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00:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
00:01	asciilifeform	at the risk of repeating, anyone concerned with boobytrapped hardware should actually take the time to think about /what it could actually do/ in their scenario
00:02	asciilifeform	e.g. what, exactly, does the enemy get if he can execute an arbitrary instruction instead of the next coming one, at a given time
00:02	BitcoinKike	I have a leak to the powerline.
00:02	asciilifeform	or what does he get if it broadcasts every 16th word fetched from ram
00:02	asciilifeform	or, or, or...
00:03	dignork	asciilifeform: is there any way to grep/search in log.bitcoin-assets.com ? I mean like a month range. I can hack together some crawler, but maybe there is on already.
00:03	asciilifeform	dignork: no idea
00:04	BitcoinKike	dignork: Try nao and ask kako's forgiveness later?
00:04	asciilifeform	continuing: for instance, a chip that enthusiastically pisses bits to the power rail is perfectly usable if it never gets to share its power rail with anything
00:04	asciilifeform	(runs off battery)
00:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.106 = 1.06 BTC [-] {2}
00:05	asciilifeform	a chip that is suspected of broadcasting more than its 'fair share' is pefectly usable inside a miniature faraday cage
00:05	asciilifeform	and likewise for one which is thought to receive (so long as the cage is in place, and likewise supply and ground rails are filtered)
00:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 92 @ 0.00316001 = 0.2907 BTC [-]
00:05	BingoBoingo	OMG Luke-Jr called me a kike <Luke-Jr> BitcoinKike: lack of transparency including proof of reserves
00:06	BingoBoingo	Fucking Guinea
00:06	asciilifeform	this is an actual subject and i cannot hope to make it fit into these sound bites
00:06	asciilifeform	but i really wish people had some actual picture in their head of what it means to distrust a hardware vendor
00:06	asciilifeform	beyond simple 'ritual unclean' voodoo.
00:06	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: We know, that is why I file down aluminum cans during downtime.
00:06	dignork	BitcoinKike: afraid to ask, nao? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nao_(robot) ?
00:07	Apocalyptic	I think he meant now
00:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.63749393 = 3.1875 BTC [+] {4}
00:08	BingoBoingo	dignork: Accept the definition that scares you the moast?
00:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.10500001 = 1.365 BTC [-] {4}
00:11	Luke-Jr	BingoBoingo: please do not slander me; there is a person by that name present
00:13	BingoBoingo	Everything is everything, unless it is nothing.
00:15	BingoBoingo	I feel like a pussy nao having only faced misdemeanot charges https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120969.0
00:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63929666 = 1.9179 BTC [+] {3}
00:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.000865 = 12.975 BTC [+] {2}
00:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059898 = 0.1198 BTC [-]
00:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059898 = 0.1198 BTC [-]
00:19	BingoBoingo	Remember, disorderlynes is a moral imperative
00:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086244 = 7.5895 BTC [-]
00:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.00499483 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {3}
00:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10217367 = 1.1239 BTC [-] {4}
00:22	benkay	pankkake: plz refresh assass feed. pushed to public too soon :(
00:22	BingoBoingo	benkay: Nevar too soon
00:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.1001 = 0.8008 BTC [-] {3}
00:23	benkay	no no there is a thing as too soon
00:23	benkay	too often, maybe not
00:23	KRS-One	.bait
00:23	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mafqg86ntz1qafu4to1_1280.jpg
00:23	benkay	bawww
00:23	KRS-One	that bait was gay
00:23	KRS-One	.bait
00:23	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/2ec1a84839ed639af3015e8b06bff00a/tumblr_mlf7w7QqoV1ruxnfbo1_1280.jpg
00:23	KRS-One	rawr
00:23	benkay	one of those girls has done this before...
00:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00490042 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {4}
00:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05863587 = 0.3518 BTC [+] {3}
00:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [-]
00:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
00:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00086116 = 12.3585 BTC [-] {2}
00:24	KRS-One	if you zoom in real close on the pubes of the girls in that pic you can get a good crotch shot
00:24	KRS-One	which one would you take? right or left?
00:24	benkay	right
00:24	benkay	TRICK QUESTION BOTH
00:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.64139124 = 5.1311 BTC [+] {6}
00:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34149 @ 0.00085914 = 29.3388 BTC [-] {2}
00:25	BingoBoingo	Remember ##mtgoc-statement is a total lolz factory ripe for pikinz
00:25	KRS-One	i would take the girl on the right, but i like blondes...the girl on the left has a fat pussy
00:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.646 = 3.23 BTC [+] {3}
00:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.10874999 = 0.435 BTC [+] {4}
00:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00499493 = 0.1299 BTC [+] {3}
00:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]
00:31	BingoBoingo	@BryceWeiner is so getting death by exile
00:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 314 @ 0.00056898 = 0.1787 BTC [+] {3}
00:34	BingoBoingo	##mtgox-statement is still a lulzmine
00:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1001 = 0.3003 BTC [-]
00:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00599 = 0.1378 BTC [+]
00:36	BingoBoingo	I'm going to sleep soon and hope I keep logging that channel, but backup is necessary, because that is a lulz goldmine
00:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1001 = 0.4004 BTC [-]
00:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05863591 = 0.2345 BTC [+]
00:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [-]
00:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.09613161 = 1.8265 BTC [-] {5}
00:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0936797 = 2.342 BTC [-] {8}
00:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.64552 = 3.2276 BTC [+] {3}
00:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00488998 = 0.1956 BTC [-]
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005999 = 0.5999 BTC [+]
00:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00599947 = 1.4999 BTC [+] {3}
00:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.006 = 0.486 BTC [+]
01:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4899 @ 0.00086464 = 4.2359 BTC [+]
01:03	hax0r42	how the hell did AM1 go up so much in 1 day?
01:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489997 = 0.2499 BTC [+]
01:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085893 = 3.8652 BTC [-] {2}
01:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00489998 = 0.343 BTC [+]
01:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64699 = 1.294 BTC [+]
01:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.000865 = 9.9043 BTC [+] {2}
01:15	bloctoc_	looks like all those puts are going to expire
01:15	BingoBoingo	bloctoc_: Looks like MPOE is in the money
01:16	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
01:16	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 578.47, vol: 16020.91139690 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 558.1, vol: 14394.81461 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 577.0, vol: 11047.20318012 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 590.06, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 566.081244, vol: 6372.01300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.350348155
01:17	bloctoc_	I've been looking at the price, seems good but one would have to sell bitbet to do such a thing
01:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.006 = 0.114 BTC [-]
01:17	BingoBoingo	Nah
01:18	BingoBoingo	The puts were sold to MPOE at what price?
01:19	bloctoc_	I don't know but it's in the bitcoin-assets archives a couple of days after the transaction
01:19	BingoBoingo	bloctoc_: It was repeated several times over those days
01:20	BingoBoingo	Fuck it, Imma sleep
01:20	bloctoc_	night
01:20	BingoBoingo	##mtgox-statement pissing me off beyond my vodka budget for a Thursday
01:22	bloctoc_	is there a way to verify mpex has possession of coins?
01:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00489998 = 0.3038 BTC [+]
01:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4000 @ 0.004614 = 18.456 BTC [-] {35}
01:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0048998 = 0.2058 BTC [+] {4}
01:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00489981 = 0.1911 BTC [+] {2}
01:43	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform gotta love it when the thesaurus is longer than the poem
01:44	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: the guy doesnt know they squated it themselves < clearly there's no relation between jesse and the gang.
01:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.636 BTC [-]
01:45	mircea_popescu	benkay: dat mpoe < what be you mathing thar ?
01:48	mircea_popescu	ninjashogun: anyone interested in startups here? << ahahaha epic.
01:48	mircea_popescu	isn;t this the guy who didn't have the time to either a) get with the program or b) read the indicated article detailing the unsuccessful attempts of the last nitwit who thought he's too good to do what he's told on the grounds of well... he's special ?
01:55	mircea_popescu	diametric: the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order << you happen to be familiar with the trials and tribulations of the public opinion during any of the large eastern european ponzi collapses ?
01:55	mircea_popescu	like the russki MMM, or romania's caritas (or later fni), or albania's rebellion of 1997 ?
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01:56	mircea_popescu	the20year2 what of me ?
01:56	mircea_popescu	gee whiz, look at all the people i want to talk to, and i have barely just woken up.
01:56	Apocalyptic	<mircea_popescu> like the russki MMM, or romania's caritas (or later fni), or albania's rebellion of 1997 ? // we had this BMG Invest in Slovakia
01:57	mircea_popescu	a so you did, yea.
01:57	mircea_popescu	generally the objects of the abject populace's fixations end up quite... jesus-ied.
01:58	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo midnightmagic is an old time miner with a very naive set of strongly held notions.
01:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.021399 = 0.214 BTC [+]
01:59	MagicalFag	just got a $a: ban on ##mtgox-chat, such fun
01:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8574 @ 0.00086337 = 7.4025 BTC [-]
01:59	mircea_popescu	lmao who the fuck bothers banning people on deadman's chat
01:59	KRS-One	.bait
02:00	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/7b62966269d851196c7a3d0d16edf507/tumblr_n0y1ksjL6n1r1rxrbo1_500.png
02:00	KRS-One	.bait
02:00	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8861d68fe4bd21af374b91ba093a890/tumblr_n0y1nhj33q1r1rxrbo1_1280.png
02:00	KRS-One	.bait
02:00	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/7fd4a56fa8f3fa63ec7831a41ea1243b/tumblr_mzh2539PQd1sltft3o1_1280.jpg
02:00	KRS-One	fap fap..nite.
02:01	mircea_popescu	you seriously jack off to that stuff ?!
02:01	KRS-One	Sure..Lets talk about your love life now.
02:01	mircea_popescu	but... it's a woman in a bra o.O
02:01	KRS-One	=)
02:02	KRS-One	haha
02:02	KRS-One	I go to the strip club once a week. You would be suprised what you can get there being a regular.
02:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00489899 = 0.3527 BTC [+]
02:02	mircea_popescu	i used to own a few. why'd i be surprised ?!
02:02	KRS-One	I get out quite often when I'm not working as much too.. I like the bachelor's life.
02:03	mircea_popescu	uh.
02:03	mircea_popescu	you know that's possibly the least efficient way to buy sex, do you
02:03	KRS-One	Not trying to suprise you, I don't know much about you.
02:03	mircea_popescu	few do.
02:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10501 BTC [-]
02:04	mircea_popescu	decimation: So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. << if by "thing" you mean "Bitcoin Foundation", then yes.
02:05	KRS-One	Its getting late here. Have a great day-
02:06	mircea_popescu	laters.
02:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00472009 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {3}
02:08	mircea_popescu	o look at that, Luke-Jr needs to learn to listen to mp.
02:09	Luke-Jr	why?
02:09	mircea_popescu	because you'd still have 70% of your savings, that's why.
02:10	Luke-Jr	I didn't know you had access to MtGox's code
02:10	mircea_popescu	there's a lot of things you didn't know. but the fact that i said mtgox is going down, you knew.
02:10	mircea_popescu	next time, listen. it's not like it's coming out of my pocket if you don't, you know ?
02:10	Luke-Jr	oh, so I'm supposed to just believe everything you say but can't/won't provide evidence for?
02:10	mircea_popescu	nope.
02:11	mircea_popescu	you're supposed to listen to it. there's a fucking difference.
02:12	Luke-Jr	if I knew it, then I must have listened to you say it.
02:12	mircea_popescu	notrly.
02:12	Luke-Jr	and thought you were full of crap since you couldn't substantiate it
02:12	mircea_popescu	yeah well, see, that's a broken implication there.
02:12	mircea_popescu	or two. however you count.
02:13	Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu: did *you* steal the bitcoins?
02:13	Apocalyptic	heh
02:13	mircea_popescu	if we had the luxury of discarding anything of reality that doesn't conveniently fit with our theoreitcal system, we wouldn't for instance be stuckl with quantum mechanics.
02:13	Luke-Jr	because right now, it sounds like you're implicitly confessing
02:13	mircea_popescu	newtonian physics'd have been just fine,
02:13	mircea_popescu	Luke-Jr no, it just sounds like you still have issues listening.
02:14	mircea_popescu	i get that you're very emotionally invested in this "master of all i survey" nonsense, but that's not how reality works.
02:14	Luke-Jr	the only way to know MtGox was going down like this, is if you had evidence, or you were behind it
02:14	Luke-Jr	and you clearly did not have evidence
02:14	mircea_popescu	lmao
02:14	mircea_popescu	because why.
02:14	Apocalyptic	having evidence is different from diclosing it
02:14	mircea_popescu	because i live in Luke-Jr world, where if Luke-Jr asks i am forced to comply ?
02:15	Luke-Jr	Apocalyptic: yes, but mircea_popescu is generally clueless too
02:15	mircea_popescu	i guess 30% of your savings is too much for you huh.
02:15	mircea_popescu	aite, carry on.
02:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is foolish to consider diddled cpus without having a picture of the actual possibilities in mind. <<< now how does this follow ?!
02:16	Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu: just because you're right for once in your life, does not mean you will be right ever again
02:16	mircea_popescu	Luke-Jr apparently your one-bit counter is well smashed.
02:17	mircea_popescu	add some overflow control there.
02:19	Apocalyptic	reading some article about this BMG ponzi
02:19	Apocalyptic	"Naivety multiplied by greed made the existence of such investment schemes possible in Slovakia" // like it's any different in any other ponzi
02:19	mircea_popescu	well... it just *feels* different each time.
02:20	mircea_popescu	people have this amazing facility, guy goes out with girl, its their first time, it feels like the first time. kids have been fucking for a while now, it's anything but novel in any sense.
02:20	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
02:20	Apocalyptic	maybe, it certainly fundamentally isn't though
02:20	mircea_popescu	nevertheless...
02:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.04506296 = 0.3605 BTC [-] {4}
02:21	mircea_popescu	and then she gets pregnant/catches the clap/gets dumped and her mom is like lolz and she's like "o mom, just because you were right ONCE IN YOUR LYFF!!!
02:21	mircea_popescu	doesn't mean you'll ever be right ever again ever eleventy!"
02:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10487564 = 0.3146 BTC [+]
02:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10487564 BTC [+]
02:23	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo : perhaps a good alternative is to buy a chinese and a usg and use them in paralel.
02:23	mircea_popescu	they can only do that which they agree on.
02:25	chetty	lol great recipe for any government
02:25	mircea_popescu	copumpkin how much did you have on gox ? if its not sikrit.
02:26	mircea_popescu	so far this is starting to feel like pirate all over again. in may "but mp! how can you irresponsibly let the pr chick say mean things about this important biznis for bitcoin, we know shit. we're twelve after all!"
02:26	mircea_popescu	then in oct "well... we're out of the game nao. was nice being part of it all blablabla"
02:27	mircea_popescu	dignork i use local logs for that purpose. log website only does daybased, and i suppose global search may be a little cpu intensive as a publicly exposed service.
02:37	mircea_popescu	;;later tell greenspan_fan i actually shot the last psych guy an email. figured he'd prolly like to know :p
02:37	gribble	The operation succeeded.
02:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00086085 = 19.6704 BTC [-] {2}
02:40	mircea_popescu	benkay re the assass feed : trilema has a 15 minute rss delay built in for that very reason. maybe you should implement something like it.
02:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000001 BTC [-]
02:40	mircea_popescu	i mostly use it when i manage to typo in one of my booklet length titles.
02:42	mircea_popescu	bloctoc_ not really.
02:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00085872 = 13.7825 BTC [-]
02:44	mircea_popescu	"When using only an HD wallet design, you can regenerate the wallet (and all of the addresses) at any time using a seed which can be presented as a mnemonic string of words, without reducing the amount of entrophy like brain wallets do."
02:45	mircea_popescu	now how the hell does this work, entropy cheese ?
02:46	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, btw I always wondered why the polimedia servers were in the US
02:47	mircea_popescu	where are you /
02:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00086337 = 8.2452 BTC [+] {2}
02:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15581 @ 0.00086626 = 13.4972 BTC [+] {4}
02:50	Apocalyptic	Switzerland
02:52	mircea_popescu	prolly routes you faster that way.
02:53	mircea_popescu	"There shouldn't be "insiders" in #Bitcoin - that's kinda the point of Bitcoin."
02:54	mircea_popescu	dude how is it that everyone takes it for granted they personally know what "the point of Bitcoin" is
02:54	mircea_popescu	for crying out loud already.
02:54	mircea_popescu	"i shouldn't still be a virgin, kinda the point of bitcoin!!1"
02:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 217 @ 0.0055 = 1.1935 BTC
02:59	chetty	<mircea_popescu> "i shouldn't still be a virgin, kinda the point of bitcoin!! <<<< it isn't?????
02:59	mircea_popescu	lol
02:59	mircea_popescu	i guess it has resolved a lot of financial and mental hymens
03:00	benkay`	http://ultra-coin.com/index.php/homes/item/8-bitcoin-2-0-aka-ultra-coin-bitcoin-s-derivative-layer-that-allows-the-virtual-to-control-real-things-featured
03:00	ozbot	Reggie Middleton's UltraCoin - Bitcoin 2.0, aka Ultra Coin: Bitcoin's Derivative Layer That Allows T
03:01	benkay`	http://bitblu.com/
03:01	ozbot	Bitblu - crypto investment management
03:02	benkay`	"Crypto-currency investment is hard..."
03:02	mircea_popescu	who's running it ?
03:03	mircea_popescu	i don't mean the newest scamcoin, i get it, Reggie Middleton is a random noob who figures that he's special and doesn't need to first spend his six months reading here.
03:03	mircea_popescu	i mean the blu thing
03:03	benkay`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289683.0
03:03	ozbot	Bitblu is recruiting our co-founder CTO
03:04	mircea_popescu	lol nm
03:04	benkay`	bitcointalk *has* a search bar, mircea_popescu
03:04	mircea_popescu	"Great job on the Bitblu website. It looks awesome, even in beta!! Can't wait to try it out "
03:05	mircea_popescu	lol all this crap.
03:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 71 @ 0.00575 = 0.4083 BTC [+]
03:05	benkay`	wow dealco is still around?
03:06	mircea_popescu	why wouldn't it be ?
03:06	mircea_popescu	scams don't go away anymore, they just age and reemerge, goat style.
03:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02199998 = 0.132 BTC [+]
03:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00086541 = 4.3305 BTC [-] {3}
03:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10487562 = 0.3146 BTC [-]
03:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16277 @ 0.00085984 = 13.9956 BTC [-]
03:13	mircea_popescu	what is everyone's favourite bitcoin charting service these days ?
03:14	dexX7	http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd i guess
03:16	kakobrekla	rtbtc
03:16	mircea_popescu	aha
03:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
03:19	mircea_popescu	bitcoincharts seems to have finally croaked
03:19	benkay`	hey everyone did you know that real companies are built on professionally curated data feeds?
03:19	benkay`	kinda hard to believe, but true.
03:19	benkay`	WTF BITCOIN
03:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00487998 = 0.976 BTC [-] {5}
03:22	mircea_popescu	derp.
03:23	mircea_popescu	it's only 2014, what's the rush.
03:23	anddam	hello
03:24	mircea_popescu	;;later tell duffer1 hey, you have a compatriot here : anddam
03:24	gribble	The operation succeeded.
03:24	anddam	will keep that in mind
03:24	anddam	actually there are a few on btctalk but the tone of threads is childish more often than not
03:24	benkay`	anddam you troll for money?
03:25	mircea_popescu	where was that link to that post of duffy's
03:25	anddam	benkay`: troll as in fishing?
03:26	mircea_popescu	anddam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=353439.msg3783469#msg3783469
03:26	mircea_popescu	there you go
03:26	mircea_popescu	"Load failed, retry after 5 seconds. Probably Reason BitcoinWisdom is temporary down Domain is not bitcoinwisdom.com Network issue"
03:26	mircea_popescu	i am guess javascript issue ?
03:27	mircea_popescu	http://blockchain.info/charts/market-price << this is lulzy in its looks lol
03:27	ozbot	Bitcoin Market Price (USD)
03:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086718 = 12.1405 BTC [+]
03:28	davout	does anyone know about some spreadhseet software that uses decimals instead of floats?
03:28	davout	ie. that can count
03:28	FabianB	btcoincharts is probably the only one that works without js
03:28	mircea_popescu	https://bitcoinity.org/markets?theme=light seems fine.
03:28	ozbot	bitcoinity.org/markets
03:28	mircea_popescu	davout wasn't open office settable to use fixed point ?
03:28	benkay`	if you look sideways at the TATINVESTMENTS logo you can see a WTF
03:28	davout	i'm mildly satisfied with my accounting delta being -0,000000000000206057393370429
03:29	davout	mircea_popescu: thanks! i'll have a look
03:29	anddam	davout: I don't but is rounding error with floats that important?
