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01:08 BingoBoingo c machine http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/my-int-is-too-big
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01:14 BingoBoingo https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/c/ca/Pokemon_go_tips.jpg/400px-Pokemon_go_tips.jpg
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07:15 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504528 <<< best definition ever.
07:15 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 02:27 hanbot: asciilifeform it's when they don't deliberately tent their fingers with evil glee (or alternatively, pet a sleeping cat from comfortable armchair) afore launching Plans to Set the Werld on Fire.
07:21 mircea_popescu and in other boobs, http://66.media.tumblr.com/13534c9f65c51506b534af2f2612b143/tumblr_nmnauuD7wf1tmg9jco1_1280.jpg
07:23 shinohai Well, every office needs one. Or 7.
07:24 mircea_popescu sorta like it's the job of the chick playing the cleric to go under the table once the raid's done ?
07:25 shinohai >.<
07:25 mircea_popescu from teh office slut biweekly : http://66.media.tumblr.com/0f4e3d3d6e4c616c934fd7b315738f50/tumblr_nkta07rDx11s8rwvgo1_r1_400.gif
07:26 shinohai Is this what a board meeting of tmsr would look like?
07:26 mircea_popescu incidentally, weird that the capon population doesn't come up with this, you know ? there should be The Office Slut, a magazine, depicting and discussing items of juvenile interest.
07:26 mircea_popescu naw.
07:26 mircea_popescu this is a broad meeting not a board meeting.
07:27 mircea_popescu "this is melissa, she'll be our sexcretary today"
07:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504550 << nice find bb
07:28 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 05:08 BingoBoingo: c machine http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/my-int-is-too-big
07:30 mircea_popescu especially his discussion of kqueue and the hashtable/array duality + fd_getfile workings strictly indicates a) he's an idiot ; b) that http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study/ 's "This is what cargo cultism is, you see : memetic stupidity, inescapable for the aculturated. Even if they try. Especially if they try." is exactly right and, sadly, c) that alf is exactly correct : we can't have computers as a continuation
07:30 mircea_popescu of the current shit.
07:31 mircea_popescu i don't agree with his illuministic/humanitarian blaming of the hardware, i believe we can't have computers until and unless impaling every single derp currently involved in computing in any capacity, but this looks like a dispute for the ages.
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07:41 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/150k
07:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
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08:03 shinohai http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117699 <<< bwahaha this guy actually asked you to cryptocat mircea_popescu ? LOLOL
08:03 shinohai Always got to have a shitty app/
08:04 mircea_popescu i dunno wtf is with them.
08:17 thestringpuller shinohai: Steem bubble may pop soon. Accidental ponzis never last long.
08:18 thestringpuller Not enough BTC capital providing bid depth compared to market cap. Feel bad for makeup girl who "earned $20k". Probably would have made more showing her tits here.
08:19 shinohai I fully expect every scamcoin I write about to vaporize in an amazing flash of bright white light someday.
08:25 deedbot [Trilema] His dumb is too thick - http://trilema.com/2016/his-dumb-is-too-thick/
08:27 Framedragger damn mircea_popescu, your wordspersec rate is good. (and i'm yet to read the siege story!)
08:36 Framedragger (i mean, what with translation and everything)
08:37 Framedragger (typo, s/Semptember/September/ )
08:45 Framedragger mircea_popescu: re "Your name is enough cannon, Highness, said Pototki." << (just curious: is the wordplay present in romanian, too?)
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09:03 Framedragger mircea_popescu: great story, much appreciate
09:04 Framedragger so the iablonovski fellow was the same who had advised against the siege, and who insisted on the jagers' bravery and terms of surrender afterwards
09:05 Framedragger ...but yeah. the last para is a kind of foreshadowing i imagine, skeleton of a giant and all. such a strong image, incl of what's to come for them...
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09:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504568 << the impalement is inescapable. i simply object to the notion of sparing the hardware they built - it is every bit as insidiously and infectiously idiotic as all of their software creations.
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09:23 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 11:31 mircea_popescu: i don't agree with his illuministic/humanitarian blaming of the hardware, i believe we can't have computers until and unless impaling every single derp currently involved in computing in any capacity, but this looks like a dispute for the ages.
09:36 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504584 << (just realized the 'giant' refers to the fortress itself. but works just as well)
09:36 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 13:05 Framedragger: ...but yeah. the last para is a kind of foreshadowing i imagine, skeleton of a giant and all. such a strong image, incl of what's to come for them...
09:46 jurov http://www.darpa.mil/program/cyber-grand-challenge << just to see alf frothing ;)
09:46 jurov "Cyber Grand Challenge: a competition that seeks to create automatic defensive systems capable of reasoning about flaws, formulating patches and deploying them on a network in real time."
09:48 shinohai Maybe there could be a dapp for that.
09:54 asciilifeform jurov: know that, if i had not escaped from rupturefarms, i would be sent there.
09:57 asciilifeform jurov: i ended up in a delegation to an even lamer darpa thing, at one point, it was lysenko-level crapolade
09:57 asciilifeform chronicled, i think, in the l0gz, somewhere
09:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474773 << thread.
09:58 a111 Logged on 2016-06-01 17:49 asciilifeform: btw when i went down into the snakepit with several dozen renowned 'cryptographers' earlier this year, i asked a few folks about this.
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10:19 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.241 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.13.241@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E3E9002C721814E2C39E9F4BD4B5016523A5ADD56F7C40A0563637241CE
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10:19 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.27 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.27 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.15.27@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/203F16439790F93F40EDE8B6DDC2D70A8576C55FDB4E41ECD2480E4DB243AB1
10:20 asciilifeform moar mexican dsl.
10:20 shinohai Estamos seguros!
10:21 asciilifeform $s sodamigo
10:21 a111 1 results for "sodamigo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sodamigo
10:21 mircea_popescu Framedragger ty.
10:30 shinohai I DM'd Stephan Tual on twitter to ask why he blocked me. Reply was that "you write fabricated information on The Dao and I believe you to be in league with mircea_popescu".
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10:30 shinohai lol
10:38 thestringpuller Stephen Tual doesn't like mircea_popescu ?!?
10:39 mircea_popescu who's that again ?
10:39 mircea_popescu Framedragger wordplay not present ; note that this is a work of fiction - for instance the "killing of the commander of artillery" actually happened during a siege by mahomed 2. apud giovanni maria angiolello, Venetian banker to the sultan : "Era il resto di Suzava con fossi et palanche circondata, le case et chiese erano di legname coperte di scandole, solamente un castello v'era fabricato di pietra et calcina, a coste, et d
10:39 mircea_popescu i fuora della terra, il quale si teneva, et era fornito, ma perche le vettovarie erano venute a manco, non si stette a perder tempo, et ritornato il campo per un'altra via, venissemo ad un forte castello, posto in monte, nel quale si trovava esser li prigioni del Turco, che furono presi l'anno avanti supra inverno, quando fu rotto Soliman Bassa, et fatta esperienza de haver detta fortezza, vi furono piantate sette bocche di b
10:39 mircea_popescu ombarde, et per otto giorni si fece pruovi di haverla, si ruppero due di quelle bombarde, et quelli ch'erano nella fortezza non volsero mai haver parlamento, et tutti si difendevano con l'artegliarie et non si curavano di noi."
10:40 shinohai He's the fatso from the slock.it team.
10:40 mircea_popescu i can't quote the item for lacking a title ; romanian copies are curated and collected by ioan ursu as "historia turchesca 1300-1514), editura academiei romane, 1910 - where it's found at page 91 and urm.
10:41 mircea_popescu thestringpuller http://trilema.com/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker might have something to do with it.
10:41 thestringpuller Slock.it adding more problems to the p2p market. I asked someone once, "What keeps people from just stealing your bike once the slock is unlocked?" "Uh I dunno. We never got that far."
10:42 mircea_popescu (i only bother with the reference because it's a very convenient example of many thousands extant that "nobody knows about".)
10:44 thestringpuller Anyone else notice a trend that altcoins with high BTC trade volume tend to go accidental ponzi?
10:44 mircea_popescu there;s a group of pumpers working them.
10:44 thestringpuller i think only LTC has some liquidity on the bid side...
10:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/his-dumb-is-too-thick/#comment-118124
10:46 thestringpuller I also just realized Steem copied Qntra's model. Have BTC investors, pay for content creators to create content.
10:46 thestringpuller Just Steem is ponzi-fying it, while Qntra actually works...
10:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504585 << on that statement of it we can prolly fall to agreement.
10:49 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504568 << the impalement is inescapable. i simply object to the notion of sparing the hardware they built - it is every bit as insidiously and infectiously idiotic as all of their software creations.
