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00:08 asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << is missing dulap, the single most robust trb node i know of
00:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:12 trinque asciilifeform: what's your uptime?
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00:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498476 << dulap's?
00:15 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 04:12 trinque: asciilifeform: what's your uptime?
00:15 mod6 asciilifeform: what's the ip?
00:15 asciilifeform a few min's downtime since december
00:16 asciilifeform it is the current ip of nosuchlabs.com
00:16 mod6 ok thanks.
00:16 trinque nice. deedbot's been up around 104 days.
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00:16 trinque and however long before that reboot
00:17 asciilifeform dulap had 1 unscheduled reset, still unexplained, and 1 scheduled, in end of may
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00:46 mod6 ok updated.
00:54 asciilifeform neato.
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03:54 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/wSW29
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05:07 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
05:07 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 646.15, vol: 7761.42734891 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 640.0, vol: 5568.62817 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 644.32, vol: 40969.70975322 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 551.0, vol: 7.59 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 646.23169, vol: 40976.80990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 645.001, vol: 1572.02214638 | Volume-weighted last average: 645.030787264
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07:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498473 << same EXACT reason we're keeping bitcoin alive. the imbecile fucktards that lived before us failed so fucking hard all they left us was this rotten gojineata. patching the holes in it so we have somewhere to get out of the rain while we build proper house.
07:11 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 03:19 asciilifeform: remind me why we're keeping this thing alive..?
07:11 mircea_popescu if everyone's mother and father were better people, we'd have better options. as it is, we got what we got.
07:12 * shinohai applauds
07:16 mircea_popescu speaking of which, "fute-o nahoi la gadcaia în gojineață și nu govițăi pe aici". from https://forum.md/ru/913246
07:16 mircea_popescu rusophones might appreciate lol.
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07:47 mircea_popescu shinohai speaking of that idiocy, certainly a prime candidate for a fix. nfi who thought that's cool.
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07:49 thestringpuller It's like
07:49 thestringpuller life is a party that's never gonna end, and, and you're not hosting that
07:49 thestringpuller party, you're there, so you can, you know take a-take a dump on the coats, and
07:49 thestringpuller you know, you can leave your beer bottle in the toilet if you want, it doesn't
07:49 thestringpuller matter, it's not your house! OK, we're just here to have a good time.
07:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498483 mine are up 38 days, up 127 days respectively.
07:49 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 04:16 trinque: nice. deedbot's been up around 104 days.
07:49 thestringpuller Wow how did that quote get chopped up :(
07:53 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498497 <<< werd. Still waiting on my box to go live so I can get to experimenting.
07:53 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 11:47 mircea_popescu: shinohai speaking of that idiocy, certainly a prime candidate for a fix. nfi who thought that's cool.
08:03 mircea_popescu in other lulz, top authors by sales in ru, 2012 : 1. Daria Donțova – 2877,9 mii de exemplare 2. Iulia Șilova – 2078,1 mii de exemplare 3. Tatiana Ustinova – 1447,6 mii de exemplare 4. Arthur Conan Doyle – 1256,7 mii de exemplare 5. Tatiana Poleakova – 1022,1 mii de exemplare.
08:03 mircea_popescu 4 women and a long dead old guy. all pulp.
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09:21 mats http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/07/06/silent-circle-blackphone-losses-layoffs-geekphone-lawsuit
09:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498509 << what did mircea_popescu expect to see in a bestseller list? euclid?
09:22 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 12:03 mircea_popescu: 4 women and a long dead old guy. all pulp.
09:22 asciilifeform the american list is very similar except that pigs will fly in orbit before an out-of-copyright conan doyle etc is permitted to appear there.
09:22 asciilifeform (not that these folks, with attention span of a gold fish, and to whom ~1900~ vintage english is foreign language, even like conan doyle)
09:23 * shinohai loves Conan Doyle, has a whole sheld of them.
09:23 shinohai *shelf
09:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't like conan doyle either.
09:23 asciilifeform well i do.
09:23 asciilifeform so there.
09:23 asciilifeform and yes it is pulp. good, ~old~ pulp.
09:23 mircea_popescu lol ok!
09:23 asciilifeform 'Sorry Privacy Lovers, The Blackphone Is Flirting With Failure' << l0l1!!!
09:23 mircea_popescu o wait, ethereum is a shitcoin therefore bitcoin something something ?
09:24 asciilifeform 'we dun need no water let the motherfucker burn!' (tm) (r)
09:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, my point was more along the lines of - books being dead. grant as much, than when the majority of practitioners in a field are female, that field is therefore dead.
09:25 mats i knew asciilifeform would enjoy that
09:25 asciilifeform when's the last time there was an intellectually significant b00k on a bestseller list? in whatever country
09:25 mircea_popescu hey, tucker max made it in the us
09:25 asciilifeform mats: i'd enjoy moar if i could get the link to load on me box
09:25 asciilifeform https://archive.is/705sF << ok, finally.
09:26 asciilifeform holy shit, they hired their own slockit ?!
09:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that last time is early 1900s if memory serves. huxley made it
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09:26 asciilifeform the huxley who died in '30s ?
09:27 mircea_popescu yeah.
09:27 asciilifeform l0l
09:27 mircea_popescu don't dis, doyle also died in 1930
09:27 asciilifeform aha.
09:28 asciilifeform 'All of the gory details come from court documents related to a fight with former partner Geeksphone, which has filed a legal complaint in New York state court over a disputed $5 million payment. Geeksphone, the Spanish company that helped build the original Blackphone, says it’s owed the money from the $30 million sale of shares in the pair’s Blackphone SA joint venture...'
09:29 asciilifeform 'Silent Circle already lost some of its key personnel in recent months. Cryptography luminary and co-founder Jon Callas departed for Apple in May and in June, CEO and President Bill Conner resigned, with Neiderman stepping in as interim chief. Co-founder Phil Zimmerman, best-known as the creator of encrypted messaging protocol PGP, remains on-board, living in the firm’s adopted home town of Geneva.'
09:29 asciilifeform lel, all but the main rat, have left the sinking shitship
09:34 asciilifeform and gotta love 'privacy! dead!'
09:34 asciilifeform how bitcoin died, when bitcoin ceo was nailgunned.
09:35 asciilifeform quite similar.
09:35 asciilifeform (or was it when bitcoin-jesus was nailed to cross??)
09:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498532 << lel i misread as 1990s, and the thing was failing to pass checksum in my head so direly, i re-read six times before 'aha'
09:36 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 13:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that last time is early 1900s if memory serves. huxley made it
09:37 mircea_popescu lol
09:40 asciilifeform re earlier, i never quite grasped why every 'classy' diddled crypto peddler has to move to geneva. just because nsa-operated crypto AG corp. is there ?
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09:40 asciilifeform is it 'dog whistle'? are these folks not even ~trying~ to fool anyone ?
09:41 asciilifeform didn't they even move hearn to geneva ?
09:41 mircea_popescu if memory serves.
09:41 asciilifeform so what gives.
09:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform prolly they have some oversized office leftover from the glory days of the fulda gap
09:41 mircea_popescu gotta economize.
09:42 asciilifeform iirc classical nsa has its entire euro research arm there.
09:42 mircea_popescu (you'd think this ridiculous, until you review the documents and notice over half us deployments of any kind are determined by what money is available)
09:42 asciilifeform but why anyone trying to convincingly push crypto-whatevers would even SET FOOT in geneva, boggles my mind
09:42 asciilifeform what happened to... ~plausible~ sc4mz0r1ng
09:42 mircea_popescu marketing.
09:43 asciilifeform it would be quite like...
09:43 asciilifeform ... a genuine pharma co. basing itself in nigeria, say.
09:44 mircea_popescu i could see this.
09:48 asciilifeform the 'slockitization' pattern, where american derps are incapable of building ANYTHING on their own, and hire 'ethiopes' to do the heavy lifting, then sprinkle whatever rubbish on top, is interestingly apparent
09:48 asciilifeform and quite like how mircea_popescu described it, long ago
09:49 mircea_popescu ethiopes would be one thing. they keep hiring sarmatians.
09:49 asciilifeform they can hire martians, same result
09:49 mircea_popescu a sort of reverse-manhattan-purchase, where the empire ~imagines~ it is buying something ; whereas the tribes accept the tribute, AND rape the women.
09:49 asciilifeform ah that. yes.
