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00:05 mod6 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sage/test_points.jpg << 404
00:05 asciilifeform nope?
00:05 asciilifeform or hm
00:06 mod6 Yeah, was just clicking on it to see the upclose JTAG points, but ya, didn't find the image.
00:06 asciilifeform fixed
00:06 asciilifeform ty mod6 .
00:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: dunno if this is newsworthy, it is only interesting to VERY small circle of people.
00:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It is incredibly newsworthy
00:10 mod6 alf: np
00:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The is probably the biggest Republican news since Phuctor's recent victories.
00:15 asciilifeform eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
00:15 asciilifeform i have massive pile of this crapola.
00:16 asciilifeform dug out because recent (phf thread) resurgence of 'maybe lisp on x86 in bios' thought.
00:16 asciilifeform thing plugs happily into 'pcengines' board from that thread, i will note.
00:16 BingoBoingo This hoarding is insanity.
00:16 BingoBoingo !~step9
00:16 jhvh1 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
00:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: takes a while to clean these things for publication, and to come to some place where it is of any use.
00:21 asciilifeform and yes, you can debug bios, etc.
00:22 * BingoBoingo wonders what else is in the collection.
00:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: buncha crud that prolly wouldn't even make elementary sense unless put in context.
00:25 BingoBoingo this latest publication suggests otherwise
00:36 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/datskovskiy-cures-abandoned-sage-smartprobe/ << Qntra - Datskovskiy Cures Abandoned Sage SmartProbe
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01:34 ben_vulpes https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
01:35 ben_vulpes starting with https://blockexplorer.com/api/txs?block=000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f&pageNum=0
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01:58 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-19#1545249 << probably going to reneg on this. binary-types handles the fixed-length types admirably, but i have been beating my head against the variable-length fields for days now to no avail.
01:58 ben_vulpes ahem phf
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03:35 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
03:35 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [02:17:12] <deedbot> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 << Loper OS - A Complete Pill for the Sage SmartProbe.
03:41 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
03:41 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:07:37] <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: dunno if this is newsworthy, it is only interesting to VERY small circle of people.
03:42 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#18 << bb judiciously has it.
03:42 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:30] <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: The is probably the biggest Republican news since Phuctor's recent victories.
03:42 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19 << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.
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03:42 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:39] <asciilifeform> eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
03:46 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544602 << I'm thrilled.
03:46 trinque ...
03:48 trinque http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#75
03:48 scriba Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:14:49] <asciilifeform> it is at least theoretically possible to resist.
03:48 trinque Framedragger: thing needs search and sensible nav.
03:48 mircea_popescu eh! i guess now Framedragger gets to make scriba read btcbase for a little bit...
03:48 mircea_popescu funny how this works lol.
03:49 trinque http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << I'm in, buying.
03:49 scriba Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:22:30] <asciilifeform> phf (and any other interested folk) if you have a bit of spare change, buy yourself a 'pcengines api2', either 2 or 4gb model, it's this comp that comes with schematics. then we can play.
03:49 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#30 << remarkable how horribly bad he is editorially huh.
03:49 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:25:42] <BingoBoingo> this latest publication suggests otherwise
03:51 trinque http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1262 << there is *no* end to the networked fun we can have with a machine meeting these humble requirements
03:52 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#33 << not really. block 0 (sometimes referred to as 1), ie the genesis block was handcrafted.
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03:52 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [05:34:46] <ben_vulpes> https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
03:52 trinque why didn't it fart mine?
03:52 mircea_popescu o.O
03:53 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes (if you think about it, the first block breaks with the software-as-protocol because eg it doesn't reference a prior block. rather than bake a test into code forever, more reasonable to just make it by hand.)
03:54 trinque shame on the next person who implements any of this without consulting me first, given I handed you lot a full implementation of the logging part, and that I can't remember the last time I had to *touch* deedbot.
03:54 mircea_popescu and the reason coinbase doesn't deserialize for you is that it contains that string arbitrarily.
03:54 mircea_popescu "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"
03:55 mircea_popescu trinque the logging part seems to work though
03:55 trinque a111's gone
03:55 trinque scriba I'm willing to bet is some other guy's python this kid bolted a thing to
03:56 mircea_popescu ah.
03:56 mircea_popescu lol. all this indiscipline...
03:56 mircea_popescu ima start cracking skulls at this rate.
03:56 trinque and appparently demonstrating some is insufficient.
03:56 trinque aha.
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04:15 mircea_popescu !!up framedr_stillghe
04:15 deedbot framedr_stillghe voiced for 30 minutes.
04:16 mircea_popescu lol. hello there
04:17 framedr_stillghe mornin'. so my gpg key is in another place, should have access this evening, or somesuch. (it's backed up and everything, but simply very inconvenient to retrieve it right now.)
04:18 framedr_stillghe regarding bot: so, the problem is that on some days, some specific characters are recorded by znc which trip up the bot, which expects utf-8. those chars are not utf-8. not blaming this on irc, this should be handled of course
04:19 framedr_stillghe apparently though it's not enough for bot to silently skim through shitty lines (until it reaches the quotable target) - the whole irc log for that day is not readable.
04:19 mircea_popescu interesting.
04:19 framedr_stillghe what needs to happen is, i need to rewrite the whole friggin' thing, and either ditch znc (while using it as backup log history channel, perhaps), or to understand why znc records some shitty chars.
04:20 framedr_stillghe if i can do the latter then the problem is sorted. except for, you know, still having a viewer without search.
04:20 mircea_popescu :p
04:22 framedr_stillghe http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#67 << yeah, i said as much before! it's sopel, and i maintain that sopel itself is a decent piece of work. (which i can daemonize, maintain etc more easily,
04:22 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:55:50] <trinque> scriba I'm willing to bet is some other guy's python this kid bolted a thing to
04:23 framedr_stillghe i.e. without being tripped up by nuances of sbcl, which i am sure exist.)
04:35 Framedragger backups ftw
04:35 Framedragger hmm.
04:35 Framedragger !~laserkittens
04:35 jhvh1 ,ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
04:36 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#91
04:36 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [08:35:51] <jhvh1> ,ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
04:37 mircea_popescu win.
04:39 Framedragger i am not sure if i should spend time chasing encoding rabbit holes, or start on rewriting things. the logging part is otherwise reliable, after all. but i guess znc can be kept as a source of redundancy, and another logger *which knows wtf utf-8 is* does the primary logging.
04:40 Framedragger (znc is configured to use utf-8 and to expect utf-8, before you ask.)
04:41 mircea_popescu hey, your call.
04:42 Framedragger yeah, kk
04:43 Framedragger meanwhile have to do sector research on ICT. some people think it's a thing.
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05:13 scriba RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: scheduled test / maintenance
05:18 mircea_popescu o hey.
05:19 Framedragger making things more robust, one shitty kiddo-python-line at a time
05:19 mircea_popescu btw you're not logging in correctly.
05:21 Framedragger mircea_popescu: you mean join chan before cloak applied? yeah i know :/ will fix later. want to robustify things as a matter of priority
05:21 mircea_popescu kk
05:21 mircea_popescu well if anyone starts ddosing you, it'll be a matter of robustify :)
05:22 Framedragger free robustness tests
05:23 mircea_popescu aite
05:23 mircea_popescu might as well s/RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: /Restarting for /
05:24 Framedragger sounds less robotic but agree, k
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07:54 scriba RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: update to cite btcbase's lines, too
07:55 Framedragger something http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544615 something
07:55 scriba Logged on 2016-09-18: [21:26:27] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#39 << sure. but obviously having both ends helps debug subtle corners and improves your control over the whole matter.☝︎
07:55 Framedragger includes html escaping etc.
07:56 mircea_popescu hm ?
07:56 Framedragger mircea_popescu: random line cited which includes some html tags.
07:57 mircea_popescu ah k
07:59 Framedragger now if only bots could signal each other when they should stop citing each other's corresponding log lines :p but actually, since scriba will be slower to cite btcbase, it could check if a111 already cited the line, and if so, cancel retrieval. prolly will do this later.
08:02 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2013-05-02#11302
08:02 scriba Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry
08:05 mircea_popescu heh. each-reads-his-own was intended as a mechanism to encourage people to select the better package.
08:05 mircea_popescu however, the problem with this theory is that in practice changing the logger is pretty traumatic.
08:10 Framedragger also, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1542067
08:10 scriba Logged on 2016-09-14: [21:23:49] <phf> asciilifeform: we started with a single canonical log though, where kako's testimony was implicitly the word of tmsr. there was some anathem/"A Canticle for Leibowitz" jokes about it, the log files were deeded, etc. while working on btcbase i realized that there can be no canonical log without arbitration, i.e. because of netsplits, lost messages, out of order, clock skews you need a single author
08:10 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1542068
08:10 scriba Logged on 2016-09-14: [21:23:49] <phf> log. so at some point we were in "log according to btcbase" situation. with the recent move to multiple bots and more importantly multiple logs, we now have "log according to ..." model, which we can still though attempt to reconcile. once we move to gossip there can't even be a talk of single log. it's always "log according to whoever heard and relayed it" by design.
