#trilema | 2017-07-22

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00:12	*	BingoBoingo still wonders what "Trump administration"? This is an 8 year reich that Estados Unidos has been sentenced to serve.
00:18	BingoBoingo	Ask not what your Trump can do for you. Ask yourself what he did to you, hand on pussy.
00:18	BingoBoingo	http://oglaf.com/annals/
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00:38	BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/IxILl
		~ 2 hours 25 minutes ~
03:03	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681987 << bwahahaha
03:03	a111	Logged on 2017-07-12 19:45 BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/pirated/
03:03	mircea_popescu	great one
		~ 2 hours 19 minutes ~
05:23	mircea_popescu	!!up scriba
05:23	deedbot	scriba voiced for 30 minutes.
05:23	mircea_popescu	!!up Scronty
05:23	deedbot	Scronty voiced for 30 minutes.
05:23	mircea_popescu	and who might you be ?
		~ 17 minutes ~
05:40	deedbot	http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ << Trilema - The practical costs of hallucinated freedom
05:41	mircea_popescu	^ in celebration of the "recent events" that... weren't.
05:51	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#comment-114493 >> whole discussion very much on point re the whole ru 99 / ro 2004 thing, for the antiquarianly minded.
06:05	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461007 << i FINALLY lolled : "Коллайдер" ??? У автора в лексиконе не нашлось подходящего русскоязычного слова? / Какое например? Исконно русский факторизатор?
06:05	a111	Logged on 2016-05-02 12:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356 << moar lulz
06:14	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688195 << are you satisfied re this point, by the way ? trinque's "not a man" item wasn't much pursued, but it is substantial enough.
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06:14	a111	Logged on 2017-07-21 04:43 asciilifeform: however, i gotta ask, what happened to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685436 ? usg beat and imprisoned the rabbis, at the end of the day. so how come it does not 'prove superiority' in mircea_popescu's lens ?
06:15	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688217 << the whore gets paid because ~you~ think she should be. the robber gets paid because ~he~ thinks he should be. very unlike items, these.
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06:15	a111	Logged on 2017-07-21 04:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform robber who uses "laws" is properly known as whore, not robber.
06:18	mircea_popescu	the case of the whore is not of "man who walks into room and overpowers all those present", but instead "woman walks into room and seduces all those present".
06:19	mircea_popescu	these are very much not the same : i can say "i'm not interested" in the woman case only.
06:19	mircea_popescu	which is the whole item here : yes usg seduces a bunch of dorks, but what i am saying is that a) i'm not seduced myslef and b) i do not think very much of they who are.
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09:32	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688896 << yea sold
09:32	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 10:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688195 << are you satisfied re this point, by the way ? trinque's "not a man" item wasn't much pursued, but it is substantial enough.
09:33	asciilifeform	did mention insects in same thread, neh
09:44	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688898 << how would you classify racketeer/bagman?
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09:44	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 10:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688217 << the whore gets paid because ~you~ think she should be. the robber gets paid because ~he~ thinks he should be. very unlike items, these.
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11:43	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688906 << the classification of agent depends on the classification of principal he agents for.
11:43	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 13:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688898 << how would you classify racketeer/bagman?
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12:23	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: plox to expand?
12:23	mircea_popescu	ok, but where ?
12:23	asciilifeform	what diff does it make for whom the bagman bagmans
12:24	mircea_popescu	all the difference in the world, neh ? what difference does it make for whom the postman brings letters ? well, if he brings othello letters from desdemona, he is a sort of cupid ; and if they are from the doge, a sort of mercury.
12:26	asciilifeform	i dun see how this applies to robbery tho. how does it make a diff to me ~why~ i am being robbed.
12:26	asciilifeform	i.e. whether it is because luciano wants new yacht or new whore
12:27	asciilifeform	robbed just the same, neh
12:27	mircea_popescu	so you just wanted the money ?
12:27	mircea_popescu	if you spend it, does it make a difference to you what you spend it on ?
12:27	asciilifeform	if ~i~ spend it.
12:27	mircea_popescu	but not otherwise.
12:28	asciilifeform	how would it make a diff to me how the robber spends it.
12:28	mircea_popescu	how he spends it is not the item, but who or rather what he is.
12:29	asciilifeform	all robbers are entirely the same type of thing from my pov, and vary only in skill and size.
12:29	asciilifeform	and are as desirable a thing to have around, as cancer and landslides.
12:29	mircea_popescu	and i suppose if i were come to your house tomorrow unbidden, sit on your couch and pour myself a glass of wine you'll say you weren't robbed ?
12:29	asciilifeform	dunno, didja take the couch home?
12:29	mircea_popescu	im taking some wine to the bathroom in any event.
12:30	mircea_popescu	the "it was not robbery for [insert reasons]" is the common, but also nonsensical escape from this fix. the correct way out is to notice that yes you were robbed, but it matters who does it.
12:31	asciilifeform	uninvited guest in your house at night, is rarely a friend.
12:31	mircea_popescu	sure, rarely. yet you can be robbed of your heart and not mind the loss any.
12:31	asciilifeform	this mixing of unlikes, dirty thinking, mircea_popescu barfs when other folx do it.
12:32	mircea_popescu	the only problem's that they are unlikes here.
12:32	mircea_popescu	whether they are* i mean
12:32	asciilifeform	luciano is no friend of mine, my couch is not his couch, no wine willingly give to him.
12:33	mircea_popescu	but that so far as luciano.
12:33	mircea_popescu	can you say "no one is a friend of mine" ? and if you can, what does it mean, "wine" ?
12:33	*	asciilifeform tightens gas mask canister
12:35	mircea_popescu	suppose you go to the casino, yes, and lose some money playing with the fates. if you discover that the game was fixed, will you go "ah well, i had lost it anyway" ?
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12:35	asciilifeform	not being a gurl, i dun see any blur in the line between the willingly and unwillingly given wine , b/w friend and foe
12:35	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it can't possibly be willingly given, i didn't ask.
12:35	asciilifeform	and where i live it is not customary for friend to break into house. it tends to end badly.
12:36	mircea_popescu	yes, you live in a most strange of places :D where you aim to live it was quite customary.
12:36	asciilifeform	at any rate mircea_popescu is welcome to walk into my yurt and drink all the kumys he wants whenever.
12:37	mircea_popescu	why thank you.
12:37	mircea_popescu	but the point remains -- it very much matters whose principal thje agent is.
12:42	mircea_popescu	there's edges of this observable everywhere in nature. why make car insurance mandatory ? so that every idiot with a donut has a certain kind of principal behind him, so accidents can stay accidents and you can actually get your car fixed rather than "hurr durr i'm anon pothead, lolz".
12:42	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688938 << this is actually a great puzzler ( what is it that folx feel cheated of, when they are cheated at cards )
12:42	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 16:35 mircea_popescu: suppose you go to the casino, yes, and lose some money playing with the fates. if you discover that the game was fixed, will you go "ah well, i had lost it anyway" ?
