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00:15 mats mircea_popescu: is there a single nation extant that you find civilized?
00:17 mats i have my own reservations about .cn, but it notably does not interfere with another state's internal politics and does not dispense hypocritical lectures about human rights the way the west does
00:22 BingoBoingo mats: .cn is starting to...
00:23 mats former, latter, or both claims?
00:26 mats i'm observing their development of commerce and nuanced relationships in, say, the indian ocean, through building of ports along the littoral, but they've pointedly ignored human rights issues the west cares about in e.g. sri lanka
00:27 BingoBoingo Well, it's shitting out "Confucious Institutes" Small leap from that to Hillel, anti-defamation league, and Kars4Kids scam
00:27 mats so you think soft power is coercive
00:29 BingoBoingo Depends where they go with it
00:31 BingoBoingo One day the urban comic relief is hooking you up with laffs and dime bags. The next he's smashing your windows.
00:33 BingoBoingo Gotta watch, wait, and be ready to say "NO CHINA, THAT'S A BAD CHINA" if they go too far into acting like Yankee cancer
00:36 mircea_popescu mats notrly afaik. if i found one i'd go.
00:37 mircea_popescu and i've no problem whatsoever with china in the political sense. nor much clue as to actual life there, who knows, maybe they're great.
00:39 mircea_popescu mats depends what you mean by "Soft power". if by soft power you mean something as seen in the graduate, or for that matter in that lulzy thing with a 19yo tom cruise pimping out de mornay & friends, ie what teh parents are doing, i'll tell you tis outright despicable.
00:39 mats not seen either of these
00:39 mircea_popescu are you there ?
00:40 mats no, still resident in usa
00:40 mircea_popescu i'd have wished you a heartfeltly traditional http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-07#1711142 ; but as it is what're we talking about ?
00:40 a111 Logged on 2017-09-07 14:50 mircea_popescu: say phf ! since you're in moscow, what's the bdsm scene like ? do they have a club ? mind doing a field report ?
00:41 mircea_popescu if their naked slut on heels scene sucks, they suck ; if not, we can talk. that's kinda the table ante for civilisation.
00:41 mats the tom cruise flick and the graduate (1967)?
00:41 mircea_popescu yeah i guess.
00:42 ben_vulpes ohai frenz!
00:42 mircea_popescu anyway, the us went through this thing, middle class kids worried about "their future". is that what you mean by soft power ?
00:42 mircea_popescu "omg my future! it is ruined!" "wtf do you think futures are, like orgasms ?" "yeah... as a matter of fact... i do!"
00:43 mats i mean the expansion of their commercial influence as a general example of an empire of soft power
00:43 mircea_popescu there's something missing here. what exactly is being softly powered ?
00:44 mats rather than, you know, usg or israelis dropping bombs on ukr, syria,iraq
00:44 mircea_popescu i'm not strictly against bomb dropping as such.
00:44 mircea_popescu are you ?
00:46 mats i have a problem with usg doing it under pretensions of enforcing their sense of human rights and democracy
00:47 mircea_popescu right.
00:47 asciilifeform a bomb is an honest and upright thing, vs. bezzletronic bamboozlement where victim's economy slowly evaporates 'by itself', 'bad luck'
00:47 mircea_popescu and similarly i could see myself having a problem with "the expansion of their commercial influence" if it's essentially aiming to make the world safer for old women.
00:47 mircea_popescu which interpretation, confucianism readily supports, for instance.
00:49 mats well, that'd be an internal issue for the party, i don't see a chinese interest in ruling over anybody else, just extracting tribute
00:50 mircea_popescu tribute for what and to do what with ?
00:50 mats access to chinese markets and visitations by its merchant fleet
00:50 mircea_popescu we can safely agree then ; nobody cares.
00:56 mats asciilifeform: this is an observation relating .cn to its would-be tributary states?
00:59 mats bezzletronic bamboozlement, that is - or did you mean usg?
01:00 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> and similarly i could see myself having a problem with "the expansion of their commercial influence" if it's essentially aiming to make the world safer for old women. << i.e the Yankee cancer.
01:00 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> which interpretation, confucianism readily supports, for instance. << Social Carcinogens!
