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00:00 mircea_popescu and in more important developments, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8f9d9c8e8f4d3d6443fba92903b5be90/tumblr_mw8ozzv6lu1sipmspo1_1280.jpg
00:02 ben_vulpes cnn: "comey's letter may be too little, too late"
00:05 mircea_popescu heh
00:05 mircea_popescu they STILL can't say "we blew it" can they.
00:06 ben_vulpes i retain hope for the glorious trumpenreich
00:06 ben_vulpes "but why ben_vulpes but whyyyyyy?"
00:06 ben_vulpes "because you react like that, duh"
00:06 mircea_popescu lol
00:07 ben_vulpes oh and in other glorious socialist republics of oregon, a 2% tax on corporate sales made it to the ballot this year.
00:08 ben_vulpes "but only for corps with revenue of over 25MM!"
00:08 mircea_popescu lol
00:10 ben_vulpes a) "do you really think that will last?" b) "that's pretty amusingly accidentally regressive, as ~all companies 'serving' the poor satisfy that"
00:10 trinque ben_vulpes: so we're going to be taking businesses from OR like we are CA, eh?
00:10 ben_vulpes someone actually advanced the argument that "there's no evidence that corporations will pass the cost on"
00:10 trinque that's fine.
00:11 ben_vulpes trinque: do business here, pay taxes on it here iirc.
00:11 mircea_popescu there's also no evidence that a bunch of dorks can make rules for people with money.
00:11 trinque ben_vulpes: why would they want to continue to do that?
00:11 mircea_popescu trinque the idea is that "someone will have to".
00:11 ben_vulpes my dumb ass apparently
00:11 trinque lel
00:12 mircea_popescu don't worry ben_vulpes by the time you're as poor as mark twain's nigger called jerry, you'll be just as energetic and passionate i'm sure!
00:12 mircea_popescu holds discourse on top of wood pile that used to be arts and crafts section.
00:13 ben_vulpes "baby, we're well beyond 'middle class'. d'you remember how 'middle class' for our parents went? the 2 cars outside would be new, and we'd not be pent up in 800ft^2. parts of the country can't drink well water because 'fraking'. when is bad bad enough?"
00:13 mircea_popescu something like that. except with more brimstone and firebrand.
00:14 ben_vulpes gotta kill a bunch of dreams first
00:17 mircea_popescu you got plenty of time.
00:21 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: when is latvia going to dump the eu for putin's sweet embrace?
00:25 mircea_popescu i dunno, ask Framedragger neh ?
00:25 mircea_popescu i shall however presently dump teh irc for ... well, a sweet embrace.
~ 16 minutes ~
00:42 BingoBoingo !!up soneelks
00:42 deedbot soneelks voiced for 30 minutes.
00:45 soneelks i must confess its not rly sonelks but the election is near
00:49 soneelks its vex
00:49 soneelks can we stuff ballets or does the lordship have a preference?
00:52 soneelks so thats 8 zero fucks: enjoy your lunch
00:53 soneelks if i might, you cunts are stylish as fuck
00:55 soneelks so, it's lamb with abllet dancers
00:57 soneelks *ballet
00:58 soneelks (it's actually goat but the chef says it's lamb)
01:02 soneelks okay so now i look like a total faggot. just let me know if you need anything
01:03 BingoBoingo http://www.defensenews.com/articles/new-warships-big-guns-have-no-bullets
01:04 soneelks oh those are big screen tvs sir
01:08 soneelks they barely work
~ 16 minutes ~
01:25 adlai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563302 << what passes for 'real college' these days? ("anything outside of usgschwitz" is a bit of a cop-out)
01:25 a111 Logged on 2016-11-07 12:26 mircea_popescu: kids who go to real college where they learn real science also learn intrinsically this, that to asq a question is to beg for money, and to disguise your questions as anything else is felonious. so they get an over-active self censor. meanwhile the idiots who do not go to real college, but to fake empire college learn that they can overpower their better peers through sheer gab. because "human rights" and "freedom of speech"
01:25 adlai also !~later tell vexual or whatever you call yourself these days, telling me "you can PM me too" but then never being online, and changing nicks, is not a great way to get PMed
~ 1 hours 16 minutes ~
02:42 adlai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554171 << meanwhile a tale from the local unreal-college-cum-kindergarden: "in this class, i teach you classical mechanics. we will not cover quantum mechanics, which tells you how small things behave over small distances; nor special relativity, which describes the behavior of things at high speeds; nor general relativity, which describes the effect of standing next to
02:42 a111 Logged on 2016-10-09 03:59 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyJN3R_TbcY << will leave this here.
02:42 adlai your mother"
02:44 ben_vulpes remedial physics or what
02:47 * ben_vulpes received his assembly instruction manual for the corvette today, has been a solid remedial american cars course so far
02:47 ben_vulpes also holy heck computers ruined cars, not in their automation but in the inane horseshit the engineers crapped out once they could re-diddle every part every year
02:48 * ben_vulpes also went for a ride in a friend's lotus elise, a car that basically does not change from year to year
02:49 adlai supposedly "this chemistry department is the one that has the most non-chemistry (ie, physics and math) prerequisites of all chemistry departments in israel, maybe even the entire world" ...mkay
02:50 adlai ben_vulpes: i assume this is more of an "owner's manual" type thing, and you're not now staring at twenty crates of corvette parts that you're gonna put together yourself?
02:50 * adlai would not object to the latter, given time and space to work; but doesn't think they make'em like that anymore?
02:52 ben_vulpes adlai: no, this is an actual assembly manual.
02:52 ben_vulpes repro, but a very fine one.
02:53 ben_vulpes the car is ~intact. the AIM is a reference tome on how it went together in the first place.
02:54 adlai so, still useful for best ways to replace parts that wear?
03:05 ben_vulpes i have 2 smallish repairs on the docket: replacing the seatbelt and fixing the blend door in the HVAC system. coming up with a plan for the first was trivial, once i had assembly plans for the seats and restraints in hand. i have a bead on how to diagnose the hvac blend as well, similarly derived from the heat control actuator harness assembly diagrams.
03:06 ben_vulpes odds are that The Vacuum System actuating the blend door is leaking. upside is that this may take my idle from 1050 down to 800 (and possibly even reclaim some HP) if i do plug some leaks.
03:09 adlai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563741 << btw, excuse my nitpicks, but 'crack' is actually the verb for separating the various hydrocarbons apart from crude
03:09 a111 Logged on 2016-11-07 20:24 ben_vulpes: semi tempted to spin up a portland/oregon city water taxi just to crack more hydrocarbons apart.
03:10 ben_vulpes yeah, i'm aware that it's a term of art in the refining biz.
03:11 ben_vulpes burning them is a further reduction in chain length.
03:12 adlai er that's not quite right either. confirming that i didn't spew nonsense into the internet reveals that, while cracking does describe part of the process of turning heterogenous crude into several homogenous smaller-chain hydrocarbons, it typically does involve breaking bonds
03:13 adlai but iiuc combustion is a pretty total obliteration of chains. co2 isn't often referred to as 1,1-methandione, is it?
03:14 ben_vulpes not unless you're trying to ruin the joke, no
03:15 * adlai takes off hat, for dearly departed joke
03:15 ben_vulpes rip
03:15 ben_vulpes rip joke
03:17 ben_vulpes hydrocarbons refine well into high-grade fun and a fine fog of single-link carbon chains.
03:18 * ben_vulpes waits for adlai to ask "what the heck kind of chain has a single link, anyways"
03:19 adlai twice deprotonated formaldehyde?
03:20 ben_vulpes k.peg
~ 43 minutes ~
04:04 ben_vulpes https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/11/07/america-has-never-had-so-much-tv-and-even-hollywood-is-overwhelmed/ << turkeys leaking
04:05 ben_vulpes oh good grief and in which i discover https://www.planetoftheapps.com/
~ 4 hours 8 minutes ~
08:14 mircea_popescu ok, so i'm ready to adjudicate in the matter of the hallo ween st. elliot fanfic contest.
08:14 mircea_popescu it is an interesting task, because the entries all suffer from the same affliction, which is formalism, but suffer from it in very different ways. bingoboingo's has a very formal composition - he's deliberately and evidently put anything & the kitchen sink in there ; diana's very formally constructed, she starts from a tiny base in stark contrast to bingoboingo's all-engulfing endlessness then follows all the angles methodica
08:14 mircea_popescu lly resulting in something like a sugar cube ; hanbot's formal in form, which either through inhabituation or because poetry is an actual and legitimate artform (which seems rather dubious to be honest) is less grating than the other two.
08:14 mircea_popescu therefore i proclaim her the winner, with the mention that while none of the participants are exactly yet shakespeare, they're certainly much further down the path of shakespearing than the common man, and so congratulations!
