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00:00 mircea_popescu well yeah, i guess it is a buzz kill.
00:01 drmandude Still. You'd think you'd get out at least what you put in
00:01 drmandude for winning
00:01 mircea_popescu well, bitbet takes 1%. if you don't get at least 1% from the winnings pool, you walk out short.
00:01 pankkake Arnold Rothstein bet?
00:02 drmandude yeahhh
00:02 drmandude i also bet on some others
00:02 drmandude this was just the first to come in
00:02 mircea_popescu lol hi there. you were mentioned in despatches earlier.
00:02 drmandude rothstein isn't killed by anyone in BW empire so I was like...f no is he dying
00:02 pankkake yeah, we actually predicted you!
00:03 drmandude Sorry I'm a noob to this. Not trying to make trouble :-)
00:03 pankkake well the issue was both weight and really few Yes
00:03 mircea_popescu drmandude the idea here is, that if a bet runs for say a month, and you put 1 btc when it opens, some dude betting like 3 weeks later can't get as much as you do of the winnings
00:03 mircea_popescu so there's a weight, by time.
00:03 drmandude totes makes sense
00:03 mircea_popescu the result of this is that if you bet very late you may end up with like a <1% loss
00:03 drmandude i misinterpreted the calculations on my end
00:03 drmandude i got nervous because bitbet has some some bad press
00:04 drmandude im sure you saw a few twitterss
00:04 drmandude but then it just showed up
00:04 mircea_popescu i don't follow twitter actually.
00:04 mircea_popescu the girl makes btctalk reports which i occasionalyl read.
00:04 drmandude they were talking on bitcointalk and reddit
00:04 pankkake you probably don't want to bet on anything that doesn't get you at least a few percents, not worth the risk of losing vs. winning
00:04 drmandude im realizing that. I was getting the hang of it.
00:05 pankkake yeah, it's fun
00:05 BingoBoingo drmandude: This problem is why I prefer shooting from the hip and betting as close to open as possible and then defending my stake as other people bet.
00:05 drmandude consequenrtly, this conversation just happened
00:05 mircea_popescu drmandude you can easily verify it pays because well... go to an opld bet, click on the payout links
00:05 pankkake I'm happy with my last month despite mostly losing :D
00:05 mircea_popescu you see the payouts on blockchain
00:05 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/446/novak-djokovic-to-win-at-wimbledon-2013/ << back in may! different set of haters then!
00:05 ozbot BitBet - Novak Djokovic to win at Wimbledon 2013
00:05 drmandude yeah mircea_popescu the issue was some idiots without confirmation or payout addresses that expire and call foul at bitbet
00:05 pankkake BingoBoingo: "defending my stake"?
00:06 mircea_popescu drmandude yeah.
00:06 BingoBoingo pankkake: Yeah, curating the odds, hedging on the other side if someone dumps a large bet that skews things.
00:06 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192122.msg2190824#msg2190824 wow this is SO OFFENSIVE
00:06 ozbot bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
00:06 drmandude so you guys predicted me, the guy that lost money on a win, to come complain?
00:06 drmandude :-)
00:06 pankkake I mean, I am offended, I am a tech person.
00:07 pankkake hehe
00:07 drmandude you have every right to be
00:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#392517
00:07 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
00:07 mircea_popescu drmandude ^
00:08 pankkake drmandude: I want to send you 0.0006969 BTC
00:09 pankkake wow it even has two 69. magic
00:09 mircea_popescu pankkake i imagine she got a buncha people's small cow with springs by that comment.
00:10 pankkake wow so that thread was about claiming that BFL delivered
00:10 pankkake LOL
00:10 mircea_popescu yup
00:11 mircea_popescu actually. that thread was about claiming that bitbet is a scam because bfl delivered and bitbet resolved the bet WRONGLY!!!
00:11 mircea_popescu course bfl hasn't delivered yet
00:11 mircea_popescu but that's ok, because while bitbet is still here, the "community" of one is gone,
00:12 mircea_popescu to be replaced by a different "community" of one.
00:20 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/#comment-91934 pankkake that's a pretty lol comment in retrospect.
00:20 ozbot They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
00:20 mircea_popescu i suppose mpoe-pr should give the 10 bitcoin guy the buttcoin picture and make it all even.
00:21 pankkake I'd love to be that guy
00:21 pankkake "best investment in my life: putting stuff in my ass"
00:22 kakobrekla from ass to asset
00:24 BingoBoingo The Buttcoin will probably go down in history with the Bitcoin Pizza http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/ I imagine fresh buttcoins are probably down to 0.01-0.05 BTC
00:25 mircea_popescu pankkake ironically, all teh peeps ranting about how bitbet is a smalltime this that and the other,
00:25 mircea_popescu blissfully ignorant of good stuff like this.
00:25 mircea_popescu it really helps my lols.
00:27 pankkake if I had bitcoins to spare I'd probably spend my days doing similar stuff
00:27 pankkake people will do anything for a few coins
00:27 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261119.0 was fun enough
00:27 mircea_popescu pankkake you probably also missed out on
00:27 ozbot [QRK] QuarkCoin giveaway - 26k to donate
00:27 mircea_popescu ;;google valiant prince mp echo chambers
00:27 gribble gorilla vs. bear's albums of 2012: <http://www.gorillavsbear.net/2012/12/02/gorilla-vs-bears-albums-of-2012/>; Valiant prince MP explores the mother of all echo chambers. A saga ...: <http://trilema.com/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times>; From Valiant, The Final Warning - nesara: <http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2013/07/from-valiant- (1 more message)
00:28 mircea_popescu something awful got incredibly bothered that their "bitcoin buys nothing irl" winner argument got sunk by "here's tits, here's ass lol"
00:28 pankkake why is it so long
00:28 mircea_popescu it's the length that makes it good.
00:28 pankkake (that's what she said)
00:29 mircea_popescu anyway. this is all for me. see you all tomorrow.
00:29 mike_c mircea_popescu: do options auto-exercise? just wondering if i need to bring my keys with me on my trip.
00:30 mike_c ugh, did you leave? jurov, do you know?
00:31 kakobrekla iirc its automagic but have someone confirm if its srs monies
00:31 pankkake shit, if I want to send that 0.0006969, Armory wants to put in a fee of 0.005. madness
00:32 mike_c thanks kako, i'll try to get it confirmed. It's srs enough.
00:44 Tulak_ The new age is upon us
00:44 Tulak_ For I have returned
00:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.20399995 BTC [+]
00:45 pankkake at this hour?
00:45 Tulak_ pankkake,
00:45 Tulak_ i keep writing you naughty messages on btctalk
00:45 kakobrekla O_o
00:45 Tulak_ but you never replied. now im butthurt (literally)
00:45 pankkake only got one
00:45 pankkake :)
00:45 pankkake Tulak_: ♥
00:45 Tulak_ pankkake, <3
00:45 kakobrekla talk to jurov for naughy
00:45 mike_c ;;bc,24hprc
00:45 gribble Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
00:46 Tulak_ ;;ticker
00:46 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 856.68603, Best ask: 864.9999, Bid-ask spread: 8.31387, Last trade: 856.68103, 24 hour volume: 27613.39658851, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 869.89, 24 hour vwap: 824.15328
00:46 Tulak_ going up i see
00:46 kakobrekla wrong direction
00:46 pankkake ;;bc,stats
00:46 gribble Current Blocks: 271568 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 699441585.558 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.75988
00:46 pankkake if it's less than 20% again I'd be less frustrated about my lost bet
00:46 kakobrekla what was the last time
00:46 pankkake 19.something
00:46 kakobrekla heh
00:46 pankkake and the bet was "always 20 or over"
00:47 kakobrekla yea
00:47 kakobrekla should have plugged in ur cpu
00:47 pankkake I started my 2 erupters again actually
00:47 kakobrekla lolz
00:47 pankkake I wanted to believe
00:48 pankkake should have solo mined
00:48 Tulak_ pankkake, you want to hear the most retard move ever done
00:48 pankkake besides never buying bitcoins for 3 years? :)
00:49 Tulak_ nevermind ;(
00:49 Diablo-D3 http://imgur.com/gallery/3onivJa
00:49 ozbot I was bored so I animated the "Bitcoin Accepted Here" image. - Imgur
00:50 mike_c heh, sweet. boingo, put that on your blog.
00:50 pankkake Tulak_: do tell
00:50 kakobrekla oh wow that gif, price should be 2000 now.
00:50 Tulak_ did a bitbet which had No and Yes at around 0.9 ;)
00:50 kakobrekla negative fucks given!
00:51 kakobrekla for the pic to be clear.
00:51 KRS1 -fuck * -fuck = +fuck
00:51 Tulak_ let's %fuck this
00:51 pankkake Tulak_: I don't understand
00:51 KRS1 the % of fucks who give a fuck is fuck%
00:52 Tulak_ pankkake, neither do I
00:53 kakobrekla anyway back to the topic, labcoin.
00:53 Tulak_ who is labcoin
00:53 Tulak_ ;;ud labcoin
00:53 gribble Google found nothing.
00:53 kakobrekla zactly.
00:54 pankkake google translated spams are hilarious. "the machine of thunder bitcoin mine"
00:54 kakobrekla !l bt labcoin
00:54 assbot Last trade for LABCOIN on BTCTC was at 0.0001799 BTC [+]
00:54 pankkake I belive I got that one
00:54 kakobrekla what happend then
00:54 kakobrekla i didnt follow
00:54 pankkake but then it was on cryptostocks
00:54 pankkake well endless excuses and delays and now nothing, guy disappeared
00:54 BingoBoingo Thanks mike_c, Tulak_ labcoin is just a continuation of the ancient BitDayTrade scam
00:55 Tulak_ plenty of scams atm
00:55 Tulak_ ukyo, tf
00:55 kakobrekla yeah that alberto is such toolbox extraordinaire
00:55 pankkake morality: do not trust Italians or Australians
00:55 Tulak_ im half italian
00:55 Tulak_ dont trust me halfway through
00:56 Tulak_ you can trust me with your money tho, but you can't bet on me returning it
00:56 pankkake hehe
00:56 Tulak_ any decent movies running in cinema
00:56 Tulak_ gonna take my girl out. got coupons for popcorn and movies
00:56 Tulak_ need a decent movie now
00:57 kakobrekla pankkake the italians who hate italians are just fine
00:57 pankkake hmm. that works for frenchies too
00:57 pankkake Tulak_: I'm afraid I never go to the movies
00:57 pankkake I just steal them
00:58 Tulak_ :(
00:58 Tulak_ this is tom cruise doing a sad face :((
00:58 pankkake why, he has two mouths?
00:59 pankkake and why tom cruise
00:59 Tulak_ because he is extra disappointed in you
00:59 Tulak_ because tom cruise is awesome and is in scientology
00:59 pankkake :D
00:59 KRS1 he is extra crazy
00:59 kakobrekla hm Tulak_ you are in germany?
00:59 pankkake some people tell me I look like him. though it depends on the hair
00:59 Tulak_ he is extra handsome
00:59 Tulak_ kakobrekla, jawohl mein herr
00:59 pankkake never got my any girl
01:00 pankkake probably because the ressemblance started when he was a has-been already
01:01 kakobrekla Tulak_ how far from Nurnberg
01:01 Tulak_ kakobrekla, too far
01:01 Tulak_ you need someome beat up?
01:02 kakobrekla doesnt matter if its too far but thanks.
01:03 Tulak_ its like 400km
01:03 Tulak_ im sorry :(
01:03 kakobrekla you have nothing to be sorry about
01:03 Tulak_ BUT I DO APOLOGIZAREIERWJFAODJG
01:04 kakobrekla do you aplogize for apologizing unnecessarily?
01:04 Tulak_ don't send me down that road
01:04 pankkake this could be a deadly loop
01:05 Tulak_ im already talking with walls
01:05 Tulak_ don't push me too far :(
01:05 Tulak_ where is mircea?
01:05 kakobrekla well i wont casuse nurnberg is too far
01:05 Tulak_ we need to discuss my place in the sith council
01:05 pankkake went away right before you got here
01:05 Tulak_ as planned
01:06 pankkake check the log, it was fun today
01:06 kakobrekla how your connections going btw
01:06 Tulak_ so who is ukyo
01:06 Tulak_ no connections so far
01:06 kakobrekla Tulak_ exactly
01:07 Tulak_ :(
01:08 Tulak_ i'd better shut up then
01:08 kakobrekla Tulak_ he is some guy who ran play exhcange and was bad at it, he ended up getting a loan from tah comunitah to which he owes now 1mio or something
01:09 Tulak_ weexchange that is
01:09 kakobrekla buttfunder
01:09 pankkake buttfondler
01:09 Tulak_ bitfonder
01:09 Tulak_ butfinder
01:09 kakobrekla bitfaker
01:09 Tulak_ buttfinder!!
01:09 pankkake buttfinger
01:09 Tulak_ you mean kickstarter for bitcoins
01:09 kakobrekla well something like that
01:10 kakobrekla more like scamstarter
01:10 Tulak_ solo job?
01:10 pankkake well kickstarter has many scams
01:10 Tulak_ btw, lulling at the logs
01:10 pankkake and you don't get any profts with kickstarters
01:10 pankkake so, yeah, like that :D
01:10 kakobrekla lol
01:10 BingoBoingo Tulak_: I might be able to give you a connection. Do you want to buy a blurry JPEG of some trees?
01:10 Tulak_ pankkake, you are getting mentioned in a game nobody will ever buy.
01:10 Tulak_ BingoBoingo, thanks but I'd rather remain a comatose shadow
01:11 pankkake a game?
01:11 Tulak_ yea, i only read kickstarters for games
01:11 BingoBoingo Tulak_: Shadows tend to be scams
01:11 Tulak_ BingoBoingo, if you ever see me loan or buy btc consider me compromised
01:12 pankkake BingoBoingo: what do you mean?
01:12 Tulak_ me=myaccount
01:12 mike_c ;;ident Tulak_
01:12 gribble Nick 'Tulak_', with hostmask 'Tulak_!~Tulak@ip-109-44-100-0.web.vodafone.de', is not identified.
01:13 pankkake well, I'm thinking of making a loan this next year. but in fiat :D
01:13 Tulak_ ;;ident mike_c
01:13 gribble Nick 'mike_c', with hostmask 'mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598', is identified as user mike_c, with GPG key id 4FBC58464F910E21, key fingerprint 9086CA4627840552468FE3D44FBC58464F910E21, and bitcoin address None
01:13 Tulak_ ;;slap mike_c
01:13 mike_c mmm
01:13 pankkake oh, this actually exists
01:14 BingoBoingo pankkake: People who insist on being unconnected shadows while taking deposits tend to go TradeFortress either through malice or incompetence.
