#trilema | 2017-09-21

00:29

http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=387 << "

00:29

"No!" I thought, "It wont be long and I wont be the only able-bodied man on the street with belted pants. How am I supposed to fend off this army of punks then?""

~ 16 minutes ~

00:45

deedbot

http://qntra.net/2017/09/trump-offers-earthquake-aid-to-mexico-after-mexico-renegs-on-hurricaine-aid-to-texas-terrorist-assault-on-saint-louis-continues/ << Qntra - Trump Offers Earthquake Aid To Mexico After Mexico Renegs on Hurricaine Aid To Texas; Terrorist Assault On Saint Louis Continues

~ 15 minutes ~

01:00

ben_vulpes

fall happened over the course of two days. i am pissed.

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01:03

lobbes

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716279 << I ended up going this route.

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01:03

a111

Logged on 2017-09-20 21:10 trinque: and sure, could bash script a loop that does exactly what you want, and then bash script your next service too. people do that. and then they generalize out the utils, and have a process manager of their own.

01:04

lobbes

Using this bash loop that is called on reboot. Spawns the bot process and tries to restart if it ends with exit code <> 0: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9osB5/?raw=true

01:14

lobbes

No more grepping process list and no more endless spawning, at least

~ 30 minutes ~

01:44

ben_vulpes

neato lobbes. ratchet of republican sapper can-do ratchets forward again...

~ 48 minutes ~

02:33

ben_vulpes

BingoBoingo: there's a section of the trump un address that's duplicated, last duped pp starts with "We cannot let a murderous"