08:16 Framedragger one side-effect from the above: it may therefore be that as one approaches the gossipd model / state of affairs, cooperation > minmax-style competition
08:19 mircea_popescu myeah
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08:42 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/ << Trilema - Full Loper-os blogroll review
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08:58 scriba Restarting for a small update to make myself more verbose in case of trouble / exceptions / etc.
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09:19 Framedragger mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)
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09:48 PeterL BingoBoingo on http://qntra.net/2016/09/nigerian-students-scammed-by-alabama-state-university/ s/pay they expenses incur/pay their expenses incurred
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10:26 asciilifeform http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears
10:26 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
10:26 asciilifeform http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#39 << on reflection, gotta agree
10:26 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:41:28] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
10:26 Framedragger asciilifeform: iirc you can change wp permalinks and pages/posts referred to by ?id will still work. maybe not for very ancient wp install, would need to check
10:26 asciilifeform some time later i'ma clean up and publish the command set that drives the thing, also
10:27 asciilifeform Framedragger: i'ma try it.
10:28 asciilifeform http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#52 << be aware that if you find a sage box, you will need to solder the connector (it is a simple job, but the header is a ~metric~ one, see the pcengines schematics)
10:28 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:49:30] <trinque> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << I'm in, buying.
10:30 asciilifeform incidentally, trinque, phf, et al : http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-16358 << this here's the OTHER 'schematics published, amd g-series, sage plug' board. and this one has vga. and apparently is going out of print, being sold for half price in a few places.
10:31 asciilifeform ^ only 1 nic, rather than 3, though, in that one.
10:31 asciilifeform but same type as in pcengine.
10:31 asciilifeform and has the sage connector soldered down at factory.
10:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#comment-119171 << queued.
10:36 asciilifeform in other noose, guess what fleanode was welding on during the recent wave of resets, etc: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
10:38 Framedragger is it like OFTC where you need an account prior to doing SASL auth? prolly.
10:39 trinque It's cur­rent­ly not pos­si­ble to reg­is­ter an ac­count for use with Tor with­out con­nect­ing at least once over the In­ter­net. << tfa
10:39 trinque hm check it out; is that unicode?
10:40 Framedragger oh wtf
10:40 Framedragger oh prolly 'cause i was changin' permissions
10:41 trinque what?
10:41 Framedragger can't write to logs dir anymore, i was trying to restrict things more
10:41 trinque hm I'll screenshit my client
10:42 Framedragger oh i wasnt referring to unicode. sorry. scriba just timed out
10:42 BingoBoingo PeterL: ty fxd
10:44 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears << Depending on your wordpress species usually if you set up a person readable url scheme the default numeric one continues working
10:45 Framedragger i'm restarting the whole box.
10:46 trinque http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#158 << >> http://deedbot.org/weirdo-unicode.png
10:47 trinque apparently that article has "soft hyphen" throughout
10:47 trinque does some brain-damaged blogotron do that?
10:49 trinque hm... not as &shy; though; as actual unicode
10:49 trinque you can see it when you use the inspector in chrome
10:50 trinque omaigerd, unicode stenography!!1!11
10:54 asciilifeform trinque: ...steganography?
10:54 Framedragger sorry, i over-restricted permissions and removed execute bit from some parts.
10:54 trinque asciilifeform: stego
10:54 * trinque gets coffee, lol
10:54 trinque *steganography
10:55 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#169 << HUH
10:55 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:46:57] <trinque> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#158 << >> http://deedbot.org/weirdo-unicode.png
10:56 Framedragger subtle security canary!!!1
10:59 asciilifeform in other noose, https://review.coreboot.org/#/c/11836 << coreboot (formerly linuxbios) now has optional gnat !!11
11:00 asciilifeform ^ this is a handy minimal gnat runtime for x86. saves buncha work for us, if we were to gnatulate.
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11:17 pete_dushenski http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#142 << have you checking in dashboard under settings >> permalinks ?
11:17 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:26:03] <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears
11:18 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: comment pending on your latest ch
11:19 asciilifeform ok i tried it, AND IT BROKE OLD LINKS, FUCK IT
11:19 asciilifeform switching back.
11:20 pete_dushenski hm. lame.
11:21 pete_dushenski s/checking/checked
11:25 Framedragger test http://btcbase.org/log/2013-05-02#11302
11:25 a111 Logged on 2013-05-02 07:10 truff1es: buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry
11:25 scriba Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry☟☟
11:25 Framedragger (switching off scriba for btcbase)
11:25 Framedragger (will later automate this)
11:25 phf (note that the two arrows are not part of message)
11:26 Framedragger yeah i know. i was too lazy
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11:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545482 << if i weren't stuck in shitholelandia, i'd post ~everything~.
11:29 a111 Logged on 2016-09-20 07:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19 << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.
11:29 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:39] <asciilifeform> eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
11:29 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:42:40] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19 << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.☝︎☟
11:33 pete_dushenski in other reconfiguring news, fbook vs. cuba : "In Havana, my cousins were forced to listen to rambling speeches about maintaining core values inside a one-dimensional cult of personality. In Menlo Park, I was sitting in a tent full of people wearing identical uniforms of Facebook swag and doing the same. Back in Havana, my cousins were eyeing posters of Che and Fidel on crumbling buildings and the sides of
11:33 pete_dushenski lurching, belching buses. Alongside were rousing posters, designed in that wonderfully retro socialist realism only the Cubans still embraced: ¡TODO POR LA REVOLUCIÓN! ¡HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE! ¡PATRIA O MUERTE, VENCEREMOS! Meanwhile, I was walking around Facebook, surrounded by stenciled portraits of Mark and equally exhortatory posters: PROCEED AND BE BOLD! GET IN OVER YOUR HEAD! MAKE AN IMPACT!"
11:33 pete_dushenski ~Antonio Garcia Martinez, author of Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley
11:34 asciilifeform YES WE CAN HAY MAS FUTURO!1111111
11:35 pete_dushenski YES WE KAN!
11:36 pete_dushenski in other lulz
11:36 pete_dushenski "@TuurDemeester: Why C++ is used on Wall Street is the same reason why it's used for Bitcoin: precision and performance." << expert trolling or iyi 'expert' ? you decide.
11:36 asciilifeform turdmeister!
11:36 asciilifeform he's back!!
11:36 pete_dushenski !#s Demeester
11:36 a111 3 results for "Demeester", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Demeester
11:37 shinohai I saw that tweet and immediately hear asciilifeform start ranting against C++ in my head.
11:37 pete_dushenski turdsicles still 'investing consultant' or somesuch
11:37 asciilifeform shinohai: that was naggum
11:37 shinohai ah rite
11:42 BingoBoingo http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/meat.htm
11:42 pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#comment-119173 << i had no problem finding this gpg key
11:42 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466793 << do you have any automatic log sync set up now phf? just curious. (i'll prolly set up a different silent bot to be used as secondary log history source)
11:42 a111 Logged on 2016-05-15 15:01 phf: manual tit tickling
11:42 shinohai pete_dushenski: bundle will still be coming to you soon, just waiting until it is fleshed out a bit
11:42 pete_dushenski new trilema header eh. rapey.
11:43 pete_dushenski shinohai: cheers
11:44 BingoBoingo So true "Imagine a rutabaga or an apple, a living harbinger of an adult plant like Christ in His manger presaging the deliverance of all mankind boiled, baked, fried, sauteed, steamed, sun-dried (poor raisins!), microwaved, or roasted to death. Imagine crunching into a fresh green pepper and listening to it scream as your molars do their dirty work. "
11:49 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545626 << this is not a point of fucking pride
11:49 a111 Logged on 2016-09-20 15:26 Framedragger: yeah i know. i was too lazy
11:50 Framedragger what?
11:51 trinque this programmer thing "oh I am lazy lolz". to hell with it.
11:52 Framedragger sure, but by that metric most of software should be discarded a priori. i agree it's not a good thing; this will get fixed when other, important stuff gets fixed.
11:52 trinque much better way of putting it.
11:53 Framedragger and yet sometimes we speak colloquially because we prefer to!
11:55 shinohai I used "lazy" in my bickening response, which pretty much meant I was focused more on other boiling pots at the time.
11:56 trinque what it means is this limp dicked "I did a thing but don't judge me pls" that produced the mountain of filth in which we live
11:56 pete_dushenski sounds like saying 'i'm lazy' in #trilema is like saying 'i'm a terrorist' on a plane
11:56 trinque I have no patience for it.
11:56 trinque and arguing from the context of a dead culture buys nothing. "oh this is what people say"
11:57 shinohai Well it *is* much easier to produce quality items now that defacto standards are being written.
11:58 trinque Framedragger: separate what's being said here from any commentary on the bot, which is coming along fine.