01:14 pankkake BingoBoingo: oh. well, the thing is, being anonymous has many advantages, even for a non-scammer
01:14 mike_c pankkake, we've all seen a million pictures of you
01:14 pankkake I mean, I'd certainly disclose my identity to key people
01:14 Tulak_ ;;ud prolapse
01:14 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Accidental%20Prolapse | When a person is extremely constipated and keeps trying to defecate, even when they shouldn't. There are three signs that you are close to an accid...
01:14 ozbot Urban Dictionary: Accidental Prolapse
01:15 BingoBoingo pankkake: Yeah. I don't think anons could ever run deposit services worth trusting though.
01:15 mike_c you posted a picture of your feet just the other day
01:15 Tulak_ No one should trust anons running a service
01:15 Tulak_ cause once the bank fills up, they be gone in no time
01:15 pankkake wasn't me
01:15 pankkake some people are genuinly nice
01:16 pankkake I believe I am. I can be an asshole when talking to people but I don't steal or anything
01:16 truffles a saint
01:17 Tulak_ or a sinner
01:18 pankkake probably read too many books about how natural law is the greatest thing ever
01:18 BingoBoingo Eh, at a minimum people should at least have GPG keys and all the other requirements for personhood filled.
01:18 pankkake sometime I feel people only don't steal because it's "illegal"
01:18 truffles thats a rare thing
01:19 pankkake I have GPG keys but with not enough bits
01:19 pankkake I am 1/4person then
01:19 truffles pankkake u might be right about the illegal
01:20 pankkake well, stealing is every glorified sometimes… I don't think those people are really evil
01:20 pankkake s/every/even/
01:22 truffles we're all capable of evil so..
01:23 pankkake true
01:23 truffles so u dont just draw the line at stealing?
01:24 truffles guess ill have to look into this natural law
01:24 truffles wonder if its modeled off the 10 commandments hmmm
01:25 BingoBoingo Eh, evil isn't so bad. You just have to pick the right kinds of evil. Theft is bad evil. Selling fake Paleo beef jerky that is half wheat hulls and half lactose is awesome kickass evil.
01:25 Tulak_ BingoBoingo, bookmarked
01:26 truffles how would one know of product contents to determine this kickass evil
01:29 pankkake BingoBoingo: giving cancer is evil
01:29 pankkake that's like that crazy bugchaser thing
01:29 truffles failed to think one would do that on purpose, but figured it was corners cutting..
01:29 BingoBoingo pankkake: IRC causes cancer
01:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.00219897 = 0.4156 BTC [+] {3}
01:32 Tulak_ feeling it already
01:34 truffles but here we r
01:37 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: Theft and robbery are the coolest of all crimes.
01:37 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Nah, they have nothing on Disorderly Conduct
01:38 truffles stealing is cool 0.0
01:38 pankkake thestringpuller: you must be working for bitbet
01:39 truffles lol
01:42 thestringpuller pankkake: bitbet couldn't afford my robbery services
01:42 thestringpuller payoff too little
01:47 truffles http://www.theurbangent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/neal-caffrey-style-tug-1.jpg makes stealing cool
01:48 thestringpuller that nigga got nothin' on bender
01:48 pankkake well that's the thing, so many movies where stealing is cool
01:49 truffles the detail he puts in to his tasks pretty cool imo
01:49 pankkake where is it from?
01:49 pankkake when I watch the typical spy movie I feel for the people who get cars stolen or destroyed
01:49 truffles White Collar tv show
01:50 truffles there are ppl who steal highway signs n random road things just cuz
01:50 truffles thats just sad
01:50 pankkake at least they could steal the speed meters
01:51 truffles or those orange cones
01:55 Tulak_ ;;ud rape
01:55 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rape | A crime. Quite terrible in nature. Often causes sever phycological damage to victim. Forced sexual intercourse. Often very violent in more then jus...
01:55 ozbot Urban Dictionary: rape
01:56 pankkake phycological damage
01:56 Tulak_ .S
01:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [+]
01:59 Tulak_ Quite terrible
01:59 Tulak_ oO
02:00 truffles unless person is sadist, i think both will be in psy damage
02:03 Tulak_ ;;ud truffles
02:03 Tulak_ oh comeon ffs
02:04 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=truffles | A species of mushroom which contains some edible varieties.
02:04 ozbot Urban Dictionary: truffles
02:04 truffles ;;google truffles
02:04 gribble Truffle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle>; Wild About Mushrooms: Truffles: <http://www.mssf.org/cookbook/truffles.html>; Chocolate Truffles Recipe : Alton Brown : Recipes : Food Network: <http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/chocolate-truffles-recipe/>
02:06 Tulak_ yay
02:08 Tulak_ Venat!
02:13 truffles ;;google Venat
02:13 gribble Venat - Final Fantasy Wiki - Wikia: <http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Venat>; Venat | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/TheBloodyChamber>; Final Fantasy 12 - Vayne Meets Venat - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cibQCyJr4Qs>
02:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0018 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}
02:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.426 BTC [-]
02:17 Venat more fitting
02:22 truffles for what
02:24 Venat Tulak was registered alread
02:24 Venat and i was forced to use tulak_
02:24 Venat -.-
02:25 pankkake if the nick wasn't used for a long time, you can ask freenode to release it
02:25 pankkake 8 weeks, probably not enough
02:27 truffles cant imagine any1 else wanting to be called truffles :D
02:28 pankkake why not?
02:28 truffles cuz its mine
02:28 truffles muahaha
02:29 thestringpuller ;;ud work
02:29 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work | A worldwide slave labour organisation used to control modern man and prevent independant thought from occuring in any form. This is the reason it's...
02:29 ozbot Urban Dictionary: work
02:29 Venat ;;ud rapper
02:29 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Backpack%20Rapper | backpack rapper- Person who dislikes Mainstream and Commercial rap a lot. Person who raps about real life shit that matters and has experienced, ra...
02:29 ozbot Urban Dictionary: Backpack Rapper
02:29 pankkake http://lifewise.canoe.ca/FoodDrink/LatestNews/2013/11/11/21260246-relaxnews.html
02:29 ozbot CANOE - Lifewise LatestNews: White truffles worth more than gold at Italian auction
02:29 thestringpuller ;;ud work
02:29 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work | A worldwide slave labour organisation used to control modern man and prevent independant thought from occuring in any form. This is the reason it's...
02:29 ozbot Urban Dictionary: work
02:29 thestringpuller lol
02:30 truffles chocolate ones are teh best
02:30 thestringpuller !ticker h am1
02:30 assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.31250000 / 0.3546657 / 0.43979999 (324 shares, 114.91168541 BTC), 7D: 0.23500000 / 0.4107217 / 0.58289999 (2647 shares, 1087.18033687 BTC), 30D: 0.23500000 / 0.53880394 / 0.96000000 (7144 shares, 3849.21536890 BTC)
02:30 thestringpuller !ticker h am100
02:30 assbot [HAVELOCK:AM100] 1D: 0.00305501 / 0.00338746 / 0.00380000 (4942 shares, 16.74082523 BTC), 7D: 0.00270000 / 0.00378038 / 0.00586900 (54458 shares, 205.87206506 BTC), 30D: 0.00270000 / 0.00523676 / 0.00880000 (184570 shares, 966.54898325 BTC)
02:31 thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe
02:31 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00077981 / 0.00078666 / 0.00079063 (70250 shares, 55.26 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00080427 / 0.00085604 (1486671 shares, 1,195.69 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)
02:32 thestringpuller !last m s.mpoe
02:32 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]
02:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00180601 = 0.2149 BTC [+]
02:33 truffles they dont look pretty do they, yet so pricey
02:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00180355 = 0.3048 BTC [-] {2}
02:34 thestringpuller MPOE seems to hold its value over time given it's over a year old
02:34 thestringpuller asicminer had a huge bubble yo
02:35 truffles "At first, I was really freaked out. But a lot of things are said on the Internet, so I stopped being so bothered."
02:39 Venat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu3DE6JpPkM
02:39 ozbot ZACK AND TIFA MEET IN ENGLISH - YouTube
02:40 pankkake who's the slut?
02:41 Venat tifa
02:41 Venat ;;ud tifa
02:41 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tifa | A fine, upstanding young virgin woman from Final Fantasy 7 who, unfortunately, has become the obsession of many perverted hentai artists, and has t...
02:41 ozbot Urban Dictionary: tifa
02:41 truffles memories
02:41 thestringpuller lol that game is still dope
02:41 thestringpuller I got high as shit and started playing it
02:41 thestringpuller that game made me trip balls
02:42 truffles have not played another since 8
02:42 pankkake google images has many cosplays
02:42 truffles way to ruin it !
02:42 pankkake thank god for cosplay
02:42 pankkake and sluts
02:42 thestringpuller they aren't really sluts though, more like attention whores
02:42 thestringpuller you flirt with one of them and they immediately become bitchy
02:42 pankkake true
02:42 truffles virgin sluts hmm
02:42 thestringpuller no whispering dirty things in the ears of the cosplayers :(
02:42 pankkake false advertising
02:42 pankkake scamsluts
02:43 thestringpuller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QNw1LRJv4
02:43 pankkake http://latrola.net/freaks/images/Tifa.jpg
02:43 thestringpuller ^relevant
02:44 truffles whore uniform, must be a myth
02:45 truffles doesnt stop the perverts
02:46 Venat big tits is all I need
02:46 truffles still staring at a man wearing a skirt with belly hanging out
02:47 truffles hope he only wore it inside..
02:47 Venat man I wish they remaked FFVII
02:48 truffles its just gonna have classic status, move on with ur life
02:48 Venat or they should remake Majoras Mask
02:48 Venat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqdwT2pKYzY
02:48 ozbot Majora's Mask Wii U Trailer - The Legend of Zelda HD 2012 - YouTube
02:49 Diablo-D3 >2012
02:49 Diablo-D3 >never came out
02:49 Diablo-D3 problem solved
02:49 Venat yea
02:49 Venat it was more like a demonstration
02:50 Venat never mind dont watch that
02:50 Venat because there is some fuckhead at the end babbling shit
02:50 truffles too late
02:50 Venat ;;google lightning returns
02:50 gribble LIGHTNING RETURNS: FINAL FANTASY XIII: <http://www.lightningreturns.com/>; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Final Fantasy Wiki - Wikia: <http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII>; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII>
02:50 Venat ;;google lightning returns release date
02:50 gribble Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII>; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PlayStation 3 - IGN: <http://www.ign.com/games/final-fantasy-xiii-3-140567/ps3-127607>; Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - Xbox 360 - IGN: <http://www.ign.com/games/final-fantasy- (1 more message)
02:50 Venat oh fuck off
02:51 truffles itson xbox?
02:51 Venat 14. february
02:51 Venat i guess
02:51 Venat ffxiii and ffxiii-2 was on ps3 and xbox90000
02:51 truffles sigh there goes my free time
02:53 Diablo-D3 +ticker
02:53 Diablo-D3 er
02:53 Diablo-D3 ;;ticker
02:53 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 866.01037, Bid-ask spread: 0.01037, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28202.48782982, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 870.0, 24 hour vwap: 826.92686
02:54 truffles thought i saw under 800 recently 0.0
02:54 BingoBoingo ;;sell 195000
02:54 gribble (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
02:54 pankkake well 24 hour low: 765.0
02:55 BingoBoingo ;;sell 19500 BTC
02:55 gribble (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
02:55 pankkake ;;market sell 19500
02:55 gribble A market order to sell 19500 bitcoins right now would net 14570023.6211 USD and would take the last price down to 607.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 747.1807 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0022 seconds
02:55 pankkake sell is for OTC
02:55 Venat what the fuck
02:55 BingoBoingo ;;market sell 195000
02:55 gribble A market order to sell 195000 bitcoins right now would net 37537295.7322 USD and would take the last price down to 4.0200 USD, resulting in an average price of 192.4990 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 19.0587 seconds
02:56 truffles why is google telling me it wont happen venat
02:57 Venat truffles, not happen what
02:57 truffles 7 to xbox
02:58 Venat not 7
02:58 Venat but ffxiii-3
02:58 truffles 13
02:58 truffles puke
02:58 Venat dont be so harsh
02:59 truffles http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-vii-nes-restoration-sees-release-265640.phtml this guy needs a medal
02:59 ozbot Final Fantasy VII NES restoration sees release - Destructoid
02:59 Venat they tried the hardest
02:59 Diablo-D3 wat
03:02 Venat ;;ud lube
03:02 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lube | Short for "lubricant." Commercial product used to lubricate sexual intercourse, often anal sex between two men. Lube allows the penis to enter the ...
03:02 ozbot Urban Dictionary: lube
03:02 truffles enter the ??
03:03 Venat grotto of pleasure
03:03 Venat Lube allows the penis to enter the anus without pulling or tearing of the anal tissue. It also allows time for the anus to expand and accept the incoming phallus.
03:06 kakobrekla just spit
03:09 truffles wont u need like a bucket of spit, lube solves this dilemma
03:09 kakobrekla dunno how you manage to do that, i dont
03:10 Venat a bucket of spit
03:17 KRS1 !seen vexual
03:18 KRS1 ;;seen vexual
03:18 gribble vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 20 hours, 19 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Vexual> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEEWE7gcPw0
03:18 KRS1 lol that ho
03:19 Venat ;;seen KRS1
03:19 gribble KRS1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 minute and 3 seconds ago: <KRS1> lol that ho
03:19 truffles u want party KRS1
03:21 Venat ;;seen mircea_popescu
03:21 gribble mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 52 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> anyway. this is all for me. see you all tomorrow.
03:25 Venat ;;seen TradeFortress
03:25 gribble TradeFortress was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <TradeFortress> I especially love their 64 (?) core servers when the deadlock is probably db locking.
03:25 thestringpuller what do you want with the chairman, Venat ?
03:25 Venat nothing, yet
03:26 Venat Nancy lives on 480 acres in the middle of nowhere with horses, a donkey, dogs, cats, and chickens, and stays connected by satellite.
03:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [-]
03:28 thestringpuller Venat: I have a billion dollar idea for you
03:28 thestringpuller a
03:28 thestringpuller hoodrat acquisition service
03:29 Venat spare me the bullshit
03:29 thestringpuller no fo realz
03:29 thestringpuller everyone needs hoodrats
03:29 thestringpuller I need hoodrats right now
03:30 truffles ;;ud hoodrat
03:30 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hood%20rat | A girl who sleeps with various men in the neighborhood. Usually noticeable via her slacking standards of personal care.
03:30 ozbot Urban Dictionary: hood rat
03:30 Venat ;;ud trailer trash
03:31 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trailer%20trash | Derogatory description for person who seems well-suited to residential life in a mobile home park and is distinguished by poor hygiene, foul langua...
