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01:23 mircea_popescu one lulzy bit being that the gmx account is known-compromised since cca 2013.
01:24 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/20/420-peaceful-pale-and-placated/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - 420: Peaceful, pale, and placated.
01:25 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/637F4B334BCB5B65796568FDDF4746ECF7E27F24C0342EBD1D97EEFC0E932C57 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1626...0959 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.231 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR2164NSM5R-We-Or-Ca-c3917-568-D. US CA)
01:25 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/637F4B334BCB5B65796568FDDF4746ECF7E27F24C0342EBD1D97EEFC0E932C57 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...4809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.231 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR2164NSM5R-We-Or-Ca-c3917-568-D. US CA)
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01:27 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: cute little portal to the netherworld you got there
01:28 ben_vulpes gotta brick those up before the flying ones start coming through
01:30 mircea_popescu eh, i dun specifically care. just leaving it in the log for the next time usg goes "oh usg.twitter has 4398573498759834795 users"
01:30 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646602 <<< doesn't work that way
01:30 a111 Logged on 2017-04-20 21:50 pete_dushenski: and who the fuck wants old cessna ? guaranteed death trap.
01:37 davout engines are regularly changed when their potential is up
01:38 davout the only really significant categories, from a safety point of view, are single vs. multi engines
01:39 mircea_popescu and prop vs jet.
01:39 davout i don't think it makes any difference from a safety pov
01:39 mircea_popescu o.O
01:42 davout also props can mean a piston engine, as well as a turbo-prop
01:42 mircea_popescu there is that.
01:49 pete_dushenski davout: does one pilot v. two pilots matter as much as i suspect it does (ie. quite a lot) ?
01:49 mircea_popescu well theres no multi-pilot single props
01:49 davout i don't think it does matter that much, there's usually two pilots because there's more buttons
01:50 davout not really because of the need for a "backup pilot"
01:50 pete_dushenski hm
01:50 davout yeah, i can't think of any multi-crew single piston engines
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01:51 davout i think single engine turbo prop could be multi-crew
01:52 pete_dushenski i guess i like my pilots like i like my kidneys. not 'rational' or 'efficient' but what can i say. then again, it's not like i'll be flying anything other than commerical for the forseeable future
01:54 davout i was told that the risk of flying non-commercial single engines was roughly equivalent to motor-biking
01:54 pete_dushenski o hey oilers come from behind. 4-3 in ot to lead series 3-2
01:55 davout one casualty per ~25k flight hours
01:55 pete_dushenski makes sense
01:55 davout usually the pilot being a derp
01:56 davout flying into clouds, forgetting to switch the fuel tank selector to the full one, that kind of stuff
01:58 pete_dushenski so flying as a passenger in a single engine, single pilot is like riding bitch on a bike. lol nothx!
01:58 davout pretty much
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08:26 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646705 << waiwat?!
08:26 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 05:50 davout: yeah, i can't think of any multi-crew single piston engines
08:26 asciilifeform wtf is, e.g., http://www.micheloud.com/fxm/flying/Scans/152Panel.jpg then
08:26 asciilifeform and i dun think you can even GET a 'cessna' with 1 set of controls.
08:27 asciilifeform does 'multi-crew' means something else to davout ?
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08:58 davout yes.
08:59 davout multi crew means "must be operated by two pilots"
08:59 davout not "dual commands"
09:00 asciilifeform thread started with 'does one pilot v. two pilots matter as much as i suspect it does' tho
09:00 asciilifeform and 'theres no multi-pilot single props' -- which is plainly wrong
09:00 asciilifeform make the woman learn -- instant 2nd pilot.
09:01 davout it seems we have a different definition of "pilot"
09:03 davout multi-pilot is a term of art
09:06 asciilifeform what, it means literally MUST have both d00dz, or emergency land ?!
09:06 asciilifeform seems like an idiot design.
09:07 asciilifeform which machine actually works like this ?
09:09 davout asciilifeform: pretty much every commercial jet, and every turbo-prop must be operated by two pilots
09:10 asciilifeform so, pilot suddenly dies, machine is somewhere over atlantic. it drops immediately..?
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09:11 asciilifeform wtf is the point of the two wheels, then.
09:15 davout of course it doesn't drop
09:16 asciilifeform so what means 'must be operated by two pilots' then
09:16 davout one pilot can land it just fine, but he'll need ATC assistance to lighten the workload
09:16 davout like priority over other aircraft for example
09:17 davout the workload can get very important at times
09:18 davout also having two pilots enable them to cross-check each other, which is pretty fucking important to not forget anything
09:18 asciilifeform makes sense
09:19 davout but with some help from ATC, a private pilot could land an A320
09:19 asciilifeform weren't there instances of folx entirely uninvolved with aviation (save for buying the ticket) 'landing with help from atc' ?
09:20 asciilifeform or is this legend.
09:20 davout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htg0VKt3j_w&feature=youtu.be&t=84
09:20 davout autoland is a thing
09:21 davout push the correct knobs and the airplanr will just land itself in 0 visibility
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09:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mRRjZ/?raw=true
09:38 asciilifeform got it
09:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646720 << is your comp multicrew ?
09:41 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 12:27 asciilifeform: does 'multi-crew' means something else to davout ?
09:42 asciilifeform mine - nope
09:42 mircea_popescu god knows it can take KVM up the ying-yang.
09:42 mircea_popescu ah, but is the standard ~can~ ? or what ?
09:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646733 << "must have two pilots" is a standard for being cleared to take-off, not reviewed in-flight.
09:43 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 13:10 asciilifeform: so, pilot suddenly dies, machine is somewhere over atlantic. it drops immediately..?
09:43 mircea_popescu gotta study this stuff alfie, it's one of the first, and to date one of the best, examples of process engineering.
09:45 mircea_popescu (that's not actually correct - also reviewed in flight. fail the check and your itinerary changes from "to destination" to "to closest viable airport". conditions apply.)
09:46 asciilifeform ^ was my q to davout
09:46 asciilifeform ~does~ it in fact 'switch to nearest airport'
09:46 asciilifeform like, e.g., losing 1 of 2 motors
09:47 mircea_popescu it does yes.
09:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAC4686DDB5C978811948E4EB2313875EE791A37630CBD7814E6AF7306480C74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1681...1477 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.195.177.230 (ssh-rsa key from 217.195.177.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK)
09:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAC4686DDB5C978811948E4EB2313875EE791A37630CBD7814E6AF7306480C74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...4643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.195.177.230 (ssh-rsa key from 217.195.177.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK)
09:50 davout asciilifeform: yeah, you divert if such a thing happens
09:50 mircea_popescu anyway. small planes (ie, single pilot) make emergency landings (ie, landing otherwise than in flight plan) for all sorts of reasons. chief among them bad weather -- the small shits have icing problems and are really dependent on atmosphere playing nice with the nutshell, and in the more responsible also the pilot deciding he's tireder than he thought.,
09:50 davout one task of the pilots is to constantly be able to instantly answer "shit happens, where go?"
09:50 mircea_popescu failure to do the later resulted in some pretty fucking spectacular fits of cfit back in the 60s.
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10:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MrERx/?raw=true
10:15 asciilifeform in other lulzies, https://archive.is/KDPpW << 'US authorities have prepared charges to seek the arrest of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange' >> good ol' trials in absentia
10:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8g9BE/?raw=true
10:15 mircea_popescu and i thought they were trying to arrest the dude since day 0, what.
