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00:36 deedbot [Trilema] STFU, Attention Whore Culture. - http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/
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01:01 mod6 mircea_popescu: I've updated the tickets graph. The nodes are clickble now, and liednk to the htmlified tickets.html filon the server.
01:01 mod6 I've also got the graph going from L->R, i can't seem to get it to be less wide very easy. Anyway, let me know what you think:
01:02 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ticket_graph.html
01:02 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html
01:02 mod6 also, an updated ascii graph: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt
01:02 mod6 all comments are welcome.
01:03 mod6 On the otherhand, there isn't a legend yet. Green nodes = Saga tickes, Red nodes = Defect tickets.
01:03 mod6 So got a few things left.
01:06 mod6 Anyway, night!
01:06 BingoBoingo Related to the last trilema https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/1031992
01:15 mircea_popescu ok now that's pretty cool mod6
01:19 mircea_popescu "does not believe in doxxing" lost my interest.
01:25 BingoBoingo In other news Rodham-Clinton lost West Virginia to Sanders. Trump-Clinton won his contest.
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01:40 ben_vulpes https://github.com/znort987/blockparser << same znort?
01:43 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's gonna be so fucking lulzy when trump ends up at the white house and he does exactly what obama did. remember, the nigger was gonna be entirely 100% not like bush, and like close down guantanamo and get out of iraq etc ?
01:43 mircea_popescu read my lips : no scripts are new.
01:43 BingoBoingo lol
01:45 ben_vulpes man i hate the "legacy building" phase of presidencies
01:45 ben_vulpes someone tried to tell me obab did away with DADT
01:46 ben_vulpes nigga were you sleeping during third grade american civics? all he did is not veto it
01:50 * BingoBoingo imagines ben_vulpes president of cascadia spending his last year in office tearing apart everything he built during his term
~ 1 hours 5 minutes ~
02:55 ben_vulpes i can't really imagine "serving the people" in any way
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10:09 mircea_popescu "president of cascadia" and "serving the people" have very little overlap neh ?
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11:13 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
11:14 shinohai well
11:14 shinohai ;;ticker --market all
11:14 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.93, vol: 4446.17740376 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 449.273, vol: 6173.5524 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 453.11, vol: 9540.42070612 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 453.760512, vol: 22661.87470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 454.153, vol: 1711.23759927 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 455.96448, vol: 55.81575722 | Volume-weighted last average: 453.034732962
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12:02 ben_vulpes i suppose
12:04 ben_vulpes https://zedshaw.com/2015/07/26/turd-cookies/ << morning chuckles
12:08 deedbot [Trilema] Eulora Hall of Fame - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-hall-of-fame/
12:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: epic
12:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, even, i suspect, will like it.
12:10 mircea_popescu the who ?
12:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465648
12:11 a111 Logged on 2016-05-11 16:04 ben_vulpes: https://zedshaw.com/2015/07/26/turd-cookies/ << morning chuckles
12:11 mircea_popescu lmao
12:12 asciilifeform that there's the whole life story of opensores.
12:15 mircea_popescu pretty good write-up. who's the zedshaw guy ?
12:16 asciilifeform iirc, a programmer-humourist sort
12:16 ben_vulpes $google "rails is a ghetto"
12:16 deedbot https://www.reddit.com/user/RailsIsAGhetto << overview for RailsIsAGhetto | https://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/3jow6q/why_arent_there_any_online_ruby_courses_coursera/ << Why aren't there any online Ruby courses? Coursera, Edx, Udacity ... | https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/37yh7u/tired_of_feeling_unwelcome_by_not_being_from/ << Tired of feeling unwelcome by not being "from" Austin. : Austin
12:16 ben_vulpes i think at this point $google only serves to demonstrate how pathetically useless google is.
12:17 ben_vulpes http://web.archive.org/web/20080103072111/http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html
12:17 ben_vulpes programmer/humorist isn't bad
12:17 mircea_popescu yeah.
12:17 ben_vulpes mostly notable in my mind for not taking shit and dishing out solid cussings
12:18 mircea_popescu well if you know him tell him we like him nao ?
12:19 asciilifeform 'Before Mongrel I was building kick ass software for the NYC Dept. of Correction with a tiny team. We were doing innovative stuff like REST XML feeds of prisoner releases and RSS of prisoner transfers. It was fun, I was in charge, and things were pretty good.
12:19 asciilifeform ' << win
12:20 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i don't actually know him
12:21 mircea_popescu nah, he has better. "reading poetry is like explaining jokes, except the inane hipster is deeply attached to what he's doing"
12:21 asciilifeform 'The main Rails application that DHH created required restarting ~400 times/day. ' << he has to be joking, right ??
12:21 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: this is famous!
12:22 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: which this
12:22 ben_vulpes the constant restarts!
12:22 mircea_popescu alf the sheltered bee-dog.
12:23 asciilifeform what can i do, even my trb hasn't restarted since december
12:23 mircea_popescu see, and the dept of computer corrections tried to help you with your phuctor
12:24 asciilifeform l0lctor
12:24 trinque ben_vulpes: gawd, I remember that pain. setting resource limits that triggered a restart was just "how it's done" on rails
12:26 mircea_popescu "This defense of the personal in open source is so bad that twice I’ve had project leaders tell me strangely personal tragic shit about them to keep me from commenting publicly about their projects. "
12:26 mircea_popescu for the love of fuck already.
