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00:00 asciilifeform revealed pubkey is not a compromise.
00:00 thestringpuller isn't the point of V to prevent compromised binaries?
00:00 asciilifeform revealed symmetric key - game over
00:00 phf so is a symmetric key if you have unique symmetric key for each pairing
00:00 phf "but own key for each vm to vm pairing"
00:00 asciilifeform phf: and how do you accomplish this
00:01 asciilifeform for one thing, 'pairing' is undefined
00:01 asciilifeform nodes can have no meaningful identity other than pubkeys.
00:01 asciilifeform just like wot folks.
00:02 phf asciilifeform: same way as you do with wot folks. you state who you are, then prove it with a sig
00:03 asciilifeform thing is, anon randos don't and can't have 'whos'
00:03 phf well, that's going back to your "not a single byte" unless crypto
00:04 phf but that's unimplementable constraint. anon rando can send you a well crafted pubkey that is bogus, and you will only know it's bogus after you finished your read
00:05 asciilifeform the important thing is that usg's 1,000,000,001 emulated uci sybils should have no bearing on the workings of genuine nodez.
00:05 asciilifeform and - ideally - succumb to doing some useful work on their own as well.
00:08 mircea_popescu phf nothing wrong with whitelist access.
00:08 mircea_popescu you want contact to my uci interface, we agree in advance, and i whitelist your key.
00:08 phf in order to do that you need crypto where each individual byte in a stream carries enough information to make a decision there and then. so you send a byte packet and have a 1/256 change of going to next byte
00:08 asciilifeform but yes, the only topologies i know of for this are the traditional star, with 'signed by fuhrer - blob runs, no - not' or ... reimplementing bitcoin
00:09 phf otherwise you have to read the whole thing before you can make a decision whether or not whole thing is bogus
00:09 asciilifeform phf: reading is cheap.
00:09 mircea_popescu reimplementing bitcoin is not the end of the world anyway. the extant version is crap.
00:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reimplementing eth would be sad tho.
00:10 mircea_popescu definitely.
00:10 asciilifeform and certainly not 100kB of sad..
00:12 mircea_popescu of course, if you read the java-esque nightmare that "solidity" is, reimplementing eth as a small emu thing would benefit it immensely.
00:12 mircea_popescu hard to do when there's nobody with a clue in "the team", obv.
00:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the sewer rats cannot abide small, simple things
00:12 mircea_popescu or things that work.
00:12 asciilifeform where do you hide a nest in that?!
00:12 phf each slave vm gets a random int id and a symmetric key, master store int<->symmetric key in a binary tree. packet comes in <int><sig>, you get the symmetric key for int and use it to verify sig
00:13 mircea_popescu phf what's this symmetric key fixation ?
00:13 asciilifeform ^
00:13 phf mircea_popescu: it's actually pretty immaterial, public key crypto doesn't buy you anything in this case
00:13 mircea_popescu how do you reason
00:13 mircea_popescu -V motherfuckers!
00:14 asciilifeform phf: it buys you fuhrer-to-swarm broadcast
00:14 asciilifeform instead of 100000000 fuhrer-to-slave dispatches
00:14 asciilifeform srsly
00:14 asciilifeform so far this is kindergarten botronics
00:14 mircea_popescu fine example in the logs today ; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280
00:14 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 15:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform davout jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
00:15 phf asciilifeform: you're more attached to dismissing symmetric, then i am to preserving it
00:15 mircea_popescu this only exists because asym crypto.
00:15 phf but your original objections were not about broadcast!
00:15 asciilifeform phf: so they weren't.
00:15 phf so i'm just trying to understand better the original objections
00:16 ben_vulpes stantronics: never fight on one front when you can establish five
00:16 asciilifeform 'why not eat broken glass?' '1) dun taste so good 2) ......'
00:16 phf why not eat broken glass 2) .... 1) dun taste so good
00:16 phf is the actual order of events
00:17 phf your thinking about 2) seems to be sloppy, but 1) is a ~point~, so no further discussion is required
00:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes he's russian whadda ya want.
00:17 mircea_popescu phf it also happens to be my point :D
00:17 ben_vulpes trilema is as swampy as any russian battlefield
00:17 ben_vulpes and then as cold
00:18 ben_vulpes and then swampy again
00:18 mircea_popescu darn!
00:18 asciilifeform cold xor swamp
00:18 ben_vulpes it's a compliment! natural defenses abound.
00:18 mircea_popescu = oil
00:19 ben_vulpes so the security model is still completely up in the air then.
00:19 mircea_popescu pretty much
00:20 phf well, the point of the conversation seems to be for asciilifeform to make sure everyone knows that they are idiots :>
00:20 asciilifeform l0l
00:20 mircea_popescu lmao
00:20 ben_vulpes > kindergarten botronics
00:21 asciilifeform so far i also feel foolish because unable to come up with any serious improvement over traditional 20th c chumpnet.
00:21 asciilifeform where the magic privkey is central throne of failure.
00:21 mircea_popescu (which is how this works, when my disintersted luddite view humiliates him he lashes out)
00:22 ben_vulpes and is the harnessing chumpnet thing still design vision and not people with real hardware to lease?
00:22 asciilifeform thus far i can't offer anything but same stone knife and bear skin mircea_popescu offers.
00:23 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes how do you mean ?
00:24 ben_vulpes proggy with advanced c/c discovery routines etc vs. much simpler thing one compiles and installs on boxes under ones physical control
00:24 mircea_popescu i dunno how to extract a sentence out of your last two lines.
00:24 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you already have that latter one
00:24 asciilifeform ssh
00:25 ben_vulpes the 'lovers army'
00:25 asciilifeform snore.
00:25 ben_vulpes army of lovers, w/e
00:26 mircea_popescu that's 4 now.
00:26 mircea_popescu everyone hates a verb ;/
00:28 asciilifeform it is worth thinking about wtf the point of uci was
00:29 mircea_popescu there's no point in the sense of "this is what we're trying to accomplish". there's a few drivers ; and logically some likely outcomes. should i enumerate ?
00:30 asciilifeform 'The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.'
00:30 asciilifeform was there moar?
00:31 mircea_popescu that's a different (and much lower) level of the discussion. was that your target ?
00:31 asciilifeform i was wondering what we want it to do, that can later not be disrupted etc.
00:31 asciilifeform what the useful payload is.
00:31 mircea_popescu yeah, you're mixing teh levels. lemme rant for a while.
00:32 * asciilifeform tunes in
00:32 * ben_vulpes looks for davouts popcorn
00:34 mircea_popescu so, strategically, we (as in, humans, people, we) are confronted with an adversary (ie, socialist state, usg, aliens, the devil incarnate, pure evil, etc) that predicates its relevancy upon targeted computing denial (see http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ ; and also http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/ re the ddos "we won't fix" and so on )
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00:35 mircea_popescu practically, bitcoin has shown, and before that theoretical considerations have indicated and predicted, at various levels of abstraction, that computing will commodify. moreover, the adversary itself is creating an eth to this particular bitcoin - they call it "the cloud".
00:35 mircea_popescu from these it necessarily follows that tmsr must make a correct commodization interface for computing resources.
00:36 mircea_popescu that's one level. and it informs the practical definition of uci, an implementation thereof, as you quote it.
00:37 asciilifeform it remains possible that 'cloud' == 'rent out space inside your nose' , though.
00:37 mircea_popescu if correctly executed, this will result in sugar, spice and everything nice necessarily. not just denying the adversary the one pasture it truly needs ; but importantly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494660
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00:37 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 03:50 mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, it will create, if successful, a ready way to resolve http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492111 and such problems.
00:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it remains possible, yes. review your objection re "spamming reddit", which is exactly the same principle at work in a smaller snowglobe. their swarm of pinoy breed there, right ? pasture.
00:38 asciilifeform for one thing, no machines outside of my house can carry out the functions of 1 machine inside. various reasons - cryptohygiene, speed of light, reliability.
00:38 asciilifeform imho 'cloud' is ~crud.
00:38 mircea_popescu i am in general more than happy to go into "don't interrupt - mistake" mode, whenever i know this to be the case.
00:39 mircea_popescu here, i don't know this to be the case, moreover i suspect otherwise.
00:39 mircea_popescu (no, i've no proof, nor signature, etc etc)
00:39 asciilifeform lel
00:39 mircea_popescu for srsly.
00:41 asciilifeform 1024 chickens cannot replace my ox, now or ever, for perfectly fundamental physical reasons. which does not mean that the chickens cannot propel some cart, somewhere, in approx correct direction.
00:42 asciilifeform but http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492111 is neither here nor there.
00:42 a111 Logged on 2016-06-28 15:09 asciilifeform: 'when DEC Alpha existed, did you motherfuckers buy?? no?? have fun'
00:45 asciilifeform it is also worth noting why chickens appear to work so well for the tard crowd
00:45 asciilifeform it is because their crud doesn't actually need to work!
