#trilema | 2017-08-03

bear with me

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why the fuck would register width matter ? can't have 4 bit gnat for some reason ?

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can !

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if someone were to write one.

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getting back to the "i'm from california and thereby i'm fucked in the head" thread, "Configure GitHub to look Symbolicsish ; Configure YouTube to look Symbolicsish". this "task" pretty much explains the whole thing imo.

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but '16 bit' x86 is not just about bitness

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it is about quite different instr set, and arch ( incl. the use of segments )

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so gcc pointedly never targeted it.

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because it's a crippled horror

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myeah, i figured "fuck you, write the paging yourself" the moment 4 bit was out of my mouth.

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16bit 'p' will prolly have to be asmed by hand.

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good student project.

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( and not even 640, but 64k, i will point out, is plenty )

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693151 << what do you mean by that? we discussed him in logs, he's got fuck you money, which he burns on symbolics hardware from dks

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Logged on 2017-08-03 03:39 asciilifeform: phf ^ is he one of yours ?

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phf: nm i since found the l0gz item

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douglas fields, was it

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lol i might have found a buyer for ye olde 3620

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ah, you were selling it ?

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for many years

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bitcoin only or buyer's choice ?

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last d00d who 'i will fly out for it!' was adlai

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never showed

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mircea_popescu: current d00d offers to trade for a qty of raw 'ivory's

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o hey.

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which is a fine trade.

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supposing that one day i find another d00d who has the pinout...

~ 28 minutes ~

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BingoBoingo

!~ticker --market all

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jhvh1

BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2719.84, vol: 8939.05416383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2713.3, vol: 22831.32753829 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2720.672955, vol: 14635.66870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2726.99, vol: 7289.61562388 | Volume-weighted last average: 2718.25690618

~ 4 hours ~

04:51

cazalla

asciilifeform, NSA actually ships? :P nice

04:54

cazalla

listening to a podcast with that neo bee danny brewster guy being interviewed, says he should've listened to mircea_popescu lol

04:58

cazalla

@ 4:43:11 if you so care https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-brewster-trooper-satoshi-point-have-a-foursome-with-junseth

~ 5 hours 15 minutes ~

10:13

!~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ABRKj/?raw=true

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jhvh1

asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693208 << indeed ships.

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Logged on 2017-08-03 08:51 cazalla: asciilifeform, NSA actually ships? :P nice

~ 35 minutes ~

10:50

meanwhile, at the monkey circus, https://archive.is/RiGV4 >> 'Going to be lolz epic when all the SegWit transactions are double-spent, i.e. stolen by miners on The Real Bitcoin (the legacy Satoshi blockchain).' 'Go ahead and continue voting to close and censor this question. It will not change the embarrassment that you will have when it comes true and all the losses that people sustain because you blocked timely disclosure. Your cen

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sorship only further lowers your future reputation.'

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https://archive.is/5TW5M << 'we read #trilema and won't say it and ergo We Thought Of It All Ourselves '

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also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin'

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lol

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heya mod6

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" put on hold as primarily opinion-based by ....... Pieter Wuille,Jul 29 at 17:41 "

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Lollerz

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BingoBoingo dreamt that mp staged a "reality show" style social experiment. Series of competitions where contestants were coached to act on Trilema principles, "cause not purpose" to prevail. Then as soon as contestants were told filimg stopped the "moo-moo" resumed.

11:19

BingoBoingo

Limited edition collectible soaps were then made from the contestants and offered to fans.

11:23

BingoBoingo

OMG Crashing https://archive.is/PijL7 #4 behind Ether huffing and RIPple

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shinohai is still amazed people actually use Ripple

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lol

~ 30 minutes ~

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693209 << good for a lol.

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Logged on 2017-08-03 08:54 cazalla: listening to a podcast with that neo bee danny brewster guy being interviewed, says he should've listened to mircea_popescu lol

12:06

ben_vulpes

that anonymint feller is really going for the gold in plagiarism

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hey, there's such paucity of ideas in the fiat world, it's somehow unsurprising when escaped victim goes hog wild in the clover patch.