10:16 mircea_popescu why was he embassy hopping, for boredom ?
10:17 asciilifeform upgraded nao, apparently, from 'rapist' to 'ru spy'
10:19 asciilifeform https://archive.is/kMgAE << see also
10:20 mircea_popescu lol. this has nothing to do with him, it's simply a relfection of the fact that "worst baddest MR GOLDSTEIN" went from "Rapist" to "Russian Spy" since Trump cunt-punched rapist off the board.
10:20 asciilifeform 'Mike Pompeo, director of the Central Intelligence Agency ... "WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service," he said in prepared remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Assange is a narcissist who has created nothing of value," Pompeo said. "He relies on the dirty work of other to make himself famous. He is a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen. "And
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10:20 asciilifeform in Kansas, we know something about false Wizards," said the former Kansas congressman in his first public remarks as CIA director. Pompeo accused "Assange and his ilk" of making common cause with dictators as "they try unsuccessfully to cloak themselves and their actions in the language of liberty and privacy."'
10:20 asciilifeform didjaknow.
10:20 asciilifeform well noshit it has 0 to do with him.
10:20 mircea_popescu lol teh 2 minute hate.
10:20 asciilifeform high-quality.
10:21 mircea_popescu this is very braindamaged, even for the usually stupid bureaucrat. if the guy did nothing then why is he sought ?
10:32 mod6 Mornin'
10:32 mircea_popescu hola
10:32 mod6 Update: eatblock now @ 353K+ blocks, into blk0017.
10:32 mircea_popescu nice
10:34 mod6 I'm also running ent/dh against 1.2Gb of collected fg entropy, but this time I did it with: `dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg4.bin`
10:35 mod6 will report out results here when it's complete :]
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11:21 mod6 http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run4.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run4.txt
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11:37 asciilifeform mod6, mircea_popescu , et al : any reply from the dieharder d00d ?
11:45 asciilifeform unrelatedly, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646687 >> https://38.96.45.231 >> ye olde 'ubiquiti' !!
11:45 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 05:25 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/637F4B334BCB5B65796568FDDF4746ECF7E27F24C0342EBD1D97EEFC0E932C57 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...4809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.45.231 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.45.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR2164NSM5R-We-Or-Ca-c3917-568-D. US CA)
11:46 asciilifeform !#s ubiquiti
11:46 a111 31 results for "ubiquiti", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ubiquiti
11:46 asciilifeform e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-07#1090391
11:46 a111 Logged on 2015-04-07 02:35 asciilifeform: 'From my conversations with Ubiquiti, I have found that they claimed that it's alright to refuse to provide source code to GPL-licensed software if "This decision was taken with the security of the users in mind". Furthermore, my conversations were endlessly delayed by the supposed necessity to forward my query to another, unnamed, team.' << now we can probably say what.
11:48 asciilifeform !$ ssh 38.96.45.231
11:48 scriba ssh banner of 38.96.45.231 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
11:48 asciilifeform loller
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12:06 mircea_popescu i didn't get nuttin.
12:11 shinohai http://pagesix.com/2017/04/21/no-caitlyn-jenner-is-not-posing-nude/ <<< The most relieving headline I've seen all week.
12:15 asciilifeform meanwhile, https://archive.is/mevpd >> 'Some bounds checks are elided by Apple's compiler and possibly others, leading to a possible attack especially in 32-bit builds.'
12:15 asciilifeform run moar clang/llvm!111
12:17 Framedragger meh, gcc wouldn't have caught it to begin with
12:18 shinohai `clang` (noun) The sound your Apple phone might make as it is being pwnd.
12:18 asciilifeform lol, archive.is down on account of shitflare.
12:18 asciilifeform what a disgrace.
12:18 Framedragger up for me
12:20 asciilifeform no, i meant the use of shitflare per se.
12:20 asciilifeform is disgrace.
12:20 Framedragger ah. myeah.
12:20 asciilifeform Framedragger: and if you read the linked item, 'On Linux, I tested GCC 4.9, 5.4, and 6.3, as well as Clang 3.6, 3.8, and 4.0. None were affected. ' << applies strictly to recent clang, seems.
12:20 asciilifeform i.e. is effect of 'optimization'.
12:21 Framedragger asciilifeform: oh shit. i looked at snipped of code, thought, gcc wouldn't catch this, that's all. sorry.
12:21 Framedragger aha.
12:23 asciilifeform Framedragger: see also thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-15#1370596 .
12:23 a111 Logged on 2016-01-15 01:38 asciilifeform: 'OpenSSH 6.6 is the only version that is not affected, because it calls explicit_bzero() instead of memset() or bzero(). ..... older GCC versions do not remove the memset() or bzero() call made by buffer_free() or sshbuf_free(). GCC 5 and Clang/LLVM do, however, remove it.'
12:23 Framedragger lol!
12:23 Framedragger mk. i see. optimisationz
12:28 Framedragger 'Dead Store Elimination' << new fancyterm learned from ^. heh
12:29 Framedragger 'but why!!' such very optimise one function call omg.
12:29 asciilifeform Framedragger: you know very well why.
12:29 Framedragger yes, by now, goddammit this is just criminal and that's it.
12:30 Framedragger (i.e., yeah okok.)
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12:46 mircea_popescu gcc 5 was blacklisted anyway./
12:47 asciilifeform and it's worth remembering why.
12:47 mircea_popescu certainly.
12:59 * mircea_popescu reviews with unmitigated sadness that the republican isp issue IS STILL NOT RESOLVED.
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13:00 mircea_popescu so fucking hard, this, picking up a business that can feed a herd of twelve when given. bejaysus.
13:01 mircea_popescu in vaguely related lulz of pure entomological interest, dumb shit like http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pigs-malware-examining-possible-member-winnti-group/
13:02 mircea_popescu it'd seem the usg terrorist organization has succeeded in african-americanizing the hosting business much like it did to the inner city ghettos : yes there exist youngsters who live outside of the reich. none of them survive into adulthood.
13:03 mircea_popescu by the time any one shows signs of competence and possible maturation into systemic threat, they... disappear. to leave the room for yet another inept sixteen year old and his "crew" with "three years experience".
13:03 mircea_popescu the similarities to wheat farming are striking.
13:06 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646829 << i should review logs, but -- assuming we're talking about the same internet / ip aspce -- i've been sceptical of this. there's always an upstream that can cut you off, neh? if no upstream, you gotta somehow be tier 1 - how.
13:06 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 16:59 mircea_popescu reviews with unmitigated sadness that the republican isp issue IS STILL NOT RESOLVED.
13:07 mircea_popescu why would they cut you off ?
13:07 Framedragger child porn!
13:07 mircea_popescu ...
13:07 asciilifeform or 13337 w4r3z
13:07 mircea_popescu what child porn ?
13:07 Framedragger w/e. someone tells them, to
13:07 Framedragger and they do.
13:07 mircea_popescu Framedragger so then we got some decent blog posts.
13:07 Framedragger s/,//
13:07 mircea_popescu i don't see how this is any kind of problem.
13:07 Framedragger is true, but also a lotta labour hours put into failed project
13:07 Framedragger hmh.
13:08 mircea_popescu how has it failed ? you move to other dc or w/e.
13:08 asciilifeform asciilifeform & former assoc. had this problem, laid quite thickly, because they ran (industrially) malware samples.
