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00:00 BingoBoingo Nah, if there is only one it is this treatise on money http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao
00:04 Joshua-I Now the last mystery to uncover is the use of comic sans
00:04 Joshua-I What could it possibly mean?
00:06 asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2016/07/days-of-rain-set-corn-crop-up-for-strong-finish/#comment-63371 << lelz
00:09 trinque holy shit, his name is Trendy
00:14 trinque ah. that's supposedly Pirateat40
00:16 mod6 sniper fire in dallas
00:16 trinque gf was saying some cops got shot?
00:17 mod6 im hearing 11 shot, 4 dead.
00:17 mod6 atm
00:17 trinque http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protests-in-Dallas-Over-Alton-Sterling-Death-385784431.html
00:17 trinque yep
00:18 asciilifeform mod6: obligatory, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1483090
00:18 a111 Logged on 2016-06-15 20:49 asciilifeform: no word re the american snipers in bucharest '89, or moscow '93, or venezuela '02, ...., ...
00:20 asciilifeform monkeys dun snipe.
00:21 trinque hey, maybe they're gonna have a revival of allah snackbar, #blacklivesmatter edition
00:23 trinque http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/dallas-protest-shooting/490451/ << reporting that the suspects have threatened a bombing
00:25 trinque https://twitter.com/FOX4/status/751236933125156864/video/1
00:25 asciilifeform likewise oblig: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-02#1259456
00:25 a111 Logged on 2015-09-02 04:15 asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.
00:26 trinque seems moar like useful idiots than conspirators
00:27 trinque we'll see how the number of shooters dwindles though
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00:42 mircea_popescu "Y'all keep mentioning WOT, but do you actually run a keyserver with a published trust graph accessible via any sort of standardized protocol?" << sick burn trinque
00:43 mircea_popescu $gettrust BingoBoingo
00:43 deedbot L1: 4, L2: 39 by 27 connections.
00:45 mircea_popescu "Because I mean WOT is not too revolutionary when it is just another name for a bunch of peoples' non-interoperable personal black books between which information can be exchanged only by explicitly manual means." << da fuck, "your working thing's no good!"
00:45 mircea_popescu seriously, this nonsense is still supposed to work ?
00:45 mircea_popescu what am i going to hear next, that the people of libya want "freedom" ?
00:46 asciilifeform lel, fella wants an 'istrustworthy(x)'
00:47 mircea_popescu seems more like fella wants a "nice fort you boys built, time now for us all to agree house is better" sort of thing.
00:48 mircea_popescu apparently one of the direct, entrenched results of no woman being pimpslapped for talking out of order in anyone's personal memory is a whole lot of those "that's nice dear, now come to bed" sorta vomits.
00:48 asciilifeform yeah but - ~which~, here, bed?
00:48 mircea_popescu he has a list, freenet, whatever.
00:49 asciilifeform afaik long dead
00:49 asciilifeform (and, when alive, java)
00:50 mircea_popescu anyway, i gotta admit the "democracy" drivel is nothing if not incredibly flexible. can be spread on bread as "science not cults!!11", can be spread on bread as "say no to silly (orly?) power games and ~~~sycophancy~~~" because if you call male independence the bad word it'll totally stick, men are really just a bunch of women that deeply care about labels like that. can obviously be spread as "the people of libya want the fr
00:50 mircea_popescu eedom to give us all their shit for free, and romania really didn't need a nuclear activities agency",
00:50 mod6 heh freenet
00:50 mircea_popescu can be cut any way you please.
00:50 mircea_popescu this is the typical characteristic of cults and quacks, of course, but who's to notice THAT.
00:51 mircea_popescu the one universal socket wrench, ointment and single idea anyone could ever need! DEMOCRACY!
00:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you recall the lithuanian butthurt of half a decade or so ago ?
00:54 asciilifeform when joined nato and told that their '13333347' 'werewolf brigades' or wtf nazi claptrap was unneeded and they would be working as nurses strictly in nato army, should there even be any lithuanians left on day 2 of war ?
00:54 asciilifeform this re ro nuclear.
00:56 asciilifeform tiny countries who bend over for nee owner and think that they still get to decide anything, remind me of the familiar 'yappy dogs' old women keep
00:56 asciilifeform *new owner
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01:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this may well work from the "public good" interest, but what exactly does it do for lithuania ?
01:46 mircea_popescu "there can be no such thing as lithuania" "yawell."
01:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499264 << you seen http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ?
01:47 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 03:26 Joshua-I: Art is the most supreme, most divine of instructions
01:54 mircea_popescu and in other "50 years of" news, http://filthygifs.tumblr.com/post/130267399248/ganguponher-ah-yes-dp-the-great-american
01:54 mircea_popescu the ridoinculous half-afro-and-mustache look of the 70s and wtf-is-with-sunglasses-indoors 80s/90s
01:55 mircea_popescu otherwise, lightbulbs were apparently invented sometime in 2010
01:57 Joshua-I I rewatched True Romance the other day (thanks to you) and now I must have those rad sunglasses Clarence wears at some point
01:58 mircea_popescu ie elvis' ?
01:58 Joshua-I Did he actually wear that variant?
01:58 mircea_popescu iirc
01:58 mircea_popescu https://www.amazon.co.uk/Romance-Elvis-Style-Sunglasses-Gradient/dp/B00B1P1WB4 << 19.99
01:59 Joshua-I Amazin'
02:08 Joshua-I I see no mention of ancient art in your post, what's up with that?
02:09 mircea_popescu also re tiny : ro is 15% of ru or somesuch ; ru is 35% or so of eu or somesuch. tiny country is monaco, diff story. otherwise, germany's a third of brazil and saudi arabia a 15% of pakistan naimean ?
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02:09 mircea_popescu Joshua-I nor of modern, for that matter. it's time-invariant, yes ?
02:13 Joshua-I Well I'd say it touches on a few more things than merely being some political indirection
02:14 Joshua-I Those noble types did like to impress each other and feel an exclusivity in their interpretations of art
02:19 Joshua-I They didn't just permit it, but were studied in it, which in the cases of their private residences and gardens suggests the opposite of what you suggest at the end there
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07:14 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/11Cj
07:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~
08:20 mircea_popescu ;;later tell Joshua-I how do you know this ?
08:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:29 thestringpuller How do you turn an advertising business into a ponzi scheme?
08:29 thestringpuller https://forum.bitcoin.com/topic6275.html?sid=e2e55101bd60af0fed7b713bad60910c << quite easily it seems
08:30 shinohai "Spamming blockchains is our bidness!"
08:31 thestringpuller reminds me of cointelegraphs obviously false conversion rate
08:32 BingoBoingo If I'm not mistaken qntra has a small if not entirely different kind of conversion rate
08:34 thestringpuller It had a high click through rate for advertisements
08:34 thestringpuller but no actual conversions
08:34 thestringpuller (iirc from the namworld campaign with coinroll or what not)
08:34 thestringpuller although i think the campaign was yanked prematurely @_@
08:35 mircea_popescu from experience, "hacking" delivers infinitely better results than "advertising". ie you're better off raping the site than paying the site.
08:37 mircea_popescu kinda in line with the diy ethos of the rest of computing. you want to be secure ? you're better off taking out the holes than "hiring a team of experts". whatever you want - take it, don't ask.
08:38 thestringpuller the lets poke wordpress sites until one of them gives and then post a bunch of spam backlinks
08:38 thestringpuller campaign
08:38 mircea_popescu you can ask the ethereum huffers to be fucking sane already until you fall over. but #etherape and a few short weeks later they've all woken up.
08:39 mircea_popescu thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/ << already done
08:39 mircea_popescu trilema has many 1000s of backlinks from derpy wordpressen
08:42 thestringpuller advertising is generally bastardized. analytics and metrics are useful (sometimes). depends on if you care about the market reaction or not.
08:42 mircea_popescu useful in the sense playing candy crush is useful. gives you something to do in the subte.
08:42 thestringpuller given bitcoin is anti-consumer, marketing doesn't have an immediate value because any sane business should not care about what the consumer thinks
08:43 mircea_popescu there is scarce relation between "web metrics and online analytics" and marketing.
08:43 thestringpuller more like useful in the sense of new local restaurant trying to target the most loyal customers
08:44 mircea_popescu ~the same relation as between playing candy crush and cooking.
08:44 thestringpuller "most potential loyal" customer
08:44 mircea_popescu thestringpuller there a) is no such thing as loyal customers and b) no conceivable reason restaurant would care. which is why they don't even bother to keep lists.
08:44 mircea_popescu back in the old country, reservations worked like so : unknown plebe could get "reservation", only valid if none of the important people showed up.
08:45 mircea_popescu i never made a reservation, never waited for a table.
08:45 mircea_popescu us restaurants don't work like this - consequently, loyalty is impossible.
08:46 mircea_popescu clubs DO work like this, in the larger towns. but the lists are maintained by a loose network of associated strippers/whores/pr girls, who do the promotion footwork.
08:46 thestringpuller Aha. I was talking more about the pub-esque "regulars". You know the drunk who spends 2k a month on booze.
08:46 mircea_popescu that guy picks his pub not by "closest to home" but by facebook ? rly ?
08:46 thestringpuller Yea. I used to work that scene. Honestly the club scene in america is very much turning into "the pimp scene" or maybe it always was taht.
08:47 mircea_popescu nah. the way this works is you open a 10k seater club, have 50-100 girls to go to all the CEO types in that city, tell them "if you agree to come to X club this weekend i'll take all my clothes off and you can fingerfuck me right here on yoru desk"
08:47 mircea_popescu that gives you a steady stream of those in the 100s, and then all the aspie schmucks pay to get in and rub... elbows.
08:47 shinohai ^ life advice here ppl
08:48 thestringpuller That's how the higher end clubs operate. The ones that have ~actual~ vip rooms.
08:48 mircea_popescu right.
08:48 thestringpuller The plebs for college students usually is just "get as many girls here as possible to attract frat dudes to buy them drinks"
08:49 mircea_popescu thestringpuller club scene is fundamentally pimp scene. it'd better be, the alternative is what, highschool cafeteria + prep talks ?
