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01:08 BingoBoingo $deed http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
01:08 * deedbot hands you a broomstick.
01:08 trinque I'm over here pulling at his guts
01:08 trinque I'll put that in
01:09 trinque BingoBoingo: is that the one from earlier?
01:09 trinque already went, but my node doesn't see it yet for some reason
01:12 trinque node's like 20 blocks behind because reasons
01:19 BingoBoingo yeah
01:28 trinque $deed http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
01:28 deedbot accepted: 1
01:28 trinque fxd
01:29 BingoBoingo ty
01:31 trinque $deed http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
01:31 deedbot accepted: 1
01:35 trinque $help
01:35 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
01:35 trinque ^ updated with $deed
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01:40 mircea_popescu nice.
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07:38 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494170 <<< very cool
07:38 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 05:35 trinque: ^ updated with $deed
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08:10 mircea_popescu $up DaoSancho
08:10 deedbot DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
08:10 shinohai Morning Senor Popescu how goes it?
08:11 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
08:11 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 678.33, vol: 7829.46519718 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 662.014, vol: 10617.98838 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 679.93, vol: 46887.39888891 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 1.096 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 681.493448, vol: 43281.03350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 2388.00600844 | Volume-weighted last average: 678.714472444
08:12 mircea_popescu not bad!
08:13 mircea_popescu how about yourself ?
08:14 shinohai Nice here, having some tea and watching sunrise.
08:14 shinohai I need to go out to store before all the 4th-of-July derps clog up the roads.
08:16 mircea_popescu im having rum and watching butts rise. altogether a wash!
08:20 shinohai Rum sounds like an excellent idea, may pick up a bottle later.
08:20 mircea_popescu havana club or no deal!
08:21 thestringpuller shinohai: no work for you today?
08:22 thestringpuller also shinohai how can you stand driving in your area? I was there during rush hour last night and think I had a minor stroke.
08:22 shinohai thestringpuller: I don't have a job other than trb/Qntra
08:22 shinohai Don't drive either, I use taxis :D
08:22 thestringpuller MUST BE NICE
08:22 thestringpuller :D
08:23 shinohai You too can sit at home all day if you allow an undocumented worker hit you with a forklift!
08:25 shinohai mircea_popescu: Which one are you drinking? I see like 7 types of Havana club for sale.
08:25 shinohai Añejo Especial looks yummy.
08:25 thestringpuller Oh wow! Sorry to hear that happened :( At least you can work on real stuff now? (Brighter side of darkness?)
08:26 shinohai There are worse fates.
08:27 mircea_popescu anejo 7yo prolly best.
08:30 mircea_popescu motherfucker.
08:30 mircea_popescu in which we find nano ignores the r / -fill= switch
08:30 mircea_popescu BECAUSE WHY THE FUCKNO
08:44 thestringpuller you're using nano?
08:45 mircea_popescu evidently
08:50 thestringpuller i always figured you'd use emacs.
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09:08 mircea_popescu nah
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09:25 shinohai He uses nah-no
09:31 mircea_popescu lol
09:31 mircea_popescu i also use vi!
09:31 mircea_popescu and sometimes i actually edit files straight from bash.
09:31 * shinohai adores vi
09:33 shinohai I dislike nano because I like having line #'s displayed
09:33 mircea_popescu doing some research in the bowels of trilema i fell upon http://trilema.com/2014/the-internet-race-gap/ "So to sum up : the average number of black people on the Internet is, on average, about 15% lower than the average numer of black people on the Internet as far as we can see - and it's probably even worse as far as we can't see."
09:33 mircea_popescu truly web measures are a measure of wonder.
09:34 mircea_popescu shinohai yeah, i don't always care. i like nano when it's a simple matter of "i know what i'm looking for, but approximately, so it's easier to ctrl-w and look at context than to grep string"
09:34 mircea_popescu and ctrl-c will give you position, which in my head beats line count.
09:34 shinohai cat -n :D
09:35 mircea_popescu yeah i guess.
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09:57 shinohai lol Shaun Bridges possibly stole even more Bitcoin than the feebs originally stated. http://archive.is/DpFL6
10:04 mircea_popescu heh.
10:18 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 177065872435 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Jonata Jose da Silva (Seguranca) <jonatajs_@hotmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/320074624769C4288C4D85636555E72FA35CEF0F542A2481AF3BC98F17C1C6E3
10:20 shinohai John McAfee to start a hydroelectric Bitcoin mining operation, becomes target of Chinese mining cartels.
10:21 mircea_popescu was this in normal time ?
10:24 shinohai I wonder what happened to his "blockchain sekoority" venture.
10:30 mircea_popescu he prolly had breakfast and forgot all about it.
10:30 mircea_popescu very common occurence in senior citizen homes.
10:32 shinohai >.<
10:33 mircea_popescu also happens when they cross thresholds.
10:34 mircea_popescu which is why the sub-normals end up gathered around doorways. they approach a threshold, get all panicked, stop. then eventually they cross it, at which point - mindblank.
