consequences that occur as a result. That introduces a market risk. That market risk has an unquantifiable cost. We saw it in one instance with the flash crash. We see it every day with little mini-flash crashes.”
16:03	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform liz is a naive chick.
16:03	Mats_cd03	jurov for some relative value of short, it doesnt go very far and i dont think you can carry much of a payload either
16:04	asciilifeform	http://b-i.forbesimg.com/kashmirhill/files/2013/12/octopus-rocket-copy.jpg
16:04	Mats_cd03	its certainly not as efficient as the chinook
16:04	bounce	if I'd wanted to be mean I'd point out that the space shuttle looked spiffy enough but didn't do a very good job of shuttling, n'mind at a suitably low price tag. not that hard to argue it set humanity's progress toward colonising space back a good score years or so.
16:04	Mats_cd03	(fastest fixed-wing craft in the army iirc due to two rotors)
16:05	bounce	the f35 is made of the same sort of undeliverium
16:06	mircea_popescu	bounce do argue.
16:06	asciilifeform	shitanium chassis, unobtainium semiconductors...
16:06	Mats_cd03	if murica didnt want politicians building airplanes, they shoudnt have elected politicians to build airplanes
16:06	bounce	where's that piece reporting on the incoming chief de mission that dug a bit and found fscktons of rot?
16:07	kakobrekla	<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate) < perhaps, but thats is not the reason people fell for them
16:07	mircea_popescu	true, true.
16:08	mircea_popescu	as a selling point it's perhaps innovative. surely beats ken slaughter's garage.
16:08	kakobrekla	yes
16:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17847 @ 0.00094786 = 16.9165 BTC [-] {2}
16:09	bounce	explains it better than I could. if reduced at absurdum it's inevitably too expensive to ever fly well, and it very much looks like lockheed martin deliberately aimed for that because a project that looks it'll succeed Real Soon Now but never really does is the ultimate goose with the golden eggs for the military industrial complex
16:11	mircea_popescu	bounce in the end this isn't such a very good argument.
16:14	kakobrekla	<ThickAsThieves> kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it < get to werk then!
16:15	mircea_popescu	Like the US garrison in West Berlin, aircraft carriers are relatively defenseless, but they have a separate function as a highly visible warning about US resolve. Today, a strategy of mobile “tripwires” is neither credible nor prudent, but it is worth studying because it may actually be implemented.
16:15	mircea_popescu	Specifically, our bargaining chip against Beijing is to make things uncomfortably apocalyptic. The point is less what the carrier can do and more what an attack on it promises—full retaliation, and a war that may quickly get out of hand. As ASPI analyst Harry White observed last month [11], “the idea is that anyone who attacks as valuable an asset as a US carrier should expect a significant response.” Internation
16:15	mircea_popescu	ally, a successful strike would deeply wound American prestige, especially if it went unanswered. Domestically, the deaths of six thousand crewmembers would generate almost unbearable political pressures for revenge. Our entries into WWII and the Global War on Terror were sparked by less.
16:15	mircea_popescu	this is basically... cruisin' for a bruisin'.
16:20	asciilifeform	'It was he who invented
16:20	asciilifeform	_Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier.
16:20	asciilifeform	_Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended
16:20	asciilifeform	up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand.
16:20	asciilifeform	The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was
16:20	asciilifeform	then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were
16:20	asciilifeform	enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm.
16:20	asciilifeform	The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of
16:20	asciilifeform	the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where
16:20	asciilifeform	any subcontractors might fall.
16:20	asciilifeform	The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It
16:20	asciilifeform	would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the
16:20	asciilifeform	state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and
16:20	asciilifeform	it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside.
16:20	asciilifeform	In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting
16:20	asciilifeform	the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required
16:20	asciilifeform	turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every
16:20	asciilifeform	hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of
16:20	asciilifeform	the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling,
16:20	asciilifeform	the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft
16:20	asciilifeform	skirt required.
16:21	asciilifeform	Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There
16:21	asciilifeform	were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck,
16:21	asciilifeform	would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and
16:21	asciilifeform	millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and
16:21	asciilifeform	commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day
16:21	asciilifeform	_Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator
16:21	asciilifeform	who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica
16:21	asciilifeform	while the bill was railroaded through.
16:21	asciilifeform	From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans
16:21	asciilifeform	which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so
16:21	asciilifeform	powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created
16:21	asciilifeform	dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested
16:21	asciilifeform	expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to
16:21	asciilifeform	solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding
16:21	asciilifeform	agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out
16:21	asciilifeform	before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they
16:21	asciilifeform	found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to
16:21	pLambert	ack, wth asciilifeform, use a link
16:21	asciilifeform	accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it
16:21	asciilifeform	would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source
16:21	asciilifeform	(though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered).
16:21	asciilifeform	Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs
16:21	asciilifeform	had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the
16:21	asciilifeform	entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course
16:21	asciilifeform	the project had too much momentum to cancel, but unless there were visible
16:21	asciilifeform	results, trimming would begin. Doddly went before a Congressional committee to
16:21	asciilifeform	argue eloquently for his monster. He pointed to valuable spin-offs: the
16:21	asciilifeform	Department of Agriculture now knew much more about binding topsoils. But
16:22	asciilifeform	secretly he was worried, as his diary showed:
16:22	asciilifeform	'
16:22	asciilifeform	'It was he who invented
16:22	asciilifeform	_Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier.
16:22	asciilifeform	_Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended
16:22	asciilifeform	up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand.
16:22	asciilifeform	The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was
16:22	asciilifeform	then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were
16:22	asciilifeform	enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm.
16:22	asciilifeform	The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of
16:22	asciilifeform	the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where
16:22	pLambert	oh shit, he is repeating the whole thing again
16:22	asciilifeform	any subcontractors might fall.
16:22	asciilifeform	The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It
16:22	jayk	oh dear
16:22	asciilifeform	would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the
16:22	asciilifeform	state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and
16:22	asciilifeform	it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside.
16:22	asciilifeform	In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting
16:22	asciilifeform	the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required
16:22	asciilifeform	turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every
16:22	jayk	my eyes cannot keep up with this shit
16:22	asciilifeform	hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of
16:22	asciilifeform	the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling,
16:22	asciilifeform	the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft
16:22	asciilifeform	skirt required.
16:22	*	jayk screams
16:22	asciilifeform	Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There
16:22	asciilifeform	were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck,
16:22	asciilifeform	would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and
16:22	asciilifeform	millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and
16:23	asciilifeform	commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day
16:23	asciilifeform	_Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator
16:23	asciilifeform	who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica
16:23	asciilifeform	while the bill was railroaded through.
16:23	asciilifeform	From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans
16:23	asciilifeform	which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so
16:23	asciilifeform	powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created
16:23	asciilifeform	dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested
16:23	asciilifeform	expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to
16:23	pLambert	guesses as to whether it will repeat a third time?
16:23	asciilifeform	solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding
16:23	asciilifeform	agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out
16:23	asciilifeform	before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they
16:23	asciilifeform	found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to
16:23	asciilifeform	accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it
16:23	asciilifeform	would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source
16:23	asciilifeform	(though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered).
16:23	benkay	asciilifeform: would you pastebin?
16:23	Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, you should /part
16:23	asciilifeform	Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs
16:23	asciilifeform	had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the
16:23	asciilifeform	entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course
16:23	jayk	good riddance
16:23	Apocalyptic	benkay, I assume it wasn't an intentional paste
16:24	thestringpuller	benkay: stop being a hippie
16:24	jayk	lol
16:24	joecool	lawl asciilifeform just ruined some days
16:24	benkay	thestringpuller: go back to the ghetto
16:24	benkay	wb asciilifeform :)
16:24	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform donation... -> 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb
16:25	asciilifeform	how much
16:25	bounce	http://www.alternet.org/fail-400-billion-military-jet-cant-fly-cloudy-weather?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark http://www.pogo.org/blog/2013/02/why-the-f-35-lightning-cant-fly-in-lightning-yet.html and perhaps http://www.pogo.org/blog/2014/02/heres-what-60-minutes-didnt-tell-you-about-the-f-35.html
16:25	ozbot	Fail The $400 Billion Military Jet That Can't Fly in Cloudy Weather | Alternet
16:26	mircea_popescu	afaik it was up to the malfeasant
16:26	bounce	a little perspective here, some tidbits there, add it together and the picture isn't pretty
16:26	bounce	can't recall if this is what I recalled, but it sounds familiar
16:27	asciilifeform	https://blockchain.info/tx/b649dbbd792cd03e6a472e53596877a08e41053a6078595ce712c37935445742
16:27	ozbot	Bitcoin Transaction b649dbbd792cd03e6a472e53596877a08e41053a6078595ce712c37935445742
16:27	asciilifeform	mea culpa.
16:28	asciilifeform	1btc for the motherland.
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16:29	mircea_popescu	inb4 we discover haxxors got it.
16:29	asciilifeform	lol
16:33	asciilifeform	where do these go anyway
16:33	mircea_popescu	i would imagine to kako's beer fund
16:34	asciilifeform	should be good for a small barrel.
16:34	mircea_popescu	prolly pay for the wiki
16:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}
16:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04643898 = 0.1858 BTC [+] {4}
16:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}
16:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00388001 = 0.194 BTC [+]
16:37	diametric	asciilifeform: what is that?
16:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}
16:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00095014 = 33.4924 BTC [+]
16:39	artifexd	What is the precedent for asciilifeform's donation? I don't see anything about it in http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
16:40	mircea_popescu	artifexd i dunno, it's been illo tempore policy that people accidentally spamming or otherwise unintentionally misbehave contribute to the port fund
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16:41	artifexd	Interesting
16:41	asciilifeform	unwritten tradition
16:43	bounce	re strangecoin, I get the feeling I can stop reading after this: ``Of course, when I give you a dollar for a burger that's not really a zero sum transaction, because otherwise we wouldn't be motivated to enter into the transaction in the first place.'' -- conflating currency-mediated transactions with barter
16:43	asciilifeform	strangecoin?
16:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.0009496 = 23.2652 BTC [-] {2}
16:44	bounce	http://digitalinterface.blogspot.ca/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html
16:44	ozbot	digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency
16:45	mircea_popescu	if people's understanding of cuisine are on par with their understanding of basic economy, suddenly food in the us is explained.
16:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1722 BTC [+] {2}
16:46	bounce	.oO( BurgerCoin )
16:46	mircea_popescu	so i wonder if teh numerous sikrit agents dutifully scraping this are also dutifully scraping my in-guild rift convos.
16:46	mircea_popescu	memo : teh in-game chat systems are often abused to move sikrits!
16:46	mircea_popescu	come one come all, i just kicked inactives and we're down to like 800 members nao. taking all comers.
16:46	bounce	so TISAC, then
16:49	mircea_popescu	;;google tisac
16:49	gribble	TISAC | Home: <http://www.tisac.org/>; TISAC Handbook - Ravenscroft School: <http://www.ravenscroft.org/uploaded/Athletics_Docs/TISAC_Handbook.pdf>; TISAC | Thailand International Schools Activity Conference: <http://www.tisacthailand.org/>
16:50	bounce	;;google (TINC)
16:50	gribble	tinc wiki: <http://www.tinc-vpn.org/>; download - Tinc: <http://www.tinc-vpn.org/download/>; Tinc (protocol) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinc_(protocol)>
16:50	bounce	nope. no easy google for you.
16:52	mircea_popescu	lolk
16:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.045151 = 0.1355 BTC [-]
16:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05670683 = 0.1701 BTC [-]
16:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]
16:57	Duffer1	!t h rent
16:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00666000 / 0.00749925 / 0.00750000 (14052 shares, 105.37944000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00718566 / 0.00750000 (18781 shares, 134.95392746 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00607372 / 0.00900001 (60333 shares, 366.44601440 BTC)
16:57	benkay	now is that the old tranche or the new tranche, the20year1?
16:58	benkay	!l h rent
16:58	assbot	Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.0075 BTC [+]
16:58	benkay	or are they all the same now?
16:58	Mats_cd03	anyway, a final word regarding the f-35 vs f-22 conversation...
16:58	Mats_cd03	the two are meant to work together as envisioned by the usaf
16:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3617 @ 0.00095014 = 3.4367 BTC [+]
16:59	mircea_popescu	so wait a damned second.
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16:59	Mats_cd03	similarly to how the f-15 and -16 worked together in a mix of relative low and high tech
16:59	mircea_popescu	"someone" bought 105 btc worth of rent at 0.0075 today,
16:59	mircea_popescu	but the same someone didn't buy 30 btc worth of rent all week
16:59	mircea_popescu	in spite of it trading around 50ish for the entire interval ?
16:59	mircea_popescu	how's this stuff work ?
17:00	ThickAsThieves	magic, mostly
17:00	ThickAsThieves	same way it worked for btcgarden?
17:00	ThickAsThieves	buy your own shit, momentum!
17:01	mircea_popescu	nuts.
17:01	Duffer1	wasn't rent trading halted during that period?
17:02	bounce	too bad for the US' alies then that the f22 is too advanced to be exported even to NATO partners
17:02	punkman1	how do you even IPO twice? sounds like an oxymoron
17:04	mircea_popescu	punkman1 2po
17:05	ThickAsThieves	this is the 3rd or 4th offering i think
17:05	bounce	Many PO
17:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738997 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}
17:14	mircea_popescu	"Listen porky...
17:14	mircea_popescu	If Danny really wanted to scam people, he would have done that right after the IPO but he didn't. He went ahead and invested money in setting up the office, hiring staffers, media campaigns, buying POS devices, sending his hired staffers to conferences and so on.
17:14	mircea_popescu	He could have taken off with all the money right after the IPO but he didn't."
17:14	mircea_popescu	what IS the word there anyway, any pdfs yet ?
17:15	kakobrekla	pdfs? those you have to read. gimme flash.
17:15	bounce	can't you stuff flash in pdfs these days?
17:15	kakobrekla	dunno, prolly with a powerpoint plugin
17:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22098 @ 0.00094912 = 20.9737 BTC [-] {2}
17:17	bounce	actually acrobat supports way beyond what's decent for a pdf reader
17:17	benkay	acrobat a whore
17:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00095014 = 11.5442 BTC [+]
17:24	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/ffbf07618e347c111177a02c2337f684/tumblr_ml8d0boKTx1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg
17:24	benkay	great tits on that one
17:24	mircea_popescu	indeed.
17:25	benkay	man so i have this pm who'd love nothing more than to get my guys fired
17:25	benkay	we're expensive etc
17:25	blackwhite	http://corner.squareup.com/2014/03/square-market-accepts-bitcoin.html
17:25	ozbot	Square Market Accepts Bitcoin
17:25	benkay	sets us up for a deploy this afternoon
17:25	benkay	ten minutes before scheduled deploy
17:25	benkay	'HOLD THE PHONES B I FORGOT TO INFORM ADMIN STAFF ABOUT DEPLOY WAIT WAIT WAIT'
17:26	benkay	mind you i've already sent the executive team the 'deploy briefing' email i'm in the habit of sending out before deploys...
17:26	benkay	in conclusion, i have determined that the PMs incompetence is undermining his malice.
17:26	benkay	either that or he's playing some crazy game i don't understand.
17:27	benkay	('executive team')
17:27	benkay	*sigh*
17:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3993 @ 0.00095014 = 3.7939 BTC [+]
17:28	mircea_popescu	blackwhite yeah was announced yest no ?
17:29	blackwhite	no we announced it today
17:29	mircea_popescu	i coulda sworn
17:30	Mats_cd03	that was stripe
17:30	mircea_popescu	><
17:30	mircea_popescu	it was. my bad.
17:30	blackwhite	yeah they are doing it in beta
17:31	benkay	for whom has accepting bitcoin been a big business booster?
17:31	benkay	ostock?
17:31	mircea_popescu	blackwhite so you actually working for square ?
17:31	blackwhite	TigerDirect
17:31	blackwhite	they claim they saved more than 10K in fees alone
17:33	benkay	it's like consumer 'any txn we can get' ------------------------ elite '1 tx of 5m every two or three months'
17:33	benkay	nobody making serious bank with it.
17:34	pankkake	so what? less fees less fraud, why would you not do it?
17:34	mircea_popescu	^
17:35	mircea_popescu	it may not make much sense for brick and mortar small businesses a la meze grill
17:35	mircea_popescu	however, for an online retailer ? lifeline.
17:35	mircea_popescu	just the fact that nobody can chargeback you and pp can't hold your wallet at ransom and that;s enough for anyone sane.
17:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
17:35	benkay	gotta have the business first tho. no sense in "its gonna work 'cause bitcoin"
17:36	pankkake	I spent a week trying to verify my "identity" with a french paypal-like
17:36	mircea_popescu	course gotta have the business first.
17:36	mircea_popescu	pankkake since bitcoin my response to any sort of such thing is lol.
17:36	mircea_popescu	and perhaps, if i feel in a good mood, "get in the wot"
17:36	mircea_popescu	but mostly, lol.
17:36	pankkake	since they did not read the text I was sending them, I ended up sending a goatse
17:36	Apocalyptic	lol
17:37	pankkake	and did the order again, but with another payment method
17:38	ThickAsThieves	<blackwhite> no we announced it today /// you work for Square?
17:38	ThickAsThieves	if so, props to Square for having you in here
17:38	ThickAsThieves	whether incidental or not
17:38	joecool	ThickAsThieves: http://www.linkedin.com/in/thompete
17:38	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i originally asked him because i was going to give him a 1 if he can prove it, but seems he ignored it for some reason
17:39	ThickAsThieves	maybe he wasnt sposed to say so
17:39	blackwhite	hey yeah sorry
17:39	blackwhite	yes I work for Square
17:39	mircea_popescu	can you prove it ?
17:39	blackwhite	haha why should I prove it?
17:39	blackwhite	I don’t understand
17:39	ThickAsThieves	cuz we care
17:39	joecool	shoe on head
17:40	benkay	you've made a claim, blackwhite.
17:40	ThickAsThieves	if you care to say such things, what's wrong with proving it?
17:40	benkay	if you hadn't made a claim, that'd be a different story.
17:40	blackwhite	Just a curius question
17:40	mircea_popescu	yeah, "cuz we care" i guess.
17:40	benkay	but this zone is filled with scammers who won't substantiate their claims.
17:40	blackwhite	ahh ok
17:40	benkay	we're hostile to unsubstantiated claims.
17:40	joecool	blackwhite: a picture with shoe on head will suffice
17:40	blackwhite	i see
17:40	benkay	what is this we nonsense
17:41	benkay	I'm hostile to unsubstantiated claims.
17:41	pankkake	I didn't understand it that way
17:41	ThickAsThieves	we are a hive mind, in early stages
17:41	mircea_popescu	joecool lol whats with you and shoes
17:41	benkay	nope.jpg
17:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00094771 = 19.8545 BTC [-] {2}
17:42	benkay	just a motley collection of individuals, with individual tastes and preferences.