09:50 mircea_popescu been ongoing in the middle east for a while, now they're gonna give money to the iranians because no longer happy with the dudes they fed prior.
09:50 mircea_popescu such choice on this cow, which house on the street to be milked at tonight.
09:52 asciilifeform the 'in-house' portions are usually written by in-house sarmatians, also
09:53 asciilifeform consider the gaggle of asian grad students responsible for whatever portions of ethereum actually were written.
09:55 mircea_popescu aha.
09:55 mircea_popescu they were very hurt, by the way, to find out they're hated, and with a burning hatred, for participating, by the apparent hot core of coolness of the very people they thought they were emulating.
09:56 mircea_popescu the situation is EXACTLY like in http://trilema.com/2011/nuovo-cinema-paradiso/
09:56 mircea_popescu you ever saw that film ?
09:57 mircea_popescu o damn, wrong one. the old one wtf was it
09:58 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/luomo-delle-stele/ << there we go. that one, tornatore's film.
10:09 asciilifeform not sure i get it ?
10:14 mircea_popescu rome (ie, TMSR) is a famous center of culture and shining lights. because it is, but because of me not because of hussein bahamas.
10:14 mircea_popescu the peasants (ie, here, azns) aim to go to you know, THAT place.
10:15 mircea_popescu unscrupulous swindler (ie, usg) promises the latter that he's representative of the former, meanwhile he doesn't even have film in the "camera".
10:16 mircea_popescu this swindle is supposed to work in the sense that corriere della sera (ie, trilema) doesn't make it to castellamare in shitlandia.
10:16 mircea_popescu but when it does, the peasants (ie, same azns) are quite distraught to discover that what they did with the swindler not only DIDN'T get them any closer to their intended destination,
10:16 mircea_popescu but in point of fact constitutes an absolute bar to ever getting there.
10:19 thestringpuller ;;ud luchini
10:19 gribble Error: We broke The Google!
10:32 asciilifeform $up covertress
10:32 deedbot covertress voiced for 30 minutes.
10:32 asciilifeform covertress: who might you be ?
10:33 asciilifeform a coverer of tresses ?
10:36 covertress thx for the invite. just lurking. :)
10:37 covertress covertress means female spy... but, I'm no spy. am head of Krypton, KR
10:37 covertress doing to ETH what you all are doing to BTC
10:37 covertress :)
10:38 danielpbarron o.O
10:38 covertress O.o
10:38 asciilifeform what were we 'doing to btc' again?
10:38 covertress for irc purists, we're on #kryptoncoin also on slack: http://slack.krypton.rocks
10:39 covertress you're making it better, of course
10:39 danielpbarron aren't you afraid that by the time you snip out all the shit from eth there won't be just an empty file?
10:39 covertress lol
10:39 shinohai kek
10:39 covertress there is that possiblity
10:39 covertress GO needs scrapping
10:40 covertress I'm at ground zero here, looking for volunteer devs
10:40 danielpbarron well get in the WoT then
10:40 covertress idk what that is
10:40 danielpbarron $help
10:40 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
10:41 mircea_popescu wait. what ?
10:41 mircea_popescu covertress how familiar are you with the technical matters involved ?
10:42 covertress not much, I've been awol from IT for 15 years... just getting back in
10:42 danielpbarron l0l
10:42 covertress :)
10:42 covertress but, ppl are really nice, holding my hand
10:42 * danielpbarron suspects this is a gag
10:42 covertress think they like to watch me fall on my face a lot. lol
10:42 covertress nah, follow me on LI. I'm serious.
10:43 mats so you're what, PR?
10:43 covertress mostly
10:43 covertress noob founder
10:43 covertress :)
10:44 mircea_popescu covertress noob founder in the sense you've not founded anything else before ?
10:44 covertress I have industry connects, mad networking skills and no money. lol
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10:44 thestringpuller danielpbarron: re porcfest. Do you attend any other similar events? Maybe not like porcfest? But like burning man type stuff?
10:44 shinohai covertress: were you amongst those LI people here? http://qntra.net/2016/05/linkedin-dump-leaked/
10:44 covertress correct. nothing before.
10:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498625 << does this sentence stand in your eyes ? "i've great tits, wonderful body, nice face and no suitors."
10:44 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 14:44 covertress: I have industry connects, mad networking skills and no money. lol
10:45 thestringpuller danielpbarron: I really love the survival aspect of events like that, and just existing. Porcfest sounds like it takes it a step further with sessions and panels or what not...
10:45 covertress I just joined LI about 3 weeks ago.
10:45 mircea_popescu thestringpuller yeah, it'll take it the first step once they actually hunt something.
10:45 mircea_popescu covertress sorry, what's li ?
10:45 shinohai Now with moar sekoority!
10:45 covertress LinkedIn
10:45 * thestringpuller was really intrigued by danielpbarron 's blog entry on the matter
10:45 mircea_popescu ok, so you've been out of it 15 years doing what, raising a coupla kids ? what were you doing before that ?
10:45 covertress https://www.linkedin.com/in/covertress-061817114
10:46 covertress this is me^
10:46 danielpbarron thestringpuller, nope just the one, and the panels sucked. I only 'attended' the few that were just cover for me to get assassination intel/kills
10:46 covertress I took time off from IT to explore other lives... was deckhand on historic schooner, 1st mate on PT boat, therapist, rest mgr. etc
10:46 thestringpuller covertress: LOL you've met nick black!!!111
10:46 covertress no kids :P
10:46 covertress who's nick black?
10:47 covertress Gavin?
10:47 covertress lol
10:47 thestringpuller nah. he's in your network indirectly.
10:47 covertress link me
10:47 thestringpuller but he's an old mentor of mine.
10:47 thestringpuller https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickblackatl
10:47 covertress Most of bitcoin and blockchain c-level exec are in my network ;)
10:48 mircea_popescu covertress well, your attitude's lovely and all, but unfortunately a) you've bit on something you can't actually swallow and b) i see no direct way to explain this to you in such a way it'd make sense, owing to your complete lack of even vaguely related experience. what'd i build on ?
10:48 mircea_popescu you know what a hypercube is ?
10:48 covertress thx! just sent him connect request :)
10:49 covertress mircea_popescu: I get that a lot. but, no one knows how determined I am. :)
10:49 mats lol
10:49 mircea_popescu ikr?
10:49 shinohai You get hypercubes a lot?
10:49 mircea_popescu lol.
10:49 mats fun fact, ethereum is a scam
10:50 mats good luck with that
10:50 mircea_popescu anyway, the situation here is that you're a restaurant manager doing ok, and one day a guy walks in and convinces you to go into business to open your own chain of restaurants built inside tessaract buildings.
10:50 covertress lol
10:50 mats btc history repeats on small intervals, 'ripple' and 'stellar' were ethereum before ethereum, etc...
10:50 mircea_popescu fact is... you're now fucked. it's not trivial to explain to restaurant manager why abstract 4 dimensional figures can not be built down the street.
10:51 covertress if you all think ETH is a scam, then I think I found the right room :)
10:51 thestringpuller mats: unfortunately, it seems the trend has revealed more people like to spend time hyping things up rather than actually building something useful for customers.
10:51 shinohai thestringpuller: eg, "cryptocurrency"
10:52 thestringpuller "blockchain" "internet of things" "easy money" "get rich quick" "work from home 2 hours a day"
10:52 shinohai Banks HATE him!
10:53 trinque https://youtu.be/KpvAR5KqkBQ << parable on determination
10:53 covertress I met so many companies at Concensus who are convinced they need blockchain because it's the latest thing (internet 2.0 in their minds) but, they have no idea how to implement
10:53 mats thats a clue you're in a room full of dunces
10:53 mircea_popescu so how long have you been doing the "being excited online" + "going to conventions" bit ?
10:54 covertress lol
10:54 mircea_popescu mats i recall the last time i was in a roomfull of engineers who decided they needed concrete but didn't know how to pour it. we were about seven, playing on riverside.
10:54 mats i'm sure these were just mbas
10:55 mats but i concede thats hopeful
10:55 covertress then explain the obscene amounts of money being thrown at blockchain tech
10:55 mircea_popescu well... also don't underestimate their determination.
10:55 covertress don't you want some?
10:55 mats want what?
10:55 shinohai my sides
10:55 mircea_popescu covertress a) it's not actual money and b) a dying empire bleeds money. they spent some on the taliban, too.
10:56 mircea_popescu if you find the time to read the log, the whole turkey dollars thing's discussed periodically. even recently re the linkedin "billion" sale.