11:58 Framedragger right. see trinque, you don't see "lazy" in that context as having any descriptive context (what shinohai's pots); i do. a simple disagreement regarding the use. but i of course have to agree with your general sentiment...
11:58 Framedragger sure
11:59 asciilifeform in other holy shits, https://libreboot.org/gnu
11:59 asciilifeform 'Libreboot left the GNU project on 15 September 2016. The FSF revealed itself to be hostile towards trans people, so libreboot voluntarily decided to leave the GNU project, because the lead developer of libreboot is transgender herself. For those in the community who are unaware, a transgender person is someone whose internal gender identity (in their brain) does not match their anatomical sex or gender assigned at birth. Many who ar
11:59 asciilifeform e like this seek to transition to their preferred gender. Read more about it on Wikipedia. We will not directly name the person who was fired, because we don't want the individual to be harrased. If you do somehow figure it out (the FSF's staff is very small) then please be silent. We realize that this is potentially risky to the individual involved. Nonetheless, we feel it our moral duty to expose wrongdoing, wherever it is observed
11:59 asciilifeform , even if it's at one of the world's most respected organisations such as the FSF.'
11:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ for the killing jar.
12:00 asciilifeform (fsf, long covered in astonishing assortment of fungi, was apparently... not fungal enough, for some.)
12:01 shinohai oh ffs
12:03 asciilifeform http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html << remaining working hands run for the hills.
12:03 asciilifeform lulzily, i only even found this because i went to dig up contact info for 'libreboot', was going to write to it, re sage pill publication.
12:04 asciilifeform these are, if anyone forgot, the 'rms's magical laptop' folks.
12:04 asciilifeform !#s x60
12:04 a111 32 results for "x60", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=x60
12:04 trinque asciilifeform: have a preferred distributor for the sage?
12:05 asciilifeform trinque: i'm not certain it can be had any more. the last place selling was element14 with the 'gizmo 1' kit
12:05 asciilifeform (gizmo 2 is better board but no longer includes the box)
12:05 trinque ah, too bad
12:05 asciilifeform http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524 << claims it is still available
12:07 trinque this is one board with debugger components and CPU?
12:08 asciilifeform trinque: debugger attaches to 'amd hdt' connector, present on the board. there are landing pads for it on surprisingly many amd mobos
12:08 asciilifeform but you need to be handy with soldering iron, with those
12:09 trinque sure, I can solder
12:09 trinque but the debugger comes in that kit? or I have to find that separately?
12:10 trinque looks like separately
12:10 asciilifeform trinque: it came with the 'gizmo 1' strictly.
12:11 asciilifeform http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2013-01/amd_gizmo_board.jpg << subj is in right hand, rear
12:11 * shinohai has soldering iron, also trying to source
12:12 trinque http://www.gizmosphere.org/products/gizmo-explorer-kit/ << this mentions having the sage smartprobe in kit
12:12 asciilifeform it did.
12:12 asciilifeform call'em up, see if they still have any.
12:12 asciilifeform if you want this.
12:13 asciilifeform if i knew where else to get it, i would say, but i do not.
12:13 asciilifeform once in a while it pops up on ebay, etc.
12:14 asciilifeform this probe is one of those items for which no practical substitute, afaik, exists.
12:15 asciilifeform intel and arium sell similar devices that work with (strictly) intel mobos, but they cost five-figure usd, with MANDATORY support contract, and their software is winblows shitware.
12:16 asciilifeform amd made its own debugger for its boards, i even have one here, but it has never been satisfactorily reverse-engineered, isn't gdb compatible. i have a brand-new one here, in its crate, waiting for its day.
12:19 * trinque bought
12:21 phf Framedragger: i'm basically using kako's log format as a universal exchange <id>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>, so there's a python bottle proxy sitting on a machine, that, very defensively, can serve a copy of your page in a kako format. it caches all pages that are not today, and it has like 10 second cache for today's queries, but otherwise i'm not mirroring your pages
12:22 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8oabs/?raw=true << in other noose, idiot has been working, at least partly BY HAND, for more than a DAY, banging on the door of dulap
12:22 phf i'm only querying for what was mentioned in logs ("annotations"), since i didn't want the split to break the xref facility
12:23 asciilifeform pretty strange payloads, too
12:24 asciilifeform e.g., http://ma0okb3t7xm4z9ttu5zt9xfu8leca0do8byzn.burpcollaborator.net contains '<html><body>u2fbaww7z5xmct4xg2wyplzjjogvgnfigz</body></html>'
12:24 asciilifeform http://5sy72ulcpg4nhsbccohcrgxdq4wvsjw7ruhi6.burpcollaborator.net -- contains same.
12:24 asciilifeform and so forth.
12:25 phf very defensively, because it needs to do checks like
12:25 phf if (dt == date(2016, 9, 6) and int(localid) >= 166) \
12:25 phf or dt > date(2016, 9, 6):
12:25 phf tz = utc
12:25 phf else:
12:25 phf tz = timezone('EET')
12:25 phf
12:25 Framedragger phf: nice. (nice caching setup, too). thanks for explaining - i'll want to set up some 'backup redundant history source' soon, i think..
12:25 Framedragger *ahem*
12:25 phf ahem, indeed!
12:25 Framedragger thought that's what you meant by defensively
12:26 phf well, for my own znc it has to do like a bunch of retarded timezone conversions, but at least i sat down and thought them through this time
12:27 Framedragger :)
12:27 phf (my server is america/denver, my log dates are in america/new_york, and kako's format is served in utc)
12:28 phf but since i don't have to expose it to wild net, and rate of checks is low, i can just have a bottle file per task, just doing its own specific massaging
12:29 Framedragger yeah. my contrab now has TZ=UTC LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 /usr/bin/znc >/dev/null 2>&1 just to be sure. unfortunately, that only happened later.
12:29 Framedragger sounds good
12:30 Framedragger (things will be moved to proper db with proper unixtime)
12:30 Framedragger crontab*
12:33 phf db is only worthwhile once you start writing analytics on logs. i've been doing the read directly from znc logs using regex approach for almost a year (actually scratch that i was querying kako's logs over web), and only decided to step it up once i realized i want xref
12:35 phf i guess search too, but that's kind of lateral. you can write a bit of python code using xapian to do parsing and indexing for you, and i suspect it's going to be ballpark database speeds. postgresql's builtin search is .. special
12:35 Framedragger how about full text search? though i know that a combo of caching and grep-in-memory-map mode (on an ssd, say) may be viable
12:35 Framedragger ah
12:35 phf xapian will give you full text search
12:37 Framedragger postgres builtin search needs to be massaged iirc, and e.g. if you set up indices you may need to do https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server - actually, best to change things anyway, as by default postgres assumes you have very little memory, etc.
12:37 phf kind of tricky to cache search, since it's very one off. most load on server comes from searching (i mean it's miniscule still, but...), but i looked at analytics and search queries are all over the place. you have n hits from mentions, which ~might~ be worthwhile to cache. (like ascii does !#s foo, and then there's a dozen of hits from random ips and browsers)
12:37 Framedragger (i.e. i agree, but there are ways to leverage things. but, takes time to do right)
12:38 Framedragger yeah. a bit tricky
12:38 PeterL I wrote a script to submit links from logs to archive.is
12:39 PeterL I am running it now into the past
12:39 Framedragger ah, nice!
12:40 phf well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
12:40 Framedragger (unrelated, an exploit in metasploit: https://github.com/justinsteven/advisories/blob/master/2016_metasploit_rce_static_key_deserialization.md )
12:40 asciilifeform !!up yr
12:40 deedbot yr voiced for 30 minutes.
12:42 phf (i had to tweak a postgresql search lexing phase just few days ago, and fwiw it doesn't givey you "grep" out of the box. you have to do Traditional Text Search approach tokenize,lex,index by weights, etc.)
12:42 asciilifeform barfalicious
12:43 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#320 << nice, and, yeah, indeed, freedom of choice and all that
12:43 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:40:25] <phf> well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
12:44 Framedragger bbl, changing loc
12:45 Framedragger (how else will one try things they always wanted to try)
12:47 phf i still think that's the ideal model of computing, mentat approach
12:49 asciilifeform in vintage lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-22#1437683 >>>>> becomes >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/iphone-5c-nand-mirroring-passcode-attack
12:49 a111 Logged on 2016-03-22 00:44 asciilifeform: trinque: no incoherence, i can remove the motherfucking nand ~here~ in this godforsaken hovel
12:49 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448168 << also
12:49 a111 Logged on 2016-04-07 18:10 phf: the person that i was a [big bank] vendor with is actually doing that right now. a trained apl-er and mathematician, having spent few years interacting with [big bank] decision makers now consults on a handshake basis for companies that need a problem solved, but don't care if it comes with a pretty windows gui
12:50 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448169
12:50 a111 Logged on 2016-04-07 18:13 phf: of course, general purpose computer was always a device that high cast professional would sit in front in order to do computations, augmented by external systems or additional special purpose interchangeable boards. at least that was a pretty shared vision from engelbard to symbolics before the microcomputer
12:50 asciilifeform phf: aha, before the zombies took over.