00:45 asciilifeform aws lost the disk? no tears!
00:46 asciilifeform it isn't as if the random rubytardation was connected to a reactor that will melt down now.
00:47 asciilifeform more likely than not, the creator of the atrocity will even continue to get paid, while the crater smoulders
00:47 asciilifeform so nobody gives half a fuck.
00:47 asciilifeform not so for actual people.
00:47 asciilifeform who MUST get 4 when they 2+2, every single time, and within 1ns, hell or high water
00:48 asciilifeform or satellite loses orbit, reactor melts, privkey bits leak, cats fuck dogs, ragnarok.
00:49 asciilifeform 'cloud' works for certain specific purposes, like ddos, where the malfeasance of any number of individual drones has 0 consequence.
00:50 asciilifeform anywhere else, it readily breaks down into barf
00:51 asciilifeform like rotting racoon on a hot summer road, it is ok dinner for ants, but not for us...
00:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform consider the implications of what you are arguing. if your idea of "irreplaceable home box" stands, this necessarily reduces to fortresses, armies and dirigibles. a world which happens to exclude a lot of people
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00:54 mircea_popescu first on the list, you.
00:54 asciilifeform do i need dirigible to have fork in my kitchen ?
00:54 asciilifeform fork is also not cloudizable.
00:54 mircea_popescu to have a fork obama can't confiscate ? yes.
00:55 asciilifeform obama can confiscate my liver.
00:55 asciilifeform not only fork.
00:55 mircea_popescu hence the problem.
00:55 asciilifeform not solvable by trying to outsource liver to 1024 chinese.
00:55 mircea_popescu this is an open matter.
00:56 asciilifeform if he homomorphic thing existed, i would be inclined to agree with mircea_popescu
00:56 asciilifeform but afaik it does not.
00:56 asciilifeform *the h
00:59 asciilifeform at any rate i was excluded from various things, like felt top hats, long ago, and will doubtless be excluded from other nice things, like forks and livers, in the future, but it does not follow that random rubbish now logically substitutes for the missing items.
00:59 mircea_popescu certainly not.
01:00 mircea_popescu in any case, the fork example is miserable. fork is commodity item and thus cloudized already. if obama steals your fork you go to chinese shitshop across street buy replacement.
01:00 mircea_popescu if you could only eat at versailles, you'd be fucked.
01:00 thestringpuller didn't realize daniel krawwisz was a brony...makes a lot of sense tho
01:00 mircea_popescu which is why louis tried to convince the idiots they can only TRULY eat at versailles.
01:00 mircea_popescu it worked!
01:00 asciilifeform cpu is cheaper to reproduce than steel fork.
01:00 mircea_popescu testement to just how fucking stupid people are.
01:01 asciilifeform it is really only a photograph.
01:01 mircea_popescu eh. this is not a discussion of metaphysics.
01:01 asciilifeform and 'can go across street and buy new one' != 'cloudized' !
01:01 asciilifeform not same at all
01:02 asciilifeform the fork i eat with is physics
01:02 asciilifeform Lly local
01:02 asciilifeform physically local
01:02 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> cpu is cheaper to reproduce than steel fork it is really only a photograph. <mircea_popescu> eh. this is not a discussion of metaphysics.
01:02 asciilifeform and does not need to plug into a tap of forktronium from external world
01:03 mircea_popescu forget the fork, and generally what is this slop!
01:06 asciilifeform i dun find electrical communism, where i somehow need some derps across the town to add my own 2+2 and save the result, any more appealing than the other kinds.
01:07 asciilifeform all kolhoz is equally bovinizing.
01:09 asciilifeform it is bad enough that we use mains grid.
01:09 asciilifeform (and recall, sane folk dream of abolishing such thing, not cementing it)
01:09 asciilifeform $s pebble reactor
01:09 a111 2 results for "pebble reactor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pebble%20reactor
01:11 mircea_popescu methinks you're modeling this wrongly.
01:11 mircea_popescu that i have the option to fuck any woman in town does in no conceivable way reduce to me being married to every woman that ever lived.
01:11 mircea_popescu it is in fact the exact opposite thereof. anthropology attests to this point.
01:11 asciilifeform walk me through the connection ?
01:12 mircea_popescu there's no "you need some derps across town to add your own 2+2" ; but instead "from the fact that you added 2+2 eve can't discern where the fuck you did it"
01:12 mircea_popescu anonimity - not for the poor. but for the tools!
01:12 asciilifeform we dun have the tech for 'can't discern'
01:13 asciilifeform any of it.
01:13 mircea_popescu to an alarming degree, which passes for "normal" in the mind of derps like rms, because it's common and he's confused, computing IS ALREADY TIVOIZED
01:13 mircea_popescu there isn't much in common between computer and hammer.
01:13 asciilifeform elaborate?
01:14 mircea_popescu you can't convict without body BECAUSE the "this hammer points at you, mr alf" is a sham ; and known as such, and for a long time.
01:14 mircea_popescu nevertheless, most modern "law enforcement" by mass is "this computer points at you mr alf". which is rank nonsense, and must go away.
01:15 asciilifeform it will vanish with the muppet audience, and not before
01:15 mircea_popescu contrary to what democratic idiots like to think, and keep affirming, the beoble has exactly no impact on history.
01:15 asciilifeform 'she floated, therefore witch' also 'worked'.
01:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform understand the problem with the pretense : sword cuts both ways, before you know it, i'm using it to cut their heads.
01:16 mircea_popescu pretense isn't the problem here.
01:16 asciilifeform they never seem to run out of heads tho
01:16 mircea_popescu nor i.
01:17 mircea_popescu "i fuck my wife every morn and every evening, she's not yet run out of cunt". what if she had ?!
01:17 asciilifeform we had a cp thread iirc
01:18 mircea_popescu cp = ?
01:18 asciilifeform where i noted that 'jailed for child pr0nz' only EVER happens to folks who a) need to have problemz b) plebe meat to keep the blades greased
01:19 mircea_popescu point remains : the "we don't know which physical object maps to the logical object called <this server>" bit worked, even in the "look but don't touch" version displayed by tor. in fact - it was the bait in that trap.
01:19 asciilifeform and never, e.g., obummer
01:19 mircea_popescu now, time to make a day of it, and the bait a full wedding meal.
01:19 asciilifeform tor never worked tho
01:20 mircea_popescu tor never worked, but THE "we don't know which physical object maps to the logical object called <this server>" BIT did!
01:20 mircea_popescu EVEN omfg i gotta spell what i say out for you ?
01:20 asciilifeform except that hitler knew
01:20 mircea_popescu EVEN in the "look but don't touch" version displayed. ye ken ?
01:20 asciilifeform and all the folks who believed that he didn't, are ~dead now
01:20 mircea_popescu ...
01:21 asciilifeform what does '.. but don't touch' mean?
01:21 asciilifeform i' clearly missing sumthing
01:21 mircea_popescu let's try a comparison, to clear this up. so : capacitive display, as seen in ipad, is inherently cool. the capacitive display would be the "can't phyisically identify box running server".
01:22 mircea_popescu now, the tor would be "ipad", except a peculiar sort that does not in fact work.
01:22 mircea_popescu nevertheless, people still line up to buy it, and go crazy about it, and on and on. EVEN THOUGH nobody actually got to take one home,
01:22 mircea_popescu but it was merely displayed, chinese mangos style.
01:22 asciilifeform perpetuum mobile ?
01:22 mircea_popescu the fact that the ipad as such doesn't exist and never worked
01:23 mircea_popescu has exactly no bearing on the fact that the capacitive display actually works, conceptually.
01:23 mircea_popescu this make sense nao ?
01:24 asciilifeform so posited. eeexcept in this case there was no display, no eternally turning wheel, but some dwarf hidden in the mechanism was turning a crank
01:24 mircea_popescu the fact that the purportedly observed behaviour, EVEN IF FAKED, still violates no physics laws is now out of the bag.
01:24 mircea_popescu the race is on to reproduce it without faking.
01:25 asciilifeform nobody actually invented the working thing tor purported to be.
01:25 mircea_popescu but the concept of "a method which does not allow mapping of physical resources to logical resources by third party" DOES work.
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01:25 asciilifeform and yes, it is on. i personally watched usg blow ~50mil on homomorphicola, to 0 result.
01:25 mircea_popescu they're going about it wrong. as usual.
01:25 asciilifeform probably it spent 100x that if you count the black efforts also.
01:26 mircea_popescu the botnets are a lot closer to the result, in practice, than usg ever got.
01:26 mircea_popescu much like bitcoin etc etc.
01:26 asciilifeform they don't actually solve the problem.
01:27 mircea_popescu your notion of "actually solve the problem" oft shipwrecks on metaphysical shores.