13:08 asciilifeform which accesses the net and did ????!???.
13:08 mircea_popescu i fail to see what this has anything to do.
13:08 asciilifeform eventually expense of repeatedly 'move to new dc' adds up.
13:09 asciilifeform it ain't quite like, e.g., buying steel pipe, you can buy from x today and from y tomorrow and meanwhile you have a warehouse of pipe, so no prob.
13:09 mircea_popescu republican isp = competent sysadmin who handles relationship with multiple dcs in terms of getting hardware installed and refuses any requests made under color of law by the terrorist organisation known as "the united states government". and publishes them.
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13:10 asciilifeform if 'best korean' fuhrer had half a brain, this'd be a business model for him.
13:10 mircea_popescu as per you know, http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/
13:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if ANYONE, including EACH AND EVERY non-technical dude following around had half a brain, it'd be a business model for him also.
13:10 mircea_popescu most people live their entire life out of less contribution than this.
13:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as you're well aware, usg has 0 problem confiscating entire dc when it wants. on most of planet.
13:11 mircea_popescu let them do that.
13:11 asciilifeform how many operations can absorb this cost on demand ?
13:11 mircea_popescu what is your cost ? you rent gear.
13:11 mircea_popescu and it would be out of the question doing business with nato-reich located dcs anyway, for basic moral reasons.
13:11 asciilifeform ah ~that~ type of dc
13:11 asciilifeform then possibly.
13:11 mircea_popescu i'm not about to hire any convicted child rapists to run my kindergarten, shock and awe.
13:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: outside of reich, exactly same confiscation is carried out simply by slipping a hundy to the orc guard
13:12 mircea_popescu you'd know.
13:12 asciilifeform or whatever candy bar.
13:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i don't know for a hard fact, but there was that ukr.
13:12 mircea_popescu wouldja shut the fuck up with the wholly idiotic antiproductive noise ?
13:12 Framedragger there are those isps in .ru which show the finger to usg, but (1) as was said here multiple times before, there is no 'bulletproof hosting'; and (2) i'd like to see what happens when someone starts serving content against .ru interests.
13:13 Framedragger i agree that it'd be a good contribution, 'while it lasts'. maybe i'm too pessimistic, but i can't see how the 'refuses usg requests' lasts for any time after 'first request received'.
13:13 Framedragger s/usg requests/any state requests/
13:13 asciilifeform Framedragger: ru hosting is pretty good save for (2).
13:13 mircea_popescu i want something like a dual or quad e-2650 say, with a coupla fuckgoats physically installed. i can't say "do this" in #trilema, in 2017.
13:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: still 0 offers for this ?!
13:14 mircea_popescu this is not an acceptable state of affairs, and whatever stories about magics and assorted fairy tales has nothing to do with it.
13:14 Framedragger asciilifeform: yeah so i hear, and even have coupla bookmarks from recommendations should the opportunity require, heh. anyway good to know
13:14 mircea_popescu Framedragger dude wouldja stop with the insane approach. you've watched me build things for years, hopefully. learned nothing from the process ?
13:14 mircea_popescu just make a fucking isp, that's not run by a moron and consequently ahead of 90% of the pack.
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13:15 mircea_popescu get the implicit friendly contracts from tmsr. game over.
13:15 asciilifeform btw whatever happened to the sealand d00d
13:15 asciilifeform iirc this was (at least nominally) his specialty.
13:15 mircea_popescu sealand dood was a retard. like these usually are.
13:15 mircea_popescu i am well satisfied there is not going to be naturally occuring sanity, has to be generated in #trilema or not be had.
13:15 Framedragger sealand (if as in a physical platform at sea) == fewer options for uplink == even more bad, in my mind
13:16 asciilifeform 'i'ma fall on this grenade' doesn't grow naturally, no.
13:16 mircea_popescu yes, it's terrible.
13:16 mircea_popescu worst fucking anti-idea ever.
13:17 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i've heard you before and i hear you now. i just don't have much hope for extant internet. unreliable-low-bandwidth shortwave relay net almost seems like a longer term strategy here, no?
13:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where would you suggest to put it ?
13:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is no grenade. it is a business, like giving away a ny restaurant. it will make a million or two over one's active life.
13:17 mircea_popescu Framedragger dude, what ?
13:18 Framedragger gossipd over radio, i'm very cereal.
13:18 mircea_popescu this is like palpable brain damage.
13:19 mircea_popescu "wash the dishes" "hang on im designing an alien dish washer" "in the time you've been jacking off with the lolpics, other people ate out of washing dishes as professionals, you fucking tard you."
13:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu earlier observed that nobody -- anywhere -- is offering this service.
13:20 Framedragger so what, the idea is to jump around DCs (i assumed low bar for calling self isp is at least getting an AS number, btw) while they're kicking you, and only do rental contracts short enough so that not too much cash gets burned.
13:20 mircea_popescu today. right now. as we speak. people are doing the useful task of putting cpus in boxes. is this incomprehensible to the engineering mind ?
13:20 asciilifeform so no, 'professionals eating' not yet.
13:20 mircea_popescu Framedragger dude nobody's fucking "kicking you out".
13:20 asciilifeform they put in boxes, yes. but they do not give arbitrarily stiff finger to arbitrarily aggressive rogue states.
13:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ten thousand different idiots are offering me this service as we speak.
13:21 mircea_popescu i do not wish to pay random idiots, i wish to pay people in the republic.
13:21 mircea_popescu people in the republic ARE MENTAL DEFFECTIVES meanwhile, REFUSE!!111 to be paid to do simple task.
13:21 Framedragger mircea_popescu: you said yourself that there is no bulletproof hosting. how long do public torrent sites survive? and do you think they have not tried the 'bulletproof' route (not all of them, granted)?
13:21 mircea_popescu fully specified, clearly profitable job, won't do it. seesh.
13:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the idiots handle the enemy in the simplest way -- by dying. 'human fat powered system.'
13:22 mircea_popescu Framedragger nevermind that! i want to get a new eulora server, for instance.
13:22 asciilifeform so imho it is not accurate to say that they have solved same problem.
13:22 mircea_popescu why the fuck should i buy it from anyone outside of wot ?
13:22 Framedragger we are, in a way, oblivious, to the *present issues at hand*, hm.
13:23 mircea_popescu i am currently spending TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. each year. on this service.
13:23 mircea_popescu how fucking hard is it to grasp. there's money on the table fucking pick it up already jesus god almighty it's like trying to get cs grad students to talk to girls.
13:24 mircea_popescu for the past two years, since i last brought this up, guess what ? i've been paying non-wot people. because i gotta keep servers up yes.
13:24 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu sees this as utterly trivial, as suggested here, he could run this service himself (or with 'long hands'), corner the market, supply every spammer on planet3 .
13:24 asciilifeform but possibly it isn't trivial ?
13:25 mircea_popescu EVERYONE here. trinque has servers, yes ? Framedragger rents servers yes ? EVERYONE spends more on servers than on rent. there's a huge amount of money that should NOT be paid out to fucking hilary clinton's friends.
13:25 Framedragger i'm not sure if it's accurate to call self 'isp' if you're just reselling rented servers.
13:25 Framedragger unless you own them and have physical access to, which exposes one to opsec + requirement to live in non-nato country, or w/e.
13:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and add yet another girl nobody knows to the wot and you weirdos get to worry and wonder about her too, and then another and then another and by 2020 wot consists of mp and his friends and these weird dudes ? really, this is the plan ?
13:25 mircea_popescu Framedragger that is EXACTLY what isp does.
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13:26 mircea_popescu it's not a fucking telco. it rents lines and resells them to consumers.
13:26 asciilifeform waiwat worry & wonder wat ?
13:26 trinque comcast isn't an ISP; it's a tv company
13:26 trinque mircea_popescu: aha
13:26 mircea_popescu nuts.
13:26 mircea_popescu just utterly fucking nuts.
13:26 mircea_popescu trinque what was your server bill aggregated over 2016 ? degree of magnitude ?
13:26 Framedragger so just to clarify the technicalities in my mind, in your head this doesn't even imply registering for an isp as 'normally' understood (getting an autonomous system number assigned). which means you may not even be able to control reverse ip records. not a lotta.. power.. if shit goes down. which it will.
13:27 mircea_popescu Framedragger you yourself pay at least a few hundred a month on it. do you pay that much in rent ? on it fucking goes, this.
13:27 trinque mircea_popescu: in the 15-20k range across all projects
13:27 mircea_popescu Framedragger how am i keeping you from registering for as ?
13:27 mircea_popescu trinque aha.
13:28 Framedragger you're not, you're not. also re several hundred, it's less, it's two small dedicated boxes on malware-infested provider + a vps
13:28 mircea_popescu alright. point remains -- we do use THIS resource in excess of any other.
13:28 mircea_popescu i never heard of anyone with a guaranteed market this size being "oh... but the bugaboo and the tsetse fly".
13:29 mircea_popescu people open fucking restaurants with MAJOR investment on the basis of ~the hope~ that maybe they get the foot traffic.
13:30 Framedragger that's true, and i see why you're bewildered. it's just that under the description above, i only see a wot-member being an interface point with a normal-isp. i suppose you would say that 'yes and this is fine' (it's about having someone who is in wot be responsible)?
13:30 mircea_popescu Framedragger what do you think a "normal isp" is ?
13:31 mircea_popescu name one. who ? by way of example.
13:31 Framedragger i'll go ahead and say (amid your laughs): OVH. it's an isp alright:
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13:31 Framedragger a thing which at the very least has a NOC 24/7 incident response centre.
13:31 mircea_popescu ok. what do you think ovh does ?
13:31 Framedragger a thing which has multiple upstreams.
13:32 mircea_popescu last i checked ovh did not own the dcs.
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13:32 Framedragger yes, it rents servers and bandwidth to customers.
13:32 mircea_popescu it just has a contractual relation with them. they're operated in a diff "pc"
13:32 Framedragger i'd need to check but i do believe they do. but sure, it may as well lease them.
13:32 mircea_popescu which is precisely and exactly what you'd do too. and so no, absolutely no differeence in kind between you and ovh,
13:32 mircea_popescu other than their inept and ineffectual processes.
13:33 Framedragger sure, 'leasing' here is non-issue, agree.
13:33 Framedragger digging mahself into another hole, i see
13:33 mircea_popescu which nobody forces you to import because a) you're not a bunch of french speaking tards with barely the brainpower needed to power a chickenh and b) you're not stuck chashing the "shared and wordpress" hosting "market" composed of similarly mentally stunted individuals and their $5 yearly budget.
13:34 asciilifeform and what to do after the 1st, 2nd, 3rd time that having this relation with $service ends up getting upstream (hardware owner's) iron confiscated/stolen/mysteriously burned ? where do you get new hardware upstream after this ? or does mircea_popescu picture this problem going away when you close your eyes ?
13:34 mircea_popescu adding manpower to a project makes it later. this is eminently visible here, it is an unspeakable advantage to be able to work alone, because the "team" at ovh makes everyone dumber not smarter.
13:34 asciilifeform or lemme guess, ' asciilifeform imagined it, it never existed, shuddup fool '
13:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform let us document those.
13:34 mircea_popescu currently a server costs 3k to buy and 15k to rent for a month.
13:35 mircea_popescu out of the money i wasted since 2015 they could have burned 10 and i wouldn't have actually noticed the difference.
13:35 asciilifeform 15k/mo ?! where?
13:35 asciilifeform in orbit??!
13:35 Framedragger (i of course see the point (by way of tmsr history as well) of being able to choose particular customers carefully, that is true of course)
13:35 Framedragger yeah those numbers are off
13:36 asciilifeform or is mircea_popescu suggesting that hypothetical $service ~could~ charge 15k/mo and mircea_popescu would agree to this price.
13:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform take cherryservers, by far one of the cheapest : 4x e5 4620 v3 is 1300 euros for a year
13:36 mircea_popescu Framedragger shut up, you have nfi.
13:36 Framedragger i've rented a few?
13:36 asciilifeform 1300 eu. / yr is more like it
13:36 asciilifeform is the typical rate.
13:36 mircea_popescu what's e5 4620 cost to buy ?
13:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform please review the https://www.cherryservers.com/bare-metal-dedicated-servers (scroll down)
13:37 Framedragger i'm checking that particular link as we speak
13:37 mircea_popescu and in general don't get into fucking arguments with me about my numbers being off when i buy these weekly and you do yearly if at all.
13:37 mircea_popescu and especially not when the last time we had an argument you ate your intel or what was it.
13:37 Framedragger ack.
13:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: their 'fattest' offering seems to be a 999 eu. / mo.
13:37 mircea_popescu check the "paid monthly".
13:38 asciilifeform 1299.
13:38 mircea_popescu euros.
13:38 asciilifeform that ain't 15k us.
13:38 Framedragger ah fuck that was annual, he duped us!! (i'm sorry.)
13:38 mircea_popescu ...
13:38 mircea_popescu i was speaking of yearly costs throughout what the fuck.
13:38 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646944 <<< god no, please no, OVH is a collection of terminally retarded fuckwits living in france's arse hole
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13:38 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 17:31 Framedragger: i'll go ahead and say (amid your laughs): OVH. it's an isp alright:
13:39 asciilifeform i saw '15k to rent for a month' -- parsed like-so.
13:39 asciilifeform lol.
13:39 mircea_popescu nmp!
13:39 asciilifeform if year -- then yes, mircea_popescu has it
13:39 mircea_popescu well what the fucxk am i going to do with it for a month, takes longer to install it. that's like giving yo ua one month employment, i recall you're on the record explainin the downside.
13:39 Framedragger '15k to rent for a month' is an insane way of wording. nevertheless, i learned my lesson
13:40 mircea_popescu myeah. the idea was "to rent it by the month". foxtail i guess.
13:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite truly. which is why i balked, ' mircea_popescu surely made typo '
13:40 * shinohai clones sdf.org and sets up isp/hosting
13:41 Framedragger shinohai: *that* is not a bad idea imho
13:41 Framedragger shells, bouncers etc for l1/l2
13:42 mircea_popescu so, to reiterate the constructive part, also found in 2015 discussion re same : a) identify some decent dcs that do good service. this may be prior knowledghe, may be proximity so you can visit poersonally od some work etc. 2) colo some gear bespoke to your larger customers, and some well priced gear you can find to vps out of 3) profit. and for the rest of your life.
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13:42 trinque asciilifeform knows this, but his only solution for diddlement is to be able to fire the thing onto a clean box quickly, and I understand the challenges there re: state.