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12:52 asciilifeform in yet other noose, new DEATHRAY PLOT!11111 : http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/not-so-dynamite-man-proves-awful-at-buying-dark-web-explosives ( https://archive.is/V3dtf )
12:53 asciilifeform foiled by brave gestapo stoo^H^H^H^Hagents!
12:53 asciilifeform 'Although boatmanstv at one point switched to PGP-encrypted e-mail (which he referred to as “ppg”) using “darknetstv@outlook.com” with the OCE, because his recipient was in fact an FBI agent, that didn’t matter. ...'
12:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ possibly of interest
13:07 trinque https://www.ancilla.edu/ << in latin lulz
~ 56 minutes ~
14:04 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1oM4 <<< aforementioned submission for review
14:04 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
~ 22 minutes ~
14:26 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: repliezed
14:27 ben_vulpes in other jslolz i learned today that hyphens are not legal in js var names because not symbolicated on spaces and infix operators
14:27 ben_vulpes woo hoo hoo
14:27 ben_vulpes "but it's that way in c too!"
14:27 ben_vulpes yeah and its retarded there as well.
14:28 thestringpuller how did you come to learn this?
14:28 ben_vulpes linter yelled at me and i did a bit of reading
14:29 ben_vulpes also i have an wwwtronix expert sitting next to me
~ 58 minutes ~
15:27 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#137 << yes. you can also set what it allows / eats.
15:27 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [13:19:58] <Framedragger> mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)
15:29 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#143 << i have no idea ; mp-wp would handle it automatically (in the sense that i can at any time / for any reason change url, old one gets redir to new one ; and also can switch from ?p= to proper title url seamlessly). no idea however about alf-wp
15:29 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:26:03] <scriba> Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
15:36 asciilifeform 'alf-wp' does not, and will not, because it does not have write permissions for the file system.
15:36 asciilifeform period.
15:36 asciilifeform so it cannot alter .htaccess.
15:36 asciilifeform (yes this also means that i do picture uploads, etc. by hand.)
15:36 asciilifeform and here mircea_popescu thought that he wore the hairiest shirt...
15:37 Framedragger asciilifeform: but you can edit .htaccess (or nginx directives for the site) yourself, at least that's what i did in the past iirc.
15:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it wouldn't need to alter it however. afaik mp-wp doesn't either ; handles redirects itself like a grown-up system ??
15:38 mircea_popescu puts a -d in there, once, when you set it up ; builds its own flalback.
15:38 trinque ^ I run on nginx, am not using any kind of writable htaccess
15:38 trinque and I've swapped around those URL settings since install
15:38 asciilifeform looks like my ancient wp cannot do this.
15:38 Framedragger well, the webserver needs not to get confused if it is asked to serve /some/hipster/post where neither that file nore /some/hipster/index.* exists; it needs to pass uri as parameter to index.php
15:40 mircea_popescu i can't recall now if it was from the mp or the wp part of the family, but i think mostly the latter really.
15:43 mircea_popescu incidentally, if anyone wants to check how wordpress does latex formatting and roll a mp-wp plugin / v update for it that'd be grand. in typical faux open source style, they're remarkably unhelpful with it (see https://en.support.wordpress.com/latex/ )
15:44 asciilifeform latex comments are a dodgy thing imho. it's turing complete...
15:44 asciilifeform and a gigantic coprolith of multi-meg ??????.
15:44 mircea_popescu yeah there is that. and that.
15:45 Framedragger i recall using mathjax for math equations
15:45 mircea_popescu eugh!
15:45 Framedragger lots of javascript but renders well. but lots of javascript
15:45 Framedragger i mean, mathjax in wp
15:46 Framedragger which renders latex
15:46 mircea_popescu Framedragger look at the example given ; it's an image.
15:46 Framedragger https://en-gb.wordpress.org/plugins/mathjax-latex/ ; https://docs.mathjax.org/en/v1.1-latest/platforms/wordpress.html
15:46 Framedragger you cant copy paste an image
15:46 Framedragger sucks balls
15:47 Framedragger maybe just my preference
15:47 asciilifeform 'The MathJax javascript can be delivered from your own server, or you can utilise the [MathJax Content Distribution Network (CDN)] (http://www.mathjax.org/docs/latest/start.html#mathjax-cdn), which is the preferred mechanism as it offers increased speed and stability over hosting the Javascript and configuring the library yourself. Use of the CDN is governed by these Terms of Service.'
15:47 asciilifeform barfalicious.
15:47 Framedragger yeah i just used the former asciilifeform
15:47 mircea_popescu $latex i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\left|\Psi(t)\right&gt;=H\left|\Psi(t)\right&gt;$ -> https://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=i%5Chbar%5Cfrac%7B%5Cpartial%7D%7B%5Cpartial+t%7D%5Cleft%7C%5CPsi%28t%29%5Cright%3E%3DH%5Cleft%7C%5CPsi%28t%29%5Cright%3E&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000&#038;s=0
15:47 asciilifeform Framedragger: with the former, you're feeding crapola from strangers into a turing-complete latextron.
15:48 asciilifeform with the latter, you're serving up crapola from strangers.
15:48 Framedragger i know you dont care about mobile users because they suck mircea_popescu , but what's nice with rendered fonts is that they scale nicely; among other things
15:48 mircea_popescu how cool it is that we ate all the bugs and errors from "supporting utf", because look - there's no fucking glyph-based way to latex, in 2016.
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15:48 Framedragger hence the clause "but lots of javascript"
15:49 mircea_popescu but hey, at least the-shithead-bureaucrat-who-inherited-apple gets to have his day in the sun about whether the glyph for "gun" should be "water pistol"
15:49 Framedragger asciilifeform: not arguing here though; i just recall mathjax working nicely in wp, served from server; but, yes, lots of js
15:49 mircea_popescu it was so totally fucking worth it.
~ 34 minutes ~
16:23 asciilifeform covertress (~covertres@185.108.128.5) has left #trilema << 'ooops we forgot'
16:34 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: vollied back.
16:38 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: lol @ nukes
16:39 pete_dushenski heh
16:40 shinohai http://archive.is/YGwaN <<< heh u2 plane crashed shortly after liftoff
16:42 shinohai We only had "learn to spy" lessons, not "learn to fly"
16:44 asciilifeform 'learn not to catch fire'
16:45 shinohai Perhaps pilot had Gaaxy note 7 in pockets of flightsuit
16:48 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522134 << not that i have a horse in the race, but this would seem to redeem our mysterious reaganite author : http://www.mcmansionhell.com/post/150597521816/mcmansions-101-revisited-aesthetics-aside-why
16:48 a111 Logged on 2016-08-15 20:48 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i find the focus on the cosmetic when the functional elements are 'dangerous to self and to others' in 1,001 ways, to be also a typically american lunacy.
16:49 asciilifeform is this a problem that pete_dushenski has, or as of yet only wants to have..?
16:50 pete_dushenski neither really
16:50 asciilifeform so what's it to him then
16:50 pete_dushenski just a curiousity, a fascination with architecture as a representation of culture
16:51 asciilifeform lolk
16:53 pete_dushenski more enduring symbols of society exist not. the rarely interacted with written word aside, built structures are how we understand the past.
16:54 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: this only works for civilizations that build actual permanent structures. whereas these folk are converging back at the 'african mud hut' standard
16:54 pete_dushenski it's also a hell of a way to leave one's fingerprint on the world after he's gone.
16:54 asciilifeform ~none of this crapolade will be standing in a century, much less 10.
16:55 pete_dushenski as understood at least since pharoah
16:56 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: so what ? mud hut is still ethnographic hallmark.
16:56 asciilifeform roman aqueducts will be standing 1000 yrs from now ( unless islamic bulldozers get'em first .) american cardboard - not so much.
16:56 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: well you did say 'enduring'
16:56 asciilifeform here on my planet, words have meaningz!111
16:57 pete_dushenski and what does 'enduring' mean then ? 10 seconds for einsteinium ? 10 millenia for pyramid ?
16:57 asciilifeform can mean various things, of which 'mud hut' is not any.
16:58 asciilifeform as far as houses go.
16:58 asciilifeform cardboard house is built to last ~exactly as long as the chump's mortgage.
16:58 pete_dushenski not sure about that. even for houses 'enduring' should be satisfied by multi-generational.
16:58 asciilifeform these - quite certainly are not.
16:58 shinohai "We've lived in the same trailer for 50 years!"
16:58 pete_dushenski lol even if that requires banging out the next gen at 20
16:59 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: even then! ever ~see~ an american house ?