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asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ezo6N/?raw=true

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mircea_popescu: ok worx

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693218 << i thought the dude carefully linked to the foundation website.

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Logged on 2017-08-03 14:53 asciilifeform: also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin'

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693223 lol!

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Logged on 2017-08-03 15:17 BingoBoingo dreamt that mp staged a "reality show" style social experiment. Series of competitions where contestants were coached to act on Trilema principles, "cause not purpose" to prevail. Then as soon as contestants were told filimg stopped the "moo-moo" resumed.

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<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693218 << i thought the dude carefully linked to the foundation website << it is, ya

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Logged on 2017-08-03 14:53 asciilifeform: also lol re the attempted theft of the name 'trb'/'the real bitcoin'

12:13

aite.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693225 << nothing got archived ? what was teh orig url or ?

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Logged on 2017-08-03 15:23 BingoBoingo: OMG Crashing https://archive.is/PijL7 #4 behind Ether huffing and RIPple

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at least two archive.is links doing that

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maybe they're down atm

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hm

12:14

asciilifeform's worked earlier

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yah ^ also having issues

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it worked for me 1st time...

12:15

anyway, bitcoin crash now at 200phash or so. basically, one solitary guy and whatever gear he managed to rent.

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though i suppose that may well be a major overstatement. evaluation process too noisy to correctly catch just how fast it's dropping.

12:18

ben_vulpes

are those anynomint/stack overflow archive links dead for anyone besides me?

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ben_vulpes

har

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lol

12:20

trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1691909 still hasn't been certified. is it a fee thing or something else ?

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Logged on 2017-08-01 17:09 BingoBoingo: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xFaNd/?raw=true

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BingoBoingo For the month of July 2017, Qntra published 37 articles for a total of 3993 words.* < is that star like a footnote ?

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<+mircea_popescu> anyway, bitcoin crash now at 200phash or so. basically, one solitary guy and whatever gear he managed to rent. << remember when 200p was like insane amt?

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o ya.

12:26

heheh. now, just one dude in hk trying to promote his motel or some shit. :D

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ayup

12:37

in other noose, lotta frustrated fpga aficionados live in #bolix.

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incl. at least 1 fella who hit the famous ddr-sdram wall.

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heh

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btw, where did we lulz at some fake news outlet printing a pdf straight up thereby allowing the usg goons to pick up their source ?

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iirc happened recently.

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yes!

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'reality winner' affair

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a ty

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meanwhile in naval engines, http://68.media.tumblr.com/35808c3aa6c8e93bbadbdeecf3acaad3/tumblr_o6ar6zYZRU1v8e494o1_400.gif

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mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/

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mircea_popescu: thread : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666435 .

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Logged on 2017-06-06 13:47 asciilifeform: in other usg comedy, https://archive.is/HtCuo

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deedbot

http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-july-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2017 Statement

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mircea_popescu: the node's behind, and looks like it's not getting anything from its connections. I'll look into it.

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trinque: if it relied on zoolag, it will be hungry until the new ssd crate arrives ( tomorrow at dawn )

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( plus backup reconstitution time )

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but ideally one should not rely on 1 box...

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( even if it's yer personal box. asciilifeform had a bunch of stuff grind to a halt when zoolag went )

13:20

I may have misunderstood the wires patch behavior.

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did a wire to one node mean not trying to eat from others, or merely "highest priority to wire"

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thought it was the latter

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trinque: the latter

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k, that's all I had, not "connect"

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though it does clutter the debug log with barfola if the partner is dead

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at any rate, going to disable the wire for now and see what happens

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( wires patch currently is just epsilon short of useless, because of the asinine default block sync algo )

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mircea_popescu for instance does not operate with it

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what I see in my logs is many BANNED and many "no message in first 60 seconds"

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that's heathens

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( the 'banned' )

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aha

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the latter is ye olde blackhole

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which i demonstrated (at least to my satisfaction) as caused by slow verification on ~own~ end, of incoming blocks

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during which sockets are not serviced and wither and die.