12:28 mircea_popescu https://zedshaw.com/2015/08/02/the-defense-of-the-personal/#comment-106 << "I’m absolutely fascinated by bitcoin. Both because it is so crazy that people are using it as money, and because of its technical details. If I had time I’d definitely investigate it further but for now I just observe and wonder."
12:29 mircea_popescu by now an early point when checking people is to... look on phuctor.
12:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform any chance i could get freeform grep for userstrings somewhere in there ?
12:33 mircea_popescu annoyingly enough, there's a half dozen keys for zed a shaw from 1998-2002 ; all 1kb, from arizona state onwards.
12:33 mircea_popescu the crypto war got so fucking lost for some reason... wtf happened in 2002 already.
12:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's wrong with curl .... | grep ... ?
12:34 mircea_popescu danielpbarron if you don't mind drop a note @lzsthw with a link here, tell him he can have 0.1 btc if he shows up.
12:34 asciilifeform recall, single-pages
12:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wanna search the whole db.
12:34 asciilifeform ah hm
12:34 mircea_popescu actually... consider giving someone with a bot sql access ? as per teh earlier discussions with this ?
12:34 asciilifeform sure
12:35 asciilifeform anyone in particular interested ?
12:35 mircea_popescu then i could $search phuctor "zed\|shaw"
12:35 asciilifeform trinque ?
12:35 ben_vulpes https://twitter.com/lzsthw/status/724416377704980484 << oh ffs why do people insist on buffers not ALWAYS REFLECTING THAT WHICH IS ON DISK?
12:36 asciilifeform dafuq is 'atom'
12:36 trinque asciilifeform: can do; drop me a gpg-gram with db info?
12:37 trinque I'll be leaving in about 30min, can hax this tomorrow
12:37 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: webkit 'editor'
12:37 asciilifeform trinque: this will take some preparation
12:37 asciilifeform trinque: i have literally no provisions for it atm
12:37 ben_vulpes because you need 300mb of browser to edit text files
12:37 trinque asciilifeform: whenever is cool by me
12:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: that sounds miserable
12:38 ben_vulpes no no
12:38 ben_vulpes /slack/ is miserable
12:38 ben_vulpes it fires up a new webkit foe every team
12:38 ben_vulpes 'team'
12:38 ben_vulpes yup this chat app is eating > 4G of ram rn
12:39 trinque I refuse to use that thing through anything other than the IRC gateway
12:39 mircea_popescu trinque tomorrow's lovely.
12:39 ben_vulpes trinque: yeah i should try that again
12:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i got to see what 'slack' was at rupturefarms.
12:45 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465688 << done.
12:45 a111 Logged on 2016-05-11 16:34 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron if you don't mind drop a note @lzsthw with a link here, tell him he can have 0.1 btc if he shows up.
12:46 mircea_popescu ty
12:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/322 << sooo precious
12:56 davout re zed shaw https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/688513650341072898
12:59 davout i enjoyed his "learn C the hard way" and tried to pay him some btc for it a good while ago, didn't really catch as far as i remember
12:59 ben_vulpes he is by my read "an old man"
12:59 ben_vulpes has his wot, lives in its bubble.
13:00 davout imho his bubble isn't too far from sanity
13:01 asciilifeform typical. e.g., taleb. and we, to him, are indistinguishable from cosmic background noise, because 'where were you lot when we conquered the west in covered wagons, aha?'
13:02 asciilifeform davout: that is not the picture i get from your link
13:03 davout i can see why
13:08 davout guy apparently relied on his wot for an educated opinion, looks like it failed him
13:12 mircea_popescu hey mod6 if you have time today to hold my hand with your T, ima move the whole "hey x plox y" thing over.
13:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "You think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy by giving this country to them who's had no hand in fighting for it ? Why? Because they come off the boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup?" http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york/
13:13 mircea_popescu tis on trilema. so there!
13:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, that west
13:14 mircea_popescu anyway. the society of intelligent folk is entirely optional for other intelligent folk. he doesn't HAVE to. he may, if he wants to, s'all.
13:14 asciilifeform naturally.
13:15 mircea_popescu and as to the "o no, it was us in 2004"... link or it didn't happen.
13:15 mircea_popescu for that money, i discovered america in 864, except i forgot to tell anyone at the time
13:15 asciilifeform it's the usual 'we did this and it was boring, move along'
13:15 deedbot [Qntra] Ransomware Industry Tightening Product Quality - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ransomware-industry-tightening-product-quality/
13:16 mircea_popescu somehow wot:nonperson has a hard time getting out of this mindset where he may actually contribute politically.
13:16 mircea_popescu nobody fucking asks the cows what they thing about ethics, ie, "what's best" or such.
13:16 mircea_popescu somehow they think they may propose judgements of value. it boggles the mind.
13:16 BingoBoingo It's alright, he discovered white folk in 1792
13:17 mircea_popescu who the fuck is "octskyward" anyway ?