08:49 thestringpuller So all the "advertisement" is in relation to 1) showing guys there are hot girls there 2) getting hot girls there
08:49 mircea_popescu thestringpuller yeah, that's the obnoxious part about us college towns.
08:49 mircea_popescu and the problem with this theory is that us media, unlike everyone else who's sane, won't carry nudity.
08:50 thestringpuller Yea. The college club scene is very akin to herding. Actually similar to high school.
08:50 mircea_popescu it's one thing to put a 50 ft tall poster of a nude woman kissing a campari olive on a drab gray wall across from the campus enclosure.
08:50 mircea_popescu it's another to "tastefully" derp in the us.
08:50 thestringpuller My girlfriend would very much hates that about the US.
08:51 thestringpuller Ah s/would//
08:51 mircea_popescu o look at that, activision bought king.com back in feb. guess what - "blizzard family". world of warcraft and candy crush, same thing!
08:51 mircea_popescu nuts.
08:51 mircea_popescu thestringpuller if she would where's her titpic! :D
08:51 thestringpuller Hmm. I'll ask her about that.
08:52 thestringpuller oh wow activision is going the EA route.
08:52 thestringpuller Like when EA bought PopCap cause Plants vs Zombies could be remade 4mn times like the sims and still sell.
08:52 thestringpuller and this is why the current game I'm playing is 20 years old...
08:53 mircea_popescu oh and the OTHER obnoxious thing about us college towns is they fucking puke.
08:53 mircea_popescu jesus christ when did that become socially acceptable.
08:55 thestringpuller Funny story. My last semester in school, I was walking to my goto pub. These chicks are crossing the street right? One of them pukes on the light post. Her friends help her stand a little. Then after the light changes she continues walking as if nothing ever happened.
08:56 thestringpuller Another good one is as a freshman, one of my friends lived in a dorm with a lot of sorority pledges. So when she was getting up for her 8am class, she'd see girls stumble in go to the toilets. Puke. Put on makeup, and go to class...
08:56 mircea_popescu should be a misdemeanor, "you puke in public you spend that night in jail. no judge, no exceptions."
08:57 thestringpuller Man thinking about all the parties I've been to where there was some girl puking her brains out in her "night gear" (the kinda clothes you wear to work the corner), crying their eyes out with someone annoyed holding their hair back.
08:57 mircea_popescu o hey look at that, ethereum actually up 2.5%.
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08:57 mircea_popescu good investment.
08:58 mircea_popescu thestringpuller women, too, because fucking equalitards omit to mention to girls how they really can't keep up with dudes.
08:58 mircea_popescu sure nadja can keep up with me, but that's only because i suck ; she can't keep up with boris from her hometown.
09:04 * mircea_popescu lolz at the shitcoins. bitcoin cap 10bn, yest trade 1/4 bn (2.5%) ; ethereum "cap" 800mn, yest trade 11mn (1.2%) ; ripple "cap" 250mn (hey, recall when it was 1bn+, above ethereum ?), yest trade 500k (0.2%).
09:04 mircea_popescu a pattern emerges.
09:06 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
09:06 gribble Current Blocks: 419833 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1510 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 55 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
09:07 BingoBoingo 167 blocks till halving
09:07 mircea_popescu dun dun dun
09:10 deedbot [Qntra] Theranos CEO To Be Banned From Operating Lab - http://qntra.net/2016/07/theranos-ceo-to-be-banned-from-operating-lab/
09:23 deedbot [Qntra] Water Charity Maximizes Their Marketing On Paypal's Venmo - http://qntra.net/2016/07/water-charity-maximizes-their-marketing-on-paypals-venmo/
09:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i dun get it, doesn't paypal charge like a buck or so fixed fee ?
09:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc there is a 'micropaypal' service, where they do not.
09:31 BingoBoingo Yeah and microchangetippal has social media integrations
09:33 shinohai Venmo always seemed = to changtip to me
09:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499336 << if war were fought by straight meatsack headcount, this would be interesting observation.
09:34 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 06:09 mircea_popescu: also re tiny : ro is 15% of ru or somesuch ; ru is 35% or so of eu or somesuch. tiny country is monaco, diff story. otherwise, germany's a third of brazil and saudi arabia a 15% of pakistan naimean ?
09:34 BingoBoingo venmo is basically a tool that puts a 1 cent price tag on spamming the shit out of anyone with a venmo coin client
09:34 shinohai kek
09:35 shinohai I forgot to tweet it at victoria
09:35 shinohai lol
09:36 shinohai i was thinking of writing a piece on welfarecoin, but it is in recycle bin atm
09:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform my point exactly.
09:37 mircea_popescu ru didn't stand up so well to ro army for most of war.
09:37 mircea_popescu pick any one of them.
09:37 asciilifeform i only recall 1 where there was a proper ro army
09:38 mircea_popescu which one is that ?
09:38 asciilifeform ww2
09:38 mircea_popescu mno, there's also that little one in the 1880s when tarevich wrote desperately to plox come to turkey and save our asses we're dying here.
09:39 BingoBoingo And what about Vlad's?
09:39 mircea_popescu and in ww1, there was proper ro army alright. there wasn't proper ru army, though, lenin's idea was to a) abandon the allies front and b) go "wee wee please don't beat us up mr european powers sir"
09:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo eh, pre 1800s the russians hadn't yet been invented in europe. was all polish.
09:39 BingoBoingo ic
09:40 mircea_popescu kinda went both ways, between the suceava and krakow courts.
09:40 mircea_popescu i think the poles prolly won by point count.
09:40 mircea_popescu course... there IS that epic tale of sobieski's siege of piatra neamt, anyone know it ?
09:40 mircea_popescu (aka kreuzburg an der bistritz)
09:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: napoleon's army was demolished by poles?!
09:41 asciilifeform wat
09:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform winter isn't an army.
09:41 BingoBoingo $b 3
09:41 asciilifeform winter is an area denial system.
09:41 shinohai lol
09:41 asciilifeform sorta like saying 'minefield isn't an army'
09:42 mircea_popescu quite so ya
09:42 mircea_popescu we were after all discussing headcounts not geographical features.
09:42 asciilifeform actually i was thinking of geographical features.
09:42 mircea_popescu in that sense russland uber alles, uber alles in der welt wtf
09:42 asciilifeform (though for modern wars, minerals are of more interest than climate)
09:42 mircea_popescu ~only barren place left.
09:43 asciilifeform you still gotta somebody ~there~ to mine the molybdenum, etc.
09:44 mircea_popescu hence the "2k people signed up for deportation" lulz yest.
09:44 asciilifeform likewise the locals gotta have some desire to fight for your crown, rather than for their local chieftain, (or even redditing instead)
09:45 mircea_popescu nah, local chieftain fighters will ALWAYS destroy darius.
09:45 mircea_popescu best way, fight for local chieftain.
09:45 asciilifeform this is a point.
09:48 mircea_popescu in fact thinking about it - the ro-ru bad blood starts with the revolutionary derps deserting the front. cela ne se fait pas.
09:48 asciilifeform what business did ru have on that front ?
09:48 mircea_popescu prior to that - very friendly. after that, and especially owing to stalin's low birth behaviours, hallucinating ownership over ro gold and ro bukovina, it went downhill.
09:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they were there weren't they ?
09:49 mircea_popescu nobody asks you to come, but once you're there you leave once the show's done.
09:49 asciilifeform or when the idiot who put you there gets his rightful bullet, along with his whole family
09:49 mircea_popescu notrly.
09:49 mircea_popescu that's teh problem.
09:50 mircea_popescu point in case : if parents of useless redditard shoot him, they STILL owe on his college debt
09:50 mircea_popescu was in logs recently.
09:50 asciilifeform only because they haven't the firepower to make the dun-owe-no-moar stick.
09:51 asciilifeform and at any rate it is not very good example, didn't we learn that derp's mother was co-borrowing ?
09:52 asciilifeform you borrow, buy a horse, the horse dies, you still owe
09:52 asciilifeform ww1 is somewhat different case, the ~you~ died
09:52 asciilifeform and your horse goes where it wants.
09:54 mircea_popescu notrly how this works. if they were so high and mighty, should have shot him BEFORE he committed ~the country~
09:54 mircea_popescu once he did, it's committed, he did it as the legitimate representative at the time, his shit no matter how dumb is binding.
09:54 asciilifeform sorta how revolutions work tho - none of the dumb shit is binding.
09:55 asciilifeform unzip, piss, on debt, commitments, etc. of old king.
09:55 mircea_popescu otherwise this quickly becomes the greek argument, "we borrowed and spent but shouldn't have to repay because hey, new government!"
09:55 asciilifeform entente invaded, got arse handed to them.
09:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly why i don't argue for "make america great again" but "burn it all down"
09:55 asciilifeform it would be interesting to see greeks invaded.
09:56 mircea_popescu hardly interesting. there's what, 10mn of them ? on a peninsula ?
09:56 mircea_popescu carnage.
09:57 asciilifeform greeks could still make a noteworthy mess - they have ships, perhaps could get hold of a few nukes, demolish eu ports
09:57 mircea_popescu ahaha ships.
09:57 mircea_popescu lol. you know how many unneeded ships there are today ?
09:58 asciilifeform i wasn't speaking of tonnage as such
09:58 mircea_popescu internet demolished books, then printing. cable caries many million mile-tons of substitute goods per second
09:58 asciilifeform but ships that move routinely, under various flags but gr ownership
09:58 mircea_popescu notrly greek in that sense. onassis is greek like i'm romanian.
09:58 mircea_popescu ie, something for the other greeks/romanians etc to ASPIRE to.
09:59 mircea_popescu certainly not a sort of meal ticket for the accursed lot.
10:00 asciilifeform one of the mega-mysteries in my mind re gr is wtf was the logic behind inviting them into eu in the first place
10:00 mircea_popescu you familiar with my theory ?