12:43	mircea_popescu	aha!
12:43	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's not limited to that, either. what do folks feel cheated of, when they declare to have been cheated on by spouse ?
12:44	mircea_popescu	"her affection!" "can you be cheated of things you imagined ?"
12:44	asciilifeform	i thought it was the cockwidthcalibration.
12:44	mircea_popescu	so maybe same with cards :)
12:46	*	asciilifeform thinks back to the rather complicated philosophy of ru prison re when it is 'kosher' to cheat at cards, and with whom
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12:46	mircea_popescu	~and with whom~.
12:46	mircea_popescu	expand, let's have the story in the logs.
12:46	asciilifeform	( as illustrated here, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687951 )
12:46	a111	Logged on 2017-07-20 23:54 asciilifeform: hether there was any likelihood of being passed a false banknote and whether he could pass on a false note himself. There was no definite system involved in all this. Sometimes a fist like a hairy water-melon would appear in the little window, but it was obvious that Tatarsky could quite safely send its owner to hell and beyond. Then sometimes Tatarsky's heart would skip a beat in fright at the sight of a slim female hand
12:47	asciilifeform	my education consists of secondary sources, i'd rather mircea_popescu expanded.
12:47	asciilifeform	also it is tea time, brb
12:47	mircea_popescu	you know i wasn't ever in jail either.
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13:12	mircea_popescu	meanwhile at teh club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/90688d90d3207ffb7a2d1179f07c9b10/tumblr_o915ywAHth1vshvsro1_1280.jpg
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13:13	phf	she cute who dat
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13:14	mircea_popescu	random russki
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13:38	phf	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688954 << "это был севочка, знаменитый знаток терца, штоса и буры -- трех классических карточных игр, вдохновенный исполнитель тысячи карточных правил, строгое соблюдение которых обязательно в настоящем сражении. про севочку говорили,
13:38	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 16:46 asciilifeform thinks back to the rather complicated philosophy of ru prison re when it is 'kosher' to cheat at cards, and with whom
13:38	phf	что он «превосходно исполняет» -- то есть показывает умение и ловкость шулера. он был и шулер, конечно; честная воровская игра — это и есть игра на обман: следи и уличай партнера, это твое право, умей обмануть сам, умей отспорить сомнительный выигрыш.
13:38	phf	играли всегда двое — один на один. никто из мастеров не унижал себя участием в групповых играх вроде очка. садиться с сильным «исполнителями» не боялись — так и в шахматах настоящий боец ищет сильнейшего противника."
13:41	phf	(a rather butchered translation) "it was sevochka, a famous expert at terza, stos and bura, the three traditional card games. he was a master of the extensive ruleset, strict adherence to which was mandatory in any real confrontation. they said about sevochka that he is an “excellent performer” that is he shows the skill and the agility of a card sharp. of course he actually was a card sharp; an honest theifs game is a game of deceit: observe and c
13:41	phf	atch your opponnent, it's your right, know how to cheat yourself, know how to dispute a questionable win. a game is always between two people -- one on one. none of the pros would degrade themselves by participating in a group game like ochko. none would be scared to play against a strong “performer” either -- like in chess a real pro looks for a strong oponnent."
13:42	asciilifeform	phf nails it
13:43	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688962 << woah : facechix!!
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13:43	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 17:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at teh club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/90688d90d3207ffb7a2d1179f07c9b10/tumblr_o915ywAHth1vshvsro1_1280.jpg
13:45	phf	apparently terza is a pure sakhalin invention, stos is known in u.s. as faro or pharaoh and bura while also a custom prison game is essentially thirty-one
13:45	asciilifeform	faro interestingly was ~the~ 19th c game
13:45	asciilifeform	but today ~extinct.
13:46	asciilifeform	( in usa that is )
13:54	deedbot	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B4A9F8064616CAF4A77EF29B696C8E55FF481782DBFC35092B3CEC51BAA60B2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9287...7133 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.0.156.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.0.156.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SD)
13:54	deedbot	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82DFE01A00E566825DFF781D85F4FB9EA8405E400F9B6C772D8FA7552383F0C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9903...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.112.244.14 (ssh-rsa key from 92.112.244.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (14-244-112-92.ip.ukrtel.net. UA)
13:54	deedbot	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B4A9F8064616CAF4A77EF29B696C8E55FF481782DBFC35092B3CEC51BAA60B2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9903...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.0.156.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.0.156.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SD)
13:54	deedbot	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82DFE01A00E566825DFF781D85F4FB9EA8405E400F9B6C772D8FA7552383F0C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9900...7209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.112.244.14 (ssh-rsa key from 92.112.244.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (14-244-112-92.ip.ukrtel.net. UA)
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13:57	mircea_popescu	phf stos / drum de fier is also known in romanian. antique, and very stupid, french game.
13:57	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform reason why extinct is that no longer need deck for rng. which is ~all that was.
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13:58	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688972 \| http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688963 wut do you both see in random club slut like ~any other ?! this is interesting already.
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13:58	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 17:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688962 << woah : facechix!!
13:58	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 17:13 phf: she cute who dat
14:03	mircea_popescu	anyway, the discussion of card cheating brings us to an inverse of that ancient towers point ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312420 ) : it is only in prison that technology is sufficiently limited for the "cheating -- allowed" approach to work. yes, it does work well, and yes it is very warmly human. but it is also a strong part of the rural vs urban dispute, in that it is strictly a matter of rurality, and can not live
14:03	a111	Logged on 2015-10-31 04:27 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete/#selection-57.90-57.473
14:03	mircea_popescu	in town. much like, of course, representative democracy belongs to the simple and them alone ( http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-79.0-85.2 ).
14:04	mircea_popescu	a sort of fairness-and-equality-through-simplicity-and-poverty is required for such things. kinda why orange revolutions work, when they do.
14:04	asciilifeform	stupidity is a sort of organic 'natural drm' yea
14:04	asciilifeform	'who would ever think to...'
14:05	mircea_popescu	the inconceivable is just as good impermissible as any other.
14:06	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688981 << >> http://92.112.244.14/view/login.html
14:06	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 17:54 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82DFE01A00E566825DFF781D85F4FB9EA8405E400F9B6C772D8FA7552383F0C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9900...7209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.112.244.14 (ssh-rsa key from 92.112.244.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (14-244-112-92.ip.ukrtel.net. UA)
14:06	asciilifeform	^ some huawei rubbish or other
14:06	asciilifeform	but not a type i recall seeing previously.
14:06	mircea_popescu	but the point : there's always winds. whether men blow the winds against the mechanisms, and create the prison card playing world ; or whether mechanisms blow the winds against people, and create the "company policy" and us office, there'll still be wind, and there'll still be some towers, and some ground down mounds were other towers could have stood.
14:07	mircea_popescu	if only wind blew strong the other way.
14:09	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688984 << can't speak for phf, but to my eye she looks like a human face, vs plastic cow
14:09	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 17:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688972 \| http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688963 wut do you both see in random club slut like ~any other ?! this is interesting already.