01:05 BingoBoingo https://www.imgoat.com/uploads/c8349cc726/44182.jpg << One polyp, preseved on slide
01:19 BingoBoingo http://archive.is/UrXRj >> "I can do the basic stuff and have already watched some youtube videos, but I'll also be around whenever we need a repairman to come and he's at work, which helps out a lot. I'll also be doing my part with the household chores when he's not around and making sure the place is clean. I'll also be in charge of the finances and make sure the bills are paid on time and everything like that. I'm much more organized
01:19 BingoBoingo with those kind of things than he is. But to be clear. I'm not taking advantage of him. He knows we need a good house together. I'll be moving from my parents' house and won't be moving into some drab fixer-upper that needs workers over all the time, which is really expensive in the long-run anyways. We've talked about this. He knows we need a decent house. And all the ones within our "budget" are drab fixer-uppers which we really didn't
01:19 BingoBoingo know about before. This one I'm looking at would be perfect for us and if we cut back on some things will be able to make the payments on."
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01:38 ben_vulpes lol he's the one cutting back on luxuries, huh?
01:39 ben_vulpes > but there's definitely an advantage to both people being on it i'm sure
01:39 ben_vulpes lolol of fucking course there is for you you blood sucking hog
01:40 ben_vulpes getting in on any sort of investment with a woman you don't own lock stock and all three holes is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of
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01:40 mircea_popescu could "invest" with an usg bank.
01:40 ben_vulpes and even then yeah baby uh huh it's "ouuuuur" house
01:41 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: a+ bukkit of lolz
01:43 BingoBoingo In other bukkitz http://www.walrusbucketsaga.com/
01:45 ben_vulpes and in other splittenings; bill kristol presents the "exquisitely poll-tested effort to create a safe new center" (nolabels.org); "we stand together against an alternative right disdainful of the traditions of American conservativism and a vocal left that blends socialist economics with identity politics" hurrrrr yes please i would like my beige underpowered mini van with tan seats oh and can i have the
01:45 ben_vulpes electronic self-closing doors please?
01:46 BingoBoingo Specifically http://www.walrusbucketsaga.com/images/110-found-it_jennifer-barnes.jpg
01:51 ben_vulpes now that is a mountain of meat
01:53 BingoBoingo And more mobile than dependopotatomusen
01:55 ben_vulpes hey she's a mermaid
02:00 BingoBoingo AHA, gotta have flippers for right propulsion!
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07:12 phf i'm getting ads when browsing on my phone "купить майнер под ключ!" i guess russia is reliving 2014?
07:18 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714939 << no, i'm going to meet with a friend who jumped through those hoops though. he might know a couple of moscows collocations
07:18 a111 Logged on 2017-09-15 21:51 mircea_popescu: phf yeah, do you have a muscovi corp reg'd ?
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07:39 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << i don't grok this populist sentiment coming from you of all people. su was hardly rwanda in terms of "1st gen in shoes" and the bulk of those "flew into space" people were pulled from gulags
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07:39 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc
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08:00 phf i'm sure there's a lateral systematic rot there, but not directly where you point http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715331 there's a technical reasons for why you want 3 generation bidet before touching piano
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08:00 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 14:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715304 << on one hand, idiot rabble uprising, sure, on other -- fr elite suffered from a fatal case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611080 rot
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08:25 phf meanwhile, on asciilifeform's space submarine http://68.media.tumblr.com/b48a296adb948d6dfde82450ad874408/tumblr_ovo9jdFxiL1sndzdgo1_500.jpg
08:31 shinohai lolz
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09:49 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the entomology dept, https://archive.is/e7TuU << one for the flondor list. a very dedicated goebbels.
10:03 phf ^ https://archive.is/e7TuU/a9e266b5e26e862285dbfc1c2fe15369c3f6d2db.jpg << physiognomy is real(c)
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10:22 asciilifeform it is, innit.
10:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715587 << point being, gulag or not, ~none of these folx came from the хруст французской булки nobility
10:23 a111 Logged on 2017-09-18 11:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << i don't grok this populist sentiment coming from you of all people. su was hardly rwanda in terms of "1st gen in shoes" and the bulk of those "flew into space" people were pulled from gulags
10:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715589 << i'd be curious re what are these 'technical reasons'
10:24 a111 Logged on 2017-09-18 12:00 phf: i'm sure there's a lateral systematic rot there, but not directly where you point http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715331 there's a technical reasons for why you want 3 generation bidet before touching piano
10:24 asciilifeform ftr, i never saw bidet with own eyes until timisoara in '14.
10:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-24#639521 < obliglul
10:25 a111 Logged on 2014-04-24 00:33 asciilifeform: me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna
10:25 phf there's no хруст французской булки nobility, it's as much of a su invention as the idea that workers&farmers built space program
10:26 asciilifeform it ain't wholly fiction tho, ~none of them were more than 2-3 gens removed from plow
10:26 asciilifeform more newtons than laplaces, by a fat margin.
10:36 phf technical reasons are simple, you don't want shit on your keys
10:40 phf 2-3 gens removed from plow is already further away than 1st gen with shoes. and the way away from plow was particular, through seminary teacher fathers and poor мещянеmothers
10:46 phf asciilifeform: i'm actually surprised, you guys didn't have a separate water hose in your su bathroom for ass washing?
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11:05 asciilifeform nope
11:05 asciilifeform not only didn't have, but never seen anyone have.
11:05 asciilifeform but then again never saw a piano with shit on keys either.
11:14 phf the two are be related!
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11:16 phf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHX7NZS8zAI
11:19 shinohai http://archive.is/FfXIr <<< Avast, me hearties!
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11:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715572 << fwiw, my experience doth not support this.
11:46 a111 Logged on 2017-09-18 05:40 ben_vulpes: getting in on any sort of investment with a woman you don't own lock stock and all three holes is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of
11:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715612 << i find this theory very unpersuasive.
11:48 a111 Logged on 2017-09-18 15:14 phf: the two are be related!
11:54 asciilifeform but meanwhile, in the world of nsa burning magicpacket 0days, https://archive.is/sqfSc
11:54 asciilifeform 'A buffer overflow was discovered in tpacket_rcv() function in the Linux kernel since v4.6-rc1 through v4.13. A number of socket-related syscalls can be made to set up a configuration when each packet received by a network interface can cause writing up to 10 bytes to a kernel memory outside of a kernel buffer...'
11:54 asciilifeform run moar overflowlang!1!!
12:08 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "usgistani woman", i suppose. one of those irate generalizations.
12:14 mats in udder news, http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/17/us/georgia-tech-student-killed/index.html
12:17 asciilifeform mats: 'suicide by cop' is fairly regular item afaik
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16:31 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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16:31 BingoBoingo AHA, back to crashing nao
16:39 ben_vulpes http://nypost.com/2017/09/18/two-london-subway-attack-suspects-are-refugees/
16:40 ben_vulpes also this one slipped through the cracks: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/devs-unknowingly-use-malicious-modules-put-into-official-python-repository/ "use more centralized distribution models without cryptographic verification of anything much less identity!"
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17:06 asciilifeform pubkeyverification is meaningless without wot, ben_vulpes
17:07 asciilifeform ( to nitpick, yes the heathens have a scenario where it still does something, where everybody has 'star topology' 'wot' consisting of the greatinca. but to call this 'meaningful' is a stretch. )
17:10 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes in general i find select women infinitely more dependable than select men ; this may be an artefact of my very female focus tho.
17:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform understand, that's ~strictly how "civilised" life "in a civilised society" works. "everyone's out there playing monopoly, but a lawyer is the only guy who read the inside of the top of the box" and so following.
17:14 mircea_popescu it's unworkable, but only nowadays that tmsr is here. before its invention, it was just as workable as pulling plow by hand.
17:14 mircea_popescu peopledidit.jpg
17:15 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in general i find select women infinitely more dependable than select men ; this may be an artefact of my very female focus tho. << Well, the key here is 'select'
17:15 BingoBoingo Typical bloke does not select anything
17:15 mircea_popescu yeah, perfectly possible my select works better for slits than pipes.
17:16 BingoBoingo Point is more that you do any selecting at al
17:16 BingoBoingo *all
17:17 mircea_popescu heh
17:17 mircea_popescu o shit. you're right aren't you. rnadom mommy-ho in costa rica had NEVER before experienced sexual rejection, had she. and like her...
17:18 mircea_popescu lots and lots and lots of mommy-hos nobody's ever said no to.