13:42 trinque both of them
13:43 mircea_popescu take only btc, pay your 0.1% to the republic and live happily ever after as a well respected, much sought and very productive member of the community.
13:44 mircea_popescu just don't do a fucking rg.
13:44 mircea_popescu (yes, mp has been trying to do this for a long, long time now.)
13:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's a rg
13:44 Framedragger owner of vps bitcoin service
13:44 mircea_popescu something something cocaine something something bright kid with retarded blinders on something.
13:44 asciilifeform aaaah him
13:45 trinque this cock.li guy or someone else?
13:45 Framedragger nah, someone else, from #bitcoin-otc days
13:46 Framedragger cock.li served its mission for doing initial ipv4 space scans, tho
13:46 trinque well, where the fuck did that guy go?
13:46 Framedragger cock.li guy didn't give a fuck
13:46 Framedragger !~seen vc
13:46 jhvh1 Framedragger: I have not seen vc.
13:46 * Framedragger hears mp rage
13:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's concept would work, but it has 1 serious cost -- it is a 'phd assembly line', in that it -- as i understand -- more or less requires ~being a copy of mircea_popescu~ -- a 'jet-setting' d00d, travelling to orclands, negotiating with local mafias, packing up boxes onto chartered boeings in the night, etc
13:47 mircea_popescu trinque no but this is the problem, a full slate of lanky, ill kept 20 somethings that would be technically brilliant and have all the business sense of a dead hooker.
13:47 mircea_popescu and i can keep cycling through them till kingdom come, it's like trying to buy heroin in chicago.
13:47 mircea_popescu hence hte original sadness.
13:48 asciilifeform ( also requires keeping not only own skin, but money , in places reich can't easily get to ; getting hired help who aren't stoolies, also, somewhere; and similar )
13:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it ~may lead there~. which from what i gather some people want for themselves, or something.
13:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why would you hire anyone ?
13:48 Framedragger for starters, 24/7 incident response.
13:48 mircea_popescu get the gf involved, if more hands are needed send her to the lesbian club to come back with another.
13:48 mircea_popescu Framedragger what fucking incident ?
13:49 asciilifeform Framedragger: possibly i misunderstood, and idea is to be strictly a ~broker~, no handling of iron involved
13:49 Framedragger asciilifeform: i suppose so
13:49 asciilifeform ( other than a pile of fiatola. which in a way is also 'hardware' )
13:49 mircea_popescu name the incident!
13:49 shinohai VC evidently still in Romania, getting stoned and making bird tweets: https://twitter.com/gexcolo
13:49 Framedragger mircea_popescu: disk goes down. shit gets stolen. ddos. your isp is ~broker to the upstream, so you have to escalate.
13:50 Framedragger mircea_popescu: qntra being ddos'd recently?
13:50 mircea_popescu Framedragger ...
13:50 mircea_popescu am i talking to myself here ?
13:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647000 << re-read insistently!
13:50 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 17:42 mircea_popescu: so, to reiterate the constructive part, also found in 2015 discussion re same : a) identify some decent dcs that do good service. this may be prior knowledghe, may be proximity so you can visit poersonally od some work etc. 2) colo some gear bespoke to your larger customers, and some well priced gear you can find to vps out of 3) profit. and for the rest of your life.
13:50 mircea_popescu incident is either that there's a flood/meteor/volcano, in which case you're not needed, because dc will handle it itserlf ; or else that customer fucked up his machine, in which case he should have frucking known better and fuck him.
13:51 mircea_popescu your job does not include "24/7 customer support", because it doesn't have why to include it.
13:51 mircea_popescu and besides, you were here every day anyway even when it didn't pay you anything.
13:51 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i fell like we should all get drunk by this point, but: in this scenario, you're saying that dc would handle all hardware faults?
13:52 mircea_popescu specifically what hardware faults ?
13:52 Framedragger oh *come on*.
13:52 mircea_popescu i am coming on. what.
13:52 Framedragger there is a disk fault, say.
13:52 Framedragger i mean, disk failure.
13:52 mircea_popescu customer had a raid, will be fixed when dc gets around to hotswap anyway.
13:53 asciilifeform or lessay whole buncha disk faults, because a 'moderate rebel' 'accidentally' threw a molotov into the dc (where for some reason door was wide open)
13:53 mircea_popescu this gets documented, with pictures.
13:53 mircea_popescu makes for a great article on your suddenly eminently followable blog.
13:54 mircea_popescu afaik nobody has to date wrote that blog post, "hey, check out the one time some rebel threw molotov into a dc!"
13:54 asciilifeform relatedly, whatever happened to mircea_popescu's harness of N hdds that mysteriously burned in unison
13:54 asciilifeform (they were mentioned in the l0gz several times)
13:54 Framedragger mircea_popescu: customer doesn't have a raid == 'well what did they expect' i guess - granted, that actually makes sense. just need to be extra clear in T&Cs...
13:54 mircea_popescu i've nfi.
13:54 mircea_popescu Framedragger there is no fucking t&c.
13:55 mircea_popescu if one needs to read a pile of boilerplate to not be stupid, the pile of boilerplate ain't gonna help anyway.
13:55 Framedragger i do not mean 'restrictions on content' or any other inane shit. i mean response time and so on.
13:55 Framedragger right.
13:56 mircea_popescu huge timesavers, though, eliminating all the gunk empire idiots need to interface with each other's idiocy.
13:56 Framedragger (this will sound cheesy but i do feel like i'm coming to this with a fiat'ish mind, by which i mean, underestimating the power of the wot. 'you trust this wot person to make good, no fine print, the end.')
13:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform come to think of nobody, afaik there exists ONE SINGLE WEBSITE on the whole internet for the whole internet's existence that documents the "hey, check out that time usg got told to go dangle" also.
13:57 mircea_popescu for years google was fulla "oh, mp IN DANGER OF BEING EXTRADITED!!11". experts in things and matters, quora style.
13:59 Framedragger btw just to note, (at least initially) large part of bitcoin revenue would have to be converted into fiat because upstream may require fiat. (sure, it'd be nice to just be able to ignore these upstreams.)
13:59 mircea_popescu whatever, not like it's illegal.
13:59 Framedragger sure.
13:59 mircea_popescu can convert large piles of btc into tits if you feel like, what.
14:00 trinque http://oglaf.com/isle-of-tits/ << oblig
14:00 asciilifeform fiatola exposure is an attack surface.
14:00 mircea_popescu aha lol
14:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the important point here is that the elimination of attack surfaces is sure to produce vacuum packed spherical chickens. it is a necessary quality of physical existence to have attack surfaces. that's how you get laid, also.
14:01 trinque and there are guaranteed to be petabytes of cp on aws and every other host
14:02 mircea_popescu trinque i seriously wouldn't expect this sort of problem. who the fuck is going to be doing that, i wish to know.
14:02 trinque ikr
14:02 trinque point being whatever is being done, the host isn't doing it
14:02 trinque whole point
14:02 mircea_popescu prolly cleannest item on a per-size basis known to the tubes.
14:03 asciilifeform asciilifeform's argument is not that mircea_popescu's idea is physically impossible, but that it is absent because it is -- afaik -- heavily -ev. and not because 'world is stupid'. take, say, the moving of cocaine. it involves every bit the same types of risks, but cocaine is readily available worldwide. i suspect : partly because it is a standalone physical object -- unlike net connectivity.
