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06:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1715002 << pick riper fruit till this gestation completes, what's teh rush. not like anyone seriously cares about either.
06:42 a111 Logged on 2017-09-15 23:51 BingoBoingo: So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative
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07:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715247 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715243 are these to mean therefore that a mod computed on a 4096 bit int takes 50 seconds ?
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07:07 a111 Logged on 2017-09-16 15:35 asciilifeform: ( for comparison, a NONmodular exponentiation of same width on same box with same ffa takes 0.26s. )
07:07 a111 Logged on 2017-09-16 15:31 asciilifeform: in other olds ( i dun think i posted this measurement ) the NAIVE modular exponentiator takes 51.3 seconds per 4096b a*b mod m , on the 'standard' test box
07:08 mircea_popescu because that's fucking scandalous to begin with ; and in no case the discussed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712957 can possibly take that fucking long.
07:08 a111 Logged on 2017-09-12 21:32 mircea_popescu: and this is potentially recursive, in that if you have a 500 bit number with 300 ones in it, you do the mod for 500 terms which are all a power of 2, throw 200 away, keep the other 300 and add them.
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07:10 mircea_popescu (pro tip : since the modulus is 4096 bits, all powers of two up to 2^4095 are unchanged by modding.)
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07:13 mircea_popescu what this means in practice being that "the 4096 bit modulus of a 4096 bit number is obtained through at most one substraction op".
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07:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713197 << this is perfectly true, but not actually the problem here. ie, it'd be just as braindamaged even without that.
07:19 a111 Logged on 2017-09-12 23:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713184 << in ffaworld, a < or > or == comparison is not only a subtraction (O(N)) but another O(N) test for nullity (xor all the words together)
07:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713368 << for some decent lulz on this topic, nonsensical "rebel w/o cause" 1982 john clark item, "running on empty". featuring oddball ventilation towers on the hood and vague, contradictory hints of female sex slavery.
07:25 a111 Logged on 2017-09-13 01:18 mircea_popescu: ok, quick summary : tech pre-injectors was carburators. engines "optimized for racing" got slowly more complex over time. then injection became feasible, and they simplified. now they've recomplexified again.
07:25 mircea_popescu also arguably some of the ugliest tits ever to meet lens.
07:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713770 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1713183 ie these are not as distinct as you'd think.
07:32 a111 Logged on 2017-09-13 19:36 asciilifeform: lathe driven moar by musketry than by fine art tho
07:32 a111 Logged on 2017-09-12 23:10 mircea_popescu: 1. if you actually want metal kbd, your choice of steel is probably ill advised. i'd try silver instead. heuristicallyt there's a reason gunsmiths and silversmiths were ~the same people i nthe early modern period ; moreover silver has better properties in the range sough.
07:34 mircea_popescu the whole fucking POINT of french revolution was "we can make things -- soldiers, arms for those soldiers, culture for their fathers and wives, CHEAPER and MORE ABUNDANT if we chinese it." "but will it be as good ?" "i can't hear you over the kanzure of my superficiality"
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07:34 mircea_popescu obviously, it won't be as good, in the obvious sense that you don't need frenchmen to do it, can have it done in yugoslavia cheaper. and by yugoslavia i mean poland which is to say china.
07:35 mircea_popescu which is why it's always poor immigrants, and "3rd world" shitholes. cuz if you approximate a non-closed form solution by the number five, you get a certain set of perked ears, and they're going to always be in the back of the class.
07:38 mircea_popescu in this sense, the perpetual "we don't deal with problems, we try to inflate them away" is a forced mistake of the socialist mind, brought about by its deffective tech stack. what the fuck else are they going to do, the only people to which "french culture" in its jimbo diderot reformulation appeals to are first generation in shoes functional illiterate tards.
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07:39 mircea_popescu "it's ok, science will progress so fast nobody will ever wear shoes again!!!". yeah, i'm sure. and then it'll "progress" even faster than that huh.
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08:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715289 << mod ~exp~ , with naive egyptian div, does. and i described, in detail, why. plox reread.
08:24 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 11:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715247 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715243 are these to mean therefore that a mod computed on a 4096 bit int takes 50 seconds ?