01:27 mircea_popescu eating also "doesn't solve the problem".
01:27 asciilifeform bot nodes can and often do get successfully forensically raped and point straight to c&c throne, which, ditto
01:27 mircea_popescu dumbass topology.
01:28 asciilifeform it is forced by nat, to a large extent.
01:28 mircea_popescu the failure of single men to matter is not to be construed as saying anything about the abilities and capacities of hordes with herds in tow.
01:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, that's the convenient excuse. it is forced by the fact that "botmaster" === "pimply idiot with no social insertion".
01:29 mircea_popescu ie, can't wot.
01:29 asciilifeform how does wot solve nat ?
01:30 asciilifeform as we have it, 99%+ of chump boxes can't get inbound ~anything.
01:30 mircea_popescu define "nat".
01:30 asciilifeform this forces a star topology.
01:30 mircea_popescu why do we care re chump boxes ?
01:30 mircea_popescu and star can mean many things.
01:30 asciilifeform because the number of voluntary boxes is 3?
01:31 mircea_popescu and you know this through massaging your prostate until a number squirts out ?
01:31 asciilifeform we dun even have 3 reliable trb nodez.
01:32 asciilifeform that's how.
01:32 mircea_popescu stop mixing shit against entropy flow. you don't give the first of a flying fuck about the number 3. you're wrtiting code, it may not contain magic numbers.
01:32 asciilifeform point being that 'lover army' sums to 0 if you want 'unattributable computing' etc.
01:32 mircea_popescu if it's right it's right and if it's wrong it's wrong. a statistical argument may not decide this. it'll be just as wrong with 3 billion and just as right with 0.
01:32 mircea_popescu that's not even a point.
01:33 asciilifeform it works with 100 rapees but not with 200 lovers.
01:33 mircea_popescu for it to be a point it'd have to be constructed out of things that may exist in the same sentence, which it isn't.
01:33 asciilifeform the involuntary participation is key.
01:33 mircea_popescu you've not defined "involuntary participation" in such a way as to put it in this soup and prove anything.
01:33 mircea_popescu go ahead, i'll listen.
01:34 asciilifeform per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494891
01:34 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 05:25 mircea_popescu: but the concept of "a method which does not allow mapping of physical resources to logical resources by third party" DOES work.
01:35 mircea_popescu please make whole sentences. include the verbs, and the nouns, and so on.
01:36 asciilifeform unless i catastrophically misunderstand, the point of 'can't connect event with physical box' is to make usg inquisitions prohibitively expensive
01:36 mircea_popescu there is not a point in this sense.
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01:37 asciilifeform i.e. they were not able to confiscate and search every box in ipv4 space to see which was sr
01:37 asciilifeform (if tor actually worked, they would have had to, or to give up)
01:37 mircea_popescu actually, i don't think our scheme necessarily allows to know WHICH it was even if you confiscate them all.
01:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if not this, then what?
01:38 mircea_popescu heck, bitbet didn't keep logs. confiscate all you want. was it a timely enough confiscation ?
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01:38 asciilifeform upstream had logs!111
01:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can try and push the conversation in your "the purpose is X" scheme all you want ; it won't go there, because, again, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494929
01:38 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 05:36 mircea_popescu: there is not a point in this sense.
01:38 asciilifeform the reasonable supposition is that all plaintext going a kilometre or longer outdoors is logged.
01:39 mircea_popescu that may be.
01:39 asciilifeform ergo 'bbet logged'
01:39 mircea_popescu mno.
01:39 asciilifeform now i'm lost
01:40 mircea_popescu "all things were preordained by god - ergo bbet logged".
01:40 mircea_popescu wtf is this.
01:41 asciilifeform y'know, my toilet doesn't log, but if flush a blended corpse down it, it is not so difficult to prove later, where it went.
01:41 asciilifeform same idea here,
01:41 asciilifeform .
01:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494934
01:41 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 05:38 mircea_popescu: heck, bitbet didn't keep logs. confiscate all you want. was it a timely enough confiscation ?
01:41 mircea_popescu ~timely~
01:42 asciilifeform this - possibly.
01:42 mircea_popescu so no, you fake your absolutes. flush blender corpse all you want ; maybe something can be proven later. but there's no guarantee.
01:43 asciilifeform for fuxxsake usg long ago dispensed with absolutes re evidential standards
01:43 mircea_popescu that has no bearing.
01:43 mircea_popescu i'm not about to import usg.retardation for any reason.
01:43 asciilifeform most cp convictions, say, are ~= witch trial
01:43 mircea_popescu so ?
01:44 mircea_popescu there isn't a purpose, how hard is this to grok ?
01:44 asciilifeform so who is the target of the obfuscatron ? malevolent martians?
01:44 asciilifeform not usg?
01:44 mircea_popescu whether it does x or does y is indifferent.
01:44 mircea_popescu there IS NO TARGET
01:45 asciilifeform 'i have this pistol because IT IS HUGE mutherfackerz'
01:45 mircea_popescu i get it, you've lived a life dealing with people who want a certain thing to come out of babbage's machine. fine.
01:45 mircea_popescu i don't care what comes out of it. just as long as the process is correct, come what may will be fine.
01:46 asciilifeform but how do you build correct process pistol without some notion of target ? is it on land? under water? armoured? etc
01:46 mircea_popescu you build correct pistol.
01:46 mircea_popescu rather than merely adequate pistol.
01:46 asciilifeform correct takes <argument>
01:47 asciilifeform correct on land is not correct under water, and vice versa
01:47 asciilifeform (seen underwater kalash?)
01:48 asciilifeform and a chimera that tries to work in both land and water, is correct nowhere.
01:48 mircea_popescu lousy engineering.
01:48 mircea_popescu correctness here is dna, not a chunk of bent metal.
01:49 mircea_popescu and correct takes argument, yes, but in the form of... parents. like amoeba, like urmom, like v and like everything else built to last.
01:49 asciilifeform we laugh at usg's submarine-tankoplane.
01:50 asciilifeform it is very easy for undifferentiated, amorphous chunks of possibility to appear 'correct everywhere'
01:51 mircea_popescu notice that if there's something that ruined computing, it's the switch from "we're building computers" to "we would like the secretaries to typeset on these".
01:51 asciilifeform but in actual physical world, when it is time to shoot a frogman you do it with proper chunk of bent metal.
01:51 asciilifeform not with dna.
01:51 mircea_popescu maybe i do it with a ion gun, for all you know.
01:51 mircea_popescu maybe i shoot him with my penis.
01:52 mircea_popescu anyway. the physical metaphore for computing is shitty, and has definitely outlived its usefulness.
01:52 asciilifeform last i checked computing, like shooting, was still something we do on sadly physical and very limited contraptions.
01:53 mircea_popescu code is not things, which is why whether i;d download a car or not has no fucking bearing on that discussion.
01:53 asciilifeform the folks who try to mathematicize away the physicalities, end up urbiting.
01:53 mircea_popescu everyone swallowed the inept broken premises whole, to debate the end point. fucking hell. nevermind if you'd download a car or not. CODE IS NOT CARS!
01:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and folks who want to know "what purpose" the program is supposed to serve end up writing openssh ; and fifty years later still wallow without proper crypto.
01:55 mircea_popescu the only difference being that folks who abstract end up urbiting only if idiots, and choose to do so ; whereas folks who think program is a car and internet a truck end up with openssh and junk-o-rama no matter what they want, or do, or even understand.
01:55 mircea_popescu they already lost their sanity when put cart before horse.
01:57 asciilifeform anyway i dun actually disagree with mircea_popescu re 'delocalized computing is spiffy'. simply must pointout that we ~don't have it~ and that all of the proposed mechanisms put us no closer to it.
01:57 asciilifeform it is quite like, e.g., tokamak for fusion.
01:57 mircea_popescu yeah well, it is my notion that the proposed scheme, while sinfully vague, is a better prototype for it than anything else available.
01:58 mircea_popescu but i do not propose it's usable as is by any means.
01:58 asciilifeform already largely implemented by classical botnets.
01:58 asciilifeform nobody's creaming his pants re prospect of comouting with them.
01:58 asciilifeform *computing
01:58 mircea_popescu i don't see much of a problem.
01:59 asciilifeform take simple example
01:59 asciilifeform the 8ball.
01:59 asciilifeform show me how to compute it on N boxes, some of which may be malign.
02:03 asciilifeform 'seti@home' et al approach the problem by burning the lion's share of cycles on verification/duplication.
02:03 asciilifeform and still end up resorting to obfuscating the client
02:03 asciilifeform and other idiocies
02:10 mircea_popescu eh, that's not contemplated. your objection is like saying "bitcoin is not the solution because my hairdresser doens't take it".
02:10 mircea_popescu take the obvious example : the reddit thing. can i do it on n boxes, indiferently ?
