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00:11 mircea_popescu can just deploy it neh ? written already.
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00:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880830 << afaik satellites meanwhile were chinesium'd. "oh, it is broken ? launch another one".
00:30 a111 Logged on 2018-12-14 19:33 asciilifeform: reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built.
00:30 mircea_popescu it all started with the gps -- there, MUST have multiple sats for multiple positions. but "if there -- everywhere", so now the method is "just launch seven".
00:31 mircea_popescu what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris,"
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00:31 mircea_popescu because "people" aren't a thing, it's a catchall phrase including anything and everything, and mostly nothing by mass.
00:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880841 << if you do, follow hygiene correctly. xraying not unlike ye olde metal foundry technician's job.
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00:35 a111 Logged on 2018-12-14 22:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools
00:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880848 << honestly taking the dram out of it entirely major simplificatory cut of great gain.
00:36 a111 Logged on 2018-12-14 22:53 asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram )
00:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
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00:39 a111 Logged on 2018-12-14 22:58 asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this )
00:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880867 << dude just how junkwars are you gonna get lmao. there's a special die, similar in principle, but diff materials, wtf.
00:41 a111 Logged on 2018-12-15 00:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..
00:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you'd want to coat it in luminophore, prolly
00:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880896 << i figure 100metre of 1/d^2 oughta suffice
00:54 a111 Logged on 2018-12-15 05:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880841 << if you do, follow hygiene correctly. xraying not unlike ye olde metal foundry technician's job.
00:55 * asciilifeform has a sort of outhouse, for such work
00:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880900 << i won't even be esp. disappointed if result is that the sitters-on-tapes pull heads out of collective arse and post the goods
00:56 a111 Logged on 2018-12-15 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
00:57 mircea_popescu do me a favour and read "x ray hygiene" as a thing, it's not a one liner.
01:00 asciilifeform there's the keV vs mm of xyz penetration curve etc.
01:01 mircea_popescu there's also the what to discard, what not to have in there at all (yes there's such a thing as xray mirror, also some plastics are no good, and so on).
01:01 asciilifeform grazing-incidence mirror aha
01:02 mircea_popescu right.
01:02 asciilifeform ( the only kind there is, in that spectrum, sadly, or we'd have microscope )
01:02 mircea_popescu it's a thing. when you're going "meh, ima use a dental kit" you're being one kinda lulzy. when you're going "a-ha, ima make xray out of old tv tube and camera sensor" you're being ANOTHER kind.
01:03 asciilifeform my particular setup ( and yes have 1 from ~last~ time this came up ) has somewhat opposite problem of 'shoot self and bystanders' -- it aint a dental kit, but surplus tube the size of finger, orig . was used to measure thickness of au on glass sinter
01:03 mircea_popescu no need for another curie.
01:04 mircea_popescu or w/e, golania.
01:04 asciilifeform i.e. barely detectable output, will need relatively long exposure.
01:04 mircea_popescu !#s goiania incident
01:04 a111 0 results for "goiania incident", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=goiania%20incident
01:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was in trilema piece
01:04 mircea_popescu no fucking way, we so keked at the blue jool powder
01:04 mircea_popescu aaa right.
01:04 asciilifeform the co-60 brazilians.
01:05 mircea_popescu right ? buncha moron/anal princesses discovered the ultimate precious stones.
01:05 mircea_popescu true harccore glitter.
01:06 asciilifeform if they'd watched it glitter from 100m, would've lived, lol
01:06 mircea_popescu ya well.
01:13 asciilifeform btw gedankenexperiment -- given patience, and a rigid, immovable photo subject (e.g. pcb) , can take radiogram... without tube. ( sun. a la the 'erase uv eprom without eraser' method ) . by my napkin calc, 8 or so months of film cassette on rooftop oughta produce an image..
01:14 mircea_popescu yeah, totally what you want is 8 months sunbathing for your bolix.
01:14 asciilifeform not given as practical how-to, but 'could or could not'
01:15 mircea_popescu (you don't have detectors that fine, you'll get 8 months' worth of noise. but anyway.)
01:16 asciilifeform what detectors. photopaper in sealed metallic pouch.
01:16 mircea_popescu it's not fine enough.