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18:12 BingoBoingo Yeah
18:12 BingoBoingo Even if mommy-ho is as per ben_vulpes description "a mountain of meat"
18:14 BingoBoingo Average dude doesn't have to much much selecting as to which pipes to be stacked with in order to beat complete lack of selection
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18:37 ben_vulpes the relevant other side of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-11#202626 is that they know intimately how shitty their own street urchins are; and hope that *any* selection process applied to a base stock of omfg not that shit that i see every day will yield better results than the horror stories of american "foster system", obvious drawbacks of adopting out of their local pool of poor
18:37 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2017-09-11 19:34 mircea_popescu: they. literally. with no embelishment of rhetoric whatsoever. CAN. NOT. interact with unknowns. AT ALL. zilp ; zero ; zilch ; nada.
18:42 ben_vulpes i remain unconvinced that selection applied to us base stock will filter anything of quality out; ppm one'd want to filter for demands astronomical throughput. perhaps this is just the perspective of a guy who's been stuck in the mayogendered, kilt-wearing, anally opposed to the notion of getting pretty for a date, "i won't buy the truck you suggest i buy because A MAN SUGGESTED I BUY A GOOD TRUCK and that
18:42 ben_vulpes would mean he has some knowledge i don't and i went to college dammit!"
18:50 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nah, see the http://trilema.com/2017/family-business/ most recent piece at the juncture where it links the genetics of intelligence.
18:51 mircea_popescu this is the fundamental problem of racism, that it imagines a bag in which there are 8e795 possible balls out of which you pull 8e20 or so can be approximated on the basis of "i've seen THOUSANDS of 8e20 pulls! and besides, the bag is only like 8e21 or maaaybe 8e22". it is not. it is literally 8e795.
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18:51 mircea_popescu i did type the values through numpad mashing ; nevertheless and notwithstanding they are exactly correct.
18:53 ben_vulpes not because of anything inherent to the biology of the meatsacks involved, mircea_popescu , but due to the induced brain damage of living stateside for so long.
18:53 mircea_popescu the vastness bag of possibilities presented by human genetics far far FARRRRR outstrips any vastness commonly contemplated, such as "how many atoms there are in the universe". this does not make it infinite, no, but there's much ado can be fit in the space between two "very large"s.
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18:53 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ah, yeah, age doth play a major part.
18:54 mircea_popescu but your argument was "i remain unconvinced that selection applied to us base stock will filter anything of quality", and this doesn't discuss culture (or rather, it proposes "but what if we fixed culture").
18:55 ben_vulpes i was musing to a close friend who is in frequent wonderation at what i've wrought in my tiny domain that i doubt that i could pull the same thing off again ex a) the influences of this cult and b) taking her home at 23 or whatever it was
18:56 ben_vulpes the stories i hear from the american field, horrifying i tell you. bartendresses with hundreds of thousands in debt; girls making 60k per annum who refuse to shop anywhere but the clothes-recycler lest they create strife with their housemates who bill immediately for the 6.75 share of the gas bill...
18:56 mircea_popescu in other holy shit wtf, about ONE THIRD of the total various itams that were in flight are now delayed in transit. BECAUSE FUCKING MIAMI. holy shit FEMA should gib me care packages.
18:57 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if the story-field is reddit, instagram et all, have to factor in that if it's not a good story then why are people reading it and simple minds don't know a good asshole from a hole in the over the top ground.
18:59 ben_vulpes friends, mircea_popescu .
18:59 mircea_popescu yes, but how do you know they're not talking to you as if you were the twitterbox ?
19:00 mircea_popescu a psychopath, you see, is one whose intellectual development arrested at a very early stage, baby looks at its mother's eyes and doth not perceive aught past the glass. a socialmediapath, however, is one who simply forgot there is such a thing as people.
19:00 trinque ben_vulpes: hell, I imported two to pdx and both caught all kinds of local pathogens, rotted from the head down.
19:01 mircea_popescu contrary to commonly held belief, tuna stinks up from the head down, not otherwise!
19:01 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i also know a few of the girls involved
19:02 mircea_popescu i'm not impugning yer testimony, but did want to point out that with some frequency in the anglotarded youth i get the impression they're deeply desocialized to the point of disability in this sense.
19:03 ben_vulpes mostly i know because i won't let them talk to me as though i were the twitterbox; 'tis the reason the relationships have all persisted as long as they have.