03:29	davout	anddam: accounting is right or it isn't, it can't be sort-of right
03:29	benkay`	i will come harp at you over rounding errors of less than a satoshi anddam
03:30	benkay`	ask mircea_popescu
03:30	anddam	davout: when you use floating point arithmetic it can
03:30	davout	anddam: "does anyone know about some spreadhseet software that uses decimals instead of floats?" <<< hence the question :D
03:30	mircea_popescu	i suppose the concept here is that math will have to suit the task, not the othjer way around
03:31	davout	anddam: what's to tell me it doesn't compound in weird ways ?
03:31	anddam	well, math would be exact, but when you're using a computer you're using an approximation
03:31	davout	anddam: except when you're using decimals
03:31	anddam	math is ideal, at least the one that was taught to me
03:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00086811 = 10.6778 BTC [+]
03:32	davout	anyway i'll look into OO
03:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.09837502 = 3.935 BTC [-] {8}
03:33	benkay`	anddam: bitcoin is also ideal, and calls for ideal accounting.
03:34	benkay`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg3738626#msg3738626
03:34	ozbot	This is the story of your loss.
03:34	benkay`	what a twizt!
03:35	mircea_popescu	http://dc-charts.com/chart_btc.php << best so far imo
03:36	mircea_popescu	course, it seems mtgox bound
03:36	mircea_popescu	no nm, it isn't
03:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
03:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
03:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1291 @ 0.00459637 = 5.9339 BTC [-] {25}
03:46	mircea_popescu	so i'm hammering out the mpoe announcement for this month.
03:47	mircea_popescu	word of warning to the news people following : it's gonna be pretty massive.
03:47	Apocalyptic	massive sounds good
03:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00450006 = 1.8 BTC [-] {9}
03:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00450006 = 1.125 BTC [-] {6}
03:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0390015 = 0.975 BTC [-] {3}
03:56	HeySteve2	mircea_popescu, please private me regarding the news if I don't respond here
03:57	mircea_popescu	you know it will be soon after midnight gmt.
03:58	HeySteve2	ok I will look for it then
03:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [-]
04:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-]
04:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 238 @ 0.00469412 = 1.1172 BTC [+] {6}
04:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 232 @ 0.0047 = 1.0904 BTC [+]
04:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.09084863 = 2.998 BTC [-] {5}
04:05	davout	mircea_popescu: delicious EXERCISE?
04:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00440003 = 0.286 BTC [-] {6}
04:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086828 = 10.8535 BTC [+] {2}
04:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00086706 = 22.9337 BTC [-] {2}
04:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00420003 = 0.84 BTC [-] {5}
04:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00418413 = 0.6485 BTC [-] {4}
04:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6359998 = 1.272 BTC [+]
04:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00411001 = 0.2178 BTC [-]
04:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 474 @ 0.00410377 = 1.9452 BTC [-] {8}
04:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 388 @ 0.00413057 = 1.6027 BTC [+] {7}
04:26	MisterE	shit, btc-e is down
04:27	MisterE	says maintenance...
04:29	wao-ender	and ddos was yday on their twitter
04:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00414999 = 0.1245 BTC [+] {2}
04:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00415 = 0.2449 BTC [+] {2}
04:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7690 @ 0.00086438 = 6.6471 BTC [-]
04:39	Apocalyptic	https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/439333233013309440
04:39	ozbot	Twitter / WSJ: Breaking: Mt. Gox has filed ...
04:40	kakobrekla	dont tell me you are john kenney :D
04:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.08999997 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3}
04:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08999998 = 0.45 BTC [+] {2}
04:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0055 = 0.495 BTC
04:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09497999 = 0.19 BTC [+]
04:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00086813 = 3.3857 BTC [+]
04:48	Apocalyptic	<anarchystar> bitcoins just got ignored
04:48	Apocalyptic	<anarchystar> total insanity
04:48	Apocalyptic	<anarchystar> bye bye btc claims
04:48	Apocalyptic	hum that could set a precedent about btc liabilities during liquidations
04:49	dexX7	what's the context? was there any statement about a potential fiat bailout?
04:49	jurov	Apocalyptic: there isn't any other way
04:50	Apocalyptic	jurov, isn't there ?
04:50	jurov	where would they get bitcoins to resolve liabilities otherwise?
04:52	Apocalyptic	they wouldn't need to get them, just price them in the liability sheets
04:54	jurov	that has potential to create a mess
04:54	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic pretty much already established precedent.
04:54	Apocalyptic	mircea, wasn't aware, what case are you referring to ?
04:55	jurov	if i had usd-only position at time of bankruptcy, why should i share my claim with people who had btc-only positions?
04:55	jurov	and even if, what is the fair btc price here?
04:55	wbaw	kakobrekla, I'm John Kenney
04:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00468997 = 0.1172 BTC [+] {3}
04:56	kakobrekla	o look, now you are on two of my screens :)
04:56	wbaw	so is the bet closed or what?
04:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.63599999 = 5.724 BTC [+] {2}
04:56	kakobrekla	mods close the bets when it needs to be, you can leave them a message on bitbet comments
04:57	wbaw	their lawyer just made an announcement
04:57	wbaw	that seems to satisfy the bet?
04:57	jurov	yes, put the link into bitbet comment
04:57	jurov	and let them do their job
04:58	Apocalyptic	<jurov> and even if, what is the fair btc price here? // hard to find a definitive answer here, but you can still can pick a reasonable one
04:59	jurov	that's anything betwen 100 and 500
04:59	Apocalyptic	<jurov> if i had usd-only position at time of bankruptcy // that's kinda irrelevant
05:00	wao-ender	lul https://twitter.com/The_K_meister/status/439338278496374784
05:02	jurov	Apocalyptic: why irrelevant? bankruptcy law applies only to fiat, it says nothing about BTC. Attempts to shoehorn BTC in there can be disastrous.
05:03	jurov	Listing BTC that are left on the papers and trying to pay them out would be Karpeles goodwill attempt, nothing more.
05:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.09064826 = 2.6288 BTC [-] {5}
05:04	jurov	ianal, though.
05:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
05:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00605 = 0.121 BTC [+]
05:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086813 = 6.5978 BTC [+]
05:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3}
05:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 297 @ 0.00430679 = 1.2791 BTC [-] {4}
05:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-]
05:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23710 @ 0.00086841 = 20.59 BTC [+] {3}
05:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00606001 = 0.1576 BTC [+]
05:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00608813 = 0.1583 BTC [+] {4}
05:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0529 = 0.2116 BTC [+]
05:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1054 @ 0.00018498 = 0.195 BTC [+]
05:18	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic for instance the bitcoinica executors, couldn't care less about the btc.
05:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6175 @ 0.00018631 = 1.1505 BTC [+] {7}
05:18	mircea_popescu	anyway, jurov pretty much has it i think.
05:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1557 @ 0.00018902 = 0.2943 BTC [+] {3}
05:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5807 @ 0.00019199 = 1.1149 BTC [+] {4}
05:22	wbaw	TOKYO—A lawyer for Mt. Gox announced at a news conference at the Tokyo District Court that the embattled bitcoin exchange was filing for bankruptcy protection and that Mt. Gox had outstanding debt of about ¥6.5 billion ($63.6 million).
05:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3909 BTC [-] {2}
05:23	wbaw	... Yes prevails if there is an official announcement of the end of operations
05:23	wbaw	bet is still open, what a joke
05:23	mircea_popescu	ikr?
05:24	wbaw	glad i didn't put more on it
05:24	jurov	wbaw why such haste?
05:24	wbaw	jurov, could you bet on a football match after the result is known?
05:24	mircea_popescu	o hey, us attorney general just jumped out of a window.
05:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 986 @ 0.00444372 = 4.3815 BTC [+] {3}
05:25	wbaw	bookmakers should be fast
05:25	mircea_popescu	this is now the revolving window of finance and government.
05:25	wbaw	and trustworthy
05:25	mircea_popescu	wbaw you know they'll refund bets that are late anyway
05:25	wbaw	and not let people bet after the outcome is known
05:25	wbaw	1% fee
05:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00428984 = 1.2183 BTC [-] {5}
05:26	mircea_popescu	uh what happened to this thing
05:26	mircea_popescu	!t h neobee
05:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00404101 / 0.00509159 / 0.00599998 (47908 shares, 243.92785559 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.0046028 / 0.00600000 (417443 shares, 1921.40502491 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00422003 / 0.00600000 (543824 shares, 2294.95111460 BTC)
05:26	wbaw	it's an hour since the announcement
05:27	wbaw	that's not haste
05:27	wbaw	that's expecting normal service
05:29	mircea_popescu	hey did they close it yet ?
05:31	wbaw	mt.gox closed days ago
05:31	wbaw	the bet hasn't
05:31	mircea_popescu	outrageous.
05:32	dexX7	it's pending?
05:33	dexX7	*closed
05:33	dexX7	whatever
05:33	wbaw	at least its a warning not to use the site again & stick with reputable bookmakers
05:33	mircea_popescu	yeah srsly.
05:34	mircea_popescu	there are very many reputable bookmakers in btc outside of bitbet.
05:34	wbaw	i'll ask william hill next time
05:34	wbaw	he seems ok
05:34	wbaw	and he has a shop around the corner from me
05:34	wbaw	so stop messing about
05:34	mircea_popescu	makes sense.
05:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.004222 = 0.4433 BTC [-] {3}
05:36	dexX7	http://s27.postimg.org/itf060ixv/gox_bankrupt.jpg :D
05:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00609998 = 0.305 BTC [+]
05:37	wbaw	how official does it need to be if their company lawyer announcing it outside a court isn't enough?
05:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00609999 = 0.5978 BTC [+] {2}
05:38	Duffer1	they're only claiming 64m in liabilities?
05:39	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 not really in their interest to include everything.
05:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
05:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.053 = 0.212 BTC [+]
05:39	Duffer1	lol
05:39	mircea_popescu	wbaw hey, how does irl betting work ? i've never done it
05:39	Duffer1	i know, i'm just shocked at the gall
05:39	mircea_popescu	so you go to the shop around the corner and what happens ?
05:40	wbaw	mircea_popescu, i walk into a shop, place a bet, get fixed odds & a betting receipt
05:40	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 that's basically why people need lawyers for. average joe can't possibly summon all the needed gall for even trivial legal proceedings
05:40	mircea_popescu	wbaw ok. and once you win ?
05:40	wbaw	then when it wins i claim my payout in cash
05:40	mircea_popescu	how ?
05:40	Duffer1	ya apparently
05:40	wbaw	i go to the shop
05:40	wbaw	and they pay out
05:40	mircea_popescu	so what if you get caught in traffic ?
05:40	wbaw	when the result is known
05:41	wbaw	then i get my payout a few minutes later
05:41	mircea_popescu	and what if there's a queue ?
05:41	wbaw	but, it's walking distance anyway
05:41	wbaw	then i go to a shop with more staff
05:41	mircea_popescu	but that may be farther away.
05:42	wbaw	there are 5 or 6 within a short walk, but i think william hill is the only one that takes random bets like this
05:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00609999 = 3.05 BTC [+] {3}
05:42	mircea_popescu	and to take this full seinfeld, what if you accidentally get triple-action moisturizer with uva on your ticket and now it's illegible ?
05:42	wbaw	mircea_popescu, they keep a record of all the bets
05:42	mircea_popescu	aha
05:42	mircea_popescu	so you need what, your id ?
05:43	wbaw	you've never visited a real bookmaker?
05:43	mircea_popescu	nope.
05:43	wbaw	you need the details of the bet
05:43	wbaw	time, amount, etc
05:43	mircea_popescu	generally all those i've seen are dingy affairs in the poor parts of town,
05:43	mircea_popescu	where the cash checking and pond shops are
05:43	wbaw	they're huge companies here in the uk
05:44	mircea_popescu	huge companies they are everywhere, but still, much in the way mcdonalds is a huge company :
05:44	mircea_popescu	a huge company made out of a lot of small, smelly, dingy little outifits.
05:44	wbaw	when i pay for a burger at mcdonalds they usually give me one
05:44	wbaw	without much fuss
05:44	mircea_popescu	yeah but once you'll graduate to restaurants you'll maybe notice you order and then wait
05:44	wbaw	same when i pay for a bet at a bookmaker
05:44	wbaw	except this one
05:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10087 @ 0.00086358 = 8.7109 BTC [-]
05:45	mircea_popescu	anyway, don't sweat it, i'm sure you'll have it by tomorrow, whatever it is.
05:45	wbaw	you really shouldn't still be accepting bets, it's just to take fees for nothing or skew the odds
05:46	mircea_popescu	what do you mean for nothing ?
05:46	mircea_popescu	someone betting after the event is known seems something.
05:46	wbaw	you take a 1% fee from returned bets, says on your site
05:46	mircea_popescu	surely.
05:47	mircea_popescu	meanwhile : A talking parrot has helped Indian police crack an intriguing murder mystery and led the cops to arrest the killer.
05:47	mircea_popescu	go preet go!
05:47	wbaw	so, what is an official announcement?
05:47	wbaw	for the context of that bet?
05:47	mircea_popescu	dood, i'm sure it's good enough, a mod needs to get to it.
05:47	mircea_popescu	stop sweatin' it, srsly.
05:47	wbaw	because it seems pretty official
05:47	mircea_popescu	yeah.
05:48	chetty	Seriously whats the rush? Not like you can get interest on BTC
05:48	wbaw	should have faster service instead of acting like you're not trying to compete with huge companies with customer support teams
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05:49	mircea_popescu	i actually am not competing with huge companies for the favours of you.
05:49	chetty	hmm what huge company with lots of support team takes btc bets? I might want to check that out
05:50	mircea_popescu	if you're curious as to how that goes, see http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
05:50	cazalla	didn't you know bitbet was a scam wbaw?
05:50	cazalla	talk to snackman lol
05:50	wbaw	i didn't realise before, cazalla
05:50	mircea_popescu	bah i can't believe i gave out the wrong link
05:50	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/ < that.
05:50	ozbot	Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
05:50	cazalla	wrong links, slow payouts, what's happening mircea_popescu
05:51	mircea_popescu	Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or whate
05:51	mircea_popescu	ver they’re called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, they’ve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything.
05:51	mircea_popescu	Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound business plan but a stra
05:51	mircea_popescu	tegic mistake.
05:51	mircea_popescu	cazalla yeah srsly.
05:52	wbaw	i'm not saying it's a scam, just you should act a bit faster to protect your customers
05:52	wbaw	like your competitors do
05:52	mircea_popescu	but you're in no way at risk. if people bet after the fact hey just get charged a small fine
05:52	mircea_popescu	it doesn't impact your bet in any way.
05:52	mircea_popescu	and while it'd be ideal to move faster, it's also ideal not to make mistakes, and not to cost an infinity.
05:53	wbaw	how do people know it's after the fact if the bet is still open?
05:53	mircea_popescu	these are the three ends of the triangle : how much it costs, how secure it is, how fast it goes.
05:53	cazalla	ask snackman, he knows the answer to that one wbaw
05:53	mircea_popescu	every business will make a choice as you can't have all three.
05:53	wbaw	you could close betting while you reach a decision
05:53	mircea_popescu	wbaw ideally people bet on things they know.
05:53	cazalla	wbaw, why not use it to your advantage and bet on some props where the outcome is already known?
05:53	mircea_popescu	ouch
05:54	wbaw	cazalla, because i'd be paying 1% for nothing
05:54	Apocalyptic	<ATH5> "There was a weakness in the system, and the bitcoins disappeared" << Karpeles live
05:54	mircea_popescu	the lyf and tymes.
05:55	wbaw	and that's what it's about, taking those 1%s & fuck repeat custom
05:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086863 = 3.7351 BTC [+]
05:55	cazalla	that feel when gox coins are gone http://img.pandawhale.com/87000-Antonio-Banderas-OH-YEAH-gif-c-5cCi.gif
05:55	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85mfiVxwC1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
05:55	mircea_popescu	there was a weakness in the system
05:55	mircea_popescu	her clothes are now gone
05:56	Apocalyptic	"<maz0> Teikoku Data Bank, Japan’s largest and most respected credit-rating agency, in July of last year reviewed the company and gave it a D4, the worst possible rating a company can receive on their scale. One of the reasons for the low rating was the lack of qualified accounting staff at the company." mircea is there any truth to that N
05:57	wbaw	how can you run any business without looking at your competition?
05:58	wbaw	and how they do business
05:58	mircea_popescu	wbaw how can they ?
05:58	wbaw	what do you mean?
05:58	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic yeah afaik
05:58	mircea_popescu	wbaw how can your williams whoever do business without looking at bitbet.
05:58	wbaw	mircea_popescu, they were here first
05:59	mircea_popescu	in bitcoin ? i dun think so.
05:59	wbaw	and they're the big name, not the new competitor
05:59	wbaw	so it's all different because of the currency?
05:59	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic http://www.tdb.co.jp/tosan/syosai/3889.html if you can read that.
05:59	mircea_popescu	wbaw in a word, yes. especially because bitcoin isn't a currency in this sense.
06:00	MisterE	almost got back in to ride is back to 570 but we're going under 550
06:01	wbaw	mircea_popescu, this is why you'll never be big like they are
06:01	wbaw	it's no different, it's a betting site
06:01	MisterE	lol Apocalyptic that's almost as bad as letting the 2 companies with the worst customer satisfaction numbers in the US merge :D
06:01	mircea_popescu	wbaw what's the mkt cap of this williams thing ?
06:02	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, you just linked me an article from today
06:02	mircea_popescu	3.24bn mkt cap ?
06:02	mircea_popescu	well guess what... i'm not that far off. now what do we do.
06:02	wbaw	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/28/william-hill-idUSL6N0LW4P520140228
06:02	ozbot	William Hill plans cost cuts to offset new tax regime
06:03	wbaw	Revenue rose 18 percent to 1.49 billion pounds of which net retail revenue accounted for 907 million pounds, up 10 percent, and online revenue rose 12 percent to 446 million pounds.
06:04	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic yeah it's some japanese corp research firm
06:05	Apocalyptic	I thought you were referencing the credit-rating claim
06:05	mircea_popescu	wbaw yeh yeh, WMH.L, 3.24bn mkt cap
06:05	Duffer1	Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 5s
06:05	Duffer1	Start a Revolution Join a Revolution @StartJOIN Revolution in a box. Anyone can start or join a revolution. Global insurrection!
06:05	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic afaik that's a paid service.
06:05	wbaw	they're not even the biggest
06:05	wbaw	afaik
06:05	Duffer1	following for the lawls
06:06	mircea_popescu	wbaw thjat's besides the point. i being already comparably big, your argument fails
06:06	mircea_popescu	and anyway, i'd love to keep chattin' but got some stuff to do right nao
06:06	cazalla	wbaw: you should be more given the outcome is known, that will fix your problems
06:06	cazalla	bet*
06:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10771 @ 0.00086393 = 9.3054 BTC [-]
06:08	wbaw	cazalla, according to mircea_popescu here that'd mean i just get taxed 1%
06:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00086863 = 0.7635 BTC [+]
06:08	wbaw	and i can't put bets on even those his website says that i can
06:09	wbaw	*even though
06:10	wbaw	so i'd be getting taxed for their mistake if i bet now, or the betting is corrupt
06:10	Mats_cd03	cool story
06:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0061 = 0.1159 BTC [+]
06:11	cazalla	so what are you worried about then
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06:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00448999 = 0.1437 BTC [-]
06:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00457998 = 0.1649 BTC [+] {4}
06:43	mircea_popescu	so a hdd in a raid array failed and has been hotswapped.
06:43	mircea_popescu	everything seems fine.
06:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086863 = 3.9957 BTC [+]
06:55	Duffer1	hurray for striping
06:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
06:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [-]
07:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63599 BTC [+]
07:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63599 BTC [+]
07:03	jurov	i'd be pretty asstight if company owner was personally involved in raid hdd replacements :D
07:06	wbaw	i'm not worried about anything cazalla, just explaining why it's my first & will be my only bet on the site
07:07	wbaw	other gamblers will just go elsewhere quietly
07:08	wbaw	it has finally been closed, but speed is important
07:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00437102 = 0.3715 BTC [-] {2}
07:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
07:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.1141981 = 2.284 BTC [+] {7}
07:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.114899 = 0.3447 BTC [+]
07:25	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> uh what happened to this thing /// there's a frenzy over AM solving more blocks than usual (sell Neo! Buy AM!) and the Neo bid book didnt fill much behind the rally
07:25	ThickAsThieves	wbaw, how could you possibly expect the diversity of bets at BitBet and immediate resolution on all of them?
07:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086843 = 1.2158 BTC [-]
07:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.117 = 0.234 BTC [+]
07:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11999 BTC [+]
07:41	wbaw	not immediate resolution, but closing should be fast
07:41	wbaw	responses from customer support shouldn't be so rude & arrogant either
07:41	ThickAsThieves	well i just woke up and everything was the way it should be!
07:42	ThickAsThieves	wbaw that's one issue you won't win me over on
07:42	ThickAsThieves	customers are rude and arrogant
07:42	wbaw	i think they're in romania though, so no excuse, was the middle of a working day
07:42	ThickAsThieves	customer service people arent your bitch
07:42	wbaw	customers are right
07:42	ThickAsThieves	no
07:42	wbaw	never heard that?
07:42	Duffer1	haahahaa
07:42	ThickAsThieves	they arent
07:42	ThickAsThieves	not usually
07:42	Duffer1	ah that's cute
07:42	wbaw	this is why you lack many customers
07:42	ThickAsThieves	i do just fine
07:42	wbaw	including me now
07:42	ThickAsThieves	have all my lufe
07:43	ThickAsThieves	life*
07:43	Duffer1	TaT i hear AM added 600th recently, might have something to do with it :P
07:43	ThickAsThieves	if you want civil interactions with people, try being a human being
07:43	wbaw	other bookmakers don't call me a bitch for giving them money
07:44	wbaw	no other bookmaker that has lasted has done that
07:44	wbaw	to any customer
07:44	ThickAsThieves	so
07:44	ThickAsThieves	even if you are right
07:44	wbaw	every business has to serve it's customers or it fails
07:44	ThickAsThieves	let bitbet run its own business
07:44	ThickAsThieves	when did you become ceo
07:44	wbaw	i will
07:44	ThickAsThieves	and when did they ask for your opinion
07:44	ThickAsThieves	and when did your opinion matter?
07:44	wbaw	when i became a customer & paid them money
07:45	ThickAsThieves	no that's when you entered a contract
07:45	ThickAsThieves	their only obligation is to fill it
07:45	ThickAsThieves	on their terms
07:45	ThickAsThieves	which you accepted
07:45	wbaw	then again when i remembered never to use it again & recommend against it
07:45	ThickAsThieves	dont enter into arrangements with people then complain when they execute them
07:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0538 = 0.2152 BTC [+] {2}
07:46	wbaw	i was complaining about them not executing them
07:46	ThickAsThieves	no, you were complaining about HOW they execute them
07:46	ThickAsThieves	which you dont get to
07:46	wbaw	or being too slow to execute them because they were too busy abusing customers
07:47	ThickAsThieves	unless it breaks their contract
07:47	ThickAsThieves	does bitbet say it will solve all bets in under X amount of time?
07:47	wbaw	every bookmaker closes bets when the event is over
07:48	wbaw	every other
07:48	wbaw	so i will just use those instead
07:48	wbaw	now please stop arguing with former customers
07:48	ThickAsThieves	ok
07:48	ThickAsThieves	cya
07:48	Duffer1	afaik MP is an owner and not actively involved, but as an owner I'm sure he's more annoyed with delayed bet closing than you
07:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1645 @ 0.00434981 = 7.1554 BTC [-] {6}
07:49	wbaw	i hope he is, he should be
07:50	wbaw	doesn't matter to me i can just go elsewhere
07:51	Duffer1	bitbet has a competitor?
07:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00019 = 0.95 BTC [-]
07:53	cazalla	william hill apparently
07:53	wbaw	search 'gambling' on google
07:53	wbaw	there are quite a few
07:54	wbaw	betfair?
07:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1087 @ 0.00018899 = 0.2054 BTC [-] {2}
07:55	Duffer1	ah i'm not a gambler, i haven't kept up with the offerings in the space
07:56	ThickAsThieves	the best part about these bitbet naysaying interlopers is that it's always for like $50 bets
07:57	wbaw	they have lots of big competitors but they think they're different because it's magical internet money so customer service doesn't count
07:57	ThickAsThieves	and they demand to be customer that is always right and able to take all business away
07:57	ThickAsThieves	wbaw do you even lose anything here?
07:57	wbaw	ThickAsThieves, why risk a big bet on your first go with some shady site?
07:57	ThickAsThieves	why act like some stange site killed your cat?
07:57	wbaw	they know not to come back after that
07:58	Duffer1	I am certain that those involved with Bitbet regard Bitcoin as substantially more valuable than fiat
07:58	wbaw	i'm used to better service, rather than being insulted by staff
07:58	ThickAsThieves	youre used to be being manipulated is what you are
07:59	ThickAsThieves	salesmanship is all you know
07:59	ThickAsThieves	not service
07:59	wbaw	we will see who's still here in 10 years
08:00	ThickAsThieves	surely you wont be
08:00	ThickAsThieves	i doubt 10 days
08:01	Duffer1	perhaps you haven't been around long wbaw but if i was a gambler Bitbet would be the only site I'd trust to do what they say, no more no less
08:01	wbaw	wtf are you talking about?
08:01	Duffer1	everyone else will just tell you what you want to hear right up until they run with your $$
08:02	wbaw	you think bitbet are more reliable than betfair?
08:02	wbaw	william hills have been around ~50 years
08:02	wbaw	and they always pay out
08:02	Duffer1	and they accept bitcoin?
08:03	wbaw	does that even matter?
08:03	jurov	one day the miscalculate the rates on popular bet and go out of business
08:03	ThickAsThieves	;;google betfair scam
08:03	gribble	Betfair Trader Scam - Please circulate - Bet Angel - Betfair sports ...: <http://www.betangel.com/blog_wp/2013/07/24/betfair-trader-scam/>; Gambler who called himself the Betfair king conned friends out of ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313618/Gambler-called-Betfair-king-conned-friends-600-000-bogus-betting-scam.html>; Betfair Casino - The Tale of Betfair's (1 more message)
08:03	jurov	and unlike fiat nobody, is loaning btcs
08:03	ThickAsThieves	plenty to read!
08:03	Duffer1	i see, so when i said earlier "only site" i was refering to only bitcoin betting site
08:03	wbaw	yes, they catch scammers on betfair
08:03	jurov	nothing like that can happen on bitbet
08:03	wbaw	that's what they do
08:03	wbaw	it's betting exchange
08:03	ThickAsThieves	so betfair hosts scammers
08:03	ThickAsThieves	bitbet does not
08:04	wbaw	betfair allows anybody to bet
08:04	wbaw	bitbet is just in denial
08:04	ThickAsThieves	again, what did you lose here anyway?
08:04	Duffer1	denial about what? i'm just curious, i'm not trying to poke you
08:04	wbaw	i lost an interesting looking betting site i wanted to give my custom
08:05	ThickAsThieves	so youre just trolling?
08:05	wbaw	saying they don't host scammers, denying that bet fixing could be a problem...
08:06	wbaw	no, i got trolled by bitbet
08:06	ThickAsThieves	specifically why are you unhappy
08:06	wbaw	the customer service response i got to my email yesterday
08:06	ThickAsThieves	which caused you what harm?
08:06	Duffer1	i was under the impression that bets are moderated by the exchange
08:07	Duffer1	I don't see how fixing could occur without collusion by employees
08:07	wbaw	because you just said you have no experience gambling
08:07	ThickAsThieves	dont lose me
08:07	ThickAsThieves	which caused you what harm?
08:08	*	ThickAsThieves crickets
08:08	wbaw	it cost money from my bet, people were betting after mtgox closed
08:08	ThickAsThieves	do you know what happens when people bbet after the fact on bitbet?
08:08	Duffer1	that does not mean those late bets will be honored
08:09	wbaw	they get a 1% tax
08:09	ThickAsThieves	no
08:09	ThickAsThieves	a 100% tax
08:09	ThickAsThieves	they keep it
08:09	wbaw	according to ts&cs
08:09	wbaw	that's breaking their own terms then
08:09	Duffer1	unless they changed it very recently, it's 100%
08:09	ThickAsThieves	if your bet confirms after the event took place they lose all money
08:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25295 @ 0.0008685 = 21.9687 BTC [+] {2}
08:09	jurov	ThickAsThieves: no
08:10	jurov	it's first closed, then they return bets minus 1%
08:10	jurov	then after it's resolved, they eat new bets
08:10	Duffer1	i see
08:10	ThickAsThieves	ah
08:10	ThickAsThieves	so still
08:10	ThickAsThieves	wbaw loses nothing
08:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00450488 = 0.1577 BTC [+]
08:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]
08:10	ThickAsThieves	right?
08:10	jurov	adn even if someone bets while it's still open, but the result happened
08:10	wbaw	What if I bet after the bet has been satisfied, but before it is actually closed?
08:10	wbaw	Your bet will be refunded, minus BitBet's 1% fee.
08:10	jurov	they return -1% too
08:11	wbaw	http://bitbet.us/faq/
08:11	ozbot	FAQ BitBet
08:11	ThickAsThieves	so wbaw
08:11	Duffer1	if the bets are returned then the payout would be according to resolved weight
08:11	ThickAsThieves	you are crying over a reality you constructed
08:11	ThickAsThieves	not one that exists
08:11	wbaw	so they screwed somebody
08:11	wbaw	either those that bet while the bet was still open, but in fact closed
08:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16867 @ 0.0008694 = 14.6642 BTC [+] {2}
08:11	wbaw	or the people who bet before
08:11	ThickAsThieves	well wtf
08:12	ThickAsThieves	you get what you want so you move to another cause?
08:12	jurov	wbaw after the result happens, bet is closed implicitly without them having to announce
08:12	jurov	it's best defense from scammers
08:12	jurov	good idea, don't you think?
08:12	wbaw	so why the 1% fee & leaving bets open so late?
08:12	ThickAsThieves	bitcoin does not have a way to reject a payment
08:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3983 @ 0.00016694 = 0.6649 BTC [-] {16}
08:12	ThickAsThieves	this is th best solution
08:12	wbaw	surely the bet still being open is there mistake, so no fee
08:13	wbaw	their
08:13	Duffer1	not necessarily
08:13	ThickAsThieves	why make a bet after the event occurs?
08:13	ThickAsThieves	who's scamming who at that point?
08:13	wbaw	because they're advertising that you can, ThickAsThieves
08:13	ThickAsThieves	but they cant stop payments to bitcoin addresses
08:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-]
08:13	ThickAsThieves	nature of the beats
08:13	wbaw	they can close the bet on their site
08:14	wbaw	faster
08:14	ThickAsThieves	hey that's the name for my next album!
08:14	Duffer1	humans are perfect
08:14	jurov	wbaw btc payments can be even hours late, and returning them is overhead for bitbet
08:14	ThickAsThieves	how fast is fast enough?
08:14	wbaw	they can not be so rude to customers too
08:14	ThickAsThieves	no matter how fast they are, they can't be instant
08:14	Duffer1	that's also a feature, not a but :P
08:15	Duffer1	bug*
08:15	ThickAsThieves	if they can't be instant, why pretend
08:16	ThickAsThieves	also, what if the evidence of the bet resolution is debunked? then you complain they closed it too fast?
08:17	ThickAsThieves	this is why customers are usually wrong
08:17	ThickAsThieves	they dont know wtf they are talking about
08:17	ThickAsThieves	and act like insufferable children
08:17	ThickAsThieves	you'd be rude too
08:18	deadweasel	also, they're not your fucking mommy.
08:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09349999 = 0.374 BTC [+]
08:18	deadweasel	handle your business by doing due diligence before you place money somewhere. that's all there is to it.
08:19	ThickAsThieves	he didnt lose anything anyway
08:19	ThickAsThieves	thats the ass end of it
08:19	ThickAsThieves	where he's an ass, and that's the end of it
08:20	deadweasel	indeed. bitbet is an unending font of entertainment
08:20	deadweasel	for this, I do love it. also, winning.
08:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00086954 = 16.3039 BTC [+] {2}
08:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00450655 = 0.2163 BTC [+] {4}
08:25	ThickAsThieves	the timing of bitbets is really quite spooky
08:25	ThickAsThieves	with these diff bets and gox bets
08:28	ThickAsThieves	"I love the sense of entitlement in your generation," she wrote, then continued. "You're welcome for your humility lesson for the year. Don't ever reach out to senior practitioners again and assume their carefully curated list of connections is available to you, just because you want to build your network."
08:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00450499 = 1.0767 BTC [-] {2}
08:29	ThickAsThieves	then she gets put through the social media wringer
08:29	libbe	wheres that from thick
08:30	ThickAsThieves	and it turns into ""The note I sent to Diana was rude, unwelcoming, unprofessional and wrong ...," she said in her e-mail. "Diana and her generation are the future of this city. I wish her all the best in landing a job in this great town.""
08:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00086605 = 16.7148 BTC [-] {2}
08:30	ThickAsThieves	http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/tech/web/linked-in-cleveland-job-bank/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
08:30	ozbot	Nasty LinkedIn rejection goes viral - CNN.com
08:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086351 = 3.454 BTC [-] {2}
08:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09349999 = 0.187 BTC [+] {2}
08:31	ThickAsThieves	i guess that's what the media does, it breaks you if you give it weight
08:33	ThickAsThieves	some gems from CNN's home page today: She blew off salute to take THIS selfie - World's best prison food? - Men: Your sperm clock is ticking - 'President finally said something' - Kutcher and Kunis engaged? etc
08:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.606 = 1.212 BTC [-] {2}
08:34	ThickAsThieves	Mark in a suit: http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/28/investing/mt-gox-bankruptcy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
08:34	ThickAsThieves	apparently he's 10 feet tall
08:35	ThickAsThieves	"Mt.Gox learned Monday that 1.75 million bitcoins held by the company and its customers had disappeared"
08:35	ThickAsThieves	dafuck?
08:35	libbe	lol... wtf
08:36	libbe	1.75 now
08:36	libbe	haha
08:38	ThickAsThieves	Neo presentation docs: http://www.imhbusiness.com/el/neoevent2014#παρουσιασεισ
08:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 760 @ 0.00459938 = 3.4955 BTC [+] {5}
08:39	Duffer1	1.75m bitcoins gone, only claims 65m in liabilities in bankruptcy app
08:39	Duffer1	pure evil
08:41	Duffer1	lol they're trying to claim $37 per bitcoin
08:42	BingoBoingo	Wow
08:42	ThickAsThieves	is the filing public somewhere?
08:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086346 = 7.9438 BTC [-]
08:43	Duffer1	http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-files-bankruptcy-claims-63-6m-debt/
08:43	Duffer1	^ where i saw the 65m figure, dunno what their source is
08:44	ThickAsThieves	article has big mistake
08:44	ThickAsThieves	they filed for Bankruptcy PROTECTION
08:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20565 @ 0.00086367 = 17.7614 BTC [+]
08:45	ThickAsThieves	where did this extra million bitcoins come into play?
08:45	ThickAsThieves	wtf CNN
08:45	bitcoinpete	howdy
08:46	ThickAsThieves	hey Pete
08:47	bitcoinpete	catching up on the day's logs… twitter is just jammed with gox brain damage. can't take it
08:47	kakobrekla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTEm-EnF5A
08:48	ThickAsThieves	thx kako
08:48	kakobrekla	at least its not a fukken nikki minaj
08:49	ThickAsThieves	mark has like a perpetual mona lisa smile
08:50	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu to Luke-Jr: you're supposed to listen to it. there's a fucking difference. << priceless
08:52	ThickAsThieves	Jon Stewart having a laugh over Mt Gox starting as a card exchange
08:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
08:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00086367 = 8.3344 BTC [+]
08:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09349999 = 0.561 BTC [+] {2}
08:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0046109 = 0.2536 BTC [+] {2}
08:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0935 = 0.4675 BTC [+]
08:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63160684 = 17.685 BTC [+] {5}
08:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00485999 = 0.3305 BTC [+] {4}
08:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63633266 = 1.909 BTC [+] {2}
09:01	bitcoinpete	Looks like my little blog post took a notch out of NeoBee, eh ThickAsThieves
09:01	bitcoinpete	I wonder what I could've done to something like CFIG or 7C
09:02	ThickAsThieves	you be trollin
09:02	bitcoinpete	Truly. I know no one reads my blog
09:03	ThickAsThieves	you could actually do plenty damage to CFIG if you tried
09:03	ThickAsThieves	imo
09:03	bitcoinpete	No doubt
09:03	BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Correction, only people who matter read your blog
09:04	bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: but I didn't even post it on reddit!
09:04	BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: You posted to this chan though
09:05	ThickAsThieves	http://www.bitcoinsecurity.org/2014/01/20/mapping-bitcoin-addresses-to-ips-hard-but-possible/
09:05	ozbot	Mapping Bitcoin Addresses to IPs: Hard, but possible | Bitcoin Security
09:05	bitcoinpete	So I did, so I did.
09:06	BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: Reddit has a poor ratio of eyes to eyes that matter
09:06	bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: Time to start sending coins to MPEx from SBUx
09:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11705 = 0.2341 BTC [-] {2}
09:07	ThickAsThieves	I thought SEC arrested MPEx and closed the Bitcoin?
09:07	bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: Much higher here, it seems
09:08	bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: Did you read that in the almanac?
09:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00086367 = 5.0525 BTC [+]
09:09	ThickAsThieves	The Forumers Almanac
09:16	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
09:16	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 558.69, vol: 18248.76543402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 541.96, vol: 12559.69095 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 557.0, vol: 12295.19418405 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 582.1, vol: 65.15586648 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 554.88, vol: 7185.97300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 553.591064627
09:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12442 @ 0.00086762 = 10.7949 BTC [+] {2}
09:25	ThickAsThieves	hmm so does option bot problem fix itself now that gox volume is 0?
09:26	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: I'm guessing that is going to be in the MPEx announcement
09:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15163 @ 0.00086963 = 13.1862 BTC [+] {2}
09:32	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/28/gullible_hipsters_drive_beard_transpant_craze/
09:32	ThickAsThieves	"A lot of them tend to be in their 20s and 30s, they tend to be hip New Yorkers definitely with an eye for aesthetic detail – they may work in the visual arts or performing arts."
09:36	jurov	is pic of mr. gay-debauchery in there somewhere, too?
09:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000001 BTC [-]
09:37	bitcoinpete	too bad the register can't spell "transpLant"
09:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0935 = 0.561 BTC [+]
09:38	bitcoinpete	And converting to Orthodox Judaism would be far more cost-effective.
09:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62459 @ 0.00086446 = 53.9933 BTC [-] {4}
09:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.006 = 0.222 BTC [+]
09:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
09:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086425 = 11.3217 BTC [-] {2}
09:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00086656 = 6.0651 BTC [+]
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0543 = 0.543 BTC [+]
09:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60066666 = 1.802 BTC [-] {2}
10:01	BingoBoingo	The Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo bet has been accepted http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/
10:13	jurov	BingoBoingo: I don't get the boogaloo reference
10:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.55879266 = 14.5286 BTC [-] {14}
10:15	TomServo	;;ud electric boogaloo
10:15	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=electric%20boogaloo | Electric Boogaloo can be appended to the name of a movie to indicate a sequel. This construction is somewhat dismissive of the original work and/or...
10:15	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: electric boogaloo
10:15	ThickAsThieves	;;ud Electric Boogaloo
10:15	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=electric%20boogaloo | Electric Boogaloo can be appended to the name of a movie to indicate a sequel. This construction is somewhat dismissive of the original work and/or...
10:15	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: electric boogaloo
10:15	*	TomServo shrugs
10:15	ThickAsThieves	bah
10:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
10:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
10:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09499898 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
10:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.536575 = 2.1463 BTC [-] {3}
10:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16833 @ 0.00086734 = 14.5999 BTC [+] {2}
10:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0048 = 0.48 BTC [-] {3}
10:24	asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUr5UeIsKE
10:24	ozbot	Turneja - Kukavica (Arkan - Mine Field Scene) + Eng Subtitles - YouTube
10:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00485598 = 0.2768 BTC [+] {2}
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0544 = 0.544 BTC [+]
10:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05201753 = 0.4161 BTC [-] {2}
10:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00564526 = 1.1291 BTC [-] {10}
10:39	chetty	A man who was traveling through Manchester, New Hampshire was stopped and harassed by the TSA after he opted out of going through a body scanner. The official reason for further interrogation, according to the screeners, was “We saw Bitcoin in your bag and need to check.”
10:39	ThickAsThieves	buncha bitcoin buttons
10:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00556 = 1.112 BTC [-] {5}
10:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00485548 = 0.4807 BTC [-] {3}
10:40	wao-ender	chetty: url?
10:41	chetty	http://www.infowars.com/tsa-detains-libertarian-blogger-after-seeing-bitcoin-in-his-bag/
10:41	ozbot	» TSA Detains Libertarian Blogger After ‘Seeing Bitcoin’ In His Bag Alex Jones' Infowars: Ther
10:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019129 = 0.3826 BTC [+] {10}
10:43	asciilifeform	2017: 'A man who was traveling through the California Demilitarized Zone airport was stopped and harassed by the ISA after he opted out of going through the MRI scanner. The official reason for further interrogation, according to the screeners, was "We saw 'brainwallet.py' in your CPU cache, and we needed to check." '
10:43	benkay`	poor davi
10:44	TomServo	ISA?
