#trilema | 2019-04-01

!!up OriansJ

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OriansJ voiced for 30 minutes.

03:37

OriansJ is the stage0 author, please up him upon request

03:38

OriansJ, you can register a GPG key with deedbot (http://deedbot.org/help.html), i'll rate you and you'll be able to up yourself.

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to give you a short introduction, people from this place have developed FG TRNG (http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html), V versioning system (http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=v), Eulora MMORPG (http://ossasepia.com/), maintain a btc reference node

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started pizarro isp (http://pizarroisp.net/), and wrote FFA crypto library, in case you wondered what 'FFA style' from my investigation report was: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3141 - vpatch + a write-up for helping fitting-in-head the code

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!!key OriansJ

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Not registered.

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09:51

!!up OriansJ

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OriansJ voiced for 30 minutes.

09:51

last chance, lol, ima be off in a few hours.

09:59

nsh (~lol@wikipedia/nsh) has joined #trilema << https://pastebin.com/d0ni33Hx in other keks

10:00

who knew the proverbial heninger spawn actually ran off with alf's coinage, made themselves the secret pubescent fortress!!

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asciilifeform forgot where he stole it, but it was old

10:01

well, either you stole it from ye olde "futurist" dorks, or else they from you.

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actually i think it was from a now-forgotten crackpot us candidate

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did he run on "upgraded with the times" ~free silver platform ?

10:03

david icke.

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i thouht that dood was english

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possibly

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was he running for uk presidency ?

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hrm loox to be moar complicated, saw it via some derp, iirc, who was running for us congress, and cited icke.

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ah

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well okthen

10:05

( went, approx., 'evil martians invaded and rule' )

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in other noose, asciilifeform nao has what appears to be full pinout, timing, bus sequence, register, init magic, interrupts, etc. spec for bolix 'ivory' (won't, presently, say from where, unless source wants to be cited, plox to write in. )

10:09

will have a torture board baked at some pt, with socket . but prolly not till later summer at earliest.

10:17

at some pt, possibly earlier, will re-type the thing for publication, but i dun have a nicoleci , so may take a while .

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-01#1906457 << ~indecipherable rubbish..

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Logged on 2019-04-01 13:59 mircea_popescu: nsh (~lol@wikipedia/nsh) has joined #trilema << https://pastebin.com/d0ni33Hx in other keks

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10:51

asciilifeform, o wow, that sums to almost a workable test harness!

10:51

asciilifeform, also, you're not expected to understand the arcane wisdom of "lizards hq".

10:58

in other lulz, eulora's client complaint that it can't find "reteprelieum" font was caused by the fact that the font-file was called reteprellum while all code (xml! scripts! scriptable!!!) said reteprelieum; now in fairness the font is horrid so it's better it was wrong.

10:59

that lizard hq is boring.

11:07

hahaha

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take it out.

11:10

diana_coman, how could it not be, a buncha idle virgin bois derping about "convincing pretense" as to adulthood and whatnot. if it weren't boring as fuck the problem of hiring schoolteachers would be merely difficult, rather than plain impossible.

11:14

guess so re derping hq; re fonts, I took that mess of a font out, yes; anyway, this was just on the side while stripping down the "login" window of useless password etc.

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mircea_popescu: it's 100% enuff for a test harness ( thing even has a handy arse port from which it shits microcode instr. in realtime as it runs )

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asciilifeform impressed by some of the details , apparently thing not only had internal & external ecc for all memory, but iron ecc logger

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could correct 1bit flips and detect+retry 2bit

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or, e.g., accessed memory via a separate iron sequencer, which queued reads/writes and spread between up to 4 separate memories ( ride 1 while the others busy , making the best of slow '80s drams )

11:23

afaik this is item that today's x86crud ~still~ dunhave in any reasonably working form

11:25

not bad.

11:25

this explains an otherwise strange find of asciilifeform's : that there apparently was a small run of (possibly saphire) 'ivories' for orbit market

11:25

arch, turns out , was inherently suitable for high-rad

11:25

asciilifeform, i always thought it's the HEIGHT of insanity that if i buy 4 banks of 16gb ram i don't get 4x faster ram access.

11:25

ikr!

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IF that worked right, THEN (and only then) "all boards come with 4 banks" or "cheaper boards - 2 banks" would have made sense

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as it is... wtf, make 5, 19, whatever. it's just serial amnyway.