08:25 asciilifeform mod exp for 4096bit operands aint 1 mod, but 8192 of'em, and they're on 8192bit ints
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08:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715294 << computing an 'unchanged' TAKES SAME TIME as any other, omfg, it's constant time
08:27 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 11:10 mircea_popescu: (pro tip : since the modulus is 4096 bits, all powers of two up to 2^4095 are unchanged by modding.)
08:27 asciilifeform 1 * 1 mod 1 takes same time etc
08:30 asciilifeform recall, we do. not. branch. on. operand. bits. ever.
08:31 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715295 << this is screamingly wrong, a 4096bit modulus can be anything, incl. 1
08:31 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 11:13 mircea_popescu: what this means in practice being that "the 4096 bit modulus of a 4096 bit number is obtained through at most one substraction op".
08:33 asciilifeform it's the same 4096 karatsubamuls, 4096 karatsubasquares, 4096 shifts, 4096 muxes, and 8192 ( once for each mul and sqr output, and ergo 8192-bit wide, and they dominate cost ) divs.
08:33 asciilifeform as any other possible 4096b modulus.
08:34 asciilifeform and not '1 subtraction', lol
08:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715293 << ftr this is a description of egyptian div, a SINGLE mod operation.
08:37 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 11:08 a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 21:32 mircea_popescu: and this is potentially recursive, in that if you have a 500 bit number with 300 ones in it, you do the mod for 500 terms which are all a power of 2, throw 200 away, keep the other 300 and add them.
08:38 asciilifeform incidentally do i have to explain why a modexp op cannot be 'exp, and then take result and mod' ? or is it screamingly obvious .
08:48 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1715002 << pick riper fruit till this gestation completes, what's teh rush. not like anyone seriously cares about either. << Or at least sweeter fruit
08:48 a111 Logged on 2017-09-15 23:51 BingoBoingo: So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative
08:52 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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09:14 BingoBoingo ty trinque for the reply fodder http://qntra.net/2017/09/media-and-clergy-orchestrated-civil-disorder-erupts-in-downtown-st-louis-after-acquittal/#comment-109785
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09:59 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QNPRp/?raw=true << mircea_popescu et al : how div, mod, exp, and modexp work presently.
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10:00 asciilifeform ^ and yes there is an 'obvious' 2x speedup possible and not yet done, even in this naive method
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10:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715304 << on one hand, idiot rabble uprising, sure, on other -- fr elite suffered from a fatal case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611080 rot
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10:59 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 11:34 mircea_popescu: the whole fucking POINT of french revolution was "we can make things -- soldiers, arms for those soldiers, culture for their fathers and wives, CHEAPER and MORE ABUNDANT if we chinese it." "but will it be as good ?" "i can't hear you over the kanzure of my superficiality"
10:59 a111 Logged on 2017-02-03 05:29 phf: my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano"
11:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc
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11:01 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 11:38 mircea_popescu: in this sense, the perpetual "we don't deal with problems, we try to inflate them away" is a forced mistake of the socialist mind, brought about by its deffective tech stack. what the fuck else are they going to do, the only people to which "french culture" in its jimbo diderot reformulation appeals to are first generation in shoes functional illiterate tards.
11:02 asciilifeform ( and then yes rotted and vanished like every previous fat an' comfortable set )
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13:37 asciilifeform !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HFs6x/?raw=true
13:37 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
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14:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715311 << i'm missing something here. did you compare a MULTIPLICATION (as your text actually said, a * b) with an exponentiation ?
14:25 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 12:25 asciilifeform: mod exp for 4096bit operands aint 1 mod, but 8192 of'em, and they're on 8192bit ints
14:25 asciilifeform read the src plox
14:29 asciilifeform ( a*b mod m refers to mod-exp, i thought this was clear )
14:30 asciilifeform the corresponding item in the src seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715329 , is FZ_Mod_Exp .
14:30 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 13:59 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QNPRp/?raw=true << mircea_popescu et al : how div, mod, exp, and modexp work presently.
14:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aT4p8/?raw=true
14:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so to try and extract actual reality from this : a ^ b mod m takes 0.26 seconds in koch writing ; same a^b mod m takes 51.3 on your box, notwithstanding a ^ b without any modding takes 1s ?