10:34 mircea_popescu most idiots take 15 minutes to clear two feet if you put any sort of arch, gate or door there.
10:35 mircea_popescu whoa asciilifeform that's A NEW ONE
10:37 mircea_popescu 5 * 17 * 11353 * 183487
10:39 asciilifeform hm
10:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: flipolade.
10:40 asciilifeform like the last dozen or so.
10:41 mircea_popescu aha.
10:41 mircea_popescu new flipolade tho ?>
10:41 asciilifeform new.
10:41 asciilifeform 'According to an affidavit unsealed Thursday, the Justice Department learned in April 2015 that Bridges might have kept a private cryptographic key giving him access to a bitcoin wallet with the $700,000 in currency that the Silk Road task force had seized in 2014. The department urged the agency to move the funds elsewhere. “Unfortunately, the U.S. Secret Service did not do so and the funds were thereafter stolen, something the U.
10:41 asciilifeform S. Secret Service only discovered once it was ordered by a court to pay a portion of the seizure back to affected claimants,”...' << gold
10:42 mircea_popescu lol
10:43 mircea_popescu see ? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493450
10:43 a111 Logged on 2016-06-30 15:46 mircea_popescu: it's why nsa fails so badly. all their budget goes to filling the barn, ~none to guarding the barn.
10:46 phf “A judge in Virginia rules that people should have no expectation of privacy on their home PCs because no connected computer "is immune from invasion."”
10:47 mircea_popescu heh
10:47 mircea_popescu i'm sorry, was he hearing a rape case ?
10:48 mircea_popescu "females should have no expectation of control over the usage of their girly bits, because well.... oooobviously".
10:48 mircea_popescu if she's old enough to walk, she's not imune from ravishment, amirite.
10:49 asciilifeform phf: last week's nyooz
10:49 phf $s judge Virginia privacy
10:49 a111 2 results for "judge Virginia privacy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=judge%20Virginia%20privacy
10:49 phf huh!
10:50 deedbot [Trilema] Reddit, the derpage of the Internet - http://trilema.com/2016/reddit-the-derpage-of-the-internet/
10:55 mircea_popescu hmm seems it decided to skip one
10:55 mircea_popescu anyway jurov shares added.
10:57 shinohai mircea_popescu, this may be one of my favourite Trilema posts evah.
10:57 mircea_popescu o, really ?!
10:59 shinohai lulzy. Much better than trolling x user with a downvote script.
10:59 mircea_popescu cool.
10:59 mircea_popescu well, spread the word lol.
11:03 * shinohai likes the crafty, rum-swigging mircea_popescu
11:04 mircea_popescu *thumbsup*
11:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! what's the signature of ?
11:16 mircea_popescu (note also you have no proof it was me! because the signature doesn't check out!)
11:18 mircea_popescu and in other social meda / let's watch snails fuck news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/81ebd498b74133dd0a57cb55e6901bc8/tumblr_o0dlr0D4Ee1rat4opo3_500.gif
11:19 asciilifeform ^ this has got to be near-critical mass or sumthing
11:19 asciilifeform slotin holding them hemispheres apart with cock.
11:24 mircea_popescu lol
11:24 mircea_popescu woman is a superbly engineered piece of machinery ; can take incredible amts of abuse
11:25 asciilifeform i meant the cockz
11:25 asciilifeform they are packed rather tightly.
11:26 asciilifeform any tighter and they fuse.
11:27 mircea_popescu fusecock!
11:28 asciilifeform cuckfusion.
11:28 phf that's an oglaf strip right there
11:28 mircea_popescu http://deliciousnights.tumblr.com/post/136528012045/adriana-chechik-adriana-chechik-the-ultimate << the whole strip / sauce for the eager.
11:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's the use of spamming reddit ?
11:40 asciilifeform srs q.
11:41 shinohai I dunno what mp's answer is, but FOR THE LULZ!
11:41 mircea_popescu we can't be spammed. web-anything "social media" or whatever you call the bullshit - can. this advantage must be a) kept sharp and b) driven through.
11:41 asciilifeform ah hm now i recall mircea_popescu had a piece about spamming derps to death
11:42 mircea_popescu diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform davout jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
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11:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform perfectly fine way to win a war, don your scuba diving suit and drown the place.
11:43 mircea_popescu there's a humongo strategic difference between "no alternative exists" and "we don't like the alternative as it contradicts our ideology". bitcoin is the ur-example of how to drive this through.
11:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i am quite familiar with this strategy, given as it was the u.s. army's unofficial doctrine for chemical warfare (eat butyrylcholinesterase 'bioscavenger' antidote, then release sarin)
11:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but these considerations aside, looky : http://startupbros.com/cracking-reddit-how-to-get-thousands-of-visitors-to-your-campaign-with-reddit-marketing/
11:45 mircea_popescu that reddit is not worth a dime alltogether is true ; yet there's an ample supply of these idiots who think otherwise. why not help them get their "traffics" ?
11:46 asciilifeform ok in that sense, yes.
11:47 mircea_popescu well i wasn't about to teach you how to cat, curl and sed was i.
11:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280 << dunno about other folx but i have a parachute packed for this.
11:47 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 15:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform davout jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
11:47 mircea_popescu works.
11:48 asciilifeform several, in fact.
11:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the article is in fact linked first thing in the piece, or did you have another in mind ?
11:49 asciilifeform the very same! i missed it.
11:50 mircea_popescu a kk then
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12:11 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280 << done.
12:11 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 15:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform davout jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
12:23 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
12:23 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
12:23 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: have you ever considered becoming a glass blower?
12:24 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i've worked glass.
12:24 asciilifeform but never anything serious or remarkable.
12:25 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel is fond of glass ?
12:25 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyXMEpq4qw << mega-classic.
12:25 gabriel_laddel Not especially, but was brainstorming products to sell in SA (south america) that are a PITA to get into / create here in the USSA
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12:25 gabriel_laddel I for one would like to be able to buy pyrex, and not the re-branded crap either.
12:26 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i had an idea re pyrex, a few yrs ago
12:26 asciilifeform simple pocket spectroscope that would let you distinguish shit-faux-pyrex from the real on, in a shop.
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12:26 asciilifeform *real one
12:27 phf would make you millions with granola crowd
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12:27 asciilifeform (the owners of the trademark are cashing in, in the familiar american style, by selling exploding junk glass instead)
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12:28 asciilifeform http://nowiknow.com/the-war-against-pyrex << for n000bz.
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12:29 gabriel_laddel http://mazepath.com/uncleal/neon2.htm
12:29 gabriel_laddel ^ another fun thing to do in irl ba
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12:30 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: pyrex is ~4% boron by mass, ought to have absorption line there.
12:30 asciilifeform soda lime glass will not.
12:30 asciilifeform work it out yerself.
12:31 gabriel_laddel ty
12:31 asciilifeform and if you ask mircea_popescu it is difficult to get so much as a stapler in buenos aires
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12:31 asciilifeform at least in quantity.
12:38 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494307 <<< Clandestine meth producers would also appreciate.
12:38 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 16:26 asciilifeform: simple pocket spectroscope that would let you distinguish shit-faux-pyrex from the real on, in a shop.
12:38 asciilifeform shinohai: why's that
12:39 asciilifeform proper labware - e.g., roundbottoms - are, afaik, still genuine borosilicate
12:39 asciilifeform incidentally before the invention of borosilicate glass, it was customary for chemists to blow their own labware.
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12:40 asciilifeform (the high-temp variant needs an oxygen flame and is tricky to work)
12:40 shinohai asciilifeform I suppose to not have equipment send flying shards of glass and nasty chemiclas all into face
12:41 asciilifeform you don't even need glass! for meth.
12:42 asciilifeform the leuckart wallach reaction, or the grignard, or whatever other processes, work ok in stainless steel
12:42 asciilifeform (iirc they use old fire extinguishers for pressure vessel now)
12:43 asciilifeform i must point out, glass is seldom used in chemical industry proper
12:43 asciilifeform terrible material.
12:44 shinohai There was local "law-enforcement" advisory in the area once, asking citizens to report suspicious buyers of old glassware at yard sales.
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12:44 shinohai Because totally gonna use that to make crystal instead of brownies.
12:45 asciilifeform in new york, you can (or at least once could) be imprisoned for 'unlicensed' beaker.
12:46 asciilifeform probably elsewhere.
12:46 shinohai O.o
12:46 gabriel_laddel $s what color are your atoms
12:46 a111 1 results for "what color are your atoms", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=what%20color%20are%20your%20atoms
12:47 gabriel_laddel $seen brendafdez
12:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-29#850232 << see also.
12:47 a111 Logged on 2014-09-29 20:07 asciilifeform: owns beaker? terrorist. all that remains is for inquisitor to establish what naughty substance you were making (or intended to make - separate article in penal code)
12:48 asciilifeform in much of usa, it is easier to buy kalash than roundbottom flask.
12:49 asciilifeform (usg doesn't really, despite the pretense, much care re pea shooter)
12:49 asciilifeform go buy nitric acid.
12:50 asciilifeform and watch the paperworks.
12:53 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
12:53 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
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13:36 trinque ey ben_vulpes, can I get you to crank that knob in nginx sometime today?
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14:04 ben_vulpes $wot
14:04 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e66f8f4f-0602-41f0-810e-6cae9d40af05/
14:04 ben_vulpes trinque: ^^
14:05 trinque woo!
14:05 trinque ty
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14:34 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494134 << there's always minigod, neh?
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14:34 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 03:22 mircea_popescu: church of x is a little dubious neh ?
14:35 asciilifeform l0L!!
14:35 asciilifeform win.
14:39 asciilifeform in other nyooz, i finally found some properly greedy folk in bmore willing to show me some boxez
14:45 phf u $wot m8
14:48 hanbot asciilifeform didja learn their variety speak? or figure it's a fluke (i thought theory was wrong demo)?
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14:50 phf probably just found somebody who has their shit sufficiently together to follow up on a sales lead without much prodding
14:50 hanbot inconceivable!
