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01:47 BingoBoingo Fuck 463303 was morbidly obese block
~ 3 hours 54 minutes ~
05:41 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170501/#20 << ah, yes! that is definitely in the plan. in june or july, conservatively say july!
05:41 scriba Logged on 2017-05-01: [02:11:19] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger btw you gonna re-do the scan for 2017 ?
~ 57 minutes ~
06:39 Framedragger in other sads, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/B2q4T/?raw=true
06:45 Framedragger (cv mentions gaming. not making this up)
~ 48 minutes ~
07:33 mircea_popescu nice mod6 :D
07:35 mircea_popescu nitpick : move 2016 to 2017 on trb.org main page
07:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650363 << dude. put the double carry mult-with-overflow-detection on your blog. with a proper and complete discussion. with log references. THEN, ~link it~ from your ~actual software~ via the comments.
07:36 a111 Logged on 2017-05-01 03:52 asciilifeform: in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m3LQl/?raw=true << egyptian mul. with slightly better comments
07:37 mircea_popescu that way you'll end up with your blog linked by random idiots with delusions of grandeur in the future, exactly like it happened in the past.
07:38 mircea_popescu guy bemoans lack of lisp style tagged data in today's world of shit ; refuses WITH THE CUTTING OF THE HEAD to structure and tag anything no matter what. wtf is wrong with you.
07:51 mircea_popescu Framedragger worx. not like the other batch is fully digested yet anyway.
07:52 mircea_popescu and point the woman towards #eulora, what.
07:56 mircea_popescu shinohai your joo's ded ?
07:59 mircea_popescu and in other news : do you enjoy traveling ? is your idea of traveling to walk for hours among the strange bazaars of distant lands ? does the cushion for the pushin' whine that her feet hurt and that she's thirsty and hurr durr ? there are solutions! https://68.media.tumblr.com/469792dfd1e169230c2349eb69afd23c/tumblr_ocm867cZ1O1ukrdklo1_500.gif
07:59 mircea_popescu and i mean "solutions" literally.
~ 1 hours 17 minutes ~
09:17 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-april-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2017 Statement
09:18 mircea_popescu shares added also.
~ 46 minutes ~
10:04 shinohai joo (and meself) back online .... sry for inconvenience
~ 37 minutes ~
10:41 asciilifeform !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QmUh3/?raw=true
10:41 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
~ 17 minutes ~
10:59 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
10:59 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1386.56, vol: 6151.02469569 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1328.799, vol: 5018.8888 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1497.0, vol: 16433.45406724 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1181.270708, vol: 7505.75570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1390.526, vol: 3756.17617334 | Volume-weighted last average: 1386.53582297
11:12 shinohai Things to electrify your Monday morning: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/grid1.jpg
11:16 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
11:16 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 8089.99, vol: 7880.37150000 | Volume-weighted last average: 8089.99
11:22 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/fiatbitcoin-interfaces-testing-us-dollar-at-11400th-bitcoin-price-level/ << Qntra - fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Testing US dollar At 1/1400th Bitcoin Price Level
11:37 ben_vulpes spacex reentry photography kindles me cockles
11:37 ben_vulpes tight crop on the engines in flight, apparently from other flying craft
11:37 shinohai In Monero scammer news: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=68520
11:39 ben_vulpes shinohai: that's...the tortilla?
11:40 shinohai yup
11:40 shinohai Seems his "Crypto Kingdom" game has gotten him heavily into debt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1890786.0
11:44 mircea_popescu aww
11:45 mircea_popescu "It is unfortunate that what was once a promising game with many contributors in the community has turned into a scam, but such as it is."
11:45 mircea_popescu these FUCKTARDED IMBECILES.
11:46 shinohai No one could have predicted, ammirite?
11:46 mircea_popescu "oh, there's a game that actually works, run by the only guy who actually has money or understands business in this cloud of idiots. tell you what -- we'll pretend to be offended at "fuckgoats" and stick with some utter derpitude run by a mentally ill runt. then a year or two years or whatever later we'll go ... "unfortunately" and act like no one could have fucking predicted".
11:46 mircea_popescu and then when i want them boiled in oil i'm supposed to give explanations or something ? hurr.
11:47 mircea_popescu shinohai ^ post that in there, at least when i get to boil them in oil right and proper they get to hurr durr at the fact that they ~actually had the text before their eyes~
11:47 mircea_popescu exactly like the braindead strippers who wouldn't pick up a bitcoin for free because hey, "professional" and whatnot.
11:47 * shinohai goes to the swamp to revel in lulz
11:48 shinohai Should I invite him here to bare tits for 2 bittys?
11:48 mircea_popescu pshh.
11:48 mircea_popescu this nonsensical pretense that there's somehow "choice" and "people have it" gotta be the #1 driver of the socialist empire of idiots.
11:48 mircea_popescu what fucking choice! THIS is the choice. what choice was it ?
11:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5Y49M/?raw=true
11:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aite, 1s
11:58 mircea_popescu cool
12:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1e02k/?raw=true
12:17 mircea_popescu tyvm.