14:37 asciilifeform this is soup not sense
14:37 mircea_popescu is it or is it not true a modular exponentiation in current gpg takes, on your chosen machine, 0.26 seconds.
14:37 asciilifeform exponentiation WITHOUT DIVISIONS (i.e. nonomodular, or modulo the set ffawidth, in this case 4096) takes 0.26
14:38 asciilifeform same WITH divisions, i.e. modular, takes 51.3.
14:38 mircea_popescu so, calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
14:38 asciilifeform koch is neither here nor there, was not part of the measurements, nor is possible to compare because it does not actually do the same job
14:38 asciilifeform ( kochian modexp stops at the last 1bit )
14:38 mircea_popescu sooo.... calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
14:39 asciilifeform a ^ b mod 2**4096 , rather than a^b ( which our galaxy hasn't enough atoms to represent for 4096bit a and b )
14:40 asciilifeform and in case it isn't clear, the 51+ is using the slowest known method.
14:40 mircea_popescu soooOOOOooooOOOO.... calculating a ^ b is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s.
14:40 mircea_popescu you will refuse to be useful how many times in a row ?
14:40 mircea_popescu i dunno what you think the behaviour preserves, but i can assure you it doesn't.
14:41 asciilifeform why do you insist on repeating a mathematically false summary ?
14:41 mircea_popescu cuz your production does not fit the requisite form. produce item in requisite form, will gladly use that.
14:41 asciilifeform FZ_Exp does not calculate a^b, it calculates a^b modulo ffawidth. this is important difference.
14:41 mircea_popescu so then! calculating a ^ b mod 2^4096 is 0.26s ; calculating a ^ b mod m is 51.3s. that it ?
14:42 asciilifeform ( i don't own a box with 4096**4096 bits of memory, and neither does beelzebub )
14:42 mircea_popescu that's neither here nor there.
14:42 asciilifeform correct. the latter when using the method depicted in the snapshot.
14:42 asciilifeform gotta nail down this difference, because it makes a difference ( in that you cannot exponentiate-and-then-modulus, universe ain't big enough , hence the invention of mod-exp )
14:43 mircea_popescu fine. and the reason your mod does not reduce to "At most one substraction op" is "because i believe the product of two prime numbers 2kb each can in fact be less than 2^4095". that it ?
14:43 asciilifeform my mod is using knuth's simplest (aka egyptian) div method.
14:44 asciilifeform which is B subtractions, when B is bitness.
14:44 asciilifeform i think we had this in detail
14:44 mircea_popescu yes, but as long as you do rsa, a ^ b mod m = either a ^ b or else, a ^ b - m. that's the complete story, there are no other cases. there's specifically no k * m parameter to be explored there.
14:44 asciilifeform this is nonsense.
14:44 asciilifeform and is of the bottle.
14:45 mircea_popescu howssat ?
14:45 mircea_popescu oh doh.
14:45 mircea_popescu complete nonsense, nm.
14:46 asciilifeform hey i'd be the first to applaud if mircea_popescu came up with magical algo that reduces cpu work to ~0 !
14:46 mircea_popescu ME TOO!\
14:46 asciilifeform but nomagicinthisworld, damn.
14:46 mircea_popescu but no, this dead branch has been fully explored, nothing here.
14:46 asciilifeform anyway this was not a sexy/exciting report, it is just to share what was the baseline ( saddest known algo )
14:54 mircea_popescu precalculating 4k mods of 4 to 8kb single-bit items is a pain in teh arse even in simple space terms, what, ima have 16MB worth of ram/disk dedicated to just this PER mod ?
14:55 mircea_popescu tbh i liked my "all items are 4096 bit" world way better and wtf is this "multiplication doubles width" bs anyway!
14:56 asciilifeform can't do tables. period. they result in addressing-by-secretbits and leak timing from cache.
14:57 asciilifeform there are no tables in ffa, and an ffa with a table is pointless ( if you access leaklessly, by chugging whole table each time ( we had thread ) you wipe out the time saving. )
15:07 asciilifeform incidentally, if you're willing to leak the height of the last set bit in the exponent, you cut the cost even of naive method above, linearly ( e.g. the typical gpg exponent is 17 bits ) -- but i'd very much rather not
15:08 asciilifeform naturally this is for the public exponent op only
15:08 asciilifeform and would not help the private exponent op ( where one would want to leak nothing at all )
15:08 asciilifeform and at any rate the 'f' in ffa -- stays.