10:50 asciilifeform see earlier comment. all roads to sanity lead to some variant of lisp machine.
10:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504597 << a) beautiful to see phuctor work as gcd proper, innit ? and b) wtf is with these broken ssh keys, they're all used on narrow ip spaces. third case today it's xx.xx.xx.yy vs xx.xx.xx.zz sort of thing ?
10:51 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 14:19 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.241 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.13.241@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E3E9002C721814E2C39E9F4BD4B5016523A5ADD56F7C40A0563637241CE
10:51 mircea_popescu isn't this proof positive of DELIBERATE broken ssh key generation ? ie, context-dependent ?
10:51 asciilifeform and, more generally speaking, AGGRESSIVE debabelization - BURN the 10,001 video boards, we need ONE; BURN the 10,001 allocators - we need ONE, in silicon; etc
10:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504604 << i lolled.
10:52 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 14:30 shinohai: I DM'd Stephan Tual on twitter to ask why he blocked me. Reply was that "you write fabricated information on The Dao and I believe you to be in league with mircea_popescu".
10:53 mircea_popescu can you imagine all the dudebro biscuit eating going around in poorly lit, unventilated basements while chanting my name and pretending the bit of plastic up their butt is really my penis ?
10:55 mircea_popescu $up reydev
10:55 deedbot reydev voiced for 30 minutes.
10:57 reydev good day all
10:57 * mircea_popescu waves
10:58 reydev just wanted to leave this here for whatever its worth http://www.weboftrust.info/
10:58 mircea_popescu is this your production ?
10:58 reydev not at all
10:58 asciilifeform 'The Web of Trust is a buzzword for a new model of decentralized self-sovereign identity. It’s a phrase that dates back almost twenty-five years, the classic definition derives from PGP. But some use it as a term to include self-sovereign identity authentication & verification, certificate validation, and reputation assessment, while the vibrant blockchain community is also drawing new attention to the concept we aim to reboot it.'
10:58 asciilifeform << l0l!!
10:58 asciilifeform REBOOT IT!!111111
10:58 mircea_popescu any conceivable reason we'd care ?
10:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for as long as they have the sense to stay out of the reach of the fortress that sunk teh ether-dao, they'll be fine.
10:59 asciilifeform VIBRANT BLOCKCHAIN KOMMOOYYYYOOOOONITYY!11
10:59 mircea_popescu for any value of fine that reduces to "flail meaninglessly among themselves"
10:59 shinohai reboot = using 99 cent rattle can of paint to change colour?
10:59 mircea_popescu aha.
10:59 asciilifeform shinohai: nah, own liquishit, sprayed directly
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11:00 mircea_popescu imagine, some fucktards are going to have "the greaters impact" on "self-sovereign identity"
11:00 mircea_popescu the only impact they'll have on anything is if i decide to use their skulls to remodel a wall. then they'll impact alright, and even temporarily color things.
11:00 reydev hmm
11:01 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504648 <<<< this makes for better slogan "You can have your WoT in any color you like, as long as it's brown."
11:01 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 14:59 asciilifeform: shinohai: nah, own liquishit, sprayed directly
11:01 mircea_popescu ahahaha, christopher allen "principal architect at blockstream"
11:01 mircea_popescu mmkay.
11:02 mircea_popescu not even "bunch of illiterate kids reinventing the world without bothering to check up the dictionary first", but the usual case of "imbeciles still jacking off to the notion VC can stand up to MP".
11:03 mircea_popescu anyway, archived as https://archive.is/SiBb5 and https://archive.is/8ffqQ just in case someone wants the names for whatever kill list later on
11:04 mircea_popescu reydev thanks for reporting.
11:07 reydev while i'm up, can i ask wrt qntra, is it meant to be non-profit? as in, is the idea that shareholders are like sponsors?
11:08 thestringpuller qntra has ways to monetize beyond having consumers paying shareholders
11:09 mircea_popescu reydev why non profit ? it's currently worth more than gawker.
11:09 mircea_popescu seems rather profitable.
11:09 thestringpuller ^- not for shareholders (yet)
11:10 mircea_popescu how not ? you own a share of x item that's worth a lot.
11:11 mircea_popescu reydev anyway, nothing keeping you from joining... the web of trust. you'll likely be able to self voice, at least unless/until you go militantly stupid.
11:11 reydev im already in it
11:11 reydev have it all set up
11:11 reydev im just not at the computer
11:12 mircea_popescu $gettrust assbot reydev
11:12 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
11:12 mircea_popescu ah cool.
11:14 reydev anyhow, i dont see the revenue model for qntra if there is any, is there something to read about it?
11:18 mircea_popescu if qntra sells to... i dunno, who hasn't bought anything in a while, apple say ? for a perfectly market-reasonable hundred billion dollars, then a shareholder that bought however many shares for however many bitcents will receive however many hundreds of millions of dollars.
11:19 mircea_popescu that's the revenue model of EVERYTHING else, why'd you go "i don't see the qntra revenue model" ? do you go around saying "i don't see the linkedin revenue model" ?
11:19 mircea_popescu because i expect you should.
11:20 asciilifeform who, i wonder, would continue to write for qntra after this hypothetical crapocalypse ?
11:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform seeing how it comes with 1 bitcent = 100mn dollars, i would expect EVERYONE.
11:20 asciilifeform (and why would, e.g., crapple, buy it? other than to kill)
11:20 mircea_popescu think : who's raping who here ? the game is not "does usg rape us or doesn't it". it's "have raped it yet ?" not binary but unary, only one final state available.
11:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, it buys it so WE kill it.
11:21 asciilifeform ah, berlin '45
11:21 asciilifeform long way off.
11:21 reydev i doubt most of these social media sites will ever be profitable? except indeed for the ones issuing the shares
11:21 asciilifeform i dun even own a chronoscope powerful enough to see this.
11:21 mircea_popescu what's the russian expression, карниз ? :D
11:22 mircea_popescu reydev so is linkedin profitable ?
11:22 reydev i doubt it
11:22 mircea_popescu but for the shareholders ?
11:22 reydev probably big time yeah
11:22 mircea_popescu no media item in the history of items was ever profitable in the aluminum siding sense of profitability.
11:22 mircea_popescu chiefly because... they're not in the business of turning out aluminum siding.
11:23 reydev well youve given me something to ponder
11:23 mircea_popescu you're welcome
11:24 reydev :)
11:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504253 << this ties in somehow with the typically murican expectation of "Social mobility", but the implications are yet murky.
11:35 a111 Logged on 2016-07-17 17:31 asciilifeform: the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety
11:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: chumps are almost biologically drawn to 'musical chairs' game
11:35 mircea_popescu aha.
11:35 asciilifeform 'IMAWINNNNNNERRR!!'
11:35 mircea_popescu a fool's game, all sound and fury, signifying nothing.
11:38 asciilifeform it is almost as if they all heard napoleon's 'in every private's rucksack there is a feldmarshal's baton'
11:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504265 << i suspect by now the "3d printed gun" is moreover useful ; afaik work is underway to the typically ustarded pivot of "we're not forbidding weapons - only working ones ; you can still have 3d printed plastic shit! it'll be just as good as the real thing for what you do with it anyway, which is to say jack off".
11:39 a111 Logged on 2016-07-17 17:57 asciilifeform: in other 'news', this schmuck is still in business, apparently : http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-cody-wilson-ghost-gunner-ar-15
11:39 asciilifeform it so happens that i was reading the docs for his mill machine just now, https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0206/7642/files/GG2_Manual.pdf?4483922796295118618
11:40 asciilifeform it is a fairly ordinary, and very cheaply made, cnc grinder thing
11:40 mircea_popescu i was thinking, looks adequate and no more.
11:40 mircea_popescu not sure worth the 1500, but anyway.
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11:40 asciilifeform and, interestingly, won't even make the 'receiver' from aluminum billet, you need a '80% complete' one
11:40 asciilifeform to start from
11:40 mircea_popescu heh
11:40 asciilifeform they are - currently - openly sold in usa
11:40 asciilifeform just like the barrels, clockwork, bolts, etc
11:40 asciilifeform but this could change at the drop of a hat
11:41 mircea_popescu bloomberg piece includes the official ideological discussion of trump, check that out.
11:41 asciilifeform http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0401/8057/products/80_percent_lower_raw_lower_fire_and_safe_1024x1024.jpg?v=1430669926 << subj
11:41 mircea_popescu by now an idiot familiar to soviet journos is well at work in the "mainstream" media. his job ? stick talking points into unrelated items.