17:42	joecool	mircea_popescu: many of the girls you post in here lack shoes, i am trying to solve a shortage of shoes in pictures
17:42	mircea_popescu	ic
17:42	ThickAsThieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8gzua-K_E
17:42	ozbot	The Lost Boys (4/10) Movie CLIP - One of Us (1987) HD - YouTube
17:42	mircea_popescu	benkay you know you're my sock, why fight it
17:42	benkay	you guys want to hear something stupid?
17:42	pankkake	but all shoes aren't equal
17:43	benkay	i'd rather be hacking on a bitcoin thing and not getting paid right now.
17:43	mircea_popescu	ahaha
17:43	benkay	instead
17:43	benkay	i'm staring at my email, billing by the quarter hour, waiting for someone to drop the ball hard enough for me to call off a deploy on my own.
17:43	pankkake	benkay: why not? unless you don't have enough to pay the bills
17:43	mircea_popescu	pankkake the girl won't approve.
17:43	benkay	relationships are important
17:43	pankkake	getting fired isn't hard either
17:43	benkay	not really a good idea to say 'fuck it' mid deploy conversation.
17:44	benkay	pankkake: it's also my shop.
17:44	pankkake	oh, right. not a thing I'd tell my parents either
17:44	benkay	oh ho ho up yours too
17:44	benkay	i don't know man. i think relationship with this client calls for a little subtlety
17:45	benkay	finesse
17:45	ThickAsThieves	deprogramming
17:45	ThickAsThieves	manipulation
17:45	ThickAsThieves	finesse
17:45	benkay	yeah they definitely need less programming that's for sure
17:45	benkay	fewer tickets
17:45	Mats_cd03	hi this is dog
17:45	benkay	better tickets
17:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
17:46	Mats_cd03	i can verify i am dog with shoe on head
17:46	ThickAsThieves	the RENT is too damn high!
17:46	Mats_cd03	more data to follow
17:47	kakobrekla	lol tat
17:48	mod6	haha
17:48	artifexd	mircea_popescu "Take a picture with a shoe on your head" is a thing redditors use to prove that you are who you say you are.
17:48	benkay	artifexd: started with 419ers
17:48	kakobrekla	until bakewell changed it to a sock
17:48	artifexd	That doesn't surprise me in the least.
17:48	blackwhite	well my blog is http://www.000fff.org (black&White)
17:48	benkay	http://i.imgur.com/BfECj.jpg
17:49	blackwhite	and my twitter handle is @hello_world
17:49	Jason	joecool in rl
17:52	mircea_popescu	artifexd much older than reddit. yes.
17:53	artifexd	knowyourmeme says it started in 2006. Wow
17:53	mircea_popescu	blackwhite send me email from your comp account, for instance.
17:53	mircea_popescu	artifexd im pretty sure it's pre dotcom.
17:54	Jason	blackwhite: i hear you're the squareup man?
17:54	blackwhite	i just work there
17:54	Jason	blackwhite: ah
17:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095014 = 11.9718 BTC [+]
17:56	Jason	blackwhite: well, my account was banned in 2013 for being 'high risk'. when I contacted support, they simply didn't respond to me. luckily, all of this happened before I switched my entire business to Square (my account was several months old, though). had I of completely switched to Square before I was banned with no explanation, it would have probably ruined my business.
17:57	Jason	blackwhite: as I mentioned, support is ignoring me. do you have any suggestions?
17:57	Mats_cd03	lol.
17:57	ThickAsThieves	seems you figured it out Jason
17:57	ThickAsThieves	dont use Square
17:57	ThickAsThieves	btw this Square news, it's only for their online marketplace right?
17:58	ThickAsThieves	not the app
17:58	blackwhite	yeah
17:58	blackwhite	Sorry to hear that Jason
17:58	ThickAsThieves	why the half-measure?
17:58	Jason	i'd love to use Square. being an internet sales business, it'd benefit me greatly.
17:58	Jason	just, being banned with no explanation of what might have caused the ban and being unable to contact support? well... yeah.
17:58	Jason	that
17:58	blackwhite	Not sure why you can’t get through. Did you try twitter and phone?
17:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12740 @ 0.00095014 = 12.1048 BTC [+]
17:59	Jason	er - that's a little concerning
17:59	Jason	blackwhite: as I remember it, in 2013 they didn't have phone support?
17:59	Jason	blackwhite: i did try twitter and my tweet (twat? whatever they call it) went ignored, too
18:00	blackwhite	I see.
18:00	Jason	blackwhite: of course I know i'm just picking on you, but hey - maybe you'd be able to give me some pointers.
18:01	blackwhite	did you try this https://squareup.com/help/en-us/contact
18:01	blackwhite	yeah of course it
18:01	blackwhite	s totally fair you ask me
18:01	blackwhite	sorry I can’t be of bigger help.
18:02	Jason	i did and never got a response. i'll try again. maybe they changed stuff around
18:02	mircea_popescu	twat lol
18:02	Jason	blackwhite: can't initiate the email
18:03	Jason	blackwhite: Payment card processing permanently deactivated. Click to read Square's Seller Agreement
18:03	Jason	won't even let me email them. :p
18:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095345 = 9.7252 BTC [+] {2}
18:07	mircea_popescu	Jason lol what did you exactly do ?
18:08	ThickAsThieves	probly SR vendor
18:08	Jason	mircea_popescu: not a clue
18:08	Jason	ThickAsThieves: nop
18:09	Jason	ThickAsThieves: did /nothing/ even questionable. tbh, i mainly used it for quick transfers between my bank accounts :P
18:09	ThickAsThieves	monbey laundering
18:09	ThickAsThieves	terrorist!
18:09	Jason	ThickAsThieves: that's what i'm trying to do. they won't tell me what i did for 'security reasons' :-p.
18:10	Jason	ThickAsThieves: oh. not trying to do /that/. it was transfers between my own bank accounts! ;)
18:10	ThickAsThieves	if we tell you, you will know how not to get caught next time
18:10	ThickAsThieves	terrorist.
18:10	Jason	you caught me.
18:10	Jason	:(
18:11	Jason	A++++++ support
18:11	ThickAsThieves	maybe now i can for for Homeland Security
18:11	Mats_cd03	hey now, we have enough us agencies watching this channel already
18:11	ThickAsThieves	i'm good at this
18:11	ThickAsThieves	work*
18:11	bounce	you'd like as not turn out overqualified
18:11	benkay	what, you're going to rep the DHS now ThickAsThieves ?
18:12	Jason	Mats_cd03: probably true
18:12	Jason	lol
18:12	ThickAsThieves	cant have terrorist like Jason using Square to launder money, now can we?
18:12	Jason	ThickAsThieves: guess i'll have to stick to bitcoin
18:12	Jason	argh
18:12	Jason	darn
18:12	bounce	there's too many agencies anyway. whatwasitagain, 1200-odd agencies with some sort of "terrism" link?
18:12	mircea_popescu	Jason url btw ?
18:12	Jason	mircea_popescu: for?
18:12	ThickAsThieves	round bitcoin, Square hole
18:12	Mats_cd03	irs, sec, fbi, dhs?
18:12	mircea_popescu	this shop of yours ?
18:12	Mats_cd03	maybe the cia uses -otc from time to time
18:13	bounce	why would they? they're running entire banks dedicated to laundring and everything else they instituted AML/KYC CYA BS elsewhere for.
18:14	Jason	mircea_popescu: doesn't work since i'm banned :-P
18:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0009539 = 12.0668 BTC [+] {2}
18:14	Mats_cd03	buying things from the paranoid, i imagine
18:14	mircea_popescu	Jason uh so you no longer have a shop now ?
18:14	Mats_cd03	0days they cant ask the nsa for, perhaps
18:14	bounce	peddling tin foil hats? -- now that might be an interesting niche. tin foil hats for bitcoin.
18:15	Mats_cd03	(i'm pretty baked and wildly speculating here)
18:15	benkay	Mats_cd03: you druggie
18:15	bounce	they'd have their own contract with vupen and whoever else sells these
18:15	Mats_cd03	what are drugs
18:16	kakobrekla	wasnt this discussed like a day or two ago
18:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [-]
18:16	kakobrekla	we should add it to wiki.
18:16	bounce	"stuff you buy at the drugstore"
18:17	kakobrekla	also sausage department for nubbins.
18:17	kakobrekla	anyway, carry on.
18:18	Jason	mircea_popescu: i do, but i can't take it online yet
18:18	Mats_cd03	so you came to bitcoin-assets for square support
18:18	mircea_popescu	ahahah forum rules.
18:19	mircea_popescu	person 1 : "I personally don't believe that Neo&Bee is a scam, but very well said. Just becuase there is an easier way to steal money that the scammers passed up doesn't mean it's not a scam."
18:19	mircea_popescu	person 2 : "Good to head you think Neo is legit."
18:20	Namworld	Forum server if it had an AI: "Please, help, oh why!? Stop feeding me this type of data!"
18:20	mircea_popescu	we're lucky there's no hard ai.
18:21	mircea_popescu	"Even if Neo ends up failing and Cyprus central bankers win this battle, they've managed to change the world forever. The Bitcoin awareness in Cyprus will not go away even if Neo fails and that counts for something. I know I was part of that as an investor and helped build that to some extent. On the other hand MPEx will go down in history as the clown who badmouthed the competition and riding some donkey in Egypt."
18:22	mircea_popescu	it must suck to suck.
18:22	mircea_popescu	how the fuck is neobee competition o.o
18:22	Namworld	No idea
18:22	bounce	didn't get big enough before failing
18:22	kakobrekla	not a donkey is it.
18:23	Namworld	I stopped questioning why people say certain things long ago.