10:57 covertress ok, now we're just getting into a semantic debate.
10:57 covertress I'll be back... going to play with my little project now. nice chatting with you all. :)
10:58 mircea_popescu for that matter, see http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ ; fact is you're playing today in a novel written years ago, among others by yours truly. see the part that starts with "yet another one of them".
11:03 mircea_popescu $up webbyz
11:03 deedbot webbyz voiced for 30 minutes.
11:03 webbyz O.o
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11:36 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: If consumers revolt against an obfuscated enemy, what ends up happening to the consumer overall?
11:36 thestringpuller I've found that Bitcoin is also anti-consumerist...
11:36 mircea_popescu i dunno. if a bunch of blondies decide to inspect the abandoned house in the middle of the night, what usually happens to them ?
11:36 shinohai Death to capitalism!
11:36 mircea_popescu other than the screaming, i mean.
11:36 thestringpuller i mean yes. but the "future of the consumer" seems nonexistent.
11:37 mircea_popescu quite.
11:37 thestringpuller that is the consumer goes extinct.
11:37 shinohai You say that like it's a bad thing.
11:38 thestringpuller Not at all. It just seems there is no room at all for consumerism, if you use Bitcoin correctly.
11:40 thestringpuller As chappelle once said, "You can't just choke all your problems away. It takes hard work."
11:40 * trinque thanks covertress for today's lesson on money printing and malinvestment
11:41 shinohai For only $19.95 trinque I can sell you money tree!
11:42 thestringpuller Consumers rely on blind trust based on recent observations. That is they want to deposit money in black box X, to retrieve Y. If black box fails their expectations, its because they didn't perform their due diligence in researching the black box.
11:45 trinque http://krypton.rocks/ << oh christ, it's an alt-eth
11:51 mircea_popescu superman logo i hope ?
11:52 thestringpuller oh man what an insult to superman
11:53 thestringpuller you know cause if you know anything about krypton, jal-el superman's dad, told the great kryptonian cousuel "the world is going to end and we can prevent it" and they were all like "Um no. You're insane".
11:53 thestringpuller Well he sends kal-el (superman) to earth, cause krypton goes boom cause people didn't listen.
12:02 phf death to videodrome! long live the new flesh!
12:03 mircea_popescu well, all i know on the topic is that "krypton" is a superman thing
12:04 mircea_popescu in more news in the same vein, http://www.confessionpost.com/12103/my-wife-is-finally-turning-tricks
12:05 shinohai ^ he just wanted to be cucked.
12:14 deedbot [Trilema] тошно - http://trilema.com/2016/%d1%82%d0%be%d1%88%d0%bd%d0%be/
12:20 * phf test
12:21 mats covertress: you should direct your efforts to something more productive than trying to jam your hands in a money printer not meant for you
12:21 mircea_popescu wait... isn't that the female imperative ?
12:28 mircea_popescu "First launched on 31 August 2012 at Bali Strait, 63M Carbon Fibre Composite Trimaran Fast Missile Boat (Indonesian: Kapal Cepat Rudal [KCR]) named KRI Klewang (625) - a traditional Indonesian single edge sword, was the first stealth trimaran of the Indonesian Navy built by North Sea Boats at Banyuwangi, East Java, Indonesia. This ship combined a number of existing advance technologies into a single, unique platform; a wave-p
12:28 mircea_popescu iercer trimaran hull from, constructed exclusively of infused vinylester carbon fibre cored sandwich materials for all structural elements, with external "stealth" geometry and features intended to reduce detection. The KRI Klewang (625) caught fire because of an electrical short-circuit in the engine room during a maintenance period on September 28, 2012 and was a total loss."
12:29 mircea_popescu basically, ustards came up with this genius idea of "build warship on form of amateur raft", everyone's copying it now.
12:29 mircea_popescu thanks god the technologies were so advanced.
12:29 mircea_popescu maybe next they build a cherry bomb shaped aircraft carrier. complete with the fuse.
12:35 mircea_popescu anyway. this entire idiocy started with the triton in the late 90s. british engineering.
12:41 ben_vulpes > car bon fibre cored sandwich materials for all structural elements
12:41 ben_vulpes > electrical fire
12:41 ben_vulpes i'm going to be someone tried to ground to the frame.
12:42 ben_vulpes or or or lazily clipped something to the frame figuring "hey, it's plastic-y, should be insulative."
12:42 ben_vulpes anyways, shame about the brits. they once made wonders like the black arrow.
12:48 mircea_popescu the 60s are a long way away.
12:48 mircea_popescu but no, how'd ground to frame short it ? carbon fibre's a dielectric
12:50 mircea_popescu http://www.nature.com/articles/srep14927 << nb article on the topic, actually.
12:52 ben_vulpes well randomly distributed means that there's not quite as much surface area of c/c in the matrix
12:52 ben_vulpes whereas sheet cf is simply high resistance once you scratch through the epoxy and touch some carbon
12:53 ben_vulpes heats up, catches fire.
12:53 mircea_popescu but for this you'd need a closed circuit...
12:53 mircea_popescu hm
12:54 mircea_popescu you know, that'd be pretty lulzy if that's how it went down.
12:55 ben_vulpes sure. does imply a closed circuit. eg someone else doing the same thing elsewhere
12:55 ben_vulpes i forget the specific details of what caused the fire i saw.
12:55 ben_vulpes but the core element was "cf is a resistor it turns out!"
12:55 mircea_popescu the insanity of going to war in something mom croched for you however.... the mind boggles.
12:56 ben_vulpes to the mechanical engineer, an insulator is just a resistor with a high ohmic value.
12:56 ben_vulpes that is before he lights the cf panels aflame with current.
12:56 mircea_popescu lol
12:56 ben_vulpes not actually a fence i pissed on myself.
12:58 ben_vulpes anyways, subject of isotropically distributed CF, i don't think we've don "carbon fiber forging" or more accurately described "injection-molded CF": http://www.quantumcomposites.com/pdf/papers/2011-ASC-montreal-forged-suspens.pdf
13:00 mircea_popescu holy shit. til puskin was part african.
13:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, descended from 'arap' - fella given to peter I as slave, but whom he ennobled instead
13:00 mircea_popescu aha.
13:01 asciilifeform this is quite well known to ru schoolchildren
13:01 mircea_popescu is this the roman buttseks or just peter weird ?
13:01 asciilifeform afaik - the weird
13:01 mircea_popescu peter was pretty weird.
13:01 mircea_popescu lucky him he didn't live these days, what a fine hitler icon they could have cut out of his hide.
13:02 asciilifeform he'd make book covers from ~their~ hides.
13:02 asciilifeform all of them.
13:02 mircea_popescu nah. he wouldn't understand how carbon fiber catamaran "warships" work.
13:03 asciilifeform would prolly go from musket to graser beam in a year.
13:03 mircea_popescu nah, he'd be friends with bahamas. "oh look, clever guy ALSO built capital in middle of swamp"
13:06 asciilifeform peter1 had an actual ~reason~
13:07 asciilifeform unlike the british imbeciles
13:07 mircea_popescu i suspect so did the colonists. "make it shitty so nobody wants to be there"
13:07 asciilifeform it is not difficult to determine why they build d.c. in swamp
13:07 mircea_popescu early us history is deeply against everything the us ended up.
13:07 asciilifeform it was for same reason as building aerosubmarinebullzdozers for $trillion
13:07 mircea_popescu ie, the original idea was much more a la tmsr than a la usg.
13:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform how you reason ?
13:08 asciilifeform washington owned a swamp.
13:08 asciilifeform and not much else.
13:08 asciilifeform sold it for $$$$$
13:08 asciilifeform (he married into his lands)
13:09 mircea_popescu i thought he was with teh fairfaxen
13:10 asciilifeform he was
13:11 mircea_popescu hm.
13:14 mircea_popescu anyway, stupid idea to allow the feds their own land.
13:14 mircea_popescu one pennsylvania mutiny each decade'd have kept the cancer in check.
13:15 asciilifeform incidentally, the embryo of modern usg was already quite discernible in shay's rebellion and whiskey rebellion
13:15 asciilifeform (washington's life !)
13:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, the summa of the thing being that they (stupidly) decided to give the feds ten mile square ; the northerners wanted it in a big city, the slave interest down south. eventuyally hamilton managed to trade the south undertaking a share of the northern foreign debt in exchange for putting the capital down by virgina.