03:31 ozbot Urban Dictionary: trailer trash
03:31 Venat trailertrash equals hoodrat?
03:32 KRS1 kinda
03:32 KRS1 trailertrash ~ hoodrat
03:32 KRS1 Is it just me or does this seem scammish http://bit-mining.co/
03:36 Venat 27/7 On-site Technical engineer
03:36 Venat lollololool
03:36 Venat the technical engineer uses a timemachine to be there for you for 3 extra hours
03:37 Venat whoever wrote the text on the site is a moron
03:37 Venat does not seem so legit
03:38 Venat I'll be off for now
03:38 Venat I got pressing matters, that need my full attention.
03:38 Venat Hark!
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04:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00378 = 0.189 BTC [-]
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04:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00199427 = 0.1057 BTC [-]
04:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 999 @ 0.00011198 = 0.1119 BTC [+] {2}
04:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00379429 = 0.2239 BTC [+]
04:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00379329 = 0.3262 BTC [-] {2}
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05:19 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c yes they autoexercise.
05:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
05:22 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/
05:22 ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
05:22 mircea_popescu as anon says, this thread is motherfucking epic.
05:22 mircea_popescu people who bet no early stand a chance to see even 10x their bet.
05:28 mircea_popescu pankkake you'll have to write-up the many advantages being anon has for me sometime.
05:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4249 = 1.2747 BTC [-]
05:36 cazalla world cup should bring some interesting bets next year
05:36 mircea_popescu indeed.
05:39 cazalla would a prop bet on the outcome of a player collapsing and dying on the pitch from natural causes be a bad bet?
05:39 cazalla not really inciting violence if it's heart or drug related
05:40 mircea_popescu yeah but still.
05:41 mircea_popescu i suppose if you don't name any person it should be fine
05:42 cazalla resolves yes if any player from any team collapses and dies on or later off pitch during world cup 2014
05:42 cazalla would need to be worded better i guess
05:43 mircea_popescu prolly.
05:43 mircea_popescu especially because everyone will die later
05:44 mircea_popescu also, too early to start that sort of wc bet now, because the interval nov 2013 - june 2014 or w/e it starts is just dead air
05:44 cazalla and they would be declared dead after being taken off the pitch and to hospital
05:45 mircea_popescu so you'll end up in june with low weight and people not wanting to bet.
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06:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 258 @ 0.00179999 = 0.4644 BTC [+] {2}
06:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00199488 = 0.1755 BTC [+] {2}
06:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 276 @ 0.00199494 = 0.5506 BTC [+] {4}
06:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.00199499 = 0.2953 BTC [+] {3}
06:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
06:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
06:45 bitesak ;;ticker
06:45 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 865.10001, Best ask: 868.989, Bid-ask spread: 3.88899, Last trade: 868.989, 24 hour volume: 28551.92748968, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 830.89783
06:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2820 @ 0.00056769 = 1.6009 BTC [+] {2}
06:51 jurov` http://bitcoinscammers.com/bitbet-us/ you re famous and notorious nao
06:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 31680 @ 0.00074565 = 23.6222 BTC [+] {3}
06:51 ozbot bitbet.us
06:52 jurov` ^^ lol i did not time this :D
06:52 Venat For I have returned
06:53 mircea_popescu ha
06:53 mircea_popescu $vwap s.bbet
06:53 mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.00073111 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00055 volume: 34500 btc: 25.2233 7 day: average: 0.00067992 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 42645 btc: 28.995025 30 day: average: 0.00067537 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 66542 btc: 44.94034702
06:53 Venat mircea_popescu, good morning lad
06:53 mircea_popescu hi.
06:53 Venat former Tulak:
06:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]
06:53 Venat _
06:53 mircea_popescu o i see, someone's made a buncha bets too
06:53 Venat ;;ticker
06:53 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 869.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99999, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28661.26816051, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 831.17248
06:55 Venat https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347383.0
06:55 ozbot Can someone explain these charts? :)
06:55 mircea_popescu shaping up to be bitbet's best month to date or some shit.
06:55 Venat facepalm. someone bought bitcoins on kraken.com and wants the candles explained
06:56 mircea_popescu well, he does state he's using a little capital.
06:56 mircea_popescu in that sense bitcoin is great, cheapest finance teaching tool available.
06:56 Venat true
06:57 Venat man, newbie prison is awesome
06:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]
06:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
07:00 Venat ;;ud snatch
07:00 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snatch | 2. snatch. The second most horrific sounding nickname for the human female's genitals(after cunt). ... "Yo Jeff, I lost my arm in your Grandma's snatch last night!".
07:00 ozbot Urban Dictionary: snatch
07:01 truffles ure on a roll with these terms
07:01 Venat just expanding my horizon
07:01 Venat ;;ud snitch
07:01 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snitch | 1. A person who tells on someone. 2. A bum of a person.
07:01 ozbot Urban Dictionary: snitch
07:02 truffles watching the Wire or something?`
07:02 Venat not at all
07:05 mircea_popescu you know you can expand your horizon in the privacy of your own broswer.
07:08 Venat ok.............
07:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]
07:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.391 BTC [-]
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07:39 bitesak seems mpex has not been quoting options for a few days now?
07:52 kleeck Oh shit.
07:52 kleeck You guys see this?
07:52 kleeck http://cryptosource.org/mcxnow-shutting-down/
07:52 ozbot mcxNOW Shutting Down? WOW | CryptoSource
07:53 BigBitz If those reasons are legit then it makes sense.
07:53 BigBitz he wants to ensure quality/support over the long term. Small shut down to regain himself might help.
07:53 bitesak what?
07:53 kleeck Really? It's legit to open an exchange, raise money for shares of your exchange, and then close down because, "Oh, I have to support this?"
07:54 BigBitz Hasn't he said he's returning the coins?
07:54 BigBitz or have I grossly misread that?
07:54 kleeck I haven't read anything about mcxFees yet.
07:54 truffles said take money, need break
07:54 bitesak grossly misunderstood
07:54 BigBitz Hmm to me he wants an opportunity to overhaul it - naiveity might be strong in me this morning though.........
07:55 truffles needs break to find help?
07:55 bitesak he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them
07:55 kleeck So anyone who has shares in mxcFEE is boned for up to 3months.
07:55 BigBitz Oh that's lame.
07:56 truffles This is a burden of 200 to 400 emails a day among many requests on IRC and through chat.
07:56 BigBitz LRN2HIRE.
07:56 truffles good help is hard to find dude
07:56 BigBitz No doubt...
07:57 BigBitz Nejc from Bitstamp uses only his close friends and all are local - no people from outside Slovenia in his team.
07:57 BigBitz Wise man...
07:57 Apocalyptic lulz BigBitz
07:57 Apocalyptic can't believe you're saying mcxNOW is legit
07:57 BigBitz I am?
07:57 BigBitz Where did I say that?
07:58 kleeck Yeah. How much did he make @ IPO of mcxFEE?
07:58 Apocalyptic you didn't say it exactly word for word, but it's the impression you male
07:58 Apocalyptic *make
07:58 bitesak by inferring the reasons put forth can be legit
07:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [+]
07:58 kleeck I'm not familiar with RealSolid's history, but it seems that he has done similar things in the past.
07:58 Apocalyptic kleeck, he raised some millions I believe
07:59 mircea_popescu bitesak yeah, trouble getting teh price signals.
07:59 mircea_popescu kleeck yeah yest or w/e
07:59 Apocalyptic yeah, the MicroCash story
07:59 kleeck Apocalyptic, if only you could get help for under one million...
08:00 BigBitz scan reading an article and saying "if those reasons are legit" isn't exactly a glowing reference as to how it performs as an Exchange :)
08:00 BigBitz I only know one person who has actually used mcxNow - I haven't :)
08:00 kleeck Even his reasoning makes no sense. "This site is custom built on C++ so no one else can help, need to shut down. Well, the real reason is that I get emails...which no one can help with so... Oh yeah, and IRC complaints. No one can help with those either."
08:01 kleeck Sounds like you need a small helpdesk. One to Two level one techs can deal with all that.
08:01 BigBitz to me it read like he wanted to overhaul it and bring other people in... again - not exactly a glowing reference. His previous reigns didn't exactly pan out well...
08:02 kleeck That's kind of my point BigBitz is the issue the site or the support?
08:02 kleeck He isn't consistent.
08:02 mircea_popescu <bitesak> he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them << this
08:02 BigBitz kleeck depends I guess... if he wants someone to help him re-write maybe? who knows..... but not returning the actual bitcoins is criminal :D
08:02 kleeck "All existing mcxFEE holders will have the same mcxFEE balance when the site relaunches. I’m allowing people to trade mcxFEE up until December 20th in case they want to exit them."
08:02 kleeck "in case"
08:02 kleeck lol
08:02 Apocalyptic :)
08:03 iwilcox Back when mcx opened people seemed to be treating it like "I don't need ASICs, got me another kind of money-printing machine!" — I suspect some think they have a foot in a door or something and won't sell
08:04 mircea_popescu those same people that refuse to take good advice and do all their "investment" on just dice
08:04 iwilcox Yeah, them.
08:06 kleeck Wow. The dude raised 11000 BTC.
08:06 kleeck I'm sure the rise in BTC price has nothing to do with it.
08:06 bitesak I would like to think that is not true...
08:07 kleeck Surely looking at nearly 9million isn't a factor here.
08:07 mircea_popescu kleeck he raised my foot.
08:07 bitesak I mean the 11K raised. Do you have a btc address with some reasonable expectation it is linked to this outfit?
08:07 mircea_popescu he raised 30 btc and self traded for the rest in the hopes of seeming like he's got interest
08:08 mircea_popescu the burnside method, tho it was really pioneered by goat on glbse.
08:09 kleeck No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC.
08:09 kleeck People gave it to him.
08:09 kleeck in exchange for shares of the site.
08:09 Apocalyptic yeah mircea, i don't believe he faked trading on those
08:09 Apocalyptic people were just insane about how innovative it waq
08:09 Apocalyptic *was
08:09 mircea_popescu dude get out, people gave him 11k btc.
08:10 kleeck I haven't done the math. But that's what his forum thread is saying.
08:10 mircea_popescu o i see. well if a forum thread says so then that must be it
08:10 mircea_popescu 0.0
08:10 kleeck Actually Drawingthesun pretty much called it back a few weeks at IPO close.
08:11 mircea_popescu he got ~30 btc from a dozen or so retards.
08:11 mircea_popescu the rest is smoke.
08:12 kleeck Haha. First post on the thread: They're not trying to raise money, they're trying to cash out. The site is ready and operational, so it doesn't need to raise additional capital.
08:12 kleeck Prophetic.
08:13 kleeck I mean, he may have padded the share sales, mircea_popescu, but I was chatting with a number of people excited about this site and wanting to invest in it.
08:13 mircea_popescu i have chatted with a number of people pissed off at bitbet.
08:14 kleeck I imagine so.
08:14 ThickAsThieves NYT be trollin' http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/11/25/render-unto-caesar-but-who-backs-the-bitcoin/
08:14 kleeck But, yeah, there is no way to verify the numbers behind the scenes.
08:14 mircea_popescu i think you overestimate the importance of what anon dork says in a chatter box by anywhere between 500 and 54677695 degrees of magnitude.
08:14 mircea_popescu yes, there are plenty of ways. just, not accessible to the public.
08:14 ThickAsThieves <kleeck> No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC. <<< that's unlikely
08:15 kleeck This is what we're discussing ThickAsThieves
08:15 ThickAsThieves oh mp already said that
08:15 kleeck I just conceded that we can't really know outside of what this guy says.
08:15 kleeck I'd say he raised enough to make the venture worthwhile.
08:15 ThickAsThieves it's part of how the scam works
08:15 mircea_popescu kleeck there's multiple ways to know. one is to know all the people who acrually could invest 10k.
08:15 ThickAsThieves great a huge wave and see who sticks their toes in
08:16 kleeck And he at least paid off his "C++ Web Development for Dummies" book.
08:16 ThickAsThieves create*\
08:16 mircea_popescu another is to be one of the visible people to whom people come with questions as to credibility of entrepreneurs.
08:16 mircea_popescu a third is to employ a basementful of gnomes to constantly scan the blockchain
08:16 truffles lotta cynics today
08:17 ThickAsThieves i see no cynicism
08:17 mircea_popescu there's ways. just, nothing at the level of where average redditor's resources are.
08:17 truffles until he bails, ill go with yall jelly
08:17 ThickAsThieves lol
08:17 kleeck At this point if you're not a cynic you're not paying attention.
08:18 Apocalyptic mircea, did actually someone ask you about what do you think of RS ?
08:18 kleeck RS? RoadSilk?
08:18 mircea_popescu someone asked me what i think of rs at least each day since the ipo.
08:18 mircea_popescu someone asked me what i think of tradehill 2.o so many times i had to write a fucking article about it
08:18 mircea_popescu and etc.
08:19 BigBitz what do you think about BitBet stealing 10BTC, mircea_popescu? :D
08:19 ThickAsThieves my first instinct with mcxnow, before the "IPO" was that it's a scam, then once the IPO came I did like 3min of research to discover the guy was indeed shady
08:19 BigBitz yeah ThickAsThieves as I said ^^ his other reigns were interesting...
08:19 mircea_popescu BigBitz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3713720#msg3713720
08:20 mircea_popescu that dude. he pretty much has it.
08:20 ThickAsThieves hopefully most noobs' lesson-learning was cheap
08:20 Apocalyptic had the same instinct TAT
08:20 kleeck ThickAsThieves, you were close. I believe you suggested ponzi, but it was actually crash and grab. I'll award you 3/5 Scam Detection Points.
08:20 kleeck SDP, new AltCoin. Dibs.
08:20 BigBitz mircea_popescu :)
08:20 ThickAsThieves lol
08:20 mircea_popescu srsly, it's not so hard to figure out the guy, one need but read his genius coin solutions,
08:20 mircea_popescu with the unspendable coins and whatnot
08:21 ThickAsThieves i wonder if one day ponzi will just be redefined to mean 'bitcoin scam'
08:21 mircea_popescu Peter Leeds of the Penny Stock newsletter put it to me this way: “In a matter of months you won’t be hearing about it. It will go the same way of Paris Hilton. People will move on to the next thing.”
08:21 ThickAsThieves maybe we should choose a term like "a labcoin"
08:21 mircea_popescu let it be entered into the record that peter leeds of obscure shithole has no future in finance.
08:21 ThickAsThieves hehe
08:22 mircea_popescu “Every big idea starts out sounding crazy. But not every crazy-sounding idea ends up being big,” Matthew O’Brien wrote in The Atlantic in a brilliant takedown of bitcon.
