03:40 |
spyked |
in spyked updates: feedbot-iii is scheduled to be published this week, followed by schedule for next work, followed by (by now late) pics from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-06#1907055 |
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03:40 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-06 05:08 spyked is off into the mountains |
03:45 |
spyked |
meanwhile, asciilifeform's lappie arrived last week, I'ma encuntooate it soon. I expect it'll be a bit of a challenge to compile on 1GB of RAM: cuntoo bootstrapping sadly requires building gcc-5, which iirc asks for more than that. either way, I'ma put this on the list as the next item to document. |
03:46 |
spyked |
and in http://trilema.com/2019/the-egeszsegfejlesztesi-pont/#selection-153.0-158.0 lulz <-- /me was looking for more photos of this wonderful town, stumbled upon http://archive.is/cXfL7 ; notbad trolling |
03:48 |
spyked |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-17#1908775 <-- I also signed pre-keccak chs 1-5 and will resign upon reread |
03:48 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-17 16:24 asciilifeform: unrelatedly : phf , iirc you signed a coupla ch of ffa prior to the keccak regrind. didja ever sign the reground chs ? |
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10:01 |
asciilifeform |
spyked: iirc that box eats commonplace lappy so-dimm |
10:02 |
asciilifeform |
circa 2010 or so. visit the flea market. |
10:02 |
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asciilifeform sadly did not happen to have any of the requisite type, or would've put in |
10:08 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: will set up your refueling today. |
10:21 |
diana_coman |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909210 -> now I get it why asciilifeform doesn't play computer games anymoar - can't compete with real trash pandas! |
10:21 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-21 23:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile nailed 1st 'trash panda' of this spring. head popped like melon, eyes ejected. |
10:21 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
10:22 |
diana_coman |
I had only one instance of a crow-eating-eyes-out-of-roadkill-hedgehog but I was sadly in a hurry and by the time I came back there was no trace of it left |
10:22 |
asciilifeform |
i nealy asked 'why wouldja shoot a hedgehog' but then reread lol |
10:23 |
diana_coman |
I actually like hedgehogs but if it didn't have enough brain to roam the gardens only... |
10:25 |
asciilifeform |
diana_coman: iirc we had thrd re 'trash panda' ; picture aggressive 20kg rat, eats e.g. cat, tunnels through drywall, w/out breaking a sweat |
10:27 |
asciilifeform |
with opposable thumb (!) opens rubbish bins, even turns door knobs |
10:27 |
diana_coman |
ugh; I hate rats as it is, no need for bigger ones; that being said, I can already picture the euloran "stan's layr" complete with lumber-electronics a la http://ossasepia.com/2018/06/26/euloras-own-cr50/ and weird rats/trash pandas to fight for resources. |
10:28 |
asciilifeform |
heh |
10:28 |
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asciilifeform brb:tea |
10:28 |
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diana_coman will dive back into euloran client entrails |
10:29 |
spyked |
asciilifeform, unfortunately 2GB (max. supported by motherboard) might still not be enuff. ideally I would plug in ave1 gnat build and use it to build a minimal system, but will prolly have to bootstrap the whole thing on another machine. |
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10:29 |
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spyked will cross that bridge when he comes to it |
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11:02 |
asciilifeform |
spyked: i admit that i still dunget why it needs the gcc5 step |
11:03 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. i was able to build conventional gentoo ( per my old recipe ) w/out any such thing in the mix |
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11:03 |
asciilifeform |
incl. for a 2gb rk box |
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12:02 |
trinque |
reason is in the logs. |
12:03 |
trinque |
your traditional recipe is not on musl |
12:03 |
asciilifeform |
indeed it wasnt |
12:03 |
trinque |
if somebody finds a way of leaping directly from gcc6 to 4, I'll applaud him, but I'm not burning any more hours of life in there |
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12:03 |
asciilifeform |
!#s from:trinque gcc5 |
12:03 |
a111 |
2 results for "from:trinque gcc5", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Atrinque%20gcc5 |
12:04 |
asciilifeform |
hm |
12:04 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: do you perchance have the thread handy |
12:04 |
trinque |
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757349 |
12:04 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-12-23 04:39 trinque: I just ran over here, build craps out of gcc-4 with "cannot create executables" |
12:05 |
asciilifeform |
ty |
12:05 |
trinque |
no prob |
12:06 |
trinque |
what I'd *really* like is a binary-reproducible gcc of any stripe, and to create an official image from that, have others duplicate |
12:09 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: as i understand , orig problem is that the stage3 shipped a gcc6 ? |
12:11 |
asciilifeform |
( and that no one had baked a musl stage3 that could be worked from that had <5 ? ) |
12:11 |
trinque |
http://distfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/amd64/musl/ << yep, they purge them pretty aggressively |
12:13 |
asciilifeform |
i was able to bake a musl 'busybox' linux for pogo in '15, but admittedly this was not a gentoo |