13:16 mircea_popescu dun seem washington has much into all of this, does it ?
13:17 asciilifeform iirc he had to do with the ten mile square being give in the first place.
13:17 asciilifeform and was reimbursed.
13:17 mircea_popescu hm.
13:17 mircea_popescu course as president he'd chose where it went.
13:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/%d1%82%d0%be%d1%88%d0%bd%d0%be/#comment-117977
13:26 mircea_popescu aaanswert.
13:27 asciilifeform http://a1.a4w.ro/assets/vacantalamare/2013/05/20/image_galleries/63/vara-aduce-reprezentari-surprinzatoare-ale-imaginii-idealului-feminin-gusturile-nu-se-discuta.jpg << lol, stabilopod !
13:27 mircea_popescu lol. so it is!
13:27 mircea_popescu my #1 wonderment leaving the country, incidentally, was that ~nobody uses these.
13:27 mircea_popescu it was an utter shock, they're so cheap and effectual i fully expected EVERY shoreline EVERYWHERE is protected by them
13:28 asciilifeform answrd (contains very gnarly link, went to mod queue)
13:30 asciilifeform http://www.rbc.ru/politics/01/06/2016/574e178d9a794737a9662fe0?from=newsfeed << pilot program started june 1, in october - expands to residents of eastern ru; in feb 2017 - all citizens of ru.
13:30 mircea_popescu gotta be citizen egh
13:31 asciilifeform there was some other thing where if you signed up for the above, they'd make you citizen.
13:31 mircea_popescu i want to be a ru citizen just about as much as i want to be an us citizen.
13:31 asciilifeform i suspect that mircea_popescu is not the target audience.
13:31 asciilifeform (though i have nfi who is.)
13:31 mircea_popescu likely not.
13:32 mircea_popescu in general "get free land" sorta deal is you know, a jew-targetted thing. also how china started its rise.
13:32 asciilifeform strangely, the jews massively and collectively turned down uruguay and argentina during ww2
13:32 mircea_popescu also, a hectare ? wtf is that. we're talking by the dc, 10kmsq.
13:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can see why ; locals are ~goats.
13:33 asciilifeform why would that make a difference ?
13:33 asciilifeform esp when you're being gassed
13:33 asciilifeform nowhere is it written that you gotta interface with the locals
13:33 mircea_popescu plenty of people would rather die.
13:33 asciilifeform the german exiles didn't
13:33 mircea_popescu heh.
13:34 mircea_popescu it is written in teh torah, "you gotta interface with the locals."
13:34 asciilifeform dunno, it also has 'put them infidels to the sword'
13:36 mircea_popescu 05.07.2016 Подано более двух тысяч заявок на получение «дальневосточного гектара» << lol.
13:36 asciilifeform what, mircea_popescu thought there would be a million takers ?
13:36 mircea_popescu ahahaha "grow open field strawberries. initial investment 1mn rubles"
13:37 mircea_popescu 14k ? wtf do you buy for 14k in far east ?
13:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform holy shit the jewish region's in there!
13:37 mircea_popescu i got it right, straight by amur etc.
13:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps it will add some wtf to the mix if i add that these are ~virgin~ lands, with no communications (not even, in most places, any mains current or plumbing)
13:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform guessed as much.
13:38 asciilifeform the most you can expect is something like a road, somewhere nearby.
13:38 shinohai https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/751105138341900288 "Windows Defender is reporting False Positives due to our DDOS CDN mitigation settings. "
13:38 mircea_popescu so what, take 14k usd, go to eritrea, buy 700 women and 700 donkeys ?
13:38 asciilifeform nah, eritrea has proper comms
13:38 mircea_popescu magadan too
13:38 asciilifeform and not big enough, at any rate, to be too far from a place that does
13:39 asciilifeform afaik most of the parcels are not near magadan
13:39 mircea_popescu anyway, the deal'd only be interesting if it came with renounciation of ru sovereignity claims.
13:39 asciilifeform this is also a thing, unofficially, but you gotta be chinese to play.
13:39 mircea_popescu "buy enough land - get your own autonomous oblast" would be a decent deal.
13:39 asciilifeform they have at least 1 going.
13:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so i hear.
13:40 mircea_popescu note the deeply pernicious nature of fiat pretenders. they'll yield, BUT ONLY TO ANOTHER ONE.
13:40 mircea_popescu how exactly do they expect to not be massacred like the jews, when they behave exactly like the massacred jews ?
13:40 asciilifeform 'the art of not being governed' had a lengthy and imho quite pointed discussion of this.
13:41 asciilifeform all statists are in many important ways part of same octopus.
13:41 mircea_popescu aha
13:41 asciilifeform consider the usgtronic popular term 'failed state'
13:41 asciilifeform typically it refers to pockets of actual freedom.
13:41 mircea_popescu "we failed to state it"
13:41 asciilifeform aha.
13:42 asciilifeform 'failed state' is about hillary not daring to land there and derp on a podium.
13:42 mircea_popescu quite so.
13:42 asciilifeform not about sanitation, or whatever else practical thing.
13:42 mircea_popescu much like "corruption". when derps destroy ro nuclear agency, it's fine. when derps organize booing of hilary's podium, OMAYGERD CORRUPT OFFICIALS
13:43 asciilifeform or, elementarily, afghani, then iraqi, then libyan, then syrian, terrorists are usg-sponsored 'rebels' so long as they are setting the desired kind of controlledchaos fires.
13:43 asciilifeform and after that - again 'terrorists'
13:43 asciilifeform etc.
13:47 mircea_popescu lmao til alecsandri (romanian poet) hated pushkin also!
13:47 mircea_popescu apparently there's a lot of bad blood there. i had nfi.
13:48 mircea_popescu "Fiind mai negru ca ţiganii ce-ai tot cerşit la noi cu anii, tu, cel primit cu dor de sus nici bogdaproste nu ne-ai spus. Cu dar de pâine şi de sare, cu vin din beciul nostru mare te-am ospătat. Iar tu în zori râzând, te-ai scîrnăvit în flori. Apoi prin codri de milenii ai tot umblat de dragul lelii. Ei, vezi atunci? Pun mâna-n foc: tu n-ai fost cal arab, ci porc!"
13:50 mircea_popescu ~ darker than the gypsies (slaves, at the time), you spent years begging around here, you, well received yet failed to profer as much as thanks. we fed you bread and salt (i dunno, it's a romanian thing) and wine from our ample cave, but when the morn came you took a shit in the flowerbed, laughing. then through thousand year old forests walked to no apparent benefit (literally, for love of the ho), and so there you see : no
13:50 mircea_popescu purebreed, but pig you are.
13:52 mircea_popescu talented fellow, this, managed to get everyone pissed off.
13:53 asciilifeform he had some pretty good trollage
13:53 mircea_popescu anyway, the moldavians are apparently pissed because he said the boo boo about chisinau.
13:53 asciilifeform the 'pig' remark was, i suspect, an answer to his thing that was in the spirit of http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations
13:53 mircea_popescu not that a) i can even for a second imagine it wasn't entirely merited nor b) reached at any point the level of my disdain for argentinians.
13:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno, really. it's a pot calling kettle black situation, neither side of this debate is in much position to claim cultural ancientitude.
13:56 mircea_popescu moldavia is no transilvania much like the philippines are no japan.
13:57 mircea_popescu god damned thing was created centuries ago. by the fucking maramures people, the rough equivalent of being the darian colony, founded by the scots.
13:57 mircea_popescu darien*
14:09 mircea_popescu here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
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14:09 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/r4dbW
14:10 mircea_popescu spoken by greek military junta man to political prisoners.
14:11 mircea_popescu amusingly, ended ~exactly same way the argentinian right wing military experiment ended : with the loss of an island
14:15 asciilifeform from same page: '"First," he said, "because it is not fit that I should sit as a judge and nobody to be hanged; secondly, you must be hanged because you have a damned hanging look; thirdly, you must be hanged because I am hungry. There's a law for ye, ye dog. Take him away.'
14:15 mircea_popescu lol
14:16 mircea_popescu ironically - democratic greece is a fucking eyesore when compared to "tyrannyzed" greece.
14:17 asciilifeform what's the practical difference ?
14:17 asciilifeform orc shithole then as now.
14:17 mircea_popescu yeah, but at least the "common man" got beaten regularly.
14:17 mircea_popescu catering to the common man is the capital fucking crime.
14:17 asciilifeform but what was the palpable difference ?