18:23	mircea_popescu	Namworld im not that advanced yet.
18:23	Namworld	I probably spew nonsense regularly too anyway. I just let it be unless I feel like debating the topic.
18:23	mircea_popescu	interesting argument tho, re "the awareness that won't go away".
18:24	mircea_popescu	i wonder to what degree things actually work that way.
18:24	Jason	Mats_cd03: i came to -assets to share my story of being randomly banned with no explanation and being completely denied support. had my business of been in full swing with square, it would be a rather large problem.
18:24	mike_c	it has some validity. marketing is repetition repetition..
18:24	mircea_popescu	Jason extremely difficult claims to verify you see.
18:24	mike_c	obviously neo&bee was not supposed to simply be an ad campaign for bitcoin.
18:24	mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah but what if the awareness they raised is "bitcoin is an undependable scamfest"
18:25	bounce	re donkeys: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne_0x3a__The_Digital_Donkey.aspx
18:25	mircea_popescu	i guess we'll actually be deriving some benefit from the ineptly handled neobee shareholder piggybank,
18:25	mike_c	i don't think they got that far in penetrating the consumer consciousness.
18:25	mircea_popescu	in that we'll see if in 2015 or 2020 cypruss is above or below the norm
18:25	mike_c	but they have now heard of bitcoin, and next time it will be the second time.
18:26	mircea_popescu	there's also many cultural factors at play. for instance, in a culture which is fundamentally defeatist and patently insane, like romania's,
18:26	mircea_popescu	having failed is actually much better than having succeeded.
18:26	mike_c	i am not defending his retarded veiwpoint though. "it's ok because neo&bee ran ads".
18:26	bounce	so, what're you doing, failing by succeeding?
18:26	mike_c	mircea_popescu: same as silicon valley :)
18:27	mircea_popescu	bounce i have no idea. the entire national pantheon is basically neobee like scammors. ie, various rebels promising independence from x or y or z
18:27	mircea_popescu	then failing miserably but having ballads made about how cool they were
18:27	mircea_popescu	it's really not at all different from forum mentality.
18:27	Mats_cd03	lol
18:28	Mats_cd03	a surprising number of national origin stories are basically that
18:28	mircea_popescu	i mean... guys like iancu jianu. ex road robber, caught, tried, sentenced to hang, saved by ancient rule that noble virginz may save a convicted felon by marrying him
18:28	bounce	well I s'pose that gave you a bit of a headstart "researching" the bitcoin zoo
18:28	mircea_popescu	became small time country landed gent.
18:28	Jason	mircea_popescu: hey - get me in touch with someone @ square and we'd figure it out! :)
18:28	Mats_cd03	except the scrub that barely made it is in fact the hero of old
18:28	Mats_cd03	(in the retelling)
18:29	bounce	what, there's still a vaguely functioning feudal system going on?
18:29	mircea_popescu	where ?
18:30	Mats_cd03	i guess you could say afghanistan and somalia were vaguely functioning feudal systems in the last few decade
18:31	Mats_cd03	^decades
18:31	bounce	oh, that guy appears to've been dead for a good 150 years. oh well.
18:31	mircea_popescu	i suppose all of central asia is feudal
18:31	mircea_popescu	probably latin america slowly coming to modernism
18:31	mircea_popescu	bounce 1700s yeah
18:32	mircea_popescu	anyway. "cyprus central bankers" win this battle god help us.
18:32	mircea_popescu	that guy must be some sort of a plant.
18:33	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/ee7769d9609cf8cc7c3a05a45da49821/tumblr_mkv3mdeUC81s0ryyvo1_500.jpg
18:33	mircea_popescu	pic relatively related.
18:37	mircea_popescu	moiety http://imgur.com/gallery/g6X7e
18:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00095418 = 3.5305 BTC [+]
18:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.0009544 = 21.14 BTC [+] {2}
18:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00095502 = 10.6007 BTC [+] {2}
18:43	only	any movie recommendations, folks?
18:44	antephialtic	genre?
18:45	only	drama?
18:45	pankkake	bitcoin: the movie
18:45	only	lol
18:45	Mats_cd03	inside man, stasiland, attack the block
18:45	Mats_cd03	the raid 2
18:46	kakobrekla	'Dead man' is 1/3 drama.
18:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 124 @ 0.0075 = 0.93 BTC [+]
18:47	kakobrekla	'The limits of control' as well
18:52	only	kakobrekla: jarmusch fan? :)
18:52	kakobrekla	i wouldnt say a fan
18:53	only	thanks, 'the limits of control' it is
18:55	kakobrekla	imagine you went to a gallery when you watch it :)
18:59	tg2	ponzidoge round startign in 1m
18:59	tg2	watch the fireworks
18:59	tg2	address-wrapper
18:59	tg2	ponzidoge.com *
19:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61791308 = 1.2358 BTC [+] {2}
19:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00576 = 0.3168 BTC [+] {2}
19:05	moiety	well hello sane people in here
19:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0009534 = 11.3455 BTC [-] {2}
19:14	TestingUnoDosTre	.d
19:14	ozbot	5.007 billion | Next Diff in 862 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.6559% in 5d 2h 33m 34s
19:16	moiety	lolol mircea_popescu business cat, Yorkshire version // also http://i.imgur.com/575U3WI.gif
19:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0009553 = 11.177 BTC [+]
19:17	TestingUnoDosTre	wow that mouse was good at acting
19:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05738997 = 0.2296 BTC [+] {2}
19:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0451525 = 0.1806 BTC [+] {2}
19:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05738997 = 0.2296 BTC [+] {2}
19:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] {2}
19:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0451 = 0.1353 BTC [-]
19:21	nubbins`	what's going on with log.b-a?
19:21	nubbins`	the order of the words is all fucked up
19:21	mircea_popescu	nubbins` what ?
19:22	mircea_popescu	ajhahaha
19:22	mike_c	log.b-a is doge now
19:22	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lampelina broke it!!11
19:22	kakobrekla	seems fine here
19:22	nubbins`	now click a timestamp
19:22	mircea_popescu	"mircea_popescu: made cool ballads failing but miserably how then about having they were"
19:22	kakobrekla	must be ur browsers
19:22	nubbins`	it rearranges 'em, still wrong
19:22	mircea_popescu	sounds like someone's googletranslate me
19:22	mircea_popescu	"mircea_popescu: but were ballads about made miserably they then having cool how failing"
19:23	antephialtic	yeah, is this some kind of silly april fools joke? the log makes it look like this is #bitcoin-yoda
19:23	nubbins`	23:21:29nubbins`:on what's log.b-a? going with
19:23	mike_c	obfuscation to prevent spying
19:24	nubbins`	00:08:39asciilifeform:thinking modern of pc bounce: was i
19:24	nubbins`	ahahahah.
19:24	moiety	bahahahahaha
19:24	mike_c	1 2 3 4 5
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19:24	moiety	dear oh fuck
19:24	nubbins`	mircea_popescu:fifty lines ? you babies up weren't starving
19:25	nubbins`	leel
19:25	moiety	almost got it there
19:25	mircea_popescu	lmao this all started with asciilifeform beerbucket
19:25	nubbins`	this is awesome
19:26	nubbins`	kakobrekla i much prefer it this way, don't fix it
19:26	mircea_popescu	these words of sorted randomly r they perhaps into sense coallesce through of sortage log method ?
19:26	moiety	i cant even go back to see that now mircea_popescu lol
19:26	mircea_popescu	maybe it's a method to fix my forum quotes.
19:26	mircea_popescu	i put stuff from the forum in here, read it destupidified in log
19:27	moiety	that forumite speak
19:36	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/a3aedb2f647e9395c5fc9a66e6d6d621/tumblr_mkfz4rxTzm1re7tkoo1_1280.jpg
19:36	KRS-One	HAWT!
19:36	mircea_popescu	(the teacher is the one without thge baby fat)
19:37	nubbins`	https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1966347_10152341397792174_1401187864_o.png
19:37	nubbins`	^ yay
19:37	pankkake	this was deleted by a bitcointalk mod: http://pastebin.com/SvkANZjZ
19:37	pankkake	yet stalking people is ok, as another mod told me
19:37	tg2	davout is getting jealous
19:37	pankkake	scammy as fuck
19:38	tg2	pankkake, learn2sock
19:38	pankkake	learn2berelevant
19:38	tg2	http://sockpuppettheatre.com/video/trolling-101/
19:38	ozbot	TROLLING 101 | SockPuppet Theatre
19:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7535 @ 0.00095303 = 7.1811 BTC [-] {2}
19:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32802 @ 0.00095344 = 31.2747 BTC [+] {4}
19:41	KRS-One	She indeed is ready for some lessons.
19:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 120 @ 0.00388001 = 0.4656 BTC [+]
19:43	mircea_popescu	pankkake odd.
19:43	pankkake	what's odd is how old the message is, too
19:43	pankkake	is there a list of moderators?
19:44	pankkake	I'd like to know who banned crumbs and kakobrekla too
19:44	mircea_popescu	not afaik.
19:44	mircea_popescu	just use the .lk thing and be done with it
19:44	pankkake	yeah, scammers prefer to be hidden
19:44	mircea_popescu	it'll autopost to the scampit.
19:44	pankkake	https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bitcointalk/ gives me "not found"
19:45	mircea_popescu	there was some github
19:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0009473 = 19.1355 BTC [-] {2}
19:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82198 @ 0.00094697 = 77.839 BTC [-] {6}
19:58	kakobrekla	i doubt anyone who should be reading is reading .lk
19:59	kakobrekla	so meh
19:59	mircea_popescu	it posts across tho
20:00	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla simple ban avoiding technique : make .lk account, link it to bitcointalk.org account
20:00	mircea_popescu	if .org acount is banned, make new one, link it again
20:03	kakobrekla	not much of a gain just using org directly with moar accounts
20:03	kakobrekla	gain over *
20:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15102 @ 0.00094639 = 14.2924 BTC [-]
20:04	mircea_popescu	posts become undeleteable.