12:22 jurov https://semiaccurate.com/2017/05/01/remote-security-exploit-2008-intel-platforms/
12:22 jurov The short version is that every Intel platform with AMT, ISM, and SBT from Nehalem in 2008 to Kaby Lake in 2017 has a remotely exploitable security hole in the ME (Management Engine) not CPU firmware.
12:23 mircea_popescu and the idiots "begged intel to fix it for years" and never said a peep.
12:24 mircea_popescu fucking idiots.
12:24 mircea_popescu "First a little bit of background. SemiAccurate has known about this vulnerability for literally years now, it came up in research we were doing on hardware backdoors over five years ago. What we found was scary on a level that literally kept us up at night. For obvious reasons we couldn’t publish what we found out but we took every opportunity to beg anyone who could even tangentially influence the right people to do somet
12:24 mircea_popescu hing about this security problem."
12:25 mircea_popescu what fucking "obvious" reasons, good soviet ?
12:25 asciilifeform lul, magicpacket!
12:25 asciilifeform 'Intel has plans on when to issue “reactive” NDAs to customers several weeks before the “proactive” and “public” disclosures. ' << gold
12:26 mircea_popescu fuck this entire shitshow of clowns and faces eaters.
12:27 asciilifeform 'If your system is 10 years old or newer it is likely exploitable' << 2009opteron4evah!111
12:27 mircea_popescu aha.
12:28 mircea_popescu !!rate charlie demerjian -10 hostis humani generis.
12:28 asciilifeform ' Richard Stallman was right about firmware, and there are alternatives now too.' << 'alternatives' link goes to, guess what, vapour
12:30 * asciilifeform read linked piece 3x, did not find disclosure of the 0day
12:30 asciilifeform 'You have them on your machine. You really need to turn them off' << except they dun come with an off switch.
12:30 mircea_popescu doh.
12:34 Framedragger olook the backdoor is an actual backdoor! good call on opteron asciilifeform :)
12:34 asciilifeform Framedragger: it was a backdoor when AMT first announced !
12:34 asciilifeform how many thick heads is this still failing to get through.
12:35 asciilifeform HAVING THE FUCKING FRITZ CHIP is the backdoor. not somebody-not-nsa-learning-the-key.
12:35 asciilifeform for fuck's sake.
12:35 mircea_popescu heh.
12:38 asciilifeform number of nsaware-free workstations or servers in production today : still 0.
12:38 Framedragger the "but we begged" is quite rich, omg
12:38 mircea_popescu let's redo the whole http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=republican+isp discussion huh.
12:38 Framedragger in which mp gets pissed again!1
12:39 mircea_popescu can you blame me ?
12:39 Framedragger nopenope.
12:39 asciilifeform 'republican isp' on magicpacketable-nsaware iron...
12:39 mircea_popescu "oh, i'm too fucking good to send some opterons to be racked and btw we begged for less cock. or more. or something, anyway FOR LITERALLY YEARS!!11"
12:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what ?
12:40 asciilifeform ( if mircea_popescu needed a 2009opteron for own use -- asciilifeform could, in principle, help. but if he needed a rack-house filled with them -- the gods themselves, could not help. )
12:40 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i'll mention one thing tho: you cited "$10k+ / year" figures and all that, but just ftr i don't believe the actual *profit margin* (vs. revenue) would be decent. that said, this should of course be researched.
12:40 mircea_popescu of course you don't. why don't you ?
12:40 mircea_popescu is it from the experience of being a businessman, or is it from the experience of being a cocksucker, begging this and that, like the schmuck i just negrated ?
12:41 mircea_popescu cuz this might matter, at least somewhat.
12:41 shinohai srsly
12:42 asciilifeform incidentally, if it turns out that mircea_popescu had in fact buried 10,001 opterons somewhere in the desert, now'd be the time to dig'em up. and profit margin will be very respectable.
12:42 asciilifeform ( naturally , don't sell'em, tmsr-isp'em. )
12:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform same argument could be made re mp's bitcoins, mp's slavegirls, mp's anythings yes ? how much would a girl properly trained sell for, seeing how the fucking shah of brunei can't, apparently, find one, and not for lack of trying ? subquestion : what THE FUCK is "respectable" supposed to mean in a world where apparently mp is the only one who has shit and everyone else will resist getting ~~~~~~ANY~~~~~ shit whatso
12:43 mircea_popescu ever at all WITH THEIR FUCKING LIFE
12:43 mircea_popescu hm ?
12:44 mircea_popescu respectable profit in what sense, i'll trade my time for fiatollars and then what ?
12:44 * shinohai still wants one of mircea_popescu 's thinkpads from back in the day ....
12:44 asciilifeform what part of 'don't sell'em' was not clear
12:45 asciilifeform run, e.g., tmsr-isp .
12:45 mircea_popescu oh, i should run it. i see.
12:45 asciilifeform not even addressed to mircea_popescu in particular.
12:46 mircea_popescu fwiw, 6274 for instance still on amazon at 800 bux or so.
12:47 mircea_popescu the 4gz fx 8370 goes for 150 bux, used. and so on.