14:09	asciilifeform	probably by accident, kabuki makeup sweated off etc. but nevertheless.
14:09	asciilifeform	i didn't imprint on the kabuki and find it repulsive, is all.
14:10	mircea_popescu	she's made up about to the evening level.
14:10	mircea_popescu	her eyes are kohl'd, there's powder on the cheek, and well chosen rouge on the lip... what more, really ?
14:10	asciilifeform	could be simply camera angle, or could be that there's actually somebody home in that head. i've nfi.
14:11	mircea_popescu	mebbe you inprinted on teh sideways glance.
14:15	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688983 << poker still lives
14:15	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 17:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reason why extinct is that no longer need deck for rng. which is ~all that was.
14:15	asciilifeform	so can't be the rng
14:15	mircea_popescu	why not ? how's this reasoning go ?
14:15	asciilifeform	( though today they ~mandate mechanical shuffling machines, for some reason )
14:15	mircea_popescu	you can play faro with a set of dice just as well.
14:16	asciilifeform	well they still play cards, that get shuffled, just like 500 yrs ago. unless i misunderstood the rng remark.
14:16	mircea_popescu	(in fact, the do, it's called barbut).
14:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the game has no actual use for cards, it just uses cards to generate some random numbers. it's not a card game, properly speaking, not anymore than using your car engine for powering your laptop makes the assemblage "it"
14:17	asciilifeform	aah in that sense yea
14:18	mircea_popescu	that's what i meant.
14:20	phf	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1686972 << in the same vein, though a slightly different subculture there was a super trashy ru magazine XAKEP, which was sort of combination of game/hardware reviews and script kiddie writeups in the style of 2600. they have their archive online https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/002 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/003 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/004 etc.
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14:20	a111	Logged on 2017-07-20 00:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686933 << when phf first described subj, asciilifeform thought 'what if i saw it then, would it have made sense, appealed?' but now i know -- no
14:21	asciilifeform	woah 100+MB pdf
14:21	asciilifeform	holy mother of fuck
14:21	mircea_popescu	heh
14:21	mircea_popescu	maybe it's on aluminium.
14:21	asciilifeform	aint these folx ever heard of djvu
14:21	asciilifeform	being from ru -- 0 excuse
14:22	asciilifeform	pg. 2 : 'как поиметь девочку из чата?'
14:22	phf	:D
14:22	phf	xakep magazine is sort of like "the hackers" movie. everybody made fun of it, and everybody bought a copy every month
14:22	asciilifeform	in usa this was '2600'
14:23	asciilifeform	i'll add that i ~never read ru '31333337 d00dz' material. because deadly boring, even moar thoroughly winblowz-centric than ANYTHING ever to come out of anything in usa short of microshit press itself
14:24	phf	yeah, pretty much. but 2600 has the whole "fight the powa!!1" vibe to it, this is more of a trashy 16 y/o internet club rats learning how to deface websites.
14:24	asciilifeform	lol p. 17 'how to irc'
14:24	phf	"step 1) download mIRC etc."
14:25	mircea_popescu	laugh, but from the trouble it gives randos i would expect "how to trilema" is like sitting on a warez pedestal somewhere.
14:25	mircea_popescu	"GREATEST SKILLS"
14:26	asciilifeform	'ufo detector' on p. 25
14:28	mircea_popescu	girlfriend detector ?
14:28	asciilifeform	'tv jammer' p. 32
14:28	mircea_popescu	you would expect the one useful tech could do for 15yo neh ? "left, right, left, left, there she is"
14:28	phf	article on "hacker style" "how does he dress? where he buys clothes?" "how does a real hacker speak?"
14:29	mircea_popescu	translate that bit if you will ? how does he dress ?
14:29	asciilifeform	lol i had nfi that goblin wrote for this rag, phf
14:29	phf	mircea_popescu: you missed asciilifeform's "page 2: how to get a girl from irc chat?"
14:29	asciilifeform	( p . 52 )
14:30	mircea_popescu	phf no but i mean, directional. like the metal detectors.
14:30	asciilifeform	( and 63, and prolly elsewhere )
14:30	asciilifeform	waiwat directional what
14:30	mircea_popescu	gf detector!
14:30	mircea_popescu	you know, tindr.
14:31	asciilifeform	lol iirc we had thread
14:31	asciilifeform	with mhc-compat detector.
14:32	mircea_popescu	well where is it.
14:32	asciilifeform	same place as other barely plausible martian tech, lol
14:32	mircea_popescu	fucking moths have it built in ; and rats. what's kids to do in town.
14:33	mircea_popescu	rather than deeply dubious "disease scanning arrays" from whatever stupid ho, how about the equally dubious but deeply fun "go this way" aerosol evaluator.
14:33	asciilifeform	asciilifeform actually investigated building this.
14:33	mircea_popescu	ha!
14:33	asciilifeform	but this was ( fortunately ? ) before he had money.
14:33	mircea_popescu	i't put it on the car in preference of "radar detector". who fucks radars.
14:35	mircea_popescu	fun fact : it should be able to detect A PARTY (say, mingled perfumes in trace amts) from a reasonable distance away.
14:35	asciilifeform	i thought that was what yer ears were for
14:35	mircea_popescu	i suspect this'd well beat ears.
14:35	mircea_popescu	otherwise moth's have huge ears instead of those fuzzy chemcapture devices we call antennae.
14:36	asciilifeform	did we ever do the concentrator thread ?
14:36	mircea_popescu	iirc.
14:37	asciilifeform	where asciilifeform admitted that in preference to gc/ms or other usgairport-like fancy junk, it could very well be a simpler matter of concentrating odours from air and simply piping into own nose
14:37	asciilifeform	as telescope is to eye
14:37	*	asciilifeform never found any record of such a thing being attempted
14:38	asciilifeform	there is an 'olfactometer', instrument that pumps known volume of sampled air from the room into expert nose, for gas leaks etc but is NOT same thing as subj.
14:39	asciilifeform	what you'd want here is a vortex tube, that lets dust/heavies settle into exhaust drain, air per se -- out the side pipe, and the magic fraction concentrated 100+x -- to nose.
14:39	mircea_popescu	possibly ; though i don't think i'd use this.
14:39	mircea_popescu	the whole point is to let the machine err.
14:39	asciilifeform	i dunno why mircea_popescu would even want this sort of thing
14:39	mircea_popescu	for fun!
14:40	asciilifeform	i thought mircea_popescu-style fun consisted of sitting in chair and watching the gurlz fight over which one gets to go in the door
14:40	asciilifeform	( or are they released in the forest to find later, like safari lions in 19th c... ? )
14:45	asciilifeform	revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689019 : 'XAKEP' mag stands head and shoulders above 'mondo' et al rubbish : it may be lame, but (most of) the things it describes ACTUALLY EXISTED, long-forgotten dos games, vapourware, electric schemes for 'detect ufo' that would at least detect passing truck certainly, tv jammer would in fact jam tv.