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( see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/thread.html and corresponding threads )

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could be that I diddle the RPC hole too often for this node

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that's a blocking op also, incidentally

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because again the idiotic design of whole thing

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but i have nfi how much it costs you, you would have to make a profiling patch similar to mine and see.

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will have a few things to chew on re: trb once this walletbot sits down.

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the thing wants at least a sendrawtxn, external txnmaker, and address tracking without holding privkey

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yea

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also to go with these -- option of running sans mempool

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also wants P, of course :)

13:30

not sure how that goes directly with trb

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an external adatronic otpulator makes dealing with transactional items diddled by the web safer, as I see it

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aah

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this yea

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otp generator can keep an audit trail, which can be run out of band when moving actual coin.

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doesn't match, sorry folks, going back to the last transaction batch

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trinque: can you point me plz to the thread where it was described what your current item (walletbot) does ?

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i somehow missed.

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I'm going to do a writeup when released, still putting it together.

13:32

aite.

13:34

the otp part discussed here stands alone, though. a rather dumb piece of software can keep track of encrypted OTPs it dispatched, the corresponding command (which sits in the encrypted item), and when it got the OTP back.

13:35

works for an accounting db, wot, w/e

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otp box can be msdos over serial port, input parsing is trivial (key parameters, hash of command; so all numeric - none causing branching)

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ah probably string of command, since folks need to see what it is they've gotten an OTP for. at any rate, still not branch-causing.

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if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better. that'd be the audit trail instead of the OTP box's disk.

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^ obviously comments welcome.

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trinque: if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better << i use a thermal printer for this

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it is ~perfect : 1) no way for enemy to unhappen logs short of burning the bldg 2) easy to scroll through, read 3) thermal paper burns great

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printer shits out 10kB/sec easily.

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aaah right.

13:50

archive.is barfing again

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and refuses to load the lul o' the day, https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ywp8k5/researcher-who-stopped-wannacry-ransomware-detained-in-us-after-def-con .

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'On Wednesday, US authorities detained a researcher who goes by the handle MalwareTech, best known for stopping the spread of the WannaCry ransomware virus. ... At the time of writing it is not clear what charges, if any, Hutchins may face. Motherboard verified that a detainee called Marcus Hutchins, 23, was being held at the Henderson Detention Center in Nevada early on Thursday. A few hours after, Hutchins was moved to another faci

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lity, according to a close personal friend.

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... "I've spoken to the US Marshals again and they say they have no record of Marcus being in the system. At this point we've been trying to get in contact with Marcus for 18 hours and nobody knows where he's been taken," the person added. "We still don't know why Marcus has been arrested and now we have no idea where in the US he's been taken to'

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'A US Marshals spokesperson told Motherboard in an email, "my colleague in Las Vegas says this was an FBI arrest. Mr. Hutchins is not in U.S. Marshals custody."'

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gasenwagen.

~ 15 minutes ~

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trinque: incidentally i recently purchased a number of thermal printers from dying ratshacks, you can have one for cost of postage

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iirc some still even have paper..

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unrelatedly, asciilifeform has a crackpot twist theory re why 'shitcoin cash' tire fire : it's a ploy to make impatient folx glom their addrs ( for usg's 'taint db' farms ) when splitting&selling shitforkolade

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^

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asciilifeform no i know, i already put it in teh report.

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waiwhich report

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qntra's.

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i dun see it there ?

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did the footnotes get cut off ?

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"For ready comparison, the "journalists" of the Empire of Stupid were mentally slow and bodily lazy enough to publish a pdf that betrayed their source last month." links it neh.

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oh that!

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i thought this was re 'ploy' item

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nm

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a no. hang on im behind teh history here.

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lolk

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693293 << no, this is well credible.

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Logged on 2017-08-03 17:23 asciilifeform: which i demonstrated (at least to my satisfaction) as caused by slow verification on ~own~ end, of incoming blocks

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i did hope to find some other major source of dogslow. but nope.