13:17 BingoBoingo Hearnia
13:17 mircea_popescu lol mkay.
13:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "seems legit based on what my contacts have confirmed", ie, lew rockwell stupidity all over again.
13:18 asciilifeform or taleb, or, ... etc.
13:18 asciilifeform there is a common pattern, as ben_vulpes observed
13:18 asciilifeform in the smart folx who don't show up.
13:18 mircea_popescu im kinda curious what he thinks his "contacts" are.
13:19 mircea_popescu i'm of course none to pleased that intel virgins use intel terms of art as if that somehow makes them experienced, much in the way obnoxious 17yo prisses talk about things.
13:19 asciilifeform good chances it's 100% people who know of bitcoin from 'forbes'.
13:19 mircea_popescu da fuck, every dude with a twitter and a github has "contacts" nao ? what is this, casablanca for the masses ?
13:20 mircea_popescu and he trusts but verifies his contacts through a well oiled process of...
13:20 mircea_popescu anyway.
13:20 BingoBoingo Perhaps his contaxt is Kumala from Vircures
13:20 BingoBoingo *Vircurex
13:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... of reading same issue of 'forbes' !1111 of course.
13:20 asciilifeform what if they misread!
13:21 mircea_popescu talking of historical "contacts" (ie, derps accidentally caught in bitcoin historically), i'm still kinda curious re obsi. i suspect was a rather fuckable chick.
13:21 asciilifeform who..?
13:21 mircea_popescu obsi, ran this independent ponzi on glbse
13:21 asciilifeform from whence comes the suspicion that it was a chick?
13:22 mircea_popescu style, mostly.
13:22 asciilifeform hm now i'm curious
13:22 asciilifeform what that means.
13:23 * asciilifeform always regarded the notion as crackpottery, that one could tell
13:24 ben_vulpes 'rather fuckable' pulled my right eyebrow clear up to my hairline
13:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm pretty sure one can tell.
13:25 mircea_popescu at least tell enough to know where to look further.
13:25 mircea_popescu oddly i dun see anything in logs, though i'm pretty sure was chatting in chan at some point in 2012ish
13:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is this one of those 'can't be taught or described' magic juices ?
13:26 mircea_popescu yeah.
13:27 mircea_popescu can be taught, i'm sure.
13:28 BingoBoingo In other news it looks like Ver barred himself from the US again. Put a "casino" on his webshite nao. Claims Curaçao license.
13:31 mircea_popescu Sep 02 20:38:38 * Obsi (~Obsi@unaffiliated/obsi) has joined #bitcoin-assets << there
13:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'again' ? i thought he was perma-banned
13:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, he was at some conference in USia within the last 4 months or so.
13:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wasn't he formally drummed out ?
13:32 BingoBoingo Ban wasn't as perma as previously thought
13:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: or is that no longer a thing (as i and many others predicted)
13:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: He renounced his citizenship and made a fuss over not getting a visa once
13:33 asciilifeform one imho interesting quirk of international convention is that most countries will not 'count' your renunciation if you don't have a spare citizenship somewhere else
13:34 asciilifeform idea being that 'stateless' folk are 'victims' with 'rights' and you can't simply get that status artificially on own free will
13:34 asciilifeform or something.
13:34 mircea_popescu heh.
13:34 * asciilifeform for instance could 'renounce' 10 times every morning before breakfast and nobody would give a shit
13:35 mircea_popescu similarly courts won't count emancipation unless you're actually prepared to be a state.
13:35 mircea_popescu i mean an adult.
13:35 asciilifeform lel
13:35 mircea_popescu what ? family law, state law, same deal./
13:35 asciilifeform approx. aha
13:35 mircea_popescu the whole "nationality" thing means "where do we dump this fuck to be rid of him".
13:36 asciilifeform there were, at one point, designated junkyards for this
13:36 asciilifeform e.g., shanghai before '45 or so
13:37 asciilifeform (no passports, come as you are, etc)
13:37 mircea_popescu siberia, for that matter, australia, the us before that...
13:37 asciilifeform well yeah but most recently.
13:37 asciilifeform last one to close, afaik.
13:39 mircea_popescu nah, eastern yurp, africa even today...
13:39 mircea_popescu syria, ukraina, etc.
13:39 asciilifeform which eastern eu
13:39 asciilifeform when i went to ro i had to get 2 different stamps
13:39 mircea_popescu early 90s, they'd just dump whores/gypsies around the danube.
13:39 asciilifeform natoified east eur is not the same as the old orc lands
13:40 asciilifeform and i'd rather make landfall in antarctica than africa. but that's quite a personal preference.
13:41 mircea_popescu as a guy you'll be fine.
13:41 asciilifeform since when does tsetse fly care whether guy or not
13:42 mircea_popescu eh. you have the strange ideas of a petit bourgeois that never went past rouen.
13:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu explored africa ?
13:43 mircea_popescu what's next, the gators are gun getcha in the wash dc swamp ?
13:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform on horseback!
13:43 asciilifeform eh that wasn't real africa
13:43 mircea_popescu who could have predicted this answer.
13:43 mircea_popescu they don't dump you in meta-africa, yo.