12:47 asciilifeform fx lacks ecc.
12:48 asciilifeform (not the chip per se, but the known mobos did)
12:49 asciilifeform 6274 was a good one
12:49 asciilifeform gotta wonder what the 'market depth' is.
12:50 Framedragger btw, if anyone is considering doing the isp thing, one of the potential providers which offers colo is https://pinspb.ru/ (doesn't look serious i know, but after some research it turns out to have close ties to 2x4.ru, and that's not a bad sign.)
12:50 Framedragger ^ can purchase ip blocks via 'em, too, for good price; etc.
12:52 asciilifeform https://pinspb.ru/79 << seems like they only take ru-only spampaypals tho
12:52 asciilifeform or hm, nm, they also eat 'visa' etc
12:52 asciilifeform but not - it seems - btc.
12:53 Framedragger if there is a will!..
12:54 * Framedragger recalls using some 'virtual gold' 'incorporated in panama' company currency to trade goods. sustainable? no. can make it werk for specific trades? can do!
12:54 asciilifeform isp is typically a recurring thing tho, vs 'specific trade'
12:55 mircea_popescu ~any isp will open you a wire channel if you're paying them substantially. pay them quarterly, it'll be substantial enough.
12:55 asciilifeform the linked isp even offers year-long parcel
12:55 asciilifeform and definitely eats wires
12:56 mircea_popescu so then. you want to use the wire system whenever you can anyway.
12:56 Framedragger yepyep. i must say that i had not dealt with them directly, ever. but it came up in my 'ok so what actual non-nato providers/DCs could i use?'
12:56 asciilifeform Framedragger: 2x4 came up in my list also
12:57 mircea_popescu russia is not without its own problems but having a dc there is certainly a sound plan.
12:57 Framedragger asciilifeform: yeah, but they don't offer colo, at least upon initial glance. can send query, of course. but may as well deal with their upstream DCs
12:57 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu recently discovered that you gotta buy a colo if you want to emplace something as small as even a FUCKGOATS
12:57 Framedragger (iirc pinspb hosts, or is related to 2x4 dns boxes. would need to dig up)
12:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i wonder how the ssl idiots handle this ( they have, or at least at one time had, hardware accelerators for their nonsense . did they also have to pay for entire machine colo, to plug in the 1 board ?? )
12:58 Framedragger some providers may agree to attach usb devices. iirc (possibly) leaseweb. (based in .nl, i know, but they also fought some 'give us yer customers' cases iirc)
12:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i said cherryservers (ex balticservers) didn't want to.
12:59 asciilifeform Framedragger: my (possibly naive) picture is that it does very little good to put a FG ~outside~ of box, where any idiot could unplug or substitute it; it only begins to make sense inside a welded colo box
12:59 asciilifeform ( or , ideally, box in your castle )
12:59 Framedragger cherryservers do seem nice but their nato affiliation is over 9000 hah
13:00 Framedragger asciilifeform: ah shit, of course
13:03 mircea_popescu i don't get what the problem with colocating boxes is supposed to be. pro tip : every box in every rack in every datacenter on planet earth WAS COLOCATED THERE.
13:03 mircea_popescu this is like a discussion of dairy attempting to avoid cows.
13:04 mircea_popescu "oh but they moo" "so what the fuck if they do." "it's scary!" "dude..."
13:04 Framedragger mircea_popescu: what do you mean, do you mean resistance against colocating?
13:04 mircea_popescu i mean of course you'll colocate boxes, this is what you do. isp places his boxes in a datacenter, it's the job description.
13:04 asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu earlier asked some dc for 'i'll lease your box but plug in this 1 thing'
13:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wasn't some dc, was named and renamed above!
13:05 asciilifeform this is a sort of chimera of 'colo' and conventional
13:05 Framedragger ah. rightright.
13:05 mircea_popescu it was an isp. one that on the price front is pretty cool but on the service front sucks.
13:05 Framedragger maybe a matter of renting rack unit vs rack vs cage
13:05 mircea_popescu why the fuck would i want to deal with them anyway.
13:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it could even be the case that the 'no, we won't plug your box in' are not in fact selling physical boxes. but instead are fraudulently peddling vmtron
13:06 asciilifeform or whatever unmanned thing.
13:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they';re the people hosting phuctor.
13:06 asciilifeform could be the case that dulap is 'grandfathered' physical box, but new ones are vm.
13:06 asciilifeform or who knows.
13:07 Framedragger could it be legitimate concern of space in their cramped cages that they are worrying about? (i know, naive interpretation)
13:07 mircea_popescu which, to resolve ~that~ problem, alone eats plenty of yearly thousands of dollars. it alone, the loss leader of one of the projects etc.
13:07 mircea_popescu Framedragger or they have a 3 ring binder, or whatever the fuck. why should i debug their process when instead i could debug yours.
13:07 Framedragger yes.
13:08 * Framedragger posts ad, "need slavegirls, for mopping -- my backlog"
13:08 mircea_popescu !~calc 0.38090752 * 12 * bitcoin-last or what was it
13:10 Framedragger curious, what is phuctor's cpu? xeon e5-4620? v2/v3/v4?