11:27

the bolix people actually did Right Thing -- ran multiphase clock and in fact 'put in 4? get 2x faster ram'

11:28

apparently this is why http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-28#1890392 and why the item next to it is an iron (mil spec..) multi-tap delayline

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Logged on 2019-01-28 01:21 asciilifeform: for extra mindfuck : the primary xtal in the bolix ( valpey-fisher vf155 ) is a <1ppm txco.

11:29

they didn't have programmable pll yet, so they birthed the multiphase the old-fashioned, analogue way. hence temp-controlled .

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in other wtf's, apparently thing had knob for manually controlling the cache prefetcher. sumthing asciilifeform previously thought had 1st appeared in opteron, in '07...

11:33

so, not quite 'atari', and in coupla moar ways than asciilifeform previously suspected..

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Logged on 2018-12-20 00:45 mircea_popescu: this is no proof. but it does inform what is, for all of us, a reasonable suspicion. you think you have reason to suspect bolix is more notable than atari.

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arguably the real puzzler, is , where the fuck did all of this go when co folded ? did they shoot all the designers ? ( clearly not ~all~, e.g. weinreb even lived to '12 or so , had blog )

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and answr is not , evidently, 'patent purgatory', they folded prior to getting to patent ~any of it

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( there are afaik 2 bolix patents -- 1 , ancient, on the orig. 'l' arch, of 1980-82; other -- on some peculiarity of the video console )

11:37

there must've been some wagner/cyanide in the bolix fuhrerbunker when folded, presently can't think of why else none of the tech had any later life

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-01#1906478 << i had to read 3x before saw anyffin other than 'reptilarium' , lol !

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Logged on 2019-04-01 14:58 diana_coman: in other lulz, eulora's client complaint that it can't find "reteprelieum" font was caused by the fact that the font-file was called reteprellum while all code (xml! scripts! scriptable!!!) said reteprelieum; now in fairness the font is horrid so it's better it was wrong.

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ahahah, reptilarium sounds even better!

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diana_coman: at some pt we're prolly doomed to bake a proper font renderer

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( trivial if fixed-width font, but i suspect that not errybody is willing to jettison variable font just yet )

12:49

that sounds like a farawy problem still, plenty of headaches before getting there as far as I can see.

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anyway, client is supposed to be up to players really so they can have it with any horrid font they want

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indeed. i can think of a coupla potential proggies that call for it, tho ( 'tmsr browser' ; hypothetical replacement for emacs ; etc )

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in particular, 'truetype' has been on the Must Die list for many yrs

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( a multi-MB and massively crufty mil+ loc of c liquishit, with 0day published erry quarter or so, for ~decade nao )

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diana_coman: unless i'm mistaken , presently there is only diana_coman's client , iirc

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feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) March 2019 Report

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asciilifeform: well, "my client" in the sense that I'm the only one cleaning it up basically

15:35

iirc jurov had an attempt at a text-only client

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anyway, fonts are not a big concern atm

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15:53

And the pay for your plastic bags rule is now live!

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!!invoice spyked 0.015 postage for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-29#1906075 crate (expect it in ~2wks)

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Logged on 2019-03-29 14:07 asciilifeform: spyked: ty for the ping , item got literally buried under pile of papers. dug it up nao , and i'ma post it tomorrow morning.

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Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gnw6E/?raw=true

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!!v 07399D261EB52BA137744F5CA6E658A5A2AFE005C4273AB2E57AD91438CF6486

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Invoiced spyked 0.015 << postage for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-29#1906075 crate (expect it in ~2wks)

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diana_coman: re client -- makes sense

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diana_coman: bags where ?

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asciilifeform: The local supermarkets, delis, etc. Bags are now 4 pesos each.

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None of the locals wanted this, and their democracy gave it to the hard.

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https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/por-tres-meses-comercios-te-cobraran-por-un-producto-que-no-te-dan-20194173530

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BingoBoingo: we had this here for years. ( and on top of it -- they give you the kind of bag where 1 potato will fall through in <5min )

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I acquired two sample bags of the new type today. They appear substantially stronger, with a more uniform quality than the old type which were potato droppers with inconsistently cut handles.

17:47

I'm wondering about the aesthetic impact this is going to have since no more free trash bags with grocery purchase.

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