02:11 asciilifeform it - yes
02:11 mircea_popescu and while i have no doubt seti@home are imbeciles, nevertheless the problem is well solved. voting etc.
02:11 asciilifeform i was addressing the 'replace my comp' aspect
02:11 asciilifeform mno.
02:11 asciilifeform something gotta count the votez
02:11 mircea_popescu "replacing your computer" takes time.
02:12 mircea_popescu cars replaced horses over a century.
02:12 asciilifeform beetles, note, did not.
02:12 asciilifeform why not!111
02:12 mircea_popescu wait, what ?
02:12 asciilifeform i bet 500kg of beetle is cheaper than horse
02:12 asciilifeform and less failure-prone
02:13 mircea_popescu how the everfuck is this germane.
02:13 asciilifeform entirely
02:13 ben_vulpes '1024 chickens'
02:14 asciilifeform now i must sleep a bit, expedition to the bmore epicentre tomorrow, but i will return to this.
02:14 mircea_popescu dude. i gave you an example of cars and horses to explain how TECHNOLOGY IS REPLACED FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE FRUIT TREE UP
02:15 mircea_popescu you're not at liberty to freely migrate this into some crazy shit on a stick like we're doing free word association in the mental patient yard.
02:16 mircea_popescu obviously, X arbitrary usecase is going to be higher hanging fruit than Y. so what the fuck of it, this is always the case.
02:16 mircea_popescu i'm not required to show you a 1980s mercedes sedan in 1882 to explain why the fuck cars are a thing.
02:17 asciilifeform 'replace asciilifeform's comp with 10,000 bots' != 'replace horse with car.' but == 'replace horse with 500kg of insect on strings'
02:17 mircea_popescu "trains will never work because are too loud" sort of nonsense.
02:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're the only one discussing the replacing of your computer.
02:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494805 << ?
02:18 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 04:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the implications of what you are arguing. if your idea of "irreplaceable home box" stands, this necessarily reduces to fortresses, armies and dirigibles. a world which happens to exclude a lot of people
02:18 mircea_popescu so ?
02:18 mircea_popescu this is neither here nor there, inconvenient as it may be, it has no more bearing on uci than it has on hypocaloric diets.
02:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494780 << start of thread
02:19 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 04:37 mircea_popescu: if correctly executed, this will result in sugar, spice and everything nice necessarily. not just denying the adversary the one pasture it truly needs ; but importantly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494660
02:19 asciilifeform 'dec alpha' etc
02:19 mircea_popescu neither of these are "replace your computer".
02:20 * asciilifeform bbl, will soon fall down
02:20 mircea_popescu laters.
~ 7 hours 27 minutes ~
09:47 asciilifeform http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2014/11/18/how-casinos-cheat-part-ii-heads-i-win-tails-you-lose << lulzy
09:50 shinohai https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/issues/1325
09:51 asciilifeform p40gr3555555555!!!!!!!!!!!
09:53 shinohai Rewriting the whitepaper will fix everything.
09:58 mircea_popescu to continue yest's convo :
09:58 mircea_popescu the train example is very much illustrative. there is no purpose to trains! trains exist because of the following conversation : "hey, this steam engine is pretty neat, but is it always stationary ?" "i guess you could add a rail to it..." "hmmmm".
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09:59 mircea_popescu that's it. it exists BECAUSE you could add a rail to a steam engine. it doesn't exist TO anything, for all anyone cares it could be to go to the moon or washington as well as better circle the wagons or hunt mountain goats.
10:00 mircea_popescu and in this context there exists a correctness, "what do we make the rail out of ?" "well, minimum mass of functional steam engine is 1 ton, so i guess something rigid enough ; but also can't be friable must be ductile.
10:00 mircea_popescu "oh so no cement, collected baby teeth, braided hay or glass then!"
10:00 mircea_popescu "no, gotta be metal" "silver ?" no, abundant" "then iron is the correct substance" "So it is!"
10:01 mircea_popescu meanwhile, considerations of "abstract thinkers" who are really metaphysicians, such as "will people be able to breathe ???" are not to be considered. if they are they live if they are not they die. nobody cares. whether leika comes back down or not is not a point of consideration in the soviet space programme.
10:02 mircea_popescu on the other hand, considerations of powers that wanna be, who really aren't, such as cixi wanting it to be "quiter than x" or hilary clinton wanting it to "not destroy usg because the us understood as usg was always great" will also not be considered.
10:02 mircea_popescu neither of these two form part of correctness ; the consideration of material strength above does.
10:02 mircea_popescu so no, no "correct for x". there is a "correct of y" and that's the whole of the law.
10:08 mircea_popescu ( http://change.com/int/leika-2.html the dog in question, for they unfamiliar with 20th century history)
10:12 mircea_popescu http://time.com/3546215/laika-1957/ << also interested for idiotologists, because of the references to imbecile ustardian press of the 50s, and exact unchanged restatement half a century later. truly nothing has changed in our colonies on the indian plains.
10:13 mircea_popescu apparently a bare tits floor cleanner / anthropologist named jennifer latson actually believes what "the press at the time" said is a source of truth ; and worth the mention other than derisively.
10:15 mircea_popescu and speaking of jennifers : i can report partial data on a multi-year research project. of the "internet demographic" (under 30, poor, intelligent, educated, ambitious - the sort that supplies the seo experts, hackers, camwhores etc), 93% (of 2274) males and 2% (of 741) females actually heard of bitcoin.
10:16 asciilifeform they also heard of neutrino.
10:16 mircea_popescu women are by their nature stupid, there's no way to argue with the data. they'll do great on confucian-style government exams and nowhere else. especially nowhere it matters, such as you know, "the carpet has just been pulled from under clinton and it's not coming back, you know who pulled it ?"
10:16 asciilifeform how many can say anything actionable about either.
10:16 mircea_popescu ask a guy, "mircea popescu", ask a gal, "jennifer latson???"
10:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you saying it doesn't matter ?
10:17 mircea_popescu ~0, % or no %, can say anything actionable about either, or anything else.
10:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: also, lajka
10:17 mircea_popescu yaya
10:17 mircea_popescu don't make me load my koi!
~ 18 minutes ~
10:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495045 << can't resist this invitation: first railroads were horse-drawn
10:36 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 13:58 mircea_popescu: the train example is very much illustrative. there is no purpose to trains! trains exist because of the following conversation : "hey, this steam engine is pretty neat, but is it always stationary ?" "i guess you could add a rail to it..." "hmmmm".
10:36 asciilifeform and had pretty obvious 'purpose' - 'wouldntcha like to go faster on this set of horse'
10:37 asciilifeform faster/longer.
10:38 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
10:38 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
10:38 gabriel_laddel http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494383 < not presently, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-18#1409864
10:38 a111 Logged on 2016-02-18 22:21 gabriel_laddel: I have a few obligations to take care of here in the US first.
10:38 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 19:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494313 << wait, i'm confused. you... live in buenos aires ?
10:39 gabriel_laddel What I had intended to say was: I'm on the hunt for products that are difficult to create in the ussa because of the supergay laws, or the interactions between the supergay laws and the situation in the field (ie, why one cannot make automated turrets to defend one's $100/month flat in the hood == the feds).
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10:40 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Speaking of which, why is it so difficult to get 'stuff' into BA? If I wanted to ship in a bunch of computer parts and undercut the Uruguay competition (computers reportedly cost 2x what they do in the states because ??) the issues would be what exactly?
10:41 gabriel_laddel (am assuming I'd be able to ship in parts to BA, assemble them into machines and then take a ferry and sell in MTV)
10:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495076 << yer still thinking like a young fella, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465891
10:47 a111 Logged on 2016-05-11 19:33 mircea_popescu: fwiw, young males that aren't entirely dumb go almost universally through this phase of "fantasy busienss" where they keep doing various coups in their heads, start a carwash then buy a shoestore with the proceeds then trade that in for a chain fo restaurants etc etc etc.
10:47 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 14:39 gabriel_laddel: What I had intended to say was: I'm on the hunt for products that are difficult to create in the ussa because of the supergay laws, or the interactions between the supergay laws and the situation in the field (ie, why one cannot make automated turrets to defend one's $100/month flat in the hood == the feds).
10:48 gabriel_laddel I've already sold 'stuff' here in the states, and don't see how it could possibly be different in SA?
10:48 asciilifeform re the turrets
10:48 asciilifeform armanent business is a well-colonized thing, the power players know who they are.
10:48 asciilifeform and aren't welcoming randos.
10:49 asciilifeform (mega-unsurprise)
10:49 gabriel_laddel Oh oh, my point is more along the lines of - you can't cook mustard gas, use it on the hoodrats and then make use of the large industrial zone near oakland.
10:49 gabriel_laddel why not? feds.
10:49 asciilifeform hoodrats are the loyal servants of feds
10:49 asciilifeform $s anarchotyranny
10:49 a111 6 results for "anarchotyranny", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=anarchotyranny
10:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform horsedrawn /mule drawn mine rail is not railroad.