13:14 mircea_popescu the exact machine is in the reports when i got it.
13:20 shinohai Heh `anonymint` reborn locked that other thread, is evidently working on some new vaporware: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18597183#msg18597183
13:30 Framedragger summary of short chat with cherryservers (hey can't hurt): they used to offer colo but do no more (hmh); they "may" consider attaching "arduino-sized" (my description) hardware device, will report back tomorrow after consulting with technicians when they are in.
13:32 Framedragger (sorry for low-level noise, just for posterity.)
13:47 mircea_popescu and in other 56th wave feminisms, https://68.media.tumblr.com/0e8eb89bd01e55b9063a0c1b812f6d8f/tumblr_ngqdo4wLx41sxfvmgo4_1280.jpg
13:57 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/largo-al-factotum-della-citta-della-citta-della/ << Trilema - Largo al factotum della citta, della citta, della...
13:59 mircea_popescu shinohai so basically this is the monero unraveling / going away party or what.
~ 30 minutes ~
14:29 Framedragger https://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf << nothing new, but sat down to read some slides about teh backdoor in question, more technical details, decent overview imho. "slides" because info needs to be patched up from proprietary intel SDKs etc etc
14:32 mircea_popescu fucking intel.
14:32 asciilifeform Framedragger: old
14:34 Framedragger asciilifeform: yeah apparently. but gotta start somewhere. and yeh i understand that shit's different *again* since then
14:35 asciilifeform nah afaik basic scheme is same
14:35 asciilifeform and on amd also very similar
14:35 Framedragger amd "kinda said" they may release full src for coreboot et al., but obvs no dice yet
14:35 asciilifeform signed blobware runs on own, separate core with access to everything (plus own sram)
14:36 Framedragger access to main memory, access to *network* (complete bypass of cpu), yeahyeah... amazing
14:36 asciilifeform Framedragger: if you think they'll release the privkey, i got a bridge to sellya
14:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and of course can't just ablate it
14:37 Framedragger asciilifeform: no, but the src of the separate kernel at the very least. "gotta start somewhere", again. but yeah i know, sisyphus much
14:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope, boobytrapped, box shuts down in iirc 30min
14:37 Framedragger mircea_popescu: machine doesn't boot if you do, it's for enterprise security you understand
14:38 Framedragger (at least in intel ME, from slides i infer that if it doesn't detect the "ME firmware part in BIOS flash", it doesn't even turn on?)
14:38 mircea_popescu and all this happened because well, the dorks that were supposed to stand up against it were jwzing.
14:38 mircea_popescu "for obvious reasons"
14:39 mircea_popescu then they wanna go around pretending like fucking goats is somehow obscene. had they fucked goats instead they'd be quite a lot more respectable.
14:39 asciilifeform 'stand up' how? like rms?
14:39 asciilifeform fat lot of good he did.
14:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform like not buying it.
14:40 mircea_popescu this company will not buy anything with that crap. nor can it -- if it tried everyone'd just leave anyway.
14:40 mircea_popescu how the fuck do smart people stand up agaionst the empire of stupid ? BY NOT BEING PART OF IT. hurr.
14:40 asciilifeform smart people count for ~0, apparently, as economic mass
14:40 Framedragger and yet and yet, all them new xeons....
14:40 mircea_popescu entirely not true.
14:41 asciilifeform the britney buyers -- for ~100%.
14:41 mircea_popescu count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs.
14:41 Framedragger amd dropped coreboot support in (iirc) 2013 *because* it deemed it not profitable. impact to business probably ~0.
14:42 asciilifeform Framedragger: usg seekret decree.
14:42 mircea_popescu https://68.media.tumblr.com/605b6ef15e4f83c974e12f1220d90eee/tumblr_ohtvdoLtKW1v6ijcbo1_500.gif in picrelated.
14:42 asciilifeform 'fritz chip or HaveProblems'
14:42 Framedragger asciilifeform: that's the more dramatic take on it; the other one is "most of linux powerusers are dirt poor, and there aren't many of them [and the companies which *run* on linux do not count as part of the former group.]"
14:43 mircea_popescu Framedragger and why don't they.
14:43 Framedragger they just use linux and do not give a fuck about getting fucked in ass if money keeps flowing in. money from business and customers who *are not* high-principled powerusers
14:43 asciilifeform well for one thing, ~nobody runs linux, they run rathead, africa, other 'i can't believe it's not's
14:44 mircea_popescu Framedragger and why are they capable of hiring anything but sheilas ?
14:44 Framedragger anyway, i don't see much outrage in regards to intel ME outside of tmsr et al.
14:44 mircea_popescu i don't see much thinking outside of tmsr et all.
14:44 asciilifeform ^
14:45 Framedragger yes but this is a bit circular, one of those "prove P: if tmsr, then P; ergo, P"
14:45 mircea_popescu hey, i actually tend to take time out of my day and examine candidates.
14:45 mircea_popescu somehow the examination comes out the same fucking way all the time.