10:45	benkay`	ugh asciilifeform you gotta put this shit into some fiction
10:45	benkay`	publish it somewhere and everything
10:45	asciilifeform	chetty: if this story is true, it probably means that a picture of 'casascius coin' is included in the 'evil objects' db.
10:45	benkay`	1/3 of the things you write in -assets gives me the willies
10:45	asciilifeform	benkay`: seriously? like what
10:46	benkay`	good morning assettes!
10:46	chetty	yup very likely it is
10:46	benkay`	"MRI scanner"
10:46	chetty	I figure its true, to strange to be fiction
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 37 @ 0.00597001 = 0.2209 BTC [-]
10:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 57 @ 0.00598666 = 0.3412 BTC [+] {2}
10:48	asciilifeform	chetty, benkay`: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v15/n2/full/nrn3665.html
10:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 75 @ 0.006 = 0.45 BTC [+]
10:49	asciilifeform	benkay`: fiction like this ends up being 'a less funny joke' soon after it is written. see, for example, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
10:50	asciilifeform	benkay`: or the story in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
10:52	chetty	asciilifeform: ouchy, I guess next stop is full up mind reading
10:54	jurov	researchers already did read passwords from brain. one has to control self to not think about them
10:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00485598 = 0.4759 BTC [+]
10:56	benkay	gotta get out of the states
10:56	BingoBoingo	Oh brain steganography is going to be a thing soon
10:57	wao-ender	use mechanics!
10:57	chetty	multiplication tables making a come back
10:57	wao-ender	in my honest, I dont remember some password, only just mechanics of keypresses
10:58	chetty	true, without keyboard passwords are a mystery
10:58	wao-ender	well, rather find function how to re:create password instead of remember exact value of pw
11:02	ThickAsThieves	lolz: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/28/fortress-investment-group-bought-20-million-of-bitcoin-in-2013/?mod=WSJBlog
11:02	ThickAsThieves	fortress bought at the top
11:03	benkay	well, the 2013 top
11:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.05182695 = 1.3475 BTC [-] {5}
11:03	ThickAsThieves	indeed
11:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.1169999 = 1.053 BTC [-]
11:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169999 = 0.351 BTC [-]
11:06	benkay	if they have the smarts to hang on for a year or two, they may make it back
11:07	benkay	ah it's unrealized
11:07	benkay	at least their smart enough to actually go long
11:07	ThickAsThieves	can anyone point me to a working LTC chart?
11:08	ThickAsThieves	got it
11:08	ThickAsThieves	forgot bitwiz had it
11:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
11:17	drifton	Hello all
11:18	Duffer1	hello
11:20	benkay	man, the derp is just as strong on hacker news as bitcointalk.org
11:20	benkay	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7318947
11:21	TomServo	yep, it's everywhere it seems
11:23	Duffer1	letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/
11:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00464018 = 0.3805 BTC [-] {4}
11:27	ThickAsThieves	i'm currently battling the derp at theverge
11:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 258 @ 0.0008796 = 0.2269 BTC [+]
11:28	ThickAsThieves	http://www.moneyfactory.gov/ is down! I guess USD is done for.
11:28	benkay	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTEm-EnF5A
11:28	ThickAsThieves	http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-says-recent-graphics-card-shortage-price-hikes-due-chinese-new-year-litecoin-miners/
11:28	ozbot	Chinese New Year, Litecoin to Blame for AMD GPU Shortage, Price Hikes | Digital Trends
11:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 228 @ 0.0008798 = 0.2006 BTC [+] {2}
11:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018999 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
11:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.1169999 = 0.819 BTC [-]
11:30	Jere_Jones_	My wife told me that she couldn't get a birthday cake with a bitcoin on it because it would have been copyright infringement and we needed to get written permission from Bitcoin.
11:30	Jere_Jones_	She said that several bakeries told her that same story.
11:30	anddam	Jere_Jones_: also the cake would be malleable
11:31	Jere_Jones_	She laughed. I laughed. I had balloons on my cake instead.
11:31	asciilifeform	chetty: re: mind reading: 'The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought. There are therefore two great problems which the Party is concerned to solve. One is how to discover, against his will, what another human being is thinking, and the other is how to kill several hundred million people in a few seconds witho
11:31	asciilifeform	ut giving warning beforehand. In so far as scientific research still continues, this is its subject matter.' (mr. o's '1984')
11:32	ThickAsThieves	while i cant imagine anyone getting sued over a cake,
11:32	ThickAsThieves	it's not 100% absurd to be worried about the bitcoin logo
11:33	ThickAsThieves	if the creator hasnt given up rights to it
11:33	ThickAsThieves	and properly
11:33	ThickAsThieves	in the US, you can't even give shit away easily
11:33	Jere_Jones	The B with two vertical lines?
11:33	ThickAsThieves	well a specific depiction of it
11:34	TomServo	I could swear I've seen one or two Mickey Mouse cakes... but I could be imagining that.
11:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 495 @ 0.00517539 = 2.5618 BTC [-] {25}
11:34	ThickAsThieves	the cake place likely got sensitive because of doing too many mickey mouse cakes once
11:34	Jere_Jones	If you don't know what a bitcoin is, yeah, I understand the confusion. My wife and I do, though. Hence the hilarity.
11:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1169999 BTC [-]
11:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02175686 = 0.6962 BTC [-] {4}
11:36	Asa9	my wife has some cake pans of popular kids mascots from the late 90s but no disney ones.
11:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4672 @ 0.00009682 = 0.4523 BTC [-] {9}
11:37	benkay	that feel when a project manager cancels the meeting you scheduled to plan out the next 2 months of work
11:37	benkay	*raaaaage*
11:37	benkay	maybe i just need bacon.
11:39	ThickAsThieves	planning to plan is the most popular form of planning
11:39	chetty	asciilifeform: Its a toss up, '84 or Brave New World - but its pretty much upon us
11:40	Asa9	oh what the hell - why not both?!?
11:41	drifton	Anyone have an opinion on the viability of profiting off of exchanging btc for ltc and vis-a-vi? Ive only been going straight btc investment as of late and ltc has me curious. Sorry for the vague question, or if it's considered off topic.
11:41	benkay	don't do it drifton
11:41	drifton	Yeah?
11:41	benkay	you're talking about becoming a professional trader by trading your own book. just don't.
11:42	chetty	off topic? is that possible here?
11:42	ThickAsThieves	drifton, listen to benkay
11:43	ThickAsThieves	LTC simply does not function in reaction to BTC in any reliable way
11:43	drifton	Thanks guys
11:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00465002 = 0.7905 BTC [+] {6}
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00464201 = 0.4642 BTC [-] {4}
11:48	nubbins`	!t m s.mg
11:48	assbot	[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.000149 / 0.00014955 / 0.000154 (180 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.000138 / 0.00013973 / 0.000154 (1200 shares, 0.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00011631 / 0.000154 (5050 shares, 0.59 BTC)
11:48	nubbins`	!t h smg
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00009501 / 9.705E-5 / 0.00010280 (4859 shares, 0.47159003 BTC), 7D: 0.00009501 / 9.954E-5 / 0.00013000 (7926 shares, 0.78898943 BTC), 30D: 0.00009501 / 0.0001088 / 0.00013850 (16446 shares, 1.78939064 BTC)
11:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0046 = 0.46 BTC [-] {2}
11:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1960 @ 0.00018999 = 0.3724 BTC [+] {2}
11:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.0046 = 0.3358 BTC [-] {2}
11:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.095 = 0.76 BTC [+]
11:51	anddam	benkay: the bacon concept is interesting
11:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.0044291 = 0.9965 BTC [-] {6}
11:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58998899 = 1.18 BTC [+]
11:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00440002 = 0.132 BTC [-]
11:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [+]
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 7.50000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 18750 satoshi per share
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.05100001 = 1.734 BTC [-] {9}
12:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.10577669 = 2.856 BTC [-] {11}
12:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
12:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 72 @ 0.00597 = 0.4298 BTC [-]
12:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 69.10503292 BTC to 3`122 shares, 2213486 satoshi per share
12:13	benkay	get yer dealco divs and get out day apparently
12:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05385713 = 0.377 BTC [+] {6}
12:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.05736678 BTC to 3`122 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
12:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09550288 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {6}
12:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09550006 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {3}
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.09199994 = 0.92 BTC [-]
12:18	benkay	bacon ipo anddam
12:18	benkay	;;later tell anddam bacon ipo
12:18	gribble	The operation succeeded.
12:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.08043478 = 1.85 BTC [-] {2}
12:19	ThickAsThieves	bacon futures?
12:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}
12:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
12:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
12:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.13311598 = 4.5259 BTC [-] {2}
12:30	ThickAsThieves	heh WSJ used wordpress
12:30	ThickAsThieves	uses
12:30	ThickAsThieves	(at least for the moneybeat area)
12:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086308 = 5.8689 BTC [-]
12:35	Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: yeah they used to for the not real journalist shit
12:35	Diablo-D3	they still have it for some legacy areas
12:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0555 = 0.111 BTC [+]
12:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
12:37	ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/28/cyprus-one-year-after-bank-bail-in-the-canary-that-lived/
12:37	ozbot	Cyprus One Year After Bank Bail-In -- the Canary That Lived - MoneyBeat - WSJ
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05416667 = 0.1625 BTC [+] {2}
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08181 = 0.2454 BTC [+] {2}
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] {2}
12:40	ThickAsThieves	this guy needs MPOE-PR to step in and inform the subsequent commenters who the real niggers.txt are https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5429845#msg5429845
12:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]
12:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0559994 = 0.28 BTC [+] {3}
12:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08130283 = 0.2439 BTC [-] {3}
12:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-]
12:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05595783 = 0.6715 BTC [-] {4}
12:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0800171 = 0.8002 BTC [-] {5}
12:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
12:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.13311598 = 3.9935 BTC [-] {2}
12:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0575 = 0.115 BTC [+]
12:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.05398213 = 1.5115 BTC [-] {9}
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.006 = 0.15 BTC [+]
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.13311598 = 1.5974 BTC [-]
12:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]
12:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 388 @ 0.00454236 = 1.7624 BTC [-] {5}
12:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00453334 = 0.748 BTC [-] {3}
13:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.054 = 0.324 BTC [+]
13:03	TomServo	BingoBoingo: was not kidding about ##mtgox-statement
13:03	TomServo	http://imgur.com/AuXXenx
13:03	ozbot	A Discussion on How to Salvage MtGox Customer Account Holdings - Imgur
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 125 @ 0.00360365 = 0.4505 BTC [-] {11}
13:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.07801111 = 3.5105 BTC [+] {4}
13:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00086445 = 11.3329 BTC [+] {2}
13:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-]
13:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00086759 = 10.1074 BTC [+] {2}
13:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.13311598 = 1.7305 BTC [-]
13:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00600001 = 0.33 BTC [+] {2}
13:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 45 @ 0.00600001 = 0.27 BTC [+]
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.081 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-]
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00478783 = 0.6847 BTC [+] {5}
13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 377 @ 0.0048762 = 1.8383 BTC [+] {6}
13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 77 @ 0.13311598 = 10.2499 BTC [-]
13:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0815 = 0.326 BTC [+] {2}
13:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13221 @ 0.00086807 = 11.4768 BTC [+]
13:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-]
13:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
13:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08225 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2}
13:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC
13:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00474995 = 0.1235 BTC [-] {3}
13:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0515 = 0.103 BTC [-]
13:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08275 = 0.331 BTC [+] {2}
13:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
13:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [+]
13:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0835 = 0.334 BTC [-] {2}
13:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
13:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [-]
13:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
13:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
13:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00474997 = 0.2565 BTC [+]
13:42	thestringpuller	;;diff
13:42	gribble	3.81572379881463E9
13:42	thestringpuller	;;estimate
13:42	gribble	Next difficulty estimate | 4890464455.62 based on data since last change | 4092738869.01 based on data for last three days
13:42	thestringpuller	;;bc,stats
13:42	gribble	Current Blocks: 288335 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4890464455.62 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.1661
13:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12647 @ 0.00086819 = 10.98 BTC [+] {2}
13:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09999999 = 0.6 BTC [+]
13:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+]
13:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00483117 = 1.4494 BTC [+] {5}
13:49	ThickAsThieves	http://vimeo.com/87747572
13:49	ozbot	evoorhees on centralization - The Bitcoin Phenomenon on Vimeo
13:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00488999 = 0.4401 BTC [+] {2}
13:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
14:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.0008694 = 26.5167 BTC [+] {2}
14:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.13311598 = 2.9286 BTC [-]
14:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.09999999 = 1.4 BTC [+]
14:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.1 = 1.7 BTC [+]
14:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0823125 = 0.6585 BTC [-] {3}
14:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.08120312 = 1.2992 BTC [-] {5}
14:10	the20year2	joy, bankruptcy
14:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11723 @ 0.00087012 = 10.2004 BTC [+] {2}
14:25	Duffer1	it's about time
14:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0805 = 0.161 BTC [-]
14:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051375 = 0.1028 BTC [+] {2}
14:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00488995 = 0.1076 BTC [-] {3}
14:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2}
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00548999 = 0.4666 BTC [+]
14:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05325 = 0.426 BTC [+] {4}
14:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05475 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2}
14:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
14:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05625 = 0.45 BTC [+] {4}
14:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05828571 = 0.408 BTC [+] {3}
14:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09999997 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}
14:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05942857 = 0.416 BTC [+] {4}
14:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
14:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.11900092 = 0.595 BTC [-] {2}
14:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0835 = 0.835 BTC [+] {5}
14:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08575 = 0.343 BTC [+] {2}
14:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08683332 = 0.521 BTC [+] {4}
14:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
14:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08733333 = 0.262 BTC [+] {2}
14:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
14:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.1 = 1.1 BTC [+]
14:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.088 = 0.176 BTC [+]
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10637 @ 0.00087026 = 9.257 BTC [+] {3}
15:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.1 = 3.9 BTC [+]
15:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.1 = 2.4 BTC [+]
15:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.0046416 = 0.362 BTC [-] {5}
15:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08999999 = 0.27 BTC [+]
15:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.0055 = 0.363 BTC
15:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05025756 = 0.1508 BTC [-] {3}
15:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00488993 = 0.1565 BTC [+]
15:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
15:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.13311598 = 3.9935 BTC [-]
15:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.082 = 0.41 BTC [+]
15:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00086638 = 16.2013 BTC [-] {2}
15:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
15:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2070 @ 0.000095 = 0.1967 BTC [-] {3}
15:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 810 @ 0.000191 = 0.1547 BTC [+]
15:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08395 = 0.4198 BTC [+]
15:44	nubbins`	freenode still shitting?
15:45	nubbins`	couldn't connect via chat.freenode.net
15:47	ThickAsThieves	ya a little
15:47	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Pretty much Freenode seems constantly under some level of DDoS now
15:47	nubbins`	nod
15:48	nubbins`	poor admins must be sick of it by now
15:50	BingoBoingo	Probably
15:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02139899 = 0.1498 BTC [-]
15:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0047101 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2}
15:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00086506 = 31.2287 BTC [-]
16:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0827 = 0.1654 BTC [-]
16:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00483971 = 0.121 BTC [+]
16:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.11585504 = 5.7928 BTC [+] {16}
16:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.1175 = 2.4675 BTC [+]
16:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0827 = 0.3308 BTC [-]
16:21	kakobrekla	at some point we will make #freenode on irc.bitcoin-assets.com
16:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0827 = 0.1654 BTC [-]
16:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 642 @ 0.00019618 = 0.1259 BTC [+] {5}
16:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0834 = 0.417 BTC [+]
16:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00087019 = 20.754 BTC [+] {2}
16:37	Bugpowder	blast from the past! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50206.0
		~ 16 minutes ~
16:53	omen1855	nice read Bugpowder
16:53	omen1855	before my days, but history repeats itself very quickly
16:53	Bugpowder	probably been repeating itself for 2 years without people knowing about it.
16:53	Bugpowder	:-P
17:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
17:04	Guest4752	soo what's new
17:06	Duffer1	scammers scamming
17:06	Duffer1	air is still breathable
17:07	Bugpowder	Rain rain rain
17:08	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you tihnking of making an irc network ?
17:09	kakobrekla	well, it was more of a joke and id rather not, but if it comes to it, i would.
17:10	kakobrekla	like the 15th standard you know.
17:10	mircea_popescu	it's a bitch to run them tho, because ddos.
17:10	asciilifeform	did anyone ever step up with decent hosting for whatever?
17:10	mircea_popescu	i'd much rather add servers to freenode's pool than split the effort.
17:10	mircea_popescu	then again, that'd require them extracting head from bunghole, which may prove more difficult.
17:10	asciilifeform	phuctor is still languishing on a godforsaken EC2
17:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not rly any serious btc hoster as of yet
17:11	asciilifeform	phuck.
17:11	mircea_popescu	it's only been 5 years of btc so...
17:11	kakobrekla	well it depends on the size i guess, we have a small alter irc network in slovenia with like 200 people and 3 or so servers, works just fine for years
17:11	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla and then agency X wants to send 100gbit floods because why not.
17:11	jurov	asciilifeform: what about SDF?
17:12	jurov	http://sdf.lonestar.org/
17:12	ozbot	SDF Public Access UNIX System - Free Shell Account and Shell Access
17:12	asciilifeform	jurov: i thought that was a 'free shell for people learning unix' thing
17:13	jurov	no, iirc they offer full paid package
17:13	asciilifeform	jurov: for btc?
17:13	kakobrekla	im not saying it cant happen but small fishes dont stand out
17:13	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yeah but once we move assets there it becomes huge fish
17:13	jurov	they don't even take linux seriously. don't ask them about btc
17:14	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: at least when irc.assets.whatever gets ddosed, we'll know that it's for us and not for some lamer on #l33td00dz or whatnot.
17:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00482998 = 2.415 BTC [-] {3}
17:14	kakobrekla	heh
17:15	mircea_popescu	this is true.
17:16	mircea_popescu	then again...
17:17	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla keeps being rude and arrogant to customer support ppls
17:17	kakobrekla	:(
17:17	kakobrekla	they are rude.
17:17	mircea_popescu	that guy was lulzy.
17:18	jurov	he's actually lucky kako did not start with slander
17:18	kakobrekla	lol
17:18	assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1671539/plain/)
17:18	kakobrekla	!b 5
17:18	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla if you ever get a pet salamander
17:18	mircea_popescu	you gotta name it slander
17:18	kakobrekla	bah more
17:18	assbot	Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1671540/plain/)
17:18	kakobrekla	!b 10
17:18	mircea_popescu	slander the slender salamander
17:18	Diablo-D3	wtf happened now?
17:18	kakobrekla	lol
17:19	mircea_popescu	btw what does this do
17:19	Jere_Jones	I'd just like to reiterate that I appreciate the advice -assets gave me about trying to buy goxbtc. Thanks folks.
17:19	assbot	Last 65536 lines bashed and pending review. (error)
17:19	mircea_popescu	!b 65536
17:19	kakobrekla	endoftheworld.swf
17:19	mircea_popescu	ahahaha
17:19	asciilifeform	!b -1
17:19	mircea_popescu	!b $maxint
17:19	jurov	!b NaN
17:19	mircea_popescu	!b usagi
17:20	jurov	usagi is not positive nor integer
17:20	mircea_popescu	you dare slander usagi's integrity ?
17:20	asciilifeform	any of you folks own a USB fault injector?
17:20	mircea_popescu	what are you, like my sockpuppet ?
17:20	asciilifeform	or care to recommend one
17:20	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is this some new sexual slang ?
17:21	asciilifeform	i wanna see what cardano's usb controller does with malformed frames
17:22	asciilifeform	(to trip 'fail deadly' mechanism)
17:22	Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: deposit flush plz
17:22	jurov	mircea_popescu: it is already known what happens to mpoe in a hour and half?
17:22	jurov	is coinbr likely to survive it? :DDD
17:23	mircea_popescu	jurov i can't imagine why coinbr'd suffer.
17:23	asciilifeform	do we have some apocalypse scheduled?
17:23	mircea_popescu	Bugpowder aite.
17:23	Bugpowder	tx tx
17:23	asciilifeform	damn i should actually read the logs, shouldn't i
17:23	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just the regularly scheduled mpoe statement
17:23	asciilifeform	aha
17:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00482963 = 0.4443 BTC [-] {4}
17:23	jurov	asciilifeform mpoe bot has no info about market rates, so i'm curious how it will autoexercise
17:24	bones`	what would it take to be a serious BTC host?