15:18 asciilifeform incidentally also worth remembering is that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681224 .
15:18 a111 Logged on 2017-07-10 19:33 asciilifeform: sooo a 4096b rsa key takes about a dozen modexp's, on avg, on gpg 1.4.10
15:19 asciilifeform which means that even a minute-long modexp is theoretically fieldable ( you get ~day-long keygen, and minute-per-4096bits decrypt/encrypt, but this is livable, ancestors lived with much slower hand-cranked otp )
15:20 asciilifeform err, lol, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681260
15:20 a111 Logged on 2017-07-10 19:48 asciilifeform: ok actual answer is about 100.
15:20 asciilifeform ( so that'd be ~week-long keygen. )
15:21 * asciilifeform bbl, fresh air
15:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform discussion was privexp anyway
15:22 mircea_popescu but no, i don't think the item as described is useless. if you need a new key in less than a week / if your message lag is mostly this you've other problems to attend to.
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15:53 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715334 << no ; and good for them. but the problem is... and then what of it ? MAGA ?
15:53 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715307 << didja sleep though the century when '1st gen in shoes' folx handed 'cultured' europe its arse on a platter, and then flew into space etc
15:53 mircea_popescu broken lightbulb temporarily sits on shelf next to working lightbulb, "oh, did you miss the time i burned so very bright it was like 1`000 lightbulbs ?!?!?" suppose i did miss it. what came of it ?
15:55 mircea_popescu much like the russkis, what these other marginal orcs have to show for "their great empire" is a barely functional bezzle scheme. i don't even mean the financial part, intellectually speaking the whole us can be comfortably sat down in two lines' worth of "don't say nigger and state-god will provide", which is what, somehow different from "quote marx and wait for moscow" ?
15:56 shinohai "Quote logz and get off yer ass and do shit"
15:56 mircea_popescu i'm not proposing the euroidiots aren't ; but this simple fact dun make non-euros anything else.
15:56 mircea_popescu shinohai :p
15:56 asciilifeform it still remains to be seen whether industrial civs can in principle outlast su
15:57 mircea_popescu europe has been an industrial civ for ~3 centuries now.
15:57 mircea_popescu heck, the swedes are so advanced in germansystem they don't even need money anymore!
16:00 mircea_popescu (the measure for "industrial civ" here used is, the type of answer to the problem of "i need three times the force". if it's "hire three times the coolies/horses/etc then pre-ind civ ; if it's "build bigger machine" it's industrial civ ; if the question not even conceptualized as such then it's not a civ, like say africa/polynesia/other subhumans)
16:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-17#1715336 << this is very much not so, in that presence of euro buildings is still the standard by which you distinguish urban from rural agglomeration ; whereas "going to space" has managed to become the standard of nothing whatsoever.
16:03 a111 Logged on 2017-09-17 15:02 asciilifeform: ( and then yes rotted and vanished like every previous fat an' comfortable set )
16:05 mircea_popescu and that's a minor example. consider rothbard's utter failure to mean or matter, as sadly chronicled on trilema. yes, he's intellectually negligible, but the chief problem that renders him moot is the extreme poverty and ineptitude of his references! which is not his problem, but the 1st gen in shoes folks' problem, and the deep reason us can't and hasn't spoken in the forum of human thought.
16:05 mircea_popescu they can't say anything that's worth remembering for the obvious reason that they can't read anything that's already there.
16:07 mircea_popescu a whole cacophopnic symphony of little john smiths. what am i to do with this large collection of hardy country folk running around with their ummims and thurims ? EVEN IF THEY DO FLY TO SPACE!
16:08 mircea_popescu and the recourse to inflation is rather plainly obvious, "we call it Joe's Principle because nobody could have possibly read Kant".
16:17 asciilifeform imho principal problem of usa is whatever environmental pollutant or genetic wtf that keeps'em from learning human languages
16:18 mircea_popescu this could have similarly been said of any of the other examples of history (the selgiuk turks, and the manchuko, readily come to mind)
16:19 mircea_popescu note that for all their "handed everyone their ass, flew to space" accomplishments, neither tribe is remembered today for anything.