13:43 asciilifeform well presumably you can't just walk into egypt or za
13:44 asciilifeform thread was about control-less ports
13:44 mircea_popescu with the flow of immigrants they've been dumping tons around the southern shores yes.
13:44 mircea_popescu thread wasn't about bug acting on its own, thread was about "designated junkyards for this".
13:44 asciilifeform ah hm
13:45 asciilifeform in my eye going as part of a migrant wave is 'cheating' but.. sure.
13:45 * asciilifeform is lone bug and thinks as such
13:45 mircea_popescu bug doesn't swarm because stupid ; bug swarms because at its size and so on, that's the only schelling point.
13:45 asciilifeform no doubt.
13:46 mircea_popescu much like how women don't collectivize because stupid ; they collectivize because if you ain't got upper body strength, the shewail is all that's left.
13:46 asciilifeform but realize, what's next, 'you didn't need passport to go to ru' 'when?' 'oh i went with wehrmacht in '41'
13:46 mircea_popescu quite so.
13:46 BingoBoingo lol https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-May/012652.html
13:46 mircea_popescu being part of a sovereign that doesn't recognize others ; and has the tank divisions, means that you don't need "passports".
13:51 asciilifeform 'hk agreement' ?!
13:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you're gonna read random garbage, plox provide summaries. i'm not going to follow "bitcoin-dev" bullshit.
13:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: safe to skip, it's rubbish
13:52 mircea_popescu kthen
13:52 asciilifeform summary: todd steals mircea_popescu's idea of 'let's change pow to kill miners'
13:52 asciilifeform except that he does it in derp concert and therefore uninterestingly
13:53 mircea_popescu who could have predicted this development.
13:53 mircea_popescu last night while i was probing a butt with my own probiscus outdoors, a butterfly landed on it, and probed it with his own. prolly because sweat's so yummy to butterflies.
13:54 asciilifeform l0l!
13:54 mircea_popescu ergo, random lepidoptera stole my fuck.
13:54 asciilifeform speaking of this,
13:54 mircea_popescu nevertheless, no fucks given.
13:54 asciilifeform didja ever get the ovipositor tool thing ?
13:54 mircea_popescu nah.
13:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu uses the real thing strictly!1111
13:55 mircea_popescu these things... they have lengthy gestation periods.
13:55 mircea_popescu discussed as a joke at first with horrified girls, maybe eventually edged towards but not as a rule. what's the rush and what's the drive anyway.
13:56 asciilifeform outdoors << neato. i envy - it's been raining for ~3 wks nearly straight here.
13:57 mircea_popescu very nice pleasant warm autumn in Булучеало.
13:57 asciilifeform lel! mircea_popescu renamed his castle mircea_popescustein ?!
13:58 mircea_popescu no lol. why ?
13:58 asciilifeform well, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465848
13:58 a111 Logged on 2016-05-11 17:57 mircea_popescu: very nice pleasant warm autumn in Булучеало.
13:59 mircea_popescu it's buluk-ayres, what do you want from me.
14:02 asciilifeform l0lk
14:07 mircea_popescu and of course the mayor's gonna be the başi-buzuk of buluk-ayres.
14:08 mircea_popescu actually başıbozuk, but anyway.
14:08 * asciilifeform falls down.
14:09 asciilifeform briefly revisiting ben_vulpes's mega-link,
14:09 mircea_popescu hopefully a guy by the name Bursuc (badger, ro) gets the job,
14:09 asciilifeform 'Here’s a bit of background on me: My education is in business. I have a BS in MIS and almost finished my MS but ran out of money. I’ve got more business education than most of the MBAs out there, and I have a nearly formal education in software development, modeling, statistical analysis, and sociology. I’ve done it all, but what does the slick talking shit head car sales MBA loser think I am
14:09 asciilifeform ? Just a code monkey.'
14:09 asciilifeform ^ this is why i have not ever touched wwwtronics and will not
14:09 mircea_popescu so then i can have over for dinner The Right Hon Mr. Bursuc, başıbozuk of Булучеало.
14:10 asciilifeform башибузук!
14:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: bursuc ... < барсук to us. and funnily enough his fat is sold in every ru store in usa, it appears
14:11 asciilifeform i still have nfi what it is used for
14:21 mircea_popescu $google grasime de bursuc
14:21 deedbot http://www.publi24.ro/anunturi/diverse/anunt/grasime-de-bursuc-viezure/7b0d617f7f6f6151.html << grasime de bursuc (viezure) Sucevita - Diverse - Publi24.ro | https://lupuldacicblogg.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/cu-untura-de-bursuc-am-scapat-de-bronsita-cronica-dar-mi-a-scazut-si-colesterolul/comment-page-1/ << Cu untura de bursuc am scăpat de bronşita cronică, dar mi-a scăzut şi | http://olx.ro/oferta/untura-de-bursuc-originala-IDJIC.html << Untura de bursu
14:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's wunderdiet thing
14:22 mircea_popescu except from 1700
14:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://www.pgpru.com/forum/prakticheskajabezopasnostj/nevidimajashifrovanieurovnjapgpnafleshke?show_comments=1&p=3#Comment44886 << gold, if you have the stomach
14:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform explain "this". that it's the sad beach where every drop-out, burn-out, shithead who fails to understand that "running out of money" means you fail, that dropping out means you fail ends up shipwrecked on ? a sort of africa of the spirit, where you find they born of slave mothers and too weak, useless and unimportant to leave ; and they borne by free women who were too weak, useless and outright dumb to hold the
14:25 mircea_popescu ir station ?