17:24	jurov	or if mpoe strts spewing garbage instead
17:24	kakobrekla	i think most serial was cloudify or something like that
17:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00482985 = 0.4347 BTC [+] {2}
17:24	mircea_popescu	bones` like a decade of experience in the field, actual connections, actual rented floor in multiple dcs, working relationships with the dc management, the tier 1 bw providers and parts suppliers.
17:25	mircea_popescu	also puppet.
17:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00482999 = 0.3864 BTC [+] {2}
17:26	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: sounds costly.
17:26	bones`	It is
17:26	kakobrekla	incloudibly is what i ment
17:26	diametric	man I wish I had a laser cutter with a powered Z axis
17:26	kakobrekla	http://incloudibly.com/en/cloud
17:26	ozbot	DDoS Protected Cloud Hosting, Cloud VPS - Free DDos Protection - Free 7-day Trial :: Incloudibly
17:26	bones`	That's what I do by trade, and obviously I'm new here trying to expand my mind a bit
17:26	kakobrekla	i think that best you can get now :\
17:27	asciilifeform	diametric: wonder if something like a powered 'whoopie cushion' would work
17:27	bones`	A few others and I have a hosting company but we're only in Philly right now
17:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah well, it's not as costly as diametric's 3d printer farm
17:27	diametric	asciilifeform: that doesn't speak precision to me
17:27	mircea_popescu	Bones_ so how many cages you run ?
17:27	bones`	Two, we're still small and boostrapped
17:27	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhltqAaIUAAYOA_.png:large << check out this thing.
17:28	mircea_popescu	all the cultures the us "invaded" have actually successfuly invaded the us.
17:28	bones`	Also bootstrapped
17:28	asciilifeform	diametric: hydraulic piston?
17:29	diametric	asciilifeform: well my Z is just leadscrews right now manually driven.. really crappy quality at that. I'd be better off just buying a new better laser
17:29	mircea_popescu	bones` aha.
17:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00483 = 0.1739 BTC [+]
17:30	asciilifeform	diametric: my unit has z-axis with screws and belt. all one would have to do there is add a stepper with roller to turn the belt.
17:30	diametric	asciilifeform: i'd be skeptical those screws are very accurate
17:30	diametric	err accurate is not the word I meant
17:30	diametric	I mean, smooth
17:30	mircea_popescu	what are they made of ?
17:31	asciilifeform	diametric: you don't need much accuracy if you fix a photocell to the platform, to measure power (since whole point of z-axis is to focus the beam ideally)
17:31	diametric	something cheap I'm sure, the leadscrews in mine are really, really crappy.
17:31	diametric	asciilifeform: yeah
17:31	asciilifeform	so have the beam return to the measuring cell periodically
17:31	asciilifeform	(whenever z is to move)
17:33	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is such a soviet.
17:33	asciilifeform	eh why
17:33	mircea_popescu	"eh, you don't need working parts, just add feedback"
17:33	diametric	haha
17:34	mircea_popescu	"it'll sort itself out"
17:34	asciilifeform	so long as it converges, why the hell not.
17:34	mircea_popescu	i didn;t say "asciilifeform should be less of a soviet" now did i.
17:34	Diablo-D3	holy fucking fuck people
17:34	Diablo-D3	everyone shut the fuck up
17:34	asciilifeform	(helps if you remember some from differential equations)
17:34	Diablo-D3	you all have work to do
17:34	Diablo-D3	go do it
17:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0048378 = 0.1403 BTC [+]
17:36	kakobrekla	did you relaunch DMC 5 yet?
17:37	mircea_popescu	i don't have work to do.
17:37	asciilifeform	diametric: incidentally, you can get a real-time picture of the beam focus using an ordinary usb camera - taking care that it never sits in the sweet spot (smoked ccd)
17:38	mircea_popescu	here, productivity aide : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhl-Y9UCYAAht1A.png:large
17:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00086619 = 11.3904 BTC [-] {3}
17:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08025255 = 0.321 BTC [-] {3}
17:42	Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: flushed yet? Gotta run shortly.
17:42	mircea_popescu	prolly be a little.
17:42	Bugpowder	ok
17:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.09028588 = 0.632 BTC [-] {3}
17:43	Bugpowder	Will check back in an hour
17:43	Bugpowder	l8r
17:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.079 = 0.237 BTC [-] {2}
17:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00086422 = 8.7347 BTC [-] {2}
17:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10293 @ 0.00086174 = 8.8699 BTC [-] {2}
17:46	mircea_popescu	the whole of twitter is made up of experts on the ukraine now.
17:46	mircea_popescu	it's a sickening display.
17:46	Diablo-D3	can we ban people talking about the ukraine?
17:47	Diablo-D3	[05:36:38] <kakobrekla> did you relaunch DMC 5 yet?
17:47	Diablo-D3	a) 5? what happened to the other 3? b) Im no longer interested in DMC.
17:47	mircea_popescu	meanwhile rbs just announced it kinda... misplaced the 100bn the taxpayer provided
17:47	mircea_popescu	so i guess another 2-3-500bn is in order.
17:48	asciilifeform	usg ought to send me a new passport if the damn thing splits
17:48	asciilifeform	(u.s. passports have 'birthplace' field)
17:49	mircea_popescu	i'd say it's about 70% settled the crimeea splits off.
17:49	kakobrekla	well,... he did mention ukraine.
17:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00550025 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2}
17:50	mircea_popescu	lol a little much
17:50	mircea_popescu	http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/when-private-patrols-pull-the-trigger/Content?oid=3848954
17:50	ozbot	When Private Patrols Pull The Trigger |
17:50	mircea_popescu	brandished a lethal prybar and advanced toward the security guard in a threatening manner
17:51	mircea_popescu	"Much of the debate has focused on the ethics and effectiveness of bringing more guns and officers to wealthier parts of Oakland."
17:51	mircea_popescu	yeah dude, it's totally unethical for rich people to have better shit than poor people.
17:52	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: phun phact. security detail at the us army lab where i used to work was 100% rentacop
17:52	asciilifeform	just like the ones at shopping malls
17:52	mircea_popescu	afaik it's pretty much rent a cop everywhere.
17:52	mircea_popescu	right, banks, upscale retailers, the works.
17:52	asciilifeform	one would imagine that an army base would be guarded by grunts
17:53	mircea_popescu	i don't think i know a manhattan hotel that doesn't
17:53	asciilifeform	but no.
17:53	mircea_popescu	grunts are about as fucking useless as you'd imagine.
17:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11729364 = 0.3519 BTC [+] {3}
17:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
17:53	asciilifeform	blue rentacops, with very 'western' chromed six-shooters.
17:53	mircea_popescu	fucking idiots too.
17:54	mircea_popescu	cluj airport, about 15 years ago. previously unsecured at all, because well... originally was secured by army, then those went out, a whole story.
17:54	mircea_popescu	airport had no security for like a year
17:54	mircea_popescu	eventually the head decided they must hire somebody
17:54	asciilifeform	haha - and no one stole it.
17:54	mircea_popescu	so they hired this ridiculous company, full of basically idiots
17:55	mircea_popescu	they lined up about 40% chicks, and it really looked like phi kappa gamma or some shit
17:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00471514 = 0.7073 BTC [-] {6}
17:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [-]
17:55	mircea_popescu	one day i went behind one of these "security agents" and took her gun right out of her holster.
17:55	mircea_popescu	just like that.
17:55	mircea_popescu	gave it to the boss next we met.
17:55	mircea_popescu	not like she could have fired it anyway, the gun was a .45 and the chick was like 90 lbs
17:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999997 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}
17:56	asciilifeform	as i understand, this is routinely done to u.s. cops
17:56	asciilifeform	in soviet army, losing your weapon was (theoretically) a capital offense.
17:56	mircea_popescu	well romanian army was heavily influenced, so same.
17:57	asciilifeform	.45 ACP?
17:57	asciilifeform	i thought it only existed on this side of the atlantic
17:58	mircea_popescu	iirc it was a ruger
17:58	mircea_popescu	very respectable gun, definitely would have sold for more than its "owner", on the open market.
17:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11739982 = 0.2348 BTC [+] {2}
18:00	asciilifeform	phun phact: it is said that modern russia still has a huge stockpile of unused 45acp, shipped during 'lend-lease', along with a multitude of 'tommy gun', never used
18:00	asciilifeform	(from same)
18:00	mircea_popescu	wouldn't you think they'd have been reclaimed during the 90s ?
18:00	asciilifeform	sitting in some 'indiana jones' style warehouse
18:01	asciilifeform	in the '90s, russian market was full of 'reclaimed' military/police hardware of that period, so not much use for 45
18:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 32.43982214 BTC to 80`674 shares, 40211 satoshi per share
18:01	asciilifeform	(reclaimed in the sense of that guard)
18:01	mircea_popescu	lemme see if i can find this footage again
18:05	mircea_popescu	seems to have disappeared. anyway.
18:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08133333 = 0.244 BTC [+] {2}
18:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11739999 BTC [+]
18:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6477 @ 0.00086689 = 5.6148 BTC [+]
18:06	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what was it ?
18:07	mircea_popescu	troop of gendarmes, losing weapons on march
18:07	mircea_popescu	it was a rare sight
18:09	mircea_popescu	passerbys were like... hey dude... don't you like... need that ?
18:10	asciilifeform	1) arrange to 'lose' hardware 2) finder 'finds' 3) profit!1!
18:10	asciilifeform	is the traditional formula.
18:10	mircea_popescu	nah, these were just dazed kids.
18:10	mircea_popescu	was in the fucking central square, broad daylight, 1k people around
18:10	asciilifeform	anybody picked it up?
18:11	mircea_popescu	well nobody wanted it apparently.
18:11	asciilifeform	well, no one is likely to 'want' it before sun down.
18:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.116 BTC [-]
18:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11599999 = 0.232 BTC [-]
18:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
18:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
18:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11599999 BTC [-]
18:17	mircea_popescu	http://news.yahoo.com/russia-sent-several-hundred-troops-ukraine-us-official-225850494.html
18:17	ozbot	Russia sent 'several hundred' troops into Ukraine: US official - Yahoo News
18:17	nubbins`	nod
18:17	nubbins`	go-time
18:18	asciilifeform	from 'recommended' tab in that piece: 'Substitute teacher, 72, arrested for furiously masturbating in high school hallway.'
18:18	nubbins`	reports of armed soldiers @ the airports
18:18	nubbins`	asciilifeform: is there any other way?!
18:31	mircea_popescu	from the oldies but goldies dept : http://trilema.com/2013/the-state-banking-and-bitcoin/
18:40	mircea_popescu	"Rome days away from bankruptcy. Eternal city warns it will go bust for the first time since it was destroyed by Nero."
18:41	mircea_popescu	let that be a warning to anyone thinking about passing legislation disrespectful of bitcoin :
18:41	mircea_popescu	bankruptcy is not only a possibility, but quite a reality.
18:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0525 = 0.2625 BTC [-]
18:45	BingoBoingo	Rome ==== the Detroit of Europe
18:45	nubbins`	i've always kind of felt that organized groups of humans are inherently unstable after you surpass a certain size
18:46	mircea_popescu	pretty much. gypstaly and all that.
18:46	mircea_popescu	nubbins` rome worked ok for along time.
18:48	mircea_popescu	"Rome won't even have money to canonize two Popes, John-Paul II and John XXIII"
18:49	mircea_popescu	imagine poor wojtyla sitting in heaven,
18:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59999997 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}
18:49	mircea_popescu	"hey, you a saint yet ?" "naw, they can't fucking afford the fumigation bill"
18:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.081 = 1.215 BTC [-]
18:56	moiety	mew :)
18:58	mircea_popescu	moiety http://i.imgur.com/DWGvT.gif
18:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00483897 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}
18:59	*	moiety would reply to mircea but is too busy searching the house for bulldog clips
18:59	moiety	thats crazy!
19:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.004839 = 0.1887 BTC [+]
19:01	mircea_popescu	works on womenz too.
19:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00484 = 0.3098 BTC [+]
19:01	mircea_popescu	if they're cats.
19:02	mircea_popescu	and of course, http://i.imgur.com/UaNm6fv.gif
19:02	moiety	relevant: http://i.imgur.com/Fhek8DO.png
19:03	moiety	awwww!!!!
19:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00484 = 0.5324 BTC [+]
19:03	moiety	this one is fighting back http://i.imgur.com/k1N13cY.gif
19:03	BingoBoingo	And it's March!
19:04	moiety	Happy March everyone, have some bear biscuits i made yesterday https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/p526x296/1939461_10200749700904440_715359882_n.jpg
19:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1190 @ 0.00484 = 5.7596 BTC [+]
19:06	moiety	its not march for you yet bingo!
19:06	jurov	nice
19:07	BingoBoingo	moiety: How are you to know I'm not traveling?
19:07	moiety	because if you were travelling to my timezone, you shouldve told me
19:07	moiety	girl logic. simples
19:08	BingoBoingo	moiety: What about the african, ocean, or antarctic parts of the timezone?
19:08	jurov	and what about moon timezone?
19:09	BingoBoingo	I guess Maybe the Moon is UTC as well, but there's no people there to ask.
19:10	kakobrekla	doges know about the moon timezone.
19:10	moiety	BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/iWRYZI0.gif
19:10	moiety	mircea actually posted that hif ages ago, i saved it because it's my whole being in a gif sadly
19:11	moiety	but yeah, hadn't thought about the other bits of the timezone
19:11	nubbins`	bulldog clips, handy things
19:12	nubbins`	we have a clothesline full of 'em
19:12	moiety	as my cats are going to find out nubbins` !
19:12	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Do doges do time well enough to have that concept?
19:13	nubbins`	you're going to clip your cats? :(
19:13	moiety	no im kidding
19:13	moiety	i couldnt find any clips
19:13	nubbins`	D;
19:13	nubbins`	GOOD
19:13	moiety	im kidding!
19:14	kakobrekla	well, the did manage to get fake astronauts suits, so gotta give them some credit.
19:14	moiety	btw, what was the name of r3wt's exchange?
19:15	BingoBoingo	moiety: Openex.pw
19:15	moiety	thanks
19:15	moiety	no ne has been daft enough to trade with him have they?
19:15	moiety	no one*
19:15	BingoBoingo	moiety: Well it was the only place to trade ATC on a website before Apocalyptic did his thing
19:16	jurov	$avg
19:16	mpexbot	jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
19:16	jurov	;;ticker --market btcavg
19:16	gribble	BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 539.89, Best ask: 544.21, Bid-ask spread: 4.32000, Last trade: 540.75, 24 hour volume: 53682.53, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 567.22
19:17	jurov	*crosses fingers and uses this as input*
19:18	mircea_popescu	jurov don't do that.
19:18	mircea_popescu	wait for ann
19:18	jurov	ah mkay
19:18	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
19:18	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 541.15, vol: 24838.25261283 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 531.2, vol: 12183.12848 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 542.25444, vol: 15293.33238379 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 568.5, vol: 81.45490132 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 551.660382, vol: 7295.14400000 | Volume-weighted last average: 540.723991296
19:19	BingoBoingo	Volume is still deficient in Zeros
19:20	moiety	we'll be seeing gox staplers and sellotape dispensers on ebay soon
19:20	*	nubbins` raises eyebrow
19:20	nubbins`	quick question, mpex signup fees are *not* distributed as mpoe dividends, correct?
19:21	jurov	they are
19:21	nubbins`	:o
19:21	nubbins`	SOMEBODY GIVE ME A FUCKING COMPUTER
19:21	jurov	;;slap nubbins`
19:21	*	gribble slaps nubbins` with a battered trout
19:22	BingoBoingo	;;lasers nubbins`
19:22	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
19:22	moiety	lol! i love gribble
19:26	kakobrekla	nubbins` how else would it have been a ponzi
19:26	nubbins`	good point
19:26	*	nubbins` signs up twice so as to get best value for money
19:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66495 @ 0.00086856 = 57.7549 BTC [+] {8}
19:27	moiety	why does gox even still have a value for btcusd?
19:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087135 = 8.4521 BTC [+]
19:27	nubbins`	nostalgia
19:28	kakobrekla	cause servers are paid until the end of the month
19:29	mircea_popescu	^
19:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [-]
19:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.10808001 = 0.5404 BTC [-] {2}
19:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.08264585 = 0.8265 BTC [+] {5}
19:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
19:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08366666 = 0.251 BTC [+] {2}
19:34	nubbins`	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/10664372/RBS-has-lost-all-the-46bn-pumped-in-by-the-taxpayer.html
19:34	moiety	youre kidding
19:35	nubbins`	often, yes, but right now i'm just pasting links :D
19:35	moiety	lol sorry, just derping aloud
19:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 48 @ 0.00666667 = 0.32 BTC [+]
19:36	moiety	i wonder how they plan to buy natwest now then
19:37	moiety	santander were meant to but backed out. RBS picked up the tab but not for all branches. only some across scotland. now we have these stupid card readers and about 30 redirects to get to online banking
19:40	mircea_popescu	nubbins` was more like 100bn, and also is in log :D
19:40	nubbins`	i actually read it today, don't often click links tho ;(
19:41	nubbins`	but yah, #46bn is like 85-90bn cad
19:41	nubbins`	amazing
19:41	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
19:41	nubbins`	staggering, even
19:42	assbot	STAGGERING COMPANY!
19:43	nubbins`	roommates are spitting about how gross it is
19:43	kakobrekla	like the shit on the toilet from back in the day?
19:43	mircea_popescu	lmao
19:43	nubbins`	hahah
19:44	nubbins`	the shitter bought me a bag of potato chips and two cookies as an apology yesterday ;(
19:44	kakobrekla	did he say "i smeared it with that, you can now try it out yourself"
19:45	nubbins`	no details on the incident were released
19:45	moiety	aside from google image search, is there anything that i can search for a picture being wrongly used?
19:45	nubbins`	tineye
19:46	nubbins`	(canadian!)
19:46	moiety	oh thanks very much :D thats fab
19:47	nubbins`	so i dropped my rpm challenge CDs off today at the record store, and they gave me a coupon for 15% off my next purchase!
19:48	mircea_popescu	so i guess you need blanks then
19:49	nubbins`	i had to buy a spindle of cd-rs. felt really weird.
19:49	HeySteve	hmm, any news announcement yet?
19:49	nubbins`	not sure what i'm going to do with the other 48 of them
19:50	HeySteve	obamacare is using the doge meme. o tempora o mores! http://blogs.marketwatch.com/health-exchange/2014/02/26/hhs-borrows-doge-meme-to-sell-obamacare-and-elicits-a-few-groans/?mod=MW_home_latest_news&link=sfmw
19:51	nubbins`	o discordia!
19:51	moiety	no joy with tineye but i will keep checking, thank you nubbins`
19:51	asciilifeform	funfun - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-cuba-russia-ship-20140227,0,7642471.story
19:53	moiety	asciilifeform! did you see the molten metal 3D printer robot? and the one that can print a house in 24 hours? 3D printers aren't as good as lasers but they are still cool.
19:53	asciilifeform	moiety: sintering machine? old news
19:53	asciilifeform	i think diametric has one
19:53	nubbins`	so after a quick google search led me to the wikipedia page about discordia, the story behind EFNet's name is suddenly funnier
19:53	asciilifeform	(or maybe not - you need inert gas)
19:54	Mats_cd03	.bait
19:54	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/cee51a34672b1b88c22de04ca3df30a6/tumblr_mes6ctZd4x1rrqd70o1_1280.jpg
19:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 278 @ 0.00484 = 1.3455 BTC [+]
19:55	HeySteve	discordia is a dark tower thing isn't it? what's that to do with EFNet?
19:56	nubbins`	among other things, it is indeed mentioned in the dark tower
19:56	asciilifeform	moiety: sintering printer typically uses the same setup as laser cutter, with a bucket full of powdered Al or whichever metal where the bed would normally go
19:56	nubbins`	discordia is the latin name of the greek goddess eris
19:56	asciilifeform	you fuze a layer, then spread more powder, and so on, until the piece is complete
19:56	nubbins`	who was the goddess of strife, chaos, and discord
19:56	moiety	asciilifeform: i was just looking it up. the laarman prototype from earlier in feb?
19:57	moiety	http://youtu.be/NFF0QQIQDXE
19:57	ozbot	MX3D printing - YouTube
19:57	asciilifeform	moiety: the basic concept goes back to the '80s
19:57	asciilifeform	none of this is really new.
19:57	nubbins`	the lel being that EFNet (eris-free network) got its name after its predecessor network delinked a server called irc.eris.<tld>
19:57	moiety	jesus 80s?
19:57	nubbins`	because eris sucked so bad
19:57	nubbins`	and with a name like that, how could it not!