16:20 * asciilifeform uses moar sov maths , in daily life, than roman
16:20 mircea_popescu moreover, the issue is purely cultural, which is why the 1st gen in shoes keeps cropping up. trinque manifestly COULD meaningfully learn human lang once separated from his culture, as the logs bear testimony, and this is 1/1 ie 100%.
16:20 mircea_popescu but, as teh old article says, "but then again nothing in the world harder & more obdurate than the limits a brain sets for itself"
16:21 asciilifeform chukcha can also learn. problem is that somebody gotta separate him from the hole in the ground
16:21 asciilifeform and this is not usually +ev
16:21 mircea_popescu separation seems to work splendidly on own power, just as soon as alternative is perceived.
16:22 mircea_popescu but yes, the situation is not symmetrical -- western orcs produced mcmansion where eastern orcs produced very respectable math and literature, which is truly 2nd generation in shoes fare
16:22 mircea_popescu or as ballas put it, "jobs other than science and medicine seem unreal to you"
16:22 asciilifeform 2nd-gen-in-shoes seems to be peak, culturally
16:22 asciilifeform 3rd gen already tends to bostonize
16:22 mircea_popescu well because 3rd gen is so overwhelmingly easy to fuck up.
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17:29 asciilifeform !!up walter_
17:29 deedbot walter_ voiced for 30 minutes.
17:33 walter_ Greetings! Looking for user AlexNT01. Anybody knows him?
17:33 asciilifeform !#seen AlexNT01
17:33 a111 I haven't seen AlexNT01
17:33 asciilifeform walter_: what led you to think that such was to be found here ?
17:34 walter_ I remember I saw him on one of couple crypto channels I used
17:35 walter_ maybe it was #decred or something else. Sorry for bothering
17:35 asciilifeform !#s AlexNT01
17:35 a111 3 results for "AlexNT01", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=AlexNT01
17:35 asciilifeform ^ 0 mentions until nao.
17:35 asciilifeform nobody ever heard of any such .
17:37 walter_ got it. Thanks
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18:19 mats my favorite thing about mr. funk was his saying a couple javascript thingies were his reference wallet
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18:41 shinohai Some people lack patience for the real reference wallet I suppose.
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20:33 mats https://youtu.be/QO_zXuOQy6A?t=51s USN test fires two railgun rounds within seconds of each other
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21:26 asciilifeform mats: ever wonder what'd a dead short do in one of these ?
21:27 mats am now
21:27 asciilifeform say, if the same hero who burned down a whole nyooksub in port , were to 'forget' a wrench in the rail.
21:28 asciilifeform or perhaps some thermite powder, so the shell welds to the rail instead of sliding...
21:29 asciilifeform normal cannon, you can look with eyes if a barrel is clear; and even if barrel explodes, it's what, 50kjoule
21:29 asciilifeform here - 500, or sumthing
21:30 asciilifeform but imho usn electric guns oughta be encouraged and cheered, per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714978 . especially if they cost $B each and run win95
21:30 a111 Logged on 2017-09-15 23:45 asciilifeform: on 2nd thought 'nsa stores packets on dna' is just the right kind of starwars idiocy that oughta be encouraged.
21:31 mats fame and fortune like those anna chapman received, awaits the would-be saboteur
21:31 asciilifeform the funniest bit is that it dun even need a saboteur
21:31 asciilifeform just like the littoral lulzship didn't
21:31 asciilifeform the designer is the best saboteur.