14:17 asciilifeform cheaper bauxite ?
14:18 mircea_popescu purely aesthetic.
14:18 mircea_popescu i'm a man of taste.
14:18 asciilifeform lolk
14:18 mircea_popescu here's the thing : bronco riding is a time-dependent event. do it for too short intervals, the bronco gets the idea it's tough.
14:18 mircea_popescu once started, must be ridden to death. literally.
14:18 mircea_popescu whereas all these shitty attempts - not a decade in greece, not a decade in argentina etc. bullcrap.
14:19 mircea_popescu twenty years and 10% or more civillian casualties. THEN you'll see the difference
14:19 asciilifeform dunno, made for a germany of capons
14:19 mircea_popescu otherwise, it's just gonna be typical "democratic" drivel.
14:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but that was teh intended effect neh ?
14:19 asciilifeform or, not so anxious to move to modern ru? where they did 1000+ years
14:20 mircea_popescu the bronco-country comparison breaks down
14:20 mircea_popescu who could have predictered.
14:20 asciilifeform perhaps i'm missing some detail.
14:20 mircea_popescu (o btw, greece resigned from eu around this time)
14:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform perhaps i am!
14:21 asciilifeform waiwut?!
14:21 asciilifeform just now?
14:21 asciilifeform grexit?!
14:21 asciilifeform brekekekekexit koaxit koaxit!1111111
14:21 mircea_popescu nana, then.
14:21 mircea_popescu during junta years.
14:21 asciilifeform hm.
14:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/#comment-117980 << looks like went in wrong thread ?
14:22 mircea_popescu it's quite in-fucking-credible, to compare newsprint of 1970 to 2016.
14:23 mircea_popescu heh i had the wrong page up.
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14:42 thestringpuller "Quite funny that a random altcoin exchange like poloniex is far more profitable than a company that has raised more than 100 million USD." << in coinbase "we need more money plz" news.
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14:45 mircea_popescu lol, they cautiously avoided noticing this while mpex was publicly traded, NOW it's a point of discussion ? color me flattered, what.
14:46 asciilifeform #1 rule of derpatronics - dun EVER mention mpex
14:46 asciilifeform in whatever context.
14:46 asciilifeform next you'll wonder why forbes et al dun cite qntra.
14:47 asciilifeform if you unmention it long and vigorously enough, it'll unhappen!111
14:47 asciilifeform or sumthinglikethat.
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15:07 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498902 <<< sauce?
15:07 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 18:42 thestringpuller: "Quite funny that a random altcoin exchange like poloniex is far more profitable than a company that has raised more than 100 million USD." << in coinbase "we need more money plz" news.
15:13 mircea_popescu unhappenstance!
15:23 mircea_popescu and now in the lulz of all time, argentine government pays youtube to advertise to argentinians about how 200 years ago they gained their independence "y lo es muy bueno"
15:23 mircea_popescu luati o muie bai, independentii pulii.
15:23 shinohai http://archive.is/inUi1 <<< this must be Qntra'd! The lulz
15:24 mircea_popescu bwahahaha
15:24 mircea_popescu stupidest shit ever
15:26 shinohai "Freud suggested that the project's success or failure would be determined by the impact on those receiving welfare payments." which will be zero, I'm certain.
15:27 mircea_popescu in the general sense, bitcoin taking over everything mainstream is unavoidable ; in the same general sense, various fiat pretenders etc doing most of the work involved for entirely no benefit is also how things work.
15:27 mircea_popescu so... cheers.
15:28 shinohai I kinda thought Bitcoin is supposed to *destroy* the welfare state, not perpetuate it.
15:30 trinque poison kills well before the ratio of poison to person is 1
15:30 trinque look at 'em imitate; it's cute!
15:40 phf test
15:48 mircea_popescu wtf is with phf lol
15:49 mircea_popescu shinohai well, while the fiats last, they get to play.
15:49 phf i'm tired of asciilifeform's abuse, i'm getting log recovery squared away
15:49 phf squared out?
15:49 phf something like that
15:52 mircea_popescu cool deal.
~ 52 minutes ~
16:45 ben_vulpes phf: you square
16:57 mats ;;ticker --market all
16:58 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 618.0, vol: 12077.46820124 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 604.559, vol: 11371.05227 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.7, vol: 68145.21388952 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.0, vol: 6.69 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 619.367936, vol: 48181.48080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 617.87, vol: 2779.5680272 | Volume-weighted last average: 617.721224152
16:58 mats ;;ticker
16:58 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 619.09, Best ask: 619.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 619.0, 24 hour volume: 68146.85134638, 24 hour low: 610.1, 24 hour high: 682.0, 24 hour vwap: None
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18:12 pete_dushenski https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/06/many-americans-will-tell-you-having-kids-made-them-happier-theyre-probably-lying/ << ben_vulpes might have a foxy actress cum houseperson and a panda to call his own, but that doesn't make him happy!!elevan
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18:13 pete_dushenski blame the septagenarian struggle to lead the lemmings off the cliff or mordor's highest peak. or just blame potato science 'experts' spouting off about whatever the fuck happiness is in the first place.
18:14 pete_dushenski "In 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated that a middle-income American family is likely to spend $234,900 to raise a child born in 2011 to age 17. If the kid goes to college, that figure may double." << though half a mil on a sjw you couldn't bring yourself to kill would suck the life force out of a sultan.
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18:16 pete_dushenski "The good news, the researchers say, is that there is nothing inevitable about the parental happiness gap. And there may be some relatively achievable solutions for improving the happiness of American parents – like subsidizing childcare, or expanding access to paid vacation and sick leave." << moar socialism is the problem, researchers say. the solution ? even moarrrr!
18:17 pete_dushenski right points at left saying "those solutions worked in the past, but times are different and they'd never work THIS TIME". left points at right saying "your solutions have never worked and will never work because the only thing that's changed is the colour of your smelly socks"
18:20 pete_dushenski http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-was-your-smartphone-made-nobody-really-knows-1467832310 << in similar 'it's not whether we're effective but what's on the inside that counts' nyooz
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18:20 pete_dushenski $s fairphone
18:20 a111 1 results for "fairphone", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fairphone
18:21 pete_dushenski huh. coulda sworn it was in here before. not the first i've heard of it but ah well.
18:22 pete_dushenski looks like the last pre-halving broomstick is right on schedule
18:25 pete_dushenski http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2016/07/yuval_levin_on_1.html << not a bad episode for the armchair anthropologist log reader. the girl and i took away different key messages (her : pure individualism leads to ruin, i : pure mega-statalism leads to ruin), but it was full of reasonably well-articulated arguments from inside the american echo chamber
18:26 pete_dushenski of course, it would be given that russ roberts and yuval levin are both jooz.
18:29 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498271 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/23/wrip-wrap/
18:29 a111 Logged on 2016-07-06 16:56 ben_vulpes: also panda?
18:29 pete_dushenski $up luke-jr
18:29 deedbot luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes.
18:32 pete_dushenski in other titties, bitbet2 is finally ratcheting up their fee to 2% come august
18:37 pete_dushenski and goddam frenchies beating ze germans. wtf was that about ? colour me unimpressed with the negroes in blue who only won because the crowds and refs won it for them
18:38 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> blame the septagenarian struggle to lead the lemmings off the cliff or mordor's highest peak. or just blame potato science 'experts' spouting off about whatever the fuck happiness is in the first place. << Or give in and get a set of potato nails
18:38 BingoBoingo $up Chicago Your city is a shithole
18:39 deedbot Chicago voiced for 30 minutes.
18:39 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: stan would beg to differ.
18:39 trinque ignoring unused arguments; it's a feature!
18:40 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Because Stan is used to the captital swamp region. Compared to that Chicago is likely paradise.
18:41 pete_dushenski i think a wet cardboard box would be paradise compared to dc
18:42 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clBF38sqqw << "you people"
18:42 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: DC is a swamp so wet box could very well be in DC
18:45 pete_dushenski are potato nails that uncommon for bbq(ing) parents ?
18:46 pete_dushenski seems like a sane way to cook the inside of the tater so it's not mushy and gross but wdik
18:46 * pete_dushenski doesn't like baked potatoes, can't stand mashed potatoes
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18:49 ben_vulpes oh yeah
18:49 ben_vulpes mine has an own
18:49 ben_vulpes owl*
18:50 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: bitbet 'twas in the log!