19:58	nubbins`	sorry, eris.berkeley.edu
19:58	nubbins`	either way
19:58	nubbins`	bit of a chuckle
19:58	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/
19:58	asciilifeform	moiety: the machine pictured in the video is just a tig welder attached to xyz arm, it seems
19:58	ozbot	MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:58	mircea_popescu	and there it is.
19:59	nubbins`	wow.
19:59	nubbins`	such div
19:59	moiety	it just looks so cool asciilifeform ... it's all exciting to me still lol
19:59	mod6	O_O
20:01	Duffer1	PR, 2.875 :(
20:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67520 @ 0.0008656 = 58.4453 BTC [-] {6}
20:03	nubbins`	:O just finished reading
20:03	*	nubbins` marks calendar
20:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183179 @ 0.00084112 = 154.0755 BTC [-] {18}
20:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.11 = 1.65 BTC [+]
20:04	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if mpex acct costs 30, how did 'from new accts' add up to 70?
20:04	Bugpowder	nice month!
20:04	asciilifeform	can i buy 1/3 of an acct?
20:04	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it can generate either 30 btc or 20 btc
20:04	mircea_popescu	depending on whether people use referrals or not
20:05	asciilifeform	ahaha
20:05	mircea_popescu	referral = each gets 5 rebate, the referrer and the referred.
20:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29761 @ 0.00087236 = 25.9623 BTC [+] {3}
20:05	nubbins`	1/3 of account has SELL disabled, do not buy
20:06	asciilifeform	'instead of office chair, package contained bobcat. A++, would trade again'
20:06	nubbins`	heh
20:06	Bugpowder	well that's kinda annoying... Someone sold to 75000?
20:06	nubbins`	those things are expensive!
20:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00488995 = 2.445 BTC [+]
20:06	asciilifeform	nubbins`: http://xkcd.com/325
20:07	nubbins`	lel @ alt ;(
20:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 696 @ 0.0048934 = 3.4058 BTC [+] {3}
20:08	nubbins`	wait, it's friday, isn't it?
20:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1256 @ 0.00499775 = 6.2772 BTC [+] {5}
20:08	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/slum-landlords-pocketing-social-assistance-money-for-rent-1.2554226
20:08	ozbot	Slum landlords pocketing social assistance money for rent - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
20:09	nubbins`	a slum landlord owns maybe half of the houses on my street
20:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.005 = 0.38 BTC [+] {4}
20:09	asciilifeform	nubbins`: wait - what are they supposed to pocket as rent ?
20:09	nubbins`	oh, you!
20:09	Duffer1	I mostly specify this as a parting fuck you broadside to the MtGox troop of idiots, who thought that perhaps if they re-do the original MtGox “hack” I may have trouble. It’s cute, I guess, in the sense of a bunch of ducks trying to work together to provoke waves that’ll sink a neighbouring battleship.
20:10	nubbins`	i once called this slumlord to inform him that i was getting the city to clean up the apartment's worth of possessions his workers dumped on the sidewalk, on his dime
20:10	nubbins`	halfway through the conversation he interrupts me with "what are you telling me for?", followed by a toilet flushing
20:10	nubbins`	had a good lel at that after i calmed down
20:11	asciilifeform	'If they're taking in taxpayer dollars to provide accommodations for their tenants, there should be some oversight — especially by government — as to what people are living in.'
20:11	asciilifeform	imagine if this actually happened
20:11	nubbins`	lel
20:11	nubbins`	well the next logical step would be oversight as to what the tenants spend their remaining money on
20:11	BingoBoingo	Wow, Bitcoin finally outgrew fiat exchanges
20:11	asciilifeform	(see the 'last psychiatrist' piece mp linked to the other day)
20:11	mircea_popescu	so basically the canadian government actually wants to run everything or what
20:11	nubbins`	and good luck with that
20:12	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo not without some trepidation.
20:12	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, the cbc wants that, but the government doesn't
20:12	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: This is so much more thrilling than last spring.
20:12	nubbins`	(incidentally, this is a provincial, not a federal, thing)
20:12	mircea_popescu	lol
20:12	mircea_popescu	it IS always the spring, isn't it.
20:12	*	nubbins` thinks
20:12	nubbins`	actually, no, it's not
20:13	nubbins`	anyway, there's no solution
20:13	copumpkin	omg lord master mircea_popescu has decreed that the price be $500
20:13	copumpkin	and it will be so
20:13	Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: so dividend gets paid March 3?
20:13	mircea_popescu	yeah
20:13	mircea_popescu	copumpkin ;/
20:13	mircea_popescu	what the fuck am i to do
20:13	nubbins`	so a house gets bedbugs. the landlord fumigates at great expense. the dirtbags infest the place again. repeat ad infinitum.
20:13	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Indeed. SHit happend in spring. Then calms during the summer when schoolkids have too much time, a bit of drama happens in the fall, there is a bit of winter buildup, then SPRING
20:13	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I don't know! just commenting
20:13	mircea_popescu	at least mine's platonially solid.
20:14	*	copumpkin debates selling his MPOE shares
20:14	asciilifeform	nubbins`: 'zyklon-b' ?
20:14	mircea_popescu	platonically*
20:14	nubbins`	alternately: a house gets bedbugs. the tenants fumigate at great expense. the bedbugs come back from the house next door. repeat ad infinitum.
20:14	mircea_popescu	nubbins` is it expensive to fumigate ?
20:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0051 = 0.255 BTC [+]
20:14	nubbins`	well the problem is most of downtown is row houses, attached on both sides. generally fumigation doesn't do shit
20:14	BingoBoingo	Prolly expensive in Canada, but in canada everything is expensive.
20:15	nubbins`	BingoBoingo, everything but the drugs
20:15	mircea_popescu	(i've never fumigated anything. oddly enough, bedbugs etc do not exist in romania)
20:15	nubbins`	they didn't exist here either until the past couple years
20:15	nubbins`	this is a very recent thing
20:15	mircea_popescu	welfare helps all bugs and cockroaches across the board
20:15	mircea_popescu	not just the bipedal ones.
20:15	nubbins`	nod
20:15	Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: would you mind flushing another deposit before my laptop battery dies?
20:15	asciilifeform	story goes that they were re-introduced from somewhere in mexico.
20:15	mircea_popescu	nope.
20:15	nubbins`	the other problem is that welfare tenants generally won't tell the landlord if the house is infested.
20:16	nubbins`	the only clues are a succession of stained mattresses and couches left on the sidewalk over a period of several weeks
20:16	mircea_popescu	nubbins` or anyone else anything else, for that matter.
20:16	nubbins`	nod
20:16	mircea_popescu	i vividly recall this discussion between a veterinarian and a inner city md
20:16	mircea_popescu	vet : "well, it's easier to be an md, at least your patients can tell you wtf is wrong"
20:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 44 @ 0.0055 = 0.242 BTC
20:16	asciilifeform	20th c. wants to come back! measles, polio...
20:16	mircea_popescu	md : "its much easier to be a vet. animals don't lie"
20:17	nubbins`	animals don't just want a prescription for ritalin
20:17	mircea_popescu	right.
20:17	nubbins`	people don't hide in cat carriers
20:17	nubbins`	i'd say it's about even
20:17	BingoBoingo	Dogs and crackheads both bite though
20:17	nubbins`	there ya go
20:17	nubbins`	common ground
20:17	mircea_popescu	you mean bitches
20:18	BingoBoingo	Nah, bitches behave
20:18	BingoBoingo	Ratchets on the other hand
20:18	mircea_popescu	is behave short for beaver shave ?
20:18	BingoBoingo	Ofc
20:18	BingoBoingo	ourse
20:18	nubbins`	heh
20:18	nubbins`	so loquacious ;p
20:19	mircea_popescu	o who wanted to be pinged when this is published
20:20	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-s-new-freedoms-outrage-manitoba-mp-shelly-glover-1.2555600
20:20	ozbot	Vince Li's new freedoms outrage Manitoba MP Shelly Glover - Manitoba - CBC News
20:20	nubbins`	^ this guy cut a man's head off on a greyhound bus
20:20	Bugpowder	whoops.. Finally read to the bottom.
20:21	asciilifeform	related: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/02/18/norways_mass_murderer_brievik_threatens_hunger_strike_for_better_video_games.html
20:21	mircea_popescu	lol
20:21	mircea_popescu	jhahaha
20:21	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 wanted the ping
20:21	mircea_popescu	a ty.
20:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i guess a guy's gotta have goals in life.
20:22	nubbins`	y'know, i feel like i'd enjoy nordic prison
20:22	mircea_popescu	did he want gta4 or what ?
20:22	nubbins`	burn down a church? here's a synthesizer!
20:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.0007963 = 14.1741 BTC [-]
20:23	mircea_popescu	$vwap s.mpex
20:24	mpexbot	mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
20:24	mircea_popescu	$vwap s.mpoe
20:24	HeySteve	<nubbins`> ^ this guy cut a man's head off on a greyhound bus < I would be cranky too if I had to use public transport
20:24	mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00086156 high: 0.00087256 low: 0.00075 volume: 1438116 btc: 1239.0294164 7 day: average: 0.00087156 high: 0.0008982 low: 0.00075 volume: 7049383 btc: 6143.97817607 30 day: average: 0.0008793 high: 0.00096 low: 0.00075 volume: 28915312 btc: 25425.2607003
20:24	nubbins`	had to? he coulda flown!
20:24	mircea_popescu	tbh, in some places public transport is a delight.
20:24	nubbins`	they tried to market the bus here as "your own 40 foot limo", to much derision
20:24	mircea_popescu	generally, large uni centers etc.
20:25	asciilifeform	'greyhound', for people on the other side of the ocean, is a 'tourist' bus, kitted out like an airplane
20:25	nubbins`	generally people don't have to wait in the cold for an hour to get a limo, though
20:25	asciilifeform	rather than an ordinary city bus
20:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
20:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i spent months going through the eastern us on greyhounds
20:25	mircea_popescu	it was very informative.
20:26	asciilifeform	most people here take the 'chinese' bus instead, these days
20:26	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rcd4Yfo0q0
20:26	ozbot	jonathan richman - you're crazy for taking the bus - YouTube
20:26	asciilifeform	exactly like 'greyhound' but costs 1/3.
20:26	nubbins`	^ relevant song, also very informative
20:26	moiety	nubbins`: bed bugs a) have nothing to do with the hygiene of a place and b) can hop to the house next door
20:26	nubbins`	moiety: that's where my fears come from, yep
20:27	moiety	can't** sorry
20:27	nubbins`	oh yes they can!
20:27	mircea_popescu	of course they can
20:28	moiety	not a building they cannot
20:28	mircea_popescu	and of course they have to do with the hygiene. what are oyu talking about ?
20:28	nubbins`	if you live in a city that looks like this, they most definitely can hop to the house next door: http://imgur.com/1SntHHD
20:28	moiety	http://insects.about.com/od/truebugs/a/10-Myths-About-Bed-Bugs.htm
20:28	moiety	they like fuckin blood not dirt
20:29	mircea_popescu	moiety this may be true, but they do have migration patterns.
20:29	mircea_popescu	they're not like blood seeking missiles their entire lives.
20:29	moiety	no i can't see them migrating like geese their way door-to-door down a street though
20:29	mircea_popescu	(and if they didn't migrate, you'd have difficulty explaining how the fuck they even exist in the americas in the first place)
20:29	nubbins`	who said door to door?
20:30	nubbins`	i share two walls with neighbours
20:30	moiety	sorry i thought thats what you meant when you said fromthe house next door
20:30	BingoBoingo	Honestly I am more concerned about ticks when I go outside than bedbugs invading my space. This stuff used generously at points of egress keeps all kinds of small undesirables out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth
20:30	moiety	oh christ i didn't realise we were being literal as to entry points. i honestly don't think bedbugs use doors
20:30	nubbins`	you don't see ticks here
20:31	nubbins`	moiety, they're not tall enough to reach the handle, for starters
20:31	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Because you live in an icy wasteland
20:31	moiety	lololol
20:31	nubbins`	BingoBoingo: shush, it's only icy for like 7 months.
20:31	moiety	maybe they could work together
20:31	mircea_popescu	lmao bedbug tower
20:31	moiety	yes! like the sheep from wallace and gromit
20:31	mircea_popescu	spray with tit silicone, put on display
20:32	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/swiss-arms-classic-green-rifle-ban-to-be-reviewed-by-government-1.2555746
20:32	ozbot	Swiss Arms Classic Green rifle ban to be reviewed by government - Politics - CBC News
20:32	nubbins`	cbc is actually interesting today
20:32	BingoBoingo	I mean I don't trust bedbugs because they fuck by cesarean. Ticks though carry all kinds of nasty diseases and fumigating "The Great Outdoors" is difficult.
20:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
20:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you know real men don't get lyme
20:33	mircea_popescu	(tm)
20:33	nubbins`	there are actually relatively few things that can kill you here
20:33	nubbins`	aside from, y'know, the elements.
20:33	moiety	http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/entertainment_shaun_the_sheep/img/1.jpg
20:33	moiety	like this ^
20:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.0008 = 30.84 BTC [+]
20:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.10800003 = 0.216 BTC [-]
20:34	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: There's quite a few other nastier diseases than lyme. Lyme just gets the press because pseudo-medicine makes better news.
20:34	moiety	my house is to be assessed for something called Legionnaires apparently.
20:35	mircea_popescu	moiety take moar cold showers.
20:36	nubbins`	eeee, yipes
20:36	nubbins`	there were a few big legionnaires outbreaks in canada the past couple years
20:36	nubbins`	something like 2 dozen people in an old folks home died in 2012 i think
20:36	moiety	is it very bad? they have to assess rented flats every two years by law my letter says
20:37	bitcoinpete	howdy
20:37	moiety	hi pete :)
20:37	mircea_popescu	moiety it's not that bad. wear something loose.
20:37	bitcoinpete	It's incredibly late here in bruxelles but I thought I'd leave my latest von blooog post for your casual readying enjoyment.
20:38	bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/patience-en-ville/
20:38	ozbot	Patience En Ville | When Bitcoin Met Pete
20:38	bitcoinpete	I'm off to bed, then I'll be in the logs as usual.
20:38	bitcoinpete	Cheers and bon soir
20:38	moiety	my bathroom is very clean, i will say that
20:38	nubbins`	charlie's in the trees, pete's in the logs
20:39	mircea_popescu	an' teh poofs are in the pudding
20:39	nubbins`	there's a dick surgery song where it's discussed that the details are also in the pudding
20:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00079865 = 31.7863 BTC [-] {3}
20:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+]
20:40	nubbins`	well. "song" is being generous
20:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38009 @ 0.00077761 = 29.5562 BTC [-] {2}
20:42	moiety	BingoBoingo: i decided what to do with my btc domain. im making a scottish item shop. not giving up on my stamping plan though
20:42	BingoBoingo	moiety: Solid decision
20:43	moiety	you mean it?
20:45	BingoBoingo	moiety: Yeah, much better than a decision where you have to stamp every product and in the process look like Rosie the Riveter. Being Bitcoin's source for Scottish shit sounds like something worth trying.
20:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114260 @ 0.00075144 = 85.8595 BTC [-] {3}
20:47	moiety	lol actually... i hadnt thought of that.. "sorry your order is delayed.. i'm not very fit and i got tired making it"
20:48	nubbins`	canned haggis
20:48	MisterE	fuck that
20:48	moiety	ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
20:49	MisterE	Shagging sheeps
20:49	MisterE	or is that a scouser thing?
20:50	nubbins`	somebody give me the elevator pitch on buttercoin.com
20:50	BingoBoingo	moiety: I though we touched on that problem when you presented the plan. Stamping metal with a hammer is tiring work
20:50	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Herpitty Derp derp
20:50	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i can;t believe it's not margerine.
20:51	nubbins`	ty, that works
20:51	moiety	i thought it be ok because they were small things BingoBoingo btw there is people opening a dog cafe and a cat cafe in london. edinburgh seems to have none.....
20:52	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I can't find your key on my keyserver
20:52	copumpkin	I'm on a different computer and found I didn't have it in my list
20:52	copumpkin	keys.gnupg.net
20:52	copumpkin	which should I be searching for?
20:54	copumpkin	oh you have the key in the page
20:56	BingoBoingo	I'm rather surprised http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ isn't getting more action yet as it focuses on the most important precedent this recent crimea lulz covers.
20:57	moiety	omg i have it all planned out, we could totally do a bar. bingoboingo barman, asciilifeform doing the laser lights, nubbins` sorting pest control, bugpowder green flourescent protein glowsticks, benkay on music and mircea dancing girls!
20:58	moiety	or not
20:58	nubbins`	as much as i'd like to move overseas to wield a can of raid
20:59	BingoBoingo	moiety: Honestly if you want to open a bar the best place to position your business in relation to me is one such that I am a customer.
20:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0837 = 0.2511 BTC [+] {2}
20:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05150011 = 0.103 BTC [-]
20:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
21:00	moiety	BingoBoingo: you're right, you can prop up the bar
21:00	moiety	or remove riff raff
21:00	BingoBoingo	I could do both.
21:01	mircea_popescu	copumpkin it's on my blog
21:01	copumpkin	yeah got it :)
21:01	moiety	ok, not paying you twice so will pay in alcohol
21:02	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo maybe people dunno wtf boogaloo is supposed to be
21:02	mircea_popescu	<nubbins`> as much as i'd like to move overseas to wield a can of raid << lmao
21:02	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I though the Internet was strong enough people know electric boogaloo's are sequels.
21:02	mircea_popescu	your customer service sucs
21:03	mircea_popescu	and is arrgorant
21:03	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I keep getting unrecognized signature even though I'm using the same key I used to sign up :(
21:03	copumpkin	says to email you my key but I did that long long ago :P
21:04	mircea_popescu	copumpkin did you ever re-email it as per teh verification last year /
21:04	mircea_popescu	?
21:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11379998 BTC [+]
21:04	copumpkin	oh, no
21:04	copumpkin	I wasn't paying attention
21:04	copumpkin	that was a thing?
21:04	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Really the point of Ukraine as of now isn't the end political outcome, as far as that bet is concerned. It's determining how overtly "Black Ops" can happen in a white people country before commandos have to have affiliations, because Geneva protocols and conventions and such.
21:04	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I guess you have no way to contact me or even any knowledge of me having an account :P
21:05	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCkT4K-hppE
21:05	ozbot	Beirut - Nantes - YouTube
21:05	mircea_popescu	copumpkin mpex may be the only entity in bitcoin which has gone two years without sending a single greatly informative and muchly important email blast.
21:06	copumpkin	:)
21:06	mircea_popescu	but anyway, lemme dig it for you.
21:06	copumpkin	only because you don't have my email!
21:06	copumpkin	:P
21:06	copumpkin	should I just email you the key again?
21:06	nubbins`	just email mine instead
21:06	copumpkin	(goes to show how active a user I am)
21:06	mircea_popescu	yeah.
21:07	copumpkin	nubbins`: lol
21:07	mircea_popescu	well technically you could extract some sort of email from gpg keys, but i never bothered to.
21:07	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: office@polimedia? that's where the old one went
21:07	mircea_popescu	yea
21:07	nubbins`	'cause, y'know, it'd work or something
21:07	BingoBoingo	OMG copumpkin is selling his S.MPOE, sell first!!!
21:07	copumpkin	BingoBoingo: nah, trying to remember how much I have
21:07	copumpkin	and I can't even run a STAT: P
21:09	mircea_popescu	lol
21:09	mircea_popescu	eleven bentlees
21:09	copumpkin	that'd be amusing
21:09	copumpkin	I don't think I can even afford one bentley though
21:09	nubbins`	bentleys are vulgar
21:09	mircea_popescu	o look, greene sueing mtgox
21:10	mircea_popescu	copumpkin anyone with s.mpoe stock should afford a bentley!
21:10	copumpkin	lol
21:10	copumpkin	I don't think I bought enough of it back then
21:10	mircea_popescu	copumpkin bentleys are divisible, so you should at least get a few bentloshis.
21:11	copumpkin	lol I hope so
21:11	moiety	LOL
21:11	copumpkin	but what keyserver can I find your keys on?
21:12	copumpkin	I want to encrypt my email to office but I can't find the key for it
21:12	mircea_popescu	i has no idea ?
21:12	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Still looking at the legal history of Illinois governors, being a n00b and being pissed about Gox because he was too good for warnings makes his Derping rather inconsequential in the history of embarassing things about Illinois
21:12	copumpkin	oh well
21:12	mircea_popescu	copumpkin http://trilema.com/pgp/
21:12	mircea_popescu	it's impossible to keep track of keyservers and i kind-of gave up.
21:12	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the law firm is the key there.
21:12	mircea_popescu	they wanted to do the suit. it's clearly a zerocost thing.