14:03 mircea_popescu eh get out. pretty much the only way independent, tech minded kid can feed himself today is to do a good job of running an isp.
14:03 trinque myriad neonazi sites run all day
14:04 trinque "no but those are all honeypots; every single one!!!11!"
14:04 mircea_popescu about half of all the ones i personally know (ie, middle class tech kids) ended up there this way.
14:04 asciilifeform trinque: nope. plenty of quite genuine 'spam isp'. problem is that they fold !
14:04 trinque then one moves, but what's that one? daily stormer or something?
14:04 trinque has been on for years?
14:04 * asciilifeform at one time scouted far and wide for these, with a budget not far off from mircea_popescu's current
14:04 mircea_popescu notrly, actually. /me recently ran into one i recall from 2007. continous decade in bizniss!
14:05 trinque notion seems to be that somebody's gonna end up in room 101 for hosting tmsr items
14:05 trinque mk, maybe when they bother to go get the "nambla" site
14:05 mircea_popescu notion seems to be that human psyche's principal job in average human is protection from change.
14:05 asciilifeform trinque: there is a fair bit of gradation between 'room 101' and harmless annoyance
14:05 trinque business annoyances are already way over "harmless"
14:06 * trinque eyeballs his roughly 100k legal bill from last year
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14:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: might be interesting to find out where the (hilarious) northkr www is hosted.
14:06 mircea_popescu whatcha got sued for ?
14:06 trinque that's what it is, endless annoyances
14:06 asciilifeform ( iirc it was not even in asia! )
14:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wasn't it in china ? i thought.
14:06 trinque mircea_popescu: suing, guy may have allegedly (blah blah) stolen some things
14:07 mircea_popescu oh those. believe me, http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/
14:07 mircea_popescu it's just not fucking worth it trying to "t&c" so to speak.
14:08 trinque last fiat biz for sure.
14:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/N4KYf << china! as you said. though i have nfi how much of the linked info is true
14:08 asciilifeform decade or so ago i looked into this, and found that their www box lived in.. usa!
14:10 mircea_popescu yeah, dunno how far i'd trust these.
14:11 asciilifeform the 'whack-a-mole' is a part of live for folx using 'spam hosting'. and i entirely believe that mircea_popescu knows one that has been in uninterrupted business since '07. but how long do you suppose it would live if you linked to it by name here ?
14:11 asciilifeform *life
14:12 asciilifeform they have life cycles, 'fresh, unknown, bulletproof', then the sp4mz0rz, virus artists, flock to it, then it 'has problems', dies. then another elsewhere is born.
14:13 davout is your point that some work would indeed be required?
14:13 mircea_popescu lol
14:13 mircea_popescu davout what are you doing fgor a living these days anyway ?
14:13 mircea_popescu other than watching horses spin around on a plate-sized island.
14:14 davout you pretty much have it
14:14 mircea_popescu so then...
14:15 davout well, i'm following the conversation
14:15 Framedragger and how would mircea_popescu react if suddenly isp had policy of blocking spamzorz?
14:15 Framedragger i'm not sure where the 'isp should not care about content' line should be in the context of tmsr.
14:16 davout i'll ask around if people in my local meatwot have some experience with local DCs, don't think they'd bite
14:17 mircea_popescu Framedragger i have nfi, but i know for a fact there's nothing in tmsr or in nature that says "person must provide impossible object in regular course of business".
14:17 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565561 << pertinent, imho, old thread )
14:17 a111 Logged on 2016-11-10 17:10 mircea_popescu: no, actually, it concerned an isp which, like any other isp, can't afford to actually pay a lawyer to read all the legalse spam being thrown their way. the guilty party here is the state of california, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524561
14:17 mircea_popescu besides, you're supposed to maintain relations with multiple dcs anyway.
14:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nato-reich is verboten anyway.
14:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is it even possible any moar to route packets entirely sans-nato ?
14:18 mircea_popescu i dun wanna do biz with the child fuckers.
14:18 asciilifeform ( emplace iron -- yes, possible. )
14:21 trinque Framedragger: guy who runs ISP can choose how he runs his own house, eh?
14:21 trinque "no fucking purple backgrounds on sites" whatever, it's your house
14:21 trinque absurd example ofc
14:21 mircea_popescu actually a "no https and no ajax" rule would kick all ass.
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14:21 trinque indeed
14:22 * asciilifeform pictures a 'no dns!' hoster
14:22 Framedragger true. for some stupid reason i had it in my mind that mircea_popescu would vehemently oppose any such arbitrary restrictions. but this was based on some inane interpretation of some misread trilema text, probably
14:22 trinque the thing where law comes from the sky instead of from men takes time to unwind
14:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that may take some building up to.
14:23 trinque Framedragger: he might want something, and then what? y'all either deal or don't.
14:23 asciilifeform Framedragger: isp who bans, e.g., purple www backgrounds, child fucking, and winblows-95 because HE WANTS TO -- is quite different animal from one who does exactly same, but because ~imposed~ upstream
14:23 mircea_popescu o yeah, absolutely. no https, no ajax, no windows/crapple.
14:23 * Framedragger tried whois on 2x4.ru -- cloudflare, hahahaha
14:24 mircea_popescu and no cloudflare. jesus this is growing.
14:24 mircea_popescu "no openssh no shit compiled with gcc > 4 no stuff from 3.x python no..."
14:24 mircea_popescu gotta keep it short lest it ends up longer than traditional slas.
14:24 shinohai I would imagine those needing tmsr services could set up own cdn, no?
14:24 trinque gonna need multiple DCs
14:25 mircea_popescu shinohai the idea is to resolve the problem not to self-lick the icecone.
14:26 shinohai ah nb
14:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: would it be correct to say that a 'solved' instance of this problem, could, e.g., host wikilix indefinitely ?
14:26 Framedragger ack re. flow/direction of law. but re. 'no ajax', i imagine the primary service offering being an unmanaged dedicated box, in which case i'd find it reasonable to require of the isp not to peek at insides (unless external behaviour is ~spam, etc.)
14:26 asciilifeform ( and 'piratebay' -- ? )
14:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope. a solved instance of this problem would be me going "hey x, i want a new server for eulora, what do you got that's good and where do i send the fuckgoats" which returns within a day or two with options and quotes which i pay which results in the server being live sometime next week.
14:28 mircea_popescu because this is exactly what i wanted to do three hours ago and couldn't.
14:29 asciilifeform my current understanding is that plenty of folx will accept a crated server and plug it in, without questions.
14:29 mircea_popescu Framedragger no, re-re-read the line i said read insistently. you do get some boxes for vps ing out of. either because cheap or because obsolete etc.
14:29 mircea_popescu it's a business, it has its flows yes ?
14:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and why am i patying non wot folks ?
14:29 Framedragger mircea_popescu: kk.
14:29 asciilifeform so mircea_popescu is discussing a hypothetical conventional dc ? not 'bulletproof' variant.
14:30 mircea_popescu i am discussing a republican isp.
14:30 mircea_popescu the only substitute i would consider from the fiat world would be a bulletproof variant, because i will literally not deal with peons who do not at least declaratively claim to not follow usg law.
14:30 mircea_popescu why encourage terrorism sorta deal.