16:59 asciilifeform the suburban cardboard-and-aluminum box kind
17:00 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: ticky tacky houses in 1960s were also designed to last as long as mortgage, yet many still stand. just need updated plumbing, electrical, bathrooms... bones are fine
17:00 asciilifeform the thing shows obvious, to naked eye, signs of self-disassembly after a decade or so
17:00 asciilifeform in 2 decades - springs leaks
17:00 asciilifeform they stand, where they stand, because folks 'grandfather's axe' them
17:00 asciilifeform i.e. replace, at tremendous expense, the parts.
17:01 asciilifeform 'renovations' is a chumpatron second only to the real estate scam, in usa
17:01 pete_dushenski you think this is somehow unique to residential construction because that's what you're familiar with. it isn't. commercial, industrial, etc are all the same. news flash : building require maintenance.
17:01 asciilifeform pay 400% markup for the aluminum plates etc.
17:03 asciilifeform there's 'requires maintenance' and then there's 'the walls come off after 10y.'
17:03 asciilifeform i was recently in a house built in 1620s. still has motherfucking original brick walls.
17:03 asciilifeform all that changed since it was built is a couplea paint jobs.
17:04 mircea_popescu actually, industrial buildings moved to tents in the 60s/70s, with the great move to china.
17:04 mircea_popescu you still see the actual industrial buildings, eg here. brick with windows emplaced etc.
17:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is more or less on par with labour cost in re 'why china'.
17:04 mircea_popescu "impractical" and "too expensive" ; they use metallic structure now. EXACTLY as permanent as circus tent.
17:04 pete_dushenski maybe pyramids were low maintenance, but in this climate ~everything~ wears. the expansion and contraction caused by 75C seasonal variation, combined with the short construction season, means that bricks CANNOT BE STRUCTURAL MATERIALS. vapour barrier and insulation is sine qua non
17:04 mircea_popescu which, incidentally, was the mode of commerce pre-industry as well as post.
17:04 mircea_popescu the "factory prison" system appears strictly artefact of 18th century.
17:05 mircea_popescu otherwise, market ~= circus.
17:06 pete_dushenski this much is true.
17:06 mircea_popescu anyway. funny how the adventure of "employment" played out, as a concept.
17:06 mircea_popescu nobody thought in terms of "being employed" cca 1650 ; nor much today.
17:06 asciilifeform eh serfdom was here in 1600 and will be here in 2600.
17:07 mircea_popescu that adventure - very much linked to the permanent-factory building.
17:07 mircea_popescu (for the innocent : a factory is, originally, where the factors go. and a factor is someone who is empowered to handle money in relation to, eg, indian fur gatherers/traders)
17:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform serfdom is not employment.
17:07 mircea_popescu it is ontology not phenomenology. the serf is no more than his shackles.
17:08 asciilifeform serfdom is the simple, low-tech employment - minus the (expensive in overall terms) hiring and firing
17:08 mircea_popescu kinda why "strike" = "treason" in classical russian.
17:08 mircea_popescu this is not so.
17:08 mircea_popescu serfdom is first and foremost a sexual relationship.
17:09 pete_dushenski parental ok... but seksual ?
17:09 mircea_popescu (there is no other basis for ontology in human affairs - if something breaks from phenomenology into being, they will be doing it on sexual basis)
17:09 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski parental is one kind of sexual.
17:10 pete_dushenski sure, but it's more specific.
17:10 mircea_popescu how ?
17:10 mircea_popescu "relationship predicated on functioning of sexual organs".
17:11 pete_dushenski because 'sexual' needn't include parenting ?
17:11 * pete_dushenski is reaching
17:11 mircea_popescu maybe not your peculiar definition of parenting.
17:11 mircea_popescu thermodynamics also needn't include beer yeasts ?
17:12 mircea_popescu depends. if you think yeast is a metaphysical process then it indeed needn't.
17:13 pete_dushenski ok, reflecting on a rather delicious romp last night, i can see the sexual == parenting angle.
17:15 pete_dushenski i guess i'm just unaccustomed to thinking of everything in sexual terms.
17:16 mircea_popescu well, not everything, but ontology for humans is sex-based.
17:16 pete_dushenski 'to bang or not to bang, that is the question'
17:17 mircea_popescu speaking of which, "He explains that characterizing this as “fantasy” is not meant to be purely critical, that “fantasizing” about the moment of the big bang is what theorists do in the absence of compelling evidence, and that he just has other fantasies he thinks worthwhile."
17:17 mircea_popescu incidentally, the penrose book is great ; and as woit aptly points out a very good basis for groking the current affairs re qm/st/etc.
17:20 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#156 << not exactly novel, they had a tor thing thoughout. but yes, tighter integration is to be expected across the empire.
17:20 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:36:51] <asciilifeform> in other noose, guess what fleanode was welding on during the recent wave of resets, etc: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
17:22 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#169 << looks like a cheapo fingerprinting technique ? log didn't pick it up for instance.
17:22 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:46:57] <trinque> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#158 << >> http://deedbot.org/weirdo-unicode.png
17:23 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#185 << interesting.
17:23 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:59:28] <asciilifeform> in other noose, https://review.coreboot.org/#/c/11836 << coreboot (formerly linuxbios) now has optional gnat !!11
17:25 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#189 << in the context of this discussion re freenode, the hardening value of everyone having their own blogs on ~owned~ cms on their own hosting is not lost on the lordship, i'm sure.
17:25 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:18:06] <pete_dushenski> ben_vulpes: comment pending on your latest ch
17:28 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#197 << lol i recall that particular alice. god we've seen a lot of these over the years have we.
17:28 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:25:18] <scriba> Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry☟☟
17:33 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#247 << ahahaha what the shit
17:33 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:59:38] <asciilifeform> 'Libreboot left the GNU project on 15 September 2016. The FSF revealed itself to be hostile towards trans people, so libreboot voluntarily decided to leave the GNU project, because the lead developer of libreboot is transgender herself. For those in the community who are unaware, a transgender person is someone whose internal gender identity (in
17:33 scriba their brain) does not match their anatomical sex or gender assigned at birth. Many who ar
17:34 * asciilifeform offers mircea_popescu the necessary barf bag
17:34 pete_dushenski it is pretty nauseating
17:35 asciilifeform and just when i thought that the heathens had equilibrated at the bottom of their pit
17:35 pete_dushenski that such 'excuses' pass for acceptability is the height of insanity
17:35 mircea_popescu dude... who the fuck wants as much as a farthing's worth of pest control work from someone who regards their mentally deranged state as manifest in their subjective confusion re their sex as an integral part of the process ?
17:35 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it's at the level where the cancer cells attack the other cancer cells.
17:35 mircea_popescu take your "libreboot" which is "transsexual"-aware and shove it.
17:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: y'know what 'libreboot' was/is, right ?
17:36 asciilifeform it's the rms-laptop thing.
17:36 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: beast's gotta eat i guess
17:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i never used it.
17:36 asciilifeform they take coreboot, snip out the non-gpl pieces, burn it into old lappys, and sell to idiots
17:36 asciilifeform 'have JUST LIKE RMS!1111'
17:36 mircea_popescu anyway, sounds like cheap drama. and it can't be THAT seeing how rms used a laptop before 2013.
17:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-29#1418199 << see also.
17:36 a111 Logged on 2016-02-29 16:55 asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
17:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for a long time he had a mips thing. which was pinched by an argentine and he, recall, publicly had nervous breakdown
17:37 mircea_popescu so wait, leah rowe used to be a dude ?!
17:37 asciilifeform (the argentine pickpocket i expect also had breakdown, when he powered the thing up later)
17:37 asciilifeform aha
17:39 mircea_popescu so basically, let me get this straight, trap from nz with a history of beauty pageants etc, forked some gnu software, nobody cared, then a few years later is trying to run with it and get credit for the intellectual theft ?
17:39 asciilifeform something of the kind.
17:39 asciilifeform could've bothered to steal a piece of ~working~ tech, you'd think.
17:40 mircea_popescu well, unless someone's VERY bored and wants to do a deconstruction/reconstruction of the lizard agitprop into actual text...
17:40 asciilifeform to my shame, i read the whole thing.
17:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, because to the sort of vermin technology per se is not interesting.
17:40 mircea_popescu what was interesting was the "media" value, as seen above.
17:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the point of this escapade was not to steal the dud bios.
17:40 asciilifeform it was to steal the LAND on which it sits, so to speak.
17:40 mircea_popescu right.
17:40 asciilifeform such that when, e.g., we publish one, they can boeck it.
17:41 mircea_popescu yeah, i'm totally sure that'll work.
17:41 asciilifeform it only needs to boeck-work.
17:41 mircea_popescu o hey, check it out, win-win.
17:41 asciilifeform lol-lol.
17:41 mircea_popescu quite. i for one am not the least bit against things boeck-working for the boecks.
17:42 asciilifeform at any rate, i trotted out the probe thing for a reason, you can't really effectively work on bios without one (or similar.)
17:42 mircea_popescu aha
17:42 asciilifeform and incidentally the pill allows the board to be cloned.