14:46 mircea_popescu either "momentary lapse into lucidity" by dubious author with VERY clenched teeth, usually decade+ old ; or else cat-v/##crypto/tardstalk/reddit/tedx/etcetera.
14:47 asciilifeform Framedragger: whatever things the folx who happily swallow intel cock might do -- 'thinking' is not a legitimate description of any of it
14:47 mircea_popescu the prototype of the former being of course naggum, who would have some rather pointed questions to answer hadn't he taken the easy way out. most of the rest aren't quite that hard stuff, live a life of living death instead, cowering in their basement from tmsr emails etc.
14:48 Framedragger mircea_popescu: there is that. point is, world is ~sheep (when approximated/rounded), they have fiatbux/lifedebtbux, they don't care about these things, intel's profits come at scale, hence investing into "decent tech" is not business-viable. is all i'm sayin'.
14:48 mircea_popescu "whisperers" as alf calls them.
14:48 mircea_popescu Framedragger the point you elide is that all that fiatola "money" is not actually anything.
14:49 * Framedragger checks, can't yet pay for utilities with non-fiat
14:49 mircea_popescu i dunno how you managed to miss the esr poverty discussion and the debian dork murder and the devil's leaves metaphore and everything else.
14:49 mircea_popescu but hey, you got time.
14:49 Framedragger (not disagreeing with core point.)
14:49 mircea_popescu consider : even if i somehow decided to sell a girl, there exists no one who can meaningfully pay for her. what "money" ?
14:49 mircea_popescu "utilities" ?! gimme a break ?
14:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's 'not anything' is true re 'resource-allocatory' moneys
14:50 asciilifeform but not of daily-bread moneys.
14:50 mircea_popescu "count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs."
14:51 mircea_popescu http://68.media.tumblr.com/bd01c81c0c708e3e995ab86652ea19d2/tumblr_ofxifw8zgz1vvfoleo1_500.gif to continue the picrelated trend.
14:51 Framedragger mircea_popescu: alright, more than that: i place higher odds of usd surviving in 2050 if put against btc surviving in 2050. why: a very primitive "age of existence" heuristic. and, i don't trust EC crypto, like, you know, no-one here does. so not willing to put retirement savings into btc. it adds up, utilities, retirement.
14:51 mircea_popescu heh.
14:51 ben_vulpes lol that's a great gif
14:51 mircea_popescu there is ~no chance~ of an usd in 2050.
14:52 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ikr
14:52 asciilifeform 0 of btc, either, geometric db death.
14:52 mircea_popescu rather.
14:53 ben_vulpes the latter at least is fixable.
14:53 mircea_popescu saving in usd, though. for retirement. this gotta take the cake.
14:53 asciilifeform ( before mircea_popescu balks -- 'trbi' ain't btc )
14:53 mircea_popescu i didn't balk.
14:53 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: nope
14:53 Framedragger (just to be clear, this is another is/ought, i was doing the "is" (imho) part ^, not "ought", of course)
14:53 asciilifeform 'saving' dun work
14:53 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: didn't you demonstrate that lookup could be got down to o(1)?
14:54 asciilifeform we had thread
14:54 Framedragger (also, by 'usd' meant a portfolio of different fiats)
14:54 mircea_popescu Framedragger tell you what, review what your grandparents earned in usd when they were your age, figure out how well they'd live on it today.
14:55 mircea_popescu there is no such thing as "different fiats". the chinese made a usd-counerparty-fiat just for the purpose of insulating usg from their economy.
14:55 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: theoretically. but tx grow in number, and ssd grows no cheaper.
14:55 mircea_popescu in this sense, usd=eur=rmb=etc.
14:55 asciilifeform likewise memory.
14:56 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: also recall the 'tx replacement' thread. classical btc has uncorrectable birth defects.
14:57 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: 'If your system is 10 years old or newer it is likely exploitable' << 2009opteron4evah!111 << /me pats 'harpertown' and 'woodcrest' boxes on head. searches classifieds for backups.
14:57 Framedragger mircea_popescu: right, insane inflation. counterpoint "it's all about timing and location" anecdote (purely for entertainment): dad worked in chocolate factory in u.s. back in ~1991, for 2-3mo.; went home with ~ $1k, bought car and flat. ppp!
14:57 mircea_popescu and what's that show ?
14:57 Framedragger "worked for him!"
14:57 mircea_popescu that the braindead fiat of the local socialists was going to outlive the at-the-time republic-of-smart-people currency ?
14:58 Framedragger but yes, saving over multiple decades, different thing *entirely*, of course of course.
14:58 mircea_popescu ass-backwards logic you got going there.
14:58 Framedragger true.
14:58 asciilifeform Framedragger: moreover, there does not exist such a place as from which they won't steal it. whenever they feel like it.
14:58 mircea_popescu yes dude, and some kid worked in bitcoin, bought wife and girlfriend.
14:58 mircea_popescu doh.