10:49 gabriel_laddel right. hence south america
10:50 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: who would you like to gas in ~south~ america ?
10:50 asciilifeform i dun get it
10:50 * gabriel_laddel would like to live in Kr, but it is an ethnostate in which non-koreans cannot own anything.
10:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fefeleaga!1111
10:51 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel computers do not cost 2x, except hte locals are 2x as idiotic. the home shopping network demographic pays 20 bux for a plastic "earring organizer", but this is not because "plastic is expensive in the us".
10:51 phf hmm i think a111 returns message references in reverse order..
10:51 mircea_popescu you could liberally do the ferry bit, but it wouldn't net you the (very cheap) ticket cost.
10:51 asciilifeform phf: it does
10:52 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: I don't really want to gas anyone, but must be able to respond to threats in a reasonable manner
10:52 gabriel_laddel remeber the BA guy on a motorbike?
10:52 asciilifeform which
10:52 mircea_popescu back when they actually had capital controls in place i imported what must amount to one metric ton in us bills via ferry on montevideo.
10:53 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel VERY, VERY different in SA. you have no fucking idea, and apparently you've not been following my field reports. these people are retarded. economically speaking, they're dumber than a gecko.
10:53 gabriel_laddel the video of a motorbike robbery from reddit a year or two ago
10:53 mircea_popescu you're ~20k words behind.
10:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i still question that anybody with two legs, anywhere, is dumber than the folx here in good ol' phreeeeeeedomlande
10:54 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I've been reading the reports.. hence my interest.
10:54 shinohai http://archive.is/kx8Gj <<< I may be asshole, but I think ppl like this deserve to lose whatever sums of Bitcoin they had.
10:54 asciilifeform we have a literal meta-africa here
10:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform economically ? did i tell you about the one time when i took over management of a grocery store for 10 minutes ?
10:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when the proprietor went for a smoke ?
10:54 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY
10:55 gabriel_laddel ^ anyways, if that occurs I'd like to be able to stuff a backpack full of explosives, let the guy run off with it and then detonate without being bothered by the feds
10:55 mircea_popescu shinohai gaw fallout innit ? the same fucktards who were importantly commenting on websites, rettardit, tardstalk, what have you and "feeling like a trader/investor/capitalist" for a year or so.
10:56 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel incidentally, if you think that fucktard was "a threat", you have serious issues.
10:56 shinohai Yup, those same fucktards. Now "Please Fbeeeeeeeeeeeye save us!!!!!"
10:56 mircea_popescu for over half the encounter, he was wide the fuck open to a head-to-chin, and the fact that the croc totting ustard DIDNT lay him flat on his ass is an insult to humanity.
10:56 mircea_popescu shinohai because "it ain't right" because "normal people" with "families".
10:57 gabriel_laddel physically I am a twink, anyone trying to rob me with a gun is a threat
10:57 gabriel_laddel my ex-gf was/is stronger than I
10:57 gabriel_laddel (granted, she played sports etc)
10:58 mircea_popescu anyway. ba is safer than a retirement home.
10:58 phf that's a pretty funny video
10:59 asciilifeform did the robber get stabbed? hard to tell from the clip exactly what
10:59 mircea_popescu nah.
10:59 gabriel_laddel the 'victim' just rode away iirc?
10:59 gabriel_laddel and the guy failed to use the gun
10:59 phf who wants a dead american on their hands for couple a hundred bucks?
10:59 gabriel_laddel "did i tell you about the one time when i took over management of a grocery store for 10 minutes ?" < do tell
11:01 asciilifeform what's with robber who puts pistol ~back in pocket~ ?!
11:02 mircea_popescu incidentally : http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/
11:04 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i was sick, recently. wanted supplies. idiots were running one single counter (of the two in the place) and the local women were doing their local womanly bullshit : bagfull of 100+ different 10gram items individually wrapped, to be paid with "credit card". so i asked the girl to call the manager over, and she was like "he's that way" and i was i dun give a shit, call him over. at which point some kid with aspi
11:04 phf mochila is like the guy who мочит
11:04 mircea_popescu rations decided he'd cut in and pretend he's the manager, so i asked him his name, at which point the entire fucking sky fell on his head. he didn't see that one coming, he honestly imagined he's going to be the anonymous responsible & in charge.
11:04 asciilifeform ^^!
11:04 * asciilifeform falls down
11:05 mircea_popescu anyway, they opened the 2nd counter and i was out of there in five minutes.
11:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's what being an argentine is like.
11:05 gabriel_laddel I spoke too soon re mustard gas in sa
11:07 mircea_popescu in general, the correct pattern of interaction with argentines, and i suspect south americans in general, is to talk loudly and carry a whip.
11:07 mircea_popescu they don't understand words, in the sense that the meaning may form but the idea that there's a relation between action and meaning is as foreign to them as tentacles are to mammal reproductory system.
11:07 mircea_popescu but it does get their attention, and the whip does the rest, provided you don't need them for any skilled purpose.
11:08 mircea_popescu they're entirely incapable of skilled labour.
11:08 mircea_popescu except cooking, but that's morel like ritualized activity than labour in any sense.
11:08 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
11:08 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
11:09 phf apparently mochila is backpack
11:10 mircea_popescu anyway, back to the issue : the flow was "ship to montevideo ferry to ba", but this changed recently, and likely to change more in the future. current president is usg tool and pretty firmly set on raping the locals
11:10 mircea_popescu which, incidentally, is an idea i love. these idiots should not exist.
11:10 asciilifeform 'he wears his heart safety-pinned to his backpack, his backpack is all that he knows!' (tm) (r)
11:10 mircea_popescu phf yeah. "sacate la mochilla", which ll = y they mispronounce as sh because mountaineous gits, means "take off your backpack"
11:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you'd prefer ted turner's latifundias to the current fauna ?
11:11 mircea_popescu yes,
11:12 mircea_popescu it is an absurd situation, to hate the usg and propose "independent people" are the solution, then look at what "soberania y patria bla bla" idiots make and decide you'd rather see a slave empire in its place.
11:12 mircea_popescu nevertheless, it's true. if the us napalmed this place into the ground i'd be the first to applaud. it's an insult to humanity.
11:13 asciilifeform so where can we visit actual-people-land ?
11:13 mircea_popescu nowhere that i know.
11:13 asciilifeform nazi colony in antarctica ?
11:13 asciilifeform lel
11:13 gabriel_laddel WoT enabled housing, block by block
11:14 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: visit barriloche
11:14 mircea_popescu the choices are practically various sorts of socialism, and female-led argentina is WAY the fuck worse than female-led us.
11:14 mircea_popescu do you know old women here have the unmitigated gall to sit in cafes ? LIKE THEY WERE PEOPLE ?!?!
11:14 asciilifeform should i be scouting bmore digs for mircea_popescu, lel ?
11:14 mircea_popescu yes.
11:14 asciilifeform i'ma be lookin' at 2 boxes tonight
11:15 asciilifeform not quite diribigle-grade, but cheap!111111
11:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you could get entire street for less than your diesel cost
11:15 phf "backpack or death". that's gotta be lamest gangsta motto i've heard. reminds me of the russian gop stop in the 90s, one tactic was "do you have (cellphone|money|magic the gathering card)?" and if you said no the next gambit always cracked me up "if i found them they will be mine?" like oh shit they're on to me
11:15 gabriel_laddel "visit barriloche" < ?
11:16 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: german enclave
11:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im thinking next stop will probably be us gangland conveniently placed close to large campus.
11:16 mircea_popescu loot, rape and pillage irl.
11:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: jhu !
11:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: precisely where i will be visiting.
11:16 mircea_popescu aha
11:16 asciilifeform there are ~two~ large campusen in bmore
11:16 asciilifeform jhu (posh, private) and umbc (government)
11:17 phf mircea_popescu: south carolina state
11:17 mircea_popescu phf there's options, just, not sure the chicken's cooked yet.
11:17 * mircea_popescu likes his chicken cooked to death.
11:17 asciilifeform pretty sure that one's still cluckin' along
11:18 phf "A small university located in Orangeburg, SC where ghetto kids with low GPA's go so that they are able to say that they attended college. Drug and otherwise criminal activity on campus make the school experience here quite similar to living in the projects."
11:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, but i believe you to be the sort who would have also believed romanian state to exist in 1992.
11:18 mircea_popescu phf nah, that's no good.
11:18 mircea_popescu you want extensive gangland few miles away from large school where idiot middleclass / helimoms send their precious, isolated offspring.
11:19 asciilifeform that'd be jhu.
11:19 phf actually a lot of ivies qualify
11:19 phf upenn is north and south of projects, yale is new haven which is ghetto outside of yale perimeter
11:19 mircea_popescu aha. i am evidently not the only one with this plan.