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14:51 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> 'hk agreement' ?! << Miner cartel formalization, pretty sure on qntra
14:51 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> summary: todd steals mircea_popescu's idea of 'let's change pow to kill miners' << No, more "lets prevent further optimizations from counting to cement current miner cartel"
14:53 mircea_popescu wait, i thought "modern science" established that mp hallucinated miner cartel.
14:56 BingoBoingo Well, yes because you hallucinated it several months after they signed the papers
14:56 mircea_popescu ah ah, right, right.
15:00 BingoBoingo Because of that doesn't count
15:02 BingoBoingo But basically thing that keeps current asics but prevents better asics is on power ranger hard fork wish lizt because of treaty.
15:11 asciilifeform the 'better asics' thing is claptrap
15:11 asciilifeform what, 3% boost.
15:12 mircea_popescu the whole thing is claptrap.
15:15 mircea_popescu in other news : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-11.log.html#t19:10:15 yet another valid business model pops up in eulora
15:16 mircea_popescu (you could, in principle, build craft result actuarial tables just like you build resource mining maps or w/e ; then you can sell insurance in the complex sort of fx deals crafters need to provision their materials.)
15:20 j-dawg can be crafting result substituted by money?
15:21 mircea_popescu in a functional market at least.
15:28 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> what, 3% boost. << If the margins for running them are <3 then win if work
15:32 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that particular angle smacks of someone playing risk. o really, "they won ww2" ? herp.
15:32 mircea_popescu if only there was a way to sell their genius to patton for roubles or somesuch, they could have bought the whole russian stock exchange back before it was worth anything.
15:33 mircea_popescu fwiw, young males that aren't entirely dumb go almost universally through this phase of "fantasy busienss" where they keep doing various coups in their heads, start a carwash then buy a shoestore with the proceeds then trade that in for a chain fo restaurants etc etc etc.
15:33 mircea_popescu it's a harmless thing for 14yos to engage in, and the basis of things like business tycoon games, a large chunk of what drives lego etc.
15:34 mircea_popescu problem being by now it's the principal intellectual activity of esl adults, risibly enough.
15:34 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that particular angle smacks of someone playing risk. o really, "they won ww2" ? herp. << What do you think they think they are playing?
15:34 mircea_popescu myeah.
15:35 BingoBoingo What does reality have to do with Amherst?
15:36 mircea_popescu $google "regele pe cind mergea cu calul la pas, o castana hahaha i-a cazut in cap"
15:36 deedbot No results.
15:36 mircea_popescu awwww.
15:36 mircea_popescu well anyway, it's from (ro) version of alice in wonderland. chestnut falls on king's head.
15:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which'd be the problem - that they don't move past it ?
15:37 mircea_popescu myeah.
15:37 asciilifeform well traditionally the place ~TO~ which one moved, from it, was peasanthood
15:37 asciilifeform as in, 'no you will never buy a chain of restaurant, plow the field and make babies'
15:37 mircea_popescu mno, usually mandatory military service.
15:38 asciilifeform well yes, above is for the ones who didn't feed the cannon
15:38 mircea_popescu "intellectual" schmuck, fu.
15:39 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2einZLyjKmc <<< i had those vinyls!
15:39 asciilifeform at any rate ~temporary~ soldiering is quite a modern thing - old ru conscription was for 25y...
15:40 mircea_popescu the roman version was pretty reasonable, about the same term then get land and an orc girl for a slave.
15:41 asciilifeform yeah but had to bring own gear.
15:41 mircea_popescu nah.
15:41 asciilifeform that'd depend on which rome we're even thinking of, neh?
15:42 mircea_popescu well the rome where term was ~29 years and they got land at the outskirts and a local slavegirl was post marian reform.
15:42 asciilifeform hm.
15:42 asciilifeform back to the modern derps, i conjecture that there is nothing for them to move on TO
15:43 asciilifeform (other than biodiesel reactor tank)
15:43 mircea_popescu and so there isn't.
15:43 asciilifeform well normally the problem is discussed in terms of 'lazy fuckers won't move'
15:43 mircea_popescu so they won't.
15:44 asciilifeform but they know they ought to. and 'sleep of reason breeds monsters' etc.
15:44 mircea_popescu aha.
~ 22 minutes ~
16:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mega-american ben franklin wrote, iirc, 'most folks are dead by 25 but many aren't buried until 75'
16:07 asciilifeform i think this is what he was thinking of.
16:07 asciilifeform see also mircea_popescu's mega-article re how his father didn't properly grasp that his purpose was to be eaten, etc.
16:09 asciilifeform imho death comes not when one begins to feed worms (satan knows, half the planet is feeding worms while motherfucking alive and walking)
16:09 asciilifeform but when you fully grasp that 'i won't be napoleon' or whatever.