01:16 asciilifeform ( believe or not, this is an actual problem for folx keeping stockpile of photopaper, it fogs even without 'sunbathe' , from background gamma . which is likely why scheme wouldn't work.)
01:16 mircea_popescu yes, but ~fogs~.
01:18 asciilifeform suppose cassette sat in trough of pb, 2cm or so in thickness. ( i.e. only path for photon onto paper, is through the $object )
01:20 asciilifeform on 2nd thought, will still produce rubbish, from those very same grazing reflects.
01:21 asciilifeform you'd need a 'shadow mask', like in ye olde crt !
01:21 asciilifeform 'game not worth candles' .
01:22 * asciilifeform bbl
01:23 mircea_popescu that thickness will filter out signal.
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11:20 mircea_popescu aaand just in case anyone was missing these, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0NV4h/?raw=true
11:28 BingoBoingo Awe
11:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: approx what % pass the 'omfg it's cut off' litmus ?
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12:26 feedbot http://qntra.net/2018/12/reports-anti-macron-french-increasingly-compliant-as-tyrants-gendarmies-intensify-anti-civilian-violence/ << Qntra -- Reports: Anti-Macron French Increasingly Compliant As Tyrant's Gendarmies Intensify anti-Civilian Violence
12:34 mircea_popescu not 10%. >90% of them about evenly split between the indolent imbecility of silence and aggressive stupidity of the "wut".
12:38 mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dcTLv/?raw=true << sample "makes it". they do exist, just, the english speaking world readily approximates as a small townstead drowned in an ocean's worth of inexplicably voluble & outspoken krill.
12:40 BingoBoingo Damn "passed time" time stamping. Though for a second there was a 51 year old cuck involved
12:41 mircea_popescu i expect it's another dazed twenty-something.
12:41 mircea_popescu this whole "mate within age group" thing the anglos got going is really hurting them.
12:49 BingoBoingo And everyone else buying it
12:59 asciilifeform 'I come along with a cuck' 'I'm marrying him' << lol!!
13:03 mircea_popescu i think her situation is rather typical.
13:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880894 << thinking of this and the whole sns/hp nonstop etc thing : i suspect a large chunk of the way things went may be driven by a (naive, and not necessarily spoken) "what if machine becomes sentient and you cant' turn it off" phobia.
13:04 a111 Logged on 2018-12-15 05:31 mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris,"
13:05 mircea_popescu it's certainly evident in period napkin notations (because yes, stuff like asimov's productions are "the napkin doodles of scientific work") ; and strictly speaking there is exactly no difference between "sentient machine" and "metastable strange". that's exactly what sentience fucking is, metastable strange.
13:05 mircea_popescu look at the fetlife girls as the finest example.
13:07 mircea_popescu this may then explain "insane" choices such as boggle naggum.
13:07 mircea_popescu Ask him why he thinks he should be able to get away with unsafe code, core dumps, viruses, buffer overruns, undetected errors, etc, just because he wants “speed”. << "i asked him, he shrugged his shoulders and went 'well, at least my machine won't fucking take over the world.'"
13:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can't say i have ever encountered this phobia outside of the yudkowsky/reddit/etc weirdos
13:08 mircea_popescu or "i, robot".
13:08 asciilifeform in order to suffer from it, afaik it is necessary to have never worked at any length with actual comp.
13:09 mircea_popescu or the foundation. or everywhere you turn in the 70s literate production.
13:09 mircea_popescu guess what -- people in the 70s hadn't.
13:09 asciilifeform rright, mostly yarns by folx who pre-dated microcomp.
13:09 mircea_popescu but last night's fairytales inform this morning's breakfast design!
13:10 asciilifeform it's rather like to say 'sailors, they fear krakens' 'mmno? what century yer posting from?'
13:10 mircea_popescu i thought we previously agreed last time any actual design work went into computing the year was 1979
13:11 asciilifeform moar like '89
13:11 mircea_popescu btw, you ever met one of those athletes who never changed their socks this month
13:11 mircea_popescu because complex superstition ?
13:11 asciilifeform i thought it was mostly pokerists, and shirts rather than socks
13:11 mircea_popescu there's a lot of variety out there, "i have a cuck, i'm marrying him" doesn't even top the scale.
13:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's all sorts. specifically included, "thinking" folk.
13:12 * asciilifeform under no illusion that said specimen 'tops scale'
13:12 mircea_popescu i've yet to encounter, this fabled wonder of the ages, the thinking man.
13:12 asciilifeform people think (if at all) 'part-time'
13:13 asciilifeform sorta how i've met runners, even competition-grade ones, but they did not run all day, erry day, to kitchen, to toilet, etc
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13:13 mircea_popescu precisely. i have regular bowel movements that do not tend to interfere with my daily life ; but even so i still spend most of the day doing other things.
13:14 asciilifeform exactly like-so
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16:12 feedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=106 << Bimbo.Club -- TMSR Log Summary - 11/23/2018
~ 2 hours 37 minutes ~
18:50 asciilifeform in other noose, phf , mircea_popescu , et al, the bolix is here. dks packs a++ , princely, all parts on manifest , and kilometre of bubbles. will post photos as soon as i wrap up my albatross of this week, ch14
18:50 mircea_popescu cool
18:51 asciilifeform ( this makes for ~3~ original bolix cd sets in asciilifeform's torture room. anybody in l1 want one ? )
18:52 asciilifeform thing also came complete with a bolix-encharactered 1980s crapple kbd.
18:52 asciilifeform and the infamous 1button mouse
18:53 asciilifeform ( it also came with the nic, so i'ma run it through x11. but will keep these around for later http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-19#449479 )
18:53 a111 Logged on 2014-01-19 19:38 asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'
18:54 asciilifeform d00d even gives '30 day guarantee', which is quite atypical for museum irons.
19:03 * asciilifeform smoke-tested just nao; runs...
19:09 asciilifeform clock, interestingly, set.
19:09 * asciilifeform wonders where dks gets the oddball bios batteries the ancient crapples took
19:15 phf neat, did you get crapple way ahead, or had it from before?
19:15 asciilifeform phf: came as complete kit
19:16 asciilifeform for 4k orcbux it'd better, lol
19:16 asciilifeform ( iirc the crapple box per se is worth about a hundy on junkmarkets )
19:21 phf ah, huh, he's an experienced showman, could've probably sold as a board, without anything else and still fetched the same price
19:21 asciilifeform interestingly nobody but asciilifeform bid
19:22 asciilifeform possibly i'm the last archaeologist who didn't have 1 yet, lol
19:23 phf or it was always the same 5 people bidding
19:23 asciilifeform already missed 1 last yr for, iirc, 3k, didn't want to wait until it's 5,6,9000 (or entirely extinct)
19:25 asciilifeform phf: damned if i know. in as far as i can tell, the entire 'user komyoonity' consists of asciilifeform , phf, and a dozen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 's
19:25 a111 Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
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19:27 phf asciilifeform, that's entirely my impression. the xl that i bought went at asking price, because ^ wasn't bidding, the rest of them were bought by the same guy, and he was bidding against a handful of desperados. i suspect that the whole thing was a fluke, or rather the Rembrandt market was a combination of luck and skill on the part of dks
19:28 trinque wahahah "completed: made some icons"
19:28 asciilifeform i suspect it's moar like the high prices of illicit cell pnoje in jail. i.e. not high because megatonnes of money circulating, but because supply so thin.
19:29 asciilifeform iirc in early 2000s, 'american express' unplugged its bolix cluster ( handled fraud detection thingie ) , and surplussed coupla hundred machines. wonder where they went.
19:30 asciilifeform couldn't have all gone to the au recyclers, i dun think.
19:32 asciilifeform for comparison, http://www.lispmachine.net/symbolics.txt is identical to the document i got from dks in '07. quotes 3.2k for the exact box i uncrated today.
19:34 phf i bought a barely used eizo cg243w from a russian guy. it was one of his last possessions (no work and didn't want to become a "corporate whore"), and he talked about how quality of everything went down and keeps going down and that you really only can trust 2009 hardware at the latest. i wonder if there are more people like that hoarding their prized bolix, but without yet hitting the necessity to sell one.