18:50 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2016#1451869
18:50 ben_vulpes *a* log, at least.
18:50 pete_dushenski ahahahaha dude... why would i be reading b-a logs ?
18:51 pete_dushenski and a log is not THE log
18:51 pete_dushenski i get that it's like 13sec of reading per day, but still.
18:51 ben_vulpes causes not purposes
18:52 ben_vulpes because kakobrekla takes such dreeeeeamy pictures
18:54 pete_dushenski lol to each there own
18:54 pete_dushenski their*
18:55 pete_dushenski there's no their they're!
18:59 shinohai Yup thought I'd never catch up on those #b-a lawgz lately
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19:18 Joshua-I Serious lag on deedbot for a min
19:22 BingoBoingo Still faster than a fiat notary public
19:25 pete_dushenski only because notary publics have nfi what lisp is
19:27 BingoBoingo Sure they do. It's what counsin Sal(ly) picked up when zhe was on the swim team and show choir.
19:27 Joshua-I True BingoBoingo last time I had to do that it was at least 15mins signing the thing not to mention the pointless talk before hand
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19:30 trinque deedbot is responding for me in about 1sec
19:30 mircea_popescu $deed hellokitty
19:30 deedbot Bad URL or network outage.
19:31 mircea_popescu 10 seconds
19:31 trinque $key trinque
19:31 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/40787e16-7358-482d-833c-367a429ca03e/
19:31 trinque depends on what ya command
19:31 mircea_popescu trinque :D just trolling you a little
19:31 mircea_popescu (i imagine this was a network timeout mostly)
19:32 trinque halp internet bully
19:32 mircea_popescu lol
19:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform asnwer't!
19:35 pete_dushenski http://www.nature.com/articles/srep27608 << in other 'why u so big' related matters
19:37 pete_dushenski "Microscopic investigation suggests the possibility that the tip of the hyper-elongated penis is softer than the rest of it, and our numerical model confirms that this type of distribution of stiffness gradient aids in faster propulsion than other types. This result indicates that previously ignored physical properties of genital materials are of crucial importance in evolutionary studies of genitalia." <
19:37 pete_dushenski < taaaaake it!!
19:37 mircea_popescu heh
19:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498935 << more like a case of "ustards telling you something enmasse, they're DEFINITELY lying. much better odds they are saying it for some meta reason (such as, they read it in the latest cookbook, is the way to make friends out of plywood and influenza people) than for the direct.
19:39 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 22:12 pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/06/many-americans-will-tell-you-having-kids-made-them-happier-theyre-probably-lying/ << ben_vulpes might have a foxy actress cum houseperson and a panda to call his own, but that doesn't make him happy!!elevan
19:39 mircea_popescu a nation of liars, as it were.
19:39 mircea_popescu well... technically speaking word magicians, but the difference's negligible.
19:41 pete_dushenski lying to themselves first, infecting each other with rabies second.
19:41 mircea_popescu dap
19:42 pete_dushenski so of course, "don't beat them, they're people too" persists. it's self-perpetuum-immobile!
19:42 mircea_popescu potato science is right
19:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498937 << note that they conveniently left out the last year. as per multiple reports, THAT is the capper.
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19:43 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 22:14 pete_dushenski: "In 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated that a middle-income American family is likely to spend $234,900 to raise a child born in 2011 to age 17. If the kid goes to college, that figure may double." << though half a mil on a sjw you couldn't bring yourself to kill would suck the life force out of a sultan.
19:43 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/08/why-government-funded-research-is-totally-fucking-borked/ << 'potato science' ref for log readers
19:44 mircea_popescu shinohai / BingoBoingo "improve it's security"
19:45 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: 'we'd share more recent data but it's an electionocution year and we're busy making bonfires out of our research'
19:46 pete_dushenski after 2012, it's just write down the highest number our impoverished bureaucrats can count to and go with that.
19:47 pete_dushenski no money for 'studies'
19:57 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty, fxd. Pls to check
19:59 pete_dushenski https://security.googleblog.com/2016/07/experimenting-with-post-quantum.html << in still other 'your tax dollars at work' snooze
20:00 pete_dushenski "Today we're announcing an experiment in Chrome where a small fraction of connections between desktop Chrome and Google's servers will use a post-quantum key-exchange algorithm in addition to the elliptic-curve key-exchange algorithm that would typically be used. By adding a post-quantum algorithm on top of the existing one, we are able to experiment without affecting user security. The post-quantum algor
20:00 pete_dushenski ithm might turn out to be breakable even with today's computers, in which case the elliptic-curve algorithm will still provide the best security that today’s technology can offer." << l0l!!!
20:01 pete_dushenski 'we're trying to break the broken to see if the more broken is really more broken or if we should stick with our current broken.'
20:09 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lol
20:10 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski this entire "post quantum" thing reminds one sorely of the "post-ozone-layer" and "post-year-2k-bug" lolpocalypses.
20:11 pete_dushenski then ima start selling 'back-up crypto generators' with no return policies for $2k a pop
20:11 pete_dushenski then we'll see who's a kulak!
20:12 mircea_popescu heh
20:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498940 << pretty lulzy. 'transparent' in the manner of 'organic food' (see l0gz) - in strictly the carefully-selected useless ways
20:12 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 22:20 pete_dushenski: http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-was-your-smartphone-made-nobody-really-knows-1467832310 << in similar 'it's not whether we're effective but what's on the inside that counts' nyooz
20:12 asciilifeform 'here, learn where the ~metals~ (supposedly) come from. but don't ask about how they are arranged, terrorist.'
20:13 asciilifeform meanwhile someone is laughing all the way to the bank, selling raw materials for 2-3x their normal price by affixing 'fair trade' shiny sticker. previously this only worked for food, and only in a few locales, in usa, where folks temporarily have more money than sense
20:14 Joshua-I What's the opinion on pgp smart cards / yubikey around here
20:14 pete_dushenski same phenomenon is also seen in building materials, actually increasingly so
20:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the "restrict mining market" thing, as experimented by crown jool debeers, is a major schtick because of its implications for oil, russia and in general. remember how just about when independent countries gathered enough technological mommentum to build exportable lightbulbs, the item "had to be upgraded" ?
20:14 asciilifeform 'What really makes Fairphone different is its marketing of radical transparency. For the first time, I’m thinking about what’s inside my phone, where it came from and who touched it before I did. '
20:14 asciilifeform 'know'
20:14 asciilifeform Joshua-I: see logs
20:14 mircea_popescu that's the whole principle - you can not do things by yourself! this is swedish socialism and "we" gotta be!
20:15 pete_dushenski mommyntum
20:15 Joshua-I asciilifeform: sorry, I really need to habituate that
20:17 asciilifeform Joshua-I: main problem is that it is a single-chip item that is not in any meaningful way inspectable.
20:18 asciilifeform (unless you own an electron microscope and have a few year's worth of free time. in which case you can inspect YOUR PARTICULAR example.)
20:19 mircea_popescu there's abundant objections to the damned things.
20:19 mircea_popescu "o look, the cookie model is bullshit, so they fixed it by making a dongle. cuz we all know dongles work, atari proved it!"
20:20 asciilifeform there are other problems, but the logz seem to be missing the main thread, so i will summarize a few: it is physically impossible to fit a serious rng in the thing, regardless of how constructed; the pc knows that a dedicated crypto hardware item is connected, and if attacker controls it he can sign/decrypt whatever the hell he wants with your card; and a bunch more.
20:20 Joshua-I Yeah obviously
20:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498964 << mashed potatoes are the devil's own spawn.
20:20 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 22:46 pete_dushenski doesn't like baked potatoes, can't stand mashed potatoes
20:20 Joshua-I In combination with wot I don't think it's half bad though
20:21 mircea_popescu combination how ?
20:22 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: amen. shit's right up there with gravy and... that's it really. top two 'normally' ingested poisons : mashed potatoes and gravy. fucking incredible that they're oft eaten together.
20:22 Joshua-I Well if you're staunchly against having offices then it's crap, but if you're not it certainly works better than paper id
20:22 mircea_popescu do you count worchestershire as gravy ?
20:22 pete_dushenski nope
20:22 mircea_popescu aok then.
20:22 mircea_popescu Joshua-I you mean wgat, like access control cards sorta application ?
20:23 Joshua-I Yea
20:24 mircea_popescu god i hate those things. from an institutional perspective - all anyone has to do to open all your doors is cut the power. from an individual perspective fuck me i'm not going in the rat maze.