08:25 diana_coman congrats hanbot
~ 31 minutes ~
08:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563912 << anything where half or more of the hopefuls fail to make it in, AND half or more of the first year fails to pass into 2nd. it must be selective in this sense, with an understanding that most extant fenotypes are biological failures of no further interest or value.
08:57 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 06:25 adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563302 << what passes for 'real college' these days? ("anything outside of usgschwitz" is a bit of a cop-out)
08:57 mircea_popescu a fake college is on the contrary, one built on the insane premise that there's a space and a future for all walkers.
08:58 * adlai will keep a rough headcount as the years pass
08:58 mircea_popescu should be directly obvious. do the teachers publicly rebuff students for being inadequate and ask them to leave ?
08:58 mircea_popescu if not, not real college.
08:59 adlai i've yet to witness a student getting thrown out of a lecture at TAU (was done reasonably often by certain teachers at exeter), although - they often basically tell students to shut up and ask questions privately afterwards
09:00 mircea_popescu fake college.
09:00 asciilifeform a bit more complicated, where i went to school we had ~both~ types, on one campus
09:00 mircea_popescu that's what they do at wellesley.
09:00 mircea_popescu college works exactly like greenspun memorialized : "the reason you are having trouble with this problem is because you aren't very smart and aren't woking very hard."
09:01 mircea_popescu he failed to include the "please go away", but anyway.
09:02 BingoBoingo congrats hanbot
09:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform as oft happens, they make whore (camp followers, whatever) quarters as close as practicable.
09:03 mircea_popescu ironically this makes army (at least in the pre 90s implementation) very much a college ; which is a determination i stand by.
09:07 adlai congratulations hanbot !
09:07 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Haynes, Chilton, or is there a more exotic third party manual because cool car?
09:07 * shinohai cheers hanbot! [~]D
09:08 adlai BingoBoingo to answer your http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-30#1560313, along with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562925, my time lately is taken up with navigating kindergarden in search of any shreds of 'realcollege' waiting to be picked up
09:08 a111 Logged on 2016-10-30 04:24 BingoBoingo: Thus concludes my entry into the Elliot fanfic contest. Your move adlai!
09:08 a111 Logged on 2016-11-04 17:48 asciilifeform snored and continues to snoar through it.
09:08 mircea_popescu is that a dildohat ?
09:12 shinohai Would you care to buy some boulders in #eulora? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGu82LQ5ZDM
09:12 mircea_popescu sure.
09:16 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563895 << heh! plenty o' russians in latvia. i think 2020 is the year when the eu bribe moneys for the baltics will begin to dry up, so maybe about that time? lithuania on the other hand is in full "satan putin is preparing for nuclear" warmongering mode. helps the centre-right party and its "foreign policy" line
09:16 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 05:21 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: when is latvia going to dump the eu for putin's sweet embrace?
09:17 Framedragger it's a funny set of "countries"
09:18 mircea_popescu hey, given two 16yo friends, one of which is in full "he is totally satan evil guy" and the other "hey, my current bf is buying me a car, but maybe once he loses his job", which do you think you fuck first ?
09:19 Framedragger the latter appears more rational and therefore to a degree more sexy, but the former may be into s/m
09:19 Framedragger so not sure
09:19 mircea_popescu we're discussing what they do not what you do.
09:19 mircea_popescu the strength of feeling is what matters, not its "direction", esp not as self-reported by the feeler.
09:20 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i can't bridge the parallel in my mind.
09:20 mircea_popescu well, all baltics are 16 yo.
09:20 Framedragger for sure.
09:21 Framedragger i guess the former may have more 'spirit'
09:21 mircea_popescu what's the term, last minute resistance
09:23 Framedragger i see the point. yah, it's more funky that way
09:24 Framedragger so that's cute
09:24 mircea_popescu :p
09:24 mircea_popescu anyway, who the fuck knows, just dicking around
09:24 mircea_popescu o wait, has trump won yet ?
09:24 * mircea_popescu just remembered it's today innit ?
09:25 Framedragger boy you should see the headlines on the most popular online "news portal". right now top page has "COULD THE THIRD WORLD BE STARTING _HERE_?" http://i.imgur.com/pwSfF1R.png
09:25 mircea_popescu aww no election results yet ? wtf is this.
09:26 Framedragger yeah! such a nice day
09:26 mircea_popescu ohohohohoh
09:26 mircea_popescu check this shit out :
09:27 mircea_popescu http://nypost.com/2016/11/08/voters-in-first-towns-to-close-polls-give-trump-early-lead/
09:27 Framedragger ahh, good stuff
09:27 mircea_popescu i guess these must be the ones without diebolix machines ?
09:28 mircea_popescu Framedragger mind you : he has a 32-25 margin over clinton IN NEW HAMPSHIRE
09:28 mircea_popescu i guess that "firewall" was mostly made of shit.
09:28 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you qntra or shall i ?
09:28 Framedragger yeah i thought it was leftist weed central or sth
09:28 mircea_popescu it is.
09:29 Framedragger :p
09:36 asciilifeform margin in... 'towns with population < 100' ??
09:47 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/r7ak6/?raw=true <
09:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so ?
09:47 mircea_popescu what, "i make a loss on every sale but i hope to make it up on volume" ?
09:53 * adlai has been in polling stations, more than 100 people vote in 'cities'
09:58 mircea_popescu new hampshire traditionally has the early closed ballots because all the small towns can close as soon as all ballots are cast and the residents usually show up at midnight and vote.
10:11 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/11/ << Qntra - Trump carries early New Hampshire
10:11 * PeterL voted this morning, was number 53 in the precinct
10:19 mod6 Mr. Popescu, Lords, and General Assembly: Today, I'd like to take a moment to observe and congratulate The Most Serene Republic on it's Second Independence Day!
10:19 mod6 Viva TMSR~, Salud!
10:19 * trinque cheers, whistles
10:19 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
10:19 mod6 o7
10:20 mircea_popescu meanwhile at trump's nubile slave camp (built on the grounds of the previous university of maryland), http://68.media.tumblr.com/a05108e779e29c701a843635d51d37e9/tumblr_n7blnb5eUz1r81lgko1_1280.jpg
10:20 mircea_popescu mod6 hear hear!
10:21 mod6 hanbot: also congrats on your song!
10:22 * shinohai blows vuvuzela behind the woman sitting next to mod6
10:32 * hanbot would like to thank her fellow contestants for their literary companionship, and the congratulators for their congratulations, the republic for its independence, and reserva san juan.
10:32 hanbot cheers all
10:37 asciilifeform lel, asciilifeform is standing in queue to stuff 'paper ballot' into... diebold scanner.
10:37 asciilifeform suuuuch paper
10:37 asciilifeform suuuch undiebolding.
10:38 asciilifeform 'colour the circles!'
10:40 * BingoBoingo woke up today an undecided voter. It was weird. I had every intention of voting for my boy Gary Johnson, but on the drive to the polling place uncertainty hit me. And this the 124th ballot in the 5th precinct of Helvitia township in Madison County, Illinois was submitted for the TrumpenReich
10:43 * BingoBoingo hits the showers
10:43 PeterL people keep telling me that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Trump (because it is somehow stealing a vote from Hillary, who we only want to vote for to stop the monster Trump), so I guess I voted for TrumpReich too
10:46 asciilifeform heil tritler.
10:59 * danielpbarron abstains from voting
11:02 BingoBoingo PeterL: Doing the math for myself and seeing how empty the box of registered voter cards was it appeared that in my jurisdiction voting Johnson would have been stealing from Trump to help Hillary. #MakeIllinoisASwingState
11:05 mircea_popescu lol reserva san juan
11:05 mircea_popescu (local brandy)
11:05 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dun worry about it, they'll fix it later if the counts don't come out right
11:06 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, they'll just have more undeaded ballots next door in St Clair County to balance it out.
11:08 mircea_popescu PeterL those people read way too much myspace, which is how they ended up with the notion that hillary has a chance or something.
11:09 mircea_popescu generally in bipartisan systems a vote downlist has principally the effect of hurting the favorite. that much is correct. nevertheless, the notion that hillary's a favourite is ludicrous.
11:09 mircea_popescu she lost fucking nh, she's going to carry california and thaqt's it. first presidential candidate with <10% of electoral votes in the history of that empire.
11:17 PeterL Landon only got about 1% of electoral votes
11:18 mircea_popescu PeterL ima cop out and say the empire only begins post ww2.
11:19 PeterL Mondale only got 2.4 %
11:19 PeterL or does he not count either?
11:20 mircea_popescu ima man up and admit i have nfi what i'm talking about then!
11:20 mircea_popescu who the fuck even knew someone actually ran against reagan 2.