14:45	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 18:20 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1686972 << in the same vein, though a slightly different subculture there was a super trashy ru magazine XAKEP, which was sort of combination of game/hardware reviews and script kiddie writeups in the style of 2600. they have their archive online https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/002 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/003 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/004 etc.
14:46	asciilifeform	it was not the bizarre cocktail of mental illness exhibited in 'mondo'
14:46	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i do all sorts of weird shit. there's iirc trilema telling the story of me calling chick out of the blue. "how did you get thsi number ?" "i had you followed".
14:46	asciilifeform	( faith healers, esp, ufology, were on MAINSTREAM ru tv at the time. so a 'counterculture' mag ~had to~ avoid'em, see )
14:46	mircea_popescu	adding a "well, the detector pointed this way" answer to the repertoir wouldn't hurt jack.
14:47	asciilifeform	'how didja find me, lavrentiy pavlovich' 'followed'
14:47	asciilifeform	lol
14:47	mircea_popescu	xakep, what happens when hacker drinks sake.
14:47	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no but see, it's a big deal, chick didn't shit her panties.
14:48	asciilifeform	why would she
14:48	mircea_popescu	wouldn't you like to have your wine surrepetitiously drunk by such rather than the melanogaster ?
14:48	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wouldn't you shit it if you were followed and didn't notice ?
14:48	asciilifeform	if i had a cunt, wouldn't
14:48	asciilifeform	makes a diff whether yer milk or meat, neh
14:48	mircea_popescu	but most go around with this puta, neither cock nor cunt imature device.
14:49	mircea_popescu	(she, memorably, went "ok, i'ma go out for coffee" "where ?" "just fucking follow me neh.")
14:49	asciilifeform	lol!
14:52	mircea_popescu	myeah.
14:54	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2009/eu-ma-joc/#selection-29.0-41.121 << story, found meanwhile.
14:59	phf	come to think of it, for non cyrillic readers, xakep is how you spell "hacker" in ru, written in this case with latin alphabet, because it just happens that the subset of cyrillic required to write the word "hacker" in ru is also latin
15:04	mircea_popescu	except x is not h.
15:04	mircea_popescu	csaker.
15:04	phf	yeah, scratch the second part, i confused myself
15:05	mircea_popescu	csaba the csaker could be a grandiose character, though.
15:05	phf	well, also p is not r
15:05	mircea_popescu	p is r, surely.
15:06	mircea_popescu	https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/06/a5/d0/06a5d0c691cee2dd092acdc1b5d6f1ac.png << PRoof
15:09	phf	vaguely relatedly: if you drink unicode cool aid, shouldn't cyrillic latin subset like "a" be unified with the latin equivalent, along the lines of han unification? and then you introduce "linguist context surrogate" or whatever to actually give the glyph proper i18n aware shape? or perhaps that information should be contained purely in font, i.e. "russian" font has latin A rendered with russian typographic conventions. #makeunicodegreatagain
15:10	mircea_popescu	the reason they did not wish to do this is plain racism : they were afraid of me, and all the humour i was about to heap on them (the above x is not h but p is r very much apropos), and they understood (correctly) that no such scholarsip is available to yellow men.
15:10	phf	and have the other half unified with greek
15:11	mircea_popescu	(and since on it : prince csaba was the youngest son of atilla, king of the huns).
15:14	mircea_popescu	the only correct unicode, is, obviously, dated font tables. whereby i write in the year-specified letter a. and to read my modern story typeset in fraktur you have to set your computer clock to year 1199 or else the machine will refuse to print ("error! temproally-unavailable fonts detected!") much like gedit refuses to open files in gnome.
15:15	mircea_popescu	"the letter A as written in summer 2017 by MP" seems almost sufficient blather doesn't it.
15:16	mircea_popescu	(and VERY much what http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513931 is all about)
15:16	a111	Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
15:22	phf	but that's an alternative solution, since unicode claims taxonomy of symbols. "A" as written by mp in 2017 is not necessarily different from "A" written by mp during other times (but it might map to different A's within taxonomy, e.g. latin or cyrillic one). in case of japs they claim that the new symbol actually carries additional meaning
15:23	mircea_popescu	how does it not carry aditional meaning ?
15:24	mircea_popescu	for one thing, sometimes my a is /a/ and sometimes /ə/. and even some other times /ɨ/.
15:25	mircea_popescu	and this is not to count the various jokes, and puns, and that in turn is to not count all the cases where i'm fucking with the fucking with it deliberately.
15:26	phf	hmm
15:26	phf	well, i have to conveniently go afk at this point :)
15:28	mircea_popescu	laters :)
15:36	asciilifeform	the sane solution , if hieroglyphs are your thing, is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684293
15:36	a111	Logged on 2017-07-15 16:48 asciilifeform: they wanna say 妓 -- let'em be stuck saying 32 bytes (16x16 bit matrix, more than enough for any hierohorror) rather than 2 bytes !!!
15:36	asciilifeform	^ searchable, too.
15:37	asciilifeform	which is more than you can say for multibyte turdicode
15:38	asciilifeform	if they want fancy calligraphy, let'em recognize and substitute the 16x16 bitmap with a fancy.
15:38	asciilifeform	but bitmap oughta be the canonical form.
15:38	asciilifeform	and ~directly~ blittable.
15:45	deedbot	http://trilema.com/2017/beating-that-spark-of-heaven/ << Trilema - Beating, that spark of heaven
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16:07	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im pretty sure 16x16 "is not enough" because, for instance, "you can not tell if the strokes were made in the correct order"
16:07	asciilifeform	nah, enough
16:07	asciilifeform	to be readable .
16:07	mircea_popescu	this is imperialism!
16:08	asciilifeform	let'em suck it and be happy that they get to write their monkeylang at all.
16:08	mircea_popescu	chinese matron requires to know whether author was drunk at time of writing.
16:08	asciilifeform	and what day of menses the menstruade used as ink was from aha
16:09	mircea_popescu	and during which letters.
16:11	asciilifeform	incidentally, the 32byte thing will compress ok. just like earthling langs do.
16:12	asciilifeform	( and keeps compressor where it belongs - simple and on the generic outside, rather than specific per monkeylang )
16:15	asciilifeform	i dun even give a fuck whether chinese get to write their hieroglyphs . but i'd like to insert occasional nabla or whatnot , greek etc without swapping code pages.
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16:40	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> mebbe you inprinted on teh sideways glance. << /me suspects this is how alf evals chix, sideways glance suggest greater activity than staring
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17:11	asciilifeform	at the cost of a bit of log clutter, let's indulge asciilifeform's crackpottery, and lay out 妓 ( U+5993 : whore ) :
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17:12	asciilifeform	000100000010000
17:12	asciilifeform	000100000010000
17:12	asciilifeform	000100000010000
17:12	asciilifeform	000100111111111
17:12	asciilifeform	111111000010000
17:12	asciilifeform	001001000010000
17:12	asciilifeform	001001000010000
17:12	asciilifeform	001001011111110
17:12	asciilifeform	001001001000010
17:12	asciilifeform	010010001000100
17:12	asciilifeform	001010000100100
17:13	asciilifeform	000100000101000
17:13	asciilifeform	001010000010000
17:13	asciilifeform	010001000101000
17:13	asciilifeform	100000011000100
17:13	asciilifeform	000001100000011
17:13	asciilifeform	there we go.