08:22 mircea_popescu further entered into the record that matthre o'brien may never be hired in any white collar capacity.
08:22 mircea_popescu learn to plumb or learn to not eat matt.
08:23 mircea_popescu "But if, and this is a big if, your peer-to-peer transaction doesn’t work properly, there is no central clearinghouse to complain to."
08:23 mircea_popescu jesus god. this guy is retarded wtf.
08:23 ThickAsThieves now imagine that when i first read the article, i thought it was written by AARON sorkin
08:23 ThickAsThieves i was lolling it up
08:23 mircea_popescu ANDREW ROSS SORKIN may not be employed. plumb or starve.
08:23 mircea_popescu lol the "you can't handle the truth" giuy ?
08:23 mircea_popescu that'd have been something...
08:24 mircea_popescu "In truth, the best bitcoin can hope for is to be a second-rate version of gold, if that"
08:24 mircea_popescu no srsly. this is like reading whitehouse sponsored pulp as to why obama is not a fucktard.
08:25 mircea_popescu "all the people saying he's a fucktard are racist and also they didn't check their privilege"
08:29 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
08:29 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 881.1, Best ask: 886.1, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 881.1, 24 hour volume: 29975.65641520, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 887.0, 24 hour vwap: 834.25535
08:29 ThickAsThieves i havent looked, but i bet the article also has some choice supporting comments
08:30 ThickAsThieves "If it is digital, it can be hacked"
08:30 mircea_popescu should i link to the trilema article about linking analog intercoms i wonder.
08:31 mircea_popescu about hacking*
08:36 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
08:36 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
08:37 ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats
08:37 mircea_popescu this thing's shaping up, 13:11 btc so far. what do ye say ?
08:37 ThickAsThieves ;;estimate
08:37 gribble Current Blocks: 271609 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 550 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693619225.587 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.80458
08:37 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 693619225.587 based on data since last change | 703797499.444 based on data for last three days
08:37 mircea_popescu do we cross 2bn in 3 months ?
08:37 ThickAsThieves i dunno, but wtf is bitcoin gonna be worth this Spring?!
08:38 mircea_popescu possibly more than gold.
08:39 ThickAsThieves awww do all bets get a scam warning spam comment now?
08:41 mircea_popescu possibly.
08:41 mircea_popescu freedom of speech eh.
08:42 ThickAsThieves in the kingdom of BitBet? how benevolent
08:43 ThickAsThieves ;;bids 0
08:43 gribble There are currently 12176618 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37739636.1638 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.4974 seconds
08:43 ThickAsThieves $37m
08:44 ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 1000
08:44 gribble A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 890804.4712 USD and would take the last price up to 897.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 890.8045 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 31.3673 seconds
08:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2013#292617
08:45 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
08:45 mircea_popescu always been teh case!
08:45 ThickAsThieves :)
08:51 kleeck .d
08:51 ozbot 609482679.88835 | Next Diff in 546 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3034% in 3d 6h 46m 9s
09:00 dexX7 maybe snackman is mp and this is just a marketing stunt
09:00 turbo_ac100 Hi, I submitted the "CIPHERTRADE will go live on 02-01-2014 " bet. Rejection reason is " Needs better specs". The spec was: People are able to submit new assets.
09:00 turbo_ac100 Any better ideas
09:00 turbo_ac100 ?
09:01 mircea_popescu dexX7 nah it's some dorky kid from pa
09:01 dexX7 haha i know :)
09:02 mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 hard to make. as it stands, your bet would be satisfied by a ciphertrade.tripod.com webpage including a form where you can type text and that then gets published
09:02 turbo_ac100 true
09:02 dexX7 tripod? :D
09:02 mircea_popescu this sorts of bets aren't accepted so as not to transform bitbet into a revenue source for the forum scammers.
09:03 mircea_popescu (otherwise the business model becomes, make 50 forum accounts, herp a lot about some new "exchange", make bitbet bet, profit)
09:03 turbo_ac100 seems legit...
09:03 mircea_popescu myeah. the idea is to limit scammer revenue streams.
09:04 ThickAsThieves what if you assigned the bet to Kate instead, like "a crypto-currency based securities exchange will open that Kate-Craig purports to be a partner in ownership"
09:04 ThickAsThieves or whatever
09:05 mircea_popescu then kate can just decide which way the bet closes
09:05 mircea_popescu this isn't a bet in any sense.
09:05 ThickAsThieves by not opening her exchange?
09:05 mircea_popescu you can't have a bet that goes "The Pope will say if this bet wins or loses"
09:05 ThickAsThieves surely bitbet already has some of those
09:05 mircea_popescu not as far as can be helped
09:06 ThickAsThieves like all bets relating to a ship date or opening date
09:06 ThickAsThieves pretty easy for the business to control the outcome
09:06 mircea_popescu except they have actual economic incentive not to.
09:06 dexX7 aren't those "exchange x announces it's closure within a year" bets similar?
09:06 mircea_popescu random scam with no business does not.
09:06 mircea_popescu dexX7 no because those have to face withdrawals.
09:07 ThickAsThieves i'm not sure i'd classify cipherstuff as random scam
09:07 mircea_popescu see, the idea is for a bet to be about more than just the bet itself
09:07 mircea_popescu to avoid creating betting black holes
09:07 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves on the grounds of what verifiable fact ?
09:08 dexX7 deprived is on the boat
09:08 ThickAsThieves well, i know i'm not a random scam
09:08 turbo_ac100 dexX7, true that
09:08 mircea_popescu but i know you've paid people.
09:08 ThickAsThieves and i have done many of the things she has
09:08 mircea_popescu who exactly has this thing paid ?
09:08 ThickAsThieves i suppose
09:08 mircea_popescu well ?
09:08 mircea_popescu it's a big difference.
09:09 ThickAsThieves well she's run her assets for a long time and not disappeared
09:09 mircea_popescu "run her assets".
09:09 ThickAsThieves ignorning any delving into the quality of the assets
09:09 mircea_popescu obsi ?
09:09 turbo_ac100 ThickAsThieves, ...without reapearing.
09:09 ThickAsThieves my point is that she's super trustworthy,
09:10 mircea_popescu (tbg the theory where kate/craig = the newest identity of the obsi glbse scammer is one of the better)
09:10 ThickAsThieves so much as hard to pin down as not trustworthy
09:10 ThickAsThieves i'm not a fan of some of her ways
09:10 ThickAsThieves but i cant find scamming
09:10 mircea_popescu in some circumstances it's presumed.
09:10 ThickAsThieves oops
09:10 ThickAsThieves <ThickAsThieves> my point is NOT that she's super trustworthy,
09:11 mircea_popescu yeah i gathered.
09:11 ThickAsThieves also, spekaing for Deprived, he is not officially part of her exchange at this time
09:11 dexX7 what criteria do you suggest to get a bet including ciphertrade listed on bb?
09:11 ThickAsThieves but may be at some point
09:12 ThickAsThieves dexx7, thats your problem to solve it seems
09:12 Apocalyptic TAT, as far as I know he's jut an "advisor"
09:12 ThickAsThieves right
09:12 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you know, this sort of using repuitable member's naivite... that's how labscam worked with theseven for instance.
09:13 mircea_popescu this is a huge black mark rather than anything else.
09:13 ThickAsThieves yeah, my guess is Deprived was initially down to join, and is now unsure
09:13 turbo_ac100 Apocalyptic, he said he considers listing DMS there. Nothing more afaik.
09:13 ThickAsThieves so his name is attached
09:16 mircea_popescu dexX7 i dunno. something that can be verified.
09:16 ThickAsThieves maybe find out the domain name they intend to use?
09:16 mircea_popescu and also something that is hard to do. putting a website up thereupon numbers are displayed is no sort of achievement.
09:17 mircea_popescu this is what seems to be lost on all the forum tards : so you made a webpage. well done, you're now 15. so ?
09:17 ThickAsThieves make the criteria "mircea popusecu can make an account, but a share, sell it, and get his money out"
09:17 ThickAsThieves buy*
09:17 kakobrekla butt
09:17 mircea_popescu lol right
09:19 mircea_popescu more liek, S.MPOE will be listed on ciphertrade. that's a bold bet, i'd bet on it.
09:20 mircea_popescu so i gave this chick the task to find the original latin version of the "friends, romans, countrymen" speech.
09:20 mircea_popescu she's still searching for it.
09:20 mircea_popescu i have no fucking idea what they teach in school these days, but it definitely isn't english.
09:23 ThickAsThieves someone attempting it http://latindiscussion.com/forum/latin/friends-romans-countrymen-lend-me-your-ears.16980/
09:23 mircea_popescu well it's fuckin shakespeare you know ?
09:23 mircea_popescu it has no latin original.
09:24 ThickAsThieves just use google translate, i'm sure you'll be fine
09:24 ThickAsThieves :)
09:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3909 = 0.7818 BTC [-]
09:30 bloctoc ;;seen mircea_popescu
09:30 gribble mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 minutes and 17 seconds ago: * mircea_popescu fumes
09:34 Apocalyptic turbo_ac100, https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php?topic=7176.0 , see under Advisory board
09:34 Apocalyptic it would be pretty foolish to list him if he wasn't involved
09:35 turbo_ac100 hm yeah. Could of course be that he gave advice a couple of times and that was that.
09:35 kakobrekla that girl cant run an asset, how can she run an exchange?
09:35 mircea_popescu wow litecoin forum is at 7k topic index ?!
09:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39999999 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}
09:36 kakobrekla Other features planned from the outset include:
09:36 kakobrekla A fully live AJAX-driven site
09:36 Apocalyptic turbo_ac100, that's not my definition of "advisory board", i.e. i would be pissed if someone mentionned me on that when all i did was answered 1/2 questions
09:36 kakobrekla YES MORE AJAX!!!1
09:36 mircea_popescu kakobrekla the funniest part to me is the proeminent "paybans for the chatbox"
09:36 Apocalyptic lel kako
09:36 mircea_popescu that's a great revenue stream, for exchanges.
09:37 Apocalyptic people need real time updating and more javascript shit
09:37 kakobrekla ah stop spoiling it for me im not there yet
09:37 mircea_popescu o sorry.
09:39 turbo_ac100 Apocalyptic, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg3655452#msg3655452 this reads differently. "But we are NOT committed (in the sense of having promised to go there) to it - and, at present, I am not committed to being involved either as part of the operational team for it OR as an investor in it."
09:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999999 BTC [+]
09:40 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic you can't really expect the guy to chase all over obscure forums to correct deliberate misrepresentation by interested parties. he made a statement, it's good enough.
09:40 kleeck Wow.
09:40 kakobrekla im through now
09:41 Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, indeed
09:41 Apocalyptic wasn't aware of that statement
09:41 kakobrekla this will end like nefario/burnside/ukto/worse
09:41 kleeck Working through a third part vendor for one of the companies my company acquired. Asking for the software licensing key and the chick sends me the EULA for the software. /facepalm.
09:41 kleeck "Well, it has the word 'license' in it!"
09:41 Apocalyptic thanks turbo_ac100 somehow i missed this statement
09:42 turbo_ac100 I remembered it less harsh, too.
09:49 ThickAsThieves why does everything that is purely informational have to be "harsh" to people
09:50 ThickAsThieves should he have used more cuddly words?
09:50 kleeck "The problem the department has always had in investigating Julian Assange is there is no way to prosecute him for publishing information without the same theory being applied to journalists," former Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller said.
09:50 kleeck Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/julian-assange-unlikely-to-be-charged-in-us-20131126-2y7uk.html#ixzz2llOPnd3I
09:50 kleeck http://www.smh.com.au/world/julian-assange-unlikely-to-be-charged-in-us-20131126-2y7uk.html
09:50 ozbot Julian Assange unlikely to be charged in US
09:50 ThickAsThieves hopefully they can solve that problem
09:50 ThickAsThieves plenty journalist worth arresting
09:51 mircea_popescu ya but they'd arrest all the other ones.
09:51 kleeck I don't think Obama wants to add a "War on Journalism" to his repertoire.
09:51 ThickAsThieves they are doing fine on their own
09:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4 = 3.2 BTC [+]
09:52 kleeck Are you talking about poor journalism? Because I'm talking about good journalism, i.e. whistleblowing or avenues for such.
09:54 mircea_popescu if they arrested huffpo, salon, vice etc in corpore that'd be pretty cool.
09:54 kleeck hey. I like Vice.
09:54 ThickAsThieves <ThickAsThieves> hopefully they can solve that problem <<< twas a joke
09:54 kleeck They may not be real journalism but they're fun.
09:54 kleeck :P
09:55 mircea_popescu lolk
09:55 mircea_popescu not nearly enough tits for that.
09:55 mircea_popescu if they had an editorial rule that all writers must send tits first, then i'd relent.
09:55 turbo_ac100_ ThickAsThieves, harsh was English fuckup. I meant unambiguous or sth like this.
09:56 ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rhnto/kncminer_launches_20nm_neptune_asic_bitcoin_miner/
09:56 ThickAsThieves poor asicminer
09:56 ozbot KnCMiner Launches 20nm Neptune ASIC Bitcoin Miner With at Least 2TH of Power : Bitcoin
09:57 mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 strong.
09:57 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i don't recall, did they ever deliver on their previous planets ?
09:57 ThickAsThieves yessir
09:57 ThickAsThieves afaik
09:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00214796 = 0.479 BTC [+] {5}
09:57 mircea_popescu a a yes now i recall not recalling before
09:57 mircea_popescu i dunno why it's so difficult this one :D
09:58 ThickAsThieves maybe next year only 3 companies will remain and itll be eays
09:59 mircea_popescu yeah. right.
09:59 mircea_popescu because things do get easier over time. this happens.
09:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.38155814 = 16.407 BTC [-] {8}
10:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00374 = 0.3441 BTC [-]
10:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.418 = 0.836 BTC [+] {2}
10:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]
10:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]
10:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4199998 BTC [-]
10:13 ThickAsThieves hmm
10:13 ThickAsThieves thos AM1 ask orders are not showing up on the books in havelock
10:13 ThickAsThieves yet they are being filled
10:13 ThickAsThieves topace ^^ ??
10:16 ThickAsThieves LTC almost $14
10:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [-]
10:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 262 @ 0.00374962 = 0.9824 BTC [+] {3}
10:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 338 @ 0.0037807 = 1.2779 BTC [+] {3}
10:29 topace ?
10:30 ThickAsThieves i was staring at the orderbook when those last few trades went off, and they never showed up
10:30 ThickAsThieves i assumed it was just lag for the livebooks
10:30 ThickAsThieves so i started refreshing a bunch
10:30 ThickAsThieves and thats when the last trade or two fired
10:30 topace yea hte "live update" doesnt yet add new orders
10:30 topace it only removes cancelled orders
10:30 topace then whole page reloads every 30 seconds (maybe its 20?)