11:20 BingoBoingo !~google alf landon
11:20 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Alf Landon - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_Landon>; United States presidential election, 1936 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1936>; Alf Landon , G.O.P. Stand-Bearer, Dies at 100 - The New York Times: <http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0909.html>
11:20 mircea_popescu (gotta admit mondale totally looks the part)
11:25 PeterL I have seen a bunch of memes popping up on arsebook praising Obummer for having "8 years with no scandals", they seem to forget that the scandals plaguing Hillary stem from her time as part of the Obummer administration
11:25 mircea_popescu they also seem to forget the five or so times putin pulled his pants down and fucked him like a little bitch in front of intl orgs.
11:26 mircea_popescu or the time his inept healthcare bill nearly sent the country into insolvency.
11:26 PeterL but at least he hasn't had any sexual scandals come to light! (yet)
11:26 mircea_popescu or the time he destroyed the last shreds of respectability for the supreme court, what with the tax that's not a tax.
11:26 mircea_popescu or the other five thousand billion times.
11:26 BingoBoingo Also Obola had scandals "Fast and Furious", "Malia Twerking", etc
11:27 PeterL prog: puts hands over ears "la la la I can't hear you, you racist!"
11:27 mircea_popescu right. there were no scandals because he's dumb and deaf.
11:28 PeterL Obama remais a clean slate, everything just slides off him, and the progs still project all their pet policies onto him despite his actual actions to the contrary
11:29 mircea_popescu iirc indiana and kentucky close at 6, so should be interesting
11:29 mircea_popescu "oh, those don't count because trump won"
11:30 PeterL right, those lean republican so they don't matter because they were already baked into the polls that they would swing trump
11:30 mircea_popescu PeterL and the fundamental reason is that he's black and they're racist. in their minds, he's subhuman, and consequently incapable of action, intent, responsibility etc.
11:30 mircea_popescu PeterL yeah, up until the vote turns out +20 trump rather than +4 as the polls showed.
11:30 PeterL and the girls think he has a sexy speaking voice
11:30 mircea_popescu the girls just think he's a tall black man with a small dick.
11:31 mircea_popescu so a) all their friends will think they're fucking a submarine AND b) they won't actually get torn cunts.
11:31 Framedragger mircea_popescu: curious, if you're referring to obamacare re. healthcare bill, what did you mean re insolvency? or was that more in jest? ACA reduced budget deficit; but my knowledge is very superficial, so..
11:31 mircea_popescu it was not in jest. you recall the shutdown ?
11:32 Framedragger not particularly. states were able to opt out of ACA which was not in the original plan; but the shutdown?
11:32 * Framedragger possibly behind on the times
11:33 mircea_popescu !#s government shutdown
11:33 a111 15 results for "government shutdown", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=government%20shutdown
11:33 Framedragger mircea_popescu: oh, that. budget not getting approved, you mean
11:33 Framedragger hm
11:34 Framedragger sure, that was a shitshow
11:34 mircea_popescu no, i mean obama fucking up with his healthcare bill and nearly sending the country into insolvency thereby.
11:34 Framedragger but i thought it was just a negotiating tactic by the republicans - had happened before
11:34 mircea_popescu unless you want to put it on the same sex marriage idiocy, but this is bestowing unwarranted importance on the faggot party.
11:35 mircea_popescu lol. and what else, putin just didn't understand how the world works ?
11:35 mircea_popescu "negotiation tactic". obama fucked up the healthcare.
11:35 Framedragger okay
11:35 mircea_popescu incidentally, they all AGREE today that he fucked it up. and it "needs to be fixed".
11:35 Framedragger (re. putin, can't see how one could disagree there)
11:36 mircea_popescu somehow they ALSO all omit to point out that a) they were wrong and b) the others were right ; or propose any sort of penitence, such as you know, hanging themselves.
11:36 Framedragger i thought part of the fuck up was "what happens if you pass half of the bill through". something like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542331
11:36 a111 Logged on 2016-09-15 14:47 Framedragger: mein gott. decided to deploy one of the newer 'productivity web apps' for work, official install is through docker, and *obviously* official docker install is `wget -qO- https://get.docker.com/ | sh`. BUT LOOK at the end of that legit2000.sh is:
11:36 mircea_popescu it was badly thought out, badly written, bad all through.
11:37 mircea_popescu it's always tempting to say that "this dish is shit, but let me add some sauce", as if the superset of shit somehow redeems the individual turds.
11:37 Framedragger right, okay, fair enough.
11:37 mircea_popescu it never works. but what's a bureaucrat to say.
11:38 PeterL the year obamacare came into effect my health insurance cost went up 300%, with the same coverage
11:38 Framedragger lol.
11:38 mircea_popescu his experience is not that atypical.
11:38 Framedragger what a clusterfuck
11:38 mircea_popescu basically the whole thing was about govt corps needing a new prop for their feltering bezzle fortune. and he acquiesced. and the idiots think he's a democrat.
11:39 mircea_popescu the result of letting the kids on reddit instead of keeping them chained to a pole half the day with water and quarterly whippings.
11:39 PeterL and reports are that it will go up ~25% this year, I think that may have been one of the things tipping the polls away from clinton at the last moment
11:39 mircea_popescu last moment my foot she's been bleeding votes over it all summer.
11:40 BingoBoingo PeterL: 25% is the least it is going up depending on your ZIP code
11:40 mircea_popescu the idiots may think that unreported crime/fires/rapes/whatever never happened, but it's not how it works.
11:40 PeterL well, there was a visible change in the reported polls over the last couple weeks, that is what I am referring to
11:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they raped him more last time because "not in electorally sensitive locale". the people who got it easy then for that reason are getting shafted now
11:40 mircea_popescu it all balances out, so that the usg can pretend it has a gdp and the oligarchy can pretend it's in business.
11:40 mircea_popescu the business of squandering the tax receipts, but w/e.
11:41 PeterL basic economics: if they wanted prices to go down they should have increased supply (hire more doctors), instead they increased demand (forced everybody to buy the "insurance")
11:42 PeterL suprise suprise, the cost went up
11:42 mircea_popescu they can't hire more doctors, because they're already hiring all the doctors that exist.
11:42 trinque speaking of the motherfucking health care, my premium for the shittiest plan that's available just went up by 32%
11:42 PeterL they could pay to put more people through doctor school, or something
11:42 mircea_popescu the only way out is to separate medical care from social security ; and to shoot anyone found to have engaged in fraud for the past decade.
11:43 trinque but it is not a tax y'see!
11:43 mircea_popescu PeterL right, because if i put more people through the clothes shredder i'll get more supermodels right ?
11:43 trinque because they launder it through an "insurance company"
11:44 PeterL there is also the stupid US practice of tying health insurance to your employment, instead of having an open market
11:45 PeterL I don't expect car insurance to be covered by my employer, why is health insurance different?
11:46 trinque has nothing to do with health
11:46 trinque it's a poll tax
11:46 PeterL I thought that was one of the things obummercare was supposed to fix, but it seems the only options offered are hyperexpensive
11:49 mircea_popescu the us health care problem has only one solution, and it's compressive not expansive. a) shoot all the malades imaginaires (such as, fine example, https://archive.is/yyQny). these literally have to be shot, no possible two ways about it ; b) make it impossible for doctors to give the patient benefits. no days off from work ; no financial payments dependent on what doctor says on paper. nothing. no more painkillers of any kind
11:49 mircea_popescu dispensed in the us by health insurance.
11:50 mircea_popescu once that's done, 98 to 99.9% of all "costs" suddenly vanish, and suddenly you get a sane health system.
11:51 mircea_popescu make it illegal to medicalize convenience, of all kinds. i get it that it'd be convenient for the politicians if the doctors distributed social payola to the poor under the pretense of "health". dun work that way regardless.
11:54 PeterL ^ WTF, why does this derp think we want to hear about their sinus infection? What is wrong with these people?
11:55 mircea_popescu much like black mold, they took advantage of a dirty environment and spread.
11:55 mircea_popescu but she's the reason for MOST of the medical costs.
11:57 mircea_popescu (if you don't understand who "alexandra erin" is, see http://archive.is/km1CJ <--> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469868 ).
11:57 a111 Logged on 2016-05-20 20:33 mircea_popescu: and what's worse, the "wiki" style is proven not to work. even something originally as promising as tvtropes has over the years decayed into this unfunny collection of tiresome goop.
12:00 asciilifeform https://archive.is/MtHw7 << meanwhile, in the ~other~ india.
12:01 asciilifeform 'Rs 500 and 1000 currency notes stand abolished from midnight: PM Modi Live update of PM Narendra Modi's address to the Nation. Corruption, terrorism, black money weakening the nation.'
12:01 mircea_popescu heh.
12:01 mircea_popescu india wanna be india.
12:01 asciilifeform '“Banks will be closed tomorrow. It will cause some hardship to you….Let us ignore these hardships… In country’s history, there comes a moment when people will want to participate in the nation building and reconstruction. Very few such moments come in life,” Modi said.'