14:51 asciilifeform hanbot: greed trumps all.
14:51 asciilifeform nobody cares if yer a martian or whatever.
15:00 davout http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280 <<< done!
15:00 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 15:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform davout jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
15:00 davout see #bitcoin-central
15:05 phf davout: too late, all the action is happening in #trilema-trinque
15:05 davout let's see
15:20 mircea_popescu lol
15:25 jurov trinque: what a stratagem!
15:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487036 <<|>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493199
15:25 a111 Logged on 2016-06-30 13:04 shinohai: In other news, r/btc is celebrating this morning imagining that angry miners will soon adopt Classic and usher in the fork.
15:25 a111 Logged on 2016-06-22 16:02 ascii_deadfiber: i expect a shift of resources back to the 'corrode bitcoin' stratagem, vs the 'pump shitcoin'
15:26 mircea_popescu for teh records.
15:26 shinohai >.>
15:26 mircea_popescu jurov * Cannot join #trilema-jurov (Channel is invite only). << you're not too shabby yourself :D
15:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494304 <<< ahahahaha. mno.
15:28 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 16:25 gabriel_laddel: Not especially, but was brainstorming products to sell in SA (south america) that are a PITA to get into / create here in the USSA
15:29 mircea_popescu there's nothing the us can make that the thirld world needs and couldn't make. kinda why we're here in the first place, libertards ruined "the civilised world".
15:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494309 << no because couldn't be transported and also minimum wage.
15:29 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 16:27 phf: would make you millions with granola crowd
15:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494313 << wait, i'm confused. you... live in buenos aires ?
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15:32 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 16:29 gabriel_laddel: ^ another fun thing to do in irl ba
15:33 mircea_popescu o holy shit the uncleal link. casimir effect ?! bejesus.
15:34 mircea_popescu anyone actually tried that ?
15:37 mircea_popescu "When a technology matures into a cash cow and then grows old, research into subtle undiscovered potentials abates in the name of cost-cutting. The neon sign has been common for a half-century and more. It is obvious that nothing remains to be discovered. There is no further technology to evolve, there are no new art forms to explore, there is no possible cross-fertilization with other disciplines" <<< al has an excellet poin
15:37 mircea_popescu t. it is not only, and not principally, and arguably barely at all the sin of inept us management that it drives the productive forces of its slave empire into dead ends.
15:38 mircea_popescu the true sin is that it pretends to seal off all sorts of good parts.
15:47 mircea_popescu for every "go to college" piece of bad math and general ineptitude (see http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ << btw, took me 5 minutes to fish this out, because apparently google filters out any searches related to airports, planes, etc from site:trilema.com type searches thank you tsa, you've clearly helped LOTS!)
15:48 mircea_popescu that cost the us 100 bucks, there's ten "this is a solved problem" idiocies that cost 100 mn each.
15:48 mircea_popescu $up plp
15:48 deedbot plp voiced for 30 minutes.
15:48 mircea_popescu $up spoonzy_
15:48 deedbot spoonzy_ voiced for 30 minutes.
15:55 mircea_popescu and in other incredibly postmodern lulz : https://archive.is/zhCZf << postmodern art must be translated, so : fbi.gov has a banner roller just like any wanna-be "news site^Hmedia property" of the "mainsteam" variety. on this roller, because they apparently ran out of photographs or photography, in the age of the most abundant photographism, they have a picture of a lcd screen. that lcd screen depicts material originated from
15:55 mircea_popescu them, and not pleading in favour of their intelligence, organisational importance or general sanity : they captured some black chick that shat her unwanted baby in a toilet and flushed. THIS is a "top 10 fugitive".
15:55 mircea_popescu how to take usg seriously ? explain this to me.
15:59 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494318 << speaking of which, i went into a shoe repair shop here the other day for laces (which are not sold in shoe stores, mind you). they had one. not one pair, one shoelace.
15:59 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 16:31 asciilifeform: and if you ask mircea_popescu it is difficult to get so much as a stapler in buenos aires
16:00 mircea_popescu ahahah what
16:00 hanbot the guy actually took out a second lace from a pair of shoes he was trying to sell and gave me that one to go with.
16:00 mircea_popescu if i were a younger, innocent verision of myself, like the quoted alf has the unspeakable advantage of being, i'd disbelieve this story.
16:00 mircea_popescu as it is...
16:01 trinque lol
16:06 trinque I guess now if you went in it'd read "from his pair of shoes he was trying to sell"
16:06 mircea_popescu ahahaha that's more like guatemala.
16:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494310 << no because progress. tempered lime crapola is "just as good". PARETO SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE!!11
16:07 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 16:27 asciilifeform: (the owners of the trademark are cashing in, in the familiar american style, by selling exploding junk glass instead)
16:07 mircea_popescu you don't understand how the world works.
16:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494324 << i had carbide-oxygen blowtorch, blew own glass for my private chemistry lab as a 12yo!