14:59 mircea_popescu "framedragger's dad hjad the sense to leave shitistan, worked for dollars in 1991, came back with 1k bought flat, spawned kid, who is too dumb to leave shitistan and work for bitcoin, make 1k, perpetuate the cycle"
14:59 mircea_popescu is the idea that the family line ends with you or what is this anecdote about ?
14:59 Framedragger seems like :D
14:59 Framedragger nah, yeah, i gettit.
14:59 mircea_popescu ask your dad about it!
14:59 trinque I dunno how a kid from .lt thinks whichever govt is everlasting; even the last two cocks that fucked them in the ass withered
14:59 trinque BUT THE THIRD SHALL STAND
15:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall when we had the thread re 'saving' being a magical-thinking delusion as a concept ?
15:00 mircea_popescu well, "the made-1k-realpeoplecurrency-bought flat and cheap hooker in socialistan" anecdote has naught to do with "saving"
15:00 pete_dushenski also, for anyone looking for dc at which to host ssdbox+fuckgoats, you now have an option! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHFsH/?raw=true (cad$189=usd$138 currently, dc located in montreal)
15:01 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski montreal is not part of the world.
15:01 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: nato
15:01 asciilifeform what next, mordor ?
15:02 * pete_dushenski recalls "no natoreich" thread, lowers head.
15:02 Framedragger pete_dushenski: curious how much they'd quote for 256 GB ECC ram :) (phuctor)
15:02 mircea_popescu i'm actually thinking of standing up a similar box for eulora.
15:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: already it is so hungry ??
15:03 mircea_popescu eh, better to overprovision than to underprovision these things. but no, not yet.
15:04 mircea_popescu which is why i'm in no terrible hurry ; trying to spawn actual alternative first etc.
15:06 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: if the baltics are technically in nato per http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm, this leaves approx. russia, china, japan, korea, and... ?
15:06 asciilifeform no kr
15:06 asciilifeform unless north
15:06 mircea_popescu nor japan.
15:06 asciilifeform aha.
15:07 mircea_popescu hey, i'd love one in say syria.
15:07 mircea_popescu i'd have bought in mossul had the idiots been a little less inept
15:07 pete_dushenski ok so russia, china, and moslem middle east / mediterranean ?
15:08 pete_dushenski just trying to map this out.
15:08 mircea_popescu and africa, and south / central america and go on.
15:08 asciilifeform iran.
15:08 mircea_popescu all sorts of independent pacific islands,
15:09 asciilifeform islands tend to have thin bandwidth
15:09 Framedragger unfortunately northern syria (rojava) uses internet via turkish radio towers (checked / had chat with them once). that'd be an interesting location (kurdish autonomous region; i mean, while it lasts....)
15:09 pete_dushenski hm. ok.
15:09 mircea_popescu Framedragger i dun right off know i'd have a problem with turkey.
15:09 Framedragger alsoalso, ideally more than one upstream ^
15:10 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: lol if people want boxes racked in the heart of the empire i can do it for 100/mo for a 2U
15:10 Framedragger mircea_popescu: they have massive firewall, blocking at will. could be not a problem, depending on business case of customers of course. and i guess the counter would be "everyone does"
15:11 mircea_popescu eh they have my foot.
15:11 mircea_popescu let them show me this wonder.
15:11 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: guess so.
15:11 Framedragger they blocked wikipedia like 2 days ago heh
15:11 Framedragger (mp: "this is good!" :D )
15:12 mircea_popescu it is.
15:12 Framedragger https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/ ^
15:12 mircea_popescu the fact that they're blocking the usg tendrils scarcely argues against them.
15:12 * Framedragger finds any "blocking" to be retarded on a fundamental level
15:13 mircea_popescu (no, wikipedia has nothing to do wirth anything BUT usg propaganda.)
15:13 mircea_popescu Framedragger why ? we blockl idiots routinely.
15:13 Framedragger we block idiot "write access", so to speak. not blacklisting IPs in logotrons (yet!)
15:15 mircea_popescu so explain this to me. yesterday i was in ##crypto. after a while i... left. this has the blessed effect that the inept idiocies spewed by some immature dickheads no longer befoul my timeline. turkey allowed wikipedia. then after a while it turned it off. this has the blessed effect thjat immature dickheads no longer befoul its timeline.
15:15 mircea_popescu what is the problem ?
15:16 mircea_popescu and don't tell me "that people themselves should be able to choose". people themselves are morons, will gladly "choose" frozen tacos if given that "choice".
15:16 Framedragger i admit that i still have this notion of "global internet" in my mind, as a +ev thing.
15:17 Framedragger so the disagreement stems from that (naive) premise. other parts of reasoning i cannot disagree with, of course.
15:17 Framedragger what can i say!
15:18 mircea_popescu hey, global internet, yes. not for things though.
15:18 mircea_popescu for people.
15:18 asciilifeform ^
15:18 Framedragger i use wikipedia for quick lookup of $topic sometimes; i also use it as "collection of references to other places" thing. is this fundamentally toxic? maybe.
15:19 asciilifeform Framedragger: would you, personally, meet with any serious difficulty loading pediwikia in tr, cn, etc ?