17:13	asciilifeform	now cut it down the middle vertically, and walk left to right, and you get the 32 bytes.
17:15	asciilifeform	( gotta add a col of 0s, lol. but worx )
17:23	asciilifeform	or... drumroll... :
17:23	asciilifeform	08100810081009ff7e101210121012fe12422444142408281410222840c40303 .
17:24	asciilifeform	~fin~
17:25	asciilifeform	it's a mighty mouthful to say 1 word 'whore', BUT it compresses ok -- even if all you use is runlength code.
17:27	asciilifeform	and it 'sits on the cock AND eats the fish', in that hieroglyphists get ( if painfully ) to have their nonsense, BUT they also get to feel what it actually costs. and at the same time NO explicit support for any particular hieroglyph clutters yours or my box.
17:30	asciilifeform	a clever man might be able to think of something involving vectorized 'brush strokes' rather than raster. might be moar searchable. but inevitably moar complex also.
17:31	asciilifeform	i find it interesting that -- afaik -- nobody in actual asia thought of EITHER approach.
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17:31	asciilifeform	or certainly nobody both thought + implemented.
17:31	asciilifeform	instead 'consensus' derp.
17:40	asciilifeform	!!up user705
17:40	deedbot	user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
17:40	user705	hello
17:41	asciilifeform	what brings you here, user705 ?
17:42	user705	learning to properly do this btc
17:42	asciilifeform	and...?
17:42	user705	is this guide still more or less valid http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/
17:42	asciilifeform	sure
17:43	user705	also what should one use for email?
17:43	asciilifeform	nothing at all
17:43	asciilifeform	don't use email.
17:43	user705	seems harsh
17:43	asciilifeform	not really. what's the point
17:44	BingoBoingo	4srs, email's just a marketing vector
17:44	user705	even on qntra and trilemma it asks for one I guess the question is what option is less bad
17:44	asciilifeform	user705: it happile eats foo@bar.com etc
17:45	asciilifeform	*happily
17:47	user705	my old brain wants to say "but how ..."
17:47	asciilifeform	like-so.
17:50	BingoBoingo	user705: It's an iq test/spam filter element. If email address is an email address comment not marked spam on that point. Is email address used for anything else? no
17:50	BingoBoingo	No email sent
17:50	BingoBoingo	Simply but a string in that isn't formatted unlike an email address, at least on qntra
17:51	mircea_popescu	so i joined the whores going to the gym. my first time in a gym at that! it was discovered that yes i'm a lot more powerful than they are, but i have neither the flexibility nor the endurance.
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17:52	mircea_popescu	house is now fulla giddy and ima be eating cunt all day long.
17:52	BingoBoingo	lol
17:52	BingoBoingo	gotta work on that stamina
17:52	mircea_popescu	honestly i'd rather work on that tuna.
17:53	user705	yeah flexibility will always be a losing battle since their bodies were designed to pop out clones but stamina is just a matter of conditioning
17:53	mircea_popescu	i don't particularly want to be as flexible as a vixen willow in any case.
17:53	user705	yep
17:54	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> honestly i'd rather work on that tuna. << Tongue is a collection of muscles that can condition for endurance!
17:57	user705	read somewhere that the whole eating pussy thing has gained popularity only recently because of big dicks in porn
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17:57	user705	the tit sucking thing is bound to be a leftover from childhood but certainly not eating a chick out
18:07	BingoBoingo	It happens because girl is present, erections are the limiting factor in fucking, and girl's still there to interact with.
18:10	asciilifeform	!!up user705
18:10	deedbot	user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
18:12	user705	apologies but last question on the email thing. what about exchanges, localbitcoin, etc... gotta be some way of interacting with the outside world is there really no place for email here?
18:12	asciilifeform	what outside.
18:14	mod6	<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688962 << woah : facechix!! << hottie
18:14	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 17:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at teh club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/90688d90d3207ffb7a2d1179f07c9b10/tumblr_o915ywAHth1vshvsro1_1280.jpg
18:18	asciilifeform	mod6: ever tried any of http://www.dragonlace.net gnats ?
18:19	asciilifeform	on your bsd boxen
18:19	asciilifeform	i'm about to attempt openbsd gnat
18:20	PeterL	In the scheme described http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613906
18:20	a111	Logged on 2017-02-14 19:19 asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r
18:20	BingoBoingo	user705: Well, you get your penis hard and you stick it in the outside world. If you aren't sure of the safety of doing so at the time, you may begin with broomstick.
18:20	asciilifeform	PeterL: ?
18:21	deedbot	http://qntra.net/2017/07/swedish-railroad-consults-masses-trainy-mctrainface-results/ << Qntra - Swedish Railroad Consults Masses: Trainy McTrainface Results
18:21	PeterL	is it sufficient to put x and y together, or does it only work if they are sent to two different keys?
18:21	asciilifeform	sufficient for what??
18:21	PeterL	sufficient to work as message padding for rsa-grams?
18:22	asciilifeform	no, they gotta be unrelated keys.
18:22	asciilifeform	otherwise it may be possible to build a lattice and solve.
18:22	PeterL	aha
18:22	asciilifeform	the described scheme is identical to the one for adding cipher strenghts in 'best of'.
18:22	asciilifeform	*strengths
18:23	PeterL	could they be put into one udp-gram, like decrypt the first half with key one, and the second half with key two, then xor to get message?
18:23	asciilifeform	( lessay you HAD to use a block cipher, and want to combine aes, serpent, and gost, such that to GUARANTEE the best strength of the 3 )
18:23	asciilifeform	PeterL: udpgram, or papyrus, it dun matter
18:24	asciilifeform	in my draft of 'g', they went in udpgram.
18:24	PeterL	(I have been thinking about gossipd, it is a fascinating subject)
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18:24	BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/VSCw3 lol http://qntra.net/2017/07/miners-signal-segwit-via-bip-91-lock-in-avoiding-user-activated-fork/#comment-105892
18:25	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'bribing exchanges' to shitcoin, lol
18:26	asciilifeform	( why not go to usg mint and 'bribe' them to print for you some moolah ? )
18:26	asciilifeform	( with... what? )
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18:28	asciilifeform	PeterL: re rsa 'padding', see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589901 .
18:28	a111	Logged on 2016-12-24 01:11 asciilifeform: so one ~horrid~ padding algo would be to get a bitstring from my rng, xor the message to it, then send a message of 2x length of original consisting of: [the bitstring from rng][the result of the xor]
18:29	PeterL	yeah, I was wondering about how it was horrid, but then later you suggested it as a good idea, I see the difference is having two separate keys encrypting the two parts
18:29	asciilifeform	VERY significant diff.