20:04	mircea_popescu	i guess they are anyway
20:05	mircea_popescu	but the political angle is important, that shit must die.
20:05	asciilifeform	gentlemen, lol! perhaps the log should stay like this
20:05	moiety	btctalk needs to become deleteable on the whole
20:05	mike_c	you are directly supporting bitcointalk by paying someone to create high quality posts there. seems contradictory.
20:05	tg2	lol, ltcponzi 700 ltc in 15 seconds
20:06	mircea_popescu	mike_c i am aware. won't last very long really.
20:07	mircea_popescu	was looking for a way out for a while. reducing .org to the status of a lousy scrapper of .lk seems perfect.
20:08	mike_c	that cesspool hardly needs killing. it's already a wasteland.
20:09	mike_c	i think it is admirable to try to provide a path out of there through mpoe-pr, but if they don't want it..
20:09	mircea_popescu	there are two separate problems here.
20:09	mircea_popescu	one is that people generally are stupid. this, we knew going in, not a problem.
20:10	mircea_popescu	the other is that theymos & co are scammers.
20:10	mircea_popescu	this needs resolving.
20:10	antephialtic	yes, I agree. Forum should have an entrance exam
20:10	mike_c	you can't have an entrance exam. everybody starts off stupid.
20:10	tg2	IQ test
20:10	antephialtic	it should include a study guide
20:11	tg2	2 week course
20:11	tg2	$500
20:11	tg2	get crypto certified
20:11	mike_c	if you want to kill bitcointalk, you need to create a new forum. it will fill with retards eventually, but it would solve the second problem.
20:11	mircea_popescu	antephialtic the problem with any exam that doesn't also include a firing squad is that it creates a class of niggers.
20:11	mircea_popescu	mike_c .lk.
20:11	antephialtic	on basic principles of bitcoin. to eliminate people who aren't capable of learning, and to make sure that people who get in aren't asking the most basic of questions
20:11	mike_c	and it can't be on b-a :) bad juju
20:12	antephialtic	HUR DUR whats a change address DERP
20:12	asciilifeform	this actually reminds me of something fairly foolish that i almost did
20:12	asciilifeform	at one point, i worked on a 'destupidator' (actual working title) - sort of like a 'captcha', but based on the 'raven matrix' iq test.
20:13	cazalla	i dunno antephialtic, that seems a reasonable question to me for someone new to bitcoin
20:13	antephialtic	cazalla: that should be on the entrance exam
20:14	antephialtic	I'd rather have a forum for the 20% of competent people using bitcoin, than a wasteland for those unwilling or uncapable of learning
20:15	antephialtic	they are free to hang out on reddit
20:15	cazalla	how can they learn if they need to be learned to pass the exam prior to accessing the forum?
20:15	antephialtic	exam includes a study guide
20:15	asciilifeform	cazalla: exam for write-access
20:15	cazalla	all you really need to do is restrict post ability for 6-12 months
20:16	cazalla	oh ok, that makes sense then asciilifeform
20:16	antephialtic	no. I want smart/motivated individuals to be able to post right away
20:16	mike_c	you are describing b-a. study guide is the wiki.
20:16	antephialtic	b-a is great, but there is a lot of benefit to a threaded discussion format
20:16	pankkake	what about requiring referals?
20:17	asciilifeform	here's another crackpot idea. a very 'slow' mailing list, where it costs 1 btc to post. a few days later, you get it back on the sending addr - if you're nice.
20:17	asciilifeform	s/nice/intelligent
20:17	BCB	is Andreas M. Antonopoulos a core dev?
20:18	antephialtic	BCB: no, he's the glenn beck of bitcoin
20:18	antephialtic	or rather, the rush limbaugh
20:18	BCB	antephialtic: why is he writing "Mastering Bitcoin" for 0'Reily
20:18	mike_c	mircea_popescu: was that shorthand for "that's what i'm doing with .lk"? i don't think that works, because the high quality content you influence to go to .lk also ends up in their forum. it's not competition.
20:18	cazalla	he's not even a media contact to much butthurt for him
20:18	nubbins`	pankkake: referrals? sounds like goat's forum
20:19	nubbins`	someone name a movie
20:19	mircea_popescu	antephialtic there's a diference between clueless and stupid.
20:19	mircea_popescu	nubbins` all about eve.
20:19	nubbins`	is it as depressing as the bicycle thieves?
20:19	mircea_popescu	no.
20:19	mircea_popescu	it's hollywood not italian new wave
20:20	nubbins`	good, 'cause that was a real downer
20:20	mircea_popescu	BCB bitcoin core devs are the folks at conformal.
20:20	antephialtic	mircea_popescu: the clueless are redeemable so long as they educate themselves. the stupid are not capable of contributing useless discussion and should be left to rot on reddit
20:20	mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah, it is actually.
20:21	mircea_popescu	nubbins` downer yeah. good film tho
20:21	nubbins`	agreed
20:22	antephialtic	mircea_popescu: have you messed around with conformal's btcd?
20:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00095224 = 20.3779 BTC [+]
20:24	mircea_popescu	maybe :p
20:25	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226#post-5730195
20:25	ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 226 | Bitcointa.lk
20:25	mircea_popescu	mike_c looks like your wish may well be granted.
20:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04687499 = 0.2344 BTC [+] {2}
20:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05560028 = 0.278 BTC [-] {3}
20:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
20:26	mike_c	lol. awesome response.
20:27	kakobrekla	kako sets the fashion trend
20:28	mircea_popescu	lol
20:30	pankkake	"MPOE-PR perma-banned. His only option to get his account back is an appeal to theymos."
20:30	pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010465#msg6010465
20:30	ozbot	Please remove this user from this forum.
20:30	tg2	lol
20:30	kakobrekla	he is not fucking around.
20:31	mircea_popescu	i guess we're going to tune in to .lk for further mpoe-pr posts.
20:31	nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010465#msg6010465
20:31	nubbins`	ha
20:31	ozbot	Please remove this user from this forum.
20:31	antephialtic	honestly speaking, mpoe-pr is pretty inflammatory, but speaks the truth
20:32	kakobrekla	i guess you all will be wearing shoelacesless shoes by t he conference.
20:32	antephialtic	unfortunate that the forum users fail to see that
20:32	tg2	yes IP bans are effective obv
20:32	mike_c	so someone creates a thread to get herp banned, and that dipshit bans mpoe-pr instead. classic forum.
20:32	tg2	why couldn't the otc/vouch system work for a forum?
20:32	tg2	you have to get invited by a member with positive rep
20:32	mircea_popescu	it's pretty much the system that sunk -otc into irrelevancy, so...
20:32	mircea_popescu	at least idiots are consistent.
20:33	nubbins`	tg2: that's what goat did with his forum
20:33	nubbins`	it's pretty dead there
20:33	mircea_popescu	goat has a wot now ?
20:33	tg2	the general public is pretty dumb
20:33	tg2	it never amazes me at the success of the most blatant scams
20:34	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: cryptocrypt.org
20:34	kakobrekla	cryptocryptcry
20:34	mircea_popescu	nubbins` a wot i mean.
20:34	nubbins`	ah
20:34	mircea_popescu	anyway, i had a forum on the old polimedia domain, same principle, also pretty dead.
20:34	nubbins`	i was thinking in terms of "u wot m8"
20:35	tg2	maybe a simpler wot
20:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9498 @ 0.00095096 = 9.0322 BTC [-] {2}
20:35	nubbins`	anyway, membership in the forum is by invite only, and i think being rude gets you banned or something
20:36	tg2	we had a car enthousaist forum that had a "premium" section where members could pay and had to be invited to do so
20:36	tg2	it was pretty elite compared to the general scrubbery
20:37	tg2	sort of a one-way-glass type affair
20:38	mircea_popescu	honestly i don't see why .lk can't be used for exactly this purpose.
20:39	nubbins`	gigposters.com forums have a "premium membership" option for $20/year
20:39	nubbins`	you get access to a special subforum where people post plans for diy equipment
20:39	mike_c	50 people posting on bitcointa.lk is not going to kill btctalk.org.
20:39	nubbins`	and if you ask too many questions without VIP, people shame you and stop answering ;(
20:40	mircea_popescu	mike_c depends which.
20:40	mircea_popescu	i personally don't think there's any value in the forum format, but hey.
20:40	mircea_popescu	some people seem to.
20:41	mike_c	50 people posting exclusively on a forum could draw traffic, but i don't believe it works when the content is forwarded to the competition.
20:41	mike_c	it would be like if quora sent all their posts to yahoo answers.
20:42	mike_c	even that would be better, because at least quora wouldn't have all the shit. but bitcointa.lk does have all the shit too!
20:43	mike_c	it's like shit with a sprinkling of honey. i would bitbet this but it's not definable.
20:44	mircea_popescu	you don't HAVE to forward it.
20:44	mircea_popescu	you get all their shit copied over
20:44	mircea_popescu	and you can lol at it or w/e.
20:46	BingoBoingo	I really don't see the point of cross posting to the Thermos forum, if the aim is killing the pretense of its relevance
20:48	ThickAsThieves	Hey I'm gonna ban myself from the forum
20:48	ThickAsThieves	fuck that shit
20:48	ThickAsThieves	they have no good reason to ban people that are consistently right and alienated just because people wanna be delusional
20:48	asciilifeform	curious - am i the only one here who never posted to btct ?
20:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00094789 = 24.7873 BTC [-]
20:50	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i never posted either.
20:51	asciilifeform	that makes 2...
20:51	artifexd	Liar
20:51	artifexd	I was shocked to find posts by you. Granted, they were a few years ago. But still...
20:52	mike_c	everybody starts a newbie (except ascii)
20:52	asciilifeform	lol
20:53	asciilifeform	mike_c: i'm here by accident, really.
20:53	ThickAsThieves	there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010682#msg6010682
20:53	mircea_popescu	lol selfban party
20:53	mircea_popescu	artifexd i dun think so.
20:53	artifexd	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923;sa=showPosts <- Not you?
20:53	ozbot	Latest posts of: Mircea Popescu
20:54	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i think the traditional way to do it is making this post : https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226#post-5730195
20:54	mircea_popescu	give it some ritual lmao
20:54	mircea_popescu	artifexd nop
20:54	*	pankkake clicks "like"
20:55	artifexd	As it is not provably you, I can only accept your word and sit back down, corrected and humble.
20:55	ThickAsThieves	well, so I got on my soapbox before saying fuck you, oh well
20:55	mike_c	i think he is just forgetting. this certainly sounds like him :) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923;sa=showPosts
20:56	mircea_popescu	mike_c so do you.
20:56	mike_c	hah. perhaps in another year.
20:56	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla your forum wordmixer gave mpoe-pr a small heart attack lol
20:56	ThickAsThieves	really without mpoe-pr and friends, what's left there anyway?
20:58	ThickAsThieves	"bitcoinmagazine.com wants to use your computer's location Allow Deny"
20:58	ThickAsThieves	....
20:58	kakobrekla	hehe works as intended then :)
20:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10942 @ 0.00013798 = 1.5098 BTC [+] {8}
20:59	mircea_popescu	lol
21:00	mircea_popescu	http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Steve-Carell-Ellie-Kemper-Pop-Champagne-For-To-Celebrate-The-New-Year-.gif
21:15	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/please-remove-this-user-from-this-forum.292032/#post-5730099
21:15	ozbot	Please remove this user from this forum. | Bitcointa.lk
21:15	mircea_popescu	lol maged trying to be the sly cat.
21:15	mircea_popescu	bwahahaha
21:16	mircea_popescu	is this guy actually gmaxwell or just similarly spineless ?
21:17	BingoBoingo	Maybe a bit of both?
21:17	mircea_popescu	can you be a bit of both ?
21:20	BingoBoingo	Well, maybe there is some simple minded psychotic disease passing through people who think they moderate important parts of bitcoin infrastructure that just suck. And this disease is spread through fucking gmaxwell
21:20	antephialtic	?? why the hate for gmaxwell?
21:20	mircea_popescu	gmaxwell got laid ?!
21:21	mircea_popescu	impossibru
21:21	BingoBoingo	Well, maybe by Maged.
21:21	mircea_popescu	antephialtic not rly hate, but for the usual reason neckbeads fail to make it in human society.
21:21	mircea_popescu	he has those clammy qualities.
21:22	asciilifeform	neckbeard == fellow whom age has taught nothing?
21:22	antephialtic	ah, I have to admit I enjoy his opinions on cryptography related matters.
21:22	BingoBoingo	This stuff really pops up in most internet fora where the operators develop a pretense of importance and being cereal.
21:22	mircea_popescu	neckbeard = 30something male with poor hygiene, lack of socialisation and a monitor tan
21:23	mircea_popescu	antephialtic most neckbeards make excellent worhorses. doesn't mean anyone would want them i nthe house.
21:23	asciilifeform	richard stallman...?
21:24	antephialtic	a friend of mine works in the same building as stallman. says he does all kinds of weird shit in the office
21:24	mircea_popescu	i wouldn't go as far as rms.
21:24	mircea_popescu	guy's weird, but not desocialised.
21:25	antephialtic	but rms is a greybeard. a neckbeard who is respected widely for technical contributions
21:25	antephialtic	and has grown senile
21:25	mircea_popescu	well senility aside, there's more to it than that.
21:25	asciilifeform	rms is a special case. he used to be a fairly sociable creature before his motherland was burned to the ground.
21:25	mircea_popescu	there's a deep understanding of what humanity is all about, that someone as fucking weird as dostoievski could exhibit nevertheless
21:26	pankkake	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-litecoin-ltc-x11-hardfork-at-block-564-480.291272/ lol
21:26	ozbot	[ANN] Litecoin [LTC] X11 hardfork at block 564,480 | Bitcointa.lk
21:26	mircea_popescu	hm
21:27	pankkake	interesting experiment though - how could a hostile hardfork be received in bitcoin
21:27	mircea_popescu	old news tho neh ?
21:27	asciilifeform	i thought every alt was a 'hostile fork' ?
21:27	pankkake	of the code, not of the chain
21:28	mircea_popescu	pankkake https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450654561947369472
21:29	antephialtic	I think forking the chain is interesting, would give a lot of incentive for miners and users to switch if the tech was actually better
21:29	antephialtic	dogecoin has intentionally forked at least once to switch the block reward algo
21:29	mircea_popescu	a hardfork is a major event, but definitely not impossible.
21:29	antephialtic	but with bitcoin it would be a lot more dangerous as many merchants would get scammed while their were still multiple viable forks
21:30	antephialtic	would be very damaging to trust unless it was done extremely carefully
21:30	mircea_popescu	Hardforking BTC and LTC to X11 would be pretty awesome.
21:30	mircea_popescu	And it would be a great way to stick it to the mega banker elite class who invested billions in Asic hardware.
21:30	mircea_popescu	Wtf is the point of crypto if a bank can simply mine all the coins themselves, the entire point of crypto was to get away from elitist bankers
21:30	mircea_popescu	then again theres that consideration.
21:30	mircea_popescu	"bitcoin is here to solve my own problems!!1"
21:31	mircea_popescu	antephialtic how exactly would the merchants be scammed ?
21:31	asciilifeform	if one is to do something, even something foolish, it ought to be done right. cellular automaton proof-of-work.
21:31	antephialtic	mircea_popescu: you send them coins while they are still on the old chain
21:31	mircea_popescu	so ?
21:32	antephialtic	while double spending on the new chain
21:32	mircea_popescu	a hard fork is a political event. they get the old chain coins they chose.
21:32	mircea_popescu	or the new chain coins they chose.
21:32	antephialtic	yes, but many merchants don't know much about how bitcoin works
21:32	mircea_popescu	since the fork will NEVER resolve, tyhere's no scamming.
21:32	mircea_popescu	tough.
21:32	antephialtic	yes, but bad for everyone if less merchants accept it because they lose trust in the tech
21:33	mircea_popescu	a war is a war.
21:33	mircea_popescu	when people go to war, they couldn't care less about foreign markets or whatever the fuck.
21:35	antephialtic	also, the chain with the asics will have much better network security than the new X11 chain, so many rational merchants would stay
21:36	mircea_popescu	https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=18166.0
21:36	mircea_popescu	Here’s are the reasons:
21:36	mircea_popescu	We have not come across a proof of work algorithm that is truly ASIC-proof and quick to verify. All alternatives will only delay the problem, and at a considerable cost.
21:36	mircea_popescu	guy figured it out, apparently.
21:36	mircea_popescu	antephialtic in the case of the litecoin fork, yes.
21:36	asciilifeform	didn't i post a perfectly usable counter-example?
21:37	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform give them a decade. reading these logs is slow work.
21:38	antephialtic	asciilifeform: what are the characteristics of a cellular automaton PoW that make it resistant to an ASIC implementation?
21:39	asciilifeform	antephialtic: you can demand an arbitrarily-large 'playing field'
21:39	antephialtic	so memory hardness?
21:40	asciilifeform	antephialtic: correct. and, if you're clever, you can have difficulty ramp up to outpace any conceivable growth in vlsi density.
21:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00094634 = 36.1502 BTC [-] {3}
21:40	asciilifeform	so hashers are stuck using external dram - or even disk, if you're sadist
21:41	antephialtic	hah. If you want to require disk, you can do proof-of-storage instead of PoW
21:41	asciilifeform	nsacoin.
21:41	asciilifeform	no thanks
21:41	antephialtic	http://cs.umd.edu/~amiller/permacoin.pdf
21:42	antephialtic	sorry for the PDF
21:42	asciilifeform	the problem with any such experiment is that, ultimately, 'the race is to the swift.'
21:42	asciilifeform	and the lamers aren't going to like who that turns out to be
21:43	mircea_popescu	^
21:43	asciilifeform	that is, even a hypothetical permanently 'asic-proof' algo rewards... botnets.
21:43	mircea_popescu	there is the problem. it's all trying to somehow build equality out of technology.
21:43	mircea_popescu	cryptocoins are here to bring inequality back to its proper size
21:43	mircea_popescu	not in any way reduce it.
21:43	asciilifeform	there's possible merit to the experiment if you have a specific enemy in mind, who Must Die (tm), rather than some foggy notion of 'equality'
21:44	antephialtic	I don't think cryptocoins will make the world any more egalitarian. Probably less so, as their widespread use would deny the state a lot of tax revenue
21:45	antephialtic	but I think that is inevitable, and if it is going to happen, I'd rather end up at the top instead of getting crushed in the transition
21:45	mircea_popescu	antephialtic but the whole argument behind scrypt,. and behind asic-resistence, and all that jazz is "other people than us have better resources and are being rewarded for this."
21:46	antephialtic	and to that I say, that's just how the world works
21:46	pankkake	so altcoins are socialism?