10:30 ThickAsThieves ah
10:30 ThickAsThieves hrm
10:31 ThickAsThieves make it live-er plz!
10:31 topace yea
10:31 topace its "on the list"
10:31 topace :(
10:31 topace i just hired another full time employee
10:31 ThickAsThieves you sound like Ukyo now
10:31 topace heh
10:31 ThickAsThieves you spoiled me
10:32 topace except i have an office, a phone number, and a whole team (currently 6 in my office)
10:32 topace they just arent all dedicated to havelock unfortunately
10:32 ThickAsThieves which one is assigned to cater to each of my whims?
10:32 topace ol that'd be me :(
10:32 ThickAsThieves hehe
10:32 topace becuase im foolish enough to hang out on irc
10:33 jcpham me too bro
10:33 jcpham me too
10:33 topace brings me back to my DoD days.. ahh the 90's
10:33 jcpham i found a cult of the dead cow sticker in an old book the other day
10:33 ThickAsThieves topace when are those Neptunes sposed to ship
10:33 topace Q1/Q2
10:34 topace pretty vague
10:34 ThickAsThieves thats some range
10:34 ThickAsThieves also, i heard that KnC uses eASIC, is that true?
10:34 topace i think its like.. "end of q1, early q2"
10:34 topace but knc is pretty good about underpromise/overdliver
10:34 topace deliver
10:34 topace yea knc is cell based asic i think
10:34 topace or smoething
10:34 ThickAsThieves you pretty much have to with the rabid bitcoin masses
10:35 Diablo-D3 ;;ticker
10:35 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 870.599, Best ask: 877.0, Bid-ask spread: 6.40100, Last trade: 877.49999, 24 hour volume: 30617.54264616, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 896.0, 24 hour vwap: 839.94739
10:35 topace i wouldnt be surprised if the neptunes are 4-5TH by the time they ship
10:35 topace ThickAsThieves: i just checked the past AM1 trades, no problem there, there'ss exsisting orders on both sides
10:35 topace and they make sense
10:36 ThickAsThieves i wouldnt be surprised if the diff is 4-5b by then too
10:36 ThickAsThieves cool
10:36 ThickAsThieves just seemed odd, it must just be that trade bot is fast
10:37 Diablo-D3 FAST BOT IS FAST
10:37 ThickAsThieves just delay all bot orders for 60s plz
10:37 ThickAsThieves :)
10:38 topace hehe
10:38 topace yea, the api gets hit pretty heavily
10:38 topace probably 30-50 requests/second
10:38 topace at times
10:38 topace (not contstant)
10:39 topace probably average 10/sec though over time
10:48 mircea_popescu http://www.hazard-herald.com/news/home_top-news/2796669/Vicco-to-consider-paying-police-chief-in-Bitcoin
10:48 assbot 123!
10:48 ozbot Vicco to consider paying police chief in Bitcoin - hazard-herald.com
10:51 mike_c that guy is awesome
10:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5394 @ 0.0000881 = 0.4752 BTC [-] {9}
10:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000087 = 0.522 BTC [-] {2}
11:00 thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe
11:00 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078569 / 0.00078981 / 0.00079063 (29950 shares, 23.66 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.0008004 / 0.00085604 (1339765 shares, 1,072.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)
11:00 thestringpuller !last m s.mpoe
11:00 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]
11:00 thestringpuller dopeness
11:06 thestringpuller haven't seen that name in awhile
~ 15 minutes ~
11:21 ThickAsThieves hah Garr255 negrated me on forums finally, for negrating him "illegitimately"
11:22 ThickAsThieves appears we both have default trust
11:22 thestringpuller people trust forum ratings?
11:22 jurov` yea, but only the legitimate ones
11:22 ThickAsThieves i suppose it depends who you ask
11:22 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-process-bitcoin-payments-cheaply-and-easily/
11:22 ozbot How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:26 Venat Thank you midnightmagic
11:26 Venat mircea_popescu, *
11:27 mircea_popescu yw
11:27 jurov` phew, just generating either unique addresses or unique amounts is near trivial
11:28 jurov` harder is to actually detect incoming bitcoins if you don;'t want to do it by hand
11:28 mircea_popescu jurov` trivialer to generate ammts i think
11:29 jurov` since dudes around here are trying to make bitcoin POS
11:29 jurov` we had some meditations around doublespend detection, tx propagation and such
11:29 jurov` and there will be much more
11:30 mircea_popescu yeah but you gotta appreciate, that's exactly the other end of the spectrum from what im discussing
11:30 pankkake KnC announces "Neptune", 20nm miner
11:31 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
11:31 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 885.31107, Best ask: 896.99499, Bid-ask spread: 11.68392, Last trade: 883.22307, 24 hour volume: 31502.25733348, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 843.94834
11:31 ThickAsThieves time to break ATH
11:32 jurov` yes, i appreciate it's only for simplest stuff
11:33 jurov` still, the actual processing part is completely missing
11:34 mircea_popescu at that level it's supposed to be done by hand by the one guy who's the business.
11:35 jurov` yes. i guess his email needs to be in Cc or Bcc
11:36 mircea_popescu it sends two eh ?
11:36 jurov` and he should be able to keep track of stuff so that he doesn't credit account twice or such
11:36 mircea_popescu he just watches the one address
11:37 jurov` yes . then he notices the last digits and <troll>reverses the hash to obtain the email. easy </troll>
11:37 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: so your method is for people with treasurers?
11:37 mircea_popescu herp lol. it's salted.
11:37 mircea_popescu thestringpuller my method is for people trying to sell online. like say nubbins.
11:38 thestringpuller yes, but your article implies this is manually done and not automated
11:38 thestringpuller what if nubbins is too busy doing nubbin things?
11:38 mircea_popescu like what ?
11:38 ThickAsThieves like processing credit card orders!
11:38 thestringpuller like painting pretty pictures of women, or smoking blunts with hip hop artists
11:38 mircea_popescu he can't automate it, he will have to mail it. himself.
11:38 turbo_ac100_ mircea_popescu, Haha "How to process Bitcoin payments" actually sounds like you were writing for people you don't despise although you suggest they don't know what a salt is.
11:38 thestringpuller yes exactly but in terms of generating an invoice
11:38 mircea_popescu so once he sees a new payment, he searches his inbox, finds the relvant receiver and goes mail
11:38 turbo_ac100_ What happened? :D
11:39 nubbins` morning
11:39 mircea_popescu turbo_ac100_ better to explain what doesn't need to be explained
11:39 mircea_popescu than to not explain what could have been useful.
11:39 nubbins` well. afternoon
11:39 thestringpuller yes, but that means nubbin's takes the role of treasurer?
11:39 ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/26/5147410/bitcoin-hack-allegedly-steals-over-1-million-from-bips-wallet-service
11:39 ozbot Second major Bitcoin heist this month allegedly takes over $1 million | The Verge
11:39 nubbins` don't put me in charge of money
11:39 thestringpuller reconciling the order from his inbox to the address is still a manual process
11:39 thestringpuller wouldn't that be best served by a treasurer?
11:39 thestringpuller someone dedicated to that task?
11:39 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaAkwOyCEAAIGaY.jpg:large
11:40 mircea_popescu thestringpuller the order in his inbox is the address
11:41 thestringpuller ah so it reconciles itself! the message in the inbox == the invoice
11:41 thestringpuller makes more sense ty
11:41 nubbins` i received three calls from UPS today, two robots and a person
11:42 nubbins` you'd think they'd just make the one call, since all three packages are from the same sender
11:42 mircea_popescu nubbins` https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaAkwOyCEAAIGaY.jpg:large
11:42 mircea_popescu replace obama administration with ups
11:42 nubbins` replace obama administr... yeah
11:42 nubbins` srsly tho
11:43 ThickAsThieves UPS for president!
11:43 nubbins` nooooo
11:43 pankkake "If he had any decency he would offer a buy back at 0.2, save some of his name, show that he has belief in the site... and he would still be 5 millions good."
11:43 pankkake guy stole only half my money so he's decent!
11:43 mircea_popescu these fuckwits
11:43 mircea_popescu just go on jd already omg
11:43 ThickAsThieves plz only steal enough so that i dont lose money sir
11:43 mircea_popescu lol
11:43 pankkake yeah they should, cause I'm still down on jd :(
11:43 mircea_popescu you know we laugh at this, but these are voters
11:43 mircea_popescu and this is how their life works.
11:43 nubbins` i raked it in on jd and then cashed out
11:44 nubbins` can't get any luckier than that, so i stopped
11:44 mircea_popescu pls obama only steal enough so i don;'t lose money
11:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00375 = 0.2138 BTC [-]
11:45 ThickAsThieves it bothers me more that he is making money, than that they are losing money
11:45 mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu
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11:45 nubbins` tat, does it generally bother you when people lose money? ;)
11:45 mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a7e3ff911e16f8fe42897565cdab5b3fa41e6bd9940e85f4469096b4
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11:45 ThickAsThieves well i'm certainly not wishing ill will on people
11:46 ThickAsThieves i'
11:46 nubbins` there's middle ground in there
11:46 ThickAsThieves m even pretty tolerant of ignorance
11:46 mircea_popescu ;;rate bloctoc 1 works for mfoundry, all around reasonable guy.
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11:47 nubbins` i gotta print book covers today, some girl is getting us to publish an excerpt from one of her diaries
11:47 ThickAsThieves interesting
11:47 nubbins` it's a real fuckin downer
11:47 ThickAsThieves heh
11:47 nubbins` i mean, the job itself is ok
11:47 nubbins` the diary is a downer
11:48 nubbins` also poorly written, but what do you expect
11:48 mike_c how many copies?
11:48 nubbins` 50
11:48 mike_c are you binding them?
11:48 nubbins` nod
11:49 mircea_popescu 50 copies of a diary ?
11:49 nubbins` nod
11:49 mircea_popescu i mean either make like... 5, for your grandkids
11:49 mircea_popescu or else 5mn
11:49 ThickAsThieves maybe its for her funeral
11:49 mircea_popescu diaries should not exist in the middle.
11:49 nubbins` well ya know. a lot of the stuff we publish is more for a release on the part of the author than for anything else
11:49 mike_c nubs, are you typesetting?
11:50 nubbins` mike_c: yep
11:50 mike_c wow, lot of work for 50 copies.
11:50 nubbins` we've published a bunch of stuff from this guy who spent a few years in the bughouse
11:50 nubbins` really, really strange stuff
11:50 nubbins` actually a good read, but he said he mostly wants to get it out of his head rather than make a fortune off it
11:51 Venat nubbins`,
11:51 nubbins` let me find you an excerpt
11:54 nubbins` but it was too late for all that, the buggers held full control, so all rooms are now hospital. the candy cart of medication wheels behind me, manacled by psychotic chains. lines of division have been dissolved. this letter is also spoken live in the minds of all others. medication is food. Rx is smoked. food is smoked. all useless as light dripped from bulbs into splashing puddles of light upon th
11:54 nubbins` floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'
11:54 nubbins` John the Baptist runs soap suds over the brainstem, each bubble is Electroconvulsive therapy raining from the fingertips of classical musicians. we sit upon psychedelic mushrooms like sleeping toads. these toads are pharmacists...pharmacobotanists.
11:54 nubbins` flies spit antipsychotic froth on their tongues & wheel about cheap paint walls. all hospitals are life now
11:54 nubbins` ^ that's right in the thick of it there
11:54 mircea_popescu meh. read burroughs be done with the sort of crap. at least that's my experience.
11:55 Venat Do you enjoy Faldbakken, nubbins` ?
11:55 nubbins` yeah, heavy burroughs/bukowski influences there
11:55 ThickAsThieves ive read this before
11:55 ThickAsThieves have you linked images of it?
11:55 nubbins` yeah, promo posters
11:56 nubbins` Venat: not familiar
11:56 nubbins` oddly, my mother enjoyed reading it
11:57 nubbins` altho she said the ending was disappointing
11:57 nubbins` ThickAsThieves: https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/15081_558917170800903_1992303654_n.pngf
11:57 nubbins` oops, https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/15081_558917170800903_1992303654_n.png
11:58 nubbins` we made a bunch
11:58 ThickAsThieves it's like reading pink floyd the wall
11:59 nubbins` you know, they're not joking when they say not to take LSD and watch that movie
12:00 nubbins` anyway, we have i think 4 or 5 copies of the first edition left if you're looking for xmas gifts for the weirdos in your family
12:00 mike_c somebody needs to wake up the chinese
12:00 mike_c ;;premium btcn mtgox
12:01 gribble Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -2.11807954545 %.
12:01 ThickAsThieves let them sleep
12:01 ThickAsThieves it's hard work buying bitcoins all day
12:02 mike_c i think this means that usd is a scarier bet than the yuan right now.
12:07 ThickAsThieves wikipedia wants me to donate with a pop-up, but no bitcoin option
12:07 ThickAsThieves Credit Card, PayPal, Amazon
12:07 thestringpuller USD interests rates are about to skyrocket so I wouldn't hold yuan for too long
12:11 pankkake donating in fiat should get you tax breaks though
12:12 nubbins` oh hey, $850 on virtex, that's an ATH
12:13 mike_c gox missed ath by $1
12:13 mike_c $2
12:14 mircea_popescu thestringpuller how do you figure ?
12:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03697998 = 0.1849 BTC [+]
12:16 thestringpuller it shouldn't come as a surprise with QE-Infinity
12:16 mircea_popescu http://bitcoincharts.com/ is down again
12:16 phungus QE TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
12:16 mike_c they've been struggling lately
12:16 mircea_popescu who was asking earlier about why mpbot ain't quoting ?
12:17 mike_c thestringpuller you think this is just talk? http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/22/us-usa-fed-lockhart-idUSBRE9AL0KI20131122
12:18 phungus they can't taper without throwing markets in to turmoil
12:18 phungus it's a huge catch-22
12:18 mircea_popescu they have been talking about it for 3 years.
12:18 mircea_popescu taper = food shortages in the us.
12:20 mike_c i don't follow that. seems not tapering -> hyperinflation -> food shortages.
12:20 mircea_popescu yes.
12:20 mike_c so food shortages either way?
12:21 mircea_popescu it's not a question of food shortages being avoidable.
12:21 mike_c ah. i gotta go to the grocery store. brb.
12:21 mircea_popescu well pretty much. whadda ya want
12:21 mike_c :)
12:21 thestringpuller oh god
12:21 thestringpuller lol reading this article is like reading the beginning of the monetary apocalypse in the US
12:21 thestringpuller history in the making :(
12:23 mike_c what's the big deal? what's a $4 trillion balance sheet among friends?