20:24 asciilifeform phun phakt: not ONE door access card maker in usa, afaik, uses crypto of any kind whatsoever.
20:24 asciilifeform all hardcoded string.
20:24 asciilifeform i suspect that it is shadow-mandated somehow.
20:24 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: 'gravy' is really leftover cooking fat (from baking) mixed with corn starch and 'seasoning'
20:24 mircea_popescu possibly the most usg-tronic item in existence today. i'd rather have doberman patrols.
20:24 Joshua-I Cut the power? It'd have to be very poorly designed for that to work
20:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cutting the power, in any sane place, does not open the locks
20:25 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it can be many things. chet made some pretty epic gravy. you're right in that it's rendered fat as the fat base ; with a starch. this is how all sauces are made.
20:25 Joshua-I I hope they don't make elevators lmao
20:25 asciilifeform all doors in usa must be openable ~from inside~ per fire code; but other than that, nope
20:25 mircea_popescu Joshua-I think about it, it's either fail deadly or fail safe. if there's no power it can either lock or unlock. which do you pick ?
20:25 mircea_popescu unlock is the safer.
20:25 asciilifeform it dun 'unlock', it stays locked (from outside) and openable (mechanically, press the fire bar) from inside.
20:26 asciilifeform of all the problems with electric locks, this is not one !
20:26 Joshua-I If you need it that safe lock is reasonable, if you don't then what do you care
20:26 mircea_popescu yeah well, i've seen the item i describe!
20:26 mircea_popescu alcatel building in timisoara, had the exact problem when power went out.
20:26 Joshua-I You can just as easily bust down a door
20:26 asciilifeform l0l!
20:26 Joshua-I Get insurance etc
20:26 mircea_popescu and they're AN INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATICS SHOP!
20:26 asciilifeform must be very special euro fire code
20:26 asciilifeform Join Moar EU.
20:27 mircea_popescu what can i tell you. i dun think it's sensible, but seen with own eyes hard to go away.
20:27 asciilifeform i worked in a corp where the doors were run by a winblows ME box.
20:28 asciilifeform running continuously since 1990s.
20:28 asciilifeform hidden in a closet.
20:28 Joshua-I This place is somehow more addictive and habit forming than twitter
20:28 Joshua-I It's like a stimulating predicate logic twitter
20:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1499009 << you mean, the year they stopped bothering to cook up the numbers ?
20:29 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 23:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498937 << note that they conveniently left out the last year. as per multiple reports, THAT is the capper.
20:29 mircea_popescu lol
20:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no i mean from 17yo to 18yo when dudes want car and bitches need prom dress + abortion.
20:30 asciilifeform but yes, this is not the first 'news' article that cites stats circa 2012 or earlier
20:30 asciilifeform i was looking at baltimore crime data and it more or less tapers off around that time
20:30 asciilifeform unless i missed something
20:30 asciilifeform ah hm
20:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498984 << back in romania i had to spend ~2 hours each year signing the yearly reports of corps. i am not kidding, a literal two hours. thousands of signatures.
20:32 a111 Logged on 2016-07-07 23:27 Joshua-I: True BingoBoingo last time I had to do that it was at least 15mins signing the thing not to mention the pointless talk before hand
20:32 asciilifeform the most conveniently left out figure is the cost of participation in the college racket
20:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform word.
20:33 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: article vaguely alluded to post-sec bezzletron with 'figure can double'
20:33 asciilifeform partly because it isn't even a price, but a cut of whatever net worth the family might have
20:33 mircea_popescu that's not going to "count" as a cost because... well, corruption, racism, etcetera.
20:33 asciilifeform aha.
20:33 asciilifeform when leech drinks, that is not a cost, that is 'business as usual.'
20:33 asciilifeform and shuddup terrorist.
20:33 asciilifeform etc.
20:34 mircea_popescu where was that article...
20:41 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
20:42 gribble Current Blocks: 419755 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1588 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
20:42 * pete_dushenski off for an evening ride.
20:43 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/
20:44 mircea_popescu there we go!
~ 19 minutes ~
21:03 hanbot and introducing a troo luminary of the illinois school system, mchenry county college, which offers a "Geek Technology" program: http://www.mchenry.edu/geektech/
21:03 hanbot only $3.5k!
21:04 phf maaan, i read that as "greek technology" and got really excited
21:05 mircea_popescu ahahaha\
21:05 mircea_popescu phf meanwhile dead cluj ethnologist had a superb "wood technology" class.
21:05 mircea_popescu because yes, before carnegie, world ran on wood.
21:07 BingoBoingo hanbot: lol, greater chicagoland area
21:16 mircea_popescu and in other sack news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/1170ad4ec6e63d7a1cee4225f942fb40/tumblr_n7mvt6mmXL1tx2lkpo1_1280.jpg
21:17 Joshua-I You must have an interesting tumblr my man
21:17 BingoBoingo hanbot: You know you could prolly qntra that program up.
21:20 phf there used to be a generation of 70s anthropologists in u.s. who read gary snyder and did things with their hands, they would teach all these interesting retro technology classes. they are mostly gone now, i've managed to catch their last wave and got a distinct feel from them "kids these days fucking suck"
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21:23 phf there was a guy at local community college who taught "shelters of the world" class, which started with "build a log cabin for a grade" some time in the 80s and ended with "design shelter on paper, bring me something, i will make curve"
21:25 hanbot BingoBoingo not a bad idea. how 'bout i keep it and its wretched brothers aside as i go and write a roundup thingie when done? to go with the "peace studies" one and whatever other horrors await.
21:26 BingoBoingo hanbot: Works. Bonus lulz if you come up with new expansions for common .edu acronyms.
21:26 hanbot shelters of the world! i'd take a yurt class fo' sho'
21:28 BingoBoingo I mean seriously the people derping about STEM, access, and MOOC have to be actually taking about something other than what they say those things expand to
21:29 asciilifeform in other nyooz, fleanode is really turning to shit.
21:30 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, it is exactly as shitty as last week. Just happens to have aimnus'd at you at the moment.
21:31 asciilifeform mno.
21:32 asciilifeform 2 disconnects in <2 days
21:32 asciilifeform normally i got for a quarter with 0.
21:33 BingoBoingo Right, freenode has aimed its anus at you, hence you getting the shit. Phenomenon colloquially known as aimnus.
21:35 BingoBoingo Aimnus is prerequisite for shitting with intent
21:36 phf hanbot: guy really knew his shelters tho, but from a certain kind perspective. spent some time building geodesic domes with lloyd kahn, traveled places to ethnograph or try and join builds, including mongolia for yurts
21:37 phf a lifetime of very specialized knowledge to share with a bunch of no child left behind cases
21:42 mircea_popescu so a limbo champion walks into a bar...
21:43 mircea_popescu phf aha. was even more pronounced in eurolands.
21:43 BingoBoingo And he lost his title?
21:43 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo :)
21:44 phf thanks, BingoBoingo, i'd be sitting there waiting for the rest of the joke otherwise
21:44 mircea_popescu >D
21:44 mircea_popescu s'the problem phf, your alf-made interpreter barfs on unterminated data ? :D
21:44 BingoBoingo Yeah, had to make sure joke was closed for alf.
21:45 BingoBoingo ))))))))))))))))))
21:45 BingoBoingo ^ Just in case
21:45 mircea_popescu one day all the trolage is going to come back to bite us.
21:45 asciilifeform (.
21:45 phf when asciilifeform will finally find +ev way to go postal
21:46 mircea_popescu let's do a cinematic culture test!
21:46 mircea_popescu http://66.media.tumblr.com/f16c8cb89f75bf1274bac0fb3aee0689/tumblr_nvgkmunt4o1roh230o1_400.gif << place the scene.
21:48 mircea_popescu hm ? hm ? :D
21:48 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i had my fair share of them the oast few weeks
21:49 mod6 hm. i got nothin.
21:49 * mod6 failed
21:50 mircea_popescu F IN CINEMA CULTURE!
21:50 hanbot mircea_popescu that's that irreversible thing neh?
21:50 mircea_popescu darn.
21:50 mircea_popescu yes, monica belucci's longest rape scene (she does one per movie, it's in her contract)
21:50 mod6 <+covertress> don't you want some? <+shinohai> my sides << omg yes. lol.
21:51 mircea_popescu A in CINEMA CULTURE hanbot !