15:19 mircea_popescu it is fundamentally toxic, yes. this is how you ended up with so many "naive premise can't disagree with other partrs" etc.
15:19 Framedragger asciilifeform: no, and i see what you mean
15:19 mircea_popescu just like it doesn't really matter what specifically you watch on tv, it's still turning you into a single fat middle aged woman.
~ 17 minutes ~
15:37 mircea_popescu the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho
15:37 mircea_popescu p looking just like the display only better.
15:37 mircea_popescu and he wants to save!
15:38 mircea_popescu if a million dollars buys you a decent meal in another 25 years you should count yourself lucky, and that's only 2042, 8 more to go to 2050.
15:41 Framedragger i suppose the alternative is not necessarily "buy up bitcoin" (somehow stuck in mind), but invest in business (and possibly (non-nato, or w/e) real estate). (not against my current plans, just, can't do all at once (yet))
15:41 mircea_popescu yes. the alternative to not being a creature of this world is BEING a creature of this world.
15:41 mircea_popescu nobody said you gotta be a figment of some redditard's imagination, now did they.
15:42 mircea_popescu there is no such thing as "saving" as alf referenced previous discussion because this "saving" is fundamentally and at its core an anti-concept. "how to be powerless while retaining power". nigga, wut ?
15:42 mircea_popescu saving works when it's not saving.
15:47 Framedragger thanks, that makes sense of course.
~ 34 minutes ~
16:21 shinohai mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1890786.msg18828297#msg18828297
16:23 mircea_popescu mmm ?
16:24 shinohai "Does Eulora accept Monero?" lmfao
16:25 * shinohai should start brokering shitcoin for ecu at a btc 2:1 ratio
~ 23 minutes ~
16:48 mircea_popescu shinohai can't see what'd stop you.
16:49 mircea_popescu take whatever shitcoins at whatever margin, legitimate biz.
~ 20 minutes ~
17:09 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: in theory, any objections to a dc located in india ?
17:10 mircea_popescu notrly.
17:11 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
17:11 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: kk.
~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~
18:12 mircea_popescu meanwhile in bed, bath and beyonder, ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009407.msg11522596#msg11522596
18:12 mircea_popescu <tasselteats> https://68.media.tumblr.com/88f1013c04c70da831336badefc9aa2f/tumblr_nns15eqGFN1svmr38o1_1280.gif
18:15 mircea_popescu !!key iluvbtcFOC
18:15 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/C79EE3737EB33779F365FC70E0F9C2E841EE0CD0.asc
18:15 Framedragger "I can vouch for iluvbitcoins. I haven't dealt with him but I have a spoken to him a few times a while back." what
18:16 Framedragger "we have very different notions of 'vouch' in our minds, friendo"
18:18 mircea_popescu well, vouching party not in your wot.
18:24 Framedragger re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
18:31 Framedragger *actually*, one needs to ask their hosting providers if AMT is enabled (BIOS setting), wouldn't hurt
18:33 Framedragger ('provisioning' (see link) is (i think) a separate thing.)
18:35 mircea_popescu eh, they'll be happily churning along years from now. just look at the debian keys or openssh horrors etc.
18:37 Framedragger funny: if one were to follow intel's route of patching firmware, as regards say x220s, lenovo gives update in the form of windows executables
18:38 Framedragger re 'years from now', guess so, can't see why not. fun exploit times! (but seriously, opened ticket at $provider to query about a xeon cpu)
18:43 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646987 << heh https://jrwr.io/doku.php?id=blog:ovh_vrack_security_issue (they did respond and amend fairly quickly, but srsly)
18:43 a111 Logged on 2017-04-21 17:38 davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646944 <<< god no, please no, OVH is a collection of terminally retarded fuckwits living in france's arse hole
18:43 Framedragger "tl;dr: OVH had an issue where your second network card was connected to other servers in the datacenter. This allowed you to run a DHCP server and offer a gateway. This also allows you to MITM several machines outbound traffic, I had 35 machines responding back with DHCP Leases and about 4 routing outbound traffic to me as their router."
18:47 mircea_popescu trinque there's a vulnerability in how deedbot handles registrations in that even with nick enforcing on, one has enough time before chanserv kicks him off (2-3 seconds ?) to shoot a reg string at deedbot and get the name registered to his key.
18:48 Framedragger 30 seconds after nick requested, i believe
18:48 mircea_popescu or that.
18:49 Framedragger (-NickServ- You have 30 seconds to identify to your nickname before it is changed.)
18:49 mircea_popescu aha
18:50 mircea_popescu meanwhile in wet tshirt news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/64e15b06f56eaef9bbc7fbb9897ced32/tumblr_nkfba4hV4o1tu9t4go1_1280.jpg
18:50 Framedragger i like her smile
18:51 mircea_popescu i like her shoes.
18:54 trinque mircea_popescu: idea being to require people to be auth'd to nickserv first?
18:55 mircea_popescu nah, !!v
18:56 mircea_popescu if he can't then trash the reg.
18:57 Framedragger mircea_popescu: what does that accomplish? !!v to show that key i'm registering is indeed owned by me?