12:13 |
asciilifeform |
but seems like oughta be doable for a gentoo |
12:13 |
asciilifeform |
( i.e. w/ gcc4.9 ) |
12:15 |
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asciilifeform really must dust off the old notes and try this with own hands; the presence of gcc5 in the build bothers asciilifeform not only from 'practical' but from thompsonistic pov |
12:15 |
trinque |
why not gcc3 or 2 then? where'd the thompson come in? |
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12:16 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: speaking moar from concrete than theoretical pov -- gcc5 has documented 'optimizations' that remove bounds checks |
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12:16 |
trinque |
anyhow, my project here was to take a snapshot of a working gentoo musl, i.e. a snapshot of the work of others. I intentally kept myself out of the chain of custody of all deps. |
12:17 |
trinque |
*intentionally |
12:17 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: makes sense |
12:17 |
trinque |
it does not mean that all must e.g. not substitute their own gcc. it just means that this ground, however undesirable, will not be lost like every other time I said "eh gonna go install another gentoo" |
12:18 |
trinque |
in fact, now that caught, repair *should* commence. gcc is the best first thing to fix. |
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12:18 |
asciilifeform |
has anyone attempted to build the whole orchestra on ave1's gcc ? |
12:19 |
trinque |
his gcc does not build upon musl, so I have not. prodded him a few times about getting his to run on a musl box. |
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12:19 |
asciilifeform |
hm. |
12:19 |
asciilifeform |
seems like that there's the 1st item to fix. |
12:20 |
trinque |
would be great to see ave1 take this on, and then perhaps get deterministic bins. could cut official ISOs from there |
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12:20 |
asciilifeform |
!#seen ave1 |
12:20 |
a111 |
2019-02-19 <ave1> Btw asciilifeform, I had to switch my cheap NFS account to a more expensive one as php 5.6 is no longer supported in their new setup. I expect that sometime, at the end of this year, 5.6 will also disappear from "production" sites. |
12:20 |
asciilifeform |
ugh, lost at sea?! |
12:27 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: ty, generally people are back to work now that "semana de tourismo" has come to an end |
12:28 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: refuel scheduled, nao waiting' for the traditional telephonic tea ceremony from bank etc |
12:29 |
BingoBoingo |
[black-thumbsup-emoji] |
12:31 |
BingoBoingo |
And the locals now want to ban the last cowboysport left in the Country over two dead horses https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/jineteadas-una-tradicion-apoyada-por-el-estado-en-jaque-tras-las-muertes-de-caballos-en-el-ruedo-2019421201657 |
12:32 |
asciilifeform |
lol, is this the usual 'ohnoez, what if a legate from clintonistan sees a dead horse!111' ? |
12:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Las Jineteadas are like bullriding, except bulls are sacred cattle here so instead they piss off some horses and proceed from the bullriding premise |
12:33 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: The tards started their appeal to INAU, the agency for child and adolescent matters |
12:33 |
BingoBoingo |
"Stink of the Children!" |
12:34 |
asciilifeform |
wtf |
12:35 |
PeterL |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909210 << are you shooting the raccoons with a SKS, or am I mistakenly mixing these log lines together? |
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12:35 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-21 23:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile nailed 1st 'trash panda' of this spring. head popped like melon, eyes ejected. |
12:35 |
lobbesbot |
PeterL: Sent 1 day, 16 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <billymg> yup, if you want the patch that fixes svg image links you can grab mp-wp_update-image-references-to-svg from here http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= - although i recommend going for the latest patch on that page |
12:35 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: lolno |
12:36 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: unrelated threads. |
12:36 |
PeterL |
ah, ok |
12:36 |
BingoBoingo |
The old women are upset so they say "bad for children" just like in old country. And new mayor of Montevideo hasn't even been on the job for a whole month. |
12:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Air gun kills trash pandas |
12:37 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: in city , can't use anyffin that can be heard even from across street |
12:38 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: the sks comment was re mp's budapest 'changing of the guard' photo |
12:38 |
asciilifeform |
where there was a d00d in old-style austrohungarian uniform but with old sovok rifle |
12:39 |
PeterL |
well, SKS is a pretty riffle when it is shiny |
12:39 |
asciilifeform |
dunno where you will see a shiny one, outside of museum |
12:39 |
BingoBoingo |
I've seen the chicoms chrome them for honor guards |
12:39 |
asciilifeform |
item dates to late '40s |
12:40 |
PeterL |
I was in a gun store in 2010, they had an SKS for $120, but I didn't get it, wish I did, now they run about $450 around here |
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12:40 |
asciilifeform |
at 1 time, they were sold in usa for next to nuffin, aha |
12:40 |
BingoBoingo |