18:30	mod6	<+asciilifeform> mod6: ever tried any of http://www.dragonlace.net gnats ? << ah no, not yet
18:30	mod6	<+asciilifeform> i'm about to attempt openbsd gnat << sweet, let me know how it goes, i've got a obsd box.
18:30	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Worst part is site made on "wix.com" never loads directly on real browsers
18:31	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: watsthis
18:32	PeterL	so I wanted to make sure I understood this correctly, if you have an RSA encrypted message, you cannot say which key it was encrypted to just by looking at it, right?
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18:32	asciilifeform	PeterL: if you have a) a range of candidate keys or b) a handful of ciphertexts --- you can
18:32	asciilifeform	( a is elementary, and you can do with bare hands. b is trickier but entirely doable, how many you need varies based on bit count of modulus )
18:33	PeterL	so for gossipd, I get a message, and (assuming it was encrypted to me) I can tell which of my keys it was encrypted to
18:34	mod6	asciilifeform: with dragonlace, are you testing with binaries or are you pulling from the src repo?
18:34	asciilifeform	mod6: bin at first
18:35	asciilifeform	( recall, you can't build gnat without gnat )
18:35	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689201 << nonsense, read napoleon's letters to the j-slut.
18:35	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 21:57 user705: read somewhere that the whole eating pussy thing has gained popularity only recently because of big dicks in porn
18:35	mod6	<+asciilifeform> ( recall, you can't build gnat without gnat ) << yeah, was the reason i asked. hehe
18:36	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689230 << word.
18:36	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 22:24 PeterL: (I have been thinking about gossipd, it is a fascinating subject)
18:39	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689234 <<< with their continued existence. "bitcoin" exchanges === tor.
18:39	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 22:26 asciilifeform: ( with... what? )
18:40	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689243 << depends what you mean by "rsa encrypted message". a) current rsa "encryption" as implemented by koch-gpg et al consists of encrypting a symmetric key. trivial to test this against a number of rsa keys. b) conceivably item will include a courtesy key fp to help you know.
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18:40	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 22:32 PeterL: so I wanted to make sure I understood this correctly, if you have an RSA encrypted message, you cannot say which key it was encrypted to just by looking at it, right?
18:41	mircea_popescu	even without b, there are numeric methods to sort out whether your keys will work or not, such as trying each one.
18:41	PeterL	no, I was imagining straight RSA
18:42	mircea_popescu	in the worst case it is not trivial to compute the fingerprint of an unknwn key that can decrypt an impredictable plaintext.
18:43	mod6	ok asciilifeform, dropped "OpenBSD64 4.8 binary" on my obsd 5.6. reason being, is that that version seems to be the only x86_64 version?? not sure there. but it /looks/ promising. after extracting the binaries, tried to use it to gnatmake fact + ffa, but was unsuccessful because:
18:43	mod6	[17:32:00 mod6@obsd: ~/ada/fact]% gnatmake ffa ffa_fact
18:43	mod6	gnatmake: can't load library 'libc.so.56.0'
18:43	mod6	# find /usr -name "libc.so*"
18:43	mod6	/usr/lib/libc.so.77.0
18:44	asciilifeform	mod6: i'm using the i386, on old lappy, and it dies similarly
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18:44	asciilifeform	dynamically linked liquishit.
18:44	mod6	aha. ok.
18:44	*	asciilifeform sets the final bozo bit on openbsd and everyone involved
18:45	mod6	not a huge surprise, perhaps with all the right things in place (if that's even possible) and it "works" then one could build a real one from it's source.
18:46	mod6	but yat chicken-egg is biting us here.
18:46	asciilifeform	mod6: i have yet to hear of ANY actual argument in favour of wasting yet moar hours of life on bsd.
18:46	asciilifeform	it's a black hole.
18:46	mod6	i've honestly had a bitch of a time with it recently.
18:47	mod6	(re: reading from the rs232, and now this, ya.)
18:47	mod6	tmsr-os (cuntoo) will pick up where bsd leaves off.
18:49	PeterL	I like the name cuntoo, it's catchy
18:49	mod6	as far as freebsd, I feel like the 4.3 was pretty good, but there was a lot of in-fighting regarding technical decisions. this lead to Matt Dillon leaving and forking dragonfly.
18:49	mod6	it seemed to have a slow decline from there.
18:50	mod6	this is all pre SMP type shit, and trying to figure all of that out. ofc, my memory is a bit sketchy, that was like ... 14 years ago.
18:50	asciilifeform	my last bsd was freebsd 4.7
18:50	asciilifeform	well, before this last attempt
18:50	mod6	for the apt-student, im sure all of the emails are still out there on their majordomo or whatever the fuck.
18:51	shinohai	!!v DE98A1C799541339B6A1E48C60BA9F1AD26A0F7D5D74D4E35C488E0E076FF802
18:51	asciilifeform	my last ~happy~ bsd was 4.7..
18:51	shinohai	!!v DE98A1C799541339B6A1E48C60BA9F1AD26A0F7D5D74D4E35C488E0E076FF802
18:51	deedbot	shinohai rated sina 1 << Python mp-fhf works as advertised, though I suggest http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/ for future license.
18:53	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689257 << lol for some reason i assumed he was asking about whether ~enemy~ can tell, from traffic
18:53	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 22:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689243 << depends what you mean by "rsa encrypted message". a) current rsa "encryption" as implemented by koch-gpg et al consists of encrypting a symmetric key. trivial to test this against a number of rsa keys. b) conceivably item will include a courtesy key fp to help you know.
18:53	asciilifeform	rather than intended recipient.
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18:54	BingoBoingo	<mod6> ok asciilifeform, dropped "OpenBSD64 4.8 binary" on my obsd 5.6. reason being, is that that version seems to be the only x86_64 version?? not sure there. but it /looks/ promising. after extracting the binaries, tried to use it to gnatmake fact + ffa, but was unsuccessful because: << Gotta use OBSD 4.8, binaries are not compatible across .1 revisions
18:54	PeterL	no, I was thinking: friend sends you message, now you have to pick a key to decrypt with
18:56	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the tards dynamicallylinked libc
18:56	asciilifeform	just like linuxtards lately do
18:56	asciilifeform	entirely and completely cremating whatever motherfucking point their worthless piece of shit had for a justification of existence to begin with
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18:58	asciilifeform	!!up user705
18:58	deedbot	user705 voiced for 30 minutes.
19:02	PeterL	I understand the "decrypt with each key until the message looks like a good message", but I was trying to think of the algorith for saying "that must be a good message"?
19:04	asciilifeform	PeterL: that's guaranteed to work.
19:08	user705	if anything the letters of napoleon show the opposite. obviously eating out didn't get invented yesterday but if anything what the royal monarch did it was not for the plebes
19:09	mircea_popescu	napoleon was a plebe.