14:16

From the sewer: "I think bcash sounds much cooler than bitcoin. the name bitcoin feels like myspace, bcash feels like facebook."

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( hence the ludicrously disproportionate effect of ssd )

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shinohai and my dick up his ass feels like paradise.

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shinohai: lol!!

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:D

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693319 << of course there is, get an ancient tractor epson matrix printer, buy it paper, let it go.

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Logged on 2017-08-03 17:41 trinque: if there were a hardware-only way of logging what traveled over that serial port, even better. that'd be the audit trail instead of the OTP box's disk.

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^ very much recommended for audit, this, btw. oldest system known to man, ticker tape, for telegraph and stock exchange. still unbeaten.

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i dun much like those for even light seekritz, they leak via audio

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not for secrets at all ; for audit.

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dun believe - try yourself. record the 'bzzzz' and out come the bits.

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i like thermal.

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also fine. the whole idea is the ticker tape, not the method necessarily.

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compact, too. and - unlike tractor - paper sold everywhere.

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but : a) visually inspected and b) read only.

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aha.

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actually b) is stronger than "Read only". FIXED ENTHALPY TIME FLOW.

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print current topblock hash also, every L lines.

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how did the poet put it, "the writing head does write, and having writ, moves on

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aha!!

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nor all your nsas or wit could call it back to cancel

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but a single line of it.

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printing blockhash nukes the pre-prepped-tape-substitution attack also.

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aha

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don't settle for inserting road cone into the bastard's arse, insert telephone pole.

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elsewhere , for all of asciilifeform's gripe re the trinitron d00d -- he immediately grasped 'why FUCKGOATS named'

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really this should be the motto of something. "The moving finger writes ; and, having writ, moves on. Nor all thy Piety nor Wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line ; nor all thy tears wash out a word of it."

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and didn't say anything headdeskingly foolish, even.

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if this isn'tr bitcoin, i dunno what is.

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'... nor all thy wuillety or piet...'

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asciilifeform the reason i even quoted etc is that for all the diversity, no actual stupidity came out. so...

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aaha

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see what the complexity hell did to my mind? "not printers, those are a nightmare cesspool"

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trinque: the ones in question are rs232 boxes

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( 2 cords, mains & serial )

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they were once connected to cash register

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still are, I can confirm :p

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693332 << I stand next to a stack of them at this moment, lol

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Logged on 2017-08-03 18:07 asciilifeform: trinque: incidentally i recently purchased a number of thermal printers from dying ratshacks, you can have one for cost of postage

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but ty

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aite

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trinque i'll dare say it's something else. have you ever seen "a man for all seasons" ?

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I haven't.

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ok, well, if you're curious to delve into what did what to your mind, go see it sometime, and see it so that you answer me the question of "what did moore do wrong ?"

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he dies, and he dies for his sins.

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interesting, will watch it soon.

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cool.

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definitely one of the ten best anglo movies ever made, at any rate.

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mircea_popescu discovers alf had already http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693322 so all his ulterior comments were really just rehahs. AWW!

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Logged on 2017-08-03 17:43 asciilifeform: it is ~perfect : 1) no way for enemy to unhappen logs short of burning the bldg 2) easy to scroll through, read 3) thermal paper burns great

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this is my dismay.

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lol

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693329 << typical "rule of law" for soviet / banana republics.

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Logged on 2017-08-03 17:51 asciilifeform: ... "I've spoken to the US Marshals again and they say they have no record of Marcus being in the system. At this point we've been trying to get in contact with Marcus for 18 hours and nobody knows where he's been taken," the person added. "We still don't know why Marcus has been arrested and now we have no idea where in the US he's been taken to'

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thermal tape shitter is also great for otp btw

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"oh, we don't know". riight. and putin has problems.

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funny thing was I'd already considered having the OTP box burn a CD as it went along, just shitter printing without visual inspection.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693331 <<< nah, arresthire. they're running out of talent pool.

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Logged on 2017-08-03 17:51 asciilifeform: gasenwagen.