~ 22 minutes ~
16:31 asciilifeform in other lulz,
16:31 asciilifeform https://eprint.iacr.org/2012/585.pdf
16:32 asciilifeform 'On Provably Secure Code-based Signature and Signcryption
16:32 asciilifeform Scheme'
16:32 asciilifeform 'No Author Given' 'No Institute Given'
16:36 asciilifeform more vintage lulz,
16:36 asciilifeform https://konklone.com/post/the-door-to-the-fisa-court
16:37 asciilifeform ^ the lock is the mandatory usg lock, see logz where i described it in agonizing detail
16:37 asciilifeform (you can buy it, even, on ebay, and for some reason the maker saw it fit to sand off the ic tops, implying that there is something to be gained from reversing...)
~ 44 minutes ~
17:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform possibru.
17:29 mircea_popescu but anyway, yes, this is for some reason hardest for males, the simple disjunction "this one is special ; i am not special. it is my place in this world to be sacrificed for him.". it comes more naturally to mothers somehow.
17:30 mircea_popescu though considering the time the same males spend playing "trading card games" and derived stuff where the levelling happens through SACRIFICING motherfucking other cards... you'd think it'd light up already.
17:30 asciilifeform there is also 'selection bias'
17:30 asciilifeform folks who properly grasp 'i am not special' tend to eat pistol
17:30 asciilifeform and we do not hear from them.
17:31 mircea_popescu eh, really.
17:31 mircea_popescu what, can only be actor if leading man ? can't be supporting cast ? says so on statue of self ?
17:31 asciilifeform aha. forgoing the nagant is quite a presumptious thing. 'i have somethng more to say in the world!1111'
17:32 mircea_popescu why can't it just be "there's people with theorems to prove still ; and their cocks won't suck themselves" ?
17:32 asciilifeform it can be
17:32 asciilifeform if you're a gurl
17:33 asciilifeform they got this in firmware.
17:33 mircea_popescu i think it's pretty universal.
17:33 mircea_popescu if you look at how the firmware works, only difference between boys and girls is ONE! Y chromosome.
17:34 mircea_popescu can't be girls have MORE than boys in firmware.
17:34 asciilifeform #ifdef's.
17:34 asciilifeform (srsly)
17:34 mircea_popescu mebbe.
17:35 mircea_popescu imo this entire "can only play if the game's about me" is very much retardo-puritan nonsense, of the same ilk as "everything's a technologee and i shall better my lyf".
17:36 asciilifeform speaking of which, ( asciilifeform is winding up last week in rupturefarms, is there still) i met for i think first time a... 'trans' folk (he? she? zhe?)
17:36 asciilifeform (they hired one)
17:36 asciilifeform $up fromphuctor
17:36 deedbot fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
17:36 fromphuctor what is your opinion on this ? https://letsencrypt.org/
17:37 fromphuctor Let’s Encrypt is a new Certificate Authority: It’s free, automated, and open.
17:37 mircea_popescu fromphuctor you know what the wot is ?
17:37 asciilifeform fromphuctor: ssl/tls (and all pki systems of whatever form) is rubbish.
17:37 asciilifeform i have no idea why this is not obvious to all.
17:37 fromphuctor what is wot ?
17:38 mircea_popescu $google "What the WoT is, how it works and how to use it"
17:38 BingoBoingo Either Web Of Trust or Weird Old Trains
17:38 deedbot No results.
17:38 mircea_popescu world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?!
17:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: don't foreget tanks
17:38 asciilifeform ah mircea_popescu beat me to it.
17:38 mircea_popescu fromphuctor http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ < there.
17:42 BingoBoingo https://i.sli.mg/qUOYKa.png
17:43 fromphuctor read
17:44 mircea_popescu so then fromphuctor : the dudes that made that aren't in the wot ; consequently, it's a scam.
17:44 fromphuctor yes, but if they are giving away certs is because they want people to use theirs instead of others
17:45 fromphuctor from CA maybe outside USA ?
17:45 mircea_popescu or because certs are exactly worthless anyway.
17:46 asciilifeform fromphuctor: is it so hard to grasp that the very ~concept~ of a ca is broken ?
17:46 asciilifeform why would you agree to use a system with master keys ?
17:46 mircea_popescu well possibly it's his first time among sane people, so he never heard of this before.
17:47 fromphuctor hopefully u should trust your browser... so u should trust the CA it supports, and so the browser support cert signed by the CA supported by the browser
17:48 asciilifeform fromphuctor: and if i don't ?
17:48 mircea_popescu i never trusted a browser.
17:49 mircea_popescu besides, the web is something that happens in curl, not a browser.
17:49 fromphuctor good luck in developing a browser !
17:49 mircea_popescu the road ahead is long, and full of surprises.
17:52 fromphuctor still how do u defend yourself from MitM attacks without a signede cert ?
17:53 davout $down fromphuctor
17:53 mircea_popescu eh let's indulge
17:53 mircea_popescu $up fromphuctor
17:53 deedbot fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
17:54 mircea_popescu fromphuctor we use rsa over http. https is about as useful/functional as tor.
17:54 davout guess coming from phuctor grants a few bonus points eh
17:54 mircea_popescu look at mpex for instance ; or at deedbot etc.