~ 2 hours 7 minutes ~

04:41

00:29	BingoBoingo	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=387 << "
00:29	BingoBoingo	"No!" I thought, "It wont be long and I wont be the only able-bodied man on the street with belted pants. How am I supposed to fend off this army of punks then?""
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00:45	deedbot	http://qntra.net/2017/09/trump-offers-earthquake-aid-to-mexico-after-mexico-renegs-on-hurricaine-aid-to-texas-terrorist-assault-on-saint-louis-continues/ << Qntra - Trump Offers Earthquake Aid To Mexico After Mexico Renegs on Hurricaine Aid To Texas; Terrorist Assault On Saint Louis Continues
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01:00	ben_vulpes	fall happened over the course of two days. i am pissed.
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01:03	lobbes	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716279 << I ended up going this route.
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01:03	a111	Logged on 2017-09-20 21:10 trinque: and sure, could bash script a loop that does exactly what you want, and then bash script your next service too. people do that. and then they generalize out the utils, and have a process manager of their own.
01:04	lobbes	Using this bash loop that is called on reboot. Spawns the bot process and tries to restart if it ends with exit code <> 0: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9osB5/?raw=true
01:14	lobbes	No more grepping process list and no more endless spawning, at least
		~ 30 minutes ~
01:44	ben_vulpes	neato lobbes. ratchet of republican sapper can-do ratchets forward again...
		~ 48 minutes ~
02:33	ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: there's a section of the trump un address that's duplicated, last duped pp starts with "We cannot let a murderous"
		~ 2 hours 7 minutes ~
04:41	mircea_popescu	!!up gribble
04:41	deedbot	gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
04:41	mircea_popescu	;;tslb
04:41	gribble	Time since last block: 55 seconds
04:41	mircea_popescu	heh
04:41	mircea_popescu	teh network is disrupted to all hell fwiw.
		~ 34 minutes ~
05:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716526 << give to brother for me
05:16	a111	Logged on 2017-09-21 02:16 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/kings-bounty-a-knights-tale/ << Trilema - King's Bounty - A Knight's Tale
05:17	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716529 you recall teh "stanford trained psychologist" doing online diagnosis of "your vile" rite
05:17	a111	Logged on 2017-09-21 03:51 BingoBoingo: Naturally diagnosed by Social Mediaists
05:18	mircea_popescu	also is Hurricaine deliberate ?
05:18	mircea_popescu	by now i'm well caught in teh memeropes myself!
05:19	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716535 << it can't be winter in september wtf mang.
05:19	a111	Logged on 2017-09-21 05:00 ben_vulpes: fall happened over the course of two days. i am pissed.
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05:43	BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: ty fxd
05:44	BingoBoingo	ty mircea_popescu fxd
05:44	*	BingoBoingo does not remember the diagnosis
05:45	BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Maybe you picked the wrong mountainside? Need one tilted a bit more warmerly
05:53	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> teh network is disrupted to all hell fwiw. << On the plus side, most of the public facing trb identified nodes are back caught up to sync
05:53	mircea_popescu	well yeah, they knocked offline their own shitnode network lel
		~ 4 hours 7 minutes ~
10:01	asciilifeform	in other noose, https://urbit.org/blog/2017.9-eth ( cocksucker serves empty page to archive.is, and so http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k9AVu/?raw=true << plain txt ) urbit drops pretense of independent existence, merges with... ethertardium
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10:18	mats	https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/21/sp-cuts-chinas-credit-rating-citing-increasing-economic-financial-risks.html
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10:20	mod6	mornin'
10:20	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716562 << pretenses are expensive and mit is running out of marketable memorabilia
10:20	a111	Logged on 2017-09-21 14:01 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://urbit.org/blog/2017.9-eth ( cocksucker serves empty page to archive.is, and so http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k9AVu/?raw=true << plain txt ) urbit drops pretense of independent existence, merges with... ethertardium
10:20	mircea_popescu	heya mod6
10:21	mod6	<+mircea_popescu> teh network is disrupted to all hell fwiw. << looks like a series of really quick blocks 'eh?
10:22	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716563 << that's really the lolz of all fucking time. i suppose next arthur andersen is going to come back from the teenager afterlife to declare it hates its mom!!1
10:22	a111	Logged on 2017-09-21 14:18 mats: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/21/sp-cuts-chinas-credit-rating-citing-increasing-economic-financial-risks.html
10:22	mircea_popescu	mod6 it was re what mempool what nodes see sorta thing.
10:23	mod6	ahh! ok.
10:24	shinohai	!~tslb
10:24	jhvh1	shinohai: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 58 seconds
10:25	mod6	I was mostly referring to what was found in http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate , especially yesterday
10:26	mod6	well, not "yesterday" as much as starting around '486153'
10:30	mircea_popescu	aha
10:31	trinque	I had a node last night that was stuck a few hundred blocks back until restarted, then caught up quickly.
10:32	trinque	sync mechanism needs serious work
10:39	mircea_popescu	iirc ben_vulpes was saying something about mimisbrunnr being blackholed.
10:44	shinohai	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716186 <<< One often finds the finer luxuries of life in such establishments, no?
10:44	a111	Logged on 2017-09-20 19:40 mircea_popescu: and in other ways and means, i just bought a pile of primo cigars, presidents and romeo y juliets and whatnot at this... cathouse, basically.
10:46	shinohai	I should like to have one of these cigars and nice bottle of Pernod Fils to enjoy with it.
10:48	mircea_popescu	i dunno about them luxuries, it was kinda small...