21:13	copumpkin	okay, emailed and encrypted :D
21:13	nubbins`	best thing that ever happened to illinois was a sufjan stevens album
21:13	mircea_popescu	talking about how it's a "natural extension of their practice" and whatnot
21:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.599 BTC [-]
21:13	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: where would you say you fall on the political spectrum?
21:13	mircea_popescu	asshole.
21:13	copumpkin	lol
21:13	nubbins`	lel
21:14	copumpkin	so you want to be a politician
21:14	mircea_popescu	maybe vajina some days.
21:14	mircea_popescu	where do you fall ?
21:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00509999 = 0.2805 BTC [-]
21:14	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Eh, if it isn't Cueto and Cueto it isn't an Illinois enough case
21:14	mircea_popescu	"So, we don’t have to worry about Japanese laws and how they apply."
21:14	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I'm firmly in the "don't be an asshole" camp :)
21:15	copumpkin	I'm sure that's a huge surprise to you
21:15	mircea_popescu	hallo we are 12 and don't need to worry about our asshole.
21:15	mircea_popescu	copumpkin lol
21:15	BingoBoingo	Lol, derpy n00bs http://www.edelson.com/jay-edelson/
21:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.0051 = 0.7191 BTC [+] {2}
21:15	mircea_popescu	obviously, as you'd imagine, my view is that the world is split among the assholes that admit it and the assholes that don't.
21:16	copumpkin	I actually don't entirely disagree
21:16	mircea_popescu	also asshole kinda looks like fasole,
21:16	mircea_popescu	which is romanian for beans
21:16	copumpkin	lol
21:16	mircea_popescu	which are empirically related
21:16	BingoBoingo	What is it with people trying to do anything in Illinois and not realizing you have to buy whatever jurisdiction you want to operate in, either outright or as a time-share
21:17	nubbins`	i made refried beans for the first time last week
21:17	nubbins`	i think i mentioned it at the time
21:17	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo maybe they has ? tbh the dumbledore lawyer guy sort-of evokes jackie chiles for me.
21:17	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: do you have some sort of defense against replay attacks on mpex btw? what if I send a "sell X" command and someone sniffs it and sends it again?
21:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0051 = 0.51 BTC [+]
21:17	nubbins`	it's too bad they're called that in english, because it's kind of a rotten name for a food
21:17	mircea_popescu	copumpkin try it ?
21:17	copumpkin	all I get for now is "unrecognized signature" :)
21:18	mircea_popescu	nubbins` if that's your ocmplaint what about tossed salad ?
21:18	mircea_popescu	copumpkin clearly secure then :D
21:18	nubbins`	we call it garden salad here
21:18	mircea_popescu	but srsly, yes.
21:18	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: lol
21:18	nubbins`	as you can imagine, tossed salad brings jelly-covered anus to mind
21:19	mircea_popescu	ahahahaha omfg no fucking way
21:19	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i finally clicked your link. DO THESE ATTORNEYS EVEN LEAFT!
21:19	mircea_popescu	s/ATTORNEYS/ATTORNYES
21:19	nubbins`	ATTRNOYES
21:20	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: will I get some sort of confirmation when the key is accepted?
21:20	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: See, like the Groupons of the Illinois legal game
21:20	mircea_popescu	copumpkin yeah
21:20	copumpkin	cool
21:20	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: what's your opinion on the whole gox thing, think they'll get back up after a while? :P
21:20	*	copumpkin watches MPOE crash to 0.000000001
21:20	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo does that page look as broken to you as it does to me or is it just a case of "our designer made it look good in chrome"
21:21	mircea_popescu	Azelphur you can freely trade mtgox debt for bitcoinica debt on a 1:1 parity
21:21	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: keybase.io, does that look like something you'd use?
21:21	mircea_popescu	or any other parity your favourite rng suggests.
21:21	Azelphur	fun
21:21	Azelphur	so no, then xD
21:22	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: They used some javascript in the layout it seems. Works ok in the factory firefox install, not in the useful firefox install though
21:22	Azelphur	I was a plonker and bought gox debt
21:22	Azelphur	\o/
21:22	mircea_popescu	copumpkin "Keybase will be a public directory of publicly auditable public keys. All paired, for convenience, with unique usernames."
21:22	mircea_popescu	explain ?
21:22	mircea_popescu	in like, nonretard english.
21:23	mircea_popescu	"I graduated cum laude with a degree in philosophy from Brandeis University and received my J.D. from the University of Michigan Law School"
21:23	copumpkin	as far as I can tell, their goals are: 1) provide a standard mechanism to link online accounts in a crpytographically secure way that doesn't require trust of their servers 2) make gpg more user-friendly
21:23	mircea_popescu	dude brandeis is where the mass governor's escorts go to school.
21:23	copumpkin	so they have a website that lets you link online profiles and a command-line tool that talks to the site and calls gpg
21:23	copumpkin	ultimately, they're mostly a fancier keyserver
21:24	mircea_popescu	i guess.
21:24	BingoBoingo	I know. People who care go to SIU.
21:24	copumpkin	Azelphur: pl0nk
21:24	mircea_popescu	copumpkin so why do i want to use them ?
21:24	Azelphur	yup
21:24	Azelphur	I'm 97 BTC deep in gox, bought at ~0.14 (so 15 BTC)
21:24	copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I dunno, they're pretty, and seem to provide some nice identity linkage stuff that seems handy. Otherwise, not much point :)
21:24	copumpkin	I like the service
21:25	copumpkin	mostly because I want more people to use gpg
21:25	mircea_popescu	so basically what, they scrape social media sites for snippets signed by x sig ? a la gribble except spammier ?
21:25	copumpkin	yeah, basically
21:25	mircea_popescu	i cant see any harm in it
21:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.0051 = 0.1683 BTC [+]
21:25	mircea_popescu	i wouldn't personally use it because i don't actually use any social media sites.
21:25	copumpkin	ah, fair enough :)
21:26	mircea_popescu	except i guess twitter but i don't really gas if x is y or not there
21:26	kakobrekla	goes to twitter to tell the world, "i dun use social meddia situes"
21:26	nubbins`	so how do you know who's going to trivia night on tuesday?!
21:26	nubbins`	talk to people?
21:26	nubbins`	DO YOU EVEN INTERNET
21:26	mircea_popescu	hardly.
21:26	mircea_popescu	i mostly pay people to internet for me.
21:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
21:26	mircea_popescu	which reminds me of the joke with the jooz.
21:26	nubbins`	ah, that's fair
21:27	copumpkin	I bet you're paying someone to type these messages right now, while someone else is giving you a rusty trombone
21:27	mircea_popescu	nah, that was earlier
21:27	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well Twitter's upside is that you can school someone in front of their internet friends and make their internet friends wonder why they associated in the first place.
21:28	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i mostly use it because it's full of derps of the "holier than thou" school of assholery.
21:28	mircea_popescu	i like those.
21:28	gesell1	BingoBoingo mircea_popescu I may go knock on Jay's door on monday
21:29	mircea_popescu	but anyway, one day when i'm rich i'll splurge and get myself a smartphone
21:29	copumpkin	lol
21:29	BingoBoingo	gesell1: Who the hell is Jay?
21:29	MisterE	fuck smartphones
21:29	mircea_popescu	and then the whole universe of social media sites will lay open before me
21:29	copumpkin	sounds awesome
21:29	MisterE	I'm in front of a computer enough
21:29	MisterE	I dont need one with me
21:29	BingoBoingo	Eh, I used to have smartphones.
21:29	copumpkin	I have a smartphone but I hate using it
21:29	mircea_popescu	gesell1 aite.
21:29	gesell1	BingoBoingo: the lawyer you linked too
21:29	copumpkin	iphone4, so slow it's too unpleasant to use
21:29	nubbins`	copumpkin: there's an easy solution there ;p
21:29	copumpkin	I made the mistake of installing ios7
21:29	mircea_popescu	gesell1 is he actually smart irl ?
21:29	copumpkin	and now it's unusably slow
21:29	MisterE	I look around me and everyone's face is buried in their phones I think its sad
21:30	copumpkin	so I just don't do anything on it
21:30	gesell1	mircea_popescu: i have no idea. does he need to be?
21:30	nubbins`	copumpkin, generally it's less of a good idea to update ios after new hardware comes out.
21:30	BingoBoingo	gesell1: Ah, that one. I just prefer the lower parts of the state.
21:30	copumpkin	except, err, make phone calls
21:30	mircea_popescu	MisterE ikr? at least they could have the decency to get the salmon colored models.
21:30	copumpkin	nubbins`: yeah yeah, but they don't let us downgrade, so oh well :)
21:30	nubbins`	:D
21:30	nubbins`	aren't you glad you bought in?
21:30	mircea_popescu	gesell1 yes, it usually helps if the lawyer putting together a cas is smart.
21:30	MisterE	my GF's iP 4 runs iOS 7 fine
21:31	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It is why I only use lawyers with Drive throughs.
21:31	copumpkin	MisterE: I hear it gets better with the latest 7.* update where you can disable effects
21:31	copumpkin	but mine is painfully slow
21:31	gesell1	well so i will find out monday
21:31	mircea_popescu	copumpkin can it boil an egg at least ?
21:31	MisterE	I dunno it's the GFs and I dont go there
21:31	copumpkin	nope :(
21:31	mircea_popescu	gesell1 be sure to report bacl :D
21:31	MisterE	last thing I want is to support her phone
21:32	gesell1	is there a problem if I pursue mtgox from 3 different lawyers at once?
21:32	kakobrekla	but you are supporting here
21:32	kakobrekla	her*
21:32	MisterE	lol you're suing Gox?
21:32	kakobrekla	and so apple.
21:32	MisterE	talk abotu throwing good money after bad
21:32	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i blame ever for the apple.
21:32	mircea_popescu	MisterE i'd be much surprised if the lawyer charges anything.
21:32	gesell1	MisterE: no im just in the initial stages of contacting each and every collective that is gathering to sue
21:32	MisterE	pro bono?
21:32	kakobrekla	i would not even consider iphone using female fyi.
21:32	mircea_popescu	he's in it for positioning, which is strategically sound
21:33	mircea_popescu	MisterE no, just 99.9x% of any eventual proceeds.
21:33	mircea_popescu	gesell1 how much did you manage to donate via gox ?
21:33	MisterE	oh, I doubt there will be anything of value left for creditors
21:33	MisterE	but if there is you can be sure lawyers will get theirs
21:33	MisterE	donate lol
21:33	gesell1	mircea_popescu: over 100btc
21:34	kakobrekla	you gonna lose more coins suing than gain
21:34	MisterE	ouch
21:34	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Around here most lawyers handling those sorts of complaints work on contingency, so they only get paid if they win
21:34	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla the way the legal profession works in the us is that sometimes lawyers take cases for free, when they figure the bread is buttered on the other side.
21:35	kakobrekla	yeah but paid from where
21:35	kakobrekla	with what
21:35	kakobrekla	from who
21:35	nubbins`	from the booty
21:35	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Asbestos companies usually
21:35	nubbins`	sort of like a mortgage advisor
21:36	nubbins`	they work for "free"
21:36	nubbins`	where free = a portion of your mortgage
21:36	kakobrekla	the only way out of here is bernankecoin the way i see it.
21:36	gesell1	pitty, i could find no bernankecoin
21:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 443 @ 0.0055 = 2.4365 BTC
21:37	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla the lawyer wants bitcoin fame. that's free to him, as he has no cases anyway.
21:37	mircea_popescu	a noob lawyer with a shitty jd and no connection is basically equally qualified as a plumber.
21:37	kakobrekla	so they are not really getting paid as you said but whoreing out
21:37	mircea_popescu	and if he actually manages to get some dough from tibanne, all the better.
21:37	nubbins`	gesell1, it's called bernankoin i think
21:37	nubbins`	;;google bernankoin
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21:37	mircea_popescu	not like his "clients" will see any of it.
21:38	mircea_popescu	judging by the school he went to, he's being supported by either generous parents or generous husband.
21:38	mircea_popescu	so it all makes sense.
21:39	BingoBoingo	I dunno of any person in Illinois who while certified as a plummer and holding a JD would pratice law over practicing plumbing
21:39	gesell1	mircea_popescu: at the moment there appears to be only a few places to go. or only a few lawyers persuing the issue
21:39	BingoBoingo	Plumbing just pays better than law
21:39	mircea_popescu	gesell1 i wasn't saying you sohu;dn't, by any means
21:39	mircea_popescu	just explaining how the thing works.
21:40	mircea_popescu	anyway : their top claim to fame is that they settled an amazon cas for ~150k
21:40	mircea_popescu	which went to charity.
21:40	mircea_popescu	bush league does not begin to describe.
21:41	KRS-One	I have a friend who is a roofer who makes as much as an attorney and then some.
21:41	nubbins`	skilled trades, man
21:41	KRS-One	he does the easy shit and runs a crew
21:41	mircea_popescu	(they also represented the Blagojevich dood. also for free, also to no particular effect)
21:41	BingoBoingo	I really don't understand the point of retaining an unconnected lawyer
21:41	nubbins`	that said, his body will be wrecked by the time he's 45
21:41	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you know blag ?
21:41	nubbins`	and he'll be taking orders from a guy ten years his junior
21:41	moiety	is it just me or does that lawyer dude look a wee bit like simon cowel?
21:41	gesell1	i assumed/hoped that the class action litigation that gets the most attention from the community will wind up with the most resources to devote to getting possible results
21:41	KRS-One	nubbins` you aint kiddin..except he's the business owner
21:42	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'm the other end of the state.
21:42	BingoBoingo	The feudalism end
21:42	KRS-One	he is real dumb and needs me to get a roofing license (take exams and shit) said I can make $100K/yr without doing a thing just holding the license.
21:42	mircea_popescu	gesell1 i think you grossly misrepresent the substance of the sort of clueless idiots that still; had btc on gox.
21:42	mircea_popescu	it's hardly a community and it definitely has no resources.
21:42	nubbins`	KRS-One, might as well.
21:43	KRS-One	i have to speak to an attorney to see what kind of liability it opens me up to..supposedly i can do it with no risk or liability.
21:43	gesell1	mircea_popescu: there were $40m worth of BTC waiting on Gox on one reddit comment thread alone. that could create resources
21:43	mircea_popescu	money you don't have does not create resources, no.
21:44	KRS-One	nubbins`: he has been using his dad's general contractor's license but his dad is real old now and wont be doing it much longer
21:44	BingoBoingo	KRS-One: In the US the only thing you can acquire with a license is risk and liability
21:44	KRS-One	so bam this might be nice coin
21:44	KRS-One	BingoBoingo: i know I am skeptical
21:45	mircea_popescu	“Since we’ve been sitting here on the phone, I’ve seen three emails come in.”
21:45	mircea_popescu	ahahah how epic is that.
21:45	KRS-One	it nice to know a roofer..i got a new roof put on my house for real cheap, just labor and materials.
21:45	moiety	this is why its good to know a mechanic too
21:45	KRS-One	took forever to get him to do it tho
21:46	KRS-One	moiety: yep. marine and diesel mechanics make most i think
21:46	KRS-One	i was stupid. i went to college.
21:46	nubbins`	i had my roof redone last summer
21:46	nubbins`	wait, no, summer before
21:46	nubbins`	fucking mansard roofs
21:46	nubbins`	$$$$
21:47	BingoBoingo	Well, the boring olf gasoline car mechanic that fixed the mess I made trying to fix that saturn made decent money for his time.
21:47	nubbins`	"know what'd be a good idea? if none of this shit was right angles"
21:47	moiety	i think my roof might fall off. i saw slates outside on the ground
21:47	mircea_popescu	moiety maybe your roof buries some pets
21:48	BingoBoingo	moiety: You and your fancy european roofs. Here shingles are made out of asphalt and cat litter
21:48	moiety	lolololol
21:48	mircea_popescu	my shingles are made of detcord and baby tears.
21:49	BingoBoingo	lol
21:49	moiety	I'm scared to see your homes....
21:49	BingoBoingo	detsord would never work with the weather here.
21:50	nubbins`	my home is quaint, but only because of the lack of detcord and kitty litter
21:50	moiety	did you guys see the £150 house that gets rented out for milk?
21:51	BingoBoingo	No, but I've considered buying a block of $200 houses in detroit and starting a farm
21:51	mircea_popescu	moiety breast milk ?
21:51	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well detcord would make your house move somewhere else then
21:52	KRS-One	mircea_popescu: depending on the roof, the shingles arent what keeps the water out. main protection for a roof comes from the tar paper that covers the wood. shingles only keep the sun from runing the tar paper.
21:52	KRS-One	if it werent for the sun and other things you dont even need shingles.
21:52	mircea_popescu	KRS-One that may be generallky true, but i come from transylvania, which invented wood shingle roofing.
21:52	mircea_popescu	allow me to show you :
21:52	moiety	mircea_popescu: it doesn't specify.......
21:52	moiety	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513154/Farmer-builds-house-just-150-using-materials-skips--current-tenant-pays-rent-MILK.html
21:52	BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Most of the world operates on the assumption shingles move the water
21:52	KRS-One	thats what i have, wood shingle..cedar. Its one of the best you can get.
21:53	KRS-One	BingoBoingo yep
21:53	nubbins`	BingoBoingo: you'd need to truck in soil
21:53	mircea_popescu	http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biserica_de_lemn_din_Cizer
21:53	ozbot	Biserica de lemn din Cizer - Wikipedia
21:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-]
21:53	mircea_popescu	230 year old, that thing. all wood. no metal.
21:53	KRS-One	the BEST ROOF: flat deck (gravel)
21:53	KRS-One	wow nice
21:53	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Or to many other places. The most recent local tornado didn't come within a mile, but other weird wind anamolies still had things impacting the roof in interestng ways
21:53	KRS-One	thats really neat to have history behind your home.
21:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
21:54	nubbins`	the top of my roof is tar pitch
21:54	nubbins`	sides are shingled
21:54	KRS-One	i dont know what tar pitch is
21:54	KRS-One	hnn
21:54	BingoBoingo	Maybe I should get the next roof done in pitchblend!!!
21:55	nubbins`	they use a flamethrower to melt coal tar all over it
21:55	moiety	mircea_popescu: that's so cute. it just needs broadband and its perfect!
21:55	KRS-One	ah yes flatdek?
21:55	KRS-One	flat deck
21:55	nubbins`	sandwiched with layers of tar paper
21:56	nubbins`	prolly the same thing you're thinking of
21:56	KRS-One	thats the best type of roof to have..many commercial buildings have that
21:56	nubbins`	self-healing
21:56	KRS-One	yea
21:56	nubbins`	as long as you have any amount of summer
21:56	KRS-One	i've heard horror stories where roofers fell off and into the hot kettle of tar
21:57	nubbins`	popular for the row houses here, most of which have flat roofs
21:58	KRS-One	a popular one here in Florida are concrete shingle..i did some roofing when i was younger..talk about hard work.
21:58	nubbins`	looks nice tho
21:58	KRS-One	gets so hot on the roof tops you can get burned by just picking up your hammer on the metal side
21:59	KRS-One	you have to be a tough bastard to work in roofing year round..i think doing concrete work was actually easier.
21:59	KRS-One	i did both for a while..they both sucked.
21:59	KRS-One	those jobs were my main motivator for going to college.
22:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 455 @ 0.0055 = 2.5025 BTC
22:03	nubbins`	re: russian cargo planes landing in crimea
22:03	nubbins`	"Astakhov said the people in the planes refused to identify themselves and waved off customs officials, saying they didn't require their services."
22:03	mircea_popescu	they sound exactly like bitcoin people.
22:05	mircea_popescu	also, this shit's pretty epic:
22:05	mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html
22:05	ozbot	The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98%
22:05	mircea_popescu	this chick should be in my harem already.
22:06	mircea_popescu	"We need a third party!" Come on, do you think the media will allow you to have a third party? John Anderson, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader-- they let them through to "show" third party candidates aren't any more serious than Howard Stern when he ran for governor. Poor Ron Paul pulls in more people than porn but he can't get a break, sorry buddy, 100 years too late for your kind. There's a difference between what you ne
22:06	mircea_popescu	ed and what you want, and the media will always, relentlessly give you what you want. Do you know why you have such poor candidates every single election? Because you want them, you want someone you can easily judge for some sexual indiscretion or because they called latinos chicanos. "Well, that matters to us!" Then you got what you asked for.
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22:09	nubbins`	yeah, read that
22:09	nubbins`	depressing more than anything
22:10	mircea_popescu	i dun live there, so to me it's mostly funny
22:10	nubbins`	it's funny to you because you're rich ;D
22:11	mircea_popescu	and an asshole.
22:11	nubbins`	you don't think the people shouting over each other at general assemblies were assholes?!
22:11	mircea_popescu	no. assholes are never idiots,
22:12	mircea_popescu	and idiots aren't really assholes, they're just idiots.