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can cat directly, to paper, /dev/fg | xxd -p > /dev/ttyblah

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( how to make 2+ -- exercise for reader )

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tee ?

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dinddingwinner

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lmao

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lol arresthire

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it's a thing.

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is it like doctor on pirate ship ? they let'im go when new one caught ?

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sort-of.

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hey, 0.1% or so by mass, about 33% or so by output of usg.nsa/etc is zekware. and i mean this quite literally.

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"So, it appears thermal stress on the Ivory CPU isn't the problem, or that the thermal stress is too great for that small heatsink to keep up with." do they not have laser thermometers where these people live or what is the problem here ?!

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he did say later

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it's the PALs

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aok

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asciilifeform https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability/ << where later ?

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in his chan

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oh hm i meant the other d00d

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trinitron

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i think 'engineer' is the 'dougnyc' d00d

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lol mkay. i mean this dood. and wtf already, put some probes on the baffling process, this is science ?

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dunno why he doesn't buy the tool used in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871

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it costs much much less than lispm...

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asciilifeform afaik, yes.

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300bux or so

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693195

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Logged on 2017-08-03 04:08 mircea_popescu: douglas fields, was it

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also if i had a working ivorytron 1st thing i'd do is put diamond paste & hs from opteron on it... so yea wtf

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no idea.

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but the engineering label seems to be falling off./

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ah now I recall what might reduce the print audit's usefulness. it means visual inspection of the encrypted items, as well as OTPs. logger box has to first see the encrypted item, second, corresponding OTP, and then this log has to be verified by someone who can (elsewhere) crack open the encrypted ones and match up the OTPs.

14:55

i have nfi what that fella smokes

14:55

trinque it's for your own later audit. hence the tee

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tells me ordering of OTPs, but not whether one leaked out with wrong key, multiple keys, so on.

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and speaking of baffling moongineering : why the fuck do they have SQUARE vent holes on places like us navy ships, where they can actually afford to design the cover rather than buy from walmart.

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well, without transcribing or OCR'ing the log back in somewhere.

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trinque can always hash any item that is long to check for conformity in audits.

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trinque: qr code

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or maybe i'm not understanding the problem ?

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( or even conventional bar )

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in order for a log of OTPs to be meaningful, in that it asserts a particular person assented to an action at a given time, gotta know the OTP corresponds to the item sent to that person. the way I've been thinking about that is encrypting the OTP with two keys, one of which I hold; the other belonging to the outside party

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could have just hashed it neh ?

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and that at some point a log of the encrypted OTPs and their return (as seen over that serial cable by 3rd box) is moved somewhere, and the encrypted OTPs decrypted and matched up with OTPs received

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if you have an irreversible hash function, it's better than encrypting.

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(ie, doesn't need decryption, can simply compare)

15:10

writing it up real quick in longer form.

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shall read.

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and in other random lulz from the internets, https://profs.info.uaic.ro/~vcosmin/stuff/temp/psgbd/Tema_ScorDoi_Nr6/_Chiriac_Dorin_B5_6_2_Cazacu_Vlad_X1_6_2.html

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693423 << i believe man's solution was to buy another $7k xl12xx. otherwise the website is distinguished by macro photos of symbolics boards and retellings in own words of Document Examiner material (which is also available in printed form, in before asciilifeform's "i have the whole printed set")

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Logged on 2017-08-03 18:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/ivory-cpu-heatsink-and-instability/ << where later ?

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the macro photos i like.

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why the fuck would he hassle dsk for an original fucking fan though. really, copper is expensive now ?

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not even fan, heatsink, and i also have no idea

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relatedly i couldn't figure out how to attach the fan to the board without drilling into it. there's like two possible mount points, but requires machining a custom brace

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only theory i can think of is he did not want to 'spoil' his 'rembrandt' with 'non-period' grease and hs

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phf: thermoepoxy !!

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the kind with diamonds

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^

15:19

worx great

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i use it everywhere.

15:19

the heatsink/fan assemblage is not heavy enough for the paste to not hold it. esp if upright.