16:08 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 16:39 asciilifeform: incidentally before the invention of borosilicate glass, it was customary for chemists to blow their own labware.
16:08 mircea_popescu borosilicate glass tubage of any diameter you wanted was ~40 cents per kg.
16:22 ben_vulpes o.O
16:22 ben_vulpes shitty products are a viable strategy when nobody remembers quality.
16:23 ben_vulpes quality is also expensive, and if the engineers not managed, can readily turn into an unbounded downside cost.
16:25 jurov i dunno wtf is this all about. here borosilicate glassware like this is cheaply and widely available, i use it every day, it's suitable even for open flame http://www.panvice.sk/kanvica-svatava-1-5-litra-simax.html
16:26 jurov even "defined by ISO 3585 stadard"
16:27 jurov i did break some, but always mechanically, never by heat/cold cycle
16:34 shinohai o/ jurov my coin.br account isn't reflecting monthly fees? Or do you add those manually?
16:36 jurov i did not do them yet
16:36 shinohai ah kk
16:40 mircea_popescu magic smoke!
16:41 jurov and apparently it's available in the US: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=SIMAX+glassware
16:41 jurov it's perhaps just brand blindness that borosilicate glass ==== pyrex
16:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494332 << such enforcement.
16:41 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 16:44 shinohai: There was local "law-enforcement" advisory in the area once, asking citizens to report suspicious buyers of old glassware at yard sales.
16:43 mircea_popescu jurov iirc it has an eukramic point, much like say carbon in steel. not just "some proportion", but a curve with some inflexion points.
16:44 jurov wut?
16:44 mircea_popescu jurov it's not just that it's "glass with borax in it", much like steel isn't just "iron with carbon in it"
16:45 mircea_popescu or if you mean the other thing, eu, good, krama, alloy. same linguistic principle as eutectic, (teksis = melting).
16:45 jurov SIMAX glass claims to comply to ISO 3585 standard for borosilicate glass,
16:45 jurov it's widely used here and I never heard it failed because of cold/heat
16:45 mircea_popescu a ok then.
16:45 jurov only mechanically broken
16:46 jurov so I think it's just some UStards latched on "pyrex" and are rightly milked by brand owner
16:46 asciilifeform at one point trademark at least strongly implied 'same thing your grandfather had'
16:46 asciilifeform today - not.
16:46 asciilifeform so: trust but verify.
16:47 asciilifeform spectroscope.
16:47 asciilifeform would put some fear of god back into the fuckers, if folks could test in 3sec.
16:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494354 << lol actually "The MiniChurch" is not all bad.
16:47 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 18:34 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494134 << there's always minigod, neh?
16:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no it wouldn't.
16:48 mircea_popescu folks can test in 3 seconds "social media" site of "their choice" is neither , nor secure.
16:48 mircea_popescu fear of god undetected.
16:48 asciilifeform that's a designated cow stall
16:48 asciilifeform not same thing.
16:48 asciilifeform everybody uses glass.
16:48 mircea_popescu speaking of folks, here's a handy visual to explain the concept http://66.media.tumblr.com/e04a4eb96aecadff52219a05575fd1a8/tumblr_ng9qc75iM91shqa8eo1_400.gif
16:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ahahah-HAHA!
16:49 mircea_popescu more women use king.com apps than any sort of glass vessel! 10:1!
16:49 asciilifeform dafuq is that, arse-mouth-system ?
16:49 jurov i dun see how spectroscope helps with "it-must-be-called-pyrex"
16:49 asciilifeform jurov: it helps with 'i walked in here to buy borosilicate kettle'
16:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that is a chick contorting herself in an insane position so her own urine dribble falls in her own mouth while some standing guy is also pissing in her mouth.
16:50 asciilifeform which is now ~unavailable in usa, except in antique stores
16:50 mircea_popescu this would be an accurate depiction of "folks".
16:50 jurov well, ask for 'borosilicate kettle acc. to ISO standard'. and get some degree burns and sue them and get rich
16:51 jurov :)
16:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i offer the knife whereby we cut them off, like defective siamese twin, from actual people.
16:51 mircea_popescu note how many of your knives run against glass.
16:51 asciilifeform there is always a correct knife.
16:51 asciilifeform it is a matter of finding it.
16:51 mircea_popescu thing about glass is - perfect material in low energy envelope.
16:51 mircea_popescu it's like forcefield made of god's own pee.
16:53 mircea_popescu so i posit to you that your problem is not even slightly a matter of "wrong knife", along the lines of, "if only i had hyfdrofluoric acid - could melt glass", but more of low energy. you wish to amass moar power not more knowledge, to dent teh pot.
16:53 mircea_popescu heresy, i know. but it's a square.
16:53 asciilifeform if you consider how one actually goes about cutting glass, it is an interesting analogy.
16:53 mircea_popescu yeah, not half bad.
16:54 asciilifeform at any rate, this is not simply a usaschwitz problem, if ANY of you buy chinese glass-anything, there ain't no boron in there.
16:54 mircea_popescu it's always a little disappointing when i hit the last lines of the logs ;/
16:55 asciilifeform dealing with bugmen begins with trust-but-verify.
16:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494360 << my bet would be that no, because easier :D
16:55 a111 Logged on 2016-07-01 18:48 hanbot: asciilifeform didja learn their variety speak? or figure it's a fluke (i thought theory was wrong demo)?
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17:47 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/since-what-you-do-all-day-is-jack-off-anyway/#comment-93555 << in other antique trilema lulz, check out what people didn't make a bitcoin for.
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18:24 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> borosilicate glass tubage of any diameter you wanted was ~40 cents per kg. << What about 8 meter borosilicate for Venusian culverts?
18:26 mircea_popescu lol
18:26 mircea_popescu nah, from 1/2mm to about 8cm iirc.
18:28 BingoBoingo So can't even make proper house to sewer pipe
18:28 asciilifeform from glass?!
18:28 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: On Venus!
18:42 mircea_popescu what do you eat that your shits are 8 m across ?!
18:47 asciilifeform trains?
18:54 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Zhx
18:54 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:56 jurov Qntra shares distributed.
19:10 shinohai ty jurov
19:14 jurov there seems to be some snag with coinbr or mpex, as every month recently, looking into it
19:15 shinohai It's mpex I believe, 404 here.
19:16 jurov http://mpex.site/ works
19:18 jurov deedbot: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160702/attachment.txt?sha1=bb9dab320ed2b6c070546085d4e673871180a6e9
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19:49 BingoBoingo Rule #97 Every MPEx proxy is always inaccessible from some point at some time
19:57 trinque jurov: teh command is $deed
19:58 trinque $deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160702/attachment.txt?sha1=bb9dab320ed2b6c070546085d4e673871180a6e9
19:58 deedbot accepted: 1
20:07 jurov trinque: thx
20:07 trinque yw
20:08 jurov shinohai: you can retry now, looks like the error was on my side
20:09 shinohai thx jurov.
20:12 shinohai It shows order went through manual but no receipt jurov
20:17 mircea_popescu sooo... cechens blew up ataturk airport huh
20:20 BingoBoingo If we try to cover all of these qntra is going to have to add a "weather" category for them
20:20 BingoBoingo But will consider doing so after cult meeting
20:20 mircea_popescu lol yeah, didn't mean for qntra. just mentioned it because it seems to me the "isis" figthers were ru special forces.
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20:21 BingoBoingo I dunno I'm thinking about a "weather" category nao
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20:54 mircea_popescu $up fiddlerwoaroof
20:54 deedbot fiddlerwoaroof voiced for 30 minutes.
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21:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494505 << is logic here 'the genuine article would Never!11' or what
21:22 a111 Logged on 2016-07-02 00:20 mircea_popescu: lol yeah, didn't mean for qntra. just mentioned it because it seems to me the "isis" figthers were ru special forces.
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21:56 mod6 The Most Serene Tabernacle || Tabernacle of La Serenissima
21:56 mod6 my 0.00000002
21:57 mod6 s/Tabernacle/Temple ? Anyway, just throwin it out there.
21:57 shinohai ^
21:57 shinohai also, here's how to enjoy cheap rum mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/GeHPuNb.jpg
21:59 mod6 cute freckles
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22:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, just the guy's private history. bulgaria wouldn't extradite him a few years ago ; before that was wounded in daghestan but survived etc.
23:00 mircea_popescu shinohai meh, crappy rum crappy girl an wtf is with those ties.
23:01 mircea_popescu inb4 shinohai is all "how dare you dis my wife OMG VENDETTA"
23:08 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html#6 << what all would be encompassed by 'networking'?
23:10 mircea_popescu you mean 7 ?
23:10 ben_vulpes fml
23:10 ben_vulpes yes
23:10 mircea_popescu it must be capable to open a socket i think.
23:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking of uci, ever consider generalizing luby's algo to ~calculation~ ?
23:13 mircea_popescu possibly.
23:13 ben_vulpes and per 'storage', be able to read from that socket and write bytes to disk, for example
23:13 mircea_popescu it's really a draft of a spec as it is.
23:13 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes read from and write to yes
23:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that would close the triangle
23:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it already takes carr of comms and storage...
23:14 asciilifeform *care
23:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform either that or homomorphic encryption
23:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it isn't enough
23:14 asciilifeform chaos is bigger adversary here than any others
23:15 asciilifeform you gotta somehow abstract over the 1024 chickens pulling in random directions and dying periodically.
23:15 mircea_popescu myeah.
23:15 mircea_popescu this is true.
23:18 ben_vulpes how would someone in the wot interact with the uci; operation by operation over irc? shoop a script in uciasm for execution and billing upon completion?
23:18 mircea_popescu anyway, feel free to propose refinements, ima edit it.
23:18 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i would expect there'd have to be a management language for this.
23:19 ben_vulpes i don't have a good enough model to propse anything yet, hence the questions
23:19 mircea_popescu ie, uci admin thing advertises what it does, gets an order.
23:19 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as i understand: by signing and broadcasting a message.