11:20 asciilifeform http://www.jameslafond.com/btg << the blue zone in top center of lafond's map
11:20 asciilifeform yes, the jhu that has armed escorts from lecture hall to garage
11:20 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: sorry, you want to live in/near ganglang why exactly?
11:20 mircea_popescu anyway. mass rape of, to quote, "many of the most beautiful Jewesses" is never an accident. everything conspires to get the lambs slaugthered.
11:21 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel legal immunity. as they say in civ, "our words are backed with nuclear weapons".
11:22 phf i used to live in dodgy part of west philadelphia, and as i would make my way to civilization you'd start encountering campus police on patrol, which i realized is exactly like medieval sentries. these chubby, mostly ineffective guys and girls doing their rounds at 2am. "2 PAST MIIIDNIGHT. ALL IS SAFE"
11:23 mircea_popescu phf kinda why the black criminal world was so indignant over that trayvon martin thing.
11:23 mircea_popescu "bitch, you got a free pass because your white boy ass can't jump, an' now you go an' kill the homeboy ?!?!?!?"
11:24 asciilifeform same reason nazis were indignant over warsaw ghetto uprising
11:24 mircea_popescu quite so.
11:24 asciilifeform 'bitch dontcha know yer job is to die and make soap'
11:25 mircea_popescu anyway. /me has always lived in ghetto. i can't fucking stand "gated communities" and in general the stench of fear.
11:25 mircea_popescu most of the girls can't either.
11:25 asciilifeform plenty of fear in lafond's redzone
11:26 asciilifeform some of them folk have iron doors that'd be the envy of any bank, etc
11:26 asciilifeform i dunno that i've ever been inside of a 'gated komyoonity'
11:27 asciilifeform does a u.s. army base count ?
11:27 phf girl was complaining in ghetto from time to time "man, i'm tired of these black guys hooting and hollering after me, nigga i'm just trying to make it to the store". so we moved to "safest city in united states" and she ~hates~ it. "men here smell of desperation, frankly i'm more terrified of them then i was of ghetto guys"
11:27 gabriel_laddel sorry, safest city in the us is?
11:27 asciilifeform ..alcatraz?
11:28 phf gabriel_laddel: rockville, md. they had a crime here once, a black guy jaywalked.
11:28 asciilifeform lel i lived there for more than decade
11:28 mircea_popescu phf girl has a solid point.,
11:29 mircea_popescu fucking buffallo, will stampede, nothing you can do. felides and canides have better shit to do than get themselves killed over bothering you.
11:29 phf they have city court, district court and state court, and a police building. i've not seen this many police cars patrollin in my life. even in russia
11:30 asciilifeform phf: somebody's gotta issue them parking ticketz!11
11:30 asciilifeform but yes, phf's description is spot on.
11:30 asciilifeform rockville is where the bureaucrat folk live.
11:30 asciilifeform where the 'red' metro line ends.
11:31 phf actually, saw some police cars rolling around recently, that were straight out of Half Life 2. fully black, matte, all angles tanks
11:31 asciilifeform phf: these were issued to all md police precincts some time after gulf war 2
11:31 asciilifeform for phree.
11:31 asciilifeform they are spiffy, i've been inside one, it is like lenin's little tank
11:32 phf something along these lines http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kgo/images/cms/287477_1280x720.jpg
11:33 asciilifeform aha, them
11:33 asciilifeform see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-05#859183
11:33 a111 Logged on 2014-10-05 03:25 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/R4EbgZN
11:39 mircea_popescu pretty shitty.
11:39 mircea_popescu no mobility, deeply useless as police vehicle. that's an army truck.
11:40 asciilifeform it dun need mobility. plants down, then opens fire from turret.
11:40 asciilifeform siege engine.
11:41 mircea_popescu that is not police.
11:42 asciilifeform it's internal security, guardia civil, whatever. in usa they both, for historic accident, are called 'police'.
11:42 mircea_popescu ya but it also means they lost.
11:42 mircea_popescu ask nypd veteran from the days the city still ~worked, whether he'd like that for a cruiser
11:43 mircea_popescu or, for that matter, what it being the cruiser means.
11:43 asciilifeform how lost ? the apc is there in case the designated africas try to spill into the rockvilles.
11:43 asciilifeform to mow them zulus down.
11:43 asciilifeform but typically the armoured thing is not used as cruiser
11:43 asciilifeform it gets sent to 'situations'
11:43 asciilifeform where there are already 5-6 cruisers writhing impotently
11:44 mircea_popescu situations lol. such vocabulary even.
11:44 asciilifeform their terminology.
11:44 mircea_popescu ситуация :D
11:44 asciilifeform aha.
11:45 mircea_popescu aaaanywya.
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12:56 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i'm guessing zoolag is down?
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13:02 thestringpuller $nodes
13:09 mircea_popescu $ex
13:16 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495250 << no?
13:16 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 16:56 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm guessing zoolag is down?
13:16 asciilifeform blackholed quite often though.
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13:41 thestringpuller 72.83.9.184:8333 ??? that one right?
13:42 shinohai Im experiencing much the same with mine, after a while goes to zero connections and never reconnects unless I restart.
13:46 thestringpuller i can't connect to alf-node
13:47 thestringpuller did another restart. (i pinged the ip and it works?). so we'll see what happens. I'm just using -connect to do initial sync.
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15:36 mircea_popescu no soup for you! come back with note from stalin!
15:37 shinohai >.<
15:43 mircea_popescu and in other wedding news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/59ea216b3448d34ae033dca13746ade7/tumblr_nqsgypF89E1rhw4clo1_500.gif
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16:06 mircea_popescu $up xcfw748
16:06 deedbot xcfw748 voiced for 30 minutes.
16:07 * trinque makes a drive-by comment because otherwise busy drinking at pool with babes
16:08 mircea_popescu bits for tits trinque !
16:08 mircea_popescu help teh faucet flow.
16:08 trinque asciilifeform: UCI is a replacement for AWS or "hosting" or "computing for hire" or whatever you like; comparing it to your beloved home "ox" is ridiculous
16:08 xcfw748 greetings, i have some qntra css that BingoBoingo may be interested in
16:08 * trinque could not be more enthusiastic about joining the UCI conversation when he tires of beer and beauty, bbl!
16:09 xcfw748 BingoBoingo this was very little css https://imgur.com/a/5gId0
16:10 xcfw748 if you like it i can finish up what's in the @media query for mobile and send it over
16:11 mircea_popescu o look, now it looks more like trilema.
16:11 xcfw748 if not, let me know where it falls short and i'll see what i can do
16:11 shinohai http://i.4cdn.org/b/1467483180671.webm <<< for those that like to warm it up before use.
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16:11 * asciilifeform done with the ruinz, now off into generic bmore
16:11 asciilifeform pics later.
16:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i should have sent you some "tits for bits" flyers to put up lolz!
16:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo would luvvvv this place
16:12 asciilifeform all of his favourite creatures are here
16:12 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495262 << it was in teh log!
16:12 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 19:43 mircea_popescu: and in other wedding news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/59ea216b3448d34ae033dca13746ade7/tumblr_nqsgypF89E1rhw4clo1_500.gif
16:13 asciilifeform scootymen, big mamaz, et al
16:13 mircea_popescu not EXACTLY, no!
16:13 mircea_popescu different shot was in log.
16:13 * asciilifeform bbl, off to see ww2 sub
16:14 ben_vulpes no wai
16:19 mircea_popescu lol. alf getting ahead of you in the seeing the world score ben_vulpes ? WHERE'S YOUR PORTLAND NAO, BISH ???
16:22 BingoBoingo xcfw748: Your CSS has too much style. Looks very Wordpress
16:22 ben_vulpes re last shot
16:22 ben_vulpes we have our own sub tyvm
16:22 ben_vulpes 'hunt for red october'
16:23 ben_vulpes ran around in it nearly yearly...for a while
16:23 BingoBoingo And what's with the black links? Are they links?
16:23 BingoBoingo And grey text, wtf?
16:24 BingoBoingo Admirable effort, but doesn't let default styling shine where it should. It's a bit too much
16:26 xcfw748 BingoBoingo thanks for looking
16:26 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ah ok then!
16:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you two know each other ?
16:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: no
16:27 xcfw748 yes, the black links for post titles and sidebar story links are all links. readers are used to them being links by nature of their placement on the page
16:27 xcfw748 the inline links are colored blue to distinguish from adjacent, non link text
16:27 xcfw748 re: gray text, which gray text on the page offends?
16:27 BingoBoingo xcfw748: If you could post moble screenshots of both designs (full page) and you will see why Qntra CSS works. Also no, black text is never links.
16:28 BingoBoingo xcfw748: All of it. Text needs contrast.
16:28 BingoBoingo Why should eyes have to work any harder than the minimum. Let brain do the work, not eyes.