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that's how the heatsink is attached to the surface, but i wasn't sure if it can handle the fan vibration

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epoxy will hold it and if you pull it with four hourses it'll be the pcb socket that comes off, not the hs

15:20

if it can'y you really should have a fan made industrially

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i mean, i figured it's ~not~ the question of weight, obviously

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as opposed to "out of gerbils"

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hmm interesting, ok

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and i dun care re vibration.

15:20

yet another case of "in discussing idiocy of idiots, sane people find out interesting truffs."

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( the solder on the board, may eventually care. but not the epoxy. )

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btw all bolix iron used good old leaded solder

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trivial to rework

15:21

asciilifeform lol, alternative desolder to "wick lead in" , vibrate it for 6 months ? :D

15:21

see, none of that.

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aha.

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"our novel eutectic alloy melts at just about 500 degrees. just as good as proper solder, and also better for the environment!!!"

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( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1693008 see also. )

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Logged on 2017-08-02 22:21 asciilifeform: ' RoHS = Restrictions on Hand Soldering ' ( good one. and true : as described in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 , shit dun melt worth shit with any available iron )

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asciilifeform the other side of that chasm, of course, is that it's how euros forbade the phtalates (plastic softeners) and polybrominated crapola (flame retardants).

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makes eu houses significantly more habitable than us equiv.

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i remain skeptical that they did not substitute in something equally objectionable.

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well, in practice the whole "flame retardant" thing never really took off. but this is not because of the rohs stuff.

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it is well known that things are as bad elsewhere as they are in smawpland, dc

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lol 'inversecargocult'

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mircea_popescu: iirc 'flame retardant sofa' is a production of u.s. tort idiocy

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aha.

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and kid pijamas and dildos and so on.

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but anyway, the fertilew swamp on which that was produced were "better building materials", ie, "let's make a house out of drywall and insulation".

15:28

dun forget aluminum foil.

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that's actually fine. dun help dun hinder.

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the planks come off.

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and insides bust out.

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huh ?

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( vermin -- in )

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the al. siding .

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it comes in these long strips.

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oh.

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you saw that "tinmen" film btw ? re the early al siding industry ? that enchanted period in the 50s that even gave memes like "wtf are you, an al siding salesman ?"

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nope. but it is on the list

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iirc came up in an old trilema.

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yeah, notbad film. anyway. al siding was always a scam, but that's not what i thought you meant by foil.

15:32

meanwhile, in the circus , https://archive.is/tAOy3

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^ re 'arresthire' d00d

15:33

tbh i very much like the danielpbarron write-up style of "this is how to do x ; if you're lazy i'll do it for you costs this much".

15:36

asciilifeform so the idea is dood made/sold kronos w/e that was.

15:36

$3000 ie ~1btc worth of software.

15:37

this isn't evne grand theft is it.

15:37

he isn't being accused of theft

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but of 'manufacture of hacking device' etc

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so ? 2k worth of it

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that statute doesn't have damage quota

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or requires crown to show any at all

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let me put it another way : if "the united states" is sorely hurt by a coupla grand wortha software, all those tomahawks'd better win some wars.

15:38

asciilifeform i care what usg thinks its laws are about as much as i think what fat girl thinks her reasons for eating are.

15:38

they still have sore starfish from 'wannacry' using nsa's beloved 'unpatchable' hole, and pressure building for patch of same

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mircea_popescu: if we're discussing zimbabwestan i am stuck describing its witchcraft statute.

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i thought the guy fixed wannacry. did he make wannacry ?

15:39

fixed in this case was 'took for self'

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asciilifeform yes, but in our terms ; not in zimbabwestan terms. zimbabwestan may not have terms.

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lulzy.

15:50

https://archive.is/ZxDYL << moar re subj

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'Hutchins’ employer, cybersecurity firm Kryptos Logic, had been working closely with the US authorities to help them investigate the WannaCry malware. Hutchins handed over information on the kill switch to the FBI the day after he discovered it, and the chief executive of the firm, Salim Neino, testified in from of the US House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space & Technology the following month.' << golden idjits

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