11:41 mircea_popescu he tells himself this is a stepping stone to a carrier as congress gofer - where he'll suck his boss' cock and do the same thing to "laws"
11:41 mircea_popescu or whatever you call the multi-folio piles of maculature that place produces.
11:42 asciilifeform (notice, ~all of the tricky metalwork: threading, horizontal drilling - is done)
11:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504269 <<< guess. heh.
11:43 a111 Logged on 2016-07-17 18:00 asciilifeform: or why he collects megabux of donation simply to give to lawyers;
11:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504301 << just the fact that "they were not attacking police deliberately" is now part of the list of factoids aparartchick has to insert into articles is indicative of just how fucking petrified teh usg is.
11:46 a111 Logged on 2016-07-17 19:58 asciilifeform: 'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel
11:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504707 << think for a minute. 1500 (about ~triple the cost of making the mill yourself from surplus partz) AND NOW BE ON THE LIST
11:50 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 15:40 mircea_popescu: not sure worth the 1500, but anyway.
11:50 mircea_popescu but maybe you like being on lists.
11:51 asciilifeform can get on list for phreee.
11:51 asciilifeform why pay.
11:51 mircea_popescu some people prefer to pay, what can i tell ye.
11:55 asciilifeform 'has a machinable area of 8.25″ x 2.95″ x 2.35″, optimized for machining AR-15 and AR-10 receivers' << mega-l0l
11:55 asciilifeform ~useless for pretty much anything else...
11:56 mircea_popescu so if i'm going to make like... three ? receivers, why buy this cuisinart for 1500 when i could just buy 3 guns and a six ounce bag from tyrone ?
11:56 asciilifeform recall, it cannot even make ONE from billet
11:56 asciilifeform you still have to order the 'eightypercent' from some vendor
11:56 asciilifeform and get on THAT list also.
11:56 mircea_popescu can you even get what you call "billet", but really is special alloy for rifle parts ?
11:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ar(m16) 'receiver' is not a pressurized part, it just holds the mag and the trigger clockwork
11:57 asciilifeform folks have made them from wood, etc.
11:57 asciilifeform the traditional item is made of ordinary aluminum.
11:57 mircea_popescu yes, sure. if i was selling a rifle, and it had a wooden reciever, would you buy it ?
11:57 mircea_popescu how about house with cardboard roof ?
11:58 asciilifeform not unless there were no proper ones to be had.
11:58 mircea_popescu how about wife, slightly used, slightly overweight ?
11:58 mircea_popescu exactly.
11:58 jurov you can't cast the 80% there receiver yourself?
11:58 mircea_popescu so i should pay 1500 in new capital outlay to produce replacements for... roadkill ?!
11:58 asciilifeform jurov: can't cast the thread
11:58 asciilifeform jurov: the thing starts life as a casting, yes, though.
11:58 mircea_popescu jurov from aluminum ?! with what, a 300 amp house wiring arrangement ?
11:58 jurov oh it can't machine the thread?
11:58 asciilifeform jurov: nope.
11:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: folks cast aluminum in jungle conditions all the time, it is not so hard.
11:59 asciilifeform easier, really, than the machining.
11:59 jurov mircea_popescu prolly confused casting and smelting
12:00 mircea_popescu well i was going a little further up the tree.
12:00 asciilifeform e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHD10DjxM1g
12:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes but it'll get bubbly.
12:00 mircea_popescu what's aluminium, like silver et all, < 1k ?
12:01 mircea_popescu melting temperature i mean
12:01 asciilifeform ~700c
12:01 mircea_popescu 660 yeah
12:02 mircea_popescu o check it out, tor finally going to meet ripple in that happy space over the horizon ?
12:02 mircea_popescu good fucking riddance.
12:03 asciilifeform lel if only
12:03 mircea_popescu "Tonga will be permanently shut down and all associated crytographic keys destroyed on 2016-08-31. This should give the Tor developers ample time to stand up a substitute. I will terminate the chron job we set up so many years ago at that time that copies over the descriptors." << if there were a bitbet i'd put a little on "there will not be a replacement in time"
12:03 asciilifeform one particular monkey got tired and handed off the master index box to other
12:04 * asciilifeform has long wondered: whether tmsr will have a new bitbet
12:05 asciilifeform it was a handy thing
12:05 mats on the subject, anyone for some ad hoc btcusd options?
12:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, officially-in-universe, all sorts of things happening for ripple also. to quote, "FXCH Ltd. clears first Blockchain-settled institutional Spot-FX trades", "Ripple named one of top 5 fintechs by Fortune Mazagine" etc etc.
12:06 mircea_popescu mats what'd you use as a price signal ?
12:06 mats bitstamp :(
12:06 mircea_popescu mno.
12:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it will be an interesting anal piercing moment for the tor aficionados - EVERYBODY gets to 'upgrade'
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12:07 asciilifeform (the directory server is hardcoded in, iirc)
12:07 mircea_popescu aww.
12:07 asciilifeform this includes the exit operators.
12:07 jurov mats: you want just speculation or delivery?
12:07 mircea_popescu good thing you can't use timings and other side channels to unmaks them when such a thing happens.
12:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'unmask', turns out, isn't nearly 'user-friendly' enough for nsa, they would also like arbitrary ram r/w into the chumpers
12:08 asciilifeform ergo 'upgrade!1111 nao!11'
12:08 mircea_popescu heh
12:09 mircea_popescu so is anyone going to actually bother a) factoring the ssh keys found weak ; b) go own the machines, copy over their ssh agent ; c) hack it apart see wtf caused the collisions ?
12:09 asciilifeform we had this thread: unmasking is only effective when there IS somebody interesting to unmask. at other times, you gotta emplace that cocaine into the toilet tank.
12:09 mircea_popescu you can be on the same list and don't even have to spend 1500 dubaloos.
12:09 mats jurov: speculation
12:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty clear to the naked eye. dsl modem.
12:10 mircea_popescu how did it manage to collide ?
12:10 asciilifeform factory-baked ssh key
12:10 asciilifeform these turn up regularly.
12:10 mircea_popescu but it's not the same key.
12:10 mircea_popescu if it's factory baked, how come the collisions only happen in C blocks ?
12:11 asciilifeform $s 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949
12:11 a111 4 results for "100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949
12:11 mircea_popescu o wait it's the same factor actually innit.
12:11 mircea_popescu no it's not.
12:11 mircea_popescu look here :
12:11 asciilifeform i see it
12:12 mircea_popescu 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 177.234.13.241 ; 177.234.15.27 ;
12:12 mircea_popescu 3717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 189.203.181.149 ; 189.203.72.147
12:13 mircea_popescu 10783613970442413934143578906158089830375140508817221044708965087575877867311152108386754333184784039689570945854780881166021712179361227812154341718049279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 74.45.228.97 ; 74.45.229.217
12:13 mircea_popescu so we have THREE pairs, all on the same /18, and with different large factors.
12:14 asciilifeform almost as interesting is the number of boxes with DUPLICATE keys
12:14 mircea_popescu this seems to me not a case of "key baked in dsl modem" ; but a case of "someone is running software which can be made to create deliberately weak keys in certain deployment contexts"
12:15 mircea_popescu i would say as a matter of policy we should immediately hijack, copy and completely wipe these boxes.
12:16 jurov you need to mitm someone logging in, no?
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12:16 jurov and i have nfi how to mitm some box in mexico
12:17 mircea_popescu myeah.
12:17 asciilifeform $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/dupes | grep -c -i "framedragger"
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12:17 asciilifeform 200981
12:17 asciilifeform ^ holy shit ^
12:17 mircea_popescu heh.
12:18 asciilifeform i slept through this.
12:18 mircea_popescu wtf is this anyway, people decide to use a single key on all their boxes ?
12:18 asciilifeform 'decide'
12:18 asciilifeform 'their boxes'
12:18 mircea_popescu heh.
12:18 mircea_popescu i'm guessing phuctor is right on schedule : just about time for yet another paper, a month after the prev a month after the prev etc.
12:18 mircea_popescu plox to write it, i'm not gonna.
12:18 asciilifeform thing hasn't even eaten first parcel of the sshkeyz
12:18 mircea_popescu nuts.
12:19 asciilifeform 683600/815805
12:19 mircea_popescu let's give Framedragger a courtesy ping seeing how it's all his data.
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12:19 mats how many ssh keys in phuctor now?
12:19 mircea_popescu 638k
12:19 mircea_popescu 683k*
12:19 asciilifeform phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats
12:19 asciilifeform and yes
12:19 mats that includes unprocessed?
12:20 asciilifeform mats: every single thing gets processed every 4h
12:20 mircea_popescu no, about 10mn ssh keys, total
12:20 asciilifeform again, and again
12:20 mats ok
12:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored << gotta do something about that page.
12:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what, specifically
12:21 asciilifeform i kept it a 1pager so i can grep
12:21 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BAE60DEFC1A4CF00D95455C8C27D08F0B7F770A80EBB11FAAD24306BAAB8DB7 << check it out.
12:22 asciilifeform or, worse still, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FFE44716565274B160E764BAF3DAB84843CF87F35D08FF722A9CA560B547E607
12:22 asciilifeform (the dupes page is a rogue's gallery of these.)
12:22 mircea_popescu it's a 550kb page!
12:22 mircea_popescu miles long.
12:22 asciilifeform my current hypothesis is that enemy was a little more clever than reported by the bocks, and divided dupe keys into equivalence classes
12:23 mircea_popescu if you want a csv version, why not make that. if you're making a html version, should have pages.
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12:23 mircea_popescu this "middle of the road" thing is bad for both usecases : when you grep it you waste bw on html crud ; meanwhile browsing luser is stuck.
12:24 asciilifeform it is painful but: i kept the proggy short, and it is - afaik - bug-free.
12:24 asciilifeform as soon as i add this'n'that, it will turn into whorepress.
12:24 mircea_popescu don't worry, sucking cock doesn't make you a whore!
12:25 asciilifeform at some point i will add paged-by-default and 'view-all' link for grep
12:25 asciilifeform but doing just about anything to this beast is a misery bordering on self-appendectomy
12:26 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F2723B28577B087DB5E15C378870963A69E67E5BFD9A06EA88E7D8ABF4F5E29C << nuttery.
12:27 mircea_popescu aite!
12:27 mircea_popescu why misery tho ? you wrote it neh ?
12:27 asciilifeform i should like to hear the 'innocent', boeckian explanation for the tall piles of dupolade.
12:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wwwtronics is a misery.
12:28 mircea_popescu dude dat link....
12:28 mircea_popescu wtf is this.
12:28 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C4F4981D4A37A5C961765FAB5CF1F30774125DEF35E37AA648EC5B015A4F094 << have another.
12:28 asciilifeform tall piles of dupe keys.
12:28 mircea_popescu 60+ instances of different ips using same key ?
12:28 asciilifeform typically from a single /16.
12:29 asciilifeform aha.
12:29 mircea_popescu this must be some sort of gateway arrangement.
12:29 mircea_popescu alternatively, nobody could foresee the terrorists will use ssh keys as rsa unifying underlying, so they're entirely unprepared for any of this
12:29 mircea_popescu in which case, it definitely should be pushed.
12:29 asciilifeform there isn't much further to push the dupe thing, other than cataloguing the champs
12:29 asciilifeform and printing in moar convenient format
12:30 asciilifeform 'modulus M : 1,001 ips: ...' etc
12:30 mircea_popescu aha.
12:30 mircea_popescu well, at least it offers a hierarchy of "in which order to factor keys"
12:30 mircea_popescu this afaik didn't exist on the open nets afore.
12:31 asciilifeform it is a valid point: there is no physical way to distinguish 'all connected to same box' from 'boxes with dupe key'
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the one important thing you should add is "search by ip"
12:31 asciilifeform could search by generic string, but it'll be slow.
12:32 asciilifeform 'ip' is not a field in my db !!
12:32 asciilifeform we went over this.
12:32 asciilifeform having ANY new fields would make the thing 100x more complex.
12:32 asciilifeform use grep.
12:32 mircea_popescu at the very least you could make another page, "ips by factors found"
12:32 mircea_popescu then people can search in that.
12:32 asciilifeform this, yes.
12:32 mircea_popescu aha.
12:32 asciilifeform it'll be batch-generated.
12:33 asciilifeform so far we have... 8 ?
12:33 asciilifeform $s ssh-rsa key from
12:33 a111 11 results for "ssh-rsa key from", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ssh-rsa%20key%20from
12:34 asciilifeform consider now this case: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1de0673a-143e-4062-b1f0-3d414525f7f9/
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12:34 asciilifeform there are plenty of these.
12:35 asciilifeform does not reflect 'same network' scenario.
12:35 asciilifeform speaking of all of this, did anybody ever crawl the tor exit pubkeys ?
12:40 asciilifeform aaaaaaaaandd....
12:40 asciilifeform we have...
12:40 asciilifeform a winner:
12:40 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/edd4ff91-9ae8-422c-9138-d3d89bee597e
12:40 trinque huh, wotpaste wont resolve over here; I shit thee not
12:40 asciilifeform curl -s http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/edd4ff91-9ae8-422c-9138-d3d89bee597e/?raw=true | grep -c -i "ssh-rsa"
12:40 asciilifeform 162
12:40 asciilifeform instances of same modulus
12:41 asciilifeform ALL OVER the net.
12:41 trinque there it went
12:41 asciilifeform note, all of this is from not even one complete parcel from Framedragger .
12:42 trinque heh, found NSA's "cloud hosting"
12:43 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bba8b759-dc4b-4df6-9085-e49bc2804527 << aaand another.
12:43 asciilifeform who wants more, can dig with own hands, for now.
12:43 asciilifeform there are hundreds of these clusters.
12:46 asciilifeform 'nobody could have predicted!' that this will turn up!
12:49 jurov heh, whois 108.163.248.235 times out
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12:56 asciilifeform curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i "exponent 1 is not prime"
12:56 asciilifeform 10
12:56 asciilifeform TEN!
13:04 jurov http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods causes firefox-47 to spin for several minutes and then render garbage
13:04 asciilifeform 400MB jurov
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13:04 jurov Still. It's just a simple table without js.
13:07 asciilifeform sooooo, at the risk of cluttering l0gz, we have the ten winnerz:
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CA14A17798D7F706E0BD77572FA640F291B511A0ADD2D420B6C1B09D31B31BE
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DECFE58CD976219B387AF29CC2F2B298696C16350D12E824FF717E1B1E907A80
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6B243A14ED577EDF6A06E339742398A60E2795E56A9679E474EA4F56CEE2FCF
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F9E5715A35D36CFAD74E5D259A294DFEF977991D0BEA58C729179642DD9C308E
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A89906DB67B9331B3B10889DF97F72CCF986B351A8E8D3953777EC6C3B06FAE
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2FF671C530DFA823E42782B1C8AF9874CF263653B3517DC3EB4FD602DABBF64
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6F4A716C4514B5E99F16717207BB9FA823A385CEBBAD4D00D242D9C566D522
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EA5B03B4FD8AC88BD9D59C9389EA8E678620391CC5366E3D99417383F77609D
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F84EBD729CF6AFCFAE6C26A422025F4BA4279B0C4D92251C6D49F147545AA056
13:07 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/69420B90B8B1C02C8C0E3F9F591801396FE97A6C87714A63D64C25EA47B5B88E
13:07 asciilifeform to date ^ exp=1 ^
13:08 asciilifeform i'd love to learn what these folks had in common, other than the obvious misfortune.
13:09 jurov and it's questionable why export it as html, when browser can't be used and we have to grep it anyway?
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13:09 asciilifeform jurov: because there is one proggy.
13:10 asciilifeform is this so hard to grasp.
13:10 asciilifeform there are not TWO
13:10 asciilifeform same garden hose, for cake batter and for kerosene, i dun have a second.
13:11 jurov :)
13:12 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/69420B90B8B1C02C8C0E3F9F591801396FE97A6C87714A63D64C25EA47B5B88E << this last one is interesting. 'usaa' is a bank.
13:13 asciilifeform the others are ~all~ 1024-bit ancient keyz.
13:21 asciilifeform some moar lulz,
13:21 asciilifeform grep -i "not prime" [sadmods] | sort | uniq > sads
13:21 asciilifeform ^^^^ http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/78112214-f938-42e4-b55a-451d46cba369
13:23 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504774 << ftr, there's a consensus mechanism, so it's not "everything works or everything's broken"
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13:23 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 16:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it will be an interesting anal piercing moment for the tor aficionados - EVERYBODY gets to 'upgrade'
13:23 Framedragger but, yeah, hardcoded, yew
13:29 Framedragger hmm (reading backlog on ip address correlations) "this should be plotted". interesting
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13:30 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504823 << *evil laugh from castle*
13:30 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 16:19 mircea_popescu: let's give Framedragger a courtesy ping seeing how it's all his data.
13:32 Framedragger asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey i may be up for setting up some kind of searchable thing with everything dumped into postgres. not sure how much worth vs. time, but could be useful as these stats grow
13:33 Framedragger also remember http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502578
13:33 a111 Logged on 2016-07-13 18:26 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i have moar ssh keys for ya: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_diff_2016-07-13.tar (diff from that 10M bunch, i.e. only new ones) 920M file, 1.82M new ssh keys.