16:41 shinohai ;;later tell mod6 experiment worked, but is only useful for already crafted tx's since there is no signrawtransaction capability yet.
16:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:44 BingoBoingo xcfw748: As we are strangers pls keep conversation in channel
16:44 deedbot [Trilema] Atti impuri all'italiana - http://trilema.com/2016/atti-impuri-allitaliana/
16:45 BingoBoingo $up xcfw748
16:45 deedbot xcfw748 voiced for 30 minutes.
16:45 xcfw748 BingoBoingo noted. is this a direction you would be interested in given some modifications? or is it not the right aesthetic for qntra?
16:45 BingoBoingo The problem is not the aesthetic, but the usability
16:46 BingoBoingo Mission #1 of currenct qntra design is to be maximally accessible independent of device, browser, or physical handicap
16:47 xcfw748 this is a good mission
16:47 xcfw748 i believe some adjustments can be made to address your concerns
16:49 xcfw748 brb making adjustments
16:49 BingoBoingo But as qntra's been around a while now also gotta maintain brand identity, which means current color scheme
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16:50 BingoBoingo And no specifying fonts, because what if people prefer to change their default font to their favorite?
16:50 BingoBoingo And so on tends to lead to the current theme staying the same.
16:51 xcfw748 did not change the font specification from the current css
16:51 BingoBoingo BTW, have you ever read Qntra on Moble?
16:51 xcfw748 yes, i appreciated when the @media query was added
16:51 xcfw748 makes reading on phone much easier
16:52 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495319 <<< this I agree with. The current scheme is instantly identifiable as Qntra, beyond shadow of a doubt.
16:52 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 20:49 BingoBoingo: But as qntra's been around a while now also gotta maintain brand identity, which means current color scheme
16:55 mod6 shinohai: hey, thanks for checking that out.
16:56 xcfw748 BingoBoingo shinohai agree completely. however, brands do evolve over time. i intended this to be an evolutionary update. perhaps went to far?
16:57 shinohai It certainly isn't my decision to make, ignore me. I am of the "if not broke, why fix?" camp
16:57 shinohai np mod6. signing raw tx's would have to be a 15 quintillion step process xD
17:00 xcfw748 thanks for your time, if i get bored again i may take another pass keeping feedback in mind
17:01 shinohai >.>
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17:20 BingoBoingo ty
17:25 shinohai ?
17:26 BingoBoingo ??
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18:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495275 << jaysus she falls on the trough no less.
18:21 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 20:11 shinohai: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1467483180671.webm <<< for those that like to warm it up before use.
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18:54 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
18:54 gribble Current Blocks: 419023 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 304 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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19:36 shinohai http://archive.is/h9UtE <<< supernova to close their ethereum mining pool, because fuck the hard fork.
19:36 shinohai lulzy
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19:51 BingoBoingo $up plp
19:51 deedbot plp voiced for 30 minutes.
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21:21 mats so i looked at the remaining judge's case history (Charles Wilson) and he doesn't have any that meet the qualifications
21:22 mircea_popescu mats say leave a comment with link to the csv you used for source, and with your extracted set
21:23 mircea_popescu ima give it a week or something see if there's objections or anything ?
21:23 mats ok
21:23 mircea_popescu anyone else with an interest in paralegal work - now's your chance btw.
21:24 mircea_popescu shinohai kinda almost not really qntra item huh
21:25 mircea_popescu anyway, eth is going up up up i see.
21:25 shinohai I thought about it but they are a pretty small pool in terms of total net hash.
21:25 * asciilifeform baaaak
21:25 * mircea_popescu remembers fondly the times back... oh, was it like maybe two weeks ago ? when the victorious forces of derp bought their way out of the hole because hey, they got enough moneyz to bury me or something ?
21:25 mircea_popescu such good times.
21:26 mircea_popescu "For the other thing, rape’s no fun if the meat’s not at the very least squiggling and the #etherape’s no different."
21:26 mircea_popescu wb asciilifeform
21:26 mircea_popescu looking forward to your first loperos article as a real estate mog-owl.
21:26 asciilifeform i didn't buy any
21:28 asciilifeform reckoned up the cost of the missing parts, and it + base cost is > what i got.
21:29 mircea_popescu lol
21:30 * asciilifeform poorphag
21:31 mircea_popescu i'm curious what ending up paying 10x more to host servers than you pay to host women in a given month will do to your "i dun wanna rent" perspective.
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21:32 mircea_popescu but in other news, the best pears ever got in season here, they're fabulous
21:32 asciilifeform mm
21:32 * mircea_popescu bought a coupla dozen, chopped them off, stuck in jars with clove, muskatnuss, a little alspice and about 3 bottles of cognac
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21:32 mircea_popescu now i have an army of delicious jars
21:32 asciilifeform the locals were an interesting set of mental case
21:33 asciilifeform old white bloke on electric wheelchair going up, down, up, down, the street, all day long
21:33 asciilifeform buncha duded hanging around doing ~nothing
21:33 asciilifeform the whole lafond safari set in one place
21:33 asciilifeform *dudes
21:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495363 << waiwut?
21:34 a111 Logged on 2016-07-03 01:31 mircea_popescu: i'm curious what ending up paying 10x more to host servers than you pay to host women in a given month will do to your "i dun wanna rent" perspective.
21:35 mircea_popescu in other news nobody cares about, ethereum komoonity turning ugly with "what if fork doesn't get consensus" and other anxieties.
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21:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what part ?
21:35 asciilifeform why would running a great many servers change my perspective ?
21:36 mircea_popescu i dunno, perspectives change.
21:36 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495375 <<< I am watching the topic eagerly, just waiting for a good Qntra to emerge.
21:36 a111 Logged on 2016-07-03 01:35 mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, ethereum komoonity turning ugly with "what if fork doesn't get consensus" and other anxieties.
21:36 asciilifeform as it is, i bleed megatonnes of money
21:36 asciilifeform and would like to not.
21:36 asciilifeform and dun see this changing.
21:37 mircea_popescu $1mn in rents ?
21:37 asciilifeform eventually.
21:38 mircea_popescu nice castle you got thar!
21:38 asciilifeform lel
21:39 asciilifeform the idea of paying ~0 is so alluring, it is like dividing by zero
21:39 mircea_popescu "Where Can I Find The Latest Update On The Path Forward? Its stressful here now on Reddit trying to navigate content with all the Trolls that have arrived lately trying to spread lies and FUD."
21:39 asciilifeform l0l!!
21:40 asciilifeform where is this
21:40 mircea_popescu awww! funny how these always go the same way.
21:40 mircea_popescu gaw veterans no doubt remember the same "1.oh we're taking over the world 2.no nevermind, tiny road bump ; 3. o wait we got a fix ; 4. crap the fix don't work but we'll pull together as a assburger community ; 5. omfg the trolls!!!!"
21:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4qwdjq/where_can_i_find_the_latest_update_on_the_path/ << the irony self-crit of that title...
21:41 mircea_popescu but anyway, desperation mounts. kinda preview of hilary campaign come november.
21:43 shinohai tfw entire community is made up of trollz
21:47 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4qwdjq/where_can_i_find_the_latest_update_on_the_path/d4x18b9 << lel
21:48 BingoBoingo Who ever knew there'd be a day when plumbing pressurized supply became easier than plumbing drain
21:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. the chain of forced mistakes.
21:50 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
21:50 mircea_popescu usually begins with a http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484667
21:50 a111 Logged on 2016-06-18 17:54 mircea_popescu: and when i finally croak ima go to saint peter an' say loudly an' clearly "what are you droning on about, old man, i didn't do nuttin'. ASK ANYONE!"
21:50 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 702.75, vol: 5583.87470251 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 681.272, vol: 6102.92955 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 702.28, vol: 31902.94784956 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 676.0, vol: 0.22 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 710.417462, vol: 42318.61990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 702.94, vol: 1270.97609253 | Volume-weighted last average: 704.79909141
21:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What can't you fix in these houses that goes beyond two 100 ft rolls of PEX and crimping tools?
21:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: missing floors, wall wiring, furnace, bathroom contents, entirety of kitchen, etc.
21:56 asciilifeform it isn't that all of this cannot be fixed, but that the cost adds up quickly.
21:56 asciilifeform tanstaafl (tm) (r).
21:57 BingoBoingo Floors nbd, wiring... who needs more than 3 outlets, furnace < fireplace
21:57 BingoBoingo ALso who needs more than one sink?
21:57 asciilifeform ugh
21:58 BingoBoingo What? Your hill and Kalash not comfy enough?
21:58 asciilifeform need dry and at 20c or so.
21:59 BingoBoingo Spend one outlet from your budget on dehumidifier, another on window AC for whichever room you choose to condition.