21:51 shinohai so many mixed reactions there mod6
21:51 ben_vulpes 'twas in a trilema post recently
21:52 ben_vulpes rape scene, french flim, something something the girl
21:52 mod6 i lul'd earlier when i read that thread shinohai. funny stuff.
21:52 mod6 one per movie. what a gal.
21:52 mircea_popescu i suspect she's not quite together.
21:53 mircea_popescu but in other headfucking.net news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/17c94b60081a797c24faa5be296473c9/tumblr_mflc8zFSsZ1s1vwalo1_400.gif
21:53 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes oh was it ? i forget.
21:54 mod6 nb
21:56 ben_vulpes wasn't it?
21:59 shinohai mod6 well anything eth related usually leads to lulz
21:59 mod6 indeed
22:00 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i am surprised that it does not come with jsxploits
22:01 phf the lady is clearly special
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22:02 ben_vulpes $rated pankkake
22:02 deedbot ben_vulpes has not rated pankkake.
22:02 ben_vulpes what'll it take?
22:03 ben_vulpes Joshua-I: btw, d'you plan to negrate pankkake for the malicious js?
22:03 ben_vulpes or is that a thing that consumers have cum to buttsecks
22:04 Joshua-I Was it deliberate?
22:06 ben_vulpes 'twas hosted at zher domain
22:06 ben_vulpes pick either malice or incompetence
22:07 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what'd it do, exactly ?
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22:07 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: ask Joshua-I
22:11 Joshua-I Well I'm not willing to bother running it again, but from what I can deduce it checks whether you're running certain browsers then fucks your browser accordingly with nasty js
22:12 Joshua-I If you go with a browser like lynx the redirect never happens
22:12 Joshua-I But if you use chrome it does
22:13 Joshua-I So I think it might be a kind of obtuse joke
22:24 BingoBoingo Perhap a browser miner?
22:25 deedbot [Qntra] Days Of Rain Set Corn Crop Up For Strong Finish - http://qntra.net/2016/07/days-of-rain-set-corn-crop-up-for-strong-finish/
22:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499183 << crapcoin mining, i would hope!
22:36 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 02:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what'd it do, exactly ?
22:36 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4741
22:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499174 << there's no school like highschool!
22:37 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 02:01 phf: the lady is clearly special
22:42 mircea_popescu check it out, there's a worldofcorn.com website for BingoBoingo 's pleasure. 2015 us avg yield was 168.4 bushels / acre for a total 13.6 bn bushels. corn is about 400 calories / lb, there's 56 lb per bushel of shelled corn, thus therefore
22:42 mircea_popescu ;;calc 13.6 * 56 * 400
22:42 gribble 304640
22:42 mircea_popescu about 300 trn corn calories produced in 2015.
22:42 BingoBoingo seriously
22:43 mircea_popescu comes just a shade under 1mn / capita / year, which is to say 2.8k calories.
22:43 mircea_popescu a day i mean
22:44 BingoBoingo And that's just the corn
22:45 mircea_popescu "just the corn" = all soda ; all mcdonalds/etc hamburgers ; all sauce, icecream etc.
22:46 mircea_popescu the corn is everything.
22:47 mircea_popescu but anyway, corn output doubled since the 80s/90s. it can't be said agro tech hasn't improved.
22:47 mod6 i like the corn related stories on qntra
22:47 mod6 s/stories/articles/
22:48 mircea_popescu i keep hoping the great cornholio shows up in comment section one day
22:48 mod6 :D
22:48 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKP-bVViPX8 < for millenials.
22:49 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You forget the soy-corn and the wheat-corn and the...
22:49 mircea_popescu tru
22:49 BingoBoingo Not to mention the imported corn
22:49 mircea_popescu iirc mostly imported as ethaline
22:50 BingoBoingo Also imported as bulk grain
22:52 BingoBoingo mod6: ty
22:52 BingoBoingo Qntra tries to cover all the buttcorns and all the altcorns
22:55 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4740
23:01 mats i never understood the humor in 'beavis and butt-head'
23:01 phf ;;age mats
23:01 gribble Error: "age" is not a valid command.
23:01 phf we need this
23:01 mats and apparently mike judge plans to bring it back
23:01 mats mid 20s, phf.
23:02 mircea_popescu i dun think it's the age. might well be a cultural thing. they're pretty white.
23:02 mircea_popescu mats ~nobody finds it funny that didn't know 5`000 various idiots that, if brancusi'd, end up beavis and butthead.
23:02 mircea_popescu it's modern art.
23:03 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'm all set for a second expedition! this weekend.
23:03 mats "brancusi'd"?
23:03 mircea_popescu the difference between the 70s born shitheads and the millenials being that back in the 70s http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499121 and therefore there was someone to mock them
23:03 a111 Logged on 2016-07-08 01:20 phf: there used to be a generation of 70s anthropologists in u.s. who read gary snyder and did things with their hands, they would teach all these interesting retro technology classes. they are mostly gone now, i've managed to catch their last wave and got a distinct feel from them "kids these days fucking suck"
23:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Good luck and godspeed. May you get castle alfstein yet!
23:03 mircea_popescu mats https://nydla.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/domnisoara-pogani.jpg << it's a style.
23:04 mats wtf am i looking at
23:04 mircea_popescu a head.
23:04 phf i bring peeeace
23:04 mod6 <+mats> and apparently mike judge plans to bring it back << there was a new season that he created a year or two ago
23:05 mod6 I think it was just one season. was funny tho
23:05 mats the eyeball protrusions, is that supposed to mean something?
23:06 asciilifeform 'We sellin' scramble, coke en smack, keep them junkies commin' back.' << l0l
23:06 mod6 umm guess it wasn't a year or two, more like 5. lol. 2011.
23:06 mats i dunno man. the vast majority of all art i have ever seen exhibited in museums and galleries or whut not do absolutely nothing for me
23:06 mircea_popescu mats not sure how familiar with art history & theory you are, but anyway, the point is let's call it "essentialisation", ie, a very deep stylisation of form.
23:06 mats no endorphins moving around, no sense of the thing inspires a sense of awe or beauty in me, i literally don't feel anything
23:07 mats not sure if i'm broken or the art.
23:07 mircea_popescu you've been lied to.
23:07 mircea_popescu it's not sex, to produce endorphins. it's used condoms.
23:07 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/bizarre-graffiti-fires-and-other-vandalism-target-st-louis-churches/article_dd45a33c-b23f-53bb-aea2-370617575e34.html
23:08 mircea_popescu the expectation art would "move you" is a late revival of idiotic victorian-romantic notions whereby women, mentally stunted by their gender and therefore incapable of comprehending art, nevertheless "felt it" somehow, ovary-magically.
23:08 mircea_popescu that this rank nonsense of obvious source still survives is nothing if not a testament to the ignorant, parochial ustardian society.
23:09 mats i just dun find myself capable of looking at most pieces for more than a dozen seconds or so
23:09 mats insta boredom
23:10 mircea_popescu think in terms of "disjointed lines from tmsr logs"
23:10 mircea_popescu it WOULD be fucking boring ; without knowledge of the history etc.
23:10 mircea_popescu which is why people teach the upper class kids these things ; the rest dun has teh time.
23:10 mats so i need an art history education
23:10 mircea_popescu wouldn't go as far as need ; but this is what it's for if you have it.
23:10 mats imma put that... at the bottom of the bucket list
23:11 mircea_popescu much like pole dancing, it's not something to pick up late in life anyway.
23:12 * asciilifeform has secret vice - luvvvz various artz, spent good chunk of chicago trip in the gallery
23:20 Joshua-I Not much for aesthetics are we
23:20 Joshua-I Yet still sexually attracted to things I imagine
23:26 Joshua-I Art is the most supreme, most divine of instructions
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23:26 Joshua-I Easily fulfilling the requirements of sense and intellect simultaneously
23:27 Joshua-I And so just as easily perpetuates itself
23:31 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/07/days-of-rain-set-corn-crop-up-for-strong-finish/#comment-63363
23:40 BingoBoingo 227 blocks till halving
23:41 Joshua-I Think the gettin' will be good post-halving
23:43 BingoBoingo Only for tose strong in hodl
23:45 mircea_popescu wtf video-embed what is wrong with people.
23:45 asciilifeform it dun load here.
23:50 BingoBoingo or here
23:56 Joshua-I I've found it.. the one important trilema post: http://trilema.com/2014/what-interests-me-in-a-project/ ;P
23:56 trinque check this guy out.. the one
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