12:01 asciilifeform coming soon to an india near you (tm) (r)
12:01 mircea_popescu they're so fucked...
12:02 mircea_popescu traditionally the arab horde fought west first, east 2nd.
12:02 asciilifeform and holy fuck, hour+ queue for ONE (yes, one) ballotron.
12:02 mircea_popescu lol. but why, aren't you in a blue state ?
12:03 asciilifeform as blue as it gets.
12:03 asciilifeform they simply did not see any reason to install >1
12:03 mircea_popescu how do you reconcile this with the grand lizzard plan ?
12:03 asciilifeform interestingly, the thing had a counter display
12:03 asciilifeform it said something like '391 ballots; 1400 protected ballots'
12:03 asciilifeform i have nfi what the latter refers to.
12:12 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> and holy fuck, hour+ queue for ONE (yes, one) ballotron. << It took two minutes to check in and take myself to one one the many booths. Even with pollig place crowded.
12:14 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> lol. but why, aren't you in a blue state ? << "Blue" areas for some reason have shit voting infrastructure though "Blue" Politicians talk of making voting easier. Meanwhile in "Red" areas voting just works.
12:14 trinque same, though I went last week. only lulz were some old guy yelling at staff about how he's been voting for 40 years and so on.
12:14 trinque in and out in ~5min
12:16 BingoBoingo Likely hypothesis is "blue" areas suck because of all the rigging that has to be navigated around without tripping. Thus adventures the good shit socialism on the sulphur sea of lies.
12:17 mircea_popescu heh
12:21 BingoBoingo !~google hubbard franks st louis
12:21 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bruce Franks Jr. Beats Penny Hubbard in Special Election ...: <http://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2016/09/16/bruce-franks-jr-beats-penny-hubbard-in-special-election-landslide>; Judge orders new election for Hubbard / Franks state representative ...: (1 more message)
12:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: rubbish infrastructure because they dun actually ~count~ them ballots, and annoyed when too many chumps show up to fill the useless bin
12:21 BingoBoingo ^Someone tripped and fell overboard
12:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Naturally. They prolly count the undead ballots where you are
12:22 asciilifeform btw in state of md all you need to vote is the name, street addr, and bday of somebody registered.
12:22 asciilifeform they 'ideologically' refuse to see any papers etc.
12:25 mircea_popescu heh
12:25 mircea_popescu and no pubkeys either amirite.
12:25 asciilifeform no tits either.
12:25 mircea_popescu o right, which reminds me, http://68.media.tumblr.com/36fea82e5532ba2cc9ecd263a12b2434/tumblr_n6o560mtB21ty32nco1_1280.jpg
12:26 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yesb1/?raw=true << in other lulz.
12:27 asciilifeform ^ seekrit-evidence trial.
12:28 asciilifeform e.g., 'This case is complex because it involves classified discovery that requires a top secret clearance to review. In order to make use of the classified discovery at trial, counsel will have to engage in CIPA litigation. This requires that defense counsel be able to review the discovery, determine a trial strategy and decide what discovery and evidence will be necessaryfor trial, in advance of the currentlyscheduled hearing date o
12:28 asciilifeform f July 5. Defense counsel received the discovery in a SCIF on June 13, 2016. This includes, however, a disc of emails that cannot currently be reviewed, as a secure computer has not yet been provided, as well as the files of the case agents, which are also classified and were not previously available to counsel..'
12:30 mircea_popescu lol. defendant's counsel is unable to review 1tb of data in a foreign language + 36k individual records also in a foreign language made available by prosecution a week before trial date.
12:30 mircea_popescu consequently, public defendant todd richman will take over.
12:30 asciilifeform aha.
12:30 mircea_popescu because why, todd richman is magically able to read and comprehend data at that rate ?
12:30 asciilifeform because you know what.
12:30 asciilifeform these have become tediously predictable.
12:31 mircea_popescu pretty much.
12:31 asciilifeform oh, strange:
12:32 asciilifeform the original pdf had the offered plea agreement
12:32 asciilifeform it didn't ocr.
12:32 asciilifeform ( https://cryptome.org/2016/11/mohan-nirala.pdf , yes )
12:32 asciilifeform i had never previously seen these iirc.
12:32 asciilifeform quite a read.
12:33 asciilifeform the indictment itself is also non-ocr'd apparently.
12:34 asciilifeform d00d is on trial for having clitlered away some secret map etc.
12:34 mircea_popescu amusingly, the internets never heard of this mohan nirala before.
12:34 mircea_popescu sez google.
12:34 trinque hey, FBI could review 650k e-mails in however many days
12:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg. unsealed doc.
12:34 trinque top minds in govt
12:34 mircea_popescu trinque yes but those weren't classified.
12:34 trinque oic
12:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform are you writing a qntra here ?
12:35 asciilifeform 'willful retention of national defense information.'
12:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no, it is fair game for who wants to.
12:35 asciilifeform ( BingoBoingo ? )
12:35 * BingoBoingo handsfull
12:35 mircea_popescu well any of the aspiring young'uns looking for stuff to do works.
12:38 mircea_popescu back to the lulzpocalypse, there's exactly 0 reporting on early voting / outside-the-booth polls / etc from the pantsuit media.
12:38 mircea_popescu apparently it looks THAT bad.
12:39 asciilifeform 'clinton declared winner in guam'
12:40 BingoBoingo http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/exit-polls-what-do-voters-want-230935 << LOLOLOL TRUMPREICH!
12:40 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/rX2d5 )
12:43 asciilifeform 'Barring a frightening and horrifying upset, later tonight Hillary Clinton will make history when she becomes the first woman to ever be elected president of the United States.' -- british fishwrap
12:44 mircea_popescu wsj is also running red.
12:46 asciilifeform http://www.slate.com/votecastr_election_day_turnout_tracker.html << by the folx who fixed the last 2 elections.
12:46 asciilifeform (last 4, really)
12:46 mircea_popescu who, m00t ?
12:46 shinohai "Votes from Guam, however, don’t count, as the island has no representation in the Electoral College. "
12:46 mircea_popescu story of her life.
12:47 mircea_popescu lfye&
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13:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://elections16.usatoday.com/outlook/presidential << plenty of 'reporting'. complete with the hardcoded clitler.
13:12 trinque that's just exit polls
13:12 trinque not actual vote tallies
13:13 asciilifeform well yes, it was in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564198
13:13 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 17:38 mircea_popescu: back to the lulzpocalypse, there's exactly 0 reporting on early voting / outside-the-booth polls / etc from the pantsuit media.
13:14 trinque ah
13:14 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/11/soylents-attempt-to-scapegoat-soy-sinks/ << Qntra - Soylent's Attempt To Scapegoat Soy Sinks
13:15 BingoBoingo ^ Far more future influence than Trump-Clinton vs. Rodham-Clinton
13:24 Framedragger BingoBoingo: s/is not an uncommon phenomena/is not an uncommon phenomenon/ (singular, not plural) i think?
13:25 asciilifeform https://archive.is/axayN << holy shit, ~chinese~ !?
13:25 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564028 << ah, the once-every-four-years reminder that the rest of the country has to actually work to vote
13:25 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 15:37 asciilifeform: lel, asciilifeform is standing in queue to stuff 'paper ballot' into... diebold scanner.
13:26 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: they have mail-in etc. here but there is 0 sport in it.
13:26 ben_vulpes we throw parties, drink, argue over every single seat and pencil the boxes in on our mail-in ballots
13:26 BingoBoingo Framedragger: Plural or what? Everyone hates the same protein folded the same way?
13:27 Framedragger BingoBoingo: "Digestive intolerance of unfamiliar plant proteins is not an uncommon phenomena" -> phenomena, i thought, refers to the subject, i.e. "digestive intolerance", which is a singular (not many phenomena, but a single: intolerance)
13:27 Framedragger (modern english is not an inflected language; latin is more inflected. "phenomenon" is a latin word. suffix "on" here denotes singular; "a" denotes plural. but this is probably known, apologies if patronizing tone)
13:28 BingoBoingo It's a weird thing because plants and proteins. It a slural
13:28 Framedragger probably multiple valid ways of interpreting that sentence anyway :)
13:29 BingoBoingo Which is why it is agriCULTURE
13:30 trinque but either is/phenomenon or are/phenomena eh?
13:30 Framedragger i think so, yeah
13:30 Framedragger hence tripped grammar wire in my head
13:30 trinque yar
13:31 BingoBoingo fine, fxing
13:31 asciilifeform incidentally, anybody else's trb node under 'askfor tx somecrapolade' ddos ?