And the Yugos chrome the inside of the barrels |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i thought this was standard, from end of ww2 to present day |
12:40 |
PeterL |
I thought it was everybody but yugo's chrome the barrel? |
12:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe I got it flipped |
12:41 |
PeterL |
yugos are the ones who added a grenade launcher to the end |
12:41 |
BingoBoingo |
But pretty rifle for hunting deer sized animals |
12:41 |
BingoBoingo |
AH |
12:41 |
asciilifeform |
iirc sovok was 1st to chrome inside , they carried on using corrosive hg-based primer in shell long past when others quit |
12:48 |
PeterL |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-18#1909077 << I always picture arrays going left-to-right or top-to-bottom, like you would see if you tell a computer "for x in my_array: print x" |
12:48 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-04-18 22:15 mod6: I try to keep it in my mind that this is an ~array~ of words. And in my head, arrays grow left to right. Or bottom up. |
12:51 |
PeterL |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902839 << Am I the only one who wears jeans here? I find them comfortable and they are sturdy, good for getting work done. |
12:51 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-03-15 13:12 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902694 -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner; and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness; how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea. |
13:01 |
BingoBoingo |
I don't much anymore. Towels coming out of the wash buckets dry faster than jeans. |
13:02 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: here's an old asciilifeform crackpottery : why exactly can't one buy clothes dryer that runs on vacuum pump, instead of heater. |
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13:02 |
asciilifeform |
easily 10x less current for same result, and no moar firehazard etc. |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
( every dry anyffin under vacuum ? ) |
13:03 |
PeterL |
can you run vacuum pump on natural gas? |
13:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Same reason you can't get borosilicate in the US outside of flea markets, drugwar. |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
lol whythefuq |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: why wouldja want to run the pump on gas?! |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
no electric service where you live ? |
13:03 |
PeterL |
well, my dryer runs on gas |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
rright cuz otherwise it'd eat 5kw |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
but it only takes ~100w for perhaps ~hour to draw a coupla buckets' sized vacuum |
13:05 |
asciilifeform |
granted you need a reasonably thick and airtight pot for this |
13:06 |
PeterL |
I think you are underestimating the power that you would need for this |
13:06 |
PeterL |
you don't just have to get the vacuum, you also have to vaporize the water |
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13:07 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose you'd still have to supply the 23kj/kg or what was the heat of enthalpy |
13:08 |
asciilifeform |
imho would still be useful tho, to have a suitcase-sized item that can wash and dry a single shirt.. |
13:09 |
PeterL |
I run about 10 loads of wash a week, I don't want something that only handles one T-shirt at a time |
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13:09 |
asciilifeform |
err 2.3 |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: thinking moar re travel applications |
13:15 |
BingoBoingo |
I've got a clothing fork on the balcony that holds quite a bit, but denim just doesn't seem to dry completely before dew falls i the night and gets it wet again. |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i have neighbours who use clotheslines; the prob is that these ~dunwork ~atall over here 4-5 months of year |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
( i.e. what you hang out, gets wetter, not dryer ) |
13:19 |
BingoBoingo |
I get the sun and wind. Even somewhat sheltered from most rain. More wind can be summoned with the heat pump too. For just about everything except demin it works. |
13:23 |
asciilifeform |
here of course also 'sun and wind'. but + also swamp. |
13:25 |
BingoBoingo |
AHA |
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16:17 |
BingoBoingo |
In other olds becoming news Rodrigo of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840381 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847576 sent me a message out of the blue inquiring how the business is going. |
16:17 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-08-08 17:01 BingoBoingo: In other happy news, ben_vulpes may appreciate... Rodrigo is no longer with Latecho |
16:17 |
a111 |
Logged on 2018-09-04 16:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone. |
16:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Follow up: Wants to know if anyone is hiring, informed him a couple datacenter places in Sao Paulo appear to be growing fast. |
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18:46 |
feedbot |
http://qntra.net/2019/04/in-us-capital-pro-maduro-protestors-march-against-guaido-at-embassy/ << Qntra -- In US Capital Pro-Maduro Protestors March Against Guaid At Embassy |
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19:34 |
billymg |
!!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 3 |
19:34 |
deedbot |
Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zuwx6/?raw=true |
19:35 |
billymg |
!!v A0A1E9E4A6069710E3C0A84C4B1FF28C8C80D34AB32168F05E18DAF79D85CCBD |
19:35 |
deedbot |
billymg paid BingoBoingo invoice 3 |