23:19 ben_vulpes "open socket to 127.0.0.1"
23:19 mircea_popescu it wouldn't necessarily be over irc, though irc IS rather resilient and we get the benefit of bootstrapping a major irc network if we bake it in
23:20 ben_vulpes "write 0xd3adb33f"
23:20 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ideally it'd be more like "run this bash script"
23:20 asciilifeform whether nodes obey would depend on who signed.
23:20 mircea_popescu then uci responds with "script ran, results os and so, paqy here"
23:21 mircea_popescu not entirely sure bash it is the right way here ; but it does cheaply (in cognitive terms) expose the system for usage. which is why ssh runs into a bash shell.
23:21 asciilifeform there are 2 basic angles to approach uci : the standard botnet model, which appears to be what mircea_popescu is thinking of, where nodes are individual boxes running specific program that does fairly straightforward thing,
23:21 asciilifeform and the other one.
23:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm thinking a "independent nodes" sort of botnet, as opposed to the zombie windowze thing usually run
23:23 asciilifeform where a node receives encrypted 'rubbish' and does ?????, and sends various rubbish back, and adversary would have to capture 67% of nodes to have any clue re what.
23:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the tor model is, other than its many implementation warts, fundamentally broken i think.
23:23 asciilifeform not thinking of it here
23:24 mircea_popescu anyway. uci is not gossipd. there is a good reason to implement gossipd OVER uci, but on the uci layer the thing shouldn't be concerned with this kind of security i don't thinl
23:24 asciilifeform this is in the homomorphic vein
23:24 mircea_popescu yeah but we don't have that cheat as of yet
23:26 ben_vulpes metered 'eval'
23:26 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: very easy to botch, note
23:26 asciilifeform (consider etherfartgas)
23:27 mircea_popescu even if you just run top and count ram/cpu it's close enough
23:27 asciilifeform nontrivial on toy os
23:28 ben_vulpes huh
23:29 mircea_popescu bear in mind, we're not selling investors on this. cheap, broken, angry sample to iterate on is jus' fine.
23:30 asciilifeform btw there was a trojan bearing 'tinyscheme'
23:30 ben_vulpes noxious as it is, linux containerization and 'docker' in particular might be a good foundation for a 'cheap, angry' prototype
23:30 asciilifeform worked kinda like this...
23:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ick, massive
23:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes too many lines of code
23:30 asciilifeform you need maybe 100kB max.
23:30 ben_vulpes but the fun of hurting them with their own tools
23:31 mircea_popescu they know more holes in "their own tools" than you do.
23:31 asciilifeform ^
23:31 mircea_popescu silk road hurt the shit out of itself with "their own tools"
23:31 ben_vulpes note, not seriously advocating use of docker.
23:31 mircea_popescu i think it's time to bury that corpse, it smells.
23:31 mircea_popescu no i know, it's not on you ; just, the matter has to be discuss't.
23:32 asciilifeform anyway something simple, like a mips emulator, fits in 200ln of c, and can execute N cycles permitting B bytes of storage, etc.
23:32 mircea_popescu more along these lines i'm thinking.
23:32 ben_vulpes notquite 'bash'
23:32 mircea_popescu ie, some sort of arm/embeddable os approach
23:32 mircea_popescu notquite, no.
23:33 asciilifeform beauty is,
23:33 asciilifeform you can buildroot for it...
23:33 mircea_popescu aha
23:33 asciilifeform bam, os, bash, whatever.
23:33 ben_vulpes hang on wut
23:33 ben_vulpes like i'm five?
23:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: victim ends up running something like a nintendo emu
23:34 asciilifeform but that has nic, disk, etc
23:34 ben_vulpes what does mean "bash, whatever"
23:34 asciilifeform if you emulate a cpu that gcc knows how to target,
23:34 ben_vulpes oh a buildroot that compiles a 'linux' to the nintendo emu arch?
23:35 asciilifeform you can build, e.g., linux, for it.
23:35 asciilifeform aha.
23:36 asciilifeform in 'idle' state, when the thing has no payload, it listens for a lubyfied turd signed with $key.
23:36 asciilifeform for years, if it has to.
23:36 asciilifeform when it pieces one together, and it passes sig - it runs.
23:36 ben_vulpes this'd be your proposed extension
23:36 asciilifeform for C cycles.
23:36 asciilifeform then stops.
23:36 asciilifeform and listens again, etc.
23:36 ben_vulpes where C is governed by?
23:37 mircea_popescu arbitrary set by box owner
23:37 mircea_popescu gordian solution to turing problem.
23:37 asciilifeform Min(box-c, turd-c)
23:37 ben_vulpes if the lubified turd came from the supervisor process C could come along with the 'script'
23:38 mircea_popescu script should prolly include a "needs C"
23:38 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it dun matter where it comes from, so long as valid sig
23:38 asciilifeform maybe it comes from shortwave picked up in soundcard hiss.
23:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if we do it like that will have to have expiration.
23:38 asciilifeform maybe on bbc.
23:38 mircea_popescu not the end of the world, 1700 business orders carried expiration.