17:54 fromphuctor do u think US NIST is pushing ECC instead of RSA because they cannot crack RSA ?
17:55 mircea_popescu davout it's just that [to my parser] he's managed to merely ask questions, without veering into the normative nonsense.
17:55 mircea_popescu fromphuctor yeah ; this has actually been discussed in the logs.
17:55 asciilifeform yesterday, even.
17:55 mircea_popescu ironically, they're now seeing themselves forced to migrate back to rsa ; because ecc shit is weak.
17:55 mircea_popescu the whole ecc push may go down in history as one of the finest moments of "being too smart for one's own good" lulz.
17:56 fromphuctor ideally people should just move to 4k keys, no ?
17:56 fromphuctor (rsa keys i mean)
17:57 mircea_popescu yes.
17:58 asciilifeform and no particular reason why not 8.
17:58 mircea_popescu "no less than 4".
17:58 davout asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-10#1465482 <<< google translate's fucking unreadable
17:58 a111 Logged on 2016-05-10 18:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ecc lulz: https://www.pgpru.com/novosti/2012/mojapoezdkavdwavepotustoronumjasnogosendvicha?show_comments=1&p=6#Comment93883
17:59 mircea_popescu fromphuctor do you understand how deeds/deedbot work ?
17:59 fromphuctor not yet
17:59 fromphuctor i used to use IRC in the 90s
17:59 mircea_popescu lemme help you out. see here : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464966
17:59 a111 Logged on 2016-05-08 23:43 hanbot: deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_closure.txt.asc
17:59 davout i've always been intrigued about this republican of ECC, is it because of something with the discrete logarithm problem underlying math i don't understand, or is it because of the particular way ECC crypto was developed?
18:00 davout *republican dislike
18:00 mircea_popescu she passed to the bot a command, which contains a http bit of text. the bot took it and made it a deed ; here : http://deedbot.org/
18:00 mircea_popescu how did it protect itself from mitm ?
18:00 mircea_popescu davout there are two lobes to this problem./
18:00 asciilifeform davout: it isn't about the mathematics per se (though it is quite considerably trickier than rsa and this is ipso facto an evil)
18:01 asciilifeform davout: it is about who pushed it, how, with what fud (e.g., false claims of 'bits of security' and of equivalence thereof to rsa, etc)
18:01 mircea_popescu one is that the mp excomunicated it, perhaps on the basis of not liking how it's being sold, perhaps because he reads the secret documents, who knows.
18:01 mircea_popescu the other lobe is that when buying snake oil ; buy the cheapest. ecc is undully complicated.
18:01 davout aha
18:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform obv has his own list ; in the end it's one of those where people agreed with conclusions each for his own reason set i guess.
18:04 mircea_popescu (and yes crypto is snake oil atm ; for reasons expounded upon by alf an' others).
18:04 fromphuctor mircea, is deedbot giving away bitcoins ?!
18:04 mircea_popescu yeah.
18:05 mircea_popescu it's teh tmsr official faucet.
18:06 fromphuctor why ?
18:07 mircea_popescu offers third party deed verification.
18:07 mircea_popescu also encourages individual study ; and sane individuals generally.
18:08 fromphuctor http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/tmsr ?
18:09 mircea_popescu tmsr, aka b,tmsr~ and la serenissima. The Most Serene Republic, worldwide ultimate sovereign.
18:10 fromphuctor ok, i leave, i have many things to read now :)
18:10 mircea_popescu later.
18:19 shinohai Faucet? lol
18:21 mircea_popescu well yeah
~ 44 minutes ~
19:05 davout https://bitbet.us/bet/1259/lottery-block-412055-to-yield-an-even-number/ <<< wtf
19:07 davout i fail to see how this kind of proposition makes any sense in a "pari mutuel" context
19:08 davout a dumb bot could place wagers on this kind of stuff
19:09 BingoBoingo Maybe that it how they plan to profit?
19:09 BingoBoingo HouseBot
~ 28 minutes ~
19:38 mircea_popescu davout iirc bitbet tried it once, for curiosity. i guess they weren't watching along back then
~ 17 minutes ~
19:56 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 if you have time today to hold my hand with your T, ima move the whole "hey x plox y" thing over. << hi! i should be available in a few hours for sure.
~ 21 minutes ~
20:17 mod6 ok actually, around pretty much for the rest of the night.
~ 32 minutes ~
20:50 shinohai mircea_popescu: do we wish to preserve http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/best_of_mpoe-pr in new wiki ?
20:57 mircea_popescu mod6 aite i'll see if i can stand up.
20:57 mircea_popescu shinohai i guess so. prolly shouldn't delete much unless it's actually wrong.
20:59 mircea_popescu and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2cf489cec7e1e5c79b02f9c53a1e8306/tumblr_n63cqhLGz81sdl3kwo1_250.gif
20:59 shinohai mkay
21:00 shinohai Are those chopsticks on her tongue?
21:00 mircea_popescu aha
21:00 shinohai Creative.
~ 16 minutes ~
21:16 mod6 nn
21:16 mod6 *nb
21:17 mod6 how's it goin Mr. P.? How can I help.
~ 15 minutes ~
21:32 mircea_popescu mod6 so how do i create a ticket ?