19:34 asciilifeform phf: i got 1 of those here, lol
19:34 asciilifeform a+++ panel
19:35 asciilifeform phf: quite possibly, hoarders
19:36 asciilifeform also so happens also that the most recent piece of iron in the torture room , excluding FG, is from '09. ( the opterons in the box i'm sitting on nao. )
19:36 asciilifeform well, also excluding ssd
19:37 * asciilifeform possibly has laboratory instrument from later date, but can't immediately think which specifically
19:38 phf well, he's not wrong
19:38 asciilifeform imho moar or less exactly right.
19:39 asciilifeform trinque: 'lisp engineer' (picture) is simply the most publicly-egregious example i know of . prolly there are others, similar, but with fewer lolcatpics
19:41 asciilifeform at one time i actually went through his entire www, thinking to find even 1 shot of PAL/GAL with the sticker off, to identify the part. found 0.
19:43 phf i think he took a bunch of macro photos of random parts, and wrote a zmachine version 0 emulators, which in itself can be noted, if the rest of it wasn't so obnoxious
19:43 asciilifeform he wrote something ?! i had nfi
19:44 asciilifeform he reminds me of that kanzure d00d, who 'look, i spent $2mil on microscope parts' 'so what didja micrograph?' '...'
19:46 asciilifeform asciilifeform's purchase of 3620 back in the day may've been a dead end, but at least only wasted a handful of posts on subj.
19:46 asciilifeform ( and also didn't pompously 'lisp engineer' title blog... )
19:46 mircea_popescu some dead ends take walking to eliminate.
19:46 asciilifeform sure do.
19:47 mircea_popescu qatar eminent example, nothing one ~said~ could've done it.
19:47 phf asciilifeform, https://github.com/LispEngineer/genera-src/tree/master/gczm and https://github.com/LispEngineer/genera-patches
19:47 phf (there are some other hacks in genera-src, but i don't want to investigate at the moment)
19:48 asciilifeform phf: the 2nd link contains dks patches
19:49 asciilifeform the 1st, lol, port of 'zork' to bolix...
19:49 asciilifeform iguess that's sumthing.
19:49 asciilifeform ( at the very least, is moar than i've written for it )
19:49 phf asciilifeform, yeah i just included the patches in case there's something interesting there (i don't know what the overlap of patchsets is between machines)
19:53 asciilifeform funny how this thing boots faster than 'modern' microshits.
19:54 asciilifeform ( 3620 was approx on part with winblowz for boot time )
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22:04 mircea_popescu meanwhile in heathen lulz, "Unity Web Player games are no longer playable on Chrome, Firefox, or Edge browsers."
22:04 mircea_popescu what the fuck are they thinking, keks.
~ 23 minutes ~
22:28 asciilifeform wassat?
~ 43 minutes ~
23:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "unity" was a wanna-be proprietary alt-flash.
23:18 mircea_popescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Technologies << vaguely interesting to the entomologist, i guess. 100% vaporware, shit never worked nor was it ever useful. yet for reasons unclear it received the microsoft treatment, where usg.ibm started throwing money at it for no reason, rather than the http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ usual pump-and-dump scam treatment.
23:18 mircea_popescu ~why~ exactly the robohitler chose to act as if this piece of shit is "the future" for a decade starting cca 2010 is the faint interesting bit in here.
23:22 mircea_popescu and before "conspiracy theory", as in "they have a mailing list, http://qntra.net/2015/11/disgraced-gavin-of-global-warming-government-scaling-debate-moves-on-to-alt-kook/ style, talked it over there in secret and consensused to pick this" : the idiots s.mg forked legacy eulora codebase from also famously "decided to switch to unity".
23:23 mircea_popescu anyone with even cursory qualifications in software project management could have pointed out they have 0 chances of managing the switch before their chosen platform dies (they took 12+ years to fuck up the original codebase, glacial foss devcycles as only gnu can exemplify).
23:24 mircea_popescu so, dorks with no connections and no resources somehow nevertheless managed to schelling on this. why the fuck ? what ? cuz it's got a cube-like "icon" and 2010 was all about cube-like icons, gotta kubinetes on unity ?
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23:25 asciilifeform apparently yes had connections?
23:26 asciilifeform or how else.