21:46	mircea_popescu	it's pure jealousy, and well... that's not part of the laws of nature.
21:46	antephialtic	This guy gets it: http://blog.gardeviance.org/2013/11/a-spoiler-for-future-bitcoin.html
21:46	antephialtic	even if he doesn't like the outcome
21:46	mircea_popescu	pankkake not altcoins, but teh people bitching about how other people are eating "their" share of the pie are.
21:46	asciilifeform	if you're willing to sign under 'i wish victory to botnet artists but not semiconductor makers', you can work with that.
21:46	pankkake	yeah, I've seen that in people praising Bernankoin without getting it
21:48	mircea_popescu	antephialtic seems just a rehash of older material really.
21:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00094602 = 4.4463 BTC [-]
21:48	pankkake	by the way: http://blog.oleganza.com/post/79783931404/idea-of-a-useful-altcoin (last two paragraphs)
21:49	mircea_popescu	"Austerity measures will have taken the route of unprecedented and radical decimation of the state - everything from state provided healthcare to coastguards to income support to education will be practically gone replaced with numerous forms of bitcoin based insurance."
21:49	mircea_popescu	this is what, trilema cca 2012.
21:50	antephialtic	mp: I wasn't reasing trilema in 2012 :)
21:51	antephialtic	pankkake: I think that is wishful thinking
21:51	mircea_popescu	idiot b;logger.com. was gonna leave the guy a reply, but a well.
21:51	asciilifeform	i'm genuinely curious if any of the 'alt workfunction' folks are going for something other than 'equality!11'
21:52	antephialtic	mp: talk to him on twitter, he's pretty active
21:52	antephialtic	@swardley
21:53	antephialtic	pankakke: the solution to fixing bitcoin is not to make it more complex. that just increases the inertia of having multiple compatible implementations
21:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27002 @ 0.00094491 = 25.5145 BTC [-] {3}
21:54	pankkake	antephialtic: that's why I said last two paragraphs ;)
21:54	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/ < now you can read 2012 trilema antephialtic :p
21:54	ozbot	Bitcoin and the poor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
21:55	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ that too i guess
21:55	ozbot	The politics of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
21:59	KRS-One	.bait
21:59	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/d837eba941a57a96c6063c04b4b9ecfa/tumblr_n1mdnwSc7F1sajoh5o1_500.jpg
22:00	*	KRS-One presses random buttons on ozbot.
22:01	Jezzz	.bait
22:01	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/11ca367b44729fce0f7e80c22a9a5b55/tumblr_n14r651qYa1rudoyyo1_1280.jpg
22:01	Jezzz	.d
22:01	ozbot	5.007 billion | Next Diff in 837 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.2493% in 4d 22h 8m 25s
22:03	antephialtic	mircea_popescu: the first post was quite good
22:04	antephialtic	will be interested to see you two fight it out on twitter. his opinions (on politics at least) seem to be the polar opposite of yours
22:04	antephialtic	I'm sure this will be quite entertaining to you as well: http://blog.gardeviance.org/2014/03/how-to-fix-bitcoin.html
22:05	antephialtic	his recipe for how the government could "fix" bitcoin
22:05	antephialtic	his thoughts: "Now, whilst some might welcome the reduction in the state caused by a loss of taxation, the state is THE key economic driver of innovation, prosperity and social mobility. The laissez faire economic system is an extreme mindset of some of the more ardent supporters of Freidmanism and the Chicago School. There is no basis for assuming a beneficial society can be created without the state and in all likelihood i
22:05	antephialtic	t'll lead to a future consolidation of wealth, extremely low levels of social mobility and weak economic performance compared to countries that use a more mixed method. From a competition viewpoint this is not a good position."
22:06	MisterE	when was the last time a government "fixed" anything?
22:06	MisterE	seriously?
22:08	antephialtic	well, inventing the ARPAnet was one kind of cool thing
22:08	MisterE	Like lawyers and consultants they thrive on problems not on solving them heh
22:08	MisterE	ok I'll concede arpanet :)
22:08	Duffer1	nasa
22:08	MisterE	+2
22:08	Duffer1	that's all i got..
22:08	asciilifeform	it seems odd, to say the least, to lump together projects done on embezzled government coin, and ones planned/ordered by bureaucrats.
22:08	Duffer1	oh highways
22:09	MisterE	well the were nice but are fallig apart now
22:09	asciilifeform	same for any idiot organization - see history of 'unix'
22:09	MisterE	those grades are the most vluable though
22:09	MisterE	can be repaved or whatever
22:10	mircea_popescu	ahahaha diablo 3 apparently still thinks it exists, made update, costs 40 bux
22:10	asciilifeform	just about every interesting technology attributed to a mega-organization was done on 'stolen time.'
22:10	antephialtic	regardless of your thoughts on welfare, with regards to science their are many avenues of basic research that cannot be justified from a pure ROI standpoint yet have long term benefits to technological advancement. Such as the development of pure mathematics, etcetra
22:11	antephialtic	hard to see how such pursuits would be funded without a system of universities (and thereby the state that funds it)
22:11	MisterE	I wish when government funded that kind of research the first priority was not always to weaponize it if possible
22:12	asciilifeform	mr. mold had a good tidbit on this:
22:12	asciilifeform	'The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scient
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22:12	asciilifeform	ific Bondo, sanded to perfection and painted with meticulous care.'
22:12	asciilifeform	(http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html)
22:12	MisterE	you need a state with a surplus to do that too
22:13	mircea_popescu	antephialtic if you think the welfare state did anything for the advancement of pure mathematics...
22:13	mircea_popescu	look up perelman sometime./
22:14	antephialtic	mircea_popescu: not the welfare state, but the state, certainly
22:14	mircea_popescu	not at all.
22:14	mircea_popescu	the state is everywhere and all the time a drawback.
22:15	MisterE	the other thing about the 'intangible benefits' of research and exploration is that it inspires and this is so very much lacking in todays youth. When we were walking on the moon people were amazed and wanted to be engineers, nothing like that now. The biggest value to come out of the Apollo project was the increased interest in science.
22:15	mircea_popescu	not that people can't rehash the ancient arguments re the importance of the church and present them de novo in favour of the state.
22:15	mircea_popescu	but they're as false today as they were in 1700.
22:15	mircea_popescu	MisterE hunger inspires.
22:15	mircea_popescu	not "science".
22:15	MisterE	hunger inspires looking for food, not looking toward the stars heh
22:16	mircea_popescu	so you think.
22:16	mircea_popescu	but what would you know of it ?
22:16	mircea_popescu	nothing really, all the overfed know of hunger is their terror.
22:16	MisterE	nothing other than being a space enthusiast
22:17	MisterE	this topic comes up regularly in #space
22:17	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i'll patronize science just fine.
22:18	mircea_popescu	what i dislike is a bunch of fucktards going around with money that isn't theirs, muddying things up.
22:27	mike_c	omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic.
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22:28	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you gotta fix that thing srsly.
22:28	mike_c	it is funny though :)
22:29	kakobrekla	eh, let the girl have a day off
22:29	mircea_popescu	i dunno what i'll do tomorro morning.
22:29	mircea_popescu	maybe discover who satoshi really is...
22:31	mircea_popescu	antephialtic well your friend won't irc and i'm not about to argue with anyone on twitter, so i guess that's that.
22:32	antephialtic	eh, too bad
22:34	MisterE	Blogging is one thing and quick tweets are easy too but defending your positions in real time is another animal many are not prepared for.
22:34	MisterE	I've always been an IMer so prefer it
22:35	mircea_popescu	this is true.
22:37	antephialtic	agreed. additionally Many do not prefer to enter a potentially compromising conversation when the medium is written
22:37	antephialtic	if things go badly, the evidence will be everlasting
22:37	kakobrekla	anyway, just add ?stopitkako if you really need a clean log nao.
22:37	mircea_popescu	lol
22:38	mircea_popescu	wait was this for april fools' ?
22:38	kakobrekla	yea
22:38	mircea_popescu	awww!
22:38	mircea_popescu	well it is a cute joke lol
22:38	mircea_popescu	but thanks for the fix.
22:38	BingoBoingo	+2 Great troll
22:38	MisterE	oh yea, let the fooling begin!
22:39	mike_c	now do one on bitbet where all the weights flip!
22:39	ThickAsThieves	i enjoyed the garble, was a nice surprise reading logs on tablet
22:39	asciilifeform	is there really anyone left who doesn't understand that, if you're transmitting plaintext, 'the medium is written' always?
22:39	ThickAsThieves	these forum people now think my account was compromised
22:39	ThickAsThieves	this mentality is ...
22:39	ThickAsThieves	incurable
22:39	MisterE	lol just saw it great work kakobrekla :)
22:39	kakobrekla	thank you!
22:40	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform people have peculiar interactions with the voices in their heads. it leads to fascinating conclusions.
22:40	mircea_popescu	http://szabo.best.vwh.net/history.html << szabo kicks ass btw.
22:40	ozbot	History and the Security of Property
22:41	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recently i was reading some vintage dan mocsny (circa '91) and spotted szabo in the thread...
22:42	mircea_popescu	they got along ?
22:42	ThickAsThieves	jimmothy is disappointed in me
22:42	asciilifeform	more or less.
22:44	asciilifeform	https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.singles/5bYxszUQKDY/o8fkGj7yEzEJ
22:44	ozbot	Grupos de Google
22:44	antephialtic	a fool and his bitcoin are soon parted
22:45	asciilifeform	example of quality mocsny:
22:46	asciilifeform	https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.singles/5bYxszUQKDY/05P-h5JY6YEJ
22:46	ozbot	Grupos de Google
22:46	mircea_popescu	da fuck is this google groups bs
22:47	asciilifeform	not my fault these bozos bought the world's only reasonably-complete usenet archive.