17:43 asciilifeform (if you can source the parts, they are all end-of-life, including the weird fpga)
17:43 mircea_popescu meh, i guess i'm the very bored.
17:44 asciilifeform the copy protection used a serial number embedded in the sage box's cpu (stellaris arm-compatible)
17:44 asciilifeform pill takes the last published fw from vendor and heals it so it finds exactly the serial it wants to find.
17:44 asciilifeform (based on what the plugged-in unit says)
17:45 mircea_popescu https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036.html << the actual drama, if anyone cares.
17:45 mircea_popescu apparently nobody does, holy shit check the count for gnu.org 2016-09.
17:47 mircea_popescu what exactly "libreboot is no longer part of the gnu project" is supposed to mean is anyone's guess. the whole existence of gnu is in the form of licenses. they can't retroactively change these. so they'll what, move to mit/bsd licenses in the future ? nobody gives a shit. are they selling to apple ? wouldn't be the first time fraudulent operator tried this under the guise of "good reasonz, guise!!!1"
17:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: idea, as far as i can see, is to appelbaum the whole thing
17:50 asciilifeform i.e. cover in scar tissue, so that nothing grows
17:50 mircea_popescu the whole what thing
17:50 mircea_popescu well, kinda wasted effort, fsf is pretty dead in out books anyway, fwis.
17:50 asciilifeform the concept of a non-blobbed bios for x86
17:50 mircea_popescu ahahahaha what.
17:51 asciilifeform the (promised) thing in libreboot was 'just same as coreboot but without any magic strings from chip vendors'
17:52 mircea_popescu aha
17:52 asciilifeform https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00060.html << now pushing usg.debian along for the ride.
17:53 asciilifeform https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00059.html << one poor bastard 'doesn't know how world now worx'
17:54 mircea_popescu damien zammit's piece linked upstream pretty much debunks the whole thing. rowe was a scammer from day one, stole some work from some naive coder people, is trying to pay for his cheetos with it.
17:55 asciilifeform http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#253 <
17:55 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:03:18] <asciilifeform> http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html << remaining working hands run for the hills.
17:55 mircea_popescu o hey there's an irc chan ?
17:55 mircea_popescu o hey check it out, #libreboot. come right in
17:56 Framedragger mircea_popescu: kicked in 3 2 1
17:56 asciilifeform lel how'd you expect that to go.
17:56 mircea_popescu that worked pretty well.
17:56 Framedragger omg i was too late to press return
17:57 Framedragger he got kicked before
17:57 Framedragger wow
17:57 Framedragger "***leah steals nothing" lol
17:58 mircea_popescu the problem with these idiots (niggers, ie technically-null wanna-be "political" bidnissmen) is that they're so fucking inept politically.
17:59 Framedragger mircea_popescu: do you have a log of that convo? it would be an entertaining read. or maybe a short non-time-consuming blog post? ;)
17:59 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2vxr4/?raw=true
17:59 asciilifeform ^ mine was a litttle longer.
17:59 mircea_popescu anyway, whoever feels like playing with the nigger, feel free to link http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html to it
18:00 Framedragger thx
18:03 Framedragger leah didn't answer yet (i posted the link)
18:05 asciilifeform https://twitter.com/markhkim/status/777489862270263296 << what passes for the logz in heathendom.
18:06 mircea_popescu always shocking, what the barbarian world does with
18:06 asciilifeform https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot-website/commit/18c0a561c44a447d558f66df5a680e162f44a58d << also lulzy.
18:06 asciilifeform ( permission, evidently, did NOT come )
18:06 pete_dushenski CONSENT!
18:07 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#283 << eminently lulzy, but how can you tell it's by hand ?
18:07 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:22:13] <asciilifeform> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8oabs/?raw=true << in other noose, idiot has been working, at least partly BY HAND, for more than a DAY, banging on the door of dulap
18:07 Framedragger livelogged chat for lulz: http://log.mkj.lt/libreboot_20160920.log.txt
18:07 Framedragger i particularly like
18:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we had this thread. either 'hand' or the most elaborately slow bot in existence.
18:08 trinque maybe trying to not trip a fail2ban
18:08 Framedragger [22:03:09] <leah> I still run this project
18:08 Framedragger [22:03:13] <leah> and your patches are still welcome
18:08 Framedragger [22:03:23] <leah> libreboot is currently expanding
18:08 Framedragger [22:03:32] <leah> the shock at the moment from the last few days is only temporary
18:08 mircea_popescu ah that discussion.k.
18:08 mircea_popescu ahahahah yeah right. i'm sure it will.
18:08 Framedragger [22:04:02] <leah> I was considering leaving GNU anyway
18:08 mircea_popescu who the fuck wants to give some random idiot their time, so the random idiot can then turn around and sell it for politics ?!
18:10 asciilifeform eh that's what happens when you have an fsf, which insists on being a usgtronic 'charity', instead of a 313333337 t3rr0r111st org. the former get to live with leahs and alices, the latter - expel with flamethrower.
18:10 mircea_popescu this is a point.
18:11 * asciilifeform changes petrol tank on flamethrower
18:11 mircea_popescu funny how leah is rapidly becoming the ~equivalent for these idiots of candi-is-a-stripper jen-is-a-sorority-slut etc
18:11 mircea_popescu leah-the-nigger-scum
18:12 asciilifeform point was that if 1) you cannot expel-with-framethrower 2) THEY know that you cannot expel-with-flamethrower -- they will come.
18:13 asciilifeform and subj is not limited to open sores, tor hacktiwhateverrism, etc.
18:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://blog.portswigger.net/2015/04/introducing-burp-collaborator.html << looks like it's actually another of those "security suites"
18:13 asciilifeform boring old corps are getting the same 'politruks' installed.
18:13 asciilifeform via same mechanism.
18:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lulzy.
18:14 mircea_popescu note they actually trace ips (scroll down)
18:15 mircea_popescu phf Framedragger anyone else with suspect load - may be worth your time to go through logs for those strings, may illuminate vulnerabilities.
18:15 asciilifeform in case it wasn't clear, they were dumping'em in phuctor's hopper
18:15 asciilifeform raw
18:15 asciilifeform hoping that.... ?????
18:15 Framedragger interesting
18:16 asciilifeform ( this, in case it wasn't obvious, doesn't do anything interesting )
18:17 mircea_popescu hey, most of the web runs on shit.
18:17 mircea_popescu i dun think you appreciate how unthinkable this "we have a single-purpose, fully understood stack running straqight atop lamp" thing is, on account of it being common here.
18:17 mircea_popescu but in the world at large you might as well have magical powers.
18:17 asciilifeform i have monumentally nfi
18:18 asciilifeform normally the scanbots are a snore because they go straight to looking for the (absent) wordpress
18:18 asciilifeform the ones which don't, ring the bell, and i look
18:19 mircea_popescu aha.
18:20 asciilifeform it isn't even entirely clear what anyone might hope to accomplish, beyond the merely annoying, by screwing with phuctor
18:20 asciilifeform there are 0 secrets there
18:20 mircea_popescu how is a third party to interact with a "i have 0 secrets" claim ?
18:21 asciilifeform ok, let's rephrase, the map to finding captain kidd's buried gigatonne of gold may or may not be concealed in phuctor src.
18:21 asciilifeform but there is no external reason to suppose that it is.
18:21 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#314 << that for sure, everything !#s'd should be cached.
18:21 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:37:38] <phf> kind of tricky to cache search, since it's very one off. most load on server comes from searching (i mean it's miniscule still, but...), but i looked at analytics and search queries are all over the place. you have n hits from mentions, which ~might~ be worthwhile to cache. (like ascii does !#s foo, and then there's a dozen of hits from random ips and
18:21 scriba browsers)
18:22 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#318 << nice going!
18:22 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:39:38] <PeterL> I am running it now into the past
18:22 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#320 << word.
18:22 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:40:25] <phf> well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
18:23 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#331 << yes.
18:23 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:47:12] <phf> i still think that's the ideal model of computing, mentat approach
18:31 asciilifeform argh
18:31 asciilifeform thing shits here when pm'd?!
18:31 asciilifeform jhvh1 <
18:31 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Error: "<" is not a valid command.
18:31 asciilifeform or hm
18:32 asciilifeform nm
18:32 asciilifeform ( for some reason my client displays replies from jhvh1 in #t tab )
18:32 shinohai weird
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18:59 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/random-idiot-accepts-peoples-time-and-work-idiot-turns-around-and-sells-it-for-politics/ << Qntra - Random Idiot Accepts People's Time And Work, Idiot Turns Around And Sells It For Politics
19:00 BingoBoingo ty mircea_popescu for authoring title in lawgz
19:03 mircea_popescu o.O
19:04 mircea_popescu i'm flattered!
19:05 mircea_popescu this is where shinohai tweets qntra at derp, utter meltdown v2.0 commences.