14:31 Framedragger (i mentioned 2x4 (russian hosting provider) above because they are known for not giving a fuck about dmca or other usg laws, and responding with "your mother" (sic) to requests to take down a hosted site which is running a botnet C&C)
14:32 asciilifeform who, currently, other than mircea_popescu and hanbot meet the ground floor qualification ( physically residing outside of reich ) ?
14:32 asciilifeform ( maybe shinohai ? )
14:32 mircea_popescu davout for isntance.
14:32 asciilifeform i thought he was a fr subject
14:32 mircea_popescu but you're people not trees, people travel for their job all the god damned fucking time.
14:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc he moved to the pacific rimjob.
14:32 asciilifeform oh hm.
14:33 asciilifeform but it was a french island neh.
14:33 mircea_popescu afaik it was indepoendent. not been keeping much track.
14:33 asciilifeform davout ^ ?
14:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah, gotta be independent, they got a dispute with the uk over chagos.
14:34 shinohai asciilifeform: no I am entrenched in the Southern part of Reich unfortunately, would have to relocate to more friendly (and preferably Spanish-speaking) climes.
14:34 mircea_popescu recall, the whole "us wants base" debacle ? diego garcia ?
14:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hm, then davout could be the one.
14:40 * Framedragger currently checking ripe db etc to see how 2x4 hosts things. their dns servers are legally in seychelles.. etc.
14:41 Framedragger (http://archive.is/MOdf3 for anyone interested)
14:46 mircea_popescu in no conceivable presentation is this a low hanging fruit. the odds of it actually being molested are lower than baseline
14:46 mircea_popescu (baseline is, young couple with nary a clue "start business", get reamed by bureaucracy.)
14:50 mircea_popescu was a film re this, pretty bad but relevant in context, what was it...
14:51 mircea_popescu !~google sunshine cleanning
14:51 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Sunshine Cleaning (2008) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0862846/>; Sunshine Cleaning - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Cleaning>; Amazon.com: Sunshine Cleaning : Amy Adams, Emily Blunt: Movies ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Sunshine-Cleaning-Amy-Adams/dp/B001UV4XGU>
14:51 mircea_popescu dumb broad and her lazy, ignorant teenaged sister go into business cleanning up crime scenes, start a fire.
14:52 mircea_popescu also, emily blunt is a fucking gorgon, what are all these people smoking. i'd rather watch barbara streisand gargle.
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15:21 davout i'll be traveling for the two next weeks, but i'll ask around when coming back.
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15:53 shinohai In entertainment from mod6 's neck of the woods today: https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cas/6098146692.html
15:54 trinque I see that I'm not the only one who reads CL personals for teh lulz
15:57 shinohai Oh they are a gold mine, this one happened to be provided courtesy of a girl I did stream setup for xD
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16:15 * asciilifeform had a nice long walk to ps0toffice with pet, discussed the 'money as a property' vs 'hamiltons' mircea_popescuism
16:28 asciilifeform in other lulz, 'Massive power outage hits San Francisco, shuts down businesses, BART station, cable cars, traffic lights...'
16:30 Framedragger in which SF startups realise that hosting all infrastructure on multiple fault lines is not the greatest idea ever
16:36 mircea_popescu "who could have predicted failure to pay bills results in power outage" "california"
16:44 mircea_popescu davout i don't get it, what'd you ask around for ? people in the wot who you know but we somehow don't ?
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16:46 mircea_popescu trinque shinohai meanwhiule deleted. thanks to scriba's archiving service i could read it.
16:48 shinohai Poor guy, wonder if he found a mark for his lard ass lel
16:49 mircea_popescu looks more like some 30yo douche found pics going through "his" "gf's" phone, set up craiglist spam robot.
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17:50 mod6 Update: Moving on to FG #2. Will collect just over 1.0 Gb and then do ent/dh tests.
17:50 mod6 Eatblock test upto 363K+ blocks and into blk0019.
17:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647131 << in which we lol at how phf's logtron makes https clickable to 404.
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17:57 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 18:21 mircea_popescu: actually a "no https and no ajax" rule would kick all ass.
17:57 mircea_popescu http
18:10 mircea_popescu !~ticker
18:10 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1325.4, Best ask: 1326.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 1325.5, 24 hour volume: 8181.49424142, 24 hour low: 1293.2, 24 hour high: 1333.1, 24 hour vwap: None
18:10 mircea_popescu shinohai why the fuck is it quoting bitfinex ?!
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18:25 shinohai It's a gribble *clone*
18:40 mircea_popescu o it queries gribble ?
18:43 shinohai nope it performs pretty much exact same functions, though it shouldn't be too difficult to change it from buttfunex
18:43 shinohai !~ticker BTCC
18:43 jhvh1 shinohai: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid currency (1 more message)
18:43 shinohai !~ticker --market BTCC
18:43 jhvh1 shinohai: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1054.589052, Best ask: 1058.59512, Bid-ask spread: 4.00607, Last trade: 1054.589052, 24 hour volume: 9670.36210000, 24 hour low: 1047.035748, 24 hour high: 1071.1404, 24 hour vwap: 1058.37683489
18:45 mircea_popescu of course the question of "Change it to what" rears its ugly head. there's still no price signal in btc, no more than there was back in 2015.
18:46 mircea_popescu it's either "website printing random numbers" or else "usg mouth piece" or else "chinese exchange that does no exchanging"
18:46 mircea_popescu could run us elections out of this material, same exact substance.
18:49 shinohai Yeah truth be told there is no good solution rly.
18:55 BingoBoingo <trinque> well, where the fuck did that guy go? << Apparently customs raped
18:55 trinque orly? do tell.
18:57 mircea_popescu !!up Joshua-I
18:57 deedbot Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
18:57 Joshua-I Thanks
18:57 mircea_popescu sure
18:58 Joshua-I I read you want hosting. Seems like a straightforward thing. What do you need?
18:58 mircea_popescu uh. who are you again ?
18:58 shinohai !!gettrust Joshua-I
18:58 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
18:59 Joshua-I I'm interested in simulating this problem
18:59 Joshua-I Like looking for the potential solutions
18:59 mircea_popescu do me a favour, read the topic.
18:59 mircea_popescu !!down Joshua-I
19:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo may be interested to hear that asciilifeform bought and put to use a set of 'conibear' tree traps
19:06 asciilifeform and broke 0 fingers!1111
19:15 asciilifeform lol re rando asset popping up out of thin air -- 'heyiheardyouneedhosting!111'
19:16 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/fashionweek/
19:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nice
19:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ever use'em ?
19:18 BingoBoingo I have not. Prefer generic cage trap. Build a salad in there until you tempt critter.
19:18 asciilifeform these, apparently, too clever for cage.
19:20 BingoBoingo http://www.terrierman.com/traprelease.htm << looks like srs bsns
19:20 asciilifeform yeah, them
19:21 asciilifeform a bitch to set, too
19:22 asciilifeform esp. as mine for some reason came without the safety latch ('made in korea!')
19:22 BingoBoingo Well, murder springs have to have some muscle
19:24 asciilifeform phun phakt: the folx i hired originally to do the pest control, not only insist on 'humane' trap, but lock them for weekend! i asked 'why?' answer 'it's the law'
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19:24 asciilifeform squirrels, apparently, have RIGHTS!!11!!! here.
19:24 asciilifeform didjaknow.
19:25 asciilifeform rat, mouse, RIGHTS!!11, comingsoon.