12:23 mircea_popescu basically the continued qe makes repatriation of all assets from the us a slow process
12:23 phungus we're fucked every which way with QE
12:24 mircea_popescu gives the voters the opportunity to learbn slowly, move their diets towards govt cheese over a few years
12:24 mircea_popescu tapering may ignite a gold rush
12:24 mike_c you mean..
12:24 mike_c a bitcoin rush!
12:24 mircea_popescu and that's well... harder to pretend "we're progressing" and that dietary restrictions are "for your own health"
12:26 nubbins` y'know, i started stockpiling food and water long before i started stockpiling precious metals and btc
12:26 nubbins` priorities, yes?
12:26 mircea_popescu this stockpiling theory...
12:26 asciilifeform 'the lead standard.'
12:26 mircea_popescu suppose you were the one guy in leningrad with a basement full of ham.
12:26 mircea_popescu soooo ?
12:27 nubbins` so you get to stay in said basement and never come out for fear of being ripped to pieces by hungry neighbours
12:27 mircea_popescu right.
12:27 nubbins` win-win
12:27 ThickAsThieves so now you have a lot of ham and people to eat
12:27 mircea_popescu because they can't force their way in. you can't currently keep the police at bay from your basement
12:28 mircea_popescu and you'kll somehow keep a horde at bay. through what means.
12:28 ThickAsThieves bitcoin
12:28 nubbins` well, the police only know i have stockpiles of food because i've entered it into the public record.
12:28 pankkake that's why you should actually stockpile tanks
12:28 nubbins` waaaaaitaminute
12:28 pankkake and/or bunkers
12:28 mircea_popescu i guess you could always threaten to post on bitcointalk if they scam you of your ham...
12:28 ThickAsThieves i stockpile stockpiles
12:28 nubbins` hahaha
12:28 asciilifeform airplanes.
12:28 asciilifeform a stockpile of one might suffice.
12:28 mircea_popescu an airplane stockpile,
12:28 mircea_popescu with maple syrup
12:28 nubbins` anyway, it's not a bad idea. suppose you get laid off, having 6 months of food is a big help
12:29 mircea_popescu nubbins` i can't remember a time when my largest expense was food.
12:29 nubbins` suppose the power goes for the better part of a week in the dead of winter. having a big pile of kerosene is a big help
12:29 mike_c my stockpile
12:29 mike_c http://www.pimaair.org/images/hm_features/img_04.jpg
12:29 nubbins` suppose the faucet starts spitting brown water. having a big pile of jugged water is a big help
12:29 ThickAsThieves you stockpile .jpg files?
12:29 nubbins` tat, suppose something happens to my wife?
12:29 mike_c yes. smaller than bmp
12:30 mircea_popescu mike_c i see your stockpile and i rase you a titpile. http://www.smeddley.com/crafts/crochet/pile-of-boobs.jpg
12:30 nubbins` heh
12:30 nubbins` nice tits
12:30 mike_c oh wow. you win.
12:30 deadweasel nubbins, what happens if the police decide they want your stockpiles?
12:31 deadweasel why would you enter it into the public record?
12:31 asciilifeform why on earth would you do that
12:31 mike_c he already did. about 20 lines up.
12:31 ThickAsThieves we know about your ham bro
12:32 deadweasel NSA nubbins' record: Lots of HAM in basement.*
12:32 nubbins` deadweasel: i'm hoping the local cops won't know about log.bitcoin-assets.com
12:33 nubbins` anyway, this isn't the usa where every neighbourhood has a swat team
12:33 deadweasel yeah, moved away from those areas too.
12:34 nubbins` anyway the police are generally fuckups here
12:34 mircea_popescu nubbins` speaking of that : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/apa.jpg
12:34 nubbins` hahahahaha
12:34 nubbins` mircea_popescu: that's not water, that's soju
12:35 nubbins` now THAT'S a stockpile
12:35 mircea_popescu it's low co2 mineral water, best in teh world
12:35 mircea_popescu ;;google perla harghitei
12:35 gribble Perla Harghitei S.A. - Official website: <http://www.perlaharghitei.ro/>; Refreshing drinks... - Perla Harghitei: <http://www.perlaharghitei.ro/index.php?lang=en&page=products_list&prod_type=ALGR&mr=4&p=R>; Perla Harghitei - FineWaters: <http://www.finewaters.com/Bottled_Water/Romania/Perla_Harghitei.asp>
12:35 nubbins` oh!
12:35 mircea_popescu gallon bottles, 2 pellets.
12:36 nubbins` looks like these: http://www.talongin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/jinro2.jpg
12:36 mircea_popescu lol
12:36 nubbins` (and they seriously sell it in jugs like that)
12:36 mircea_popescu http://supermarketclaudia.ro/image/cache/data/produse%20alimentare/bauturi%20racoritoare/apa%20plata/perla%20harg5l-500x500.jpg
12:36 nubbins` ahhh
12:37 nubbins` http://absolutelyfobulous.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Soju2.jpg
12:37 nubbins` soju is also available in juice box form
12:39 asciilifeform re: stockpiles, useful advice: https://unsee.cc/gatewu/
12:39 jurov` at least they don't sell fiji water in romania i hope
12:40 nubbins` nod, i've told nobody but you guys about my stockpiles
12:40 mircea_popescu you can have my titpiles, they come back to me anyway
12:41 asciilifeform "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'
12:42 mircea_popescu they believe no such thing.
12:42 mircea_popescu people, generally, will make any claim that seems on the balance of the moment to yield them more beans.
12:42 nubbins` ^
12:42 asciilifeform "when hunger seizes people, food becomes an obsession, and folks search memories as well as cupboards for relief...'
12:42 mircea_popescu belief is entirely a different matter altogether
12:42 nubbins` people will justify any action to get what they want
12:43 nubbins` "fuck him, let's take it" is more than enough justification
12:43 asciilifeform the article is more or less a list of 'don't's.
12:43 ThickAsThieves ltc at $16.4
12:43 mircea_popescu perhaps the deeply seated, secret reason why bitbet policy struck such a chord with the multitudes.
12:44 mircea_popescu they feel threatened when it's a case of "you fucked up, you're fucked"
12:44 mircea_popescu that means their usual "fuck you, we want yoru stuff" is perhaps not the be all, end all.
12:44 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/623/litecoin-ltc-to-rise-above-20usd-each-before/
12:44 ozbot BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th
12:45 mike_c asciilifeform: great story about the firewood. not often you read recent historical accounts of this kind of stuff.
12:46 asciilifeform don't be the ham in leningrad. 'need to know' is the useful keyword. your mother (and youtube) don't need to see what caliber you prefer. etc.
12:47 nubbins` yeah
12:47 nubbins` lot of hurricane katrina horror stories on the survivalist forums
12:47 nubbins` cops raiding houses where generators can be heard
12:47 mircea_popescu heh. yep
12:47 nubbins` armed bandits roaming
12:48 nubbins` great reading, some of it
12:48 mircea_popescu in the current us cops are strictly pacified barbarian tribes, "keeping the peace" a la cumans in the old republic.
12:48 nubbins` nod
12:48 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rib1d/how_to_process_bitcoin_payments_cheaply_and_easily
12:48 ozbot How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily : Bitcoin
12:48 mircea_popescu vote o redditors
12:50 ThickAsThieves voted
12:50 mircea_popescu ty.
12:53 ThickAsThieves i feel guilty saying this, but i just found like 600ltc i didnt know i had
12:53 mircea_popescu haha
12:53 mircea_popescu the seat cushions of #bitcoin-assets shall become more fabled than those of the shah of iran
12:54 mircea_popescu "and then looking through old stuff i had in the fridge i found an emerald"
12:54 pankkake well at least you americans have guns
12:54 pankkake around here mostly cops and military
12:55 nubbins` even the cops weren't allowed to carry guns here until recently
12:55 nubbins` well. rcmp always had sidearms
12:55 pankkake most of ours cops don't either
12:55 nubbins` rnc had shotguns that they had to keep locked in the trunks of their cars
12:55 pankkake but they probably have access to them
12:55 nubbins` they all have sidearms now too
12:56 nubbins` would rather deal with rnc than rcmp any day
12:56 nubbins` the mounties are pricks
12:56 nubbins` from coast to coastr
12:57 nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident
12:57 nubbins` first example that comes to mind
12:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
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13:14 mircea_popescu anyway, all the "survivalist" crap understood as "o hey i store dried beans and ammo rounds" is nonsense
13:14 mircea_popescu survivalism means, keeping a large enough group of determined individuals, who once govt collapses move in to take over
13:15 mircea_popescu seek out and execute all law enforcement of any type, hang all political representatives of the old stystem in the town square and leave them there to be eaten by the crows
13:15 mircea_popescu then get the people to come up with a new constitution and so forth.
13:15 deadweasel we should do this every year.
13:15 mircea_popescu in practical terms, becoming an enforcer in your local drug trade is much more survivalistic
13:15 mircea_popescu than storing some beans.
13:15 asciilifeform the 'survival' folks aren't all preparing for the same scenario.
13:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform regardless, they WILL all live the same scenario.
13:16 mircea_popescu either they're the new power or they're the new cows.
13:16 mircea_popescu i guess once you've decided you shall be the cow it may make sense to try and ensure you're a particularly milky one.
13:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00080752 = 1.5747 BTC [+]
13:17 mircea_popescu but generally, survival means getting quite well used to the idea that you will be killing for all sorts of reasons
13:17 mircea_popescu and for no reason at all.
13:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: 'enforcers:' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/08/how-not-to-organize-community.html
13:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03697998 = 0.3698 BTC [+] {4}
13:18 jcpham i'm ready for urvival mode i think
13:18 jcpham definitely mentally and emotionally
13:21 jurov` oh, how did you prepare mentally?
13:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Just as one would expect, the invisible hand of the market fails to make itself visible, but it is plain to see that fuel is no longer delivered to either of these communities, although in the second one some fuel is likely to still be available on the black market, at prices that very few people can afford."
13:22 mircea_popescu can't tell if trolling or retarded quite to the degree ?
13:22 jcpham jurov`
13:22 jcpham damn keys
13:22 jcpham i'd say i'm mentally prepared from a lifetimeof bullshit
13:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sounds like an accurate description - the caviar sold in the warsaw ghetto right up to demolition day, etc.
13:23 mircea_popescu by the invisible hand ...
13:23 asciilifeform by many inefficient little hands.
13:23 mircea_popescu but he just claimed it fails to make itself visible...
13:24 asciilifeform he is referring, i think, to the american belief that 'market' can provide for ad infinitum continuation of 'business as usual.'
13:24 mircea_popescu well that'd be retarded i guess.
13:25 mircea_popescu the invisible hand doth not denote this hand that'll do what you bid it do.
13:25 mircea_popescu it doth denote instead this hand which will beat you until you do what it bids you.
13:25 asciilifeform it's been phrased as 'invisible tentacle, rapes well.'
13:26 mircea_popescu Unaccustomed to operating outside the law and having few connections with the criminal underworld, they are slow to penetrate the black market, which now offers the only way to obtain many necessary items, such as food, cooking fuel and medicines, including the items that had been previously looted from their own stockpiles. Worse yet, they once again become estranged from one another: their acquaintances and friendshi
13:26 mircea_popescu ps were formed within a peaceful, civilized, law-abiding mode of social behavior. When they are forced to turn to scavenging, outright theft and looting, prostitution, black market dealing and consorting with criminals, they can no longer recognize in each other the people they knew before, and the laboriously synthesized community again dissolves into nuclear families.
13:26 mircea_popescu ahaha NUCLEAR FAMILIES
13:26 mircea_popescu holy shit.
13:26 asciilifeform and sometimes 'what do you want me to do? ... no mr. bond, we expect you to die!'
13:26 mircea_popescu is baby jesus going to come back too ?
13:26 mircea_popescu no nuclear famblies ye morons. married men are dead men.
13:28 mircea_popescu " The children, who are already in the habit of roaming the streets in gangs and harassing and mugging strangers, now come to serve as the community's early warning system in case of an organized incursion."
13:28 deadweasel ^ how so? because they're families drag-ass, get them killed?
13:28 mircea_popescu he gets that part right. children always were humanity's dispensable test pod.
13:28 asciilifeform there ought to be a way to organize the african child soldiers meeting american children.
13:28 asciilifeform 'cultural exchange!'
13:29 mircea_popescu deadweasel because they care about more shit than normal people.
13:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lemme grep the log.
13:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2013#335779
13:30 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
13:31 mircea_popescu "A safe and congenial environment for you and your children is obviously very nice, much better than trying to survive among social predators." ummm.... we just went through why it's very very bad. wtf is with this guy.
13:33 asciilifeform well, being a turkey is nice, except for that one day
13:33 mircea_popescu i fail to see it. it's not nice throughout.
13:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15159992 BTC [-]
13:33 asciilifeform nice from the livestock perspective.
13:33 mircea_popescu so is he here speaking as livestock or as not livestock ? i get confused.
13:33 mircea_popescu perhaps so does he.
13:34 asciilifeform afaik, his attempt (recently concluded) was to preach to the livestock
13:34 Venat man I need to fucking kill somebody
13:34 asciilifeform he wrote it off, as a waste of time
13:34 mircea_popescu The current way of changing the rules involves lobbying, deliberation, legislation and litigation—time-consuming, expensive activities for which there will be neither the time nor the resources. There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems
13:34 mircea_popescu dude totally should look into bitcoin
13:34 mircea_popescu preferably starting with my comments as to what bitcoin court
13:34 asciilifeform people occasionally ask orlov about btc
13:34 mircea_popescu oops i mean bitbet
13:34 asciilifeform he replies 'no mains power, no btc'
13:35 asciilifeform you should tell him about slavecoin-over-shortwave.
13:35 nubbins` wait, you mean we need infrastructure for btc to work?
13:35 mircea_popescu why ?
13:35 nubbins` next you'll be telling me that computers are required too
13:35 mircea_popescu nubbins` amusingly, neither is the case.
13:35 asciilifeform nubbins`: good news! they aren't...
13:36 deadweasel There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems
13:36 deadweasel that is the issue in US
13:36 mircea_popescu deadweasel bitbet just decomplexified court proceedings by abourt 9 layers.
13:36 nubbins` hm
13:37 nubbins` blockchain chain letters?
13:37 mircea_popescu bitbet did the same to a number of different processes, even if teh community has not quite grasped how
13:37 nubbins` enlighten me here
13:37 mircea_popescu nubbins` anything the computer do you can do, by hand
13:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to the livestock, a court that can't have them shot isn't a 'real court' quite yet.
13:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the guy with "his" 10 btc onfiscated seemed pretty shot.
13:38 asciilifeform still ambling about as zombie, though.
13:38 asciilifeform who will put him to rest?
13:38 mircea_popescu anyway, if you think about it, bitbet isn't "a betting site". bitbet is bitcoi ncourt, which is to say a quick and flexible system to resolve disputes.
13:38 nubbins` well yes, obv it can be done by hand. is that feasible?
13:38 mircea_popescu nubbins` anything is feasible to the hungry.
13:39 pankkake hard to prevent double spend
13:39 mircea_popescu pankkake why ?
13:39 nubbins` you find a hungry person who can transcribe a 16gb blockchain to paper
13:39 nubbins` and i'll be impressed
13:39 mircea_popescu it wouldn't be 16gb
13:39 pankkake let's say you give him a tx or even a private key to pay the guy
13:39 asciilifeform pankkake: this is where the shortwave comes in.
13:39 mircea_popescu pankkake will have to be hashed.
13:39 mircea_popescu just like today's mining.
13:40 nubbins` how many H/s can the average hungry person perform?
13:40 nubbins` seems like we're talking possible vs probable here
13:40 pankkake yes, but the time to spread the info will be very long
13:40 asciilifeform picture Curta calculator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curta) for sha...
13:40 mircea_popescu tbh, it will probably be the case that the new ipos wioll be all about "mining slide rule" producers
13:40 pankkake bitcoin relies on spreading blocks and txs quickly to everyone
13:40 mircea_popescu "quickly".
13:41 mircea_popescu that's meaningless. "as quickly as feasible". if there's no internet that quckly slows down
13:41 mircea_popescu but it remains quickly.
13:41 asciilifeform btc sans electric is more or less Hawala.
13:41 pankkake anyway the no internet/no computers thing is silly
13:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, mechanical calculators and hashing ftw.
13:41 nubbins` pankkake, it's but a solar flare away
13:41 mircea_popescu pankkake just because you happen to be culturally immersed in the computers-and-internet thing
13:42 pankkake no, the thing is, remove computers, you kill a lot of much more important stuff
13:42 nubbins` i dunno guys, if there's no more power grids, i don't think people are going to start constructing babbage machines
13:42 thestringpuller mircea_popescu that's the most brilliant idea yet!
13:42 thestringpuller a mechanical hash miner!
13:42 thestringpuller babbage machine for the bitcoin world!!!!
13:42 mircea_popescu yup.
13:42 asciilifeform nubbins`: no general-purpose crunchers, sure. but there are people sitting on crates of soviet valves. there will be radio.
13:43 mircea_popescu nubbins` depends which people.
13:43 thestringpuller that would be good in the bitcoin museum of awesomeness
13:43 nubbins` more realistic is a herbert-style setup where the rich have rooms full of slaves performing calcs
13:43 asciilifeform i started a mechanical sha design once.
13:43 mircea_popescu nubbins` hence the slavecoin he referenced way up
13:43 asciilifeform for no good reason.
13:43 nubbins` o look!
13:43 jcpham http://bitcoinscammers.com/
13:43 mircea_popescu it's been a private joke for a while this
13:43 nubbins` leel
13:43 ozbot Bitcoin Scammers & (Other Cryptocurrency Scammers)
13:43 mircea_popescu not particularly novel.
13:43 jcpham idk wtf that is
13:44 Venat noob question: What happens to the TX Fee?
13:44 jcpham bu there are non scam sites on it
13:44 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcDshWmhF4A
13:44 ozbot Marble adding machine - YouTube
13:44 pankkake every bitcoin website is in it
13:44 jcpham oooohhhh
13:44 mircea_popescu Venat goes to the miner that mines it
13:44 BingoBoingo So... a jury upheld that public key crypto patent http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/jury-newegg-infringes-spangenberg-patent-must-pay-2-3-million/
13:45 mircea_popescu lmao
13:45 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is there a way to airgap a machine, but still communicate with mpex?
13:45 mircea_popescu thestringpuller sure. at the worst copy the gpg blurb by hand to another machine
13:45 nubbins` tx fee = a meal
13:46 deadweasel fuckin A patents trolls.... how could they?
13:46 mircea_popescu otherwise, use a qr gun, or an acoustic modem or anything
13:46 mircea_popescu deadweasel jury = idiots.
13:46 nubbins` couple of old printer/scanner combos
13:46 deadweasel ah
13:46 nubbins` any number of ways
13:46 deadweasel even a witness that says "I BUILT THIS TWO YEARS BEFORE" doesn't cu tit?
13:46 deadweasel cut it?
13:46 deadweasel que tits!
13:46 pankkake see u tits
13:47 deadweasel cute tits, nubs.
13:47 Venat mircea_popescu, so I can mine transactions?
13:47 nubbins` http://woodgears.ca/marbleadd/build.html
13:47 ozbot The marble adding machine
13:47 mircea_popescu venat when you mine a new block, you can include any number of txs in it.
13:47 thestringpuller all the txs fees in that block go to the miner
13:47 mircea_popescu the 25 block reward along with any btc that was input in those tx but not output (ioe, the fees) you keep
13:47 thestringpuller who mined it
13:49 Venat thanks for clearing that up :)
13:49 pankkake http://www.france24.com/en/20131126-french-drug-dealer-sent-80000-euros-tax-bill
13:49 ozbot French drug dealer sent tax bill on estimated income - FRANCE - FRANCE 24
13:49 pankkake now they "estimate" your income :o
13:49 nubbins` now that's progressive
13:50 mircea_popescu anyway, it's getting quashed on appeal.
13:50 nubbins` y'know, there was a canadian guy who had a multi-million dollar marijuana seed selling business
13:50 nubbins` he paid hefty taxes each year, wrote "marijuana seed vendor" on all his returns
13:50 nubbins` nobody really seemed to mind
13:51 nubbins` then the rcmp arrested him and extradited him to the usa, a country in which he had never been, and there he sits in prison
13:52 mircea_popescu heh
13:52 nubbins` obvious implication is that you can expect to get deported to riyadh if you mail a porno mag there
13:52 nubbins` wait, it's not "deported"
13:52 nubbins` i guess just "sent"
13:52 mircea_popescu only if you live in a shitty country to which you souldn't be paying taxes anyway
13:52 pankkake "invited for a holiday"?
13:52 nubbins` well, look what happened to the guy who did pay taxes!
13:53 nubbins` until this extradition and imprisonment, do you know what was the biggest punishment for selling marijuana seeds in canadian history?
13:53 nubbins` a $200 fine
13:53 nubbins` pankkake: you can refuse invitations
13:53 mircea_popescu if he didn't pay his taxes at least he could still be a vory.
13:53 asciilifeform 'doesn't extradite to u.s.' is almost the very definition of sovereignty.
13:54 nubbins` no canadian sovereignty under conservative rule
14:07 davout pankkake: priceless shit is priceless
14:08 pankkake which one?
14:08 davout france24
14:18 deadweasel ;;ticker
14:18 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 894.00001, Best ask: 895.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.99999, Last trade: 894.00001, 24 hour volume: 32027.83208414, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 847.7564
14:25 pankkake ;;ticker
14:25 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 902.5311, Best ask: 902.57412, Bid-ask spread: 0.04302, Last trade: 902.5311, 24 hour volume: 33033.66530043, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 900.9, 24 hour vwap: 849.37664
14:25 pankkake we have lift off, destination $M00N
14:33 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3724619#msg3724619
14:33 ozbot BitBet Scammed me for 10 BTC (properly formatted)
14:33 mircea_popescu pankkake mike_c deadweasel davout it pains me to see you have been demoted
14:33 mircea_popescu consequently your pay grade has been lowered from tenured to mere associates
14:33 pankkake I don't know what "associates" actually means
14:33 mircea_popescu didn't we go through this recently ? like a lecturer
14:34 mike_c no tenure? bullshit.
14:34 mike_c i quit :)
14:34 mircea_popescu lol
14:34 deadweasel shit, now I have to pay you then!
14:35 mircea_popescu pls send 10 btc to the usual address.
14:35 deadweasel lol
14:37 deadweasel wow, that demotion was ripe for trolling. thanks!
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4157777 = 0.8316 BTC [-]
14:38 davout i haven't been demoted
14:39 davout as a matter of fact i have two reports made by pankakke that i should handle diligently
14:39 davout i'm only mod in the french section
14:39 mircea_popescu davout is like, tired and srs.
14:40 davout moderating the french is srs business
14:40 mircea_popescu hehe
14:40 davout i should ask for pankkake to be modded, he does the work of reporting, i hit delete thread, and i get paid xD
14:41 pankkake yeah, I already said how unfair it is
14:41 pankkake but I definitively don't want to be a mod
14:41 mircea_popescu if you mod him he's going to do all sorts of unconscionable stuff
14:41 nubbins` covers printed!
14:41 nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/zfXpC
14:41 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
14:41 nubbins` my first time using black paper. very nice
14:41 pankkake I've been moderator a few times elsewhere, never abused it
14:41 davout it's like it would stick out on btctalk
14:41 pankkake but the thing is, people then expect you to behave
14:41 pankkake and it SUCKS
14:42 mircea_popescu deadweasel is that a tiger and a monsanto chicken in your avatar ?
14:42 davout make it a routine, spend at least 10 minutes a day crushing these lovely expectations
14:42 nubbins` ;;ticker --market all
14:43 nubbins` c'mon gribs, don't leave me hanging
14:43 gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 940.0, vol: 35185.04603883 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 877.91, vol: 33329.11379630 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 869.8, vol: 33929.22801 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 899.99, vol: 7450.24206635 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 822.0, vol: 313.86130455 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 875.544063, vol: 40810.02500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 890.887785158
14:43 assbot 123!
14:43 deadweasel must be, mp. that monsanto chicken is looking mythical
14:43 mike_c nubbins, did you know you are a competitor of the bitbet retard? http://pirateprintingcompany.com/
14:43 altoz ;; bids 0
14:43 gribble There are currently 11164181 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 38053035.3219 USD in total. | Data vintage: 124.5105 seconds
14:43 nubbins` competitor implies threat
14:43 deadweasel oh yeah! forgot to tell you nubbs!
14:43 altoz ;; asks 9999999999
14:43 gribble There are currently 17323.799 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999999.0 USD, worth 239506812.86 USD in total. | Data vintage: 134.7923 seconds
14:43 deadweasel he is t-shirt guy
14:44 mike_c no way, as soon as he fixes this: "I don't have the resources or expertise to build such a thing right now" you are in trouble.
14:44 nubbins` all i see is free clipart and a lousy 5-min snowden stencil
14:44 nubbins` well, i shouldn't be so hard on them
14:44 deadweasel lol
14:44 pankkake does he even accept bitcoin?
14:45 mike_c free lolz: http://pirateprintingcompany.com/blogs/whynot
14:45 mike_c he doesn't have that part figured out yet
14:45 mike_c maybe mp's post will help
14:45 nubbins` so he's released the btc logo to the public domain, that's nice of him
14:46 nubbins` anyway, selling stuff like this via website only is a mug's game
14:47 nubbins` printing is a pavement-pounding business
14:47 nubbins` unless you're threadless or busted tees
14:48 cazalla i don't understand why anyone would wear a bitcoin t-shirt
14:48 cazalla if i'm a criminal, i'm following you home
14:48 nubbins` really?
14:48 mike_c see asciilifeform's previous link. you shouldn't be advertising your stockpiles
14:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.39289504 = 3.5361 BTC [-] {3}
14:48 nubbins` wearing a three-piece suit is advertising a stockpile.
14:48 pankkake or just steal the smartphone
14:48 nubbins` dining at a fancy restaurant is advertising a stockpile.
14:48 mike_c hah. well, mp doesn't agree with that book
14:49 nubbins` driving an SUV is advertising a stockpile.
14:49 mike_c no, because suv is useless post-apocalypse
14:49 cazalla i can't steal you SUV as effectively as i can steal your bitcoins
14:49 nubbins` wearing a BTC t-shirt is advertising the fact that you're a nerd
14:49 mike_c ham in the basement (or btc) is not
14:49 pankkake aren't SUV just cheap big cars for people who can't drive?
14:50 nubbins` no, they're cars so assholes can stop having to tell people that they're assholes
14:50 nubbins` and it can just be assumed
14:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37000002 BTC [-]
14:50 mircea_popescu lmao
14:50 ThickAsThieves hmm why the rally
14:50 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
14:50 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 940.2, Best ask: 942.5, Bid-ask spread: 2.30000, Last trade: 940.2, 24 hour volume: 35503.67066914, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 947.0, 24 hour vwap: 855.98308
14:50 nubbins` my roommate @ $410: "i'm going to sell half of my bitcoins when the price doubles"
14:50 mircea_popescu reinventing the wheel, two years later. what can possibly go wrong ?
14:51 nubbins` my roommate @ $820: "nevermind"
14:51 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves because bugpowder wasn't here in a while going on about the past five minutes ?
14:51 mike_c i don't trust the price when we get this far ahead of the chinese
14:51 mike_c ;;premium btcn mtgox
14:51 gribble Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -7.58578947368 %.
14:52 thestringpuller http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/ - better get in on the action soon if this happens
14:52 cazalla looks like chinese have been buying ritecoin on btc-e
14:52 pankkake are they sleeping?
14:52 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: bets sent after the trigger of the resolution are discarded, if I recall correctly?
14:52 pankkake thestringpuller: and donate to the shareholders? :)
14:52 mike_c distributed as dividends
14:53 pankkake actually, they are refunded with 1% fee
14:53 pankkake as long as the bet is still open
14:53 mircea_popescu thestringpuller if the bet is not closed they get refunded
14:55 mircea_popescu wow namecoin still exists ?
14:55 mircea_popescu i thought it had died (again)
14:55 mircea_popescu and speaking of the deadpool, anyone ehard anything of the bitcoin foundation lately ?
14:56 nubbins` i only recognize the bitcoin authority, the foundation is a sham
14:57 pankkake namecoin had a silly bug but it's fixed
14:57 pankkake no one still actually uses it :(
14:59 mike_c i don't understand why the gox trading lag jumps from "2 seconds" to "35 minutes"
15:00 nubbins` because bouncy balls instead of chairs
15:00 mike_c it can't be two strings and a can, that's bitstamp.
15:00 mike_c er, two cans and a string :)
15:00 nubbins` hahaha
15:00 nubbins` "i can't hear you" "pull the can tighter"
15:00 mike_c hehe
15:00 ThickAsThieves forum quote of the day "Not to mention that the only thing pre-orders leave you with is a dick in your mouth."