21:33 asciilifeform ( did anybody, for example, test what happens if rails are wet ? encrusted with foreign matter, e.g. soot from fire? 9,000 variants )
21:34 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/OYckN << sub hero, in case anybody forgot )
21:35 mats ... ordered to pay $400 million in restitution. << hahaha
21:35 asciilifeform iirc thing was later scrapped
21:35 asciilifeform ( some time in '15 )
21:38 mats nobel peace prize committee oughta give him a $1mn cash award, like liu xiaobo received for his work
21:38 asciilifeform hey, if gorby got one, 0 reason why casey fury flickin'his-bic shouldnt
21:39 mats i swear they gave the thing to obama just to piss him off, given its history
21:39 asciilifeform hmm why isn't xiaobo in the l0gz
21:39 asciilifeform pretty sure mircea_popescu had an entire article, in ro no less, about him
21:40 asciilifeform ( tldr for n00bz : xiaobo was the attempt to 'solzhenitsyn' the chinese; it failed, because chinese , turned out, were not sufficiently gullible )
21:40 mats quisling scum that once said china should be colonized by the west for three hundred years
21:40 asciilifeform aha, him
21:40 asciilifeform !#s colonized three hundred
21:40 a111 1 result for "colonized three hundred", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=colonized%20three%20hundred
21:40 asciilifeform hm
21:41 mats most unbelievable part is he couldn't even read/write/speak english
21:41 asciilifeform grrr it WAS in the log somewhere
21:41 asciilifeform there is no requirement that an idjit quisling speak english
21:42 mats also responsible for inciting hundreds of students into action on behalf of usg agitprop that could only be met with tank treads and executions
21:43 asciilifeform aha.
21:44 asciilifeform it is very telling imho that they could not find any d00d of any substantial intellectual caliber, to play this role ( while in su they easily got a saharov & others )
21:44 mats LKY attributes this quote to Deng Xiaoping: "If I have to shoot 200,000 students to save China from another 100 years of disorder, so be it."
21:45 asciilifeform and notably they didn't have to 200k
21:45 asciilifeform breaking spearhead was quite enough.
21:46 asciilifeform the rest of the spear vanished quietly under the rock from whence it crawled, as always does.
21:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> the funniest bit is that it dun even need a saboteur << not one with an ama, at any rate.
21:47 asciilifeform ama?
21:47 mircea_popescu reddit item
21:47 * asciilifeform genuinely baffled
21:47 mircea_popescu "i am so and so, ask me anything". final development on the whole "we are all one" nonsense.
21:47 asciilifeform aaaaa
21:48 * asciilifeform had quit reddit cold turkey long before those were invented
21:48 mircea_popescu "randomtard could ask meaningful question to $interesting person, who could in turn give out an answer that's both a)something he'd sing and b) something redditard could decode".
21:48 mircea_popescu very popular with comedians, aspiring niggers, etcetera.
21:48 asciilifeform 'but dr knuth, how often you take a shit??'
21:48 mircea_popescu the redditard crowd basically
21:49 asciilifeform pretty lulzy pretense
21:49 mircea_popescu exactklyt that.
21:49 asciilifeform asciilifeform was sometimes genuinely vexed, when collegues & various folx would ask him, 'what would you ask erdos', etc. and they never liked my answer, which is that i have nothing worth asking erdos or gauss or etc
21:50 mircea_popescu exactly. "what would you do if you were in a train compartment with einstein ?" "i'd stfu"
21:51 mircea_popescu imagine, $icon fo all people being spared the specialness of your snowflakeitude for a whole fucking hour! THE HORROR!\
21:57 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683486 << found xiaobo thread
21:57 a111 Logged on 2017-07-14 15:09 asciilifeform: in other noose, the 'china must be colonized for 300 years to become civilized' solzhederp finally croaked
22:11 mircea_popescu for the record, it's not even clear that's false.
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22:34 mircea_popescu !!up mietek
22:34 deedbot mietek voiced for 30 minutes.
22:35 mietek hi.
22:35 mircea_popescu ello
22:36 mietek !faq
22:36 mircea_popescu whatcha looking for ?
22:37 mietek the pages linked in the topic do not seem self-explanatory.
22:37 mircea_popescu well, so ask a question.
22:37 mietek what is this place?
22:37 mircea_popescu this is the forum of the most serene republic.
22:45 mircea_popescu heh.
22:50 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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22:56 mircea_popescu and btw : i'd like to watch a porno called "dilda das vegas".
22:58 BingoBoingo Phonetically that's nice, but kinda expect that to go with vegas.
22:59 * BingoBoingo would prefer a pun involving salem witch trials and sodomy
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23:37 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/09/casino-robbed-amid-civil-disorder-in-st-louis/ << Qntra - Casino Robbed Amid Civil Disorder In St Louis
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