21:59 mircea_popescu "I am hoping there will be a hard fork and all is resolved soon so that we can go back to normal days with the excitement of watching and reading about all the innovation that is going on with Ethereum. Maybe /u/vbuterin if you have time."
21:59 mircea_popescu epic.
22:00 mircea_popescu and this filth, this scum, these apeish subhuman objects of scorn and derision aim to participate in things ? with people ? form communities ? have a voice ?
22:00 mircea_popescu holy shit on a stick NO. just NO.
22:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Anyways if you use sharbites (even if you decide to use legacy copper theft bait) the entire spectrum of expenses incurred by the plumbing profession is eliminated on the water supply side
22:03 mircea_popescu if he has to build a kitchen that's 30-40k ezy.
22:03 asciilifeform ^
22:03 BingoBoingo Maybe if he wants some sort of decorator kitchen with appliances and bullshit
22:03 BingoBoingo What's wrong with white gas stove?
22:06 mircea_popescu eh, prolly starts with fixing the floor, an' the pipes and etc.
22:06 mircea_popescu the fact is, condemned property is usually more expensive to fix than greenfield development.
22:06 asciilifeform it wasn't condemned
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22:06 asciilifeform new roof and approved by city for sale.
22:06 asciilifeform $16k.
22:06 mircea_popescu ah
22:07 BingoBoingo Are there termites y/n?
22:07 asciilifeform surprisingly, no visible vermin
22:07 asciilifeform possibly because no human habitation since '90s
22:07 mircea_popescu still, it's a profession. job like this undertook by innocent party can easily cost 10x more than commercial value.
22:07 BingoBoingo Stab any structural members with a screwdriver to be sure no vermin?
22:08 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Still a profession of drains, but the push-to-connect fittings are pretty much it for anyone who can measure, cut, and deburr pipe.
22:09 mircea_popescu you'd be surprised.
22:09 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/873d0b0e13.jpg << kitchen. (more pics later.)
22:10 mircea_popescu lol he moved off imgur
22:10 asciilifeform on the left hand side: sink trap, yes.
22:10 asciilifeform tired of the ad bar
22:10 asciilifeform but this crapola ain't ever going on my actual blog.
22:10 mircea_popescu why not?
22:10 mircea_popescu jesus
22:10 asciilifeform and i'm not wholly convinced that it isn't a waste of bandwidth, srsly
22:11 BingoBoingo does that drain convey water down? if yes the expensive part of your one sink is done!
22:11 trinque "this is not my real self"
22:11 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/8744fd6ac2.jpg << bedroom.
22:11 trinque :D
22:11 asciilifeform trinque: my blog has an actual subj.
22:11 trinque just fucking around man
22:11 mircea_popescu this notion, "Blog has subj" is the fucking mind eater.
22:12 mircea_popescu it's ~YOUR~ blog.
22:12 mircea_popescu it's not "a sort of book".
22:12 BingoBoingo 1 can of expanding foam, wall insulated
22:12 trinque "I the eater of computer worlds one day saw this shithole" .jpg
22:12 trinque nothing wrong with that
22:13 mircea_popescu trinque well, he does have more blog than you :D
22:13 BingoBoingo trinque: Also those articles are good for actual SEO
22:13 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/874a35e17c.jpg << a craaaaaazi game of poaaaakah!!1 i lost it all!111ilost it all
22:13 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/874a3eee3e.jpg << rrrrring. it's for you.
22:13 asciilifeform ^ yes, hard-wired to the house. hence still in the rubble.
22:13 trinque mircea_popescu: yeah but. but!
22:14 trinque asciilifeform: this half demo'd?
22:14 asciilifeform nope.
22:14 asciilifeform new roof.
22:14 trinque o good. lol
22:14 BingoBoingo Sell phone on ebay, buy one GFCI outlet with proceeds
22:14 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/874f207a2b.jpg << shitter.
22:15 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/8751feb135.jpg << neighbour.
22:15 BingoBoingo Intact
22:15 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/87542d9ea6.jpg << tub, with can of cat food.
22:15 mats mircea_popescu: submitted
22:15 BingoBoingo Your sign "I have less than him here, your move"
22:16 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/8755d5b992.jpg << where they eat.
22:16 mircea_popescu ty mats
22:16 trinque ATM 15.0 ... wtf
22:16 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/87582032d9.jpg << moar tuna than you will ever see in one place.
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22:17 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/875ad96a52.jpg << room-temperature meat thing.
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22:17 BingoBoingo Y you no want to live with catfolk?
22:18 asciilifeform https://i.imgsafe.org/875dac0d89.jpg << gigantic castle-like thing on the horizon, with trees growing through the roof.
22:18 asciilifeform abandoned eons ago.
22:18 mircea_popescu 88cents a can ?
22:18 asciilifeform aha.
22:19 asciilifeform anyway this ought to suffice as a general picture.
22:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Why did you not tour Castle?!
22:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it wasn't for sale.
22:19 asciilifeform and prolly exceeds what my organs are worth, at any rate
22:19 asciilifeform perhaps it could be mircea_popescu's castle of doom
22:19 mats it appears judgepedia has a better idea of how many federal magistrates there are than the website of the Federal Judicial Center
22:19 asciilifeform has own crematorium even
22:19 mircea_popescu lol thestringpuller been a busy little blogger lately has he
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22:20 mircea_popescu mats howso ?
22:20 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He's still not doing it every day, but is getting better at it.
22:20 mircea_popescu word.
22:20 BingoBoingo http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infhomesale/infhomerehab.html
22:21 mats actually, never mind
22:21 * adlai misread "microwavable douche" <<< http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495477
22:21 a111 Logged on 2016-07-03 02:17 asciilifeform: https://i.imgsafe.org/875ad96a52.jpg << room-temperature meat thing.
22:21 mats i was looking at the wrong comment in the thread
22:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this thing was in the middle of ladond's red zone map
22:30 asciilifeform and pretty much everything he wrote, as far as i could discern, was true.
22:31 asciilifeform i especially liked this kind of motorcycle that the local orcs ride, it looks like it is made for a boy, their arses just nearly touch the ground !
22:31 asciilifeform whole thing is maybe as tall as a chair's seat !
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22:31 BingoBoingo lol
22:32 asciilifeform they were tiny, truly, could fit in a car's boot
22:33 asciilifeform oddly enough there were many white folk
22:33 asciilifeform but they had a certain peculiar appearance about them
22:33 asciilifeform haggard, if you will
22:33 asciilifeform possibly moved from the 'trailer parks' to the cheap row houses
22:35 mats the nice thing about alf is that he's an equal opportunity racist
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22:37 * asciilifeform hates everybody but the catfolk
22:37 mats i was just thinking about the bug men comment from earlier (no i don't take it personally)
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22:37 mats people smell funny
22:37 asciilifeform funnily enough, i liked the orcs.
22:38 asciilifeform they did not bother me.
22:38 asciilifeform (why? i dunno)
22:38 mats do you dress like you're poor?
22:38 asciilifeform i dressed in ordinary civilian clothing.
22:44 mats on a different subject, i admit i have trouble imagining how to make uci useful
22:46 trinque orcs have no pretense to being something better
22:46 trinque everyone else in US.. does.
22:46 mats the plan is to run it on bare metal, isn't it? doesn't that end up being pretty expensive?
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22:47 trinque same reason I don't mind rednecks
22:48 mats what kinda services are going to be involved that it'd be profitable to operate the infrastructure and build the code in the first place
22:51 trinque would anyone pay for a reliable way to ensure bitcoin txn are broadcast widely?
22:51 trinque that one seems obvious
23:02 asciilifeform http://www.jameslafond.com/btg/inspiration.jpg << house was ~at 'death'
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23:21 trinque j/i
23:21 trinque aw crap.
23:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495509 <<< ahahaha
23:28 a111 Logged on 2016-07-03 02:35 mats: the nice thing about alf is that he's an equal opportunity racist
23:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495511 << hm, i parsed that in the sense of orwell's "bug men". you think he meant azns ?
23:30 a111 Logged on 2016-07-03 02:37 mats: i was just thinking about the bug men comment from earlier (no i don't take it personally)
23:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495521 << not sure what you mean ?
23:31 a111 Logged on 2016-07-03 02:46 mats: the plan is to run it on bare metal, isn't it? doesn't that end up being pretty expensive?
23:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-06#1190095 << these.
23:32 a111 Logged on 2015-07-06 20:54 mircea_popescu: which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis
23:33 asciilifeform life as anthill.
23:34 mircea_popescu hm
23:40 mircea_popescu ftr : to force google to use the fucking sane index as opposed to "localized" and other bullshit, google.com/ncr
23:42 mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Ripple/ << in other ethereum news. the previous incarnation, that was going to "take over" 2013-2014, is so fucking hot right now a two week suck-up is front page news still.
23:57 mod6 asciilifeform: yeah, that would have been quite the ambitious remodel to say the least.
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