19:26 BingoBoingo BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
19:29 shinohai !~bible Genesis 1:28
19:29 jhvh1 shinohai: [KJV] Genesis 1:28 :: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
19:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647244 << da fuck is this dumb shit.
19:34 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 23:24 asciilifeform: phun phakt: the folx i hired originally to do the pest control, not only insist on 'humane' trap, but lock them for weekend! i asked 'why?' answer 'it's the law'
19:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just when i thought that usgdom couldn't possibly surprise with nonsense
19:37 asciilifeform turns out -- there is always moar surprise.
19:37 mircea_popescu nuts.
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19:59 trinque http://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/rehab/protected/ << "Unless state-listed as threatened or endangered, these animals are not protected, except under certain circumstances."
19:59 trinque varies widely by state, has nothing to do with "usg" really
20:00 trinque firearm discharge depends on acreage iirc, but I don't think anybody would arrest you for killing a fucking squirrel around here.
20:03 BingoBoingo http://augustacrime.com/greenbrier-student-17-attacks-classmate-for-calling-her-a-whale/
20:04 BingoBoingo ^ The obeast pest problem continues
20:08 BingoBoingo And no, I dun believe the news fatbook picture
20:15 mircea_popescu how did she attack, rolling motion ?
20:26 mircea_popescu trinque this "state / usg" distinction carried water pre-lincoln.
20:27 mircea_popescu i'm sure "the commerce clause" gives random swampocrat full authority to legislate squirrel rights.
20:33 trinque certainly so
20:36 trinque what a bunch of idiots, leaving such giant gaping holes in the thing.
20:36 mircea_popescu they weren't in the thing.
20:37 mircea_popescu the pretense that commerce clause enables washington bureaucracy is exactly like the usual fare of prison toughs. "you dropped your soap".
20:39 mircea_popescu if i write "roses are red" and some douche goes "by roses he means milk, amirite ?" the failure of the douche's companions to knock him one upside the head does not translate in my having left any kind of hole in my text ; nor does it enact changing it to "roses are red and by roses we do not mean milk" into being reasonable. it's not fucking reasonable, the douche will just go "oh, by red he meant square"
20:40 mircea_popescu in fact, trilema is principally about this.
20:42 mircea_popescu and it all comes back to should-have-beaten-the-wives, of course.
20:46 trinque words have meanings yes, and oughtn't need smearing of extra "no really they do" around, which immediately reminds one of OSS.
20:47 trinque also can't deny that it wasn't the document that did anyting; the folks who wanted USGism killed more of the ones that didn't
21:01 trinque eh poorly put. while the southern civilian death toll was certainly high and under-reported, also lots of the same on the other side. at any rate, lost.
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21:16 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647194 <<< ask around local meatwot about local DCs and hardware sourcing options
21:16 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 20:44 mircea_popescu: davout i don't get it, what'd you ask around for ? people in the wot who you know but we somehow don't ?
21:16 mircea_popescu ah ah!
21:17 mircea_popescu is there even a dc there ?
21:17 davout i'll... ask around!
21:17 mircea_popescu :)
21:17 davout looks like it at first cursory examination
21:17 mircea_popescu fancy that, tmsr machines within em spying range of usg top sikrit sea of china equivalent
21:18 davout the opposite would be surprising
21:19 davout i'm off to .za ttyal later
21:19 mircea_popescu la
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21:47 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6AFE56F50CD78AD78E8C83E1107982A688420E8B5343E2EBE915060BA5095C36 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1640...0857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.202.42.230 (ssh-rsa key from 62.202.42.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (230.42.202.62.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch. CH)
21:47 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6AFE56F50CD78AD78E8C83E1107982A688420E8B5343E2EBE915060BA5095C36 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...0967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.202.42.230 (ssh-rsa key from 62.202.42.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (230.42.202.62.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch. CH)
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22:12 shinohai http://archive.is/I1CqK <<< Barry Shillbert: Buy mah shitcoin picks of the month so I can make use of all that Bitcoin ya'll don't need.
22:13 mircea_popescu people still falling for the "picks" scam huh
22:14 asciilifeform spam existing -- dun prove that spam 'worx' tho.
22:14 asciilifeform 'human fat reactor'
22:14 mircea_popescu there's that.
22:16 asciilifeform it isn't as if broadcasting nonsense costs'em ~any.
22:17 mircea_popescu in other random lulz, i ended up with this pair of very nice 8 carat diamonds and i've been playing with them in the light like a complete down case for the past half hour
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22:17 mircea_popescu shit's fascinating!
22:17 shinohai Of course not, scamcoin devs likely pay handsomely to get CoinDesk to spread teh word.
22:19 mircea_popescu ah right, that's the end. he's not trying to get anyone to "buy his picks", he's trying to get the lesser scammers to pay him for his supposed crystal ball publicity services. the paul graham scam.
22:22 shinohai A lulzy medium post on Shillbert M.O. https://medium.com/@charlescmackay/barry-silbert-and-the-cost-of-bitcoins-malfeasance-culture-f83d15ad07d1
22:23 mircea_popescu let me guess, it says approximately http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646777 except "in his own words".
22:23 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 14:20 asciilifeform: 'Mike Pompeo, director of the Central Intelligence Agency ... "WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service," he said in prepared remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Assange is a narcissist who has created nothing of value," Pompeo said. "He relies on the dirty work of other to make himself famous. He is a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen. "And
22:24 shinohai More or less.
22:26 * shinohai will lulz until death over his tweet about ETC being "First non-Bitcoin coin I evah bought" when guy was a Zooko supporter from day 1.
22:28 mircea_popescu the cost of keeping the story straight is an exponential function of time whereas the gains for imperials are fixed at best -- their intended audience has no intelligence or culture. consequently, every usg shill will be leaking lulz after about 6 to 9 months depending on the volume he outputs.
22:29 mircea_popescu in certain edges of the swamp there's ancient frogs of this nature, who've been chasing the same five dollah in clueless nigger spending for all their life, 30-40 years, firebranding nonsense all through. in the us they're called "senators" often enough, but the romanian word is "panarame".
22:30 mircea_popescu the "famous dr luther waxling" in scorsese's seek and destroy would be a paradigmatic example i guess.
22:31 * shinohai actually thought Dennis Hopper played that role well ....
22:32 mircea_popescu o yeah.
22:32 mircea_popescu i would like that thing on a card, you know.
22:32 mircea_popescu "you wanna sit at the grown up table talkin' movie deals ? GET SOME FUCKING MONEY! YOU GOT NOTHING IN YOUR POCKETS!!"
22:47 mod6 TomServo: any update on your node?
22:47 mod6 TomServo: also, been watching any of the new MST3K?
22:51 shinohai heh mod6 you like MST3K ?
22:56 shinohai http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/paulawa3245.jpeg <<< From this evening's Colombian report ....
23:11 mod6 Ya, cracks me up
23:11 mod6 lot of mn refs too
23:15 shinohai Hah yeah it just dawned on me the show got started in your neck of the woods lol.
23:25 mod6 I just watched the 3rd episode of the new season, "The Time Travelers." There's a line in there that's something like 'Steve, what will it be like after all these centuries? Are you sure? I'm sure of one thing.' '[Crow]: Bitcoin.
23:25 shinohai lel
23:25 mod6 ya
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23:59 mod6 im just gonna come out and say it.
23:59 mod6 gnat frustrates me
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