10:00 asciilifeform about the brits ?
10:00 mircea_popescu yeah.
10:00 mircea_popescu i see no other possible explanation.
10:01 asciilifeform turks are nato-aligned but were not drawn into eu
10:01 mircea_popescu country's basically the equivalent of shannen doherty. was hot briefly in its youth, by now it's a great way to pour money down the drain.
10:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform eu has a small penis. greeks are 10mn, turks 80. not to go into details of how lazy pretentious people fit much better, or into how they're also not much of a threat.
10:03 asciilifeform in that light, makes sense
10:03 asciilifeform they picked worthless lap dog instead of rottweiler
10:03 mircea_popescu notwithstanding they really needed the rotweiller ; and much better deal anyway
10:04 asciilifeform but omfg11!11111 the ~teeth~!!!1111
10:04 mircea_popescu but hey, "the eu is not so much a conglomerate with a very small penis as an agglomeration with a particularly large clit"
10:04 mircea_popescu and in other news, https://i.imgur.com/SDrJZ6n.jpg
10:05 mircea_popescu beetle therein depicted made it to 1yo! gets party butt-hat.
10:05 asciilifeform l0l!
10:05 mircea_popescu and aniversary banana slicecake
10:05 asciilifeform is that a kabuto-mushi ?
10:06 mircea_popescu seens wrong legs for that.
10:06 asciilifeform they do.
10:06 mircea_popescu seems more some sort of locanus
10:06 mircea_popescu lucanus*
10:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499404 << what happened with the fork ?
10:10 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 12:57 mircea_popescu: o hey look at that, ethereum actually up 2.5%.
10:10 * asciilifeform has not followed subj in real time
10:10 mircea_popescu they've got a solution
10:11 mircea_popescu i dunno, drama fountain, we kinda covered the basics, they just rehash, shanonize and markov the same stuff endlessly.
10:11 asciilifeform yeah but at some point they gotta pull trigger, no ?
10:12 asciilifeform (or not to pull, but at any rate to decide)
10:12 mircea_popescu i don';t recall when that was, they had like a week maybe ?
10:12 asciilifeform that was a week ago?
10:12 mircea_popescu nah two weeks a week ago
10:12 * mircea_popescu shuffles through reports to bottom of pile
10:14 mircea_popescu atm all hopes pinned on microsoft-sponsored "devcon" for the scamcoin. basically, mit can either get another usg agency involved or they're dropping it, they lost all they were gonna lose on it already.
10:14 mircea_popescu "This is why I love Ethereum. The main net is live for less than a year, yet tthis is the third big convention. " to quote the locals.
10:17 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/vOYow << should be sufficient lulz to bridge you over for another week.
10:18 mircea_popescu gotta economize on the lulz, comedy goldmine running out of gold.
10:18 asciilifeform 'One thing a lot of pro-fork people don't realize is that they're basically encouraging a very damaging form of speculation on the value of ETH. Because a hard fork promises to return ETH at a rate of < 100 DAO per ETH, it encourages people to buy up large amounts of DAO tokens at their current rates (> 100 DAO per ETH), and then actively advocate for the fork to happen. Last time I checked, this guarantees them a profit of > 30% (in
10:18 asciilifeform ETH, not necessarily BTC or fiat). The irony is it's the pro-fork people who tend to be the loudest voices calling their opponents "shills."'
10:18 asciilifeform l0l!!
10:18 * asciilifeform falls down.
10:18 mircea_popescu aww
10:21 mircea_popescu and speaking of purely academitarded wankatrons, "Glen Weyl has uploaded a new version of his paper, Quadratic Voting (written with Steven Lalley), to SSRN, which now includes the completed proofs. Quadratic voting is the most important idea for law and public policy that has emerged from economics in (at least) the last ten years.
10:21 mircea_popescu Quadratic voting is a procedure that a group of people can use to jointly choose a collective good for themselves. Each person can buy votes for or against a proposal by paying into a fund the square of the number of votes that he or she buys. The money is then returned to voters on a per capita basis. Weyl and Lalley prove that the collective decision rapidly approximates efficiency as the number of voters increases. By cont
10:21 mircea_popescu rast, no extant voting procedure is efficient. "
10:21 mircea_popescu sauce https://archive.is/sXWXH
10:21 mircea_popescu think about it alfie, if i want to buy a thousand votes i'm going to say so and pay a million, rather than talk to a thousand derps and pay them a cent each.
10:23 mircea_popescu it's like infants were locked in a tower somewhere and asked to imagine how the world could be.
10:23 asciilifeform sorta what happened, neh ?
10:23 mircea_popescu myeah.
10:23 mircea_popescu "One of the more interesting long-term practical benefits of the technology and concept behind decentralized autonomous organizations is that DAOs allow us to very quickly prototype and experiment with an aspect of our social interactions that is so far arguably falling behind our rapid advancements in information and social technology elsewhere: organizational governance. " << apud buterin, 2014.
10:24 asciilifeform also a case of 'cost paid by mircea_popescu to talk to a thousand derps to get their pennies is not a cost because we say so and shuddup terrorist'
10:24 mircea_popescu you know... it's social interaction that fell behind their redittardedly advancing technologee
10:24 mircea_popescu notrly teh other way around.
10:25 mircea_popescu but whatever, i have no expectation to explain to ustards that a classics education always beats a stem education. not in this life. the contrary nonsense's been derped too much, and they've never seen anyone with a classical education anyway.
10:27 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: a classics education always beats a stem << this doesn't get undergrad children jobs in the US. interesting though, that having gotten a stem education, i feel extremely deprived of not having studied as many classics
10:27 asciilifeform you ~can't get either kind in usa
10:28 thestringpuller you can't get "marketing" STEM degree in USA. that is degree is more of advertisement for self, that bears no real meaning.
10:28 asciilifeform but you ~can~ pay 200k usd to derp about the great zimbabwe for 4 (5? 6?) years.
10:28 thestringpuller the actual education even if considered "top class" results in MIT graduates unable to light a bulb with battery + wire
10:28 mircea_popescu alf has it. you can not, for any sum of money, acquire a classics education in the english language today.
10:28 mircea_popescu was marginally possible in the 80s, but no more.
10:29 asciilifeform actual education, in usa, to the extent it can be had, is done by skipping class and hanging out among the dusty tomes, and illicit experiments in your cellar.
10:29 thestringpuller This is why an advisor with good intentions usually pushes students "with potential" to study abroad.
10:29 thestringpuller And usually why they get huge tuition cuts if they do.
10:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can't really experiment with the other kind however ; an tomes lie. not by design but in effect.
10:30 asciilifeform thestringpuller: i've never met a 'study abroad' type in usa who wasn't prestige-farming 'future student leaders!111' apparatchik candidate
10:30 mircea_popescu thestringpuller not sure where that abroad would be. damascus maybe.
10:30 thestringpuller asciilifeform: illicit experiments in your cellar. << What about a good teacher? Is the teacher extinct from a scholarly perspective.
10:30 mircea_popescu there is no us citizen alive today who is qualified to as much as teach latin.
10:30 asciilifeform thestringpuller: do you recall the professor brin thread ?
10:30 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: not sure where that abroad would be. << the ones I would trust with money usually studied in China.
10:30 mircea_popescu i have nfi about china. who knows, maybe.
10:31 mircea_popescu though their classics give me hives.
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10:31 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i can't seem to find it in search
10:31 thestringpuller $professor brin
10:31 mircea_popescu lol
10:31 thestringpuller $search professor brin
10:31 mircea_popescu $s brin the elder
10:31 a111 5 results for "brin the elder", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brin%20the%20elder
10:31 thestringpuller aha ty mircea_popescu
10:32 asciilifeform i suspect that the good teachers have been driven into drink, and retirement
10:33 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499568 << how's that ?
10:33 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 14:31 mircea_popescu: though their classics give me hives.
10:34 thestringpuller asciilifeform: so the fate full nodes are facing, is a similar fate good teachers face?
10:35 thestringpuller They are useful, but are not rewarded for their usefulness...how is this sustainable?
10:36 asciilifeform what does 'useful' mean in the absence of the raw material to work with ?
10:36 thestringpuller so lack of "useful students" is the sole problem?
10:37 mircea_popescu fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.
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10:37 asciilifeform what other problem could there possibly be?
10:37 mircea_popescu i mean zen-dao, whatevers
10:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the marginal refuse of the west picked up the derpiest chinese material
10:37 asciilifeform mega-surprise ?
10:38 mircea_popescu what can i say. perhaps.
10:38 thestringpuller asciilifeform: the same rationale behind why there is no "sane computer" thread. i.e. dumbness is institutionalized. so wouldn't useless students be merely a symptom of this?
10:38 asciilifeform this is why i was sad to see spandrel drummed out, he was potentially a window into the other things.
10:38 mircea_popescu nobody can know everything an' i dun know azns.
10:38 mircea_popescu he got drummed out ?
10:38 asciilifeform not precisely
10:38 asciilifeform but i'm not certain i would come back if i were him
10:38 mircea_popescu iirc it was more a case of "hey, i'm here to promote ; oh you're not really an audience ? ok, ima go promote down the street"
10:39 mircea_popescu which is fine and all, i mean waste of his life but what's that to me.
10:39 mircea_popescu (though you'd think he'd fucking know better if he were that window - neh ?)
10:39 asciilifeform translators are often humble folk.
10:40 mircea_popescu good translators ? without exception they're major actors in one, often both cultures.
10:40 mircea_popescu that's what translator means.
10:40 asciilifeform well we haven't any of those.
10:40 mircea_popescu and so my ignorance continues.
10:41 asciilifeform thestringpuller: re 'institutional' - every other year or so i visit the headquarters of the dept i graduated from, on foot, just because i live nearby and why the hell not. but lately it is almost a challenge to avoid barfing
10:41 asciilifeform at this point, folks with actual interest in the subject would last five seconds in the school.
10:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wonder how much he makes out of selling books in 2016 for the love of lols.