10:54	shinohai	btw mircea_popescu, chic from last night said she received deposit and is email bombing me about "el dinero de los refugiados Venezolanos"
10:54	trinque	curious whether people's nodes are still receiving transactions and other protocol chatter while not receiving blocks; mine was, usually is.
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10:58	mircea_popescu	about what now ?!
10:58	mircea_popescu	trinque usually how it goes
11:04	mircea_popescu	the original conceptualization of the blocks/blockchain suffers from evident lack of experience ; the designer mind (constructively regarded, there was scarce design gone into the prototype) seems unaware of the actual order of priority of things, so what if blocks wait for txn etc.
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11:07	mircea_popescu	and in other random lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/70hpmr/core_is_100_responsible_for_the_recent_btc_turmoil/
11:19	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716586 << dulap ( While Supplies Last!1111 ) is current fwiw
11:19	a111	Logged on 2017-09-21 14:54 trinque: curious whether people's nodes are still receiving transactions and other protocol chatter while not receiving blocks; mine was, usually is.
11:19	trinque	not what I'm asking. my nodes are current at the moment too.
11:20	asciilifeform	and yes if it isn't stuck in verification blackhole, it'll be churning tx crapola
11:20	asciilifeform	this is ordinary
11:21	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716589 << it isn't merely a shit design, it's a shit implementation of the shit design.
11:21	a111	Logged on 2017-09-21 15:04 mircea_popescu: the original conceptualization of the blocks/blockchain suffers from evident lack of experience ; the designer mind (constructively regarded, there was scarce design gone into the prototype) seems unaware of the actual order of priority of things, so what if blocks wait for txn etc.
11:22	mircea_popescu	truth be told elements of original bitcoin suffered very much the same fate as human elements of the early bitcoin : on the long term, practice is a weighing machine
11:22	mircea_popescu	they got weighted.
11:24	asciilifeform	'Without Core sabotaging BTC by artificially imposing the block size limit, bitcoin would be much more widely used today. Heck, countries like Venezuela might even have everyday citizens really using it to buy bread, milk, toilet paper. Many African countries could use it too.' << lol!!
11:24	asciilifeform	pinoys finally replaced with actual mechanical shannonizer ?
11:24	mircea_popescu	recall back when it was "CYPRUS!!!" ? or for that matter "ARGENTINA!!!" ?
11:24	asciilifeform	aha
11:24	mircea_popescu	they'll never run out of "obvious" idiocy, the schmucks.
11:25	mircea_popescu	"artificially imposed limits" ie, "you are scum and may not interact with things".
11:25	asciilifeform	moarmoarmoar socialisms!11! terabyteblox!
11:25	mircea_popescu	somehow makes http://trilema.com/2013/the-advantages-of-having-a-baby/ very much apropos.
11:26	mircea_popescu	"are you a young leader getting ready to change the world ? consider procreation instead. god put procreation on earth to keep monkeys such as you busy! and it works, and has worked for generations!"
11:26	asciilifeform	somehow the fact of ~traditional~ bitcoin not quite paying for its network to fully exist, is not obvious to the plankton
11:27	asciilifeform	but for gb blox -- the stone soup, will somehow materialize and pay, veril
11:27	asciilifeform	y
11:27	mircea_popescu	actually what's obvious is the other part : SOMEWHAT paying means there's some paying going on ?! HOLY SHIT NO
11:28	mircea_popescu	it's not that they couldn't pay for the "house" and "education" and etc.
11:28	mircea_popescu	it's that THEY COULD PAY NO FRACTION OF IT!
11:28	mircea_popescu	and nothing else is supposed to! bitcoin as it stands currently is throwing the curve.
11:28	mircea_popescu	that's their problem, and what they set out to resolve, uncomprehendingly but with all the dedication of biology.
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12:22	asciilifeform	!~later tell apeloyee i studied your algo, it (aside from truly massive cost, that would annihilate savings from newton, or barrett, or just about any other trick) ~still leaks~, because shifting by >wordsize is a fundamentally different op from shifting <wordsize; and the only way for this to not be true is for all shifts to happen as a series of wordsize shifts; and a shift by ffawidth-1 (max shiftness) would then consist of ffawor
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12:22	asciilifeform	dness shift operations; and ergo all shifts must consist of ffawordness shift ops, as i described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716343 .
12:22	a111	Logged on 2017-09-20 21:54 asciilifeform: e.g., N is a number to shift, Q is shift amt, R is result, S = l_shift(N, 1); mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - 1)); S = l_shift(N, 1); mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - 2)); ...... mux(S, R, R, iszero(Q - (width-1)))
12:22	jhvh1	asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
12:22	asciilifeform	motherfucking line breaks.
12:23	asciilifeform	tldr: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716337 still holds, looks like.
12:23	a111	Logged on 2017-09-20 21:37 asciilifeform: afaik this cannot be done without a physical barrel shifter of the given bitness.
12:25	asciilifeform	d00d was right in his observation that you ~could~ use a normalizing/denormalizing ( though proof is still a first class bitch ) algo, IF you had a secret 1..ffawidth shift. but you don't.
12:25	asciilifeform	at least not one that doesn't bring the machine to its knees.
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12:57	lobbes	https://archive.is/XmY7k << lulzy. Will be fun to see how fakenewz "unhappens" these discoveries
12:58	trinque	"The prospect of our own NSA, CIA and FBI becoming politically weaponized" << wahahaha
12:59	trinque	the prospect!
12:59	lobbes	Who could've predicted??
13:06	asciilifeform	lobbes: will be unhappened exactly like every other time
13:09	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 << per the canonical formula
13:09	a111	Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
		~ 32 minutes ~
13:42	asciilifeform	in other olds, did we ever do https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gcrypt-devel/2015-November/003618.html