15:00 nubbins` lel
15:02 mike_c my favorite bash, it seems to be lagging. upvote! http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=5
15:03 thestringpuller ;;ticker
15:03 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 922.0, Best ask: 924.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 921.16, 24 hour volume: 36586.58496110, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 950.0, 24 hour vwap: 858.58179
15:03 nubbins` http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=18
15:03 ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash
15:03 nubbins` heh
15:07 mod6 ;;bc,stats
15:07 gribble Current Blocks: 271653 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 506 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693111945.529 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.72135
15:14 nubbins` i gave my dad half a bitcoin for his birthday back in august
15:14 nubbins` kinda set the bar a bit high, my mom's birthday is tomorrow ;(
15:15 pankkake give her a quarter of bitcoin, tell her she had to be born earlier
15:15 nubbins` ha, there ya go
15:16 blastbob i have saved 1 BTC each of my closest friends
15:16 deadweasel Give her none, she already has your fathers
15:16 nubbins` deadweasel has it figured out
15:16 blastbob so when i ask them for joining me on a vacation and they say i cannot afford it
15:16 blastbob i pull the btc card
15:16 blastbob :P
15:17 nubbins` ha
15:17 deadweasel don't pull it for 10 years, travel to MPs moonbase where pleasurebots pleasure you while the masses toil at manual hashing.
15:17 nubbins` nice
15:17 nubbins` would rather the bots toil and the masses pleasure me tbh
15:17 mike_c not us deadweasel, we're associates.
15:17 mike_c no manual hashing for us
15:18 nubbins` it's what, < 300 btc to go to space?
15:18 mike_c holy shit. yeah.
15:18 thestringpuller i think it's like 250
15:18 thestringpuller i think
15:18 mod6 lol sweet
15:18 mircea_popescu who. who does not want to wear the pleasures.
15:18 deadweasel 294
15:18 nubbins` yeah between 250-300 depending on rate
15:19 nubbins` mircea_popescu: robots don't belong on dicks
15:19 nubbins` too much to go wrong
15:19 mircea_popescu would you rather have a welt or aids ?
15:19 mike_c with badbios floating around, you just can't trust those robots anymore
15:19 nubbins` those are my only options?!
15:19 mircea_popescu it's badbios not badbutts tho
15:19 pankkake never tried a fleshlight. does it really work?
15:20 deadweasel yes, I don't recall fondly my teenage daliance with a pool intake pipe.... dicks should not go in there, lest they never come out.
15:20 nubbins` pankkake: in the sense that fucking anything soft will work, i'd imagine
15:20 mircea_popescu pankkake i recall a bukkake scene where one fo the guys couldn't cum on the girl
15:20 nubbins` pankkake: just roll a slice of bologna around your dick and squat it between two mattresses
15:20 mircea_popescu so eventually he got some plastic blender thing, did it in that
15:20 mircea_popescu then dutifully poured it on her
15:20 mircea_popescu i laughed my ass off
15:20 nubbins` lel
15:20 mircea_popescu fucking surreal.
15:20 nubbins` CV: "can only cum in blenders"
15:21 deadweasel i think the food-network picked him up for an upcoming late night series.
15:21 nubbins` now that's the sort of guy who would choose the pleasurebot
15:21 mircea_popescu as the wanker culture spreads, it'll prolly be rare for people to fuck anyway
15:22 nubbins` shame
15:22 deadweasel already occuring in japan, elsewhere.
15:22 deadweasel un-interested in sex
15:22 deadweasel http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/10/22/celibacy_syndrome_in_japan_why_aren_t_young_people_interested_in_sex_or.html
15:22 ozbot Celibacy syndrome in Japan: Why aren't young people interested in sex or relationships?
15:23 nubbins` just taking a stab here, unimaginable levels of social pressure and stress?
15:23 pankkake actually way too many pornos have guys that can't cum
15:23 pankkake it's annoying
15:23 mircea_popescu well for the japanese sex is hard work
15:23 mircea_popescu all that nutty bondage and whatnot
15:23 nubbins` pankkake: like the guys who go "HRRRRRRR NNNNRRRRRGGGGHHHH" and like 5cc dribbles out?
15:23 mircea_popescu pankkake you couldn't cum too if you styuck a needle in your penis
15:23 pankkake thankfully my favorite porn source has the tag "female.completion"
15:23 nubbins` and they have to milk their dicks like empty toothpaste tubes to even get that much?
15:24 mircea_popescu http://cdn.collarme.com/photos/1738663p10.jpg
15:24 ThickAsThieves for your new outfit?
15:25 pankkake is that appealing to foot fetishists? i like the shoe design though
15:25 mircea_popescu i was thinking hashslave uniform
15:25 ThickAsThieves can it even be walked in
15:26 ThickAsThieves looks like you;d need to keep your toes pointing out to keep the form
15:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3614 = 0.7228 BTC [-]
15:26 ThickAsThieves i guess she can scoot along
15:26 nubbins` you'd be surprised how well people can get around on crazy shoes
15:26 mircea_popescu ^
15:26 mircea_popescu she'll walk just fine once the options are well structured.
15:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6534 @ 0.00008256 = 0.5394 BTC [-] {14}
15:27 nubbins` like the uh, what are those japanese ones called
15:27 nubbins` geta or something
15:27 nubbins` i've seen people RUN on cobblestones wearing those
15:28 deadweasel stop chasing them, someone could get hurt.
15:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10247 @ 0.00007156 = 0.7333 BTC [-] {38}
15:28 nubbins` nah, when i chase people, i generally don't notice their footwear
15:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3769 @ 0.00006794 = 0.2561 BTC [-] {15}
15:29 nubbins` http://www.buyrumballs.com/images/067%20Geta%2002.jpg
15:30 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgA6k-16Oj4
15:30 ozbot Japanese man runs Honolulu Marathon 2009 in wooden shoes - YouTube
15:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36130002 BTC [-]
15:30 nubbins` hm actually shit video, don't bother
15:32 deadweasel no worries, at work, can't risk nsfw in here.
15:32 deadweasel when richard branson clad with naked woman flying a surf kite plastered across my 24" screen yesterday, I decideed no more links at work....
15:33 deadweasel great pic tho
15:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00353316 = 1.7666 BTC [-] {10}
15:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.003511 = 0.1756 BTC [-] {2}
15:50 bVector if I place a bet on bitbet and it gets rejected, will my funding transaction get refunded?
15:50 pankkake if you bet while it is still open, it will be refunded
15:50 pankkake minus 1%
15:51 pankkake in case you bet after the fact
15:51 pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/ I guess? :)
15:51 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
15:51 bVector just saw the return transaction
15:55 Venat All mistakes are easy to make if one's not particularly trying to avoid making mistakes. You could drive your car into the garage door, for instance.
15:55 Venat roflmao
15:55 mike_c anyone have experience (or opinion) with a good fire-resistant safe?
15:56 mircea_popescu bVector your zeroconf ? yes, always.
15:56 asciilifeform mike_c: a garden.
15:57 mike_c hehe, not this.
15:57 mike_c http://www.gardensafe.com/
15:57 ozbot Garden Safe - Effective Pest Control Solutions for Your Home & Garden | Garden Safe
15:57 asciilifeform mike_c: no, just earth.
15:57 asciilifeform not flammable, last i checked.
15:57 mike_c tougher for urban dwellers
15:58 mircea_popescu mike_c no, but i have something about water resistance : http://nypost.com/2012/11/18/billions-in-bearer-bonds-could-be-lost-due-to-hurricane-sandy-sources/
15:58 bVector mike_c: someone else's garden
15:58 mike_c are you guys serious? like, you would bury your paper backup?
15:58 mircea_popescu print it on plastic.
15:58 mircea_popescu or laminate the paper sheet
15:59 pankkake carve it
15:59 mircea_popescu in bronze
15:59 mircea_popescu but srsly mike_c, safes are a bad idea for holding valuables.
16:00 mike_c i'm not thinking for burglar protection, just fire/water. i mean, what do you guys actually do? carve the backup in bronze and bury it?
16:00 asciilifeform photo etch on a circuit board substrate. $100 of chemical junk suffices. lasts for millenia, good up to 5-600C maybe.
16:00 mike_c hehe
16:01 mircea_popescu stuff of that nature.
16:01 bVector ehh copper isnt the best for corrosion
16:01 mike_c crazy. ok, i'll re-think.
16:01 mircea_popescu a good solution is to gpg it and publish it for instance.
16:01 asciilifeform it will corrode but won't come off the board.
16:02 mike_c ah, now that's a good idea
16:02 mike_c thanks
16:02 mircea_popescu mike_c the reason the girl keeps saying "six months to a year" is quite this : so much shit needs pondering.
16:02 mircea_popescu it's not directly obvious just how much.
16:02 asciilifeform copper can also be electroplated, with damn near anything.
16:02 asciilifeform palladium, if you like.
16:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [+]
16:03 mircea_popescu for the record : bronze is the most stable material in general use, by a far margin
16:03 mircea_popescu long after the places where cities stood could no longer even be inferred by radiation measurements,
16:03 mircea_popescu bronze statues will be largely unchanged.
16:03 asciilifeform Au would be the champ though
16:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well sure, or some custom carbides, or diamond.
16:04 FabianB_ looks like bitcoincharts.com got hardware upgrades
16:05 mircea_popescu niceness.
16:06 mike_c of course, to securely gpg it i would need a high-quality rng.. where could i get one of those i wonder.
16:07 mike_c ascii, back to work! ;)
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16:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.00080893 = 12.9113 BTC [+] {2}
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16:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 40 @ 0.0732525 = 2.9301 BTC [-] {2}
16:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00351 = 0.2282 BTC [-] {2}
~ 35 minutes ~
17:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.03300006 = 0.792 BTC [-] {3}
17:23 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
17:23 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 953.50001, Best ask: 961.89, Bid-ask spread: 8.38999, Last trade: 953.50001, 24 hour volume: 34400.68269534, 24 hour low: 805.22, 24 hour high: 964.0, 24 hour vwap: 881.34339
17:23 ThickAsThieves ;;bids 0
17:23 gribble There are currently 11099116 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37185831.9505 USD in total. | Data vintage: 89.0914 seconds
17:27 thestringpuller ;;ticker
17:27 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 956.0, Best ask: 956.00001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 960.0, 24 hour volume: 34310.53027401, 24 hour low: 805.22, 24 hour high: 964.0, 24 hour vwap: 881.8094
17:28 thestringpuller ;;market buy 1000
17:28 gribble A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 971019.0300 USD and would take the last price up to 979.3258 USD, resulting in an average price of 971.0190 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0586 seconds
17:28 thestringpuller ;;market buy 10000
17:28 gribble A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 10835810.7480 USD and would take the last price up to 1247.1139 USD, resulting in an average price of 1083.5811 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 1.3082 seconds
17:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]
17:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
17:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1000 @ 0.00011106 = 0.1111 BTC [+] {3}
17:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1380 @ 0.00011253 = 0.1553 BTC [+] {4}
17:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2654 @ 0.00008888 = 0.2359 BTC [+] {2}
17:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.369952 = 10.3587 BTC [-] {2}
18:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [+]
18:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [+]
18:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.41404541 = 4.5545 BTC [+] {6}
18:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03687699 = 0.3688 BTC [+] {3}
18:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 27 @ 0.0369822 = 0.9985 BTC [+] {4}
18:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.037 = 0.555 BTC [+]
18:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12520 @ 0.0000725 = 0.9077 BTC [-] {2}
18:31 pankkake BFL is doing a black friday discount
18:31 pankkake lel
18:34 ThickAsThieves Guys! BFL miners are 25% off on Black Friday!
18:35 ThickAsThieves lol
18:35 ThickAsThieves i should scroll before typing
18:36 pankkake we are on the same spam list :)
18:38 wao-ender :D
18:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00080945 = 0.9713 BTC [+]
18:45 dexX7 lol :D
18:45 jurov` i'd prefer clay tablets for bearer bonds. gold, bronze, etc. is at risk of being repurposed to scrap metal
18:45 jurov` babylonians knew their stuff
18:48 jurov` http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/fashion/Washington-DC-has-thriving-gay-lesbian-and-transgender-population.html
18:49 jurov` if anyone wonders what the usg are doing
18:49 jurov` moar gay couples than in manhattan
18:52 BingoBoingo jurov`: Probably clay encased in some sort of acrylic to provide shatter resistance.
18:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4099 = 0.8198 BTC [-]
19:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]
19:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.002125 = 0.2061 BTC [+]
~ 25 minutes ~
19:36 does havelock have an actice IRC?
19:36 active*
19:37 pankkake #HavelockInvestments
19:38 pankkake: thanks
19:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.15040133 = 2.4064 BTC [-] {5}
19:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.40861633 = 1.2258 BTC [-] {2}
19:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00369984 = 0.777 BTC [+] {2}
~ 17 minutes ~
20:07 nubbins` hi
20:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409849 BTC [+]
~ 26 minutes ~
20:47 BingoBoingo Can anyone spot RealSolid related drama I forgot to include? http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/26/cycles-repeat-themselves-mcxnow/
20:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0036999 = 0.148 BTC [+]
20:48 dub heh
20:48 dub dude is a fucking retard
20:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38133333 = 1.144 BTC [-] {2}
20:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00352642 = 0.134 BTC [-] {8}
~ 20 minutes ~
21:11 Kleeck http://betherave.com/2013/11/sexiest-twerk-choreography-ever/
21:12 ozbot Sexiest Twerk Choreography... Ever?
21:12 Diablo-D3 ;;ticker
21:12 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 936.45263, Best ask: 942.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.54737, Last trade: 936.45263, 24 hour volume: 32945.59376249, 24 hour low: 826.123, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 904.23405
21:26 Diablo-D3 dat high
21:26 Diablo-D3 ;;ticker
21:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00350001 = 0.581 BTC [-] {5}
21:26 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 936.001, Best ask: 939.9999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99890, Last trade: 940.0, 24 hour volume: 33022.71606789, 24 hour low: 826.123, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 904.55003
21:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 721 @ 0.00017586 = 0.1268 BTC [+] {8}
21:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03658999 = 0.3659 BTC [+]
21:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.034501 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}
~ 56 minutes ~
22:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4070 @ 0.00008 = 0.3256 BTC [-] {2}
~ 37 minutes ~
23:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.03500285 = 0.245 BTC [+] {4}
23:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.035 = 0.14 BTC [-]
23:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.00196399 = 0.2985 BTC [-] {2}
23:29 truffles ;;ticker
23:29 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 964.51001, Best ask: 974.995, Bid-ask spread: 10.48499, Last trade: 964.51001, 24 hour volume: 32131.71552694, 24 hour low: 845.60001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 913.82817
23:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.001964 = 0.1925 BTC [+]
~ 20 minutes ~
23:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.001964 = 0.5008 BTC [+]
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