10:45 mircea_popescu i could think of a more ridoinculous proposition but not readily.
10:50 mircea_popescu anyway, to formalize this, i figure there's people who're looking to take ; and people who're looking to give themselves away asciilifeform . tmsr is entirely and to some degree by design inadherent to the former. it may, maybe, work for short intervals, but not too likely, and certainly less likely over time. this results in a lot of butthurt, calling it a cult, whatever.
10:51 mircea_popescu but the invisible line that unites curtis yarvin, that "lesswrong" derp, spandrell fellow, the restaurant manager chick yesterday, and on and on an endless list of these, is specifically that they welded the head shut.
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10:51 mircea_popescu "this is the code i'ma run, see how much of the world i can despoil on its basis"
10:52 mircea_popescu it's infantile, sure, and moreover they're pretty miserable at it. nevertheless, it's what they're doing, and there's no outside flippable switch to get them out of it.
10:52 mircea_popescu time, or more likely, the grave will straighten out this hunchback.
10:53 mircea_popescu and of course it's perfectly understandable, the whore has a whore's personality not because she's an evil harpy shrew but because it's the only way to survive at the bottom of the shit ocean : batten the damned hatches.
10:54 mircea_popescu somewhat relatedly, most people don't figure they have ANY authority. therein included, the authority to decide what to do with themselves at any point (gotta be in school in half hour! shiot im late for job interview! omg office hours!) or for that matter what to believe.
10:55 mircea_popescu these can't possibly participate in any sort of forum where actual people intercourse, simply because they've not what with.
11:07 mircea_popescu and in other rotherham lulz, https://www.rt.com/news/349784-german-migrants-assault-lie/
11:07 mircea_popescu some derpy chick by the name selin goren got raped by a bunch of arab immigrants, liked it, reported to police that she was robbed by a group of german men.
11:12 mircea_popescu oh also, http://www.nationalisti.ro/2016/07/sri-decis-sfarsit-sa-ne-spuna-la-digi-care-e-faza-cu-tancurile-americane-bai-frate-cu-300-de-tancuri-faci-razboi-nu-exercitii-militare/ << us armor moving through romania towards ukraine ; 500-1k pieces spotted, mostly heavy.
11:12 trinque "politically expedient" she says
11:12 trinque damn that's some honesty
11:12 mircea_popescu who ?
11:12 trinque the raped chick
11:12 mircea_popescu oh the german derp. myeah.
11:13 mircea_popescu hey, she knows how it goes.
11:13 mircea_popescu "rape" is a matter of who, not a matter of what.
11:14 trinque fascinates me how the ancient instincts wear whichever "politically expedient" mask is available in the times
11:15 mircea_popescu similarly fascinating, how women grew hair on head throughout the roman empire, showed up on coins with currently fashionable hairdo nevertheless ; or how they've had two tits and a slit for millenia yet always dressed in period dress everywherw!
11:15 trinque lol
11:17 mircea_popescu http://lucianisar.com/uncategorized/bnr-si-aurul-la-londra-cat-sa-iasa-de-o-ciunga/ << romania ships ~60 tons of gold to london. you know, for safekeeping. lolz.
11:17 mircea_popescu idiots.
11:19 mircea_popescu (it's something like a coupla billion worth, ie just enough to bridge britain through the brexit)
11:20 deedbot [Qntra] Dallas "Black Lives Matter" Sniper Killed In Drone Bombing - http://qntra.net/2016/07/dallas-black-lives-matter-sniper-killed-in-drone-bombing/
11:20 mircea_popescu is this first in us ?
11:23 asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2016/07/dallas-black-lives-matter-sniper-killed-in-drone-bombing/#comment-63414
11:26 asciilifeform lel 'spanish gold' never ends
11:27 mircea_popescu heh
11:28 * mircea_popescu is out of the loop, no idea what bnr might have gotten out of the deal.
11:28 mircea_popescu but the notion of helping the fucktarded brits is anathema, jesus f christ.
11:28 asciilifeform hey it isn't ro gold no moar, it is nato (usg) gold.
11:29 asciilifeform just as ro railroad is this thing that exists mainly to move nato tanks.
11:29 asciilifeform (otherwise would go to the same place as ro nuke institute)
11:30 asciilifeform 'He added that while robots aren't typically designed to be armed — they're used for observation or dismantling purposes — law enforcement could decide to use bomb robots when officers are in immediate danger.'
11:30 asciilifeform afaik no u.s. police precinct Officially issues frags.
11:31 mircea_popescu heh
11:31 asciilifeform then again, last month we learned that they issue demo charges.
11:31 asciilifeform (how many popped in orlando - five ?)
11:32 mircea_popescu you mean the ones the terrorist blew up ?
11:32 asciilifeform lel
11:33 asciilifeform https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm2TgDEW8AIOQus.jpg:large << purported bot.
11:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Is that a different one than your shotgun bot from the South St Louis standoff?
11:36 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: looks rather different
11:36 BingoBoingo Ah
11:36 asciilifeform http://www.popsci.com/police-used-bomb-disposal-robot-to-kill-dallas-shooting-suspect?src=SOC&dom=tw << according to volkischer beobachter, the machine includes bomblets for setting off suspected bomb
11:37 asciilifeform http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/Remotec/Products/Pages/F6B.aspx << vendor.
11:38 asciilifeform 'Dual accessory mounts on arm allow simultaneous, multiple weapon/sensor deployment.'
11:38 asciilifeform general-purpose killbot.
11:38 mircea_popescu looks pretty cheaply made, al/composite. more of the same "we can attack very well and defend nothing at all" technologees ?
11:38 asciilifeform oblig: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072975
11:38 a111 Logged on 2015-03-26 20:42 asciilifeform: expect this kind of policing to become sop
11:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072976
11:39 a111 Logged on 2015-03-26 20:42 asciilifeform: that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots
11:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 .
11:39 a111 Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
11:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how much difference would it make if it were made of the finest titanium ?
11:40 asciilifeform thing is not a tank, is a disposable unmanned toy
11:41 mircea_popescu in other lulz, http://www.historia.ro/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_image/public/3_233.jpg << fashion at the time being to dress the chicks in "popular costume". because hey, womenz, and what woman doesn't love to be secretly humiliated.
11:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in virtually all encounters, the "toy" costs more than the intended victims.
11:41 asciilifeform this is nearly always true
11:42 mircea_popescu moreover your own quote says "heavily armoured"
11:42 asciilifeform very few folks in usa are 'worth' the bullet
11:42 mircea_popescu that shit's rv-plane level armored.
11:42 asciilifeform idea is to 'discourage the others'
11:42 mircea_popescu by spending more than they're worth ?
11:42 mircea_popescu brb gonna shoot ants with molasses. it'll show em!
11:43 asciilifeform there is no organized resistance in usa.
11:43 mircea_popescu yawell.
11:43 asciilifeform (masses of idiots, herded by provocateurs, notwithstanding)
11:43 asciilifeform and against disorganized bulls, robot worx great.
11:43 asciilifeform cheaper than half dozen dead cops.
11:43 mircea_popescu this will continue for as long as there exists no -ev peons in the us. for as long as the govt can pay and pay and pay, it works.
11:44 mircea_popescu once people gotta forage their own food, things change.
11:45 mircea_popescu for now, there's 60tons of ro gold. like you know, during trajan, exactly.
11:45 asciilifeform for so long as http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495476 continues, 'business as usual'
11:45 a111 Logged on 2016-07-03 02:16 asciilifeform: https://i.imgsafe.org/87582032d9.jpg << moar tuna than you will ever see in one place.
11:45 mircea_popescu except... there's not another 60, not that another 60 would be enough next time.
11:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you should look at ocean population data sometime.
11:45 mircea_popescu i do not believe any of your children will ever eat fish.
11:46 asciilifeform dunno that most folks in usa ever eat ~oceanic~ fish even now.
11:46 asciilifeform they eat ~tasteless vat-grown.
11:46 mircea_popescu river tuna ?
11:46 asciilifeform tuna might be the last wild-caught thing.
11:47 asciilifeform how much heavy metal, by now, per kg ?
11:47 mircea_popescu but it was the example!
11:47 mircea_popescu also, sardine.
11:47 mircea_popescu not that much, shockingly.
11:47 mircea_popescu i mean, more than in 1016, but not as much as projected in 1976
11:48 mircea_popescu anyway. the untold story of the us "we can't defend, we attack" thing is evident in the history of medieval castle warfare. at the time, war was heavily defensive, there was ~no effectual way to attack whatsoever.
11:49 mircea_popescu so building a castle was ~the only practical way to prepare for war. except as the kings successfuly found out, a defensive item defends whoever's there, not whoever built it.
11:49 mircea_popescu usg nightmare scenario is exactly this, highly defensive "everything's a fortress and with gun ports" bourgeois restructuring of the town.
11:50 mircea_popescu which is why if you build, build on reinforced concrete not on fucking vinyl etc.
11:51 asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/police_robot_burns_down_house/?mt=1467993035014 << somehow i missed this gem.
11:51 BingoBoingo In other news all is right with the world again as I have new cordless drill.
11:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol cordless
11:52 asciilifeform i thought BingoBoingo was moving to 19th c. hand tools
11:52 asciilifeform (or at least 'hole hawg')
11:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Also have corded and the hand powered kind of cordless
11:52 BingoBoingo But li-ion has its place by being convenient
11:53 BingoBoingo Do wish for adapter to cord it to lead acid battery terminal though.
11:53 BingoBoingo Perhaps will solicit several months after halving
11:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where in usa, exactly, are folks building 'highly defensive "everything's a fortress and with gun ports" bourgeois restructuring' ?
11:54 mircea_popescu nowhere today, no. i was discussing the baricadable paris of 1700/1800
11:54 BingoBoingo Anyways new drill's chicom makers were sufficiently polite so as to let me be the one to break in the motor's brushes. Was very sparky out of the box, tamer now.
11:54 asciilifeform which, notably, was effective lesson to future 'beoble's republics' as to how not to build city.