13:44	asciilifeform	'~All general-purpose modular reduction involves numerator- and denominator-dependent branches... ...includes modular reduction for elliptic curve arithmetic, in which the numerator is secret; and modular reduction for RSA, in which the numerator (plaintext message) or denominator (p, q) can be secret.'
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14:02	ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: portland has 2 seasons: rainy and sunny
14:03	ben_vulpes	microclime apparently extends up where i live now as well
14:17	ben_vulpes	aaand in Hate Speech Today: http://nypost.com/2017/09/21/sorority-probed-after-singing-n-word-lyric-in-kanye-west-song/
14:30	trinque	as if white girls don't top the list of folks listening to kanye
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14:48	lobbes	"These girls aren’t racist and people up in arms over this are authoritarian p—-s who hate free speech" << heh. My mind filled in the censored "pussies(?)" with "pantsuits"
14:53	mod6	:D
14:57	ben_vulpes	oblig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trtaMHesWc8
15:01	trinque	http://archive.is/GkBqP << in other dealings with fiat institutions
15:01	trinque	BingoBoingo: ^
15:10	asciilifeform	in other lulz, spot welder - despite being made of the purest chinesium -- worx great
15:12	asciilifeform	trinque: 'SEC Chairman Jay Clayton disclosed late Wednesday that the agency learned in August 2017 that hackers may have exploited the 2016 incident for illegal insider-trading' << reminds of gox, 'hackers' and definitelynotnsa somehow
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16:08	jurov	Hi all, whoever placed orders via coinbr last 2 weeks, they were not forwarded to mpex. I was notified, fixed the problem, cancelled the orders and restored all balances.
16:10	jurov	and due to that, i also missed qntra distribution, next time someone please kick me
16:15	jurov	shinohai: just make the same deed as you did with coinbr, but with "since now please please donate all shares to foundation"
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17:07	mircea_popescu	how's life jurov
17:09	mircea_popescu	trinque "The prospect of our own NSA, CIA and FBI << the "our own" bit is the lulziest. pantsuit actually thought they own something in this world. and not just ourdemocracy, at that. i suppose the scum actually sees itself as rightful inheritors of like cultural europe and etcetera.
17:10	mircea_popescu	lobbes actually, those girls are very much racists ; and possibly the only ones.
17:11	mircea_popescu	making up kanye west "black man" like they make up the barbies. when they age and clintonize they'll be making up obamas. black men in no sense whatsoever other than the needs of stupid white cunts.
17:11	mircea_popescu	it's pretty racist, yeah.
17:13	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-21#1716645 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-13#976006 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1695160 etcetera.
17:13	a111	Logged on 2017-09-21 19:12 asciilifeform: trinque: 'SEC Chairman Jay Clayton disclosed late Wednesday that the agency learned in August 2017 that hackers may have exploited the 2016 incident for illegal insider-trading' << reminds of gox, 'hackers' and definitelynotnsa somehow
17:13	a111	Logged on 2015-01-13 18:05 mircea_popescu: lizard empire very large, very porous, generally i get the good bits before they fully propagated even.
17:13	a111	Logged on 2017-08-07 19:25 mircea_popescu: you keep thinking the usg has actually interesting secrets, rather than the rejected scripts for reality tv we keep turning up in the sikrit vaults.
17:22	ben_vulpes	"In digital real estate, as opposed to digital currency, a low-friction, zero-trust solution to the double-spend problem isn't an economic necessity." << oooooh this just makes me mad
17:22	ben_vulpes	fits with the dork's desire to make a kingdom appear out of nowhere though.
17:24	mircea_popescu	heh.
17:25	mircea_popescu	what's the problem with deedbot real estate anyway ?
17:25	mircea_popescu	or properly stated : why wouild i even consider considering anything else ?
17:26	trinque	"we had to make up an excuse to do an(other?) ICO scam"
17:26	ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: i think "real estate" in terms of "entries in the namespace"
17:38	mircea_popescu	right
17:40	ben_vulpes	ah, we had a thread on this that's slipping my mind.
17:50	mircea_popescu	i think so
18:04	ben_vulpes	"gns"? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572653
18:04	a111	Logged on 2016-11-23 16:07 mircea_popescu: think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you.
18:05	mircea_popescu	in other vague lulz, i picked up this bottle of kefir and made the obvious "this is kefir hawatt" joke. which nobody got.
18:05	mircea_popescu	has it even been 30 years ?
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18:32	shinohai	In other faux Republics: http://archive.is/LAoMV
18:38	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but was the milk it was born from, from the cat-and-rat-system!!1
18:38	mircea_popescu	mebbe the yak system
18:39	*	asciilifeform when saw the film, ended up rereading subj b00k and astonished to realize that david lynch made up the detail, herbert didn't have it
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18:39	mircea_popescu	im not sure i saw the film actually
18:40	asciilifeform	veeery peculiar screenization
18:40	mircea_popescu	well, lynch
18:41	*	asciilifeform liked.
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18:48	BingoBoingo	!~ticker --market all
18:48	jhvh1	BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3678.96, vol: 17982.25782995 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3664.4, vol: 58346.41376159 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3643.2, vol: 796.83910000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 3680.9, vol: 6969.69484778 \| Volume-weighted last average: 3668.68001392
18:56	asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFKjE6lg52M << oblig
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21:54	lobbes	I'd like to submit to the court my request for unbanning my bot's IP on the grounds that I have exorcised the insanity in my code that caused the spamvalanche the other day.
22:02	mircea_popescu	works
22:05	mircea_popescu	lobbes that did it ?
22:06	lobbes	that did it. thank you sir
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22:40	mircea_popescu	np