21:34 mod6 you can just `./t.pl tickets.txt add` and it'll prompt you from the cli.
21:35 mircea_popescu and then how would you see it ?
21:35 mod6 i may add new ways to do this in the not too distant future. either via bot, or perhaps by just like piping in the info in from the cli.
21:35 mod6 when you're done adding/editing or deleteing a ticket, just print them if you wish `./t.pl tickets.txt p`
21:36 mod6 or if you know the id number, do `./t.pl tickets.txt pid <TICKET_ID>`
21:36 mircea_popescu mod6 how about if there was a ticket bot ; and we had a website, a la deedbot.org, where tickets could be seen ; and we had acess control based on pgp, so that either world, lordship, or specified people can see a particular ticket set ?
21:37 mircea_popescu so everyone who wants shit done by, say, btcbase, can put tickets in btcbase rather than put them here and hope they won't be forgotten in the log.
21:38 mircea_popescu and then whoever's maintaining the thing, can read through em, when working on it.
21:38 mod6 sounds great to me. i was just talking about stripping down atcbot and reusing the skeleton to build a bot for this.
21:39 mod6 trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf?
21:39 mircea_popescu truth is by now i'm not even sure exactly how many distinct projects we're managing, but it's over a dozen, and will only keep growing. gotta import some management tools into all this, casual worked long enough
21:39 mod6 for sure.
21:39 mircea_popescu mod6 honestly having another bot would be very good for resiliency in my eyes.
21:39 mod6 cool. i'll make that the next step. getting it to be botified.
21:40 mircea_popescu however, a major point of collaboration imo, would be if everyone who runs bots (ie, deedbot, yours putatively, etc) ALSO keep logs, and provide phf with passive redundancy
21:40 mircea_popescu rather than him having to make logger bots *m
21:40 mircea_popescu you'd have to give him sql access to a log db.
21:41 mod6 i guess it seems reasonable.
21:42 mod6 so, make 'tbot' for instance. then allow people to create tickets under whatever project they want.
21:42 mod6 as long as they're in the wot.
21:42 mircea_popescu the pgp permissioning being perhaps the trickiest part of it all. but ideally iut'd work like
21:43 mod6 yeah, that part will be a huge pain.
21:43 mircea_popescu $tbot btcbase wot would result in a dump of the ticketlist for btcbase encrypted to my key that's of level world and level wot.
21:43 mod6 well, maybe not huge, but yeah, most painful.
21:43 mircea_popescu whereas $bot deedbot me would result in a dump of ticketlist for deedbot encrypted to my key that's of level world and wot and me.
21:44 mod6 aha. gotcha
21:44 mircea_popescu and i should be able to add tickets in the same sense, either public or wot or specified persons by encrypting it to bot's key.
21:45 mircea_popescu all this make sense in your head ?
21:45 mod6 conceptually.
21:45 mircea_popescu well alright then
21:45 mod6 not sure how i'd do the encrypting part and keep it sec with minimal cost.
21:45 mod6 where minimal ~0.
21:45 mod6 anyway, i think it's some thing i can work up to.
21:46 mircea_popescu yeah. that's the iffiest part.
21:47 mod6 i do like this idea though.
21:48 mircea_popescu truth be told, even without permissioning it'd be pretty useful. that's more like a sort of you know, experimental wunderwaffen division, why not ask for things, see what happens.
21:48 mod6 now.. deedbot might have the infrastructure already in place to make this easier.
21:48 mod6 yeah, exactly.
21:49 mod6 i think it's a fine idea, Sir.
21:49 mircea_popescu quite possibly, see what trinque says. running two bots does not necessarily mean one must write two bots.
21:49 shinohai heh mod6 this is too awesum :D
21:49 mircea_popescu totally going that way huh shinohai
21:50 mod6 :]
21:50 shinohai Absolutely one of the most useful tools in Bitcoinspace hands down
21:51 mod6 there really are so many things going on, and many more to come, we gotta be able to track this stuff.
21:51 * mircea_popescu recalls the humble beginnings when we came up with the nutty idea of having a bot do voicing in chan. that was never going to work.
21:51 mircea_popescu coupla years later...
21:51 mod6 truth
21:51 mircea_popescu it totally did not work what can i say.
21:51 mod6 haha
21:52 mod6 thanks for your input here, i think it takes a simple idea and scales it up nice.
21:52 shinohai I've been lurking here almost a year now, good things happen here that just do not happen elsewhere.
21:54 mod6 'tis the difference between a republic that people want to be a part of and want to work, and an ad-hoc gaggle of people "doing stuff"
21:54 shinohai "We're just ideaz guyz"
21:55 shinohai Yup, I registered on May 25, 2015 ... how time flies. I thank you all for the knowledge I have gained in said time.
21:56 mod6 Thank *you* for your hardwork!
21:57 shinohai np, no good thing comes without hard work and trials
21:57 mod6 "A republic, if you can keep it"
21:58 mod6 where ``keep it'' invoves doing the hard, useful things that need doing.
22:06 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2016 <<< congrats to asciilifeform for most lines posted yesterday LOL
22:14 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/247510B.txt << don't die of laughter.
22:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
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