19:05 mircea_popescu LIBREGATE!11
19:05 shinohai I tweeted it already but give me her handle, I craft another
19:06 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/buttfinex-just-hemorrhoiding-out-lols-now/ << Qntra - Buttfinex Just Hemorrhoiding Out Lols Now
19:06 shinohai well, qntra tweets automatically
19:06 BingoBoingo Don't forget the backdoor case this makes for V! WHo' next down on the outrage train to make that case explicitly!
19:06 shinohai We can advertise `V` as trans-free
19:07 BingoBoingo transfats don't matter. The point is ATTRIBUTION VS PLAGIARISM!
19:08 shinohai I'd like to take this opportunity to thank pete_dushenski for article sauce btw
19:09 BingoBoingo In other lols https://twitter.com/blkchninstitute/status/778121912086065152 << Alf has phans!
19:12 asciilifeform lolwat
19:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some random retweeter accountbot.
19:13 asciilifeform i always assumed that was BingoBoingo
19:13 asciilifeform or did he lose his
19:15 BingoBoingo Not yet, just disused. All I lost today was a 21 y/o nursing student who refused to turn her will and life *completely* over to a higher power.
19:22 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/gnu/comments/53q9ja/political_kerfluffel_exposes_problematic/
19:23 shinohai mp_pimpslap upboated
19:29 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
19:29 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 430730 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 693 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 17 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
19:35 mircea_popescu isn't it kerfuffle ?
19:37 BingoBoingo It's reddit, demands incorrection!
19:39 mircea_popescu lol
19:41 pete_dushenski re : shinohai's latest qntra, i'll also point out for the archivists that an embalmed copy of the 'bfx-->rrt pitch' is preserved here http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bitfinex-Preview-BFX-conversion-pitch.pdf
19:41 mircea_popescu might want to deed
19:41 pete_dushenski archive.is, webarchive, jpeg thingies... none of them could save it. so there's a 16mb pdf. hooray
19:41 shinohai I was gonna include but I never got it to load pete_dushenski
19:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C29EA6B1F7D6AD77DEBA08E41C7C04C88A9C80A2BBDA661383959A4DABAC776E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
19:42 pete_dushenski too large!
19:42 shinohai must be quite a large file
19:42 mircea_popescu o wowza.
19:42 pete_dushenski sweet bust
19:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform shared factors with 8ball ?
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19:43 mircea_popescu this is pretty epic ftr, we're just about at half-N size.
19:43 thestringpuller "Trump Jr. Likens Syrian Refugees To Skittles" @_@
19:43 thestringpuller ^- in other lulz
19:44 pete_dushenski ie. syrians have multi-coloured guts when you rip open their package ?
19:44 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#654 << o.O why push so hard!
19:44 scriba Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
19:44 scriba Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
19:44 mircea_popescu Framedragger lol!
19:45 mircea_popescu whole line is 169 chars long...
19:50 mircea_popescu http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8732 << altogether epic article.
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19:52 pete_dushenski "To me, Facebook is perhaps the most worrisome of all the Big Data concerns of the book. It now exercises an incredible amount of influence over what information people see, with this influence sometimes being sold to the highest bidder." << PEEEEEPLE. not cows and other sundry farm animals. couldn't be!
19:53 pete_dushenski "Edward Snowden remarked that we are now “tagged animals, the primary difference being that we paid for the tags and they’re in our pockets.”" << obv. snowden v1.
19:53 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: The great tragedy of Mcmansion is it reinforces the vinyl and sticks school of building. That of course private residence, even "nice" one, should be hovel.
19:56 pete_dushenski ftr y'all can bust a cap in my ass if you ever see me doing anything more than visit a mcmansionous monstrosity for the afternoon. i think it's tragic that anyone considers ~these~ their castles. it's a failure of the education system, starting with their parents, who apparently lacked the cock and balls to smack sense into their chitlin.
19:57 trinque Framedragger: not necessarily advisable to announce to the world what went wrong, other than that it did.
19:58 trinque gives someone a way to feel around in your bot's guts for information
19:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C29EA6B1F7D6AD77DEBA08E41C7C04C88A9C80A2BBDA661383959A4DABAC776E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
19:59 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9BBDEB5651AD779357CC0300D7EBA2B94508BD233C3EFCE605A33732A425A607 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
20:01 BingoBoingo What really get me though is the distance to egress which makes the McMansion a deathtrap.
20:01 BingoBoingo brb
20:06 pete_dushenski same could be said of office building, grade school, etc. operable windows are a ready solution to the emergency egress problem. 3.8 sq. ft. operable area is mandated in these parts.
20:07 pete_dushenski !!deed http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bitfinex-Preview-BFX-conversion-pitch.pdf
20:09 shinohai deedbot eats pdf files now?
20:09 shinohai lol
20:10 pete_dushenski maybe! let a guy stick his dick in the electrical outlet woudlja
20:10 shinohai hue
20:10 shinohai I heard it helps if you insert a sounding rod before sticking in socket
20:11 pete_dushenski either way, i'll be hosting it i guess
20:11 pete_dushenski !~google sounding rod
20:11 jhvh1 pete_dushenski: "Cock-stuffing" | Go Ask Alice!: <http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/cock-stuffing>; Sensible Sounding : Why I Inserted a Metal Rod into My Penis on ...: <http://www.nerve.com/love-sex/true-stories/sensible-sounding-why-i-inserted-a-metal-rod-into-my-penis-on-purpose>; Urethral sounding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urethral_sounding
20:12 pete_dushenski alice again!
20:12 * shinohai lels at "Go ask Alice"
20:21 deedbot Bad URL or network outage.
20:28 pete_dushenski i deserved that
20:29 pete_dushenski bbl. to sing for a spell.
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20:46 mod6 good evening
20:47 shinohai o7 mod6
20:47 mod6 how goes it?
20:47 mod6 <+asciilifeform> lol-lol. << haha
20:47 shinohai Good here, offline builds were smooth as always.
20:47 mod6 nice!
20:48 mod6 cool, im gonna run some tests here myself.
20:48 shinohai I only did 2 today, one on each of the usual platforms
20:48 shinohai Didn't try the gentoo yet but don't expect any issues
20:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1546092 << nope
20:56 a111 Logged on 2016-09-20 23:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shared factors with 8ball ?
20:56 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C29EA6B1F7D6AD77DEBA08E41C7C04C88A9C80A2BBDA661383959A4DABAC776E <<<>>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9BBDEB5651AD779357CC0300D7EBA2B94508BD233C3EFCE605A33732A425A607
20:56 asciilifeform and ftr i still have nfi why the bot dupes
20:57 asciilifeform my rss page does not, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss , see for yourself.
20:57 mod6 <+shinohai> I only did 2 today, one on each of the usual platforms << ok good deal.
20:57 mod6 <+shinohai> Didn't try the gentoo yet but don't expect any issues << ok let me know, im doing my testing on gentoo to start with anyway.
21:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for some lulz, calculate how many planets would be needed to hold the 8ball that you briefly thought we had.
21:03 asciilifeform assuming a magical 1 bit per atom storage density.
21:04 asciilifeform and an ~earth-sized unit of planet.
21:05 asciilifeform (an 8ball of this size would indeed phuctor every modulus ever submitted, in polynomial time, supposing that you could somehow arithmetize on it)
21:07 asciilifeform https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00067.html << in other lulz.
21:07 asciilifeform '"We" made no such public statement, YOU did, Leah! As a major CODE contributor to the libreboot project and having been banned from the IRC channel after posting the following (mainly factual) article, I no longer will be contributing patches to Leah's personal "libreboot" pet project, but I will be pushing upstream to coreboot as usual.' -- zammit
21:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1546102 << dunno, the equalista whining, e.g., 'The effects of automated algorithms sorting and rejecting job applications, with indirect consequences of discrimination against classes of people. ... The effects of algorithms that score credit, determine access to mortgages and to insurance, often with the effect of making sure that those deemed losers stay that way.' is offputting.
21:18 a111 Logged on 2016-09-20 23:50 mircea_popescu: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8732 << altogether epic article.
21:18 asciilifeform the 'designated' losers are designated FOR REASONS maybe?!
21:19 asciilifeform could it be time to lay off the 'кто был никем тот станет всем!1111' knob..?
21:21 asciilifeform now i have not read the book herr woit is reviewing, but the review imho is not his finest moment.
21:25 asciilifeform sooooo in entirely other noose, fellas, recall the ntp mega-threadz?? e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-09#1194173
21:25 a111 Logged on 2015-07-09 01:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and if they decide that 'national s33k0000r1ty' requires a leap week ?
21:25 asciilifeform well, guess who reads the logz
21:25 asciilifeform usg reads the logz.
21:25 trinque good evening usg!
21:25 asciilifeform and they have a wunderbar!1111 ntp replacement : https://roughtime.googlesource.com/roughtime
21:25 asciilifeform just for you and meeee!
21:26 asciilifeform i will leave 'spot the wtf' as an exercise for the dear reader.