13:34 BingoBoingo not that I've seen. Recent set of debug.log lines looks normal http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yzxom/?raw=true
13:35 trinque asciilifeform: deedbot actually looks blackholed
13:35 trinque miles of "socket no message in first 60 seconds"
13:36 asciilifeform mine is simply fed shit all day, by virtually all connecters, to slow it.
13:36 asciilifeform the 'something to allcomers' days are drawin' to a close.
13:37 asciilifeform and mining, which ultimately forces this situation, is idiotic bug.
13:38 trinque what would an alternative look like? blocks are somehow deterministic?
13:38 asciilifeform aaaaand now zoolag blackholed, instead.
13:38 trinque lel
13:38 asciilifeform trinque: there were several threads re this unsolved problem.
13:38 asciilifeform (afaik it is very much unsolved.)
13:38 trinque mhm, was just wondering if you favored an option
13:38 trinque blackhole started at 2016-11-08_18:20:30.28655 UTC over here
13:38 asciilifeform i would say, if i did.
13:39 asciilifeform i do not expect to see any beautiful solutions to the mining problem.
13:39 asciilifeform and you are already familiar with the basic ugly solutions.
13:42 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he's right you know.
13:42 asciilifeform btw,
13:43 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/l8hg0/?raw=true << THIS type of blackhole is 'false blackhole', it comes from the idiot engine not knowing how to answer ANY message if a block is being verified
13:43 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sorry, the spirit of the TrumpReich was too strong at that moment, has been fxd
13:43 asciilifeform (which, recall, happens SERIALLY and quite slowly)
13:43 mircea_popescu lol
13:43 asciilifeform global lock!1111
13:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform going right back to the "mempool != blockpool" issue
13:44 asciilifeform mempool really belongs chopped cleanly out of trb.
13:44 asciilifeform wholly optional process.
13:44 mircea_popescu "food replacement start up Soylent is suffering the in wake a a severe" << is it suffering the ?
13:45 mircea_popescu i guess we'll ping Guest83897 re http://qntra.net/2016/11/soylents-attempt-to-scapegoat-soy-sinks/ lol
13:46 BingoBoingo ty fxd
13:47 BingoBoingo fxd even though looking back at typo Soylent could be gravely suffering from "the"
13:48 mircea_popescu i think it's a decent meme. "don't make me make you suffer the."
13:50 asciilifeform https://archive.is/xG9s7 << meanwhile, at the circus..
13:58 BingoBoingo The, the plague of their time
13:59 mircea_popescu lol
13:59 mircea_popescu RUSSIAN CYBERATTIX!
14:01 BingoBoingo There's a monster in the AttiX
14:02 mircea_popescu they're so delightfully idiotic, these people. "oh, major power is looking to influence elections in shithole. THIS IS SO UNPRECEDENTED!!1"
14:02 BingoBoingo Free Nortiega!
14:03 asciilifeform https://archive.is/ObIUo << lizards show 0 fear.
14:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the volume is ~0. they're petrified.
14:06 mircea_popescu the only story worth telling in financial, and so obv the only story you won't ever read, is that this election already has been the last straw - new york is no longer the world's financial center.
14:09 asciilifeform eh that's not mega-seekrit. e.g., http://oper.ru/video/view.php?t=1774 , (mega-bl0gg3r d00d) puchkov interviews fella who runs a spin-molded steel pipe plant. they buy allows (internally, in ru!) by london market prices.
14:09 mircea_popescu eh. london's not been the center of the world's finances since soros raped it at the latest.
14:10 asciilifeform where then, center? shamballa in nazi antarctica ?
14:10 mircea_popescu prolly before. the way these things work there's definite events that make it obvious and indisputable, but the thing was prolly rotten before.
14:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in asia.
14:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they, like ru, produce own pipe, and ~none for export. it's a strategic commodity.
14:11 mircea_popescu your ideas on the topic are entirely reality-free.
14:11 asciilifeform ru -- now, apparently, exports, softened ruble made it a mega-deal.
14:11 asciilifeform i have 0 ideas on the topic, only what's in the lint trap.
14:13 mircea_popescu china mostly produces for export, still.
14:13 asciilifeform incl. reactor vessel pipe ?
14:13 mircea_popescu we're discussing finance here, not narrow one-offs.
14:13 asciilifeform i will believe mircea_popescu if he says this, personally i must admit, never bought even centimetre of this pipe.
14:13 asciilifeform nor stock therein, etc.
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14:30 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564255 << funny feeling here, similar to that of when the $ecomm cluster went down because one of the 'frontend engineers' self-ddossed the site with javascripts
14:30 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 18:43 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/l8hg0/?raw=true << THIS type of blackhole is 'false blackhole', it comes from the idiot engine not knowing how to answer ANY message if a block is being verified
14:34 ben_vulpes semi relatedly, if anyone wants shorter urls for pastes, try p.bvulpes.com
14:34 ben_vulpes same ip as before, for those hand-tending the /etc/hosts bonsai
14:36 mircea_popescu why not b-v.com or such
14:36 mircea_popescu gotta find a combo that's unregistered
14:38 asciilifeform for the ancient vehicle aficionados --- http://www.worksperfect.com .
14:39 asciilifeform domain regged in '04...
14:40 asciilifeform 'archive.org' has 1 single solitary cache, https://web.archive.org/web/20110203180222/http://www.worksperfect.com/ , he was hawking some ~other~ machine
14:50 trinque my node is back to accepting txn; looks like yep, just was gagged on a block ?
14:50 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: holy doodle i'd no idea
14:50 mircea_popescu see ?
14:50 asciilifeform trinque: quite often happens here.
14:50 mircea_popescu +30 iq points from #trilema
14:52 mircea_popescu and in other chicks-with-opinions, http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/occupy_204.jpg
14:54 ben_vulpes ah, alas not actually available.
14:58 asciilifeform https://archive.is/jhcXw << oh noez, 'refused to promise to concede', lel.
14:59 mircea_popescu lol the "there is no evidence" bs.
14:59 mircea_popescu good thing that there's evidence of "carbon" blabla.
15:03 asciilifeform 'evidence' means a very particular thing to these folx.
15:09 mircea_popescu right, "there's no letter from hitler saying..."
15:10 PeterL from asciilifeform link: "There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in American elections." [citation needed]
15:10 PeterL oh, mp beat me to it
15:10 mircea_popescu lol
15:11 mircea_popescu funny thing being that gaddafi said the same thing.
15:12 mircea_popescu banana republic always comes back to its vomit or how was it.
15:14 asciilifeform also the existence of 'coloured states' is not fraudulent because-reasons.
15:15 mircea_popescu hey, as close to a surogate of nationality as they can muster over there.
15:15 mircea_popescu "here is where we eat the dijon mustard"
15:16 asciilifeform and hm, yes, very peculiarly thin real-time 'poll newz'
15:18 mircea_popescu incidentally - the trump flame will live on! jared kushner (trump's online campaign strategist, no less) bought a piece of property at 666 5th ave for 1.8bn in 2007. by 2009 its revenue couldn't face the debt servicing so he sold it for... 1bn. therefore he won't have to pay taxes for...
15:18 mircea_popescu im guessing he's running in 2020.
15:19 mircea_popescu just about old enough, born 81.
15:32 asciilifeform 'Donald Trump's campaign moved to contest the election results of battleground Nevada, claiming the registrar of Democratic-heavy Clark County kept an early voting location open two extra hours to help boost Democratic turnout. The complaint alleges a polling location in a heavily Latino part of the county stayed open past its 8 p.m. closing time, allowing people to line up and vote until 10 p.m. The Republican poll watcher said the
15:32 asciilifeform extension allowed as many as 300 people to join the line.'
15:32 asciilifeform ballot-diddling dun have to be electric.
15:34 mircea_popescu eh.
15:38 asciilifeform 'Officials across the country are worried that cyberattacks could create chaos on Election Day. The fear, they say, is not that hackers will be able to alter the vote count, but that they will be able to sow doubt in the integrity of the results.' << lelz
15:38 asciilifeform sow doubt !!
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15:55 mircea_popescu she sow doubt had russians.
15:55 asciilifeform she cow pig had clittens.
15:56 mircea_popescu "hillary clinton got about thirteen million votes and won the election, but then russian hackers sowed doubt in the integrity of the results."
16:07 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/qgthk/?raw=true
16:07 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
16:08 shinohai http://i.imgur.com/gRY0uIq.jpg
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16:32 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564322 << right down the street from moma . posh spot.
16:32 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 20:18 mircea_popescu: incidentally - the trump flame will live on! jared kushner (trump's online campaign strategist, no less) bought a piece of property at 666 5th ave for 1.8bn in 2007. by 2009 its revenue couldn't face the debt servicing so he sold it for... 1bn. therefore he won't have to pay taxes for...
16:35 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564236 << seeing same here on laocoon.
16:35 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 18:31 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody else's trb node under 'askfor tx somecrapolade' ddos ?