13:33 asciilifeform oh ya
13:33 Framedragger 'cause you know it's not enough :D
13:34 Framedragger shasum at http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
13:36 asciilifeform ty Framedragger .
13:38 asciilifeform Framedragger: do you still have the raw mods somewhere ?
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13:38 asciilifeform it would not take long to snarf them up and 2d plot by ip
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13:39 asciilifeform (a mod with 2 or more ips gets a colour; plot each ip on the traditional 2d grid, and connect with line of that colour.)
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13:40 asciilifeform you do not need any of the phuctor logic for this
13:40 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504911 << lord have mercy
13:40 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:04 asciilifeform: 400MB jurov
13:40 Framedragger we need teh api
13:40 asciilifeform Framedragger: not only would an api take up more complexity than phuctor at present in its entirety, but the thing barely keeps up as it is.
13:41 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504950 << you mean mods in the e,N,IP format? yes and they should be on the web, one sec
13:41 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:38 asciilifeform: Framedragger: do you still have the raw mods somewhere ?
13:41 Framedragger asciilifeform: i implied that i'd be interested to maybe write an api; if everything's in postgres properly indexed, should be fine. hey i'm a masochist, all the better for tmsr!!1
13:42 Framedragger (i mean i'd mirror the thing, or something)
13:42 Framedragger so your original wwwtronic thing would be preserved; i understand and appreciate its elegance
13:42 asciilifeform i dun see how it could be mirrored without substantial redesign.
13:42 Framedragger asciilifeform: original 10M e,N,IP: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/e-N-IP_all_2016-06-14.tar.bz2
13:43 Framedragger and e,N,IP for the additional 1.82M key ball is in the http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_diff_2016-07-13.tar (file at top, directories under contain the openpgp'd versions). hope this makes sense, it's a bit ad hoc
13:43 asciilifeform neato
13:43 Framedragger thought it may come in handy for da analysis
13:44 Framedragger asciilifeform: yeah i dunno if it can be mirrored. won't rush anyway..
13:44 asciilifeform in principle, anything can be ~anythinged.
13:45 asciilifeform in practice, that thing grinds ~100+ queries / sec. 24/7
13:45 asciilifeform and they aren't consolidatable.
13:45 asciilifeform and it lives on ONE box, not a cluster or wtf.
13:45 asciilifeform and whole thing is a couplaehundredlines.
13:49 Framedragger asciilifeform: well you wouldnt be you if it were otherwise i suppose!
13:49 Framedragger neat as fuck
13:49 asciilifeform phuctor is heavily bound by disk i/o.
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13:50 asciilifeform and there is really no cure for this.
13:50 Framedragger does the box have ssd?
13:50 asciilifeform (if it were a commercial thing, it would probably live on a large farm)
13:50 asciilifeform Framedragger: not iirc.
13:51 asciilifeform it has a tremendous qty of ram, without which whole experiment would be quite impossible
13:51 Framedragger ..cause you need to keep the eight-ball in memory, right?
13:51 asciilifeform actually no
13:52 asciilifeform eightball is an afterthought really
13:52 asciilifeform the remainder-tree (see bernstein's paper)
13:52 asciilifeform box also hosts the only (afaik) 'five nines'-reliable trb node.
13:53 asciilifeform (uses about 3-5% of ram)
13:54 Framedragger (ah, need to read that damn paper finally)
13:54 asciilifeform linked from faq.
13:55 Framedragger yeah it's in my guilty-unread-pdf-pile heh.
13:56 trinque ahem.
13:56 trinque only reliable trb node eh?
13:57 asciilifeform trinque: the only one i know of that runs continuously without blackhole or other hiccup.
13:59 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504926 << in truth, use a sane browser like lynx :)
13:59 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:09 jurov: and it's questionable why export it as html, when browser can't be used and we have to grep it anyway?
13:59 Framedragger works that way
14:01 jurov you actually tried lynx? as we are speaking, it claims to read 30MB, at 340KiB/sec, and the keeps getting down
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14:02 Framedragger some time ago. could have been elinks. and yeah i recall it being slow
14:02 jurov *the speed keeps
14:03 Framedragger bottleneck on phuctor's end
14:03 jurov mnope. it's reading from hdd
14:03 Framedragger ah. should have checked. well damn
14:03 asciilifeform from db jurov
14:03 asciilifeform which is an order of magnitude slower than simply 'from hd'
14:04 Framedragger jurov: oh you mean it as counterargument, it reading from hdd on phuctor. i thought, from local hdd
14:04 Framedragger hm
14:04 jurov sigh, no
14:04 jurov i saved sadmods.html to *my* hdd
14:04 jurov and ran lynx sadmods.html
14:04 asciilifeform at a certain point i'ma have to make it a batch thing
14:05 asciilifeform namely, all of the .html will be generated nightly.
14:05 asciilifeform staticly.
14:05 Framedragger understood. well, so it is. i do recall being able to full text search decently once it loaded. but, okay, browsers suck
14:05 Framedragger asciilifeform: yeah that'd be pretty.. sane
14:06 asciilifeform thing has cache right now but it is good for 10 min. / page.
14:06 jurov if alf did csv, he could just keep appending to the static file
14:06 trinque asciilifeform: RSS too?
14:06 asciilifeform jurov: understand, there has to be a db, because ALL mods get bernsteined against ALL mods AND the 8ball.
14:06 asciilifeform EVERY 4 HRS.
14:07 asciilifeform trinque: sure
14:07 trinque I don't mind either way
14:07 jurov asciilifeform: i did not say you have to abandon db!
14:07 trinque but if that'll be nightly, I expect there'll be big farts of RSS at phuctor-o'clock
14:07 asciilifeform well i ain't appending to anything
14:08 asciilifeform problem is, phuctor unfortunately cannot be made 100% static
14:08 asciilifeform because this would entail a page for EVERY key and fp
14:08 asciilifeform i know of no file system that would not choke.
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14:08 jurov but that does not mean you have to completely regenerate all html from scratch every time
14:08 asciilifeform nor am i interested in waiting for months for the conversion.
14:09 asciilifeform jurov: it does if i want a zero chance of corruption.
14:09 asciilifeform this is the v state thread all over again.
14:09 asciilifeform if you want ZERO corruption, you gotta regen ALL state.
14:09 asciilifeform EVERY time.
14:09 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505027 << well the rfc4880-formatted keys are already in one-file-per-key, in truth
14:09 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 18:08 asciilifeform: i know of no file system that would not choke.
14:09 asciilifeform they are not.
14:09 asciilifeform they live in db.
14:10 asciilifeform in old ver of phuctor they lived on fs;
14:10 Framedragger i meant that i supplied them to you as one key in one file. but yeah kk
14:10 asciilifeform this made backups unmanageably slow.
14:10 * Framedragger bike ride before sunset
14:10 asciilifeform goodnight Framedragger
14:10 Framedragger asciilifeform: fair enough
14:10 Framedragger eh i may be back, shit's too interesting :D
14:11 asciilifeform lolk
14:11 asciilifeform 'moral' of this thread is - phuctor stretches the limits of disk, fs, db, various shoddy duct tape that makes up modern kompyooooting shitsoup
14:13 asciilifeform of cpu also, but the box is well-equipped in that respect
14:13 asciilifeform (16 cpu)
14:13 asciilifeform bernstein's also is, what was once called 'embarrassingly parallel'
14:14 asciilifeform *algo is
14:15 trinque http://serverfault.com/questions/6711/filesystem-for-millions-of-small-files/732832#732832 << cracks me up
14:15 trinque "If you don't care about write integrity, it's great."
14:15 asciilifeform afaik reiser is the champ.
14:15 asciilifeform still.
14:15 trinque yep
14:16 trinque I was sharing the lulz; db makes sense
14:16 asciilifeform it is also miserably slow and sequentially-blocking.
14:18 asciilifeform i'll admit that i've wondered for a while, what the ft meade version of phuctor looks like.
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14:19 asciilifeform probably custom db, clusterized, etc.
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14:20 asciilifeform with whole galley of interns to massage it.
14:21 asciilifeform consider, rsa keys vacuumed up worldwide since... first clinton term
~ 23 minutes ~
14:44 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505059 << are you using postgres? if so, advice from someone who has run a (hopefully) decent www+db thing with > 100 GiB of data in postgres: follow https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server or equivalent for your db (but i'll swear behind postgres any day). this is normal practice, mind you, not "hax0ring for nosql immigrants"
14:44 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 18:19 asciilifeform: probably custom db, clusterized, etc.