22:12	KRS-One	not at all
22:12	mircea_popescu	like you know, a rock falling down a cliff isn't a car.
22:12	mircea_popescu	even if it does move.
22:12	kakobrekla	dam kids breaking the logs again
22:13	nubbins`	what next, my lips and anus aren't a hot dog?
22:13	mircea_popescu	i wonder if hot chick lips and anus hot-dogs are a delicacy in china.
22:14	mircea_popescu	i suppose throw in the vulva too.
22:14	decimation	mircea - these guys appear to be curating btc exchange data http://www.netagio.com/market-data
22:14	mircea_popescu	"guaranteed 13 to 19yo"
22:14	nubbins`	well, ya need a bit of salt
22:14	mircea_popescu	decimation you know who runs it /
22:15	BingoBoingo	Eh, seriously Russia being in Crimea is not interesting at all. The only interesting point is how long they can go without commiting regular forces to the endeavor.
22:15	nubbins`	anecdote: a friend was approached by a young (~13yo) girl asking for a cigarette. friend says "you're too young to smoke"
22:15	nubbins`	girl says "lick my salty piss-flaps"
22:15	mircea_popescu	decimation pounds and euro ? i already got a euro future and what are these pounds
22:15	decimation	yeah http://www.goldmoney.com/company/press-releases/goldmoney-group-launches-new-bitcoin-focused-company-in-the-uk
22:15	decimation	it's the goldmoney guy
22:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00078944 = 19.3413 BTC [+] {2}
22:15	decimation	he's seen the future and he wants in on bitcoin
22:15	mircea_popescu	decimation do you knw him ?
22:15	decimation	no I'm just an interested bystander
22:16	mircea_popescu	well unless he somehow finds his way here...
22:16	BingoBoingo	Eh, when people too young ask me for cigarettes I usually tell them I have cancer and ask them if they really want a cigarette.
22:16	mircea_popescu	nubbins` the obvious response was to offer the whole pack for a bj
22:17	BingoBoingo	Anymore a bj is cheaper than a pack of smokes
22:17	decimation	I suspect this guy is involved somehow, he is associated with goldmoney http://jamesturkblog.blogspot.com/
22:18	mircea_popescu	i kind-of wonder how long reddit will take to digest teh latest mpoe release.
22:18	mircea_popescu	my money's kind-of on "never" tbh.
22:18	mircea_popescu	o, james turk, goldbug guy. makes sense.
22:19	decimation	yeah he's a hardcore goldbug and tries to cash in on that audience
22:19	decimation	but he also appears to be interested in bitcoin
22:20	mircea_popescu	well... maybe one day he gets here.
22:20	mircea_popescu	im still looking for someone to run a delivered gold future.
22:21	decimation	yeah it seems that this netagio is a spinoff of some kind. I'm surprised that he or his staff hasn't contacted you
22:21	decimation	I think they are building a good foundation before going big, unlike some out there...
22:22	mircea_popescu	on a lark i'd venture a guess that <1% of irl businesses have a truely global internet listening program going.
22:22	mircea_popescu	it'd be certainly within what they can afford, financially
22:22	mircea_popescu	sadly, it's not within what they can afford intellectually.
22:22	decimation	Oh no, they spend $$$ on facebook monitors
22:22	mircea_popescu	and so it goes, lots of deaf and blind
22:22	decimation	but that's not listening to anything...
22:23	mircea_popescu	decimation i suppose it's like with everything else, blow the website budget on css.
22:24	mircea_popescu	incidentally i suppose you've stumbled on a perfectly valid business model, the translators among WoTs will be tomorrow's lawyers.
22:24	mircea_popescu	definitely as obscenely well paid.
22:25	decimation	well, each big corp has a WoT that generally consists of the CEO's drinking buddies
22:25	decimation	it's surprising that the internet hasn't linked those WoTs...
22:25	BingoBoingo	Bonus, it pisses off the liberal arts majors because they can only translate wrong languages
22:25	mircea_popescu	it is.
22:25	mircea_popescu	huge market there.
22:26	mircea_popescu	in point of fact, most of the power women have in western society comes strictly from that bridging role.
22:26	mircea_popescu	it's not the unshaven idiots blathering on tv about "Rights" and other stuff that do anything.
22:26	mircea_popescu	it's the sluts that fuck different ceos.
22:26	mircea_popescu	that's 99% of female power.
22:27	decimation	it shows up as a virtue as well
22:27	mircea_popescu	well it is a virtue.
22:27	decimation	most effective female 'leaders' I have seen are school-marm types who know how to connect the right people and step away
22:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.10100053 = 0.202 BTC [-]
22:28	mircea_popescu	but about 1bn dollars spent on "women in tech"-esque programs dedicated to highschooler girls would return about the same net value for the cause as about 600k spent on "fuck as many powerful people as you possibly can take, as well as you possibly can, starting today." programs for the same.
22:29	mircea_popescu	and one of the best indications that this is actually the correct approach would be that the impotent-by-design feminist movement will readily recognise it as the ultimate evil.
22:29	moiety	you make it sound like you cant do anything as a girl without opening your legs :(
22:29	decimation	well, you can call them "finishing schools", like they used to have
22:29	mircea_popescu	moiety you can do plenty of things that ultimately won't matter.
22:30	asciilifeform	re: keybase.io - this was the idiocy that wants your private keys
22:30	asciilifeform	'use gpg online!1!1'
22:30	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not in copumpkin's retelling. i was giving him space to see if he mentiones it.
22:30	asciilifeform	hah
22:30	decimation	maybe you can host your key in a vps with a web login
22:30	mircea_popescu	i'm like... you know, a slut. i give people space :)
22:31	decimation	I think this has been linked before: http://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-techtopus-how-silicon-valleys-most-celebrated-ceos-conspired-to-drive-down-100000-tech-engineers-wages/
22:31	moiety	not much point in trying anything if it ultimately doesn't matter
22:31	decimation	it's an example of a real-life WoT between silicon valley CEOs
22:31	mircea_popescu	moiety maybe you enjoy it ?
22:32	decimation	"Bill Campbell (Chairman of Intuit Board of Directors, Co-Lead Director of Apple, and advisor to Google) was also involved in the Google-Intel agreement, as reflected in an email exchange from 2006 in which Bill Campbell agreed with Jonathan Rosenberg (Google Advisor to the Office of CEO and former Senior Vice President of Product Management) that Google should call [Intel CEO] Paul Otellini before making an offer to an Intel employee,
22:32	decimation	regardless of whether the Intel employee first approached Google."
22:32	asciilifeform	'wage theft' ?
22:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
22:32	decimation	shockingly thousands of beta engineers are willing to accept what they are given
22:33	mircea_popescu	the irony here being that an industry;s stability can be best measured by the wot divergence (well really, by wot graph isolation)
22:33	mircea_popescu	once gaps get bridged "industry best practices" develop,
22:33	mircea_popescu	and the thing is going down in flames faster than people can ditch it.
22:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05130001 = 0.2565 BTC [-] {4}
22:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08330021 = 0.4165 BTC [+] {4}
22:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] {3}
22:33	decimation	of course the leftists are having a fit because this particular WoT ignores thier votes
22:34	mircea_popescu	of course.
22:34	mircea_popescu	wots aren't votes.
22:34	mircea_popescu	in fact, wots are not only different from votes, but really much better
22:34	mircea_popescu	w is v v2.
22:34	nubbins`	<moiety> not much point in trying anything if it ultimately doesn't matter <<< "No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of."
22:34	mircea_popescu	talk about bitcoin-mediated disruption of the electroal system
22:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
22:35	asciilifeform	http://pando.com/2014/02/24/knightscopes-new-robotic-law-enforcer-is-like-staring-at-the-demise-of-humanity/
22:35	ozbot	Knightscope’s new robotic law enforcer is like staring at the demise of humanity | PandoDaily
22:36	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/LDMRgLX etc
22:36	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
22:36	decimation	Oh, I was hoping someone was going to make a real RoboCop
22:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00521999 = 0.1044 BTC [+]
22:36	decimation	not some lameass webcam
22:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59999998 BTC [+]
22:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0844999 = 0.169 BTC [+]
22:38	mircea_popescu	"work in pairs to protect each other"
22:38	mircea_popescu	now how does this work ?
22:38	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In a twist confounding most authors of robot oppressor scifi the boards with critical operational components in the bots are varied from unit to unit.
22:39	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if the builder had half a brain, it's a countermeasure re: gps 'meaconing'
22:39	asciilifeform	link 2 bots via spread-spectrum whatever, if one thinks he suddenly 'flew' somewhere, and the other says 'no'
22:39	mircea_popescu	i can't begin to imagine how they figure this thing has a fucking chance.
22:40	asciilifeform	surveillance camera on wheels, with megaphone for shouting orders, what's not to like
22:40	decimation	yeah they are going to end up in a chop shop in the ghetto within 10 minutes of operation
22:40	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Remember the Russia-Georgia conflict... GPS can go dark
22:40	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: gps can and does go dark at your nearest truck stop
22:40	asciilifeform	;;google gps jammer
22:40	gribble	GPS jammer - Cell Phone Jammers: <http://www.skybuying.com/category-179-b0.html>; Wholesales GPS Jammer - GPS Jamming - GPS Signal Jammer: <http://www.jammerfromchina.com/categories/GPS_Jammers/>; GPS Jammer Signal Jammer Blocker - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfPc8tH8vBY>
22:40	asciilifeform	;google meaconing
22:40	asciilifeform	;;google meaconing
22:40	gribble	Meaconing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaconing>; CHAPTER 4 (FM 24-33): <https://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm24-33/fm243_5.htm>; meaconing - definition of meaconing by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/meaconing>
22:41	decimation	http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htecm/articles/20130820.aspx
22:41	ozbot	Electronic Weapons: Making The World Unsafe For GPS Jammers
22:41	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform more's the point... they can't make supermarket carts with working wheels
22:42	nubbins`	Crime has a $1 trillion impact on the American economy, according to Santana Li. “If we can show that we can literally cut that in half, we’re going to have every mayor in the country calling us,” he says.
22:42	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: All reasons why civ security bots will bow down to people with compasses, maps, and lasers
22:42	mircea_popescu	andthey're going to somehow make a 100kg self moving robot
22:42	nubbins`	soooo, it's equipped with a sword?
22:42	mircea_popescu	what the fuck happens if it steps in gum
22:42	nubbins`	it starts shooting, obv
22:42	mircea_popescu	orly ?
22:42	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if it steps in gum << $100/hr public servant with wheelbarrow sent to fetch it, clearly.
22:43	decimation	it's not fair to have a WoT of robots that ignore the votes of the disenfranchised
22:43	mircea_popescu	this sounds all so distinctly soviet.
22:43	BingoBoingo	Well, if pepper spray counteracts rapists, spraypaint counteracts robots.
22:43	mircea_popescu	speaking of pipe dreamz :
22:43	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z0WmWUT2rM
22:43	ozbot	RObotzi.S03.Ep13.Sugstanta - YouTube
22:45	moiety	<mircea_popescu> "work in pairs to protect each other"
22:45	moiety	03:38 <mircea_popescu> now how does this work ? << i think like this http://imgur.com/gallery/snoMroC
22:45	asciilifeform	incidentally,
22:45	mircea_popescu	whoa she's good.
22:45	asciilifeform	when deploying gps jammers across an area
22:46	asciilifeform	don't be dumb like the iraqi army
22:46	asciilifeform	remember school physics
22:46	asciilifeform	think 'constructive interference'
22:46	asciilifeform	a fat, loud mast is a target
22:46	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well simple solution is allowing a slug of metal to meet a satellite
22:47	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: people who can afford to plug a satellite tend not to get 'democratized' in the first place
22:47	asciilifeform	this advice is for the rest of us.
22:48	mircea_popescu	gaddafi definitely coud have afforded to plug a satelite.
22:48	mircea_popescu	he chose to plug ukrainian nurses instead.
22:48	mircea_popescu	old age does that. back when he was still sane everyone put up with him. including rice.
22:48	mircea_popescu	(who, if anyone forgot, he propositioned quite openly for a spot in his harem)
22:49	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well consider that the payload necessary to neutralize a GPS satellite can probably be measured in a single digit number of grams. Even many "tactical" missiles if stripped for the locker room could prolly do the job.
22:49	asciilifeform	http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7Ylayo7VkTE/UeViOxR4CPI/AAAAAAAACmQ/ZQsXIO6l_cY/s1600/Picture65.png
22:49	nubbins`	when rice visited bolivia, they gave her a guitar with a coca leaf lacquered onto it
22:51	decimation	hey did you guys behind the iron curtain watch Krtek the mole when you were little?
22:51	asciilifeform	decimation: i had the book!
22:51	asciilifeform	still got it
22:51	asciilifeform	translated at 'крот в городе'
22:52	asciilifeform	(mole in the city)
22:52	mircea_popescu	i have no idea what that is.
22:52	decimation	sad news, even communist propaganda cartoons can be ruined by apple http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-15/apple-helps-czech-mole-enter-21-billion-u-s-toy-market.html
22:52	asciilifeform	i think in the animated version he gets to fuck
22:52	asciilifeform	(post-soviet kid's tv is an odd place)
22:52	decimation	the videos are widely available in the us but no one knows about it
22:52	decimation	lol that's messe dup
22:53	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: If only hypercard was still a thing
22:53	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTrWQ2vanzg
22:53	ozbot	Melvins - 'Nude With Boots' (Full Album HD) - YouTube
22:54	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it can still be a thing at your house. grab the emulator + tarball from my site & have fun.
22:54	nubbins`	^ named after a picture mp linked once
22:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
22:54	mircea_popescu	i have left my mark on popular culture
22:54	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Why. The SE/30 is dead, but I still have a flock of MacClassics
22:54	mircea_popescu	pustular cupure
22:54	mircea_popescu	whatever
22:54	nubbins`	the second one, in this case
22:55	nubbins`	unpopular unculture, even
22:55	decimation	ascii did you even find a passable lisp machine emulator
22:55	asciilifeform	decimation: which lisp machine
22:55	BingoBoingo	And once I care enough to fix the SE/30 it will be a thing again
22:55	asciilifeform	decimation: there's 1 major emulator for each major species
22:55	decimation	the symbolics machine
22:56	asciilifeform	decimation: the only one that even begins to work is the one by symbolics shortly before it croaked
22:56	BingoBoingo	One of my regrets though is not picking up an Apple IIGS, because that looks like that could have lead to incredible fun
22:56	asciilifeform	;;google snap4 symbolics
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22:56	gribble	CLiki: VLM_on_Linux: <http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux>; public ynniv / opengenera Octocat-spinner-32 - GitHub: <https://github.com/ynniv/opengenera/blob/master/notes/org.advogato.org-johnw.txt>; public ynniv / opengenera Octocat-spinner-32 - GitHub: <https://github.com/ynniv/opengenera/blob/master/notes/patrick-collison.txt>
22:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00078733 = 8.2276 BTC [-]
22:57	asciilifeform	;;google symbolics lisp pirate bay
22:57	gribble	Copyleft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft>; Programmer Mega Book Pack- Part 1 (download torrent) - TPB: <http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6405192/Programmer_Mega_Book_Pack-_Part_1>; COMMON LISP: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation: <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/book.pdf>
22:57	asciilifeform	;;google symbolics open genera pirate bay
22:57	gribble	Belize General Information- Facts (and Maps) - Ambergris Caye: <http://ambergriscaye.com/pages/town/factsbze.html>; comments - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/comments/1a35lu>; The Soul Travelers-Illuminati & Occult documentary ... - The Pirate Bay: <http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6076927/The_Soul_Travelers-Illuminati___Occult_documentary>
22:57	decimation	okay I might to some dumpster-diving to find the thing
22:57	asciilifeform	fuck this
22:57	asciilifeform	http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp
22:57	ozbot	Symbolics Open Genera 2.0 for Alpha - complete package with Lisp (download torrent) - TPB
22:57	BingoBoingo	;;google opengenera HP alpha
22:57	gribble	Symbolics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolics>; Symbolics - Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics>; Symbolics | The (λ) Lambda meme - all things Lisp: <http://www.ymeme.com/symbolics>
22:57	asciilifeform	there we go
22:57	decimation	heh thanks
22:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
22:58	asciilifeform	first comment in that piratebay link is dave schmidt
22:58	BingoBoingo	;;google WOps.txt
22:58	gribble	Urban Dictionary: wop: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wop>; Molly Wop (MidgeCassidy) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/MidgeCassidy>; BRUNO MARS lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/b/brunomars.html>
22:58	asciilifeform	the last man of symbolics corp.
22:59	decimation	ah so you have to run tru64
22:59	asciilifeform	decimation: not for snap4
22:59	BingoBoingo	decimation: Wy is that a prolem
22:59	asciilifeform	that's the unofficial linux port
22:59	asciilifeform	(x86-64)
22:59	asciilifeform	the pb link is the original dec alpha disk
23:00	asciilifeform	you'll need it for the sources.
23:00	decimation	ahh I see
23:00	asciilifeform	thing came with ~99% of its source.
23:01	BingoBoingo	DEC Alpha, least depreciating hardware investment ever
23:01	asciilifeform	when i was at schmidt's house i offered him $BIG for schematics
23:01	asciilifeform	he wouldn't budge
23:02	asciilifeform	he doesn't own the company
23:02	asciilifeform	probate court did (at the time)
23:02	asciilifeform	the idiot who snapped it up at bankruptcy auction died a while ago
23:02	BingoBoingo	Well, racialslur.txt
23:02	decimation	well, what about the idiot's probate?
23:02	asciilifeform	then an mit prof with nsa connections paid the idiot's debts
23:02	asciilifeform	and now owns it
23:02	asciilifeform	and that's all that was heard of it since
23:03	decimation	he probably thinks it's his ticket to get rich
23:03	decimation	like everyone else in academia
23:03	asciilifeform	decimation: nope
23:03	asciilifeform	here's the real dirt
23:03	asciilifeform	http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields={"recipient_name":"symbolics+","recip_state":null,"recip_congdist":null,"recip_country":null,"recipient_duns":["966978090","873185821"],"spending_cat":null,"dept":null,"extent_competed":null,"psc_code":null,"naics_code":null,"fyear":null}&sort_by=date&per_page=25
23:04	ozbot	USASpending.gov
23:04	asciilifeform	it brings in, ~50k / yr in eternal pentagon contract
23:04	mircea_popescu	so it's worth like 600k
23:04	decimation	sounds shady as hell to me
23:04	asciilifeform	and is, in general, 'too much fun' of a technology to be turned loose
23:05	mircea_popescu	· · · · · · · · · · logtest · · · · · · · · · · ·
23:05	mircea_popescu	yay!
23:05	mircea_popescu	logs no longer suck! all hail kakobrekla, fixer of sucks.
23:05	asciilifeform	the $5k circa 2010 - that's my old employer.
23:06	asciilifeform	whom i talked into buying an actual copy of OG
23:06	asciilifeform	came with dec alpha. for 'free'.
23:08	asciilifeform	incidentally, the original mit lisp machine sources / schematics are bsd-licensed now.
23:08	asciilifeform	http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/
23:08	ozbot	Retrocomputing - MIT CADR Lisp Machines
23:08	decimation	interesting
23:08	asciilifeform	http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/cadr-zmacs.jpg
23:09	nubbins`	bed; nite
23:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15954 @ 0.00078733 = 12.5611 BTC [-]
23:10	decimation	so reading your blog, it seems that MIT eventually went to Scheme to teach young EE's how to code microcontrollers
23:10	mircea_popescu	yeah, ima go with nubbins`
23:10	asciilifeform	decimation: you misread
23:10	asciilifeform	they ditched it
23:10	asciilifeform	a few years ago
23:11	asciilifeform	it was an epic surrender to derp
23:11	decimation	yeah I saw that, but presumably before that someone decided scheme was the way to go
23:11	asciilifeform	sussman
23:11	asciilifeform	the original author of scheme
23:12	asciilifeform	http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3312#comment-48558
23:12	ozbot	Why Did M.I.T. Switch from Scheme to Python? | Lambda the Ultimate
23:12	nubbins`	sorry man, king-size bed, only room for two ;)
23:12	decimation	more evidence of the surrender of original thinking to academic bureaucracy
23:13	decimation	I blame fiat
23:13	BingoBoingo	Let us all cook pasta noodles in a pressure cooker for 7 minutes, there must be NO better way to make glue!!!
23:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00078733 = 13.424 BTC [-]
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23:18	decimation	you also inspired me to look more closely into Forth
23:18	decimation	that is a beautiful language for microcontrollers
23:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59 = 2.36 BTC [-]
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23:46	mike_c	R.I.P. mpoe-bot... at least you went out with a bang.
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