16:35 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/11/distracting-ourselves.html#more << in other luliday lulz.
16:37 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564268 << gold.
16:37 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 18:50 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/xG9s7 << meanwhile, at the circus..
16:39 pete_dushenski best election day ever. so many smug rats impoverished by my 'trollish' 'prediction' of trump in white house. to think one even offered to donate his shillary winnings to spca. sorry kittens, but papa pete needs new furniture this year.
16:40 asciilifeform wai wat winnings
16:42 pete_dushenski i bet a few different meatwotters on the us election outcome. shillary was shoe-in for 95% of 'educated' folks up north.
16:44 pete_dushenski “The model predicted a Trump win in February and nothing has changed since then. Whatever happens in the real world doesn’t affect the model,” he said.
16:44 pete_dushenski he == Helmut Norpoth, a political science professor at SUNY Stony Brook
16:45 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/11/coinbase-partnering-up-for-facial-verification-as-relevance-continues-sinking/ << Qntra - Coinbase Partnering Up For Facial Verification As Relevance Continues Sinking
16:55 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563985 << and how! so eager, so hungry. the youf there are as close as i've seen first-hand to 'blue jeans'-level of adventurousness. whatever tensions between east and west are going on there are working like a charm. it's like the european philippines or something, everyone you meet from there is as friendly, hard-working and unpretentious as they come.
16:55 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 14:20 mircea_popescu: well, all baltics are 16 yo.
16:56 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563952 << by this measure, architecture is ~the only post-secondary school carry the torch for the whole lot.
16:56 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 13:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563912 << anything where half or more of the hopefuls fail to make it in, AND half or more of the first year fails to pass into 2nd. it must be selective in this sense, with an understanding that most extant fenotypes are biological failures of no further interest or value.
16:56 pete_dushenski carrying*
16:57 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: y'know, the balts did their j00z in long prior to germans showing up. and when showed up, ss barfed.
16:57 * pete_dushenski is well aware.
16:57 pete_dushenski but that was then! :P
17:11 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/black-snake-moan/ << Trilema - Black Snake Moan
17:11 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the dept of 'Жить стало лучше, жить стало веселее !', https://archive.is/xfYkX
17:11 * BingoBoingo awaits pete_dushenski using his winning to reupholster ride in whale penis leather
17:12 mircea_popescu lol wtf are you doing alf.
17:12 shinohai ha I recall Black Snake Moan a few years ago, some weird chick watched it with me.
17:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: waiting for a $measurementproggy run..
17:14 mircea_popescu i c!
17:15 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2016/black-snake-moan/#comment-119651
17:16 mircea_popescu aaanswer't.
17:21 mircea_popescu so has america been made great again yet or what ?
17:22 asciilifeform nope
17:22 mircea_popescu ah just 5:30. mkay.
17:28 trinque http://archive.is/FQsyF << nate silver (wot: nonperson) is already sputtering
17:29 shinohai "Epic Clinton blowout" haz ring
17:31 asciilifeform and about half of the 'they don't want you to know!!!' idiot ads are.. in slovenian.? or is it just from my ip.
17:34 BingoBoingo RUSSIAN HACKERS DID 538
17:42 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: what am i, general aladeen ?
17:42 pete_dushenski THIS ELECTION IS HIV ALADEEN!!!11!!
17:42 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Well, if 95% of the money is on the other side...
17:43 pete_dushenski 95% of the ~talk~. lol people don't put their money where their mouths are unless i goad them into it.
17:44 pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1282/hillary-clinton-indicted-before-january-1st-2017/ << tho the odds of this make me salivate a bit
17:51 pete_dushenski !#s natedog
17:51 a111 3 results for "natedog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=natedog
17:52 pete_dushenski trinque: ^^ silver has been collapsing for weeks.
17:52 pete_dushenski i actually leveraged the democrat shill's 'data' to double-down on one of my bets lol
17:53 ben_vulpes what's your total election exposure, pete_dushenski ?
17:54 pete_dushenski coupla bitdimes
17:55 ben_vulpes and what kinda odds did you get out of the progres?
17:56 pete_dushenski just even money. i'm a generous soul like that y'know.
17:56 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WKJ68jr2tM << in other balanced scales, live rt election coverage
17:58 mircea_popescu in other insane gambling, i did a ~50 bitcent eulora click earlier today.
17:58 mircea_popescu it... didn't pay out.
18:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because the archive spider hit it from sl ip
18:02 mircea_popescu lmao "epic clinton blowout". wtf is wrong with these people.
18:03 BingoBoingo line dominating the lamestream: voters "holding noses at the polls"
18:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didntcha notice that the fishwrap contents ~haven't changed all day~ !?
18:05 BingoBoingo Of course. That's why all the talk on radio about how Kasich would have easily won in a landside had America warmed up to its physical incarnation http://qntra.net/2016/03/john-kasich-is-america/
18:05 BingoBoingo Make America, America Again!!!
18:06 asciilifeform or hey, have an apparent noosepiece, https://archive.is/rgCkc .
18:07 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: AHA also reported in st louis
18:07 BingoBoingo http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/11/08/machines-change-votee-need-to-hear-as-told-by-kmox-callers/
18:08 asciilifeform nfi why vote-diddlage has to be done in plain sight of the victim -- other than as 'crank bait'.
18:08 BingoBoingo Who knows, at this rate the whites in ferguson missouri might riot tonight
18:10 asciilifeform lol white riot.
18:15 BingoBoingo !~google wheel chair combat tactics
18:15 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Wheelchair Self Defence - Fight Times Magazine: <https://magazine.fighttimes.com/wheelchair-self-defence/>; Wheelchair Self-defense Against A Physically Stronger Attacker ...: <http://www.apparelyzed.com/forums/topic/4889-wheelchair-self-defense-against-a-physically-stronger-attacker/>; Wheelchair self defense - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DY4RkU66ys7g>
18:16 BingoBoingo ^ asciilifeform possible
18:26 asciilifeform https://www.washingtonpost.com/2016-election-results/us-presidential-race << state of NH, supposedly, heils tritler
18:28 asciilifeform or hm, this is still based on that vilage with popcount 100..?
18:30 asciilifeform i quite distinctly recall this nonsense last time, btw, where the 'real time tickers' shows 0 'blue' until last possible moment, to maximize obummer turnout.
18:31 asciilifeform https://archive.is/93wRP << lizard psyops begin.
18:40 ben_vulpes heeeee natesilver's website still shows 70+% likelihood that clinton would take nh
18:41 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564306 << 'arrested development' (fox tv show) was brought back once before, unfortunately. whereas family guy was also cancelled after a few seasons before getting the christ-on-easter treatment, cartoons don't have, actors do. and the +5yo actors on arrested development were ~the saddest reunion of hollow meatsacks since cheers.
18:41 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 19:52 mircea_popescu: and in other chicks-with-opinions, http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/occupy_204.jpg
18:43 pete_dushenski for any of you who watched the early (and quite excellent) seasons of ae and also caught a glimpse of 'season 4', you'll fully appreciate the horror that was lindsay bluth (portia de rossi, ellen's bitch) 's frozen in carbonite face... it was tragic.
18:43 pete_dushenski it was a stellar advertisement for the dangers of plastic surgery, and of aging in general in and around beverly hills
18:44 asciilifeform in other gary condits, 'Victim pushed off Times Square reportedly was Blackstone CEO Schwarzman's housekeeper.'
18:55 pete_dushenski http://archive.is/8umzR << 200k votes counted according to cnn. trump leading 68-28!!
18:55 BingoBoingo Trump Leading Kentucky and Indiana returns
18:56 pete_dushenski watch the final numbers be exactly trump 2/3 to shillary 1/4 with the change for gary.
18:58 pete_dushenski http://archive.is/nOAbY << didn't see in logs but day-old nooze that hillary cancelled her fireworks spectacle for nyc
18:59 asciilifeform in other 'news', i ended up learning that entirely working 1-2seat petrol-powered airplanes cost less (secondhand) than pete_dushenski's cheapest car. how come he ain't got one yet ??
19:00 asciilifeform 10-20k in, e.g., 'ebay'.
19:01 pete_dushenski because i don't want to 'have accident' ?
19:01 asciilifeform can 'have accident' in auto just as well.
19:01 asciilifeform like hastings.
19:01 asciilifeform if i had to pick, i'd rather burn in a plane, more humane.
19:02 pete_dushenski burn in a tesla, biggest fireworz
19:02 asciilifeform electric chair!11
19:02 pete_dushenski li-ion powered
19:02 pete_dushenski heh
19:03 pete_dushenski anyways, for as much as i love cars, i'd be quite content to have a chauffeur 95% of the time. and for flying a chauffeur is just fine by me 100% of the time.
19:04 asciilifeform aah i laboured under the impression that pete_dushenski is one of those odd folk who enjoys operating weird vehicle.