18:59 mircea_popescu yes.
18:59 mircea_popescu oh doh, it proves nothing, huh.
19:01 mircea_popescu i guess this is one of those, "pretend like your name reg is worth something without deedbot at your own peril" impedance mismatches not really worth fixing.
19:02 Framedragger almost as if the thing would need to wait and then send a challenge to that same nick, but this is kinda promisetronic i guess.
19:02 Framedragger aha maybe..
19:02 trinque yeah, sorta tape over "we don't own the ircd"
19:02 mircea_popescu Framedragger yeah, not sure how much work i want expended to support nickserv's fiatista notions of dns.
19:03 mircea_popescu trinque more like, yet another case of bad dns implemented ad-hoc by pretenders.
~ 1 hours 36 minutes ~
20:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650704 << over here, all 3 grades of petrol are 10% etoh
20:39 a111 Logged on 2017-05-01 21:11 deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
20:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650686 << this is brain-meltingly...
20:54 a111 Logged on 2017-05-01 19:37 mircea_popescu: the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho
20:54 asciilifeform cheap.
20:55 asciilifeform even if not incl. rents
20:56 * asciilifeform wonders what 'new life's go for nowadays. 8mil?
20:57 asciilifeform that's approx what asciilifeform's threshhold for 'bag of usd large enough to be felt'.
20:57 Framedragger (in fairness, it wasn't 'newlifeomg!', it was 'a buncha things in 1991~2 .lt during bank crisis etc')
20:58 * Framedragger sleeps
20:58 asciilifeform Framedragger: over here in 'free' world , 'bank crisis' dun mean 'things get cheap', it means typically that you lose job/house/etc.
21:00 asciilifeform btw asciilifeform was just now in a dock yard. readers may be enlightened to learn that 8k usd does not even buy a rowboat. y'know, the kind with oars.
21:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650717 << dun look like any other patch is available, or planned
21:08 a111 Logged on 2017-05-01 22:37 Framedragger: funny: if one were to follow intel's route of patching firmware, as regards say x220s, lenovo gives update in the form of windows executables
21:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650713 << again it makes 0 sense to say 'turns out, amt was vulnerable'. it IS A vuln, from day1
21:13 a111 Logged on 2017-05-01 22:24 Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
21:14 asciilifeform whether lizard hitler alone, or 10,001 scriptkiddie derps, have the key, is immaterial
21:14 asciilifeform is this really a hard concept ??
~ 29 minutes ~
21:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform eh, 8k buys you like two cars here.
21:45 mircea_popescu also a row boat where you live goes for $200 to $800 depending on model.
21:47 mircea_popescu http://www.ebay.com/itm/Peterborough-Canoe-Natural-Finish-36-Wooden-Handmade-Row-Boat-Model-NEW-/282282237687 << the $200 model.
~ 22 minutes ~
22:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is more in line with my naive picture.
22:09 asciilifeform tbh i have nfi why the local market is what it is. maybe racing-grade custom shitanium boatz.
22:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650760 << new?!
22:12 a111 Logged on 2017-05-02 01:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, 8k buys you like two cars here.
22:12 mircea_popescu what new, costa rica produces cars now ?
22:13 asciilifeform maybe cuban-style 'lada chassis, new toyota motor'..
22:15 asciilifeform btw pete_dushenski would appreciate the scene : old pickup truck on street, sign 'for sale' : 28k usd.
22:15 asciilifeform nothing, as far as i could tell, remarkable about it
22:16 mod6 !!key pete_dushenski
22:16 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD.asc
22:18 mats https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr
22:18 asciilifeform mats: see today's logs
22:19 mats ya but that dummy had nothing but insinuations
22:19 mats and claims as to 'our team was looking for hardware backdoors' when the guy's a 'journalist' is dubious at best
22:19 mircea_popescu burned hole, "plox upgrade to new one" business as usual.
22:20 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650713
22:20 a111 Logged on 2017-05-01 22:24 Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
22:23 mats oh
~ 44 minutes ~
23:08 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650704 << over here, all 3 grades of petrol are 10% etoh << aha. i recalled that your swampy corner of the continent was so afflicted. california is even worse iirc.
23:08 a111 Logged on 2017-05-01 21:11 deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
23:08 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650746 << recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641265
23:08 a111 Logged on 2017-05-02 00:54 asciilifeform: cheap.
23:08 a111 Logged on 2017-04-10 01:43 mircea_popescu is more than willing to share his dollar-a-lb bounty with l1 all-comers. i also made myself fruit salad out of [actually ripe] mango, [actually ripe] pineapple, [actually ripe] banmanas, drenched in fresh oj etc.
23:09 pete_dushenski cr no es muy caro
23:09 BingoBoingo Here ethanol free is available from stations near lakes
23:09 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: could you take a picture of said $28k pickup ?
23:10 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: so powerboats don't seize up or what ?
~ 31 minutes ~
23:42 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i will, if it turns up again
23:42 asciilifeform iirc was a toyota.
23:49 pete_dushenski nice.
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