19:09	user705	I mistyped that
19:09	user705	plebian
19:10	mircea_popescu	i suppose you could propose they were some sort of minor nobility or whatever, but it's at best tenuous. for all intents and purposes napoleon was a sort of hitler, lower middle class at best.
19:11	asciilifeform	the idjit aristos created him.
19:11	user705	at the time of the letters he was not though
19:11	asciilifeform	just as surely as later created hitler.
19:11	asciilifeform	or rotting redditfood in dumpster creates the fly.
19:11	mircea_popescu	user705 are you proposing the emperor changed his private customs to suit the habits of the just-beheaded aristocracy ?
19:13	user705	not at all. my original point was that the eating out of chicks is coming back into vogue so to speak because of the wide availability of porn where the mail talent is larger then average thus genpop of males is more conscious of making sure a female finishes ergo more eating out
19:14	PeterL	ah, I guess my question is answered by having the "challenge pattern", which I guess you give to new contacts when you give them your pubkey
19:14	mircea_popescu	i can't imagine who'd eat a girl out out of feeling of obligation.
19:15	mircea_popescu	leaving aside who the fuck cares what the pron dudes do. what, i'm going to fuck a girl in that god-awful position of her straddling with her back to me because there's a camera in my livingroom too ?
19:16	user705	positions is just the need for variety. normal human function there.
19:17	PeterL	my last question, is gossipd supposed to automatically share peer information with other peers to build up the network, or is all peer addition supposed to be manual?
19:17	mircea_popescu	some don't work though. the one discussed is entirely made so the CAMERA can see the tits and cunt, and as little of the dood as palatable to 80s audiences.
19:17	mircea_popescu	it thankfully went away, but d'amato's stuff is full of it.
19:17	mircea_popescu	PeterL entirely operator decision.
19:17	PeterL	ok, that makes sense
19:18	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689291 << well it was ambiguous. not sure it can not be ambiguous at that.
19:18	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 22:53 asciilifeform: rather than intended recipient.
19:18	asciilifeform	PeterL: ideally a bare minimum of automatics.
19:19	mircea_popescu	certainly none of those "behind the curtain" "for the good of all involved" sorta automatics.
19:19	user705	but once it's out there the brain wants to try it and with that I bid you adieu to go try some positions
19:19	mircea_popescu	become annoyingly fashionable of late, that sorta crap, too.
19:20	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689296 << lol but how do you REALLY feel!
19:20	a111	Logged on 2017-07-22 22:56 asciilifeform: entirely and completely cremating whatever motherfucking point their worthless piece of shit had for a justification of existence to begin with
19:22	mod6	BingoBoingo: makes sense, I just dun have a 4.8 avail atm
19:22	mircea_popescu	am i the only one doing chicks that don't specifically expect to or want to come every time ?
19:22	shinohai	Nah you're not alone, I'm not about that annoying shit either.
19:22	mircea_popescu	lol. no but i mean, is she.
19:23	shinohai	Nope.
19:24	PeterL	this has been enlightening, I have to feed the kiddos now, but I always read the logs
19:24	*	asciilifeform goes to feed the... somethingelse
19:36	mircea_popescu	and speaking of, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1b41ac407e45f23b7f2b08fa6c5baa9f/tumblr_nr2k0ooNxd1rvxb4uo1_400.gif
19:37	shinohai	"Train your slave to test for radiator hose leaks with this one weird trick!"
19:38	mircea_popescu	esp useful if you buy a ship.
19:49	mircea_popescu	!!key bluthw
19:49	deedbot	http://wot.deedbot.org/7338F12D6D59BFACF0D9F81CC3262D070A3BF734
19:50	mircea_popescu	trinque ^ ?
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20:02	mircea_popescu	holy mother of god. in other unexpected user behaviours, i give you http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-07-23.log.html#t00:00:12
20:02	lobbesbot	Logged on 2017-07-23 00:00:12: <bluthw> ok this is what I did (6:39:01 PM) bluthw: !!register wotpaste url from above
20:03	BingoBoingo	BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
20:03	asciilifeform	'make me a tasty sandwich'
20:04	asciilifeform	'you are now a tasty sandwich'
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20:04	asciilifeform	(tm)(r)( mircea_popescu )
20:04	mircea_popescu	dexter's laboratory, rly.
20:04	*	asciilifeform not familiar
20:05	mircea_popescu	1990s was great in the us for one thing only -- cartoons. dexter's lab, cow and chicken, animaniacs... true revival of the genre.
20:05	asciilifeform	i saw that last 1
20:08	mircea_popescu	might check out cow and chicken. very iconoclastic.
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20:08	*	asciilifeform puts on list.
20:09	asciilifeform	i actually liked a recent (gasp) item, 'rick & morty'
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20:09	asciilifeform	for some reason very, in my mind's eye, trilema-flavour.
20:10	mircea_popescu	mr fleur in http://trilema.com/2017/mom/ is direct nod to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW2B3lPUeQ8
20:24	asciilifeform	'cause when you are ugly they dun come and sting you and hold you over a flame!' -- lel
		~ 27 minutes ~
20:51	BingoBoingo	http://blog.therealcostarica.com/2007/04/04/like-caterpillars/
20:53	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: hey at least they don't (afaik!) have the lonomia
20:53	asciilifeform	( ' lazy clown' )
20:54	asciilifeform	( https://archive.is/ww2pZ and elsewhere )
20:54	asciilifeform	1 touch -- like cobra bite
20:55	asciilifeform	places white folx dun live -- typically dun live 'for a reason'. see the tsetse fly thread.
20:56	asciilifeform	and incidentally such places were CONSIDERABLY moar numerous pre- ddt.
21:07	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i've yet to be stung by anything. reports of dangerous wildlife experimentally exaggerated.
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21:11	mircea_popescu	and in other texas lulz, http://www.collarspace.com/details.asp?v=2664826&bhcp=1
21:13	shinohai	The 47 lbs in `147` must be in the tits
21:14	mircea_popescu	the email is the best part.
21:14	mircea_popescu	i'm giving it even odds it's some ethereum expert in his spare time.
21:16	shinohai	https://tineye.com/search/c57585e8d3fd7b3905ef562637e9f80021233375/
21:16	shinohai	lol
21:18	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2016/kismia-dating-scam/#selection-27.17-27.29 ~same story, nystrom rather than riley
21:25	mod6	<+asciilifeform> 'you are now a tasty sandwich' << kekekek
		~ 15 minutes ~
21:40	mircea_popescu	!!key bluthw
21:40	deedbot	http://wot.deedbot.org/7338F12D6D59BFACF0D9F81CC3262D070A3BF734
21:41	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in switzerland, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4e2d39eae0b876f2f8d6c403b19f7971/tumblr_o64p0pZToy1uneq3ho1_1280.jpg
21:43	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i've yet to be stung by anything. reports of dangerous wildlife experimentally exaggerated. << Well what caterpillar of doom can penetrate your impecable suit jackets on a casual brushing?
21:47	mircea_popescu	but still!