11:55 mircea_popescu aha.
11:55 asciilifeform EVERY major city today is defined by the turning radius of a tank.
11:55 asciilifeform it is one of those 'libraries' that ~every~ state #includes.
11:55 mircea_popescu anyway, the problem with defensive means is that they empower the individual. state wants offensive means, and if possible to fight all wars against strictly offensive forces.
11:56 asciilifeform recall the land mines thread ?
11:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, a model republican city built specifically on anti-socialist-state principles would be interesting
11:56 asciilifeform why do you suppose the 'internashinl komyoooooniti' campaigns against mines ?
11:56 asciilifeform they are the poor man's soldier.
11:56 mircea_popescu pity tmsr doesn't currently include an architect.
11:56 asciilifeform or a nuke deterrent.
11:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
11:56 BingoBoingo IN defensive news StL and apparently other deparments today began mandating wearing of their kevlar vests, optional before
11:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform note that they only campaign against mines ON LAND
11:57 mircea_popescu in the sea they're fine.
11:57 asciilifeform a crypto-toggled mine would be a fine thing.
11:58 asciilifeform 'in my wot? go, walk.'
11:59 mircea_popescu anyway ; the us "survivalist" folks have the right idea, even if they don't understand the higher level considerations necessarily. "if you're going to build, build a bunker"
11:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was kinda thinking, back in 2013, that who knows by 2020 nsa could be making that.
11:59 mircea_popescu by now... i don't hope i'll live to see it.
12:01 asciilifeform it is a pretty obvious, imho, idea.
12:01 asciilifeform the next me will make it, or the third, or fourth.
12:02 asciilifeform i will point out the possibly non-obvious aspect, here, for future reference:
12:02 asciilifeform you don't want a radio receiver in them.
12:03 asciilifeform it is the obvious, screaming way to do the crypto comms, but entirely and catastrophically wrong.
12:03 asciilifeform if you have radio, receiver can be overloaded and fried
12:03 asciilifeform and at any rate, cannot be shielded and will thus be pickable up with nonlinear junction detector.
12:03 asciilifeform you want ~acoustic~ control.
12:03 asciilifeform as in sonobuoys.
12:04 asciilifeform only gotta send a few kB, and who gives a fuck if it takes half an hour.
12:05 asciilifeform transmit using 'thumper', as seen in 'dune' (and every pipe-laying crew on earth)
12:06 asciilifeform the main difficulty is, in getting the mechanism to be 100% reliable.
12:06 asciilifeform because if it isn't, or if enemy can somehow compromise its reliability...
12:06 trinque yeah, I don't see a great way of confirming back that it's disarmed
12:06 asciilifeform it is the obvious reason why - afaik - no modern army fields crypto mines.
12:07 asciilifeform they, however, WILL work, for a medieval-style 'no you are not precious snowflake and guess what, your grenade during training has 5% chance of killing you and stfu' army.
12:07 asciilifeform of the near future.
12:08 asciilifeform so crypto mine has 5% chance of not hearing disarm signal. so wat.
12:08 asciilifeform e.g., many ww2 engagements, had substantially > than that friendly fire casualty rate.
12:09 asciilifeform so stalin loses 5% of men on his own cryptofield, but hitler loses 95.
12:09 asciilifeform so the search for mythical '100% reliable' mine is a distration. and a useful one, because it keeps usg from deploying the thing.
12:09 trinque any signaling of "off" gives up the position of the mines
12:09 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
12:10 trinque suppose you could spread out antenna in the dirt though, such that it's imprecise
12:10 asciilifeform mines with acoustic sensors could do many spiffy things. such as... ~encircling~ the enemy.
12:11 asciilifeform (let him pass in, but not out, of cauldron)
12:11 asciilifeform trinque: no antennae. see above.
12:11 trinque or have a preference for large prey, yep
12:11 asciilifeform 'large prey' was already baked in ww2, tank mines
12:11 asciilifeform low-tech thing.
12:11 asciilifeform there are already mines that let N tanks pass before triggering, it is very old idea.
12:12 mircea_popescu incidentally, speaking of "keeps us from exploring", isn't it funny how abandoned special concretes are today ? the VERY related field of special ceramics gets all the love. because obviously, the earlier linked robot.
12:12 * asciilifeform long-time aficionado of subj
12:12 mircea_popescu but think for a moment... what'd a nylon mesh do for concrete ? what'd graphite strucutre ? etc.
12:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: or even pykrete.
12:12 asciilifeform scarcely gets cheaper than pykrete.
12:12 mircea_popescu considering what the current ships are like, pykrete's a much better alternative.
12:12 asciilifeform (virtually indestructible)
12:13 asciilifeform when i first learned of pykrete, i had the obvious idea
12:13 asciilifeform (that you could 'print' it underwater, using a moving print head, liquid N2 jet and pipe for water/sawdust slurry)
12:14 asciilifeform instant boat.
12:14 asciilifeform or fort. etc
12:14 mircea_popescu we leave this for ben_vulpes 's robot miner army.
12:14 asciilifeform the inevitable n-th army.
12:16 asciilifeform 'Нас много, всех не перевешаете.' (tm) (r)
12:17 asciilifeform to round off the thread,
12:17 asciilifeform one obvious way to have crypto-mines with NO comms,
12:17 asciilifeform is timed gaps.
12:18 asciilifeform if you have the key, you know which half hour the field is passable in, per week.
12:18 asciilifeform if not - not.
12:18 mircea_popescu t&e delivers same result
12:18 asciilifeform t&e ?
12:18 mircea_popescu trial and error
12:18 asciilifeform you mean, mine-clearing using prisoners (or sheep etc) ?
12:18 asciilifeform worx on all mines
12:19 asciilifeform nothing you can do about it.
12:19 asciilifeform (definitionally - mine can only go off once...)
12:20 mircea_popescu nevertheless, not a very good scheme.
12:20 asciilifeform as to what's to keep enemy from using up 1 captive to test - this is what the 'encircle' program is for.
12:20 asciilifeform none go off until the field senses 10,001 foot steps.
12:20 asciilifeform 'entry is a buck, exit - costs 2.' (tm)
12:21 asciilifeform scheme has obvious down sides but i can see cases where it wins.
12:21 mircea_popescu well sure, everything has cases where it wins.
12:24 asciilifeform 'President Barack Obama, who was in Warsaw for a NATO meeting, said the U.S. was "horrified" by the "vicious, callous and despicable attack."' << gold.
12:24 mircea_popescu in texas ?!
12:24 mircea_popescu i thought he had to order drone strikes
12:24 asciilifeform nope
12:25 asciilifeform only against camel-fuckers
12:25 mircea_popescu that great-again is getting better and better!
12:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo proposed alternative terminology for the us : "The Great Great-Again", GGA.
12:26 asciilifeform http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_27/1611836/ss-160708-dallas-police-shooting-04_40853e7282ab7e261e2f1662efde0027.nbcnews-ux-1024-900.jpg << great again !
12:26 asciilifeform http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_27/1611816/ss-160708-dallas-police-shooting-08_40853e7282ab7e261e2f1662efde0027.nbcnews-ux-1024-900.jpg << love the face
12:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'll let you do a piece to introduce the term. Need to be very clear on applications so context is needed.
12:28 asciilifeform and the inevitable: '"When people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately it makes attacks like these more deadly and tragic," Obama told a press conference during a trip to Poland. "In the days ahead we're going to have to consider those realities."' (obummer)
12:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo maybe we let it mature a little first.
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how about taking away ALL weapons from ALL usg-paid ANYONE.
12:31 mircea_popescu no more us army, no more us police, nothing.
12:32 mircea_popescu "if you work for the government, in any capacity, you're slave not a citizen. pick up a shovel and make yourself useful. bitch."
12:32 asciilifeform lel go an' take.
12:32 mircea_popescu i imagine that's what he meant to say, right ? it'd clearly make "attacks like these" much less deadly.
12:32 asciilifeform 'how about taking away all weapons from wehrmacht'
12:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform last i checked they still buy them with dollars. those can be taken anyway from them as well as from anyone.
12:33 asciilifeform just as usg corruption ain't 'corruption', usg weapons are... 'peace sticks' or somesuch.
12:33 mircea_popescu heh. in their dreamzzz.
12:33 asciilifeform they dun 'buy' any more than hitler did.
12:34 asciilifeform i heard that things might be a little different on mircea_popescu's planet, but on the one where i live, it is usg who does the givin' and the takin'.
12:35 mircea_popescu and in some households the woman is doing the talkin'.
12:36 asciilifeform what can i say, wake me up when mircea_popescu shows up to disarm the ss.
12:36 mircea_popescu you plan to sleep till then ?
12:36 asciilifeform not exactly. but do wake me up !111
12:37 mircea_popescu kay >)
12:37 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo maybe we let it mature a little first. << Prolly for the best. Meme'ing isn't drilling, there's no room to play with 12 volts of conveniece because unlike drill needs to last.
12:38 BingoBoingo Anyways, the made in USA vs china problem in a nutshell http://toolguyd.com/empire-e2g-e70-level/
12:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: speaking of workshops, i finally scored a (smallish) cnc mill. but it will need new motor.
12:39 BingoBoingo ;tldr "Made in USA" to the extent in continues does so for feels in weird
12:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sweet
12:40 asciilifeform dafuq is 'true blue liquid' ??
12:41 BingoBoingo Basically level solution, but different color because branding.
12:41 asciilifeform lol
12:41 BingoBoingo Or perhaps different alcohol
12:41 asciilifeform and it matters because...?
12:42 BingoBoingo Because made in USA because if made in China factories would sell "brand's" products without letting brand know.
12:42 asciilifeform i have a sledge hammer. it is 'made in usa!11'
12:42 BingoBoingo This is a form of weird known as "trade dress"
12:42 BingoBoingo lol
12:42 asciilifeform approx the tech level available here
12:42 asciilifeform for less than golden toilet price, anyway.
12:43 asciilifeform if you want so much as a radio made in usa, you have to buy from grumman and it will cost its weight in pu.