22:47	asciilifeform	('dejanews')
22:48	mircea_popescu	le suck.
22:48	ThickAsThieves	new michael jackson album coming
22:49	ThickAsThieves	produced by timbland
22:49	ThickAsThieves	which means itll be great or horrible
22:49	ThickAsThieves	he does a pretty good job with timberlake'
22:49	ThickAsThieves	but i suspect the powers that be will pummel him into mediocrity
22:49	mircea_popescu	how is it a mj album
22:50	ThickAsThieves	unreleased tracks, redone music to be 'modernized'
22:50	MisterE	probably samples of unreleased studio stuff
22:50	pankkake	sounds fishy
22:50	ThickAsThieves	i'm surprised it took this long really
22:50	mircea_popescu	i wonder if this nonsense will become a trend.
22:50	decimation	guys someone who writes like dotcoin has hacked the log server and raped the logs!!!
22:50	ThickAsThieves	it's an old trend
22:51	mircea_popescu	decimation lol best 1 so far.
22:51	MisterE	indeed been around for a long time
22:51	ThickAsThieves	many posthumous albums come from the hip pop world
22:51	MisterE	2Pac and BIG all had multiple albums after death
22:51	MisterE	but 2_ac had actually laid down the tracks in a premonition of his upcoming death he went on a recording binge
22:51	mircea_popescu	bounce check it out mang, you're now famous http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=92
22:52	ThickAsThieves	nice quote
22:52	MisterE	Wonder if he recalls making it
22:53	ThickAsThieves	the past is the past, only time will tell
22:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00094463 = 14.3584 BTC [-]
23:04	cazalla	i wrote this song in 94'
23:08	artifexd	What the hell?!? http://www.reddit.com/r/celebs
23:08	artifexd	Oh. April Fools.
23:09	MisterE	artifexd: http://www.reddit.com/r/thewalkingdead
23:09	MisterE	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-ukraine-crisis-lithuania-idUSBREA2K1HP20140321
23:09	ozbot	Lithuania bans Russian TV station over 'lies'
23:10	mircea_popescu	.
23:10	mircea_popescu	lol wouldn't cn love to sell reddit.
23:11	pankkake	funny stuff, I was reading /r/thewalkingdead when they switched on the thing
23:12	diametric	mircea_popescu: reddit's not owned by cn anymore
23:12	diametric	as of august 2012 if I remember correctly
23:12	mircea_popescu	no ?
23:12	diametric	Though, CN's parent company still holds a significant portion of shares they're independently owned
23:13	mircea_popescu	still owned by advance
23:13	mircea_popescu	idun see much diff.
23:13	diametric	Maybe so, I vaguely remember at the time of it happening a lot of organization changes took place but its been a while now.
23:15	mircea_popescu	"Charlie Shrem, known for his alleged involvement in the Silk Road scandal, is in talks with US prosecutors for a plea bargain."
23:15	pankkake	http://www.coindesk.com/reddit-ceo-thinks-world-dogecoin-slams-crazy-bitcoiners/
23:16	mircea_popescu	"According to a March 28th filing in Manhattan federal court, Assistant U.S. Attorney Serrin Turner has asked for the 24-year-old Shrem’s case to be postponed until April 28th."
23:17	antephialtic	AKA shrem is talking
23:17	asciilifeform	'“It couldn’t be stupider, and that’s why it’s brilliant,” he concluded.' << me brain dumped core.
23:17	antephialtic	and probably trying to incriminate others
23:17	MisterE	only reason to talk
23:19	antephialtic	well the other guy, BTCKing is definitely the bigger prize for the state since he was actually laundering SR money
23:19	antephialtic	Shrem was just being used, and too negligent to realize
23:19	MisterE	oh I thought BTCKing was done in
23:20	MisterE	the whole gaggle of them are retarded and deserve what they get
23:24	ThickAsThieves	shrem is 24?
23:24	ThickAsThieves	he looks closer to 42
23:24	antephialtic	its the natural jew hair
23:25	antephialtic	and the smoking of too many substances
23:26	mircea_popescu	he's in his 20s. thermos too. most of them are too young for this shit rly.
23:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30811 @ 0.00094837 = 29.2202 BTC [+] {2}
23:28	decimation	asciilifeform: Wong would mock those who use microscopes as hammers; his sophistocated set only use bespoke polished turds
23:28	asciilifeform	lol
23:29	ThickAsThieves	hell i'm too young and too old for this
23:31	mircea_popescu	decimation you familiar with the bespoke fucksmith ?
23:32	MisterE	http://whitecollarfraud.blogspot.com/2014/03/update-on-bitcoin-money-laundering-case.html
23:32	ozbot	White Collar Fraud: Update on Bitcoin Money Laundering Case: Both Defendants Are Talking to the Feds
23:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48526 @ 0.00094378 = 45.7979 BTC [-] {5}
23:36	decimation	is that from oglaf?
23:36	decimation	Your link on trilema had me laughing for a few hours
23:37	mircea_popescu	yeah, they came up wirth it
23:37	mircea_popescu	now i can't see bespoke without thinking of it.
23:38	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9qxdcq1b01r1biako1_1280.jpg
23:39	decimation	http://freakonomics.com/2014/03/27/why-everybody-who-doesnt-hate-bitcoin-loves-it-full-transcript/
23:39	decimation	ANDREESSEN: One of the characteristics of a new idea is all the experts who came up in the old regime look at it and laugh...Almost exactly 300 years ago, a Scottish economist, ironically, named John Law basically invented at the time this crazy idea of paper currency or fiat currency. ... And every economist on the planet 300 years ago thought that he was a complete lunatic. And so I think this is just the story, the recurring story of how
23:39	decimation	progress happens.
23:40	decimation	Except, anyone who takes bitcoin seriously would also think that John Law is a lunatic
23:40	mircea_popescu	notrly.
23:40	mircea_popescu	i dun think so for instance
23:42	mircea_popescu	the problem with paper money run by a government is exactly the same as the problem with a bitcoin run by government.
23:42	mircea_popescu	but it's not of the paper.
23:42	decimation	it sounds like trying to grasp both poles of a contradiction
23:42	mircea_popescu	how do you mean ?
23:43	chetty	keyword = government
23:43	decimation	it seems like it's not possible for bitcoin to be run by a government
23:43	decimation	assuming some level of permability in cross-border communications
23:43	mircea_popescu	im sure when law was writing it wasn't directly obvious that the thing'll end up as a welfare scam either.
23:44	decimation	that's a good point
23:44	mircea_popescu	that aside, obviously the technology is better, crypto chain > paper issuance.
23:44	mircea_popescu	but in the same sense the tech of a pistol is better than the tech of a sword.
23:44	mircea_popescu	nothing wrong with either of the two, up until they're being brandished by a thief.
23:45	decimation	if bitcoin is the new Venice, will not bitcoin also eventually form its own customs and laws, like Venice?
23:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6169998 BTC [-]
23:45	mircea_popescu	and sink, like venice ?
23:46	decimation	probably
23:46	MisterE	at the time though paper was an technology upgrade to other mediums of exchange
23:46	mircea_popescu	anyway it's already forming its own customs and laws.
23:46	MisterE	so reasonable historically
23:46	mircea_popescu	MisterE the best part is this : at the time, if i told a proponent that "govt will just monopolize it" he'd just have loled at me. "what are you talking about, ANYONE CAN ISSUE PAPER"
23:46	mircea_popescu	well... at the time this was true.
23:46	MisterE	yea
23:47	mircea_popescu	it didn't last so long, and of course for "very good reasons" (tm)
23:47	decimation	that's a good poing
23:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 27 @ 0.10144642 = 2.7391 BTC [-]
23:47	MisterE	bitcoin comes with checks and balances built-in and can be upgraded
23:48	mircea_popescu	lol. so does paper.
23:48	decimation	meanwhile, the NY state regulator on bitcoin (from my link): LAWSKY: Yes, and I think my understanding and it was really from the day-two testimony when I asked that question again about programmable currency that that is one of the things that potentially you could have with the color coding. They also gave an example of a young person whose parents want to give them an allowance but want to make sure that it goes for certain things and not
23:48	decimation	other things.
23:48	decimation	sigh
23:48	mircea_popescu	you still gotta use them for them to work.
23:48	MisterE	heh in a way I guess
23:49	mircea_popescu	tech. 2000 years later, still not a silver bullet.
23:49	MisterE	there's no built-in check to the amount of fiat that can be created though
23:49	MisterE	so it's improving
23:49	mircea_popescu	MisterE in the same sense there's no built in check to the number of alt coins that can be created
23:49	MisterE	as fiat was an improvement over exchanging chickens and goats I guess
23:49	MisterE	true
23:49	mircea_popescu	fiat was not a replacement for barter
23:50	mircea_popescu	fiat grew out of goldsmith depositary receipts.
23:50	MisterE	I generally dont give alt coins much creedance but that may be a mistake
23:50	MisterE	no reason to say BTC will be the one that "wins"
23:50	mircea_popescu	but anyway, tis late. we'll continue... tomorrow. which is another day.
23:51	MisterE	nn
23:51	chetty	MisterE: bitcoin comes with checks and balances built-in and can be upgraded//like the US constitution
23:52	MisterE	yea problem there is no one has gotten of their ass and upgraded the constitution forever
23:52	decimation	http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/chartism.pdf "Conclusive facts are inseperable from inconclusive except by a head that already understands and knows."
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23:54	chetty	all good ideas get hijacked eventually. we just try to make best use of the window

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