21:48	asciilifeform	lol public shitter photo
21:48	asciilifeform	wai are these so common
21:48	asciilifeform	no mirror at home ?
21:48	asciilifeform	no tripod ?
21:49	mircea_popescu	cheap'n'easy
21:50	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-23#1689365 << mircea_popescu has asciilifeform wholly beat on this score : i get stung by some horror ~every time i step out doors in summer
21:50	a111	Logged on 2017-07-23 01:07 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i've yet to be stung by anything. reports of dangerous wildlife experimentally exaggerated.
21:51	*	BingoBoingo occasionally get bitten by mosquito and less frequently collides with Cicada killer wasp
21:51	asciilifeform	no lonomia yet tho. i'm a little surprised that nobody's tried to introduce it to north amer. imho it'd fit right in.
21:51	mircea_popescu	prolly not hot or wet enough.
21:51	asciilifeform	( there was a proposal to introduce lions to u.s. flyovers. but afaik went nowhere, insufficient bison )
21:52	BingoBoingo	Middle west is wet enough, but not consistently hot
21:52	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: hot and wet like the best sf prison venus , here
21:52	mircea_popescu	it should be noted that i have at least a dozen different wasp nests actively maintained all about.
21:52	asciilifeform	and perhaps one day even yr round
21:52	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> ( there was a proposal to introduce lions to u.s. flyovers. but afaik went nowhere, insufficient bison ) << Mountain lion is restablishing self at own pace
21:52	mircea_popescu	one particularly active hive is trying to eat up a whole window.
21:52	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: mountain 'lion' is poor man's lion
21:53	mircea_popescu	actually, savannah lion does not actively hunt people. mountain lion - does.
21:53	asciilifeform	dunno that actively
21:53	mircea_popescu	o ya. very much in its prey envelope.
21:53	BingoBoingo	actively if bicycle is involved apparently
21:59	asciilifeform	in other mircea_popescuinity: asciilifeform: 'how were you going to prepare' pet: 'by.. worrying!' asciilifeform: 'that'd be stupid' pet: '...tru, isnnit'
21:59	mircea_popescu	ha
22:03	deedbot	http://qntra.net/2017/07/minneapolis-loses-first-native-american-female-and-openly-gay-police-chiefs-in-tripartite-resignation/ << Qntra - Minneapolis Loses First Native American, Female, And Openly Gay Police Chiefs In Tripartite Resignation
		~ 23 minutes ~
22:27	mircea_popescu	so basically somali was playing with gun, accidentally discharged it ?
22:27	mod6	lot of mpls news lately 'eh
22:28	mircea_popescu	meanwhile at proper cocksucker's camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4d49d28ffd07d3011ddfd6cf1d48c6e5/tumblr_nid4a9hWFi1qksjw9o1_400.gif
22:28	mircea_popescu	!!key elleross
22:28	deedbot	http://wot.deedbot.org/D904455927A32F35CEBA76159266893667C147B8.asc
22:28	phf	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-23#1689354 << i like rick&morty but i think it suffers from the whole human element thing as far being "tmsr like". for example if you take original sherlock holmes, there's not really any attempts to either humanize or dehumanize him, he was just doing his thing, brilliantly, and it was the raison d'etre. take on the other hand modern remake, where half of the narrative is devoted to "oh, he's brilliant, BUT CAN HE SOLVE
22:28	a111	Logged on 2017-07-23 00:09 asciilifeform: i actually liked a recent (gasp) item, 'rick & morty'
22:28	phf	THE MYSTERY OF HUMAN LOVE". they go at it from all kinds of angles, his relationship with watson, his relationship with cops, his relationship with random english suburban twats; all written from a perspective of "he's alien, but maybe he's just the rest of us blokes, once you get to know him like, maybe grab a pint on sunday". an element completely missing from the originals.
22:29	mircea_popescu	kinda the splooge that makes usian copywriting unreadable.
22:29	phf	so in rick&morty you have the whole "rick is an asshole", but they can't just leave him be an asshole, they have to deconstruct it, show the human side, etc.
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22:29	mircea_popescu	can't have a faux media piece without "on the day of the moon landing i was eating an apple pie" '''human''' bullshit.
22:34	phf	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688780
22:34	a111	Logged on 2017-07-21 20:00 phf: "helllooo springfield!!!1 --- omg it's us, he's talking about us"
22:34	mircea_popescu	kek
22:35	mircea_popescu	of course the deep reason is that 1800s brit didn't need to be told he's human ; because he spent ~0 hours of any day wondering on this topic.
22:36	phf	it's very tlp, media telling you how to be human
22:36	asciilifeform	phf: as with all us-produced film of recent decades, it tastes ok only after filleting.
22:38	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i expect the kabuki will grow, it has room to grow. perhaps film of near future will have hero taking a shit many times during $adventure, to remind audience that 'he is hyooman Just Liek YOU' etc
22:39	phf	i was thinking of the british tv show with benedict cumberbatch, but same thing, yes. the one where they made him addicted to nicotine patches.
22:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is imo the great value of that applegate film.
22:40	asciilifeform	which
22:40	mircea_popescu	terrible film, yes, but the inversion is STRIKING!
22:40	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2016/vacation/#selection-59.0-63.278
22:40	mircea_popescu	"The sad truth of the matter is that the ustard male inverses the story of his revered antecessors. If a century ago the youth, inept like all youths, stubborn like all youths, took a whole two minutes to start on his journey of exploration and then proceeded to actually journey for an hour and a half, the manchild of "modern democracy" takes about an hour to finally, grudgingly, angrily proceed to travel for a whole two minu
22:40	mircea_popescu	tes before the story rapidly folds as if this horror of horrors, the fucking trip, is so scary it can't even be contemplated, just a glimpse suffices and should be immediately forgotten."
22:41	asciilifeform	dun sound too appetizing
22:41	mircea_popescu	it isn't really. professional interest only.
22:44	mircea_popescu	as amy once said, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688788
22:44	a111	Logged on 2017-07-21 20:05 mircea_popescu: says the fucking words, you know ? "you should be stronger than me". dood...
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23:03	BingoBoingo	Shot blondie from inside oppression wagon while bondie approached
23:05	BingoBoingo	<phf> i was thinking of the british tv show with benedict cumberbatch, but same thing, yes. the one where they made him addicted to nicotine patches. << I though people got addicted to the gum
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23:05	BingoBoingo	Patches have horrible kinetics for addiction
23:06	BingoBoingo	!!Up ziiip
23:06	deedbot	ziiip voiced for 30 minutes.
		~ 29 minutes ~
23:35	BingoBoingo	!!Up Birdman
23:35	deedbot	Birdman voiced for 30 minutes.
23:36	BingoBoingo	Birdman: What bring you flying in around these parts
23:36	Birdman	better to fly around here than elsewhere, dont mind me
23:38	BingoBoingo	Ah, I mean from eulora. Just wondering if there's something bringing you over to this side of the tracks now instead of any other time.

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