21:26 asciilifeform (there are at least four separate howlers)
21:32 trinque But with half a dozen or more independent servers, the client will end up with chain of proof of any server's misbehaviour, signed by several others, and (presumably) enough accurate replies to establish what the correct time is.
21:32 trinque if enough people are shouting the same thing, they are right.
21:33 asciilifeform or how about where 'millions' of ecdsa sigs are being cranked out on boxes with prng.
21:33 asciilifeform or, or...
21:33 trinque you don't know how democracy works
21:33 asciilifeform evidently.
21:33 asciilifeform see, the disappointing part is that these are never serious puzzlers
21:34 asciilifeform i keep hoping to run into one where i have to pour a cup of tea, scratch head, ...etc
21:34 asciilifeform instead of 'omfgwtf'
21:34 asciilifeform these have 0 'underhanded c contest' appeal, it's straight club in your face.
21:35 asciilifeform it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
21:35 asciilifeform there is no... sport.
21:36 asciilifeform but, regardless, countdown 3, 2, 1.... to 'roughtime' in prb, ssl, etc.
21:37 asciilifeform trinque: notice the absence of any mention of the question of 'what are people'
21:38 asciilifeform reader is not expected to have ever heard of sybil, etc, or so much as given the matter five seconds of thought.
21:38 trinque they're this grey goo you can sybil up as much as you like
21:38 trinque heh
21:40 trinque it all flows directly from that they have the sybil-tron, and the fakerng, and... and...
21:40 trinque there's no sport because as far as I can tell, this is a device used to herd cows
21:40 trinque whether they're shopping at walmart, "trading" at goldman sachs, or exploding ball bearings in pressure cookers
21:41 * trinque wonders when the smoking man will finally visit asciilifeform, tell him where the real adversaries are
21:43 asciilifeform adversary is real, is is simply that his weapon of choice appears to cause death by boredom.
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22:20 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#690 << holy shit notice that ITS NOT THE SAME N
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22:20 scriba Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
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22:20 scriba Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
22:21 mircea_popescu these keys are well and truly popped.
22:22 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#7 << the method is in the deeds ; base64-and-sign
22:22 scriba Logged on 2016-09-21: [00:10:00] <pete_dushenski> maybe! let a guy stick his dick in the electrical outlet woudlja
22:29 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#42 << sure ; hard to find an entirely clean apple in the swamp. i'd still like to see woit here if anyone knows him enough to invite.
22:29 scriba Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:18:24] <asciilifeform> the 'designated' losers are designated FOR REASONS maybe?!
22:30 mircea_popescu lol "googlegit". totally.
22:32 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#64 << for the obvious reason. they're petrified of giving away the little they know.
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22:32 scriba Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:35:42] <asciilifeform> it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
22:34 mircea_popescu http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8727 << also interesting. templeton, eh ?
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22:36 BingoBoingo Stallman Speaks? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00072.html
22:36 mircea_popescu lol "let's keep a lid on it" ?
22:37 BingoBoingo Compare to https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00063.html
22:37 mircea_popescu smarter move than leah's social suicide, at any rate.
22:38 mircea_popescu o hey. francis rowe became leah to escape being confused with a bunch of cricket players from the 1800s ?
22:38 BingoBoingo Perhaps?
22:39 mircea_popescu https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot/commits/docs-html-backport << apparently happening ~4 months ago.
22:41 BingoBoingo Well, this is how trends work
22:41 mircea_popescu https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot-website/src/master/site/gnu/index.php << lotta hurr in there. this installment is tagged "response to zammit"
22:42 mircea_popescu lulzy at the "francis dba leah certainly isn't going anywhere". really ?
22:42 mircea_popescu seems he's already gone.
22:43 BingoBoingo 4 months a Leah https://archive.is/91leC and hurr in there https://archive.is/nSFrZ archived
22:43 mircea_popescu check it out, derp is "certainly not going anywhere", but "these people should resign or be fired".
22:43 mircea_popescu bwahahahaha.
22:43 mircea_popescu in other news if i hear anyone EVER collaborated with francis/leah rowe for any reason or in any capacity i'm negrating.
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23:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546186 << wai wahat why would it ever be the same N
23:00 a111 Logged on 2016-09-21 02:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#690 << holy shit notice that ITS NOT THE SAME N
23:00 scriba Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
23:00 scriba Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
23:00 asciilifeform those are called dupes
23:00 asciilifeform and live under 'dupes' page
23:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546187 << and Framedragger what's this
23:01 a111 Logged on 2016-09-21 02:20 scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
23:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546195 << it even has a name, in their camp, 'nonattributable'. sometimes backfires - e.g., the mandatory use of rc5/6 in usg trojans, is now quite 'attributable'
23:02 a111 Logged on 2016-09-21 02:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#64 << for the obvious reason. they're petrified of giving away the little they know.
23:02 scriba Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:35:42] <asciilifeform> it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
23:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546197 << and hey, who said yudkowsky was the only player of the 'charilaundry' game.
23:05 a111 Logged on 2016-09-21 02:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8727 << also interesting. templeton, eh ?
23:05 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545496 << in particular how it shows NO TRANSACTIONS
23:05 a111 Logged on 2016-09-20 07:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#33 << not really. block 0 (sometimes referred to as 1), ie the genesis block was handcrafted.
23:05 scriba Logged on 2016-09-20: [05:34:46] <ben_vulpes> https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
23:09 asciilifeform the other thing about rms and his response - the 'sex harassment' racket has been a thing in usa for long enough that a well-developed body of kabuki ritual now exists; where, if an org can demonstrate that said kabuki were religiously followed, its liability is in practice limited to something survivable
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23:10 asciilifeform ergo the very peculiar 'mandatory trainings', 'hr processes', etc.
23:10 asciilifeform it has not reached the maturity of tax law, but whet were once suppurating wounds are mostly covered in scar tissue now and the schmucks sorta live with it
23:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because same single machine on multiple ips, naively.
23:11 asciilifeform *what were
23:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we found a megatonne of these
23:11 asciilifeform or rather, of scenarios indistinguishable from them
23:11 mircea_popescu right. which is what i meant.
23:12 asciilifeform anyway, no key shared by >2 boxes iirc yet popped.
23:12 asciilifeform (2+ ip)
23:12 mircea_popescu the above ?
23:13 asciilifeform each of the N (moduli) listed is seen once, to date.
23:13 mircea_popescu anyway. along with "kyc", the "sex harassment" is a primo idiocy to have a stake driven through heart.
23:13 mircea_popescu from attention whoring doublespoken as "rape" all the way down to "communities" of whateverthefucks.
23:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it'll die no sooner than american tax law. at this point there are 100,000 parasites who make cushy living purely from professionally navigating the kabuki.
23:14 asciilifeform (and, evidently, rms employs one...)
23:14 mircea_popescu incidentally, taking bets on how long before usg actually enters tax paid to republic in its "books" such as they are.
23:15 asciilifeform when it pays so much as a satoshi?
23:15 mircea_popescu what satoshi. on its current budget owes about half billion in its paper.
23:15 mircea_popescu about same for 2015, also.
23:16 asciilifeform this owing, it is not comparable to schmuck owing on his car loan.
23:16 asciilifeform it is a fiction.
23:16 mircea_popescu certainly not. that - fiction. this - owing.
23:21 asciilifeform hard to collect caviar that's already been eaten.
23:22 asciilifeform pig ate - max you can do is to eat the pig
23:22 asciilifeform which does not turn to caviar as you eat him, no.
23:23 mod6 caviar debt, still owed.
23:23 asciilifeform which is what i meant by the fiction. no one will collect so much as a percent of what the lizards 'owe'.
23:23 asciilifeform go collect debt from earthquake.
23:29 BingoBoingo Pig settles caviar debt with pork. Debt eliminated by settlement.
23:29 asciilifeform was my point tho
23:29 asciilifeform it is in the pig's interest to soak up max caviar
23:29 asciilifeform his payment will be - same.
23:30 asciilifeform historically folks tried to deal with the problem via elaborate impalements etc. but it was never satisfactory solution.
23:31 asciilifeform ( not for the naively 'obvious' reasons, but because folks who know that they will be made into 'latrine pig' tend not to surrender )
23:32 asciilifeform there is not a solution to this, if you will, binomial
23:32 mod6 "no man, no problem"
23:32 asciilifeform ( threat that leads pig to consider laying off the caviar )
23:33 asciilifeform mod6: thread was how the problem indeed remains after 'no man'
23:33 asciilifeform *was re
23:38 asciilifeform in re earlier thread,
23:39 asciilifeform 59.21.182.242 and 85.218.41.103 are, on 2 continents, boxes running 'aerohive'.
23:39 asciilifeform which is a new turd, in the ssh turdlist.
23:39 asciilifeform 'hiveos'.
23:40 asciilifeform same ssl cert, too.
23:40 asciilifeform http://www.aerohive.com << 'At Aerohive, we believe that every Access Point is a starting point.'
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