19:03 * ben_vulpes grumbles
19:03 ben_vulpes trinque: toxic feminism or something like that
19:03 * ben_vulpes has vacated; zero regrets.
19:03 mircea_popescu o, you left oregon ?
19:04 ben_vulpes very much so.
19:04 trinque aha. talking to folks here induces not one hundredth the bloodrage
19:05 ben_vulpes i am wearing a john deere meshback as we speak
19:05 mircea_popescu ahahaha
19:14 BingoBoingo lol
19:14 BingoBoingo But Deere is so passe, Reall hicks rep Massey Ferguson!
19:16 ben_vulpes i really do give a shit about being au courant with the hickset, BingoBoingo
19:17 BingoBoingo Well, I believe the good people of Georgian mountains say in their famous tourist slogan: "Poseurs make pig squeels with their pants down"
19:22 BingoBoingo Or however that line in the banjo film went
19:22 * ben_vulpes hums the dueling banjos refrain
19:23 BingoBoingo lol at WAPO missing the obvs connection "In the video, officers can be heard telling Schultz, who identified as nonbinary and used they/them pronouns, to drop the knife. Instead, Schultz walks slowly toward the officers and can be heard shouting, “shoot me.”"
19:23 BingoBoingo to "The attorney also said he wanted to know if the officers involved were trained to deal with mentally impaired people. Schultz’s mother told reporters..."
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19:44 asciilifeform ben_vulpes made his way down south, to the saloon, to the spittoon ?1?
19:45 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: it is north, but not by much. culturally, it is to the 'right', and by enough to feel the difference on a daily basis.
19:45 ben_vulpes the few days i've been here, at least.
19:46 ben_vulpes in other news, W3C finally brings DRM to the masses; EFF resigns: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/09/open-letter-w3c-director-ceo-team-and-membership
19:47 asciilifeform '...we proposed a compromise. We agreed to stand down regarding the EME standard, provided that the W3C extend its existing IPR policies to deter members from using DRM laws in connection with the EME (such as Section 1201 of the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act or European national implementations of Article 6 of the EUCD) except in combination with another cause of action.' << quislings
19:48 asciilifeform and playing entirely by the typical script
19:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715652 << but it's ONE SUBTRACTION ! ( sorry couldn't resist, lol )
19:53 a111 Logged on 2017-09-18 22:51 mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental problem of racism, that it imagines a bag in which there are 8e795 possible balls out of which you pull 8e20 or so can be approximated on the basis of "i've seen THOUSANDS of 8e20 pulls! and besides, the bag is only like 8e21 or maaaybe 8e22". it is not. it is literally 8e795.
19:53 mircea_popescu lel
19:54 * asciilifeform currently working on a modified knuth's nonrestoring div algo that permits a half-bitness remainder. this saves B/2 in each of the O(N) shift and mux operations
19:54 asciilifeform is the 'obvious 2x speedup' alluded to earlier.
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19:55 asciilifeform still fascinated with the question of whether a constant-spacetime 'divide&conquer' divisitron is possible.
19:56 asciilifeform lost count of the various mathematical masturbations, going back to mid-1980s, which dodge the question
19:57 asciilifeform tried and failed to cough up a branch-free newton's method of any kind
19:57 asciilifeform ( all known restatements of newton-raphson reciprocation require normalization, i.e. look at the bits )
19:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's algo (aka 'sliding window' , apparently ) takes ~4x the cost of the naive one when implemented constantspacetimefully (i.e. whole table gets walked through mux on every lookup)
20:06 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so you went like from oregon to washington ?
20:07 ben_vulpes mhm
20:07 * mircea_popescu recalls the time oregon was in the same way
20:07 mircea_popescu and cigarettes were 10 cents
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21:08 shinohai http://archive.is/JGgow <<< I trust this report, since this guy is the world's leading authority on viruses and all.
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23:28 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
23:28 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3974.25, vol: 17426.72326171 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3966.6, vol: 62412.87882297 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3754.576517, vol: 1861.21940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3974.9, vol: 7766.73859145 | Volume-weighted last average: 3964.39982983
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23:46 ben_vulpes california hep outbreak continues to be totally contained: ¸http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-san-diego-hepatitis-20170918-story.html
23:48 mircea_popescu goes great with the bedbugs and syphilis.
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