14:44 asciilifeform Framedragger: it is reasonably tuned.
14:44 Framedragger asciilifeform: postgres defaults are fucking stupid. `shared_buffers`, an important thing when doing sorting, is 32 MiB at default
14:44 Framedragger asciilifeform: ah ok
14:45 asciilifeform and atm nothing is sorted.
14:45 asciilifeform (other than rss)
14:45 Framedragger okay, but there are other things; but if it's tuned then fair enough
14:47 Framedragger effective_cache_size e.g. could be set to 75% of total system memory. otherwise - don't want to presume - but it may end up paging the fuck out out of the disk. or other things..
14:47 asciilifeform i need the memory for the gcd.
14:48 Framedragger ah it's a separate thing, right right. sorry i'm rambling without knowing / forgetting internals
14:48 asciilifeform aha separate proggy.
14:48 asciilifeform in straight c.
14:48 Framedragger asciilifeform: just curious, is all that beefy server memory actually being used? by either djb gcd or db?
14:48 asciilifeform during a run - most of it.
14:49 Framedragger cool stuff
14:53 Framedragger (hm, i'll go thru the ip clustering discussion again tomorrow or thereabouts, interesting stuff and interesting speculation how this came to be. need to find time to do some actual anal-sis and graphing....)
14:54 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504806 << unless someone here has access to some important backbone nodez.. :/
14:54 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 16:16 jurov: you need to mitm someone logging in, no?
14:56 Framedragger logging in and resetting boxes via cracked *client* ssh keys could be a thing, though! keys are already retrieved i take it :) http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485892
14:56 a111 Logged on 2016-06-20 20:38 mircea_popescu: recall, jurov parsed all of github, produced a pile of keys and the convertor code
14:58 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504809 << just fyi the new 1.82M ssh key diff won't have that keyword in there, as i've shortened the comment string, as per various grumblings re this.
14:58 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 16:17 asciilifeform: $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/dupes | grep -c -i "framedragger"
14:58 Framedragger example: 84.177.114.79 (ssh-rsa key from 84.177.114.79 (12 July 2016 extraction)) <sshscan-queries+84.177.114.79@mkj.lt>
15:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504886 << Known Shared Factors: 1, Self (Ok, for now!). so it's just the same key seen from multiple internet-facing machines.
15:13 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 16:34 asciilifeform: consider now this case: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1de0673a-143e-4062-b1f0-3d414525f7f9/
15:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: buncha machines, NOT on same subnet.
15:13 asciilifeform and more of these, later, in l0gz.
15:14 mircea_popescu myeah.
15:14 mircea_popescu possibly found something like a nsa something or the other, a botnet / spamnet etc.
15:14 asciilifeform a whole gallery of same.
15:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504906 << i see http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/154d6211-de43-4d97-bc53-8eef366b1d5c/
15:15 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 16:49 jurov: heh, whois 108.163.248.235 times out
15:16 jurov yep, now it works
15:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504926 << see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504843
15:17 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 16:23 mircea_popescu: if you want a csv version, why not make that. if you're making a html version, should have pages.
15:17 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:09 jurov: and it's questionable why export it as html, when browser can't be used and we have to grep it anyway?
15:18 jurov mircea_popescu: see later in the log, apparently appended csv would enable corruption O.o
15:19 mircea_popescu i'm thinking the way this will end up is to separate the data processing ; data acquisition ; and data dissemination. evidently people good at any of these aren't good at the others, and have incredibly elaborate excuses for maintaining the situation that likely aren't worth cutting through.
15:19 mircea_popescu sort-of what's been happening with the wot, for instance, anyway.
15:20 mircea_popescu i guess some work poured into a semblance of unified dissemination interface is unavoidable, hence the shinohai wp project.
15:21 asciilifeform processing and dissemination are not always separable.
15:21 asciilifeform i would say that in the case of phuctor, they are not.
15:21 mircea_popescu well the alternative is me flying over to washington with a rubber hose and pounding you into loving www.
15:21 mircea_popescu anyway. why would you say they are not ?
15:22 asciilifeform for instance, one of my 'wish list' features is to have separate exhibits for different kinds of braindamage - mirror, nonprime e, etc
15:23 asciilifeform and to have the ability to introduce new ones quickly.
15:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504937 << in practice a "consensus mechanism" as seen to work among angloderps guarantees everything's broken all the time, but they don't feel too bad about it.
15:23 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:23 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504774 << ftr, there's a consensus mechanism, so it's not "everything works or everything's broken"
15:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so ? you push out csv's ; someone displays them.
15:24 asciilifeform GB-sized csv ?
15:24 mircea_popescu yes.
15:24 asciilifeform so we lose the realtime display.
15:24 mircea_popescu trilema serves many many terrabites each month. what's a gigabyte.
15:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm sorry, were you saying "i am a flaming retard right now, so what i'm proposing is moving gb of crud around for no other purpose than to communicate a kb of information" ? i interpreted it to mean "what if i actually have 1 gb of information, can i pass that ?"
15:26 asciilifeform i dun like state.
15:27 mircea_popescu at some point you will have to like something ; lest something decides to like you.
15:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al are invited to make an actual list of urgent missing knobs
15:28 mircea_popescu anyway ; the borders are fluid, the "data dissemination" part can just live as a "this is the official tmsr web package ; install it like so ; it's maintained by these people ; it does these things we want exactly right and no more"
15:28 BingoBoingo Doesn't like vermin, also doesn't like organo phosphates. Dilemmas.
15:28 mircea_popescu it doesn't automatically have to be "send your data to X guy who runs the official data-dump server"
15:29 mircea_popescu for instance, it'd evident we want : a) csv, for to grep ; b) tmsr-html, which is NOT html, and not just because it does not allow js ; c) tmsr-svg, which i'm going to pretend is svg, because gnarly. somewhere inbetween b and c a latex fits in as previously discussed in logs.
15:29 asciilifeform the ~sane way to do wwwtronics would be a thing that would, when given a db made with particular constraints, cleanly present it wwwtronically.
15:29 mircea_popescu there's prolly room for rss or somesuch also.
15:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly.
15:30 asciilifeform without my or anybody else having to sit there and write a table shitter
15:30 asciilifeform for some reason we went for 25 years and no such thing ever appeared...
15:30 mircea_popescu this only partially solves the www problem though. servers have to be lovingly helped to stay up over ddos etc crapolade ; why the fuck does apache not work properly etc etc. but these we can abstract for now i hope.
15:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "we". some idiots went , weren't us and it shows.
15:31 asciilifeform so far every rock i turn over has 10,000,001 worms under it.
15:31 asciilifeform i doubt that apache will fare any differently.
15:31 mircea_popescu ya well. anyway, this is kind-of the direction i was dreaming for the wp thing.
15:31 mircea_popescu you know what the name comes from right ?
15:31 mircea_popescu shit's patchy.
15:31 asciilifeform lel
15:33 mircea_popescu anyway. in practice there's also nginx, which i doubt is any better ; and i don't foresee our writing of a web server right nao.
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15:33 asciilifeform it is probably the ~least~ complicated piece, actually.
15:33 asciilifeform www server doesn't do much.
15:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504940 << basically you can start your own nsa on this basis ; prolly get better results by the end of the year than the original.
15:34 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:29 Framedragger: hmm (reading backlog on ip address correlations) "this should be plotted". interesting
15:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you want to write a web server now ?!
15:35 asciilifeform well i've no reasonable os to plant it in, that would justify it
15:35 asciilifeform but i'm not averse to doing the chore when it comes time.
15:36 mircea_popescu myeah. but it's modular anyway, so. until such a time, we just need a hm. either php or lisp i guess. or maybe hammer the extant python-whatcha call it into shape.
15:36 trinque openbsd's httpd doesn't look like that much src to read, while we're still in c-machine hell.
15:37 trinque plenty of lisp tools there too; I've used hunchentoot plenty
15:37 asciilifeform afaik the lisp folks here are all using hunchentoot
15:37 asciilifeform aha
15:37 asciilifeform http://weitz.de/hunchentoot
15:37 trinque the missing tool here sounds like a generic reporting engine that speaks SQL and farts graphs, CSV
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15:37 mircea_popescu certainly less wrong with openbsd than... fucking red hat or w/e.
15:38 mircea_popescu trinque the largest conundrum is the tex and sql end ; but that can also wait.
15:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced of this
15:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've not yet succeeded in setting up a 100% de-drepperized openbsd.
15:38 deedbot [Qntra] EthereumClassic Emerges! - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ethereumclassic-emerges/
15:38 asciilifeform unlike gentoo.