23:26 asciilifeform or do they literally draw'em from hat.
23:27 mircea_popescu hm ?
23:27 asciilifeform in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881049
23:27 a111 Logged on 2018-12-16 04:24 mircea_popescu: so, dorks with no connections and no resources somehow nevertheless managed to schelling on this. why the fuck ? what ? cuz it's got a cube-like "icon" and 2010 was all about cube-like icons, gotta kubinetes on unity ?
23:28 asciilifeform evidently they're cousins of somebody or else. or else why picked by hitler.
23:28 mircea_popescu the idiots s.mg forked legacy eulora codebase from << this is a group of random morons, hardly together enough to find which side of the wall it's raining on.
23:28 asciilifeform a aaa
23:28 asciilifeform i misread , thought was re 'unity'
23:29 mircea_popescu no what i'm saying is : poor & stupid kids in peripheral village somehow picked same bit of entirely indistinct and utterly useless&dysfunctional flotsam as ibm.
23:29 asciilifeform btw 'unity' seems to be pestilentially common on the various 3dvisor boxen
23:29 mircea_popescu if this is the result of some kind of signalling, i'd like to know what the fuck.
23:31 mircea_popescu i suppose the question might be a little like "why are they all in flip flops, terrible design, utterly inconvenient, how the fuck is every dumbass on fetlife amange to pick em". ie, "pick nothing, it's what they had at the store. ALL they had at the store."
23:34 asciilifeform 'crossplatform lib'isms that even half-work (e.g. 'qt') end up wildly popular, on acct of how much sweat they save if condition 'must run on microshit AND crapple' is a given for $product
23:35 mircea_popescu yes, but qt is very fucking different from this unity thing.
23:35 asciilifeform they dun need to not suck to be taken up, only to suck less than the 'native' variant, which is surprisingly easy
23:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seems similar enuff in concept
23:35 mircea_popescu not at all. qt a) actually works and b) isn't going anywhere.
23:36 mircea_popescu unity is three dorks and a shoe string. not working, never will work, won't be here in another few years.
23:36 asciilifeform didnt nokia buy it? so ~could~ vanish
23:36 asciilifeform qt that is
23:36 mircea_popescu eh, qt will outlive nokia. like those old hydro plants in europe, went through 20+ "owners" that went bankrupt.
23:36 asciilifeform entirely possible
23:37 mircea_popescu which is my point here. you're comparing a hydro plant built on rhine cca 1880 with a franchised "fries on pizza!" extruded plastic truck
23:37 mircea_popescu that hydro plant is NEVER going anywhere. if there's 5000 people left total, it'll still run.
23:38 * asciilifeform wrote a fairly substantial ( tho unpublished and long ago retired ) proggy with qt, rewritten from wx; but never so much as touched 'unity'
23:38 mircea_popescu my point exactly.
23:38 mircea_popescu (let's take a moment for a libration in thanking the gods satoshi didn't fucking writer bitcoin in unity)
23:38 asciilifeform lol
23:38 mircea_popescu one bullet we dodged.
23:39 asciilifeform recall 'freenet' btw ?
23:39 asciilifeform notbad algo, but released in... java
23:39 asciilifeform so stillborn.
23:39 mircea_popescu myeah.
23:40 mircea_popescu but all this said, i see the "multiplatform" angle.
23:40 mircea_popescu qt is "not graphics friendly" so to speak.
23:41 asciilifeform qt ( of last i saw it ) had a thin shim for opengl but iirc hat was all the '3dism' offered therein
23:41 asciilifeform it's mostly used for ordinary boring guism, rather than game
23:42 mircea_popescu aha
23:44 asciilifeform ( phunphakt to tie this into prev thread -- seems as if the bolix 3d engine, 1 of the 1st to be sold as such, still exists as commercial product, owned by some jp firm. naturally cppized and renamed. )
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23:45 asciilifeform !#s mirai
23:45 a111 1 result for "mirai", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mirai
23:45 asciilifeform hm
23:45 asciilifeform possibly misspelled..
23:45 asciilifeform grr perhaps phf will recall when wakes up.
23:47 asciilifeform http://www.izware.com/mirai/ << subj.
23:59 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE << the most well-known item produced with subj, afaik
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