23:39 asciilifeform at any rate, nothing precludes listening for new turd WHILE running current one.
23:40 ben_vulpes so then worker process would have to get involved in the billing loop?
23:40 phf so proposed solution is a subset of qemu with metering, etc?
23:40 mircea_popescu seems to be coallescing that way
23:40 asciilifeform phf: without the qemu crapola
23:41 asciilifeform emulate mips, or even oisc
23:41 phf well "qemu", a virtual machine of some sort
23:41 asciilifeform in that sense, yes
23:41 ben_vulpes i imagined that each installed worker process would listen for orders from only one key, which'd handle billing.
23:42 ben_vulpes or, read from tickets.
23:42 mircea_popescu at the other end of the spectrum, it can just be open bash and well, don't take code from people you don't trust.
23:42 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the key emplaced on install.
23:42 phf notch's DCPU-16
23:42 asciilifeform permanent.
23:42 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aok. then not 'any key in wot' and bill afterwards
23:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: open boxes are rubbish.
23:42 asciilifeform because syphilitic.
23:42 mircea_popescu in general yes. but wot-open is not open.
23:43 asciilifeform if you want wot-open, yer stuck with above algo.
23:43 asciilifeform and not ever 'just bash'
23:43 mircea_popescu anyway, this is a political choice mostly. if we do a "gentleman's agreement" and no code sorta thing, we end up strongly centralizing, army of lovers.
23:43 mircea_popescu if we do a "trust but verify" no agreement all code, we end up strongly decentralizing, but exposed to you know, thedao.
23:44 asciilifeform my understanding was that we are specifically protocolizing what was once customarily promise.
23:44 ben_vulpes what would 'no code' even mean?
23:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform -V
23:45 asciilifeform aha, as in v.
23:45 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that there's no specific check or test other than top | grep "ram" sorta thing.
23:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, -V means, be verbose. put your idea in explicit form.
23:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we aren't merely 'let's pool chumpnets between phriendz' here.
23:46 mircea_popescu why not ?
23:46 asciilifeform but rather mechanizing the process of harnessing chickens.
23:46 mircea_popescu i'm not saying that we are, but WHY NOT must be stated, and in such a way 107 iq guy in 2049 reading this understands exactly wtf.
23:47 mircea_popescu hence, -V.
23:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for one thing, traditional bot-herding is a misery in 1,001 ways: intensely platform-specific, suffers various central points of failure, etc
23:48 mircea_popescu yeah, the platform specificity is a bitch.
23:48 asciilifeform which is why you want TINY emulated thing.
23:48 mircea_popescu the whole point of uci is for there to be no more platform in that sense. course, this seems an unlikely goal.
23:48 asciilifeform quite easy to do actually.
23:49 asciilifeform the p2p control is the one tricky bit
23:49 phf so a virtual machine with constraints, "jump to here, run at most 100 ticks, claim at most 100 heap" that's generated for the target with target platform and control key baked in during generation
23:49 asciilifeform most chumps live behind nat.
23:49 asciilifeform we sorta went over this in the pogo threads.
23:50 asciilifeform phf: correct.
23:50 mircea_popescu HOWEVER, it will create, if successful, a ready way to resolve http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492111 and such problems.
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23:50 a111 Logged on 2016-06-28 15:09 asciilifeform: 'when DEC Alpha existed, did you motherfuckers buy?? no?? have fun'
23:50 phf then write your lisps or c compilers that would target the arch
23:50 asciilifeform aha.
23:50 mircea_popescu "is your dec alpha/toaster/bitcoin miner pluggable into uci ? cool, then it makes money. no ? it's broken fix it"
23:50 mircea_popescu main reason hardware is so centralizing today is exactly lack of this sort of marketplace,
23:50 mircea_popescu so it becomes "winner takes all" sorta tourney.
23:51 mircea_popescu fundamentally uci is a lateral pill for the hardware problem, oddly enough.
23:51 phf asciilifeform: that solution doesn't preclude fancy metering techniques, wot members own control hubs, talk to each other gossip style, and route tasks accordingly
23:52 asciilifeform you want a really small beast, that you can easily polymorph, stuff into roms, various appropriate places..
23:52 phf hmm
23:52 mircea_popescu i certainly see the argument re SMALL.
23:53 asciilifeform the one tricky bit is the crypto
23:53 mircea_popescu the one tricky bit is that other one tricky bit.
23:53 asciilifeform what key is baked into individual instance?
23:54 phf per vm aes pair
23:54 asciilifeform wtf is aes pair?!
23:55 phf a symmetric-key algorithm is my point, say aes, since i don't know any better
23:55 phf but own key for each vm to vm pairing
23:56 asciilifeform symmetric crypto other than otp dun exist.
23:57 asciilifeform we demonstrated this in... march?
23:58 asciilifeform and anyway you can't use symmetric key that could be pulled from the binary by adversary to any useful end.
23:59 phf you will have that problem with any form of crypto. if your binary is compromised it's compromised (ignoring fancy techniques of avoiding compromise)
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