19:04 asciilifeform possibly confused with ben_vulpes on this count.
19:04 pete_dushenski i enjoy objets d'art
19:05 asciilifeform he -- has 0 excuse not to buy 'grumman yankee' which costs less even, apparently, than my ancient car.
19:05 pete_dushenski and driving very fast
19:05 asciilifeform 'grumman' goes fast.
19:05 pete_dushenski d'arts*
19:05 asciilifeform (not a mig, but nobody's buying a mig for 25btc)
19:07 pete_dushenski aha. ben_vulpes does own wrenching on old murican metal. i enjoy the relationships with my mechanics and learning about how each of them is designed as various pieces break and sundry fluids leak out.
19:07 pete_dushenski them = cars, not mechanics
19:07 asciilifeform lel
19:07 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: You know you want to "rise above" those filthy other drivers on the road http://www2.crown.com/au/forklifts/stockpickers-sp-overview.html
19:08 pete_dushenski haha is that for bezos' minions ?
19:09 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: No, Amazon doesn't do vertical. They spread horizontal.
19:09 asciilifeform https://archive.is/revjf << psyop #2
19:09 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCL9Q3LnSPY << to really rise above, drive new(!) lada niva.
19:10 asciilifeform 'https://archive.is/revjf#selection-4151.0-4151.73'
19:10 asciilifeform arrrg
19:10 asciilifeform 'One killed, three injured in shooting near Los Angeles-area polling place'
19:11 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Just imagine "popemobile" style box on elevated platform
19:11 asciilifeform why the FUCK does archive.is permit js crapolade in captured object to run?!
19:12 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: needs more gelandewagen then.
19:13 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: At that point you just call Xibit and have him pimp your ride
19:13 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: ain't nobody got time for a pilots license under this regime
19:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i confess, i have not followed subj -- did it get more painful under obummer ?
19:14 ben_vulpes i wouldn't know, was never interested in license before
19:14 * ben_vulpes finds planes precisely as interesting as cars
19:14 pete_dushenski http://www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/g-class/153128d1197308652-pope-drives-g-wagen-031.jpg << BingoBoingo
19:14 ben_vulpes interesting rubiks cubes, things for le progre to gawk at
19:14 asciilifeform g-wagen cannot be imho anything but gasenwagen.
19:15 pete_dushenski LOL
19:15 ben_vulpes g 'wagon', here at least.
19:15 BingoBoingo http://www2.crown.com/au/forklifts/gas-forklifts-16-18-ton-index.html << Promising chassis for next tearing apart of town
19:15 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: yankee looks like a neat toy
19:15 ben_vulpes may buy for $bzprtnr
19:15 asciilifeform lolwhy, ben_vulpes gets his shares if he croaks ?
19:16 ben_vulpes who is some 80% of the way to his license
19:16 asciilifeform aah
19:16 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: the arrangement's intimacy boggles the mind
19:16 ben_vulpes but let's put it like this -- i'd not have to pay for pilotage
19:17 pete_dushenski bbl
19:21 BingoBoingo And now returns noise starts
19:21 ben_vulpes 4:20
19:21 ben_vulpes roast dems
19:22 BingoBoingo ATM goole is calling electoral vote 19-3 with TrumpReich seizing kentucky and Indiana but losing... Vermont
19:23 asciilifeform snoar, they have not yet counted the chunk of florida that was racereplaced with reliable orcs, etc.
19:23 BingoBoingo Google also has Florida oscillating colots
19:23 BingoBoingo *colors
19:23 asciilifeform the 'colour kaleidoscope' was perfected in '08 map-ticker.
19:24 BingoBoingo Existed in 2004
19:26 BingoBoingo http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=regressive#update
19:39 asciilifeform lel, NH flipped
19:43 ben_vulpes thought that was closed somehow
19:43 trinque ben_vulpes: most of these are still in single digit % reporting
19:44 trinque FL 11% now
19:44 ben_vulpes aok
19:45 trinque florida being the infested cock that it is, I wouldn't be surprised if they're still farting around tomorrow
19:56 asciilifeform trinque: looks gift-wrapped for clitler, if one believes the map
19:59 BingoBoingo Many states rapidly oscillating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5dmcceVIwY
20:04 BingoBoingo Trump still leading popular vote
20:04 asciilifeform shame that dun do anything.
20:04 BingoBoingo By ~360,000
20:06 ben_vulpes “dollar spooked in asia as us polls too close to call” -- reuters
20:06 ben_vulpes doll?
20:06 ben_vulpes DOLL?
20:06 ben_vulpes there is some heinous shit happening in os x these days.
20:06 asciilifeform waiwut
20:07 ben_vulpes i've no idea, but i get "doll spooked" somehow
20:11 BingoBoingo Trumpreich leading popular vote by 400 kiloballots
20:19 asciilifeform lel, FL supposedly ~100 people apart.
20:30 trinque texas blue with 1% reporting!1!?2?!
20:30 trinque this whole business of anticipating the results is idiocy
20:30 trinque just finish and publish, wtf
20:31 trinque the inability of anyone in this country to restrain herself is built into the process.
~ 31 minutes ~
21:03 mircea_popescu zherself!
21:08 asciilifeform go trumplincton.
21:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564415 << lmao!
21:17 a111 Logged on 2016-11-08 23:55 pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/8umzR << 200k votes counted according to cnn. trump leading 68-28!!
21:17 mircea_popescu currently standing 50% to 46.2%
21:18 mircea_popescu 19.6mn to 18.1 mn ; 128 to 97 electoral votes
21:20 mircea_popescu dude totally swept the midwest look at that.
21:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564437 << give it some time lelz.
21:21 a111 Logged on 2016-11-09 00:05 asciilifeform: (not a mig, but nobody's buying a mig for 25btc)
21:22 mircea_popescu people have bought cars for btc sums that'd suffice to buy a frigate.
21:22 asciilifeform aha, and i gotta wait for mthreat to write his masterpiece 'how to mig', and then read it !1111
21:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564491 << by now it's 1.5mn
21:25 a111 Logged on 2016-11-09 01:04 BingoBoingo: By ~360,000
21:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564499 << honeslty i think florida does that just for the drama. "get numbers from random.org for the last 3 digfits"
21:25 a111 Logged on 2016-11-09 01:19 asciilifeform: lel, FL supposedly ~100 people apart.
21:30 mircea_popescu lmao at all the reports about how "hillary clinton leads" and "clinton on eve of presidency" etc.
21:30 mircea_popescu this is going to be such a lulzy wed
~ 51 minutes ~
22:21 mod6 :D
22:21 BingoBoingo OMG TRUMPREICH!!!
22:30 mircea_popescu still 1.5mn ahead, check him out.
22:30 mircea_popescu 68mn turnout is already pretty good.
22:31 mircea_popescu iirc obama 1-2 were at like 80-85mn
22:34 asciilifeform 'global markets tumble' oh noeezzz!11111
22:40 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/11/new-york-times-shifts-projection-to-immanent-trumpreich/ << Qntra - New York Times Shifts Projection To Immanent Trumpreich
22:40 shinohai there is a qntest entry in this dumb video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbryz0mxuMY
22:41 BingoBoingo shinohai: There is no entry because entry has rules explicitly forbidding Youtube and other spammer refuges.
22:41 BingoBoingo title fxd
22:41 shinohai lol
22:42 BingoBoingo Also now 91%, that needle is moving fast
22:45 BingoBoingo And popular vote lead approaching 2 million
22:47 BingoBoingo And lol early utah returns show Clitler and McMullin each at 21%
23:02 BingoBoingo And NYT needle now pegged at ">95%"
23:04 BingoBoingo Wait, Virginia already "called" for clitler while North Carolina and FLorida still "leaning" even with better numbers suggesting Trumpreich
23:12 mircea_popescu anyone here ever saw a film called swordfish ?
23:12 mircea_popescu i think it's the worst film ever made.
23:14 mircea_popescu aaand trump took florida
23:14 asciilifeform eh that was whole hour ago!111
23:15 mircea_popescu hey, i was busy.
23:15 mircea_popescu anyway, pretty much all over for the dumb bitch that dared go against the republic.
23:15 mircea_popescu hopefully the rest of the aparatchicks can learn from her corpse
23:15 asciilifeform too early to buy coal for the crematoria just yet.
23:15 mircea_popescu rather than from their own.
23:15 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: preeeeetty bad.
23:16 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> eh that was whole hour ago!111 << No, they "called" it just minutes ago though obvious earlier
23:17 mircea_popescu also got nc etc
23:18 mircea_popescu it's enough for her to lose wisconsin, which she doesn't have a prayer with, or michigan, which idem, and she's out.
23:18 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> anyone here ever saw a film called swordfish ? << lol, yes.