15:38 mircea_popescu if you build alf a web tool that looks and feels like whatever apple doohickey he fell in love with as a kid, he'll love you long time.
15:38 asciilifeform it pulls in the crud and lacks anything like 'USE' flags to kill it
15:38 trinque I have need for the reporting thing myself anyway
15:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly i was thinking just pick one, clean it and repackage it.
15:38 trinque it's generally useful for goddamned every web app that ever webbed
15:39 mircea_popescu trinque you wanna try this wonder ?
15:40 mircea_popescu shit, among all this actual productive work i nearly missed the lulz explosion on qntra.
15:41 trinque yeah I can take a crack at it. sounds like something that has a list of SQL views, list of kinds of output. you pair those up, allow filtering on fields (particularly time)
15:41 mircea_popescu this'd be my thinking ya
15:41 deedbot [Qntra] Arizona Deputies Refused Service By Taco Bell Employee - http://qntra.net/2016/07/arizona-deputies-refused-service-by-taco-bell-employee/
15:42 asciilifeform 'the meaning DAO's contract' --> 'the meaning of DAO's contract' ??
15:42 asciilifeform shinohai ^
15:43 mircea_popescu trinque incidentally, i suspect the entire website model is dumb as presented. currently, under pressure from ustards/business majors/other unwelcome masses, a website is a collection of webpages that is very similar to how a tv show is a collection of tv frames. MAYBE they'll let the user have a tivo, but that's at the most.
15:43 shinohai ty asciilifeform
15:43 mircea_popescu whreas the fucking internet is not made to be a cable tv substitute omfg. website should mean that the user can do a bunch of shit, according to what he may need, some of which not necessarily foreseen by author.
15:43 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> 'the meaning DAO's contract' --> 'the meaning of DAO's contract' ?? << fxd
15:43 mircea_popescu so yes, very much a "view over db" sort of thing.
15:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i will note that this was theoretically the promise of ~every 'framework' ever published, but each and every single one cancerously deviated from it
15:44 trinque mircea_popescu: yep, thing could let trusted folks write queries
15:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no argument.
15:44 mircea_popescu trinque basically, it should be conceptualized not as a "this is a sheet i printed this and that on" but more like "what'd you like in your plate here ?"
15:45 trinque certainly so.
15:45 mircea_popescu which is why trilema, or qntra, have, say, a FUCKING ARCHIVE PAGE
15:45 mircea_popescu but the "media properties", from "one side" to "the other same side" of "the spectrum" ... do not.
15:45 mircea_popescu a tiny example, but indicative of the conceptual difference.
15:45 trinque I confess to having already written parts of the thing.
15:45 mircea_popescu ha!
15:45 trinque :D
15:47 mircea_popescu in short : the web is very, very broken - but most of the breakage isn't even in the software. yes apache sucks and wtf is js even.
15:47 mircea_popescu the big problem is that lazy thinkers and "hopefuls" of all stripes have made it into their comfortable home. this can't fucking stand.
15:47 asciilifeform this is almost the c machine thread again.
15:48 asciilifeform even if you expel the vermin, the medium is still verminiferous.
15:48 asciilifeform browser is profoundly brain-damaged by design.
15:48 trinque it can be used as no more sophisticated a thing than a cmdline tool that shits text
15:48 trinque *the output thereof
15:48 asciilifeform trinque: which it ?
15:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform once there exist as many as five proper pages, you can have a proper browser.
15:49 mircea_popescu trinque i was more thinking lynx but yea
15:49 trinque lynx shall work
15:49 asciilifeform anyone ever tempted to revive gopher ?
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15:50 mircea_popescu notrly.
15:50 mircea_popescu imo gopher sucked.
15:50 asciilifeform in some ways it was closer to the hypothetical item in this thread than any variant of www.
15:50 trinque in either case, the thing can be written such that www is not a large part of what it is
15:51 mircea_popescu and a goat is closer to a young woman than any old whore - it's tighter down there.
15:51 trinque relatedly I'm about to drop a vpatch for cmdbot
15:51 trinque which is the core of deedbot
15:51 mircea_popescu win.
15:51 trinque thing's written such that it would hop atop gossipd and provide commands just as easily
15:51 mircea_popescu splendid.
15:52 trinque one part eats IRC and writes to postgresql, sends pg_notify to connected db clients that there are new rows; another listens for new rows in an outbox table to write to the chan
15:52 trinque services attach to db
15:52 mircea_popescu going back to history for a minute here - at first there was the text internet ; and then as bw and hdds grew up and people could have gifs of samatha fox's snatch rather than ascii art of same, they all rushed to... basically, this shitfest of netscape, internet exploder etc.
15:53 mircea_popescu time to take that shit back, just because "it has images" is no excuse for the existence of say firefox.
15:53 mircea_popescu or outright atrocities like chrome.
15:53 mircea_popescu trinque what is this, python ?
15:53 trinque common lisp
15:54 mircea_popescu ah
15:54 mircea_popescu i didn't realise lisp is practically useful.
15:55 mircea_popescu and in other "hope for the hopefuls" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/56c2e25b663d2159e09edaadb9191b8e/tumblr_nb24e741rw1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg
15:55 trinque cmdbot is 232 lines of the stuff, can ghost nick, reconnect properly
15:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504976 << you know i can prolly arrange something for this... what part of i/o ? seeking or what ?
15:56 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:49 asciilifeform: phuctor is heavily bound by disk i/o.
15:56 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505151 << possibly this can be hacked up by putting data into postgres, and then allowing read-only sql access via one of them web-access-to-your-db things.
15:56 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 19:37 trinque: the missing tool here sounds like a generic reporting engine that speaks SQL and farts graphs, CSV
15:56 Framedragger but i, too, am interested in taking a stab at a sane implementation, fwiw!
15:57 Framedragger mircea_popescu: ssd would help much on that machine i'd suspect, if it's really i/o bound, as simplistic as it sounds
15:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seeking. but really i'd rather optimize the proggy than add to the (already gigantic) recurring cost.
15:57 asciilifeform my best thought so far is the nightly static html thing.
15:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in principle i could get a bank of 4 ssd's in a raid which should make it faster-than-ram
15:58 asciilifeform the more i think about it, the more the static thing seems like the correct pill.
15:58 Framedragger won't be fast than ram, what are you smoking :)
15:58 mircea_popescu anyway, if you make a proper profiling sometime we can go through it and see. but, you're right wrt squeezing the software first if it can be squeezed.
15:59 mircea_popescu Framedragger i'm smoking drives :D
15:59 Framedragger then.. plz continue :D
16:00 Framedragger re sane web, there were semi-decent attempts which have made use of. for example, declare db model in python file, make $framework produce a working api over that model, incl implementing all the http methods corresponding to operations (GET, POST, PUT, DELETE)
16:01 mircea_popescu Framedragger for the sake of argument : ddr3 does say 2k cycles and latency is about 10 ; proper ssd does what, 100k iops on a 4k block ?
16:01 Framedragger dunno but numbers make sense to me
16:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~1 order of magnitude diff.
16:01 trinque Framedragger: those completely suck.
16:01 trinque the structure is already in the database catalog
16:02 trinque why duplicate it
16:02 asciilifeform ^
16:02 Framedragger trinque: well.. eventually they do once you stretch them
16:02 mircea_popescu so then your ram can do 200 iops and a quad ssd raid can do about 300k. ie, 10^3 moar :D
16:02 Framedragger ... "something is not right"
16:02 mircea_popescu {:=)))
16:03 Framedragger trinque: you can *declare* your catalog in said py file, and make $framework build db for you; etc.; but sure, it's still shitty
16:03 trinque so then why do it?
16:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what you hang off pci, there is a ~10x variance of front-side vs back-side bus
16:03 Framedragger trinque: saves lots of time, for one, and quite a bit of redundancy. don't need to manually implement api endpoints etc
16:04 shinohai http://archive.is/62oC4 <<< tor replacement supposedly being researched by, ait for it, MIT!
16:04 asciilifeform Framedragger: this may very well turn out to be an ai-complete program, because most gigantic db have various optimizations for speed, that do not map in a straightforward way to display.
16:04 trinque the right way to build this is to have a table which points to a view name, an output type, some field mappings from the outputs of the view to the parameters of the output type
16:04 trinque wtf is complicated about that
16:04 trinque AI my foot
16:05 asciilifeform i was specifically speaking of schema design.
16:05 trinque you write a view and plug it into one of a few data shitters
16:05 asciilifeform now this, yes.
16:05 * Framedragger hoodwinked by mp's cycles vs iops
16:06 mircea_popescu shinohai mitrosoft.
16:06 mircea_popescu for spanish speakers the difference is negligible.
16:06 Framedragger asciilifeform: true that
16:06 trinque Framedragger: django et al are enemies of the republic
16:06 asciilifeform 'MIT researchers devise a secure anonymity network that’s 10x faster than Tor' << FASTER!11111 so that you can broadcast your keystroke timings!!
16:06 shinohai I love how hispanics here say "Meeeeecrosoft"
16:06 asciilifeform (per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504493 )
16:06 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 00:29 asciilifeform: it is known to me, for instance, that usg is presently spending stupendous sums on 'biometric' profiling of typing pattern, for as many victims as possible.
16:06 Framedragger trinque: so many enemies.. flask, too?
16:06 mircea_popescu no iirc they used flask.
16:07 trinque Framedragger: no harm in duplicating effort if it's instructive; go head
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16:07 Framedragger wait, who did? confused
16:07 Framedragger mircea_popescu: ^
16:07 mircea_popescu wasn't phuctor display flask based ?
16:07 mircea_popescu $s flask
16:07 a111 29 results for "flask", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flask
16:08 trinque every $framework poorly duplicates information and functionality already in a proper db
16:08 Framedragger mircea_popescu: ah! flask is useful and quick to prototype on, fwiw
16:09 Framedragger trinque: no but i agree and won't argue the opposite!
16:09 asciilifeform aha, i used it
16:09 trinque poor ben_vulpes is gonna be in for a triggering when he catches up on logs
16:10 asciilifeform was sorta stuck with it, because the rfc4880 parser was a python lib, and i did not have time to write one from scratch.
16:10 asciilifeform so it pulled in the whole shebang.
16:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504997 << lulzy, this.
16:10 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 18:01 jurov: you actually tried lynx? as we are speaking, it claims to read 30MB, at 340KiB/sec, and the keeps getting down
16:13 shinohai "TheDAO and HF have already led to a lot of learning, bug fixes, additional research and development of contracts and platform, consensus building, and user education. So the Ethereum platform is already more valuable than before."
16:13 shinohai The logic of these folks.
16:13 mircea_popescu ahaha are these the slock.it imbeciles still trying to dodge the obvious "we suck, and we lied about it, and it blew up in our face, and we destroyed your trust and we will now go die quietly" ?
16:14 mircea_popescu the one thing a true blue american really abhors is any form of responsibility.
16:14 shinohai It is title of top rated post on r/ethereum atm: http://archive.is/uWjtJ
16:15 shinohai It's like a colossal shit that won't flush.
16:16 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-24#1250825
16:16 a111 Logged on 2015-08-24 21:16 asciilifeform: nor my toilet can accomodate 10,000 shits per day
16:16 mircea_popescu well in fairness - it did flush, which is how it ended up on reddit. you're the one gone plumbing.
16:17 trinque the things my mind indexes
16:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505058 << http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#923781
16:18 a111 Logged on 2014-11-15 15:55 pete_dushenski: "the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country"
16:18 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 18:18 asciilifeform: i'll admit that i've wondered for a while, what the ft meade version of phuctor looks like.
16:20 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505197 << (i was prolly too young to ever properly try it in the wild but fwiw it rang a bell to me multiple times when looking at tmsr discussions, yeah. not that it's time to revive it or anything i guess)
16:20 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 19:49 asciilifeform: anyone ever tempted to revive gopher ?
16:21 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#923781 << dafuq
16:21 a111 Logged on 2014-11-15 15:55 pete_dushenski: "the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country"
16:21 mircea_popescu chet self-diagnosed her rare eyesight condition over gopher at a time medical science was done off paper
16:22 Framedragger not bad at all.
16:23 mircea_popescu mid 90s, the web was a different place then.
16:24 mircea_popescu anyway, iirc it got killed by some derpy university trying to charge people ?
16:24 Framedragger so i hear, hm. including bulletin boards full of phreakers from australia and all that, i suppose
16:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if that were enough, gif would have died
16:24 asciilifeform it was really killed by 'i want graphical snatch'
16:24 mircea_popescu it did die, hence jpg
16:25 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505268 << realistically i'll prolly end up waiting to see what you come up with, to steal good ideas off of you :) ; meanwhile i'll be scripting something more generic, vaporware-y, and less productive (something something federated e2e encrypted forum thing)
16:25 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 20:07 trinque: Framedragger: no harm in duplicating effort if it's instructive; go head
16:25 mircea_popescu you could see images via gopher ; i have.
16:25 asciilifeform iirc not inline with text?
16:25 mircea_popescu half the medical papers consisted of scans of photos.
16:25 mircea_popescu no, separate document.
16:25 asciilifeform so then.
16:25 Framedragger mircea_popescu: university trying to charge people? interesting.
16:25 mircea_popescu who jacks off to tits INLINE WITH TEXT ?!?!
16:25 Framedragger heh.
16:25 mircea_popescu afaik trilema is the ONLY place in the history of englush text that does this.
16:26 trinque Framedragger: sounds like you're headed for a cool billion in vc
16:26 Framedragger i'll be sure to use mongodb, at scale
16:27 Framedragger mircea_popescu: maybe only place having pr0n pics intermixed with latin and greek, say; which is something
16:27 mircea_popescu anyway, one good thing gopher had that's still sorely missed was, you'd query someone's org and get their email.
16:27 mircea_popescu this at a time email was a very different beast also.
16:28 Framedragger yeah i have this stupid nostalgia for things of that kind even though i haven't experienced them myself >.<
16:29 mircea_popescu anyway ; it's not a case of "omg gopher was so great". to get an idea, think "navigate web through excel spreadsheet"
16:29 asciilifeform it was almost a glorified ftp.
16:29 mircea_popescu it was fundamentally flawed, among other things, by a structure externality.
16:29 asciilifeform the reason to remember it is - to recall that html-style 'payload can be anything and arbitrarily grungy' retardation is not the only way.
16:30 mircea_popescu (ie, it relied on you having a mental map of structure which it wouldn't render, or not render well. without it, it was unusable, which is why the illiterate couldn't use it well, didn't like to use it at all, and the "free form" html prevailed)
16:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is the only way if you're going to have people with 0 in common use your thing.
16:30 Framedragger asciilifeform: so as an example of "given [directory/file] structure, allow sane access"
16:39 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504951 + http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504952 << ah missed this in logs on first read. for the 2d plot, did you mean ip against moduli for the axes?
16:39 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:39 asciilifeform: (a mod with 2 or more ips gets a colour; plot each ip on the traditional 2d grid, and connect with line of that colour.)
16:39 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 17:38 asciilifeform: it would not take long to snarf them up and 2d plot by ip
16:40 asciilifeform no.
16:40 asciilifeform i meant this kind,
16:40 asciilifeform https://ant.isi.edu/address/it.37.all.16-subnet_stats.3px-per-point.annotated.png
16:40 Framedragger ah, hilbert curve
16:40 asciilifeform every modulus that turns up at more than 1 addr, gets a colour (which colour? use 4colourmaptheorem)
16:40 Framedragger (i mean that's what it is right?)
16:40 asciilifeform the rest, described earlier.
16:41 Framedragger asciilifeform: aha! hey might as well start with this, sounds good - thanks for the idea
16:42 Framedragger asciilifeform: "connect with line" you meant actually drawing lines to show clusters, right? sorry for slowness - off to bed soon
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17:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505343 << aha.
17:14 a111 Logged on 2016-07-18 20:42 Framedragger: asciilifeform: "connect with line" you meant actually drawing lines to show clusters, right? sorry for slowness - off to bed soon
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17:35 Framedragger asciilifeform: ty, cheers
17:35 Framedragger jurov: elinks loads it fine on ssd but search doesn't work (~works, but notrly). i think i used lynx when looking up stuff on phuctor tho. oh well. :/
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18:36 shinohai http://archive.is/RiRfl "We still reserve the right to act against the voting result in case there are security issues identified in the hard fork code or the pool will end up on the non-winning chain".
18:41 mircea_popescu "your buttons are not connected to anything in particular - please push them at will!"
18:53 mircea_popescu and in other homemade spaceship news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/b98c7d3b963b8365c786c382be4f6b25/tumblr_nlmu53Wilr1u25ct8o2_1280.jpg
19:00 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://cryptome.org/2016/07/cloudflare-de-anons-tor.htm
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19:45 mircea_popescu actually, nsa is that incompetent, but that's besides the point.
19:46 mircea_popescu the psychopathology around "anonymity" is kinda facinating to watch.
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20:24 mod6 <+shinohai> It's like a colossal shit that won't flush. << haha
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