12:43 BingoBoingo Hey my rubber hose circa this week also made in USA. Slightly higher tech
12:43 asciilifeform probably made from corn.
12:43 asciilifeform somehow.
12:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'trade dress' << do you recall the incident where fluke corp. had a party of chinese voltmeters confiscated and burned at a customs checkpoint ? FOR BEING YELLOW ??
12:44 BingoBoingo Maybe corn has a latex in the stalk?
12:44 BingoBoingo lol yeah
12:45 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-22#574779 << see also.
12:45 a111 Logged on 2014-03-22 17:53 asciilifeform: the next day, they 'apologized' by... supplying a crate of free fluke meters to the victim
12:46 BingoBoingo Not that power tools this is actually less issue because TTI makes nearly everything and is chicom.
12:46 BingoBoingo Well, stanley black and decker company has problems prolly, but... exist now as ghostly AMD to TTI's intel
12:47 BingoBoingo (german concerns like festool dun count because "apple-icized"
12:48 asciilifeform https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/751424255934361602 << lel. we've seen this play before.
12:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the interesting bit is that i routinely see all-iron, heavy, electric drills etc. at yard sales, circa 1940s-50s. they still work.
12:49 asciilifeform and will still work in 2050s if kept reasonably oiled.
12:49 asciilifeform forget about the chinese rubbish.
12:50 asciilifeform if you learn to rebuild motor windings, yer grandchildrenz will drill with the same drill.
12:51 asciilifeform just like partizans fighting ukrs are using ww2 weapons now.
12:51 asciilifeform they work.
12:51 asciilifeform (there are even reports of 'maxim' from ww1! in use.)
12:51 asciilifeform take care of yours toolz, they will take care of you.
12:54 asciilifeform http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/attachments/f12/3138-old-power-tool-recommendations-b-ddrill.jpg << example.
12:54 asciilifeform 0 plastic.
12:54 asciilifeform ^ much more convenient grip than modern examples. why was it abandoned ?
12:54 asciilifeform spade handle points the thing more or less where you point your hand.
12:55 asciilifeform and that motor! easily 1/2 horse.
12:56 asciilifeform i am still waiting for some satisfactory answer re why this went away.
13:01 mircea_popescu i think i had one of those
13:01 asciilifeform everybody had one of these.
13:01 asciilifeform at some point.
13:01 asciilifeform ru folks still, i suspect, have theirs
13:02 mircea_popescu complete with imbibed-textile power cord
13:02 asciilifeform aha.
13:02 mircea_popescu no plastics that'd work at that time
13:02 asciilifeform what other cord in '40s!1!
13:02 mircea_popescu so it was basically tarred linen
13:02 asciilifeform just as in edison's time.
13:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly it looks like one of those items where they make 1mn of each part then send in the gurlz to fish for matching sets.
13:03 asciilifeform tolerance is not so low that you cannot match arbitrary set.
13:03 mircea_popescu guess not.
13:03 mircea_popescu louder engine maybe
13:03 asciilifeform these are not american rifles.
13:03 asciilifeform where you have to match to 0.1% or whatever.
13:04 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i really hate drills that don't apply the brake when i release the trigger
13:04 asciilifeform brake?!
13:05 ben_vulpes stops the drill action?
13:05 * ben_vulpes has nfi how it actually works
13:05 asciilifeform probably disconnects the motor winding from mains, and shorts it
13:05 asciilifeform but why would i want this.
13:06 ben_vulpes to avoid driving the screw too far into whatever.
13:06 ben_vulpes wide wide world of materials.
13:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes drives screws with a drill?!
13:06 ben_vulpes my drill does both quite handily.
13:06 ben_vulpes 2006 18V ryobi.
13:06 asciilifeform does your hammer also drive screws, ben_vulpes ?
13:07 asciilifeform how about rifle ? you have screw-driver bayonet attachment ?
13:07 ben_vulpes let me say then that my screw gun drills holes.
13:07 ben_vulpes i also have one of the 40s monsters!
13:07 ben_vulpes just infrequently used.
13:08 ben_vulpes excellent for sinking a million holes. less useful for sinking holes and immediately filling them with screws.
13:09 mircea_popescu he has a point ; 1940s tools not nearly as flexible.
13:09 asciilifeform 'flexible' is for the birds. use the tool for the job.
13:10 ben_vulpes flexible can be fragile
13:10 asciilifeform drill for drilling, screw gun for screwing, etc
13:10 ben_vulpes stuff and nonsense. tool is electrical motor and electricity.
13:10 mircea_popescu flexbile can be fragile. then again your skin's not made of treebark.
13:10 ben_vulpes and the job is sometimes not simply sinking holes.
13:11 mircea_popescu kinda looking forward to the obvious application of usg drone depicted supra
13:11 asciilifeform 1940s works, built by inflexible people with inflexible toolz, are still standing. and quite valuable.
13:11 mircea_popescu which is the garage bot. follows you around and does things. like make holes. with the right tool for job.
13:11 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: neither you nor i live in their works.
13:12 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: because valuable.
13:12 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Bitcoin Life Insurance policy. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/the-bitcoin-life-insurance-policy/
13:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, i bet, lives in their worx.
13:13 ben_vulpes part of my job is not accidentally ripping the vinyl apart with 1940s tools
13:13 asciilifeform vinyl?!
13:13 ben_vulpes because then hole in rental environmental envelope, pissed off landlord, and no shelf!
13:13 ben_vulpes metaphorical vinyl!
13:13 ben_vulpes i'm not living in my domes yet.
13:14 asciilifeform i thought ben_vulpes finally bought log cabin
13:14 ben_vulpes rented, vinyl cabin in forest.
13:14 asciilifeform ah
13:14 ben_vulpes vinyl, perhaps a bit mean-spirited.
13:14 asciilifeform i suppose that's why it looks so clean
13:14 asciilifeform in the woman's pic
13:14 ben_vulpes it is a lovely little cottage.
13:14 ben_vulpes the pinterests? i don't think any of that is oc
13:15 asciilifeform there was some log cabin thing.
13:15 ben_vulpes not mine, and the ancestral mountain home is not 'log' either.
13:20 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> and will still work in 2050s if kept reasonably oiled. << But sometime you just gotta go places disposable makes sense. Like outside. If disposable can go outside no reason to risk srs machine.
13:21 mats http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520753/Chinese-boyfriend-jumped-death-girlfriend-insisted-going-clothes-shop.html
13:22 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> brake?! << common now in disposables. Also common: screwdriving clutch
13:23 asciilifeform screw gun, with 25:1 gearing, needs no stinkin' brake
13:23 asciilifeform mats: darwinalicious.
13:23 * BingoBoingo supposes asciilifeform is unfamiliar with "cordless impact driver (distinct from hammer drill).
13:24 mats i chuckled for about thirty seconds
13:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there was a thread about it
13:25 asciilifeform but no, i dun have one
13:28 BingoBoingo Seems to be the specialized tool for driving lag bolts atm.
13:30 BingoBoingo $google oscillating multitool
13:30 deedbot http://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools-Hardware-Power-Tools-Power-Multi-Tools-Oscillating-Tools/N-5yc1vZc2b2 << Oscillating Tools - Power Multi Tools - Power Tools - The Home Depot | http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/interior-projects/how-to/g1763/the-best-oscillating-tools-we-put-9-to-the-test/ << The Best Oscillating Tools: We Put 9 to the Test | http://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-tools/reviews/more/oscillating-multi-tools << Tool review: Oscillating
13:31 asciilifeform http://pics2.ds-static.com/prodimg/169035/300.jpg << oscillating multi-tool.
13:32 BingoBoingo lol
13:32 BingoBoingo $up lru
13:32 deedbot lru voiced for 30 minutes.
13:32 asciilifeform who might you be, lru ?
13:32 * BingoBoingo doesn't know why that get dubbed "multitool" and still more versatile reciprocating saw doesn't
13:33 asciilifeform https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--T_jqeJWb--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18iyzhe2e0lndpng.png << reciprocating multi-tool.
13:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Indeed very versatile
13:33 BingoBoingo Shame the despot doesn't yet stock fucking blades for them.
13:33 asciilifeform btw i recall a report of an idiot who made one of these ~with the saw blade in~
13:34 asciilifeform it sawed through.
13:34 BingoBoingo Yes
13:34 BingoBoingo But not like rectovaginal fistula is a rare thing
13:35 mircea_popescu i never saw one.
13:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, we now learn, doesn't fuck african chix with botched declitorations.
13:35 mircea_popescu that doesn't normally yield perineum perforation does it ?
13:35 asciilifeform iirc it does
13:35 asciilifeform when they birth
13:35 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Tis a problem mostly related to birthing
13:36 asciilifeform the ones that got stapled shut earlier
13:36 mircea_popescu ah.
13:37 mircea_popescu no, i've not had children!
13:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had spiffy essay at one point re how places that REALLY can't afford high birth rate, mutilate chix
13:37 asciilifeform (when calories are so scarce that they can't even afford birth-and-throw-to-the-snakes birthcontrol)
13:39 asciilifeform http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-joe-walsh-twitter-dallas-tweet-20160708-story.html << moar lulz.
13:39 asciilifeform 'Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh declared "This is now war" and called for President Barack Obama to "watch out" in a Twitter post reacting to the Dallas shooting that killed five police officers and injured seven. "This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you," he wrote in the tweet, which has since been deleted.'
13:40 BingoBoingo I believe the term being bandied around is "RAHOWA"
13:40 asciilifeform '"There's a war against our cops in this country, and I think Obama has fed that war and Black Lives Matter has fed that war. ... Obama's words and the deeds of Black Lives Matter have gotten cops in this country killed."'
13:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wats that
13:41 mircea_popescu where was that mp line saying black people are going to end up in death camps, purely demographic reasons ?
13:41 BingoBoingo $google RAHOWA
13:41 deedbot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahowa_(band) << Rahowa (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RAHOWA << Urban Dictionary: RAHOWA | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaHoWa << RaHoWa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
13:41 asciilifeform it would have to be atzlan's death camps.
13:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform weimar republic liked jews ; didn't help them.
13:41 asciilifeform because sure as hell won't be ones run by white folk.
13:41 mircea_popescu oya.
13:42 BingoBoingo $google Ben Klassen
13:42 deedbot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Klassen << Ben Klassen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggnACwSIXPs << Ben Klassen PM on Race & Reason - Part 1 of 3 - YouTube | http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Ben_Klassen << Ben Klassen - Metapedia
13:42 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
13:42 gribble Current Blocks: 419860 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1483 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
13:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a foregone conclusion at this point. most dangerous place in the world for black person is the continental us.
13:42 mircea_popescu gotta get out.
13:42 asciilifeform 'In addition to his religious and political work, Klassen was an electrical engineer and was the inventor of a wall-mounted electric can-opener.' << lulzy
13:42 BingoBoingo 140 blocks left till halving
13:43 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's a foregone conclusion at this point. most dangerous place in the world for black person is the continental us. << cc: thestringpuller
13:43 mircea_popescu poor guy heh.
13:44 BingoBoingo srsly
13:45 BingoBoingo But yeah this collective responsibility business seems to be primed to turn back around.
13:46 mircea_popescu "jews got all the media", recall that one ?
13:46 BingoBoingo mebbe?
13:46 mircea_popescu "jews are fundamentally cowardly and organically insolent", recall ?
13:46 BingoBoingo hmmm...
13:46 mircea_popescu "jews are libidinous beasts!!11 fuxing our womenz!!1"
13:46 mircea_popescu etc etc
13:46 BingoBoingo is this a new thing?
13:46 mircea_popescu no, it's the same old thing. the birth of a scapegoat.
13:47 mircea_popescu make america great again!
13:47 * BingoBoingo confused about libidinous jew stereotype
13:48 asciilifeform ;;halfreward
13:48 gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sat Jul 9 17:07:52 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 23 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
13:49 mircea_popescu http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/Fat-Evil-Jew-Seduces-a-Good-German-Woman-with-his-Material-Wares.jpg << no shortage of the stuff.
13:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487592 << for aficionados.
13:50 a111 Logged on 2016-06-22 22:46 asciilifeform: http://www.pzg.biz/poster_poison_mushroom.htm << for n00bz.
13:53 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure that's a jew hat thing and not a hamplanet hate thing?
13:55 deedbot [Trilema] O hey, is it November yet ? - http://trilema.com/2016/o-hey-is-it-november-yet/
13:56 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo there's lots of these http://blacksimpregnatewhites.tumblr.com/ type fantasies ; mostly entirely run by white dudes.
13:56 BingoBoingo Oh yeah, but seriously Jews? The people so brow beaten by their women?
13:56 BingoBoingo I thought their stereotype was more as a sort of castrati
13:56 mircea_popescu hey, there's absolutely no limit to what may figure in a fantasy.
13:57 mircea_popescu the average german dude in 1936 believed jews to be in general fucking teenaged german girls by the boatload much like you believe black dudes have big cocks
13:58 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you think this because the lafond image (niggers=cowards) prevailed by virtue of you know, the gas chambers. but historically it was not a widely held view.
~ 51 minutes ~
14:49 mod6 <@deedbot> [Trilema] O hey, is it November yet ? - http://trilema.com/2016/o-hey-is-it-november-yet/ << :D the likeness!
~ 47 minutes ~
15:37 mircea_popescu is it ?
15:37 mircea_popescu i was worried maybe i'm hallucinating it
15:51 mircea_popescu in other "argentines are retards" lulz, here's a challenge for anyone : find a list of buenos aires highschools online. anywhere, in any language.
15:52 mircea_popescu wikipedia has a meagre dozen, ie, abour 2%. "paginas amarillas" like 9. buenosaires.gob.ar a derpy page with large fonts and nice graphics, nothing useful. (in line with the entire government here, they're basically made by apple, 0 substance, harsh colors, foot tall fonts. smartphone sites.)
15:53 mircea_popescu but if you do actually have the intel and get this together, you discover that a) more than half are "religious" ; b) none actually meet the academic level of a ghetto highschool in fucking maryland and so on and so forth.
15:53 mircea_popescu how anyone thinks of this place as above somaliland is entirely beyond me, and strictly a matter of racism.
15:53 mircea_popescu guess what : argentine niggers aren't any better just because they happen to be white-toned.
15:58 phf BingoBoingo: ha! that's because you entered the stereotype conversation at the closing end
16:00 phf i was actually kind of surprised by the castrati thing, and blame new york jews and their documented ideology on non violence on the shift
16:00 phf *of
16:02 phf but back in old world, jews for all practical purposes niggers. jews were affiliated with both banking world and criminal world
16:04 phf ostap bender, a very popular character in su, was an odessan jew, and a "farsovshik" i.e. a huckster
16:04 phf half the criminals in movies and books were jews
16:05 mircea_popescu right.
16:05 mircea_popescu demography doth not lie. be the 11-12% minority, get murdered. it's really that simple.
16:05 phf largest surviving mafia organization from before zar times is odessan mafia (which is where briton beach crowd is from, incorrectly called "russian mafia"), which was exclusively jewish
16:05 mircea_popescu ny mafia was originally also jewish. recruits dried out cca 1950ish, with italians flooding in.
16:06 phf yeah, ny mafia is odessa mafia, only recently, i.e. post 90s did you start getting an influx of "eastern promises" russians
16:06 mircea_popescu phf ro "farsor" (farce-actor), ~same meaning.
16:06 mircea_popescu o you saw that film ?
16:06 mircea_popescu not bad huh.
16:07 phf oh that's what americans ask me all the time "so ugh you saw eastern promises?"
16:08 mircea_popescu lol
16:08 mircea_popescu damn, now i know what i should have said re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471912 ! http://trilema.com/2015/a-modern-lovestory-ioan-niculaie-diana-guresoaie/
16:08 a111 Logged on 2016-05-25 20:45 vc: I can't tell if you're serious or not
16:09 phf i was mostly disappointed that they didn't play up traditional su mafia things. we have our own omerta! where's the songs? where's the slang? seems like a lot of wasted opportunity. all we got is a "carefully researched" tattoos
16:09 asciilifeform ^^
16:09 mircea_popescu phf too much material. us-audience film is a 2kb affair.
16:09 mircea_popescu amiga version!
16:09 asciilifeform l0l!
16:10 asciilifeform american films about su/ru are weird.
16:10 asciilifeform for instance, the iconic tub o'shit 'red october'
16:10 asciilifeform they felt it necessary to MAKE UP a naval anthem
16:10 mircea_popescu the fact that they at fucking least got the tattoos ~right (and no, it's absolutely not out of place that a bunch of dudes in suits gather on fine leather upholstery to drink aged cognac while one of them takes apart a sorry set of 1920 shaver turned into tattoo machine and proceeds.)
16:10 asciilifeform using someone who learned the language from... a dictionary?
16:10 asciilifeform must be
16:11 asciilifeform (see the intro title credits to the film, it is there)
16:11 mircea_popescu but yes, as a narrative it barely holds together in a thousand places. still, ahead of class.
16:11 asciilifeform or try another american film, 'beautiful mind', about crazy mathematician john nash
16:11 mircea_popescu that thing was offensive
16:12 asciilifeform they had his hallucinated ru enemies, speak... fuck knows what
16:12 mircea_popescu they should stick to forrest gump ; touchy feely nobody on a stick works better.
16:12 asciilifeform some language made up on the spot
16:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i saw a 'forrest gump'-themed restaurant in bmore.
16:12 phf american movies don't do geniuses very well, unless it's "odd" characters, like the aviator
16:12 mircea_popescu in the sense that what, all the wait staff was retarded ?
16:12 mircea_popescu i see these here daily.
16:12 asciilifeform i did not go in.
16:13 asciilifeform maybe tomorrow, will go in.
16:13 mircea_popescu wtf was that much better film, with the rape victim ukr ?
16:13 mircea_popescu i don't think it ever saw us wide release
16:13 asciilifeform i have nfi
16:13 asciilifeform dun recall such a thing
16:14 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/la-sconosciuta << there we go
16:14 mircea_popescu either of you saw it ?
16:14 * asciilifeform has not
16:14 mircea_popescu much more "western slav" (ie, serb) mafia than eastern slav, but anyway. altogether better film.
16:15 phf i have not seen it either
16:15 mircea_popescu well im curious what you think!
16:17 phf looks fun
16:18 mircea_popescu phf about the same period, whole world was trying to do "romanian realism" with mixed results.
16:20 phf they don't have enough bratki for that
16:21 phf su prison system managed to preserve and cook up a special kind of culture
16:22 mircea_popescu http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-cannes-romania-new-wave-movies-mungiu-puiu-20160525-snap-story.html << re "ro realism".
16:22 mircea_popescu ~all mentioned titles are worth watching, i'd say.
16:32 phf "Mysterious death of software pioneer Ian Murdock ruled suicide ☶ money.cnn.com"
16:33 asciilifeform ☶ ??
16:33 asciilifeform tangram is in uniturd nao?!
16:33 asciilifeform or what was it
16:33 asciilifeform iching
16:33 asciilifeform holy shit
16:34 asciilifeform ䷀䷁䷂䷃䷄䷅䷆䷇䷈䷉䷊䷋䷌䷍䷎䷏.
16:35 phf asciilifeform: lobste.rs uses iching symbols for some unknown internal reasons which i don't have inclination of investigating. somewhere on par with calling a currency "etherium" and a corporation "dao". way to corner those timeless symbols gaiz
16:35 asciilifeform 'The autopsy records also note his body was covered in bruises -- on his chest, abdomen, back, arms and legs.' << much suicide. surprised that no nailgun holes.
16:36 asciilifeform 'Officers said Murdock banged his own head against the metal cage inside the police car. '
16:36 phf "the victim proceeded to repeatedly trip and fall on knife 37 times"
16:38 asciilifeform from same rag, http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/07/technology/philando-castile-tech-workers-calling-in-black/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer
16:39 asciilifeform 'Calling in black is essentially an excuse for a day of self care, wrote Slack engineer Erica Baker in a Medium post called "Processing." The move comes in the wake of the murders of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, two black men who died at the hands of police officers just this week. Their deaths aren't anomalies by any stretch: Eric Garner, Freddie Gray and Tamir Rice are just a few of the names that have made headlines in the
16:39 asciilifeform past few years. "Today I will give myself the space to grieve for Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and every other black person that has been executed and all those that will be executed by the police, until we finally say enough is enough and put an end to the terrorism that we call modern day policing," '
16:40 phf "если луиса корвалана не отпустят — я завтра на работу не выйду"
16:41 asciilifeform l0l
16:42 BingoBoingo http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/police-body-found-in-piedmont-park-a-suicide-victi/nrtJq/
16:42 mircea_popescu ahahah
16:42 mircea_popescu clearly needed. THIS is needed. the finger is not. fucking i-ching.
16:42 mircea_popescu next they're going to put a mahjongg set
16:42 phf mircea_popescu: boy do i have news for you
16:43 mircea_popescu no fucking way
16:43 BingoBoingo "The case of a black man found hanging from a tree in Piedmont Park has been referred to the FBI, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said.
16:43 BingoBoingo Reed’s statement was issued Thursday afternoon, hours after social media users expressed outrage about the Atlanta Police Department’s contention the scene was consistent with a suicide. An autopsy has not been performed."
16:43 mircea_popescu away, evil one. do not bespoil my youthful innocence.
16:43 phf Mahjong Tiles Range: 1F000–1F02F
16:44 phf
16:44 asciilifeform ^ doesn't display on my box
16:44 mircea_popescu or in his log
16:44 mircea_popescu but i see it fine.
16:44 asciilifeform i-ching, you-ching, we all ching for i-ching.
16:45 phf oh interesting, it's straight up missing from log
16:45 mircea_popescu no it's not. phf: 
16:45 phf true, but corrupted
16:45 asciilifeform i see a subscripted '4'
16:45 mircea_popescu yeah, that's what i'm saying.
16:46 BingoBoingo ;;later tell thestringpuller Pleases consider Brazil
16:46 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:46 phf http://glyf.org/tmp/mahjong.png
16:47 mircea_popescu nevermind!
16:48 phf well, i have some font on my system that kicks in for most obscure characters (i think i wanted it for apl unicode), never the less log loses some unicode bits
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17:25 BingoBoingo Who knew the "weather" tag on qntra would get so much use so soon?
17:26 deedbot [Qntra] Multiple Ambush Attacks On Police Officers Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/multiple-ambush-attacks-on-police-officers-today/
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17:46 mircea_popescu are we waking alf up re police getting butchered or not yet ?
17:47 asciilifeform $s gendarmerie
17:47 a111 35 results for "gendarmerie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gendarmerie
17:47 asciilifeform which waking up.
17:47 asciilifeform plan is pretty obvious.
17:48 asciilifeform if a white army tries to retake and hold streets in bmore, you can bet your arse the feds will show up. and will defend their beloved pets.
17:49 asciilifeform on the other had, white cops trying to keep usa from rhodesiating, ~will~ be butchered, yes.
17:50 asciilifeform to the enthusiastic applause of harvaryalebridge et al.
17:50 trinque do you really think every black dude with an assault rifle is working for lizard hitler?
17:50 trinque they're just pissed dawg
17:50 trinque fuck da po-lice
17:50 asciilifeform trinque: didja ever read rezun's piece re sov-funded terrorists ?
17:51 trinque I haven't.
17:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i recall vaguely some debates cca 2013, prior to the gendarmerie fallback, with me saying the us police is going to get butchered and you saying wake me up when.
17:51 mircea_popescu too vague to bother digging for it though
17:51 asciilifeform 'The GRU's tactics toward terrorists are simple: never give them any orders, never tell them what to do. They are destroying Western civilisation: they know how to do it, the argument goes, so let them get on with it unfettered by petty supervision. Among them there are idealists ready to die for their own ideas. So let them die for them. The most important thing is to preserve their illusion that they are completely free and indepen
17:51 asciilifeform dent.'
17:51 mircea_popescu but i will say this "hey, getting beaten into a pulp WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG" only goes so far
17:51 asciilifeform ( http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html )
17:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: feds were not, and are not, getting beaten into a pulp.
17:52 mircea_popescu incidentally, you know what splitting is ?
17:52 asciilifeform local cops - yes. because they are in the way.
17:52 asciilifeform hm?
17:52 mircea_popescu splitting.
17:52 asciilifeform nfi?
17:53 mircea_popescu splitting is a term from psychology, denoting a tendency (seen mostly in borderline cases, but a variant is central to narcissists of both types also) to resolve contrasts through alternating pure views.
17:53 mircea_popescu in the most typical case, the teenager's mother is PERFECT ALL GOOD, when she satisfies whatever impulse currently holds the attention of the kid ; and EVIL ALL BAD when she frustrates idem
17:53 asciilifeform where's the alternation ?
17:54 asciilifeform shoe dun fit.
17:54 mircea_popescu splitting is common in adolescents, and supposedly healthy to a degree.
17:54 mircea_popescu hey, i was just asking!
17:54 asciilifeform lel
17:54 mircea_popescu tis an interesting concept.
17:54 asciilifeform i'll wear the shoe from the swift thread, though, sure.
17:55 mircea_popescu you'll notice that the simple solution to any unpleasant event is to divide the object into a good and a bad side, yes ?
17:55 mircea_popescu what makes you think there exists a difference between "feds" and "local police" ?
17:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite different items in 1,001 ways.
17:58 asciilifeform different jurisdictions, command structure, philosophy, equipment, even recruitment methods
17:58 mircea_popescu well you know, your hand and your skull are quite different items in 1001 ways, but the argument "the bad hand hit you" might at most convince a pitbull
17:58 mircea_popescu or i guess an orthodox muslim.
17:59 asciilifeform never said 'local is GOOD!111'
17:59 asciilifeform just that it is not a reliable part of the octopus. and is being brought into line.
17:59 mircea_popescu but ? independent ?
17:59 mircea_popescu how does this work, i thought nothing was indepenent ?
18:00 asciilifeform let's rather say: not wholly dependent.
18:00 mircea_popescu turns out there's an island right in heart of mordor ?
18:00 mircea_popescu well then... if local police can be inconvenient, then lizard hittler is quite vulnerable ? and there could be... other problems it could have ?
18:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498863 << they all live atop the same printing press, yes ? what difference ?
18:00 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 18:09 mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
18:01 mircea_popescu same nato behind nypd and fbi, neh ?
18:02 asciilifeform my fingers are in that sense same as my toes
18:02 asciilifeform but in practice, they are not interchangeable.
18:02 mircea_popescu i would propose that the surgeon drawing a distinction between toe gangrene and finger gangrene is a dubious surgeon indeed.
18:03 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
18:03 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 657.0, vol: 7162.71362242 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 640.208, vol: 6605.9657 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 658.77, vol: 35220.83013158 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 610.0, vol: 2.96446983 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 658.55049, vol: 28023.11570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 666.0, vol: 1777.32808492 | Volume-weighted last average: 657.136048733
18:05 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
18:05 gribble Current Blocks: 419884 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1459 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
18:05 BingoBoingo 116 blocks left
18:06 shinohai >.>
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18:35 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “What is this magical key to success you smart people have?” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/what-is-this-magical-key-to-success-you-smart-people-have/
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18:49 BingoBoingo $up God
18:49 deedbot God voiced for 30 minutes.
18:51 God What’s your favorite story from the bible?
18:52 God What do you all think of Mormons?
19:03 trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-idUSKCN0ZN0MF << wahhahaha, "acted alone"
19:03 trinque asciilifeform: I tip my hat
19:04 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499297
19:04 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 04:27 trinque: we'll see how the number of shooters dwindles though
19:06 trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-gunman-idUSKCN0ZO2JO << rather, this one
~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~
20:11 danielpbarron $up hodgepodger
20:11 deedbot hodgepodger voiced for 30 minutes.
20:13 asciilifeform trinque: l0l!
20:13 asciilifeform just like the sandy hook scam
20:13 asciilifeform and buncha others.
20:13 asciilifeform http://www.reuters.com/article/us-markets-bitcoin-mining-idUSKCN0ZO2CW << from same rag.
20:13 asciilifeform 'Bitcoin 'miners' face fight for survival as new supply halves'
20:17 asciilifeform 'Dallas Police Chief David Brown called the incident "a well-planned, well-thought-out, evil tragedy," adding, "We are determined to not let this person steal this democracy from us."' << lel!
20:17 asciilifeform interesting phrasing.
20:28 mircea_popescu trinque well, homebrew stuff isn't an ~international~ terrorist organisation so all's good.
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21:09 asciilifeform http://www.wellaware1.com/castile << moar lulz.
~ 27 minutes ~
21:36 mircea_popescu uh. blood is all sorts of colors.
21:38 mircea_popescu wtf is this crazy shit stick on all sides of video anyway.
21:51 asciilifeform nfi
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22:16 shinohai reportedly, coinbase has a bug that is making high numbers of "vaults" in user accounts lol
22:21 asciilifeform waiwut
22:24 shinohai http://archive.is/rNiol
22:24 asciilifeform what do these actually do ?
22:27 mircea_popescu someone fucking with their db ?
22:27 shinohai or they just have a new "feature"
22:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1500179 << this thing just melted my brainz. some schmuck crying because he could not become a... health inspector! and pete_dushenski advising him on how to cry less
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22:32 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 22:35 deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “What is this magical key to success you smart people have?” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/what-is-this-magical-key-to-success-you-smart-people-have/
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23:16 mircea_popescu nuttin wrong with that, is thar!
23:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: There are worse things to cry over.
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23:39 phf spilled milk for one
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