23:18 mircea_popescu she'll prolly lose both + pennsylvanioa, and so...
23:18 BingoBoingo Yes, her current pennsylvania lead is eroding by the minute because rural votes matter
23:19 mircea_popescu i dunno what they're talking with 87%. unless 99.87% is what they mean.
23:19 BingoBoingo But nytime lags in awarding states and so they show Clitler up 1 electoral vote on their count
23:21 mircea_popescu she's entirely out of ammo.
23:21 mircea_popescu also gop swiped senate something fierce.
23:22 BingoBoingo Anyways the difference between 2012 polls and 2016 is old people still had landlines in 2012. Now they don't.
23:22 mircea_popescu heh. check out the effect of bahamas on illinois though. pretty much the only thing the guy did, porkbarrel. it shows.
23:22 trinque fivethirtyeight has trump at 28.6% to win, last updated 14hrs ago. bahaha teh butt-tears.
23:23 asciilifeform hey he only needs to, what, lose michigan and wisconsin..?
23:23 mircea_popescu "The fear at the Javitz Center in New York, where Hillary Clinton is due to greet the results later tonight, is palpable." sez one lucia graves
23:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. he only needs to win one of mi, wis, or penn.
23:24 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> heh. check out the effect of bahamas on illinois though. pretty much the only thing the guy did, porkbarrel. it shows. << Check the county map. Chicago and East St Louis (and not neighbors of East st louis) got pork
23:24 mircea_popescu she must win all three.
23:24 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo aha.
23:24 mircea_popescu that's what i'm saying, it's like drawn.
23:24 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Notably cook county and east st louis (but not rest of St Clair county) summon dead to polls
23:26 mircea_popescu johnson keeps wisconsin seat.
23:26 mircea_popescu that's it, she's losing wisconsin, and with that the election.
23:27 BingoBoingo Blunt keeps missouri provided North county ballots are counted sanely at this point.
23:28 BingoBoingo Greitens also has solid lead in Missouri.
23:28 BingoBoingo for Governor
23:28 mircea_popescu aha.
23:28 mircea_popescu all the "civil servants" got is a defeat of some dubious meathead sheriff in az. which... mkay.
23:29 mircea_popescu anyway, turnout larger than for obama 1 or 2.
23:30 BingoBoingo yes. Other new, Iowa oscillating colors towards trump from solid early clitler lead
23:30 mircea_popescu but i thought you know, texas was up for grabs!11
23:31 mircea_popescu could the mainstream jewdia been wrong ?!?!
23:31 ben_vulpes there was a trump pinata at the bar where i just had a birthday dinner
23:31 mircea_popescu was the hairpiece detachable ?
23:31 ben_vulpes i don't think so, looked like integral paperwork
23:31 mircea_popescu scam trump pinata.
23:31 mircea_popescu accept no surogates!
23:31 ben_vulpes obvs!
23:31 ben_vulpes i wonder if it'll still be hanging tomorrow
23:34 BingoBoingo And reliably Missouri voted down new cigarette taxes
23:34 mircea_popescu heh
23:35 trinque the google thing is showing Washington called for hillary even though 39% reporting, and trump ahead?
23:35 * asciilifeform also noticed this
23:36 mircea_popescu diebold tech!
23:36 trinque they must've heard me, now same 39% reporting but hillary up, lol!
23:36 asciilifeform and they can still flip, e.g., ohio.
23:37 trinque ohio 89% in with him up by about half mil.
23:37 BingoBoingo Koster just conceded to Eric Grietens for Missouri governor prior to media "calling" result
23:37 trinque surely not *that* many people live in that shithole
23:38 mircea_popescu she gonna manage to lose wa on top of everything else ?
23:39 BingoBoingo less than 70,000 apart in pennsylvania
23:39 mircea_popescu ineptitude on this level is reminiscent of dan quayle.
23:39 mircea_popescu ah she just got wa it seems.
23:39 asciilifeform afaik those lands were always solid clitler country.
23:39 mircea_popescu he gets ga
23:39 mircea_popescu yup.
23:40 mircea_popescu ahahaha faso beats teachout
23:40 mircea_popescu o god.
23:40 mircea_popescu there won't be anyone from the progre side in congress.
23:41 mircea_popescu Shemin said he had voted Democrat every election until this one. “I believed the promises of the Democratic party and I realized I’ve been let down every time especially by Obama,” he said.
23:42 mircea_popescu !!key mrbitcoin
23:42 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/79u2w/?raw=true
23:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo kasich got his butt handed to him huh.
23:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: here's a thought re earlier thread, i wonder if joestack-airplane would easily pay for itself in that you could live in an unpopulated shithole and commute in it...
23:45 mircea_popescu you ever flown the small shits ? cessna etc ?
23:45 asciilifeform i have not flown even a kite in recent years.
23:45 asciilifeform and plane - not once.
23:46 mircea_popescu yeah well. they're uncomfortable. don't think car - it's worse than shitty japanese bike from the 80s
23:46 asciilifeform i did sit down in one not long ago
23:46 asciilifeform ~same as my car.
23:46 mircea_popescu and in places with harsh weather (such as, everywhere civilised men live, east coast, etc) you can't fly them 2 days a week
23:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the dynamics are the problem. very much like being in a walnut shell
23:47 asciilifeform eh what does grown man care re comfort of his arse.
23:47 asciilifeform i'd sit on a bed of nails for halved rent.
23:47 mircea_popescu fly each day to commute ? get over it. plenty of high profile 60s crashes of derpy "busionessmen" who thought this is a fine idea. it isn't. you get tired then you get dead.
23:47 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo scott took sander's vermond too lmao.
23:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: also i dunno that the fella goes in ~each day~
23:48 asciilifeform if he does - yes, won't possibly work.
23:49 mircea_popescu the point being that it's not as reliable as car, not even close. if you gotta show up in the morning unexpectedly (meaning, you partied with two hos till 3 am) and then the weather's bad, your survival rate dropped to like 60%.
23:49 mircea_popescu in a car it's never under 99%
23:50 asciilifeform i was actually considering the flying death-capsule for my own arse. because my physical presence in the swamp is called for maybe once or twice in a month, and with many days of warning.
23:50 mircea_popescu liek that may work. if the weather cooperates.
23:50 mircea_popescu but only if. you can't fly those if it's icing for instance. period.
23:50 asciilifeform well yes, it becomes brick.
23:51 asciilifeform if i knew how to fly airplanes, i would easily be in empty field in some kansas even now.
23:51 mircea_popescu it's not that hard to learn, really.
23:52 asciilifeform lighting benjies with previously-lit benjies.
23:52 * trinque has a family member flying the big ones, has heard all kinds of stories
23:52 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo kasich got his butt handed to him huh. << Kasich might have swept against Clitler it appears
23:52 mircea_popescu ahhh the crying women at hillary place. delishius tears!
23:52 trinque I don't think I'd ever fly something small that didn't have one of those ballistic parachute things
23:52 * mircea_popescu adds to his collection of http://trilema.com/2011/adolescente-plingind/
23:52 asciilifeform trinque: add 200+k to price then!
23:52 trinque and even then, you get hung up in a tree, then fall to death
23:52 mircea_popescu trinque those can also kill you.
23:53 asciilifeform no parachute in ww2 plane.
23:53 asciilifeform (what you get for 10-20k usd)
23:53 mircea_popescu and yes, he has a point, expensive, complex, might as well get a 1mn plane if you will bother.
23:53 asciilifeform also parachute won't do shit on takeoff/landing
23:53 asciilifeform which is where most folks burn up
23:53 asciilifeform it isn't a mig ejector seat.
23:55 BingoBoingo Delicious tears! https://archive.is/6wQ0d
23:55 asciilifeform holy FUCK
23:55 asciilifeform she has pgp key?!
23:56 asciilifeform https://archive.is/spna0 <<
23:56 asciilifeform can negrate ?!1
23:56 mircea_popescu so ?
23:56 trinque older gentleman in my family owns an old beechcraft 18. thing's engines *roar*; we took it to nantucket coupla years back.
23:56 mircea_popescu nicely formatted, too.
23:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you often meet roach with pgp key?!
23:56 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: At one point Gawker made everyone get one. At one point Gizmodo chick got a hold of cazalla and myself about GAW scam
23:57 asciilifeform trinque: >1 engine?
23:57 trinque twin prop
23:57 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/Svhv7#selection-3733.71-3733.213 << for the lulzjar. "If Trump loses, we must ensure that his name and the presidential campaign he ran echo through American history as a dark and distressing tale"
23:57 trinque I think his seated 8 or so.
23:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform often enough, yes. they're not so hard to make.
23:57 asciilifeform trinque: neato, what do those go for ?
23:57 mircea_popescu trinque huge diff between that and the single seater he's contemplating
23